Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 21, 2014, 02:58:13 PM
I just wish they'd put the last two on the eShop. I really don't understand why Activision doesn't put their stuff on there, it seems like a win-win for them.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 21, 2014, 03:14:39 PM
Wasn't the rumor Activision demands a higher than standard cut of profits from all digital sales? And Nintendo would not make an exception for them so they stay off the eshop?
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on August 21, 2014, 03:28:54 PM
I still hate Activision/Bungie for making the Destiny logo look like the Wii U logo, not to mention in the Destiny promo video "My Body Is Ready" meme.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 21, 2014, 03:30:43 PM
I am genuinely curious is this the worst they have been in terms of 3rd party sales or is there a similar time period we could look to? I mean I know Activision has never abandoned Nintendo before but I am not familiar with Ubisoft much as they only came to major prominence last gen and I mostly sat that one out. I don't think shrugging this of with **** you I will just prove your point and play the game Nintendo makes anyways is a good attitude. I am wondering who is left then? We all know Sega can't fill in the gaps and Capcom has never been fully dedicated to Nintendo and THQ is long gone.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on August 21, 2014, 04:01:36 PM
They are as bad as they've ever been. But its only WiiU, 3DS is still marginally better with 3rd party support. Nintendo just has to...nah, it's nothing else they can do for Wii U save for Smash 4 selling 2-3million WiiU's by March 2015.
OR
Nintendo invades China.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Mop it up on August 21, 2014, 05:18:14 PM
If we just go by the number of games then the N64 has the least amount of third-party support, even less than Wii U currently. But I think the N64 may have more third-party exclusives than Wii U currently has.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 21, 2014, 05:23:18 PM
But is that TOTAL games or is it worse if you remove eShop releases? I mean eShop exclusives not full retail games. According to Wikipedia (I know not best source but still) there have been 415 total games released to Wii U but how many are RETAIL games because that is what we have to compare, considering 1, N64 didn't have an eshop equevilent and 2, a lot of those eshop games are either mini games or Virtual Console anyways. Also that list includes dozens of unreleased games that might never see the light of day so I wonder what the real numbers are, N64 had just shy of 300 total well if you count US only I am not sure there was like 3 exclusive to PAL and fifty or so exclusive to Japan I think.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 21, 2014, 05:31:06 PM
I don't think it's fair to not count eShop stuff in that comparison. They're still games that you can play on the system, regardless of the distribution method. Virtual Console shouldn't count, but I think original eShop titles should, at least to a certain extent.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Mop it up on August 21, 2014, 05:32:09 PM
The 415 number doesn't include the Virtual Console. Again, I just said "the numbers," not other factors, though I don't think things like distribution or content matters much. A game's a game.
Besides, the Wii U's been out for less than two years. After two years, the N64 had around 60-70 total games for it, way less than Wii U. Compared like that, Wii U has more support.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 21, 2014, 05:50:55 PM
I guess when you put it that way it does look a little better. I guess its just the few games N64 had were just so mind blowing for the time maybe?
What I meant by discarding eShop was that is different market then N64 if N64 would have had an indie scene it would have been different too, I was just going for major investment type games because that is what we were comparing I thought, indie games are different they don't require as much risk and Nintendo has made eShop indie friendly that was not the case on N64 so I was going by full retail releases to get a clue on full support, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 21, 2014, 06:00:11 PM
The industry now is very different than it was in the N64's time, in a lot of ways. I'm not sure there's a good way to directly compare the two that would be fair to both.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 21, 2014, 06:03:16 PM
The industry now is very different than it was in the N64's time, in a lot of ways. I'm not sure there's a good way to directly compare the two that would be fair to both.
In some ways yes, but indie games had a life on PC even then, just not at all on consoles. But you are right a direct comparison is not 100% possible. Still I am a numbers guy so I was just curious. I am not convinced Wii U is doing better than N64 but I am not convinced it is worse either.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Triforce Hermit on August 21, 2014, 06:12:12 PM
Wasn't this was confirmed when the released Nuketown on Blops II for Wii U? I thought they did it to make up for not putting Advanced Warfare on the Wii U.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 21, 2014, 06:31:49 PM
Hardly anyone would buy it if they did. The costs outweigh the (lack of) profits.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Mop it up on August 21, 2014, 07:39:25 PM
That's why I went by the number of releases, since it's a fact. Which system has better-quality releases is debatable, and based on a lot of subjective factors. But the Wii U is not the Nintendo system that has gotten the least amount of support.
