Gaming Forums => General Gaming => Topic started by: tendoboy1984 on March 14, 2014, 09:55:33 PM
Title: I hate console wars.
Post by: tendoboy1984 on March 14, 2014, 09:55:33 PM
I hate fanboys who ridicule others for buying a product that they don't like. Some people like Xbox, some like PlayStation, some like Nintendo. Why all the hate? What's the point of arguing about it and perpetuating this stupid "console war"?
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 14, 2014, 10:31:09 PM
what's the point of making a new topic on this matter.
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Post by: Shaymin on March 14, 2014, 10:32:27 PM
Might as well cancel your Internet then.
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Post by: Thunderbird Starkiller on March 15, 2014, 01:21:26 AM
People with no self-confidence need to convince themselves that they made the right purchase by convincing everyone around them that whatever they bought is the best. It's a sign of low self-esteem and a general disregard for logical thinking. Pay them no heed and take comfort in the fact that you are wiser than they ever will be :)
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 15, 2014, 02:43:42 AM
The internet turns everything into a war. OS wars, Browser wars, Cola wars, Star wars...
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 15, 2014, 03:21:01 AM
Man, those people who hate console wars are the worst. I can't stand them at all.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on March 15, 2014, 05:37:47 AM
I find it difficult to get angry about something as trivial as which video game console is better than another. I also don't get agitated by people engaging in 'console war' flaming, because, again, it's silly and not worth getting angry over. I don't hate the 'console wars' because I simply choose to ignore it.
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Post by: Ceric on March 15, 2014, 06:11:30 AM
Are you trying to say that the Internet is the Late 80's?
I actually do miss the Cola Wars. (http://o.onionstatic.com/images/1/1370/2x1/1200.jpg?9663)
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 15, 2014, 10:43:49 AM
Live RC Cola or Die!
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on March 15, 2014, 02:25:36 PM
People keep complaining about how the Xbox One is less powerful than the PS4. Xbox 360 was less powerful than PS3 and it still sold great. PS2 was less powerful than the original Xbox and GameCube and it still sold great. So why are people complaining now about hardware power when that was never a deciding factor with previous consoles?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 15, 2014, 02:33:24 PM
It's the combination of being more powerful and less expensive and launching at the same time. PS2 and 360 had a year's head start to build market share.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 15, 2014, 02:47:09 PM
I love the console wars, it makes things more exciting. It's easier to just simplify things and that is what most people want, to keep things as simple as possible. That is why they say arbitrary things like 3DO doesn't count as a game console or that a hard ware generation is set by a specific date rather than comparable technology. I hate the term hardware gen more than the console wars because nobody ever agrees on what a "generation" even is.
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 15, 2014, 03:20:58 PM
People keep complaining about how the Xbox One is less powerful than the PS4. Xbox 360 was less powerful than PS3 and it still sold great. PS2 was less powerful than the original Xbox and GameCube and it still sold great. So why are people complaining now about hardware power when that was never a deciding factor with previous consoles?
Because the Xbone sucks and the ps4 is 1000x better
But you see this is why you join the (http://i.imgur.com/PPanWZP.png)
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Post by: Phil on March 15, 2014, 06:21:08 PM
Are you trying to say that the Internet is the Late 80's?
I actually do miss the Cola Wars. (http://o.onionstatic.com/images/1/1370/2x1/1200.jpg?9663)
Looks like the two guys are trying to lift the guy on the left's massive dong.
Title: Re: I hate console wars.
Post by: lolmonade on March 15, 2014, 07:55:07 PM
While I think there can be an entertainment value of watching people squabble over the console offerings, my sincere suggestion is to not worry about which is "better" if you've already make your purchasing decisions, and simply enjoy your games. The console is just a delivery system for the games developers offer for them, and moving forward, the differences between them will probably become more and more negligible.
Title: Re: I hate console wars.
Post by: tendoboy1984 on March 15, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
Does it really matter who has an early sales lead? It's way too soon to determine a "winner". Last gen everyone thought the PS3 was a failure, but then Sony released the PS3 Slim at a cheaper price and sales rebounded. All these fanboys should just be patient and buy the console they like.
