Community Forums => General Chat => Topic started by: shingi_70 on September 30, 2014, 08:11:54 PM
Title: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
Post by: shingi_70 on September 30, 2014, 08:11:54 PM
So the next version of Windows just got announced today being Windows 10. (http://az648995.vo.msecnd.net/win/2014/09/Windows_Product_Family_9-30-Event-741x416.png)
Today's reveal was just for enterprise user's and the consumer facing Reveal showing off the full gambit will be ready for next year's build and the OS will release in the middle of next year.
Here's the main blog post http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2014/09/30/announcing-windows-10/
and i'll be updating the OP with more information.
It seems that Windows Phone is now just Windows and will be running Windows 10, and the Xbox One will be getting the update in the middle of next year as well.
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Post by: Adrock on September 30, 2014, 08:21:38 PM
Microsoft skips Windows 9 and goes straight to 10. This is the same company that went from 360 to One. At least they're going forward this time. That's progress.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 30, 2014, 08:30:28 PM
There is no Xbox One in that lineup.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 30, 2014, 08:38:03 PM
There's no Xbone in the picture (or mention of one), but if you look at the screen above the Kinect, it's covered in Xbox games and apps (Ori, NFL Now, Minecraft, Forza Horizon 2...). Sounds cool, and is a much better idea than the concept release of Windows 8/8.1. Same OS, different UI depending on the device.
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Post by: Ceric on September 30, 2014, 08:41:55 PM
Skipping to 10 is just to distance from 8. Which I have a feeling those people where part of the readjustment for Microsoft. I can't believe with all there research might they ended up with how 8 worked. Basic testing would have told you that you couldn't make a general UI for all devices.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 30, 2014, 08:43:56 PM
The farthest screen to the right with the Kinect under it is the xbox one. If you zoom into the screen you see an Xbox Avatar, the new iconography for user icons, as well as tiles for Forza Horizon 2, Minecraft, and Ori and the Blind forest.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 30, 2014, 08:47:38 PM
Doh, I guess that is their representation. Speaking of which, didn't they say at one time the Kinect was coming to other platforms like the PC?
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 30, 2014, 08:55:09 PM
Kinect 2.0 is out for windows I believe. There was also some internal trails of Kinect embedded into laptops but that never went anywhere.
This is what Windows 8 should have been, I blame Steven Sinofsky for taking to get this long. Its funny that even though early previews of this are getting praise this is still every OS in One just it conforms smartly to each form factor and doesn't feel like everything is being held together by tape. One big issue that they will have to change is updating all the iconography alongside the streamlined UI.
My tech upgrades will be ready around the time this launches so i'll be interested to see the state of Windows vs Android by next year. It seems that Google themselves has given up on Native chromebook development in Lieu for porting Android apps to the platform. I hope the surface/nokia team actually puts out more hardware than mobile, and puts out some quality Laptop and desktops.
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Post by: nickmitch on September 30, 2014, 11:06:45 PM
Xbox One was Windows 9
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Post by: King of Twitch on October 01, 2014, 02:10:40 PM
Did 7 ate 9? ahahaha
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 01, 2014, 02:26:43 PM
Xbone is not running Windows 9, it, for the most part runs a stripped down version of Windows 8.
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 01, 2014, 05:38:52 PM
The joke is that Windows alternates between good versions and shitty ones. ME was terrible, XP as good, Vista sucked, 7 was good, 8 was garbage, etc. So is MS just skipping the good release (ie: Windows 9) and jumping straight into another shitty one? Considering that those screenshots show the same tablet focused Metro crap that no one that does any real work on a PC likes I'm guessing they are.
Microsoft, you're the business/games OS guys while Apple are the tablet/artist/non-techie OS guys. There's nothing wrong with that. Being the de facto choice for every business in the first world is exactly WHY you're so damn rich in the first place. Screwing up your OS to go after the tablet market is never going to work because that market loves Apple and Apple does a really good job catering to it. All you're going to do is piss off your existing customerbase and thus the only thing keeping them with you is a lack of a quality competing product. That shows up and you're fucked so stick with your longterm customers and don't neglect them in favour of a different market that someone else already has locked up. What's wrong with making lots of money from a specific audience? Why does every big company care more about who isn't buying their product than who is? Do bra companies have meetings discussing how to target the male demographic?
You figure the backlash about Windows 8 and the failure of the Windows Phone and even the Xbox target demo's outright rejection of a mandatory Kinect purchase would clue them in. Nope let's just keep with the same plan as if everything worked out like we're Square Enix or something.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 01, 2014, 05:42:49 PM
So Apple's about to release the tenth revision of their tenth operating system, and Microsoft just skips 9 to get right to 10. It's like calling their second console the 360 to not sound outdated compared to the PS3.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 01, 2014, 06:41:04 PM
To be fair, Microsoft was simply a little over ambitious with Windows 8 and 8.1 - they tried to do too much with too little, and too little with too much. Also, having everything run Windows 10 should help them streamline everything, and will probably cause a significant rise in Windows tablets and Windows phone (no longer with a capital P) sales. I imagine Windows 10 on a phone will require some major horsepower, but by the middle of next year, and especially since Microsoft (Nokia) and HTC are basically the only hardware players, this shouldn't be an issue.
