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Title: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: Patchkid15 on October 01, 2013, 04:03:45 PM

UPDATE:  Off-TV Play in Wii Mode, along with USB keyboard support added in the update.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/35571

UPDATE: The Wii U Firmware update added new enhancements to the system. Wii Games can now be played on the GamePad, though you still need to control the games with Wii Remotes, etc., and Wii games now can output Dolby Pro Logic II. The console will also now be able to automatically download software from Nintendo. Support for USB keyboards was made available and PDF files can be viewed using the web browser. There were also some minor changes including the use of headsets in Wii U Chat, among other small updates.

The rumored system update for the Wii U is now live and available for download. Estimates on the download size are placing it over the 600 megabyte mark.

The update arrives the night before a Nintendo Direct presentation scheduled for tomorrow morning at 10am ET / 7pm PT. 

We are currently downloading the update ourselves and will keep you posted with additional details as our downloads finish, and we discover what is within the update.

Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: Razorkid on September 30, 2013, 09:14:22 PM
I love that it does it automatically when shutdown.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: Shaymin on September 30, 2013, 09:44:58 PM
You can use the Gamepad for Wii games - can't use the Gamepad controls as it mirrors the TV, but I was playing Blades of Steel and Xenoblade while watching Raw.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: Soren on September 30, 2013, 09:50:41 PM
Quote from: Shaymin on September 30, 2013, 09:44:58 PM
You can use the Gamepad for Wii games - can't use the Gamepad controls...


Can't get any more half-assed than that.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: UncleBob on September 30, 2013, 10:03:53 PM
I could never figure out why it didn't do that from the start.  I mean, I understand not letting you use the GamePad controls... but mirroring the feed to the GamePad seems like such a silly thing.

Tell me that Nintendo Network menu isn't about a unified account system.

I'm frantically reloading the update screen on my 3DS to see if there's an update for it.

*edit* although, that takes away one of the main reasons to pay to upgrade your Wii VC titles...
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 30, 2013, 10:17:04 PM
But what is in it?
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: UncleBob on September 30, 2013, 10:20:08 PM
Right now, just general settings.  You have to enter your password for your Nintendo Network account, which is stored server-side, then it loads a page with some settings options.  This entire app is on-line based (my internet is being crabby tonight and it wouldn't let me in to anything until I launched my WiFi Hot Spot)...
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: azeke on September 30, 2013, 10:25:01 PM
Wow! Now you can post scrreenshots from the ddirrectly from, withoutt MiiVerse! And in native resolution, too!
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: Soren on September 30, 2013, 10:27:53 PM
Version 4.0.0 U, available via an Internet connection, includes the following improvements:
New Features:A feature to output video and sound to the Wii U GamePad when using Wii Mode¹ (http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/wiiu/en_na/system_system_update.jsp#foot1)Users can choose to output to the TV and GamePad, or just the TVA feature to automatically receive recommended software and demo titles from Nintendo using SpotPassSupport for USB keyboardsAn option to disable use of a Nintendo Network ID on non-Nintendo hardware, such as PCs and smartphonesSupport for Dolby® Pro Logic® II Surround Sound when playing Wii softwareChanges to Wii U Menu:Added a friend list icon to the Wii U Menu for easier access to the Friend List
Changes to System Settings:An option to automatically receive recommended software is now available under "Internet"A setting to select which cable outputs sound is available through "TV"Users can choose to output sound through an HDMI cable, non-HDMI cable, or both cables at the same time. Click here (http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/wiiu/en_na/system_audio_video.jsp?menu=how_to&submenu=wup-av-ht-external-speakers) for instructionsA setting to adjust the hourly interval in which standby functions are performed is available under "Power Settings" when Standby Functions are enabled
Changes to Wii U Chat:Added the option to view a friend's profile on Miiverse when sending or receiving a chat requestUsers can now chat using a headset connected to the Wii U GamePad
Changes to Internet Browser:Pressing the R or L Buttons on the Wii U GamePad will skip video playback forward/back a small amount of timeHolding the R Button will speed up video playbackAbility to save username and passwords for websites that require login² (http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/wiiu/en_na/system_system_update.jsp#foot2)Ability to launch the Internet Browser during gameplay and upload screenshotsAdded support for viewing PDF files³ (http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/wiiu/en_na/system_system_update.jsp#foot3)Added features intended for website developers that allow the user to enable developer tools and set user agent
Improvements to system stability and usability:Further improvements to overall system stability and other minor adjustments have been made to enhance the user experience

¹ Wii software displayed on the Wii U GamePad cannot be controlled by the GamePad. This feature only allows Wii software to be displayed on the GamePad. A Wii Remote Plus or Wii Remote is required to play Wii software titles.
² Users can delete saved usernames and passwords from the Internet Browser settings.
³ Sometimes data may not be displayed correctly depending on the size and format of the PDF file. PDF files cannot be saved.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: UncleBob on September 30, 2013, 10:30:14 PM
Interesting about outputting sound from HDMI and/or RCA.  Neat.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: MetalMario2 on September 30, 2013, 10:53:13 PM
Still no folders, eh? Guess we'll have to wait another year or three.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: Soren on September 30, 2013, 11:04:52 PM
Testing the screen grab feature.