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Post by: Phil on March 15, 2014, 08:36:57 PM
Does it really matter who has an early sales lead? Does it really matter who leads in sales for a generation? No and no. What matters is if each system is delivering games that people can enjoy. The game of "Who Is Winning Sales" is great for immature and juvenile (ironic coming from the guy who just did the dong joke) arguments on message boards by people too emotionally invested in pieces of hardware. This just further cripples the industry from ever being taken seriously. You know when our supposed bastion of quality discussion for gaming is NeoGAF that it's no wonder why gaming is still laughed at by outsiders. Hell, insiders laugh. THAT'S the best we as an industry can do for discussion!?
Console wars are incredibly stupid. It's fine to root for the system you own to get sales, as that is usually what makes developers support a given system (well, not in the Wii's case, really). However, when one crosses the line into calling others names, trolling, and otherwise embarrassing behavior for any fully functioning adult over something like gaming and game consoles, then I have an issue. We should all want the companies that are doing positive things for gaming to do well. I see no intelligent reason to not want that.
Title: Re: I hate console wars.
Post by: tendoboy1984 on March 15, 2014, 08:48:39 PM
Every generation it's the same damn thing.
"Xbox is best!" "PlayStation is best!" "Xbox is selling less so PlayStation automatically wins!" "Xbots can keep their Gaylo and Tears of Whore! PlayStation has more variety."
See how juvenile it all is?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 15, 2014, 09:05:36 PM
Why did you even make this thread? Seriously.
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Post by: Phil on March 15, 2014, 09:45:15 PM
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 15, 2014, 09:55:29 PM
The sales of consoles and games have a tremendous effect on the future of the industry. It's ludicrous to argue they aren't important. Some people read way too much into them, and no one benefits when it's reduced to petty bitching and name-calling, but they do matter and they do have serious consequences.
Title: Re: I hate console wars.
Post by: pokepal148 on March 15, 2014, 11:56:43 PM
I ask the same thing about every other thread he makes
Eventually you learn to just have fun with it.
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Post by: Oblivion on March 16, 2014, 02:51:02 AM
Oh, but when I fucking say something, I get **** on. Whatever.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 16, 2014, 09:48:14 AM
It's worse than movie that is for sure, but then again movies tend to have a universal delivery system that all can enjoy where as video games are a fractured market. Some people cringe at the idea of a single content delivery system for video games but I think if we had that all along it wouldn't be this way, the hardware would improve from time to time but if the industry could make the 3DO/Steam Machine/PS Now models actually work it wouldn't be this way. The reason for the console wars is because there are too many great games spread around to specific hardware.
With movies, an entertainment industry that gets taken seriously, pretty much all major films get at least a limited theatrical release followed by as many home video options as are available. There are some licensing issues for broadcast type services but home video and even cable still provide access to just about every major movie released.
It is not the same with video games, you have Atari making games so you have Mattel making games that are similar but slightly different than Atari and then Nintendo and Sega come along and do the same thing. Then Microsoft and Sony enter the mix and it's the same thing.
It is harder for a game to find it's audience when the experience changes depending on the hardware you have. With films the most change you get is going from SD to HD and FS to WS that's it, the core movie is generally the same. With video games, it's not at all like that, even a game as simple as Pac-Man can be entirely different when played on a system using a Joystick verses a Touch Stylus, vs a D-Pad and the changes are even more apparent when one version of a game can be missing entire segments of the game, such as is the case with Nintendo versions often features or content being missing.
There doesn't need to be a universal company that makes all game players but there should be a standard the three agree on and make their games cross compatible and then do as DVD manufacturers do, differentiate based on price and such, get more manufacturers into the mix and let the MS and Nintendo go software only Sony can spin off their software division to whomever wants it and the industry can unite and grow in a way similar to Hollywood.
NONE of that will ever happen and that is why we have the console war, because deep down it IS what we all want, to buy ONE machine that just plays all games, and since we can't have that we are forced to pick the "winner" because we assume it will get the best games.