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 01, 2014, 07:07:09 PM
So Apple's about to release the tenth revision of their tenth operating system, and Microsoft just skips 9 to get right to 10. It's like calling their second console the 360 to not sound outdated compared to the PS3.
And then they go from 360 to 1. So the dumb people you needed to fool with the 360 > 3 routine are not going to think 4 > 1 and pick a PS4? It all sounds like it's coming from the same number-obsessed weirdo but the logic isn't even consistent. Oh wait logical thinking is required to perform math correctly. Ha! Now I see what's going on here.
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Post by: Triforce Hermit on October 01, 2014, 07:12:23 PM
It appears to be more Windows 8 ****. Unless I am convinced otherwise, Windows 10 is dead to me.
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Post by: pokepal148 on October 01, 2014, 07:19:56 PM
1, 360, one, 98, 7, 8, 10,
See, we can count.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on October 01, 2014, 10:45:36 PM
At least they aren't calling it New Windows.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 01, 2014, 10:48:18 PM
That's the one after this, which will then be followed by Windows 9.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 01, 2014, 11:02:35 PM
What will die first, the home Windows PC or the handheld gaming console?
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Post by: Shaymin on October 01, 2014, 11:21:30 PM
Vinyl records.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 01, 2014, 11:39:01 PM
Joan Rivers.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 01, 2014, 11:39:09 PM
Rivers Phoenix.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 01, 2014, 11:39:25 PM
Phoenix (Jean Grey).
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 01, 2014, 11:39:53 PM
Grey's Anatomy.
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Post by: pokepal148 on October 02, 2014, 12:00:44 AM
Guys? Vista's a number right? Guys?
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Post by: Stogi on October 08, 2014, 12:14:19 AM
So from that picture, it looks like they put all those bullshit tiles in the start menu. Am I seeing this right?
I'm glad their out of the way if this is true, but what is the point of having them at all?
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Post by: Spak-Spang on October 08, 2014, 12:36:13 AM
They are still live tiles that animate, update, and change when you see them. Now you just have to open the Start Menu to get them.
I think the idea was to make finding your programs easier with the Start Menu and tiles...but also still use the tiles to let people get more information before opening the program. If I can see I have no new E-mails in the start menu, I don't have to open the program up anymore. It solved my problem.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 10, 2014, 01:07:10 AM
Played with Windows 10 at work today.
All Programs under start menu are all called apps. Computer, Control Panel, and Device and Printers are tucked away Charms bar is gone, but it mentioned it in settings. Log off and shut down are at the top of the start menu instead of the bottom Looks like you can turn the Start Screen back on. All the Win 8 apps are in Windows now.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 16, 2014, 01:04:10 PM
Microsoft just announced that Build 2015 will be from April 29th-May 1st. We should be getting the Windows 10 consumer preview as well as getting our first look at Windows Phone 10 and the Xbox Win 10 build, plus probably the next wave of lumia and surface.
The first gen Microsoft smart watch should be launched very soon. It was supposed to be a few months ago, but it was assumed that it was delayed yo laucnh with windows ten.
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Post by: Ceric on October 20, 2014, 03:11:10 PM
I've been waiting for this for a very long time. There is barely any information and if Microsoft really wants to get into this sector unlike some of the others they have something to prove.
In a way this will be one of the big things that will determine whether I'll stay Windows Phone or not. I love Windows Phone but extra tech has passed it by.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 20, 2014, 06:01:06 PM
I remember hearing a bit about it last june was that it was going to have a ton of sensors to jump into the market with a focus on fitness like Apple is doing, which is smart. The biggest disappointment about Android Wear is how lackluster and half assed the fitness components seems to be. Microsoft seems to be in a pretty good postion to make a decent fitness platform since they have the MSN health and Fitness apps and the Kinect stuff on xbox.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 20, 2014, 06:17:37 PM
You hold the MS watch up to your Kinect, which reads the time and sends it to your phone.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 22, 2014, 10:28:40 AM
Windows 10 tech preview just got its first preview which added the notification center, data sense, and battery saver features from windows phone. http://m.windowscentral.com/new-windows-10-preview-build-adds-data-sense-and-battery-saver-features
The November Xbox One update adds themes via achievement pictures and photo uploading. Also the Microsoft garage tech just released a one game that's an RTS that uses the controller and voice.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 29, 2014, 11:35:24 PM
Here's the video of the previously mentioend November Xbox Update, also Xbox preview members recived codes to the Evolve Alpha. I happen to have two with my internet being out which sucks.