For me personality, I think the N64 has better games than Wii U, including third-party games, but I'm sure many would disagree with that.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 21, 2014, 07:46:42 PM
It's hard to compete with the level of groundbreaking stuff on the N64. The introduction of polygonal 3D opened up a lot of possibilities that had never been there before. Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, and others invented new types of games and set precedents that are still in use today. I'm not sure there's anything that could bring about that type of shift again. Maybe VR, if that ever really takes off.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Ian Sane on August 21, 2014, 08:01:34 PM
There are three third parties that support damn near anything, where bragging about their support is like bragging about having a nose, and they are Activision, EA and Ubisoft. The silliest arguments about the Wii U attracting good third party support prior to launch always revolved around games from these three companies.
Well Nintendo has now pissed off all three. They effectively have nothing now. What is the Wii U's future release schedule going to be? Five retail games a year, all made by Nintendo? Retailers don't carry videogame systems that have no games. That's a situation where not counting eShop really makes sense. Gamestop, Best Buy, Toys 'R' Us, they don't get a dime from the eShop. Unless Nintendo expects to sell Wii U hardware exclusively online they kind of need to keep physical retailers happy to get the console into people's homes.
I just don't see how this situation with third party support being virtually non-existent and Nintendo being incapable of making games faster is going to last for any amount of time, especially long enough to be the typical timeframe of a console generation. This isn't going to last five years.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Adrock on August 21, 2014, 09:43:59 PM
I feel like Nintendo stopped expecting Wii U to last five years sometime after they sold like 14 total units in March 2013. The thing is they still need to tow the line because the alternative is losing everything invested on Wii U (including the goodwill of fans who bought the console) then rushing a replacement. Best case scenario: take like two years to get a decent product to market. Their goal shouldn't be "decent." They need "good" to "great." Finishing their remaining Wii U titles in development while forging ahead on a successor for a 2016 launch is their best bet so long as they're taking that extra year to build a solid console, make things right with third parties, and have titles ready for launch, all easier said than done.
It's probably easier to make things right with Activision and Ubisoft because they'll support anything. Nintendo just needs to communicate better. EA has an ax to grind so unless Nintendo bends over and just accepts Origin, Nintendo will have to sell a bunch of units and wait for EA to come knocking.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: pokepal148 on August 21, 2014, 10:35:59 PM
Well Nintendo has now pissed off all three. They effectively have nothing now. What is the Wii U's future release schedule going to be? Five retail games a year, all made by Nintendo?
That would probably be an improvement over the N64 technically... Progress....?
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 21, 2014, 11:06:24 PM
Well Nintendo has now pissed off all three. They effectively have nothing now. What is the Wii U's future release schedule going to be? Five retail games a year, all made by Nintendo?
That would probably be an improvement over the N64 technically... Progress....?
While the sentiment is accurate go back and LOOK at the N64 library, even the third party games were mostly pretty damn good especially for the time. Wii U is different most of the 3rd party games, from what people say anyways, are just terrible sloppy ports missing half the content. Aside from MK Trilogy, I can't think of a single 3rd party port that was not at least on par with the PSX or Saturn versions. Maybe RE2 but that was to be expected. Again I think most people are talking retail releases here, I am not sure what is going on with the eshop but to be fair that sort of is part of the problem, lack of good awareness. Everybody knew about LostWinds and My Life as a King even if they didn't own a Wii or read Nintendo fansite. My brother in law who hated Nintendo and was all about Xbox 360 bought a Wii points card for me just to purchase both of those games for him to play when he came over so they had some buzz, I haven't heard about any Eshop games except NES Remix and Shovel Knight, all games I heard about here and I was actively seeking information on eshop games.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Triforce Hermit on August 22, 2014, 04:10:10 AM
For the sake of clarity, RE2 on the 64 was the best port out of them all, because it came with the most/best content.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Ian Sane on August 22, 2014, 05:14:33 PM
Finishing their remaining Wii U titles in development while forging ahead on a successor for a 2016 launch is their best bet so long as they're taking that extra year to build a solid console, make things right with third parties, and have titles ready for launch, all easier said than done.