STOP bringing up the Wii that is a special case and you know it, it was NOT the market leader between Xbox 360 and PS3 it was in it's own market even Nintendo admits that so deal with it, this whole side talk about how Wii was on top and it lacked support is utter garbage it had sufficient support for the MARKET it was in, it just didn't appeal to US because we were not the target market and bitching about the games that were made for it is stupid because those are the games that sold to that market. It is a different story it's not as cut and dry as three game machines one leads the market its different markets same as why the 3DS is not competing with the PS4 it is competing with the Vita and tablets different markets, like film and TV are different markets or DVD and iTunes.
Title: Re: I hate console wars.
Post by: tendoboy1984 on March 17, 2014, 01:55:06 AM
It's the combination of being more powerful and less expensive and launching at the same time. PS2 and 360 had a year's head start to build market share.
If you buy the camera and a $60 game with the PS4, the price equals that of the Xbox One.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 17, 2014, 02:04:10 AM
The camera is optional, though. I didn't buy one, and I doubt most people who bought a PS4 did. Microsoft doesn't give you a choice. The fact that if you buy a Wii U and all the controllers necessary to play everything in Nintendo Land it costs about the same as an Xbox One doesn't make them the same price.
Title: Re: I hate console wars.
Post by: tendoboy1984 on March 17, 2014, 02:14:38 AM
Wow you read way into my original topic. I was simply saying that all this fanboy arguing over which system is best is ridiculous. PS4 and Xbox One are both great systems that will get plenty of games and developer support. People may have preferences, but one system isn't superior over the other one.
As for the other stuff you said, people don't want one console to rule them all. However, it would be good for game consoles to stop being so proprietary and locked down. Multiple manufacturers can make consoles that all run the same games, and they would all run a standardized OS to ensure cross-compatability. Developers shouldn't have to make different versions of the same game for different consoles.
Look at smartphones and PC's, for example. A Samsung Galaxy can run the same apps as an HTC One; an HP laptop can run the same programs as a Lenovo laptop. The software (OS) controls the experience, not the hardware, and that's how game consoles should be.
Title: Re: I hate console wars.
Post by: tendoboy1984 on March 17, 2014, 02:23:23 AM
The camera is optional, though. I didn't buy one, and I doubt most people who bought a PS4 did. Microsoft doesn't give you a choice. The fact that if you buy a Wii U and all the controllers necessary to play everything in Nintendo Land it costs about the same as an Xbox One doesn't make them the same price.
But you need the camera to broadcast your games, so the viewers can see and hear you. And many people are broadcasting their games on PS4 and Xbox One, proving that those cameras are fairly popular.
Why are people so apprehensive about having a camera on a game console? Nobody freaked out this much when the PS Eye and original Kinect were out. And before you mention 'privacy concerns', remember that your smartphone also has a camera. Oh no, the government is spying on us, blah blah blah.
The point is, Microsoft included the Kinect with the Xbox One for the same reason that Nintendo included the GamePad with the Wii U; to ensure mass market adoption and to enhance the user experience. Controlling my Xbox One with voice commands is so intuitive, and I love broadcasting gameplay through Twitch.
One more thing, if you don't like having a camera with the system, you don't have to use it. You can enable privacy settings to ensure the Kinect never listens to you in the background. I don't use the TV functions on the Xbox One or Wii U, but I'm not pissed that they were included. They're simply extra features for people that want them.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 17, 2014, 02:37:43 AM
I'm not saying the functionality they provide isn't good, but they still add to the price of the console. I'm not necessarily opposed to the camera stuff, and I'm sure the voice command stuff is neat, but $500 is still $500.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on March 17, 2014, 03:15:23 AM
True. I don't understand why people say the Xbox One is failing even though there is only a 3 million sales gap between it and the PS4. Yes the PS4 is selling more units at a quicker pace, but that doesn't automatically mean the Xbox One is a failure. The Xbox One is selling much better than the Wii U, so there's something to consider.
People tend to forget about what happened last gen... PS3 had slow initial sales and a higher price, but when Sony released the cheaper PS3 Slim model it quickly caught up to the 360. The point is, short-term success means nothing when this generation will last for at least 6 years.
