Community Forums => I'M BACK => Topic started by: UncleBob on July 03, 2013, 09:04:36 PM
Title: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 03, 2013, 09:04:36 PM
So... What were some of the details on these past cases? Like, can you remember specific companies involved? Defendants? Any specific game titles?
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: pokepal148 on July 03, 2013, 09:47:41 PM
i think its safe to say if you can't get an answer after asking the question 17 times those details can be found in his (http://img.pandawhale.com/46238-Spongebob-imagination-gif-ikhI.gif)
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 03, 2013, 09:54:22 PM
I'm simply trying to give him plenty of opportunity to provide an answer. I really would like to read up on these cases.
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Post by: Shaymin on July 03, 2013, 10:05:45 PM
I sense my presence will be required in this thread and I have no idea why.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 03, 2013, 10:33:05 PM
I have no idea what this is about...but I like it.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 03, 2013, 10:37:44 PM
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 03, 2013, 11:11:47 PM
For the love of god, you know damn well he's not going to admit he was wrong, and no one here needs to be convinced that he's a pompous know-it-all ass, so really all you're doing is annoying the rest of us.
It's like piracy. TJ Spyke is a dirty rotten pirate, and UncleBob, the moderator/publisher, is trying to stop him, but the measures he's taking aren't stopping TJ Spyke from being a horrible poster, and are only serving to interfere with normal, law abiding forum members.
What I'm basically saying is that UncleBob=EA.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 03, 2013, 11:21:20 PM
Amazing stuff. I better make sure not to record any videos of my kids playing with Nintendo toys or riding their bikes and put them on YouTube, or TJ will attack me for copyright infringement. I'll get scared when he says people have been sued for doing that and swiftly take down my videos.
If only there was some kind of online encyclopedia that would have links to information about what is Fair Use and what is not, maybe citing court cases if there are any...some type of encyclopedia where people could find new information and add it, like a wiki. Do you think TJ knows any sites like that?
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 03, 2013, 11:23:07 PM
Insanolord=Zynga?
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 03, 2013, 11:33:59 PM
Yeah but EA is the Zynga of UncleBobs
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: oohhboy on July 04, 2013, 01:17:47 AM
His ego must be crushed so we can rebuild it into something that is tolerable. Let the campaign begin!
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Post by: Oblivion on July 04, 2013, 01:19:17 AM
I like how Insanso said that TJ of all people was a pirate.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: pokepal148 on July 04, 2013, 01:27:00 AM
so who was it that gave me the advice to "agree to disagree" (in reference to Tj no less)? :D :D
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 04, 2013, 02:05:09 AM
I'm not disagreeing with him. I'm asking for more information regarding his statement.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: oohhboy on July 04, 2013, 02:28:31 AM
I would love to see what he comes up with since I am pretty sick and tried of him making baseless assertions, not putting up and running away. Not forgetting the constant strawmanning, deflections, selective reading, context hiding and the bloody worse of all "Because TJ said so".
**** that noise.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: Dasmos on July 04, 2013, 04:01:13 AM
I like how you guys are making a big deal out of what was a hideously boring argument to begin with.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: Morari on July 04, 2013, 08:19:50 PM
You must be kidding yourself, he has always been like this.
Lolz
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: pokepal148 on July 06, 2013, 10:59:28 PM
to be fair I'm pretty bad with strawmans as well but I don't get into many debates anymore (if i do i usually pull out when I can) because I already have a bad rep around here,
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: MukiDA on July 06, 2013, 11:02:10 PM
I'm just putting this out there, like, as a point of discussion, but are any of us lawyers?
Heck, are any of us paralegals?
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: pokepal148 on July 06, 2013, 11:05:54 PM
unclebob is a self proclaimed armchair lawyer :D
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 07, 2013, 12:56:30 AM
You must be kidding yourself, he has always been like this.
This.
But this goes beyond that. I'm not even asking TJ to back up his opinion or to prove someone else's opinion wrong.
TJ came into thread and stated "facts". These "facts" were supposed to be based off of "past cases". I'm asking for details - any details - about these "past cases".
I'm merely asking TJ to provide the information that he claims he read.
For a guy who pops into any assortment of threads and adds little facts, details or corrections that he says he doesn't get off of Wikipedia, he should be able to provide *something* about these cases he read about.
That's all I'm asking for.
If these cases really do exist, I'd like to read more about them. If they don't exist, then TJ should just come forward and say "They don't exist."
And seriously, if I wanted to really pick on TJ, I'd point out the irony in him giving his uneducated (as in no legal schooling) opinion on the legality of something and expecting anyone to agree with him, then saying that the article that oohhboy provided shouldn't mean anything because it's just the opinions of someone who doesn't know anything about copyright law... then, when it's pointed out that the individual is very educated in copyright law and has fought several cases, well, the opinion still shouldn't count because even Supreme Court Justices can't agree on what's legal. Or something.