(http://i.imgur.com/kvS3BZy.jpg)
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: IssunZX on September 30, 2013, 11:39:03 PM
Kinda bummed the ability to use the Wii menu on the Gamepad doesn't allow me to use the controls. While I get the logic behind it, it'd be nice for games like Xenoblade or basically anything that can use the Classic Controller (being that the face buttons are the same and all).

I'd like to try out the screengrab feature too once I figure out how it works...
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: ShyGuy on September 30, 2013, 11:43:49 PM
I tested the screengrab feature with Photobucket. You start the game, hit the home menu, open the browser, goto your desired image host and when you choose "browse for files" it gives you the TV or gamepad screenshots to upload.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: leahsdad on September 30, 2013, 11:45:23 PM
Quote from: Soren on September 30, 2013, 09:50:41 PM
Quote from: Shaymin on September 30, 2013, 09:44:58 PM
You can use the Gamepad for Wii games - can't use the Gamepad controls...


Can't get any more half-assed than that.

Well, it's not COMPLETELY unjustified....the gamepad cannot substitute for pointer controls.   At best, it can substitute as a classic controller, but not all Wii games support classic controller (maybe most don't?).
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: Seacor on September 30, 2013, 11:52:04 PM
For those trying to post screen shots to imgur.com, use the mobile URL.  The Wii U browser is not fully compatible with the standard site.  Your upload status will be pended "forever".  After 30 minutes of pended uploads, I visited the mobile site and the image uploaded with no issues.

m.imgur.com > click the cloud icon in top right of screen > click device icon > choose your image > click start upload


(http://i.imgur.com/YBGvZv9.jpg)
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: Seacor on October 01, 2013, 12:23:42 AM
You can also now post screen shots directly to Twitter, Facebook and Tumblr (as you can with 3DS).  From the Wii U browser, visit i.nintendo.net/wiiu
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: CaptainK.923 on October 01, 2013, 12:26:11 AM
One fantastic addition I noticed is that the aspect ratio on Wii VC games is automatically corrected now. NES games look perfect in Wii mode (still look awful in Wii U mode) and they're automatically formatted in their original aspect ratios! (Before the update, Wii VC games stretched to fit widescreen TVs.) I have no idea why they went to the trouble to fix this minor issue, but I couldn't be happier that they did. I have a ton of VC stuff that's suddenly much more playable.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live 
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 01, 2013, 12:59:45 AM
Playing wii games on the pad=cool. I'm one step closer to hauling thewiiu into the bedroom.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: broodwars on October 01, 2013, 01:45:03 AM
I just got home so I haven't done the update yet, but it sounds like an awful lot of nearly-useless features. Yeah, it's good that you can now view Wii games on the GamePad, but without GamePad controller support it seems fairly useless (not to mention cumbersome if you don't have the Wii U stand).  As for the rest of the features, I have no use for them.

Hopefully after this update, my Wii U will actually load screens faster, as some on Twitter have alleged to have seen because the UI is so ****ing slow right now.  It's also somewhat hilarious that the Vita's UI continues to be infinitely superior to the Wii U's while it continues to have folders while the Wii U does not.  ;)
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: Oblivion on October 01, 2013, 04:14:47 AM
Of COURSE you have something to bitch about. :D
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: broodwars on October 01, 2013, 04:40:25 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 01, 2013, 04:14:47 AM
Of COURSE you have something to bitch about. :D

I'll never understand why game systems don't just HAVE folders at the system's launch these days. Seriously, I think Nintendo already figured this out on the 3DS by the time the Wii U launched, & Sony figured it out on the Vita not longer afterwards. Why does the Wii U not have them by now?