Does it really matter who is "winning"? Both Xbox One and PS4 are selling well, and they are both getting plenty of games from all the 3rd-party developers. What's with all the fanboy hate?
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 17, 2014, 03:54:37 PM
Opinions matter a lot and if you don't get why people get worked up about mere opinion you're either on the popular side of the opinion or have never been in a situation where having the less popular opinion affected you. My friend always complains that if they release a new chocolate bar that he likes it will inevitably get taken off the market after only a few years. You know why? Because not enough other people shared his opinion in the chocolate bar. Your favourite show get cancelled? It's because you singular opinion meant dick and not enough other people liked it for it to continue. We're all voting with our wallet and just like how your political candidate doesn't get elected if you're the only person who votes for him, your favourite things don't get made if not enough people share your opinion.
So the console wars DO matter and it makes a lot of sense for people to get worked up about it. The Wii U ain't doing so well. For any Nintendo fan that sucks. This might be Nintendo's last console or it might be what convinces Nintendo to go in a new direction that you don't like or maybe it's the beginning of the end for them as a videogame company or a company PERIOD. Not enough people having the same opinion as you will end up negatively impacting you so damn right you want people to buy the games you like on the console you like. You want your tastes to influence the industry. Some people can approach this in a mature way and some can't. Some can't even conceptualize why they have the opinion they have or the whole thing is just based on irrational emotion so there IS no real argument they can make so they resort to insults and acting like an ass.
If you don't care it's probably because you have not yet been affected by rooting for the "wrong" team. Or videogames aren't important enough for you to really care. But if they matter to you, it makes sense why some people act like lunatics. If your team doesn't "win" then they might cease to exist.
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Post by: Ceric on March 17, 2014, 05:15:38 PM
A good example of opinion effecting reality much more than it should is the Stock Market.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 18, 2014, 06:28:00 PM
It's a scary day when Ian Sane makes the best (if hypocritical) point in a thread...
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 18, 2014, 08:35:39 PM
Wow you read way into my original topic. I was simply saying that all this fanboy arguing over which system is best is ridiculous. PS4 and Xbox One are both great systems that will get plenty of games and developer support. People may have preferences, but one system isn't superior over the other one.
As for the other stuff you said, people don't want one console to rule them all. However, it would be good for game consoles to stop being so proprietary and locked down. Multiple manufacturers can make consoles that all run the same games, and they would all run a standardized OS to ensure cross-compatability. Developers shouldn't have to make different versions of the same game for different consoles.
Look at smartphones and PC's, for example. A Samsung Galaxy can run the same apps as an HTC One; an HP laptop can run the same programs as a Lenovo laptop. The software (OS) controls the experience, not the hardware, and that's how game consoles should be.
PC's are not the same though they DO play the same games! that was my point. The hardware can be different but if all the games were compatible it would lead to games being more widely accepted again look at Hollywood, it CAN be done and YES it is what people want even if they don't understand it. But if you HATE console wars why would you of all people be against a single platform obviously YOU benefit from the console war because you chose a console that is not popular. I think it just says more about you than the topic at hand.
it is still a valid point but the problem is there hasn't been a united place to release games for over a decade. Back when they were new they did work just like Hollywood, video games were released in Arcades, much like movies were in Theaters, and then they were ported to consoles AND PC's. The problem was that by the time Playstation came along people didn't care about Arcades anymore and that business model fell to the way side and things got more divided then ever before.
Bringing up tablets has NOTHING to do with my argument and is a damn cop out.
You misunderstood what I was saying based on your reply so I will try again. DO you own a DVD player? Or a Blu Ray Player? Guess what that is what video games SHOULD be like and what every gamer deep down wants, the problem is that nobody wants to work together to do it right. It doesn't mean ONE company makes the box and everyone agrees to make games for it. Cell Phones and tablets and PC's are entirely different technologies and have no bearing on this topic at all.
I don't care enough to keep going so you didn't get it fine by me.
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The software (OS) controls the experience, not the hardware, and that's how game consoles should be.
**** man that is EXACTLY what I was saying how the hell did you miss that?
Title: Re: I hate console wars.
Post by: pokepal148 on March 18, 2014, 10:14:15 PM