The Microsoft Band and Microsoft Health are launching thursday for $199. I may skip a Wii U and get this for Christmas since it seems to be what I want in a smartwatch in look and function. It's just so low key
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Post by: Ceric on October 30, 2014, 11:38:36 AM
Mine is purchased and because I didn't want to wait till Monday I have 1 night shipping. I better see it tomorrow.
I also got the 1 year accident warranty. Good price for it and I know how I beat up watches.
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Post by: Ceric on October 30, 2014, 12:26:37 PM
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 30, 2014, 12:53:47 PM
Was "xp" a number, I like letter numbers!
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Post by: Ceric on October 30, 2014, 01:44:37 PM
If they allow for customizations I'm sure it won't take long for someone to do the joke watch face.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 30, 2014, 03:16:46 PM
Nice, post impressions once you got it.
I have to wonder if the whole paying with your watch will catch on the way that companies want it too.
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Post by: Ceric on October 30, 2014, 04:09:22 PM
I don't know. Interestingly enough I don't think NFC is part of the Microsoft Band.
*looks at spec*
Yep it isn't.
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Post by: Stogi on October 30, 2014, 09:33:05 PM
A band? Jeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzus.
Yet another example of a company that understands the current consumer but not the future one.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 30, 2014, 11:02:26 PM
What's the future watches? Its a band because Like a fitbit its mainly for fitness.
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Post by: Stogi on October 31, 2014, 04:46:17 AM
I'm glad you asked, and I'll tell you.
As "cool" as wearables are, it's not unreasonable to see a counter-culture against them and devices in general. We already use a lot of digital products and we may not hate it now, but at some point it may be too much. It may push us to rethink why we use these things in the first place. Are our lives really any better with this latest product? This doesn't even factor in privacy concerns and it's growing. People are more concerned than ever about what they share and how companies use (and sell) their information. Simply put, it'll become creepy. There's too much of your information being tracked and putting a bracelet on that is clearly owned by a big company would look (and probably feel) like subjugation. And tracking non-essential data isn't a good enough reason to wear one.
And in those parameters, other than niche products for the fit and the wild, hardly anything will survive. The apple watch? It may be bought by quite a few people, but it certainly won't be "hip". People will have a very tough time explaining their purchase to others, a terrible sign for any product, and it will be the quickest fad yet. Mark my words and hold them against me if I'm wrong. But until someone makes something worth wearing, something so inconspicuous yet vital to our everyday lives, nothing will be universally adopted. Why? Because it's not worth it.
Now I know I have yet to give you a complete answer, but there's one more thing I'd like to discuss before I do.
Your phone is becoming more and more the most important piece of equipment you have. Give it time, and unless you are doing high-end computation, it will become the only device you'll need and everything else will be shells of themselves with a dock for your phone and a battery inside. And because it's so important, losing it or damaging it when doing trivial things will not only become annoying but will make you question if it's important enough to take with you. And of course it is, it's your phone. It's your point of contact, your point of reference. It's too useful for any given situation, be it leisurely or emergency.
So I've set up two scenarios here. One is wearables doing nothing a phone can't do or doing something only a niche would use. And the other is needing to take your phone everywhere. The obvious solutions are making a wearable that doesn't do what your phone does and will never do, and making an indestructible phone. I have yet to see anything wearable that a phone could never do other than in niche categories, and have yet to see an indestructible phone that is as sleek and has the same functionality as a smartphone.
Companies have decide to focus on health. That's where the money is. What they haven't considered though, is that unless they dive into the depth of the field, from blood levels to air quality, the general population will not care. Don't get me wrong. The health industry is a huge market, raking in billions of dollars each year. What I am saying is that simply tracking someone's heart rate or steps isn't going to become the next iPod. But if you did dive into the depth and made a wearable that tracked truly meaningful data, even providing daily blood tests, and it could be kept private even from the inventor (with an option to share), that would certainly be a solution. Actually, that would be incredible. Could you imagine a world where everyone monitored their health in real-time? Not just superficial data, but consequential data? The implications would be huge. Even if people didn't share their information, with a bit of education it would save millions if not billions of lives. I would buy that. I would buy two, so I never had to take the damn thing off. But sadly, that's not what companies are doing today. The most I've seen is glucose monitoring systems for diabetics.
On the other side of the spectrum is the indestructible phone and no company in their right mind would make one. First of all, it'll be expensive to make, secondly it'll be unwieldy, and even if they get it right and it's a beautiful piece of human engineering, no one will buy another phone unless it becomes utterly obsolete. So the best we're ever going to get is a case that provides the protection, none of which are perfect and most are unsightly or mess with functionality. So what I propose as a solution to this dilemma and to the hotly anticipated and already crowded wearable market and the technological field as a whole is .... a phone. Yes, a phone but hear me out.