As for the update, I updated my Wii U and have seen no discernible improvement in access times outside of time to return to the OS from Miiverse, which is now nearly instant. Everything else takes just about as long to load as it did before, and as that's my main issue with the Wii U's sloppy OS this update really didn't do much for me.  In fact, the load times are still so obscene that the eShop now has a little slot machine mini-game that plays on the load screen while you wait. Still, if I want to balance the Gamepad on my knees alongside my Wiimote while I have the classic controller in my hands, I can now play Chrono Trigger in Off-Screen play. Hoo-****ing-ray.  ::)
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: Oblivion on October 01, 2013, 04:55:32 AM
Or you can stop complaining an pay the small fee to get it upgraded so you don't need to do that. :D


Or you can buy this controller and not have to worry about carrying around two controllers to play.  http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Controller-Wii-Nintendo-U-6304900/dp/B009D4O0FK/ref=pd_sim_vg_3
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: Miyamoto on October 01, 2013, 07:06:59 AM
You can now play Wii games on the Game Pad, YES!!! great job Nintendo, sure this should've been available at the start but thanks for finally getting there... What? you haven't finished? What's that? I can use the Game Pad screen but none on the controls? I still have to use a Wii remote / Classic controller for input? LULZ, Nintendo I take my hat off to  you. Your trollery truly is something to behold.



Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: StrikerObi on October 01, 2013, 08:20:43 AM
It makes sense that games with pointer controls would obviously still require you to play with a Wiimote, but not being able to play VC games or other games that use the classic controller really sucks. With any luck (yeah, right) they will eventually patch in support for that. The issue right now is that Wii Mode reboots the system to run the actual Wii OS, which cannot see the GamePad as a controller (or as a display). They must have gone into the Wii OS and actually patched it to be able to see the GamePad as a display. Hopefully they will eventually patch it again to allow GamePad controls. I'm not holding my breath, though. Perhaps we'll hear something about that in today's Nintendo Direct, as I'm sure it will go over the update.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: Adrock on October 01, 2013, 08:43:24 AM
I don't see Nintendo patching again to allow GamePad controls in Wii Mode. That's one of the main advantages of upgrading VC games. Nintendo won't give that for free if they're trying to sell people on upgrading.

I'm still hoping Nintendo just gets rid of Wii Mode altogether and lets us boot Wi games directly from the Wii U menu. Not sure that will happen, but a girl can dream...
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: StrikerObi on October 01, 2013, 08:59:47 AM
Quote from: Adrock on October 01, 2013, 08:43:24 AM
I'm still hoping Nintendo just gets rid of Wii Mode altogether and lets us boot Wi games directly from the Wii U menu. Not sure that will happen, but a girl can dream...

I don't see that ever happening either. The system is literally rebooting as a Wii when it is in Wii Mode. If you know you want to play a Wii game, you can boot directly into Wii Mode from power-on.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: Adrock on October 01, 2013, 09:33:02 AM
I think Nintendo can do it; I'm not sure they ever will. Is it worth the trouble to make backwards compatibility friendlier? No, not when Wii U can use their full attention, but it sure would be nice.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: NeoThunder on October 01, 2013, 12:38:39 PM
so does this mean we can play VC games in Wii mode on the gamepad?
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on October 01, 2013, 05:27:47 PM
I'm really happy to see the Wii Mode output to GamePad, but it stinks that you HAVE to have the TV on and using the Wii U in order to launch Wii Mode.  My family was watching TV all night last night while the Wii U was updating.  When the update finished, I excitedly went to launch Wii Mode to test out the new feature, only to be told that if the TV wasn't displaying the Wii U at the time you launch Wii Mode, that it couldn't launch the mode at all.  Seems like such a small thing, but now I have to hijack the TV for 2 seconds and then give it back which is just dumb.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: Leo13 on October 01, 2013, 05:43:21 PM
Yes I played Super Mario 3 last night on my gamepad with a wii remote
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: Leo13 on October 01, 2013, 05:45:03 PM
Quote from: NWR_DrewMG on October 01, 2013, 05:27:47 PM
I'm really happy to see the Wii Mode output to GamePad, but it stinks that you HAVE to have the TV on and using the Wii U in order to launch Wii Mode.  My family was watching TV all night last night while the Wii U was updating.  When the update finished, I excitedly went to launch Wii Mode to test out the new feature, only to be told that if the TV wasn't displaying the Wii U at the time you launch Wii Mode, that it couldn't launch the mode at all.  Seems like such a small thing, but now I have to hijack the TV for 2 seconds and then give it back which is just dumb.

Actually if you hold the B button while booting the Wii U it'll go right into Wii mode. I did it last night.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 01, 2013, 06:40:23 PM
Quote from: Adrock on October 01, 2013, 09:33:02 AM
I think Nintendo can do it; I'm not sure they ever will. Is it worth the trouble to make backwards compatibility friendlier? No, not when Wii U can use their full attention, but it sure would be nice.

