Post by: nonjagged on June 24, 2003, 07:13:59 AM
Everything you ever wanted to know about the topic & then some.
Anyone find any other interesting links, drop em by in here.
In my opinion $ony is going to crush M$ very quickly. M$ wont even say anything publically bad about $ony thats how far embarrest/crushed they are this generation.
In my opinion M$ is going to be living in the shadows of $ony just copying $ony at what ever they do for a very long time. The mainstream market loves $ony there is no room for M$, M$ should go back to the PC industry, in my opinion.
The cell chip technology will be implemented in heaps and heaps of electrical/digital appliances not just the ps3.
M$ has only a PC online infrastructure to boast about it has little else to compete with $ony. It would be very interesting if the PS3 does in fact have the rumoured Embedded Linux, $ony for once would be respected for doing something for the industry rather than just destroying it. Linux can rise so high up in the mainstream environment with the simple help of $ony's backing.
In my opinion (after previously reading a report on the cell technology being a little slow in progress and couldnt really be ready before around 2007), to now somehow $ony recently claim they will have a prototype ready by MARCH 2004 is a little dodgy sounding.
$ony's real cell technology ideas wouldnt be actually fulfilled till 2007?, somehow I believe $ony will launch a scaled-down cheapskate version of the real Cell ambitions they had, so $ony doesnt fall behind in the next-gen launch of platforms.
In other words Cell technology version 1 will be a cheapish version and interested parties should wait for the second generation of Cell technology to see if it can perform.
Meanwhile I am so happy Nintendo is sticking with gaming only technology.
However, It would be nice one day to see if Nintendo could produce a gaming VR headset that is the equivalency of GAF Viewmaster Reels only in a fully animated digital world.
Lastly in my opinion by the time 2007 comes around Im gonna speculate there will be millions of Servers out their with the brand name $ony running on a special Linux and we probably wont even care about M$ or Windows anymore as $ony's high-end Servers will have Freeware/Open Source, while $ony just makes $$$ from unit sales. Who knows its possible even the very gaming websites we visit will be running on $ony hardware in the future as business strategies are implemented.
Its amazing how M$ said they are here to win the war and they seem to just be sitting around waiting for whatever $ony does then make a move. However M$ server with Xbox technology or Windows O/S just cannot compete with $ony & Freeware.
Well unless M$ want to lose another few billion in the next-gen also.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on June 24, 2003, 08:44:22 AM
And errr, you realize microsoft is growing in the server market...
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 24, 2003, 02:18:03 PM
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Its amazing how M$ said they are here to win the war and they seem to just be sitting around waiting for whatever $ony does then make a move. However M$ server with Xbox technology or Windows O/S just cannot compete with $ony & Freeware.
Nintendo have done that for YEARS. They've always played the next move. Look at the Nintendo 64. Nintendo sat back and watched both Sony and Sega develop their respective systems, then launch them. It wasn't till nearly two years later, Nintendo launched their beast.
And yes, Microsoft can compete with Sony's choice of Linux. Quite easily. Look at Windows. LOOK AT IT. Also, by your logic, Sony wouldn't be able to push Linux into the mainstream market simply by using on their next system. I mean
Quote. Mainstream gamers couldn't give two sh*ts about Linux. They don't WANT to know it, they just want to get online and use things with ease.
The mainstream market loves $ony
And please, stop with the dollar signs. You're only looking like a child by doing that rubbish.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 24, 2003, 08:39:45 PM
Hey Infernal, when u were in primary school, did you have those Commonwealth bankbooks with thse weird aliens called Dollarmites on them? Hahahaha!
Post by: nonjagged on June 25, 2003, 07:22:33 AM
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30 $ signs, great job!
And errr, you realize microsoft is growing in the server market...
I do realise that M$ are growing in the server market but *cough* they charge too much for a market like gamers *cough* to be anywhere near as competitive as $ony because the closest M$ has to Freeware/Open Source is Shared Source (lol Linux really got M$ fired up for M$ to actually startup Shared Source).
If ps3 has embedded Linux then how the flaming hell would M$ be competitive? when M$'s whole foundation has been based on overpriced closed-source O/S. Look at Xbox sure it was priced competitive to ps2 but M$ have lost billion$ on it and one would think M$ would not continue the trend for too many next-gen platforms.
With cell technology being put into laptops/servers/digital cameras/ps3/mobile phones/fax machines/who knows air conditioners of the future even etc what will M$ have to answer? Nothing as there is already a PC industry out there which isnt willing to drop its upgradeable hardware for new M$ copied hardware.
Post by: nonjagged on June 25, 2003, 07:32:00 AM
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Its amazing how M$ said they are here to win the war and they seem to just be sitting around waiting for whatever $ony does then make a move. However M$ server with Xbox technology or Windows O/S just cannot compete with $ony & Freeware.