This phone would be a companion to your main phone, but could work completely independent of it. It can pretty much do what your phone can, but worse. Put it in a tiny (something like THIS (http://i.imgur.com/umdadtk.jpg)) form factor that's water-proof, floats, and can take a beating and you've got a device that people would use all the time. Just like how the tablet sounded stupid until you used one, this little phone will make you hate how much you love it. It'll be a pain to use any web interface including social media, but it will make calls and take pictures and video just fine. You can load it up with music or stream it. You can message your friends, but better make it short as you'll have trouble reading what you're typing...better yet, just call them. And pulling up directions is no problem and neither is exchanging info as NFC is a long press away.
Now there are some flaws with the idea, mainly is it even possible to have two phones under the same number? But other than that, the companion phone would alleviate a problem you didn't think existed. Best of all, this idea won't take advantage of a problem until phones really do become so powerful they replace laptops for the average consumer; when your phone ceases to become a phone and instead becomes your mobile processor; the linchpin of your productivity.
Just to be clear, I'm not proposing a "dumbphone". As much as I love those phones, this is not it. They do not sync with your smartphone and therefore ruin the whole point. This companion is what you take out when you need your phone but don't want to risk taking your main phone out. And you will think of the risk when you continue to use your main phone for more and more important tasks. So next time you're about to head out for a hike or out to a party, don't take your phone, take this shitty, little piece of awesomeness instead and stay connected.
You may think this idea is absurd but companies are banking on people buying modern day pagers.
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Post by: Stogi on October 31, 2014, 05:22:04 AM
Reading this over and I knew I forgot to mention something.
After reading this some of you might think, "Well why not just make the main phone tiny?" The answer is: the market won't allow it. These past 7 years (has it only been that long?) the market has been playing with the size of phones and has just now got it right. The iphone 6 is the perfect sized phone. Not too big, not too small. If you want bigger, there's plenty bigger for consuming media live movies or netflix or drawing, but ask anyone going from a perfect-sized phone (about 5 1/2") or bigger to even what was an extremely popular phone like the iphone 4 or even the 3g and you'll see them notice just how tiny that screen is in comparison. So a tiny screen would never fly. It's too important to make small and the market won't allow it.
But for a phone companion, the size of the screen doesn't matter. You won't be wasting your time looking at it anyways. What's important is the connectivity, and you'll have it. Furthermore, it beats out watches and bands because calling is something watches and bands could never do unless they can detach because no one wants their conversations heard and talking into your wrist looks ridiculous for everyone except a secret service agent and Inspector gadget. Sure it can't track your fitness, but who cares. If you really care about your fitness, you'd already be wearing something. And this is the phone you'd take on a run anyways, since you can't lug around a real phone the tight pants anyways.
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Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2014, 09:09:07 AM
I'll be honest I read enough of your posts and enough of that post to get the gist of what your saying.
For me this is a watch. Plain and simple. I haven't had a watch in years simply because I couldn't justify having a time only device. Time just isn't that important to me. I be looking at the neat time pieces that do tons of stuff. That gets me here. I love statistics on myself and teasing out patterns. If I could have my full genetic code and have every statistic about me in a real time and historic feed I would. This stuff interests me. This is as close as I'll currently get.
I think in the distant future when we finally perfect screen projection and get use to the lack of touch feedback that something akin to the Microsoft Band will be the norm since we won't need to tablet and phone model we have today. Sci-Fi has been predicting that is where we won't to go for almost the life of the genre. Yes in the future the Desktop PC as we know it will not be what it is.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on October 31, 2014, 11:51:47 AM
I wear watches, I am obsessed with time pieces so these things have an appeal to me on that merit alone. But I also enjoy making old tech useful and this does that too. I don't see a counter-culture where people rebel against technology if that were going to happen it would have by now, the world depends on these things now, even people who need then for self comfort their device has become a part of their identity there is no taking that away now, not without a blood revolution which is not too far fetched but far less desirable than just not caring what statistics they are sharing on you, if your not breaking the law and not doing anything your embarrassed by why do you care if they track you or not? Is it a privacy issue? Are you embarrassed someone might see you go into a comic book shop or something? Are you a secret cross-dresser and are scared this might out you? What is the concern I don't get it so what if they can track you and what you buy thats always been a part of marketing and consumerism and people have accepted that decades ago, the internet just makes is more obvious and if Facebook and Google can get away with all the so-called spying they do, nothing is going to shake up this culture. We collectively shrugged off the you-know-what deal that should have brought this whole thing to it's knees and instead we just went about our business like oh well that sucks but what can you do about it. Without a bloody revolution the masses are not going to give up their comfortable lives no matter what.
The only people who actually do have something to worry about are the criminals and those who just are too paranoid to accept they never had privacy to begin with.
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Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2014, 01:00:36 PM
... The only people who actually do have something to worry about are the criminals and those who just are too paranoid to accept they never had privacy to begin with.