But I didn't point that out - because I just want him to provide the factual information that he said he read about so that I can read it as well.
For example, when I talked about a specific case, I actually gave details from a specific case (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=42067.msg800428#msg800428). I did this because I respect my fellow peers here on NWR well enough that if they actually want to read up on it, then I'm giving them enough information to do so. I'm not just going to sit back and expect anyone to just blindly take my word for it.
Back to these "past cases" - I haven't been able to find anything and I'm surprised that none of the articles that have ran on any of the gaming sites that I've read since the initial story broke even referenced them. Now, current gaming media is... lackluster to say the best, but it's odd that not even the comments sections anywhere seem to specifically reference any past cases.
Therefore, I'm relying on TJ - as the only person who seems aware of the situation *and* has knowledge of these "past cases" to share his information to such a point to where I can do my own reading and research on them. It's not unreasonable.
And if they don't exist, then all that needs to be said is "They don't exist."
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: Morari on July 09, 2013, 10:21:36 AM
We should set up a timer. If he doesn't come forward with the sources in time, he's perma-banned. It's a win-win!
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: Stogi on July 09, 2013, 10:23:43 AM
This is just....petty.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 09, 2013, 10:32:53 AM
Wanting to read more about the "past cases" that TJ is citing is petty?
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Post by: oohhboy on July 09, 2013, 10:50:17 AM
The another option is to go on a hate and shame campaign until TJ never shows up again. It would be fun as hell, but be considered To Fartm and would never get our answers.
Mind you, we have been through this cycle several times already where TJ gets himself in an indefensible position, we call him on it. Instead of backing down like a normal person he doubles down, it blows up in his face and we get left with the clean up bill.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: EasyCure on July 09, 2013, 07:42:29 PM
damn!
I ran out of popcorn..
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: nickmitch on July 09, 2013, 07:52:39 PM
Wanting to read more about the "past cases" that TJ is citing is petty?
No, making a thread about it is.
If Spyke were a troll, this thread would me that he won.
*If* Spyke were a troll, then he can come in and declare victory. Or stay out of here and never provide an answer.
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he's not a troll and that he was telling the truth about the "past cases" he was basing his opinion off of.
Are you saying that I shouldn't have given him the benefit of the doubt and just declared him a troll?
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: nickmitch on July 09, 2013, 10:28:50 PM
I honestly can't tell if this is still a joke.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 09, 2013, 10:56:57 PM
I dunno... is it joke to think that TJ was telling the truth and might not be a troll?
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: nickmitch on July 10, 2013, 09:09:39 PM
Ok, I can tell now. Thanks.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 10, 2013, 10:27:02 PM
Okay, I'll admit - at this point, it's just mean spirited. It's obvious that either TJ has nothing or he has zero interest in having an open conversation.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 11, 2013, 12:00:25 AM
Didn't he already admit that he couldn't find any of the "cases" he made up in his head cited as sources?
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 11, 2013, 12:03:39 AM
He merely said he was "having trouble finding" the cases. Which is pretty understandable - so I asked for any details he could offer, like names of games, developers or anything, so that I could try and research these cases myself.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: nickmitch on July 11, 2013, 08:49:35 PM
Yeah, that's all you did.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 11, 2013, 08:56:08 PM
...Yeah? I provided him with multiple opportunities to answer as well.
You tell me - what would have been the better route:
A) Simply assume TJ was providing accurate and honest information when he cited "past cases", even though he has shown to have issues understanding and relaying what he's read in the past?
B) Just ignore TJ and not even attempt to have a conversation with him?
C) Call him out as a liar on the spot and not give him a chance to provide the information he may have?
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: nickmitch on July 11, 2013, 09:22:47 PM
D) Ask him twice, then tell him (politely) that you can't accept his stance as he's unable to cite his sources and then not make a thread about.
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Post by: oohhboy on July 11, 2013, 09:34:53 PM
We did. Not only that, but we countered with sources to which he had no answer to other than his usual asinine routine. Quite frankly I think I was too polite about it given the BS he pulls.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 11, 2013, 09:40:11 PM
So, basically, "B".
And for the record, I originally only asked him three times. I first asked him to cite the cases (that's one), where he then claimed he was having trouble finding them. I questioned him on the fact that he couldn't cite the cases (that's two), to which he again reiterated that he couldn't find them and was going off memory. So, giving him the benefit of the doubt, I then asked him for any details he could remember about the cases (that's three) - because, why would you remember the outcome of a case, but not remember something like who was involved or what it was over? TJ then responded to a lengthy post that was made after mine by another member - and made no effort to address my simple question asking for clarification on his claim about the existence of previous cases.