There is a point where moving Wii U projects to the successor would make sense. There is no value in releasing a Wii U game only a few months prior to the Wii U successor launch. Both the N64 and Gamecube had games in development towards the end of their lives get moved to the succeeding console. Supporting the Wii U while at the same time getting enough good stuff ready for launch that will make up for what will certainly be slow third party support at first seems beyond Nintendo's current capabilities. They'll need more teams working on games, which is something that almost everyone has agreed on since the Wii U's initial release droughts.
Sega did a pretty lousy job transitioning from the Saturn to the Dreamcast with Bernie Stoler stupidly condemning the Saturn publicly before they officially discontinued it and Sega disappearing from the public eye for a good year or so until the Dreamcast launch. And they did almost everything right with the Dreamcast itself but it still made no difference. Is the damage to Nintendo's reputation already as permanent as Sega's was? Just killing the Wii U off before a successor is ready would be doing the same thing as Sega but sticking around with a dud for too long would do no favours for public perception either.
The N64 actually had pretty consistent support from Midway, Acclaim and THQ. Of course the quality of games from those guys tended to vary and all three companies are now defunct. Still what N64 owner wasn't playing San Francisco Rush, Turok or the Aki wrestling games? Nintendo was also at probably their peak as a game developer, just routinely busting out industry changing classics with Rare keeping up. I don't see the 2014 equivalent of Super Mario 64 and Goldeneye in the pipeline on the Wii U. Ocarina of Time was arguably the greatest game ever made when it came out. What game is Nintendo working on that even attempts such ambition? Nintendo was lucky that their weakest third party support coincided with their creative peak. That's what it took to hang on.
Nintendo has had a rep for a while as having lousy third party support. It would take a big splash of major third party titles at launch for their next console to overcome that. Like I think getting a few token games where the idea is to suggest that things will improve won't cut it. All anyone will see is their presumptions about weak third party support being confirmed. I think right from the get-go it has to look like the problem has been solved. Now I don't know how the hell you could actually pull that off but Nintendo has to pretty much assume that no one will give a **** and that they have to win people over on every little detail. We've seen what years of asking people to "please understand" this and that has done. They need to give gamers no excuses to ignore them.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Adrock on August 22, 2014, 06:08:21 PM
There is a point where moving Wii U projects to the successor would make sense.
That might have already happened with certain titles. Whatever Retro Studios is working on is likely already a Wii U successor title. I'd bet on Zelda being moved as well. Nintendo could go the Twilight Princess route and release the new Zelda on both Wii U and its successor. However, the successor needs a win right off the bat. Don't give people an alternative. Doubtful that anyone would be upset enough about the move to boycott it, and even then, there probably aren't a lot of them. It's open-world Zelda. The game sells itself on concept alone. Everything else Nintendo showed at E3 (minus the Star Fox proof of concept) was either too far along or small enough that finishing it on Wii U made sense just so they would have something to release.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 22, 2014, 06:09:40 PM
Nintendo needs to keep supporting the Wii U to make sure the kind of people who bought it early on (us) don't get too pissed off, because if the successor is going to be successful they need their biggest fans (us again) to be onboard from day one. If they abandon it now, they'll get a lot less early support for the Wii V.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 22, 2014, 06:24:42 PM
But then they'll get you all back with the Wii Wii. There aren't that many people to piss off though - Wii U is at less than 7 million consoles worldwide, that's like 7% of the Wii userbase, and probably 2/3 of that 7% wouldn't care. Honestly, getting out of the console business and only doing handhelds and third party games would probably be best for them now.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 22, 2014, 06:54:42 PM
Nintendo needs to keep supporting the Wii U to make sure the kind of people who bought it early on (us) don't get too pissed off, because if the successor is going to be successful they need their biggest fans (us again) to be onboard from day one. If they abandon it now, they'll get a lot less early support for the Wii V.
I think it is safe to assume the fans who are not interested in Wii U FAR outnumber those who bought it on fiath alone. it would do them GOOD to go after a larger fanbase that still loves their games but want more than what Wii U offers.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 22, 2014, 07:11:29 PM
They need more than the people who bought a Wii U, but they can't succeed without them. It takes a special kind of insanity to buy a game console at launch and Nintendo needs their die-hards to be there from the start.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on August 22, 2014, 07:16:38 PM
It's not the console business that Nintendo should abandon, it's Nintendo's Console Business Plan. If the Wii U was slightly less powerful than an Ps4 instead of slightly more powerful than a PS3 and came with the GamePad then we would not be having this discussion (most likely). This is coming from someone who thinks the WiiU Lineup absolutely craps on both other systems but for how long?