That's a very generational statement. Not that its bad but anyone older then me you be hard press to hear them say that.
Anyways, just had a stern conversation with Microsoft Store Support about the meaning of Overnight delivery is. They still haven't shipped my Microsoft Band. It obviously won't be here today. I paid for it to be here today. I could have gotten 2 day shipping for free. Now I have to call them back when I do get a tracking number so that I can get my $16 back.
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Post by: Stogi on October 31, 2014, 02:55:10 PM
I'll be honest I read enough of your posts and enough of that post to get the gist of what your saying.
For me this is a watch. Plain and simple. I haven't had a watch in years simply because I couldn't justify having a time only device. Time just isn't that important to me. I be looking at the neat time pieces that do tons of stuff. That gets me here. I love statistics on myself and teasing out patterns. If I could have my full genetic code and have every statistic about me in a real time and historic feed I would. This stuff interests me. This is as close as I'll currently get.
I think in the distant future when we finally perfect screen projection and get use to the lack of touch feedback that something akin to the Microsoft Band will be the norm since we won't need to tablet and phone model we have today. Sci-Fi has been predicting that is where we won't to go for almost the life of the genre. Yes in the future the Desktop PC as we know it will not be what it is.
If you just want a timepiece, then more power to you. I still carry around a pocket watch. The vast population aren't like us though. They could careless about timepieces, especially the younger generation. But I see your point, if you're going to wear a watch, might as well wear something with some functionality.
As for having your phone on your wrist and projecting it on a surface, that will never happen for two reasons: one, privacy, two, unsatisfactory conditions. I could see a phone being on your wrist, but even then you'd still want it to detach from your wrist so you could hold it to your ear (unless you're okay with wearing an earpiece).
If we are talking about the far distant future, something like "Her" would be my guess. A.I. would allow you to rarely look at a screen until you need one. And guess what? It's in your pocket, not on your wrist.
I wear watches, I am obsessed with time pieces so these things have an appeal to me on that merit alone. But I also enjoy making old tech useful and this does that too. I don't see a counter-culture where people rebel against technology if that were going to happen it would have by now, the world depends on these things now, even people who need then for self comfort their device has become a part of their identity there is no taking that away now, not without a blood revolution which is not too far fetched but far less desirable than just not caring what statistics they are sharing on you, if your not breaking the law and not doing anything your embarrassed by why do you care if they track you or not? Is it a privacy issue? Are you embarrassed someone might see you go into a comic book shop or something? Are you a secret cross-dresser and are scared this might out you? What is the concern I don't get it so what if they can track you and what you buy thats always been a part of marketing and consumerism and people have accepted that decades ago, the internet just makes is more obvious and if Facebook and Google can get away with all the so-called spying they do, nothing is going to shake up this culture. We collectively shrugged off the you-know-what deal that should have brought this whole thing to it's knees and instead we just went about our business like oh well that sucks but what can you do about it. Without a bloody revolution the masses are not going to give up their comfortable lives no matter what.
The only people who actually do have something to worry about are the criminals and those who just are too paranoid to accept they never had privacy to begin with.
If you read a little farther, you would see that I concede the need to carry your phone. It's the second part of my premise.
That said, privacy is a real concern and people do not need to be a part of illegal activities to be concerned. And the only reason we put up with it now is because we like the functionality (or don't like terrorists, but that's another discussion). But if the ratio between how beneficial a new technology is vs my lack of privacy ever grows too small, we would have serious issues. It would certainly become creepy.
And I'll summarize what I said since you didn't read it (which is fine, it was the longest post I've written in a while). What are manufacturer's like Apple and Google asking you to do? Their asking you to put a phone in your pocket, a screen on your wrist, and a camera on your face. If you don't think that sounds like subjugation of the masses, you may be right...for now.
If you want to carry a phone and use your watch to check your messages and reply with a smiley face, or speak into your device like inspector gadget (and I mean that in a loving way), then more power to you. But I see the majority of people still needing to whip out their phone to send a reply. And in that sense, I would deem it a pretty useless device, especially when you have to have your phone to connect. It's a shortcut to your phone that tracks your heart. A pager that you wear on your wrist. But if you're cool with that, then don't let me stop you. Every man has a right to decide his own destiny.
The product that I foresee catching on with the masses is a phone companion. And the difference between it and a watch is that it can stand alone. It can make calls, text, shoot videos, take pictures, and pull up and grab information. It's essentially a phone, but tinier. And you would use it whenever you'd like to sacrifice a large screen for durability and size.
If you have an Apple TV remote, I implore you to pick it up and try using it as a phone. Doesn't it feel like the perfect size to talk on the phone with? Don't you kinda wish your phone was that size. That's all I'm getting at. There's no way a phone will be smaller than an iphone 6 anymore, unless it's collapsible. So as a main phone, you couldn't get away with manufacturing an Apple TV remote-sized phone to compete against the Samsungs of the world. You'd die. But as a companion to that phone, you could potentially tap into a market that hadn't existed.