Nintendo have done that for YEARS. They've always played the next move. Look at the Nintendo 64. Nintendo sat back and watched both Sony and Sega develop their respective systems, then launch them. It wasn't till nearly two years later, Nintendo launched their beast.
And yes, Microsoft can compete with Sony's choice of Linux. Quite easily. Look at Windows. LOOK AT IT. Also, by your logic, Sony wouldn't be able to push Linux into the mainstream market simply by using on their next system. I meanQuote. Mainstream gamers couldn't give two sh*ts about Linux. They don't WANT to know it, they just want to get online and use things with ease.
The mainstream market loves $ony
And please, stop with the dollar signs. You're only looking like a child by doing that rubbish.
I dont do requests regarding $$$ usage.
And refer to my previous post. Gamers dont give a hoot about Linux but they do give a hoot about Servers that are already $1k cheaper than M$'s servers. That is unless M$ want to underprice its Servers also (as apparently M$ need to overprice its Server Soft due to needing to upgrade & maintain it) and if M$ underprice its next-gen Servers to compete with $ony then they would theoretically be losing billion$ of dollars on that venture also, not just the Xbox venture.
Open Source or Linux in ps3/Servers is the way to go if your a gamer because as stated it will be far better priced for the gaming market.
In conclusion M$ may be competivie in price against $ony but in theory behind the doors M$ will be losing out bigtime. Granted, Its the behind the scenes that gamers dont care about but Im seeing Linux & $ony crushing M$ market with $ony even spilling over in the PC/Server industry not just Laptops anymore.
Post by: nonjagged on June 25, 2003, 07:42:51 AM
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Its amazing how M$ said they are here to win the war and they seem to just be sitting around waiting for whatever $ony does then make a move. However M$ server with Xbox technology or Windows O/S just cannot compete with $ony & Freeware.
Nintendo have done that for YEARS. They've always played the next move. Look at the Nintendo 64. Nintendo sat back and watched both Sony and Sega develop their respective systems, then launch them. It wasn't till nearly two years later, Nintendo launched their beast.
Im sure I have read reports coming thick and strong that Nintendo have announced they will be first up in the next-gen. Yeah I know let me answer your response by claiming Nintendo are known for delays however being that Nintendo is focusing purely on a games platform I see absolutely no reason why they cant deliver first, UNLESS (for those with a sense of humour and are not anal) M$ purchases ATI outright as ATI have basically confirmed the next Xbox will be using ATI GPU, then I see absolutely no reason why Nintendo cant deliver first.
In other more sour news, if your in the Xbox fraternity:
http://www.the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm
"- Nekkei News reported that Microsoft has dismissed 34 staff members from its Xbox department in Japan. Microsoft of Japan is planning to dismiss a total of 200 employees by the end of the financial year."
Other than the DOA series which is basically originally a Japanese series with boobies is the only reason why Xbox had some software sales in Japan for the console's whole lifespan.
Good luck to M$ come next-gen, I hope they get their act together and offer something other than Nintendo's and $ony's platforms. Because in my opinion there is no room for Nintendo, PCs, Sony & .....M$.
Also one of our fellow posters stated that the PS3 will be really difficult to develope for which is precisely what $ony wants. It doesnt want 3rd party developers to create middleware tools to develope for all systems. $ony wants all the 3rd parties to itself.
Amazing how a system easy to develope for (GCN) is crushed by marketers from competing platforms who systematically regurlarily publically attacked Nintendo's "kiddie" launch titles and used that as the basis why the whole Nintendo thing is "kiddie". To this day Nintendo has not recovered and even when Nintendo does drop its royalty fees for 3rd parties to favourable levels with competition as of a few months back, dumbass 3rd parties like Acclaim who make games for the ps2 market then expect to make GCN sales well over 6 months later by doing ordinary ports 6 months later is beyond comprehension, espeically when the next iteration of the series will be out shortly for the ps2 of course.
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on June 25, 2003, 12:35:17 PM
Post by: AERO on June 25, 2003, 01:08:54 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 25, 2003, 05:05:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Termin8Anakin
Weshould call in the Dollarmites!
Hey Infernal, when u were in primary school, did you have those Commonwealth bankbooks with thse weird aliens called Dollarmites on them? Hahahaha!
Ahahaha! Yeah! Did you get the little piggy bank type thing from them? It was a big scary orange Dollarmite with a slot in its head
Post by: PIAC on June 25, 2003, 06:31:44 PM
they were well creapy... all i know is i got rid of that account as soon as i could
not that i ever saved anything
Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 25, 2003, 06:40:51 PM
and remember the hologram ruler?
anyway, back to the Cell.