Not having GTA, Destiny, COD, or MADDEN this holiday hurts. Bayo and Smash ain't chopped liver but it won't turn the tide. Unless Smash goes "viral" and I don't see that happing.
Those of you who think moving on to the next wii "x" is a good idea, I ask you one question: Who's going to buy it?
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 22, 2014, 07:27:03 PM
The Wii U would've made a lot more sense if it had come out in 2010, or even 2011. A minor bump from existing systems could work if you gave it more than a year's head start on the competition's next consoles. Nintendo releasing a somewhat better version of the PS4/XBO in 2016 would allow them to do it without too much cost but give third parties more of a reason to learn to make games for it since it'd still likely be several years until Sony and Microsoft have any desire to move on.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Ian Sane on August 22, 2014, 07:53:03 PM
Those of you who think moving on to the next wii "x" is a good idea, I ask you one question: Who's going to buy it?
Do you mean who will buy it if Nintendo's moves on relatively soon or who will buy a Wii U successor at any time?
Though if the PS4 builds up enough of a userbase and the timing is such that that is the Wii U successor's main competition then it will be pretty hard. They would benefit the best from timing it where people are ready for a new gen but that's pretty far off. It would sell with someone like me who is a historical Nintendo fan that does not like the Wii U's concept and doesn't want to support it but would support a different Nintendo console but I don't know how many Nintendo fans are just waiting for Nintendo to offer a product they want.
In regards to offending existing Wii U owners, I'd argue that those are the most loyal fans that will probably put up with almost anything. I think Nintendo just needs to release some sort of half-decent game in one of their long running series and current Wii U owners won't have the willpower to resist. Like you'll be mad but mad enough that you'll willingly miss out on a new Mario, Zelda or Metroid? Families that bought it where the parents forked up the dough and aren't fans will probably be the ones turned off but Nintendo nuts will be back.
Of course with the amount of time it will take to get a successor ready several years will have gone by and the Wii U will probably be at least four years old.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 22, 2014, 08:05:35 PM
After the massive early price drop for 3DS and the way Wii U has gone, I think Nintendo would be foolish to assume all those people will be willing to buy another Nintendo system on faith.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: UncleBob on August 22, 2014, 08:44:56 PM
Hey, look. Another Call of Duty game I won't be buying.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 22, 2014, 09:37:39 PM
A massive price drop helped the Game Cube but that doesn't look like it's on the tables at this point. Maybe next year but if sales are down that low then they have bigger problems to worry about.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 22, 2014, 09:58:31 PM
Price drop, fire sale, tomato, tomato.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on August 22, 2014, 09:59:26 PM
The biggest problem I see with WiiU is xboxone! Nintendo seems content standfast until they are firmly in either 2nd or 3rd place. No moves, no price cut or new colors, nothing that old Nintendo would have done to improve sales. I think Nintendo thinks that they are OK.
A lot is riding on smash, kart and amiibo.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 22, 2014, 10:06:09 PM
I don't think the price is the main problem. They could cut it to $200 and I doubt sales would improve that much without better software support. I think they'll keep the price where it is, allow Smash and the back catalog to sell what it will this holiday, then maybe a price cut in early 2015.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 22, 2014, 11:29:03 PM
I don't think the price is the main problem. They could cut it to $200 and I doubt sales would improve that much without better software support. I think they'll keep the price where it is, allow Smash and the back catalog to sell what it will this holiday, then maybe a price cut in early 2015.
You only say that because you already have one, shut up already price IS a big deal it is to me, it is to a lot of people if it wasn't we wouldn't keep bringing it up. Also to keep this back to the point, I WILL get one once Splatoon, Toad, and Hyrule Warriors are all out especially if the price drops because BY THEN there will be enough games to justify it when you take into account the BC so I can grabbed a handful of Wii games I might have missed, but until then its not worth it to pay next gen prices for last gen games.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: nickmitch on August 23, 2014, 01:13:46 AM
Amiibo doesn't seem like it's designed to sell systems. Seems more like it's designed to milk the existing base.
A lot is riding on Smash and hopefully its supporting cast of Bayonetta, Hyrule Warriors, and Sonic Boom will move consoles.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 23, 2014, 01:52:49 AM
I don't think the price is the main problem. They could cut it to $200 and I doubt sales would improve that much without better software support. I think they'll keep the price where it is, allow Smash and the back catalog to sell what it will this holiday, then maybe a price cut in early 2015.