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Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2014, 03:07:43 PM
Stogi,
Not projecting on a Surface. Projecting as a screen in the air. They did it on Agents of Shield if memory serves. At that point Jewelry style arrangements make sense as the projection source.
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Post by: Stogi on October 31, 2014, 03:15:15 PM
In the air still lacks privacy though. Could you imagine people in a crowded train talking on the phone?
I could see something like contacts for your eye that allow you to see who you're talking to in private, but popping out in the air...especially for a show that is about military confidentiality is ridiculous.
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Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2014, 03:18:55 PM
Its the same as what you currently do.
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Post by: Stogi on October 31, 2014, 04:13:03 PM
What do we normally do?
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Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2014, 04:45:08 PM
Looking at a screen in public.
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Post by: Stogi on October 31, 2014, 06:52:14 PM
I haven't seen Agents of shield, but I assume you would be able to see the person in the pop up from any angle?
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on October 31, 2014, 10:07:46 PM
I actually did read your entire post, so I resent the idea that I didn't, I just shared my thoughts on the matter, especially those that differed from what you said, the gist was, people have already accepted the loss of privacy but that wasn't even my concern really. I just don't think the market for these is as limited as you made it out and was presenting a picture of a different type of consumer than the one you described to illustrate that point. If it was just Apple making these things I would say yeah its an unknown market but everyone is rushing to get into this and even Nintendo has announced their own weird roundabout way of half assing their way into a small portion of this new craze.
All I was saying is I am excited for the new watches because I wear watches and have been saddened that they had been on the decline so I was excited for a new watch that the young people could get excited for to keep watches cool, which was mostly all I was saying everything else was just babbling.
In my honest opinion I think this is more than a fad, my reasoning is simple perhaps flawed but its all I have to go on at the moment as this is basically uncharted territory. My reasoning this is more than a fad is it transcendes the young people who drive the adoption of new technologies and the super tech savvy. While I am a techie at heart, I spend my money very selectively these days and I am super excited for this new technology and so has been everyone I have talked to, therefore my reasoning is if other people my age who are less interested in technology are at least talking about it and not in a negative fashion that indicates to me there is something going on more than just the latest fad the young people are all buzzing about. Again flawed reasoning but this is uncharted territory and so its hard to make an argument either way how it will go. Also I typically try to be optimistic about new technologies that I am actively excited for because it gives me hope others will too, although the masses do not always go the way I want.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 31, 2014, 10:26:41 PM
I don't think wearables are ever going to be even anywhere near as ubiquitous as smartphones, but I think they're more than a fad.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on November 02, 2014, 12:39:27 AM
... The only people who actually do have something to worry about are the criminals and those who just are too paranoid to accept they never had privacy to begin with.
That's a very generational statement. Not that its bad but anyone older then me you be hard press to hear them say that.
I am curious how old are you then? I am 32 and I feel that way mostly out of fatigue trying to keep my **** private from Google I lost all hope when you know who broke his you know what a year or so ago. Of course With all the credit cards getting hacked I think people might start waking up but I doubt it, sounds like they will just turn to this new Apple Wallet type stuff which I imaging will integrate into these smart watches too eventually right?
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Post by: Ceric on November 03, 2014, 10:55:36 AM
... The only people who actually do have something to worry about are the criminals and those who just are too paranoid to accept they never had privacy to begin with.
That's a very generational statement. Not that its bad but anyone older then me you be hard press to hear them say that.
I am curious how old are you then? I am 32 and I feel that way mostly out of fatigue trying to keep my **** private from Google I lost all hope when you know who broke his you know what a year or so ago. Of course With all the credit cards getting hacked I think people might start waking up but I doubt it, sounds like they will just turn to this new Apple Wallet type stuff which I imaging will integrate into these smart watches too eventually right?
We're the same age.
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Post by: Ceric on November 03, 2014, 10:57:28 AM
So the saga continues. Overnight so far is meaning 2 business days later now. Not only is my Microsoft Band not coming in today. It has yet to be picked up by UPS. Honestly at this rate I be better off trying to have my wife pick me up one this weekend when she is in Knoxville.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 09, 2015, 07:27:38 PM
So the January 21st event should be interesting, it seems that Windows 10 is really shaking up what Windows looks like and is what Windows 8 should have been. (https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/TozpzbxQwGchZcjHSN1VIdvhE0U=/1020x0/cdn3.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2548640/windows1099013_1020.0.jpg) (https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Ytpddakkjd79JCTQ8KUziXdOxoU=/1020x0/cdn3.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2548644/windows1099015_1020.0.jpg) (https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/QydT5EfTnq2BET5bGLjYNgYFC7M=/1020x0/cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2548636/windows1099014_1020.0.jpg)
The newest screenshots of the new Spartan Browser show the new UI even more. (http://www.windowscentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/styles/large/public/field/image/2015/01/spartan-browser-leak.jpg)
The new Broswer sounds pretty nice and Internet Explorer has already been good since around IE nine. Spartan will have
-A new user interface -Extenstions similar to chrome -share and reading modes -Cortana Integration -Anoonation features that sync to One note.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 10, 2015, 04:29:33 PM
I really need a new laptop and a new desktop. I will probably end up getting one in a month or so and the other down the road but I am hoping Windows 10 launches this year so I can upgrade shortly after or decide if I should just hold off.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 11, 2015, 09:26:55 AM
Download VMWare and install the preview version on it.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 21, 2015, 11:29:22 PM
So thoughts on the Windows 10 event.