Post by: KDR_11k on June 25, 2003, 11:01:38 PM
Microsoft winning in the server department? That's new to me. I've heard more reports of Microsoft loosing entire governments to Linux.
The PS3 will do much more than games? Well, seeing how the PSX costs more than the PS2 just because of added functionality, I don't want to know what the PS3 will be priced at... Or the XB2.
Post by: nonjagged on June 26, 2003, 08:26:17 AM
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$hee$h, not only do you look $tupid for typing like thi$, but the content wa$ mo$tly ba$ed on your opinion, mixed in with a few fact$, to seemingly make it all true.
Yeah you like being vaige or is it your incapable of being more conscise?
A) Ba$ed on opinion = Hence the way I write In my opinion when I base something on my opinion. Opinions can also be accurate forecasts. Opinions on Open Source are widely accepted to be accurate, unless you are an Xbox fanboy whining here but to lazy to even point out what you are whining about. Typical.
B) Mixed with fact$ = Did I make a coctail of falses and truths?
Could you elaborate to what exactly you disagree with or found to be concocted against your wishes?
Gee Wiz ...Billy, should we put TiVo & HDTV tuner in Xbox 2? - Steve B
Depends if our more powerful competitors $ony do - Billy G
What if only Americans by Xbox2?
Shuttup Steve with your negativity ...you puppet
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 27, 2003, 03:21:00 AM
Stop downing the Xbox every bloody chance you get. It's not amusing.
Post by: nonjagged on June 27, 2003, 07:50:14 AM
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Holy hell nonjagged, would you like some cheese to go with that whine?
Stop downing the Xbox every bloody chance you get. It's not amusing.
Unfortunately (ie. for you) I dont do requests or pleads.
Your free to offer your opinions but not free to offer your demands or pleads.
If you dont agree/like one's opinions, then take your 2 monkey fingers to the keyboard and express why not.
PS. Hell is holy if your an Xbox fanboy, but I cant image a holy hell.
If you dont like ps3/cell talk and/or Xbox failures*, you could always take your story walking into another thread. Simple solution.
*(failures which have been included in the topic to point out naive competitive contradictions, because I have clearly read and viewed Xbox puppets claim they are better, they will rule and every other delusional optimistic comment you can think of).
Latest rumor is M$ is asking Nintendo for a partnership, but this will probably take more than the Rareware buyout which that took at least a year, so if true will be just ready for next-gen console launch. My guess is M$ want to offer their online infrastructure while Nintendo make the software/games because no one really wants to pay to play the pc franchises/ports on the Xbox consoles.
Wonder if Nintendo will laugh at M$'s money and tell them to go to holy hell. Interesting.
To the other respondant:
Simply saying ....opinions woven with truths is a lazy way of saying I dont agree but because Im lazy I will not followup with a reason whether its performed with 2 fingers or touch typed.
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on June 27, 2003, 12:51:48 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 27, 2003, 09:13:43 PM
It works better for us.
MS will waste more money trying to break into Japan (whilst at the same time wasting money on trying to badmouth us), and we have practically no risk of being screwed by Billy.
Post by: nonjagged on June 28, 2003, 07:09:02 AM
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Nonjagged, it's not lazy, it's avoiding wasting time pointing out flaws that everyone but you can see. You don't want to hear any opinion that contradicts yours. You are condescending and arrogant in your posts. I really hope this does not remain as the "official PS3" thread because it has gone into the toilet and is ridiculously biased against Sony. I am not a PS fan, but I looked at this thread thinking there was going to be actual NEWS, not some brat having a tantrum. I can see you now, eyes closed, fingers stuck in each ear, screaming "I'M NOT LISTENING I'M NOT LISTENING!!!!!"
LOL avoiding playing with your ear wax is what your doing.
Flaws? where? point them out dont be an armchair observer.
Dont want to hear anyone's opinion? Huh? Say what? there are no opinions on ps3/cell/etc other than my opinions. Someone elses opinions of disagreeing with no backup reasons are as stated wasted bandwidth.
LOL I provided the best possible link with pages on the topic and then I provided my opinions on the issue.
Its a forum board not a "cut and paste other sites article" board.
If your toooooo lazy to read the articles and possibly then offer your opinion, as stated before, please take a hike into another thread. Your more than welcome to.
Thinking there was actual NEWS in thsi thread? LOL refer to previous lines about link provided.
Now when yourve finished playing with your ear wax, do come back with your opinions like what you think of $ony's condascending statements that a Cell prototype will be ready next year when the technology wouldnt/couldnt be ready til around 2007 in the first place, and the sudden rapid lightyear time travelling technology progress was induced by Nintendo stating its not going to be last for next-gen launch.
Tootooloo.
Termin8Anakin, I agree its M$ that need Nintendo and M$ purchasing rare was the closest it would ever get to Nintendo, however Nintendo is just focusing on continuing to devise ideas on its own accord.