You only say that because you already have one, shut up already price IS a big deal it is to me, it is to a lot of people if it wasn't we wouldn't keep bringing it up. Also to keep this back to the point, I WILL get one once Splatoon, Toad, and Hyrule Warriors are all out especially if the price drops because BY THEN there will be enough games to justify it when you take into account the BC so I can grabbed a handful of Wii games I might have missed, but until then its not worth it to pay next gen prices for last gen games.
I didn't say the price wasn't an issue, I said it wasn't the main issue. Just making it cheaper would sell some units, but the software library needs to improve if there's any chance of moving real numbers. Smash and the holiday will give it a decent bump, regardless of whether it's $300 or $250, so I doubt it would make a ton of sense for Nintendo to drop it before then.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on August 23, 2014, 04:15:07 AM
Its more perception over price from where I stand. Folks have no problem shelling out almost 2x as much money for an Xboxone with a Library of games that are marginally better than its last gen counterpart. The people who've purchased an XBOXONE/PS4 in the the last year are doing it based not only on its current value but also on its futures return.
marvel_moviefan_2012 I WILL get one once Splatoon, Toad, and Hyrule Warriors are all out especially if the price drops because BY THEN there will be enough games to justify it when you take into account the BC so I can grabbed a handful of Wii games I might have missed, but until then its not worth it to pay next gen prices for last gen games."
This is the whole point. By all accounts, most people don't think the wii U is worth it at any price or there would be more than 7million sold worldwide 3months before its 3rd holiday on the market. It has a number of diverse titles that have garnered much acclaim yet these games are not pushing units because of the price of the system nor the quality of the game.
TROPICAL FREEZE IS AN AWESOME GAME ON A SYSTEM THATS $100-200 cheaper than its competitors. WHO CARES, if the overall narrative of the console is as negative as it is. Make no mistake, this has been the most vocal, anti-Nintendo hate parade I have ever seen. From the name to the gamepad to the specs to the lack of 3rd part support (all valid points) the systems has been trying to ice skate up hill since launch. That is Nintendo's fault for not seeing the passion of the current and near future markets.
So no Call of Duty, Destiny and GTAV may not be a big deal to Nintendo Fans per se, but there are TENS of Millions of folks who see that and think that the system wouldn't be worth it, even at half the selling price.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 23, 2014, 06:10:37 AM
People are a lot more confident in the futures of the PS4 and Xbox One than that of the Wii U. It doesn't matter if the Wii U has a better lineup of games that are out now if everyone thinks there's barely a year left in the Wii U's life and 5 or 6 for the others.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 23, 2014, 02:00:19 PM
People are a lot more confident in the futures of the PS4 and Xbox One than that of the Wii U. It doesn't matter if the Wii U has a better lineup of games that are out now if everyone thinks there's barely a year left in the Wii U's life and 5 or 6 for the others.
I mostly agree but again those consoles do WAY MORE than just play video games, even if the media features can be had elsewhere, having an all in one player verses one that does a little is a big difference to many people too. I picked up my PS3 when I did partly because the price was finally reasonable, the library was solid, and I was in the market for a new Blu Ray player *and* needed a new streaming media player to replace my Roku that crapped out on me. The PS3 was a damn bargain considering all it does.
The problem is Nintendo gamers see Wii U as a games console, and see Ps4 and One as ONLY games consoles whereas most people see them as entertainment machines that also play video games. Even general web browsing is superior at least from what I gather, It sure as hell is much better on PS3 than it was on Wii anyways. Again for an extra hundred bucks you don't just get a next gen console with five or so years of potential, you also get a full featured 3D Ultra HD Blu Ray Player that can also watch movies in 4K, all not major selling points to the majority but big enough future proof investments for the techies who also buy these machines who could give a rats ass they play video games. I speak from experience, go to the Blu Ray forum people there worship Blu Ray they live and die buy it and most of them swear their PS3 purchase was based entirely on it being the absolute best blu ray player out there, even by most standards it still is pretty damn good. Put the PS4 up to that crowd and they are likely to switch especially the ones interested in 4K.