If someone could make the Dolphin emulator play Wii & GC games on my home computer with chips and graphic processors that are nothing like what was in the Wii/GC, then I'm sure Nintendo can make Wii games play on the Wii U w/o booting into the archaic Wii mode.

They just won't because they like to nickel and dime us, and they often lack the foresight to not create obstacles that are more trouble than their worth to overcome later on. This is why we often get into the cycle of stupid workarounds.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: Cyrian on October 01, 2013, 07:06:19 PM
Do these updates delete material from older updates that's no longer relevant? At file sizes this big it won't be long before people with Basic systems run out of room for updates. =/
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: azeke on October 01, 2013, 10:03:23 PM
Quote from: Cyrian on October 01, 2013, 07:06:19 PM
Do these updates delete material from older updates that's no longer relevant? At file sizes this big it won't be long before people with Basic systems run out of room for updates. =/
I'm a proud Basic owner, and my free space on internal hard drive hasn't decreased severely after the patch. It's was about 2–3 Gbs and stayed that way. Usually when you update OS it overwtites system files instead addingnew ones.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: yoshi1001 on October 01, 2013, 11:32:09 PM
Played some Wii games on the Game Pad today (Wario Land Shake It, Super Mario Galaxy, and Super Mario RPG). Have to say, they looked good and played well. Considering the lack of titles, it's really a shame this wasn't here earlier-it's a halfway-decent selling point.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: Leo13 on October 02, 2013, 01:20:35 AM
I agree with yoshi I'm now more willing to buy wii VC games instead of waiting
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: King Bowser Koopa on October 02, 2013, 04:29:19 AM
There are a few changes in particular that I really like from this update - the ability to see the amount of data downloaded for eShop titles next to the progress bar, eg. 18mb/22mb
I also like the fact that the friends list is now accessible from the main menu instead of the home button menu, it's much more straightforward.

I don't know how I feel about the new eShop music, though. I'd just gotten familiar enough with the old one to find myself humming along as I browsed the VC titles.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: Leo13 on October 02, 2013, 11:31:32 AM
What I want to know is what happens when I win the line up game that's going on while the eShop loads.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: Caliban on October 03, 2013, 12:24:45 AM
Quote from: NeoThunder on October 01, 2013, 12:38:39 PM
so does this mean we can play VC games in Wii mode on the gamepad?

Yes. Played some Faxanadu yesterday.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on October 03, 2013, 10:52:39 AM
Quote from: Leo13 on October 01, 2013, 05:45:03 PM
Actually if you hold the B button while booting the Wii U it'll go right into Wii mode. I did it last night.

When I do this while the TV is not tuned into the Wii U, I get a message on the GamePad stating that Wii Mode cannot launch, and that the TV must be on and displaying the Wii U before Wii Mode starts. 

There is literally no way for me to get into Wii Mode unless I have the TV on and showing the Wii U.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: Leo13 on October 03, 2013, 11:08:36 AM
That's odd I wonder why
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on October 03, 2013, 08:55:52 PM
Is your Wii U hooked up via Component or HDMI?
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: Leo13 on October 04, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
Mine? HDMI
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on October 04, 2013, 10:29:00 AM
Mine too.  I read somewhere that if you go into the Wii U settings and switch your display from "HDMI" to "Non HDMI" than my error goes away.

I tried it, and it worked. 
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: Mop it up on October 05, 2013, 03:04:38 PM
YES FINALLY I can connect the Wii U sound to my stereo. I guess it hasn't been long enough to say "finally" since I've had it for like a week, but still, it really bugged me.
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on October 06, 2013, 11:40:32 AM
I'm really struggling to make off-screen Wii playing useful.  It just seems like I have to lie the gamepad in an awkward position since I can't use the controls on that.  That takes a good deal of the fun since I'm in an uncomfortable position.  Anybody been able to make a decent set-up? 


Jokingly, I keep thinking of a virtual boy type device where the game pad is attached to my head. 
Title: Re: New Wii U Firmware Update Live
Post by: broodwars on October 06, 2013, 12:57:22 PM
Quote from: smallsharkbigbite on October 06, 2013, 11:40:32 AM
I'm really struggling to make off-screen Wii playing useful.  It just seems like I have to lie the gamepad in an awkward position since I can't use the controls on that.  That takes a good deal of the fun since I'm in an uncomfortable position.  Anybody been able to make a decent set-up?

If you really must use that feature, I suggest you set up something like a coffee table or nightstand in front of you and set the Gamepad on it in its charging cradle (if you have one. I'm assuming you got the Deluxe). That'll hold the Gamepad in a fixed position so you can free up your hands for using the Wii's controls.  That's just about the only way I can think of to make off-screen Wii play without GamePad controls remotely useful.