Gaming Forums => General Gaming => Topic started by: shingi_70 on May 27, 2013, 11:14:05 AM
Title: Which of the Next Gen console UI's stand out to you the most.
Post by: shingi_70 on May 27, 2013, 11:14:05 AM
So while the PS4 and One are still around six months out we've seen alittle bit of what the OS ui is going to look like compared too The Wii U system UI. Wii U (http://i.imgur.com/U6SqFTP.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/jvfzjYT.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/cqL0OFM.jpg)
PlayStation 4 (http://i.imgur.com/f7l9q8G.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DXMwVMS.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/KCQMwnp.jpg) Xbox One (http://i.imgur.com/MjLNAOC.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/acgznzT.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Hazl13n.jpg)
So which one appeals to you most. I think the One's OS looks the best to me taking the best of Metro with simplicity I would imagine coming from xmb. I also appreciate the multiple hubs for so the Base home screen and navigation isn't as bad. I'm glad they decided to rework the smartglass app since its Native to the OS now. The first smartglass app is good but it pretty damn ugly if you ask me.
The Wii U OS is what I'd expect from Nintendo to bring their own flair despite people might asscue it of looking a bit fisher price. So far it has the best iconography of the three in my opinion. Anyone have a high res version of the Miiverse logo?
The PS4 is the oddest of the bunch since it doesn't have any real identity or focus. It has the side ways Navigation of the XMB for what looks like all software. But unlike XMB there seems be no folders or any way to separate catagories. Still out of the two new consoles this one seems the most like a mockup and non representive of the actual product its self.
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Post by: azeke on May 27, 2013, 12:43:23 PM
I like the one with the most games.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 27, 2013, 01:05:21 PM
I would have to see how the other two feel before I can say, but looking at the screen shots the PS4 and Xone's look similar in their minimalist tiles.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 27, 2013, 01:14:00 PM
Title: Re: Which of the Next Gen console UI's stand out to you the most.
Post by: Oblivion on May 27, 2013, 05:24:01 PM
I saw half the screen filled with ads for current films. On the home screen.
EDIT: scratch that, it won't have ads for the first few years of its life then the OS will completely change and fill the screen with **** they don't need.
Title: Re: Which of the Next Gen console UI's stand out to you the most.
Post by: shingi_70 on May 27, 2013, 05:42:13 PM
I saw half the screen filled with ads for current films. On the home screen.
EDIT: scratch that, it won't have ads for the first few years of its life then the OS will completely change and fill the screen with **** they don't need.
I thought you meant ad's like the Old spice and WOW ads that are on the current homescreen for 360. I wasn't counting content that can be purchasable on the system.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 27, 2013, 07:53:08 PM
The ads on the UI, to me, betray an unwritten agreement regarding ads. In the old days you bought a radio and a TV and the content was free. It just being broadcast over the air and if you have a device that could grab the signal, you got it for free. But