That is the big picture, Wii U is a game console, the other two are entertainment consoles. Now when discussing the future of the One you have to bring Steam Machine into the mix as that could disrupt the whole Xbox culture, who knows. But Nintendo is the *last* of the dedicated games only consoles. YES Sony put games first with PS4 to win back some of the fickle gamers, but they still made it a damn good media machine, which consequently was WHY I was interested in the first place as games are well non-existant there too but you can do more with it to remove some of that cognitive dissonence that comes with buying an over priced underpowered less than full featured machine. Nintendo HAS to sell Wii U on games alone because that is all they have, nobody gives a **** it streams Netflix what electronics device out there doesn't do that?
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 24, 2014, 01:31:53 AM
Just talking media functionality, the PS4 is currently inferior to its predecessor by a good margin. Xbox One does a pretty good job of it from what I've seen, but it isn't selling nearly as well as PS4 so I doubt the media stuff's a huge factor in it for a lot of people.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 24, 2014, 08:59:44 AM
Wii U is an "entertainment console" just as much as the other two - aside from Nintendo being to cheap to license DVD and Blu Ray playback, it just isn't nearly as popular so companies like Twitch and HBO aren't wasting their time with it. It has Netflix, Amazon Video, Hulu Plus, video chat, Tii Vii and YouTube.
Lets stop with the "it's a dedicated game console" stuff and not even pretend like that would be a good thing anyway. If Wii U launched 2 years earlier and included Blu Ray playback it would probably be in a very good position right now.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on August 24, 2014, 10:31:32 AM
By the way, Amazon Instant Video has HBOGO* so that's a solid work around to get it on the WiiU. Although the AIV app is slow as ****.
*Edit: It's not HBOGO its HBO NOW, it lacks the Current movies and shows but it has the archives.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 24, 2014, 11:36:27 AM
Right. So it's basically terrible. I tried it. And yes, the Amazon Video app is horrible, but the service is pretty terrible too.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 24, 2014, 02:30:45 PM
It has the whole HBO back catalog except the last three years, so The Wire and The Sopranos and a ton of other good stuff is available through it. If I didn't also have access to HBO Go I'd use that a lot.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 24, 2014, 03:25:53 PM
No non-HBO movies either...and it will (apparently) always be three years behind on TV shows. It seems that its basic function is to get people to order HBO.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Ian Sane on August 25, 2014, 03:33:46 PM
The price has been affordable to me since day one. The reason I don't have one is because I don't feel the Wii U has any future. Because of it's similarities to the Wii, it's also not the type of product I want from Nintendo. A price cut to convince me to buy it at this point would have to be clearance bin levels. I'm not waiting for a lower price, I just don't want the damn thing period. It has to be "eh, why not?" pricing. At this exact moment the Wii U's lineup is better than the other guys'. So the reason that the PS4 is selling well is likely based on potential and I think the general view of the Wii U is that it has none. To combat that Nintendo would have to change public perception and a price cut won't do that.
In regards to Nintendo fans not having blind faith for the next gen if the Wii U dies too soon, I don't see how the Wii U limping on in years of irrelevance makes much of a difference. So the next Nintendo console launches and you think "last time I trusted them they canned the console early". Is that any better or worse than "the last time I trusted them the console was a bust that had squat for third party support and never caught on with consumers"? Both ways the console is a dud and no matter what the next Nintendo console will have to fight against consumer prejudice of it also being a console with no future. I figure either of those scenarios would keep a Nintendo fan from jumping in on blind faith again or neither would (ie: almost nothing would). Next time around, unless Nintendo really blows everyone away at E3 and other pre-launch showings, only the most loyal Nintendo fans would blindly jump in again. If you're the type that would be discouraged or at least become cautious, from one of those scenarios the other would have the same effect.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 26, 2014, 12:43:15 AM
again just because they aren't important to everyone, or even you personally, doesn't mean there isn't a portion of the population that they are important to. Also even though the media features of PS4 are not on par with PS3, they STILL beat the media features of Wii U so to those consumers looking to upgrade it might not be a DEAL breaker but it would be a value added factor. Price conscious consumers actually make up way more of the segment than you are realizing, most people don't spend $3-400 on an impulse buy. They are going to have to evaluate every little detail. Many are looking at Wii U and seeing that for what you get COMPARED to to what the competition offers the gap is too wide. Even if you don't need a blu ray player or a streaming device right now, if someone was on the fence and their only concern was just the games they have to decide whats more important Nintendo only games or having a strong library with major growth potential. Right now the PS4 is getting games announced left and right, where as Wii U is getting games canceled in nearly equal numbers.