The new look of Windows 10 on the desktop.
-Cortana is coming to Windows on Desktop and Xbox One
-New Universal apps that work on all the Windows 10 platforms. Today they showed off a few of them like Onedrive, Office, Maps, and Xbox music.
-Music upload to onedrive like google music is due in the next two weeks.
-Spartan Browser is the Internet Explorer replacement for Windows 10. It has reading list, extensions, annotation, and cortana features. (http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/19268/microsoft-windows-10-live-verge-_0893.jpg)
Windows Phone is now just windows 10 and looks pretty good. (http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/19270/microsoft-windows-10-live-verge-_0907.jpg)
-Battletoads all but confirmed for the Xbox One.
--Xbox App for Windows 10
-Game DVR 30 second record that and 30 minutes DVR features work for all games on PC regardless of xbox live functions.
-Fable Legends is coming to windows 10 with cross platform support for the Xbox One.
-Streaming Xbox one games to your PC.
-Surcae Hub a 84 inch surface monitor aimed at enterprise and university.
-Holo-lens the AR headset.
-The next big events are
Mobile World Congress in early march. Its where were going to get Windows Phone flagship announced. GDC where we get more on gaming and direct X Build 2015 - the next Major windows ecosystem event and ls microsoft's WWDC google io event. E3 - the big one for gaing.
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Post by: Ceric on January 22, 2015, 10:20:54 AM
Holo-lens is actually pretty neat and I think the direction that AR really should go. Not being tethered to something is Huge.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 22, 2015, 10:34:47 AM
No mention that Win10 is a free upgrade to all legit win 7, 8, and 8.1 users who upgrade in the first year of release?
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Post by: Ceric on January 22, 2015, 10:59:03 AM
No mention that Win10 is a free upgrade to all legit win 7, 8, and 8.1 users who upgrade in the first year of release?
The wording on that was terrible. A lot of people thought they meant that Windows 10 was free for the first year and then you have to pay for a subscription...
Also the Music from Onedrive will be pretty cool because I have all the Assets we used for NFR for the ones that I edited up there.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 22, 2015, 02:54:13 PM
so if I upgrade to Windows 10 when it releases its free is that what you are saying?
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Post by: Ceric on January 22, 2015, 03:09:25 PM
Operating system Windows Phone 8.1 with Lumia Denim HERE location services Free global HERE Maps and HERE Drive+Free HERE Transit available in the Store Display 5” HD (1280×720, 16:9) IPS LCD, 294 PPI, Glance screen Corning Gorilla Glass 3 Sunlight readability enhancements Battery 2500 mAh battery Processor 1.2 GHz quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 processor Main camera 8 MP AF, LED Flash, Lumia Camera 5 Front facing camera 1 MP FF Memory 8GB + 30GB free OneDrive, micro SD up to 128GB Dimensions 141.3 x 72.2 x 8.85 mm 144 g
and than the Lumia 640 XL which will be coming to ATT in America.
Operating system Windows Phone 8.1 with Lumia Denim HERE location services Free global HERE Maps and HERE Drive+Free HERE Transit available in the Store Display 5.7” HD (1280×720, 16:9) IPS, 259 PPI, ClearBlack, Glance Screen, Corning Gorilla Glass 3 Sunlight readability enhancements Battery 3000 mAh battery Processor 1.2 GHz quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 processor Main camera 13 MP AF, ZEISS optics, Lumia Camera Front facing camera 5 MP wide angle FF Memory 8GB + 30GB free OneDrive, micro SD up to 128GB Dimensions 157.9 x 81.5 x 9 mm 171g
I'll probably grab the 640 to replace my aging Nexus 4 and to hold me over until the W10 flagship phones launch.
Microsoft also showed off more of the Universal apps platform at the conference and expanded upon it with a blog post. http://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2015/03/02/a-first-look-at-the-windows-10-universal-app-platform/
The next Windows 10 preview update will be adding Spartan browser so i'll be looking forward to playing with that.
Some stuff from the Xbox front.