I *could* have let it go then. A bigger man probably would have. But this is after, multiple times in that very thread, that TJ just skipped over any points he just couldn't say something against.
Like when I asked about CurtDogg's Backlogg. TJ said that was different, because he/NWR isn't making money on it. I pointed out that they were, because they're making money from ads on the site where it's shown. TJ then said *that* was different, because CD/NWR is making money on ads from the advertising company - which is "a shady area, but not as bad as the LP." I pointed out that making money from ads is the EXACT SAME THING that LP's do and the ENTIRE basis of this whole deal between Nintendo/YouTube/Let's Players.
TJ then continues to try and make his argument, but makes ZERO effort to address his VERY ON contradiction. Doesn't even acknowledge it.
Now, *that* is based on his opinion. So, whatever - TJ has a conflicting opinion about something. It's his opinion and his right to do so. Even if it makes no sense.
But when TJ started citing facts from these "past cases", then I should have the right to question him. If he's going to present historical data as a fact to back up his opinion, then he should have to let everyone see that same historical data. Who knows, I might read it and agree with him! I mean, we're talking about the outcome of a court case, after all. Not much to debate there.
If you say "Dude, don't eat that Big Mac. It sucks.", then I'm not going to press you too much on your opinion. If you say "Dude, don't eat that Big Mac! McDonald's uses ground up babies for the meat!", then yes, I'm going to press you for some kind of evidence.
Now, mind you, this is all after TJ came on here, calling someone just flat out crude and horrible names because he misread an article she wrote - and still hasn't apologized for it or admitted that he was wrong (in fact, I think he's still under the belief that he's in the right about that).
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: nickmitch on July 11, 2013, 10:17:43 PM
We did. Not only that, but we countered with sources to which he had no answer to other than his usual asinine routine. Quite frankly I think I was too polite about it given the BS he pulls.
You did a much better job than normal. To be honest, sometimes I feel like you respond to TJ's asshatery with bullying, but definitely not this time.
U-Bob, what happened after the first three times? What about this whole thread? At what point have you won, and it's enough?
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 11, 2013, 10:26:05 PM
I *could* have let it go then. A bigger man probably would have. But this is after, multiple times in that very thread, that TJ just skipped over any points he just couldn't say something against.
Besides, it's not about "winning". I'm not trying to "win" - there's no prizes involved, so to "win" would be pointless.
I just want the truth from TJ. Is that too much to ask for? Seriously - no jokes here. Nickmitch, do you think I'm seriously asking for too much when I ask that TJ tell the truth about his claims?
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: nickmitch on July 11, 2013, 11:16:19 PM
No, I just think you're doing too much to get the response you're looking for. There was a point where you knew you were right, knew TJ wasn't going to admit fault, but you kept going. You stopped being reasonable a while back.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 11, 2013, 11:32:31 PM
I never claimed I was being reasonable. :D
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Post by: Oblivion on July 12, 2013, 12:42:00 AM
Nope, just a douchebag.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 12, 2013, 01:08:23 AM
Takes one to know one. /me sticks his fingers in his ears, waves his fingers and spits out a raspberry.
Yeah, that's how mature we've gotten at this point.
Although, I'm really amused that it makes me a douchbag to give TJ multiple chances to support what he claimed. Perhaps I should have just posted something like "my god TJSpyke, you are so annoying (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=41023.msg785051#msg785051)". Or I could just wait for him to get banned again, then celebrate the fact that he's banned (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=41732.msg795889#msg795889). In a topic where everyone is simply trying to be nice to me.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: Oblivion on July 12, 2013, 01:10:08 AM
You could just, you know, fucking drop it and act your age. At this point he's being more mature about it than you are.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 12, 2013, 01:15:20 AM
Remind me again who butted into this thread for the singular purpose of name calling and causing trouble?
Yet again?
I'm quite fine being an immature, honest man. Honest being the key word there.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: Oblivion on July 12, 2013, 01:41:25 AM
I don't care what I'm doing. What I do care how much of a dick you are being to TJ when he doesn't deserve it.
Especially since you're the one with the power here... you are a disgrace.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: UncleBob on July 12, 2013, 02:17:18 AM
A) Worry more about yourself and less about others. B) You've said yourself, I have no real power. C) TJ made a fairly outrageous claim, I asked for clarification. He's had multiple chances to step up. D) Worry more about yourself and less about others.
Title: Re: Umm... Hey, TJ....
Post by: Crimm on July 12, 2013, 04:13:38 PM