The topic why did Call of Duty not sell enough to stick around. Go back to Game Cube and sales were low but not so low as to lose this much 3rd party support. Even N64 still had the big FPS shooters of the day. So losing that market, the largest segment of the market currently, is a BAD sign. You cannot have a discussion as to why Wii U is failing without discussing its shortcoming. I get it you can over look those but **** man either you must be rich or you just love Nintendo so much you don't care. If you rich and money isn't an object to you then fine you are out of touch with reality there is nothing I can do about that, I am sure every Neo Geo owner was scratching their heads why everyone didn't take out a second mortage to but that game console too whereas regular working class folks were eating up the sub $150 SNES/Genesis consoles.
The market has changed, game consoles have evolved since the PS2 era to be more than just game players. Saying Wii U is multimedia is like saying the GBA is multimedia because Nickelodeon released some videos on it. Bull ****, it streams Netflix and a few other popular apps streams that is it does not play any video, or audio natively from what I can tell so it is an internet streaming capable device NOT a multimedia device. Even if it could play discs, DVD or Blu Ray, right that would not matter to the market at large someone on the fence would not suddenly be over the line, unless they were in the market for a new player anyways or they were looking for additional features to add value to their purchase. Normally in a game console value added is achieved by released more games to the library, with Wii U that is not happening the library is increasing but too slowly to really grow the user base.
If someone was just shopping for their family and wanted to consider all options a sales person IS going to point out that the other two do things Wii U does not do, same as when they were selling Wii. Those consumers are going to ask why the Wii U is so much money compared to a 360 that does MORE or a PS3 that has a stronger library of comparable games? Wii U is a damn hard sell. Wii was different because it was pretty much a fad that took the world by storm and then fizzled out. Wii U is not a fad it is a dud it might not be their worst dud in history but it is a dud nonetheless. Even if One is more of a dud doesn't make it less of one either. I am not trashing the damn console nor the fans just pointing out that it still is a damn hard sell and if I was wrong the fucking thing would not be in the mess it is if lack of games was the ONLY issue because as we have pointed to the N64 did NOT have that problem and its library was as pitiful, in terms of numbers, as you can find on a console. Even Saturn had a more robust library in terms of numbers/variety but N64 sold on quality only why can't Wii U do that? Because the world has changed, people want their technology to do more and even if Wii U does more than Wii it still does LESS than 360/PS3 and even less than PS4 and the One even if they do less (currently, Sony says that will all change in near future) still they do MORE than Wii U does at the moment.
It might not matter to YOU but to the guy who recently bought a 4K television it matters to them buying a entertaiment machine that can give them access to 4K content. Even if they are a small segment of the market, it is still possible there could be more of them than pure loyalists to Nintendo, there is no way of knowing except when someone says that it an issue to them you either take their word for it or you don't. You might not see it here, on a Nintendo fansite, you might not even see it on IGN or general purpose video game sites, but I assure you read the Blu Ray forums or AVForum or any forum devoted to technology, home video, 4K or any of the like and PS4 is mentioned as the device to get, again like Ps3 and PS2 before it, there will be a segment of the greater market who buy the machines for media features and games second, even if they only buy one or two games a year they still add to the hardware numbers and companies will see that.
Now you can't really say one way or the other if Wii U would sell better if it was less money or it also played Blu Ray discs but you can say for sure that the more it's competitors do the harder it is to justify it based on games alone when the games are few and far between. What you can say for sure as long as there are people who claim that as their reason or a contributing reason you have to at least assume for them it is a valid reason. Currently Wii U is equal to Dreamcast, better than last gen not quite next gen it the market has largely rejected it. Can it recover? I doubt it, this is only the second console in recent history to LOSE EA support and the first to ever lose Activision so we are somewhat in uncharted territory even for Nintendo.
Also there is going to be a portion of the market watching it fail who know if they hold out for a little while longer it will be discounted as it is clearanced out, with each big game getting canceled that is just one more headline that will make someone who is waiting even more skeptical and those who have bet on the wrong horse in the past, especially Sega fans, will be even more skeptical because they have been there they see the writing on the wall.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Ian Sane on August 26, 2014, 12:26:25 PM
I figure if the Wii U is going to be missing multimedia features that the other guys have then the price has to really reflect that and it just isn't a big enough difference to matter. Based on the lack of features and outdated specs the Wii U comes across as overpriced compared to the PS4. It's like how the Gamecube didn't have DVD playback. It was cheaper without it but not so much cheaper that it really mattered. They're tried that strategy three times and it has failed twice so give it up and just match the price and features.