And Nintendo have very recently stated in Famitsu Mag that its looking at other ways of playing games (not in reference to GBA hookups or Online gaming) but in reference to something like VR headsets or Sony's Eyetoy.
Were all aware of Roll-o-rama or Tilt-o-rama technology and Konami's Light-Sensing technology however it will be intersting to see what direction Nintendo take while the Cell technology is also interesting as it will be incorporated in many digital appliances, but will it be a real fully-fledged technology version or will it be a rushed-out version to be ready with competition?
Post by: manunited4eva22 on June 28, 2003, 03:19:54 PM
Post by: OsonCubed320 on July 04, 2003, 12:54:48 PM
Post by: nonjagged on July 07, 2003, 09:52:39 AM
Nintendo, however dont have the time as theyre usually too busy actually creating games for 2 platforms.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on July 09, 2003, 03:20:45 PM
Post by: Mario on July 09, 2003, 11:59:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Termin8Anakin
Weshould call in the Dollarmites!
Hey Infernal, when u were in primary school, did you have those Commonwealth bankbooks with thse weird aliens called Dollarmites on them? Hahahaha!
Ahahaha OMG. I had them too! I remember back in year 2 and 3, i used to put 5 cents in every week. Now i have a total of $5!! Mwahahaha!
Post by: nonjagged on July 11, 2003, 07:53:14 AM
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Yes, I'm sure Nintendo's marketing devision is too busy creating games. -_-;;
You were almost correct. Theyre actually too busy playing games, not creating games.
PS whats a marketing devision?
Post by: Infernal Monkey on July 11, 2003, 03:40:41 PM
Post by: Mario on July 11, 2003, 07:51:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
Yes, I'm sure Nintendo's marketing devision is too busy creating games. -_-;;
You were almost correct. Theyre actually too busy playing games, not creating games.
PS whats a marketing devision?
You cant be serious?
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Post by: nonjagged on July 12, 2003, 07:18:58 AM
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Sony is infamous about putting specs into their hardware that dont even exist.
I at least hope they will make a decent effort at changing or at least adapting to the target audience.
Yeah the cell will be used in Camcorders & Kitchen Toasters.
I just hope Square and Konami support the GCN2 since its coming out first.
Pitty that no matter what (ask M$ they'll admit it reluctantly) that PSX platforms will always have the biggest market share.
The cell technology would be interesting to be in Mobile Phones where the phones of your friends or your CLAN network are all intra-connected or whatever. So I guess the PSP will have a scaled down version of cell which would assist wireless multiplayers get better power out of the mini-server they have setup.
Oh and Infernal, the exit door (to the dungeon you are curently in) is that a way. =>
Please close it behind you when you take your marketing devision for a English lesson.
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on July 12, 2003, 07:38:20 AM
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Oh and Infernal, the exit door (to the dungeon you are curently in) is that a way. =>
Please close it behind you when you take your marketing devision for a English lesson.
First, it's AN English lesson. Second, you are the Last person who should be flaming people based on a misspelled word. Here are a few examples (since I know you LOVE examples) of your misspelled words from just a few of your posts on page one of this thread.
embarrasst
realise
upgradeable
develope
vaige
conscise
coctail
LOOK THEM UP!!!
Post by: nonjagged on July 12, 2003, 07:55:26 AM
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Originally posted by: nonjagged
Oh and Infernal, the exit door (to the dungeon you are curently in) is that a way. => Please close it behind you when you take your marketing devision for a English lesson.
First, it's AN English lesson. Second, you are the Last person who should be flaming people based on a misspelled word.
You claim to know me now? LOL. Was I breast fed when I was younger?
Flaming people? Huh? Its called baiting the offtopics.
Now that you got (yet again) another one of your famous anurisms (spell check please) off your chest (or off your head) could you at least pretend you are actually going to mention something even remotely related to Cell or PS3. At least pretend?
And that goes for you too Infernal.
Dungeon door is stuck, wont budge?
Post by: Fish on July 12, 2003, 08:09:43 AM
Post by: rodtod on July 12, 2003, 09:44:48 AM
*cough* http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-07-22 *cough* Heh, just messin' with you two.
About Sony being on top this time around, there's always room for surprises. Nintendo's philosophy has always been to stick to the basics and make games more-oriented towards hardcore gamers and to Nintendo loyalists. But with new President Iwata running the show, perhaps Nintendo is rethinking its strategy for the upcoming generation. Microsoft, meanwhile, has a small userbase, but a very successful online plan. Expect the Xbox 2 to not go quietly. Same goes for the Nintendo.
So really, we don't know who's going to take the lead in this next generation. One thing's for certain, this next generation is going to be very interesting.
Post by: Bloodworth on July 13, 2003, 08:45:01 AM