Last eek Microsoft announced that Fable Legends for ONE/PC ould be a free to play game and use a method similar to Killer Instinct and League of Legends. The character selection rotates out a free selection and you can outright buy those that you want.
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How much will Fable Legends cost?
Fable Legends will be free-to-play on Windows 10 PCs and free-to-play with Gold on Xbox One. This means you’ll be able to download the game on either system and play through it beginning-to-end without having to spend any money.*
Why have you decided to make Fable Legends Free to Play?
We want to open the exciting world of Fable to more players, and we see free-to-play as a great way of doing that.
Are all of the quests and storylines also free?
Absolutely! The story can be played beginning-to-end for free.
Are the Heroes free?
There will always be a set of Heroes available to play for free. The Heroes on free rotation will be available for everyone to play for a set period of time.
How will Hero rotation work?
A set of Heroes will be available to play for free for a limited time, after which a new set of Heroes will take their place. This gives you the chance to play every Hero in the game for free over time, and any progress made on a Hero will be kept until they come back into rotation.
If you want permanent access to Heroes outside of free rotation, you’ll be able to earn them through gameplay, or purchase them for real money.
Do players who pay have an advantage over those who don’t?
No. You’ll be able to earn everything that affects gameplay.
How does customisation work?
You will be able to customise any Hero! From outfits through to hair colour and different faces, you’ll have an abundance of choices open to you.
Customisations will be unlocked either with earned in-game silver, or by purchasing them. Some cosmetic items – that change your look but don’t affect gameplay – may only be purchasable.
What will I be able to buy as a Villain?
Each Quest in Fable Legends has a number of Creatures that are native to it. If you want to use Creatures that are non-native to that Quest you will be able to unlock them through gameplay, or by purchasing them.
You will also be able to earn or buy different types of Traps and Gates to find new and exciting ways to take down the Heroes.
Will I need Xbox Live Gold membership to play Fable Legends on Xbox One?
Yes. Being a multiplayer game, Fable Legends will require Xbox Live Gold to play.
Will I need to pay for Gold membership to play on Windows 10 PC?
No, Windows 10 PC will not require Xbox Live Gold.
Will purchases I make on Xbox One carry over to the Windows 10 PC version?
Yes! Progress and items will be synced across Windows 10 PC and Xbox One. You can play on Windows 10 PC, and when you log in on Xbox One with the same account, pick up where you left off.
Will there be a boxed collector’s edition of the game?
We know that a lot of people love to collect physical copies and special editions, we are looking into this and will keep you updated.
How will free to play impact the development of the game? Will you focus more on shop items?
We want Fable Legends to be a brilliant game, and we have taken extra steps to ensure that the free-to-play model does not define the game. Our focus is on delivering high quality content for you to enjoy.
Following the launch of Fable Legends we will continue to deliver regular updates including new Heroes and Quests for you to play.
*Xbox Live Gold membership sold separately. Game offers in-app purchases.
Last week Microsoft also announced Forza Horizon 2 presents Fast and Furious. Its a standalone open world expansion similar to what's been done with Infamous second son. It features cars from the fast and furious anc challenges and races related to the series. It comes out on March 27 and is free until Apirl 10th. After that period is up it will cost $10 for anyone who didn't get it while it was free. (http://news.xbox.com/~/media/images/media%20assets/xbox%20one%20games/forza%20horizon%202/20150225%20project%20spire/fh2%20fast%20furious_visualid_forzahorizon2.png)
and finally to Kick off GDC Microsoft announced a ton of indie games coming to the Xbox One through the ID@Xbox Program. They seem to be catching up with Nintendo and Microsoft as far as relations go. The games include
Knight Squad - Chainawesome games Gunball - Necrosoft Games Arirtana - Duaik Harpy's Feather - Duaik Inside My Radio - Seaven Studios Anarcute - AnarTeam Screencheat - Surprise Attack Tower of Guns - Grip Digital Tumblestone - The Quantum Astrophysicists Guild Smite - Hi-rez Soul Axiom - Wales Interactive Bedlam - Redbedlam Beyond Eyes - Team17 Clusterpuck 99 - PHL Collective Cuphead - Studio MDHR Earthlock: Festival of Magic - Snowcastle Games The Flame in the Flood - The Molasses Flood Fortfied - Clapfoot Games Game 4 - The Behemoth Goat Simulator - Double Eleven LA Cops - Team17 Magic Duels: origins - Wizards of the Coast Pixel Galaxy - Serenity Forge RBI Baseball 15 - MLB.com Shadow Blade: Rebirth - Dead Mage Shovel Knight - Yacht Club Games Submerged - Uppercut Games Super Dungeon Bros. - React! Games SWORDY - Frogshark The Sun and the Moon - Digerati Distribution and Marketing ZHEROES - Rimlight Studios Wasteland 2 - Inxile Entertainment Blues and Bullets - A crowd of monsters