Besides Nintendo's pricing never feels like a deal. They'll cut something that cost $100 and lower the price by $50. I'm not an idiot. Nintendo doesn't cheap out to give me a better deal but to give themselves a higher profit margin.
Title: Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on August 26, 2014, 04:26:57 PM
I figure if the Wii U is going to be missing multimedia features that the other guys have then the price has to really reflect that and it just isn't a big enough difference to matter. Based on the lack of features and outdated specs the Wii U comes across as overpriced compared to the PS4. It's like how the Gamecube didn't have DVD playback. It was cheaper without it but not so much cheaper that it really mattered. They're tried that strategy three times and it has failed twice so give it up and just match the price and features.
Besides Nintendo's pricing never feels like a deal. They'll cut something that cost $100 and lower the price by $50. I'm not an idiot. Nintendo doesn't cheap out to give me a better deal but to give themselves a higher profit margin.
In no way was the GameCube or Wii overpriced for what they offered. While I agree it would have been nice to have a dvd player in the GC, by the time the Wii hit, it was a moot point. I do however agree that the WiiU should have Blu-ray play back, but I never expected it to be. The WiiU has more than enough other media feature to satisfy 75% of their intended market. As a father, Netflix/youtube on the gamepad is the work of the almighty and should be praised as such.
Wasn't the Wii the #1 Netflix device in the world at some point? [size=78%](yes, most of that is based purely on the market saturation of 100+Mil units)[/size]
Title: Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
Post by: Ceric on August 26, 2014, 04:52:00 PM
But interestingly enough the PS3 has always been the premier device with the best experience for Netflix.
Title: Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on August 26, 2014, 05:02:41 PM
Really? I never noticed a real difference in the 2, save for HD of course. What were the main differences?
Title: Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
Post by: Ceric on August 26, 2014, 05:39:28 PM
Really? I never noticed a real difference in the 2, save for HD of course. What were the main differences?
In general the PS3 version of Netflix gets the experiments first.
SuperHD 3D Max Dolby 5.1
I'm fairly sure all those were first on the PS3. It is Netflix so UI wise they try to keep it consistent so its about the same as all the others.
And none of those thing were even possible on wii. WiiU got SuperHD at the same time, not sure bout the rest.
Title: Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 26, 2014, 09:01:51 PM
Wii U could do 3D, but not Dolby 5.1 (unless you consider Pro Logic II) since there is no digital audio output, I don't think Wii was ever the #1 system for Netflix though, it's pretty much always been PS3.
Title: Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
Post by: nickmitch on August 26, 2014, 09:33:47 PM
Wii was number one for a while. (http://www.geek.com/games/wii-is-the-top-console-for-netflix-streaming-1407371/)
But it was a short reign. (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/12/04/ps3-is-1-for-netflix-streaming-in-the-living-room/)
Title: Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on August 26, 2014, 10:39:41 PM
Can't the WiiU do 5.1 over HDMI? I don't think WiiU Games support Dolby pro logic II. The logo is nowhere to be found on the back of any physical game I own.(12) It appears Nintendo didn't deem it necessary to pay for any extra fee time around.
Edit* Maybe since the Wii is built-in and had Pro Logic 2 there was no need to pay for the licensing agreement again but I don't know.
Title: Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
Post by: Wah on August 26, 2014, 10:40:04 PM
No one likes COD anyway, :rolleyes: Halo's much better 8) in Story and gameplay.
Title: Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
Post by: Ymeegod on August 27, 2014, 04:11:33 PM
Yes, HDMI can carry audio DD5.1, hell it has enough bandwidth to carry True HD audio and the WII U uses PCM 5.1 uncompressed. The ugly--most headphones don't support PCM 5.1 and hell most receivers don't unless they are up to Dolby TrueHD support.
The WII U is capable of using PL2, but it's locked in WII Mode only to avoid paying Lucas Arts royalities. MS did something similar back during the Xbox launch where DVD playback was blocked and you had to buy an remote to access it.
Title: Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 27, 2014, 04:49:03 PM
Of course it's possible over HDMI, but again Nintendo cheaped out and didn't want to pay for licensing. So, no Dolby 5.1 on Wii U unless you count PL2 and it actually works in Wii Mode - my assumption would be that it does not - does it?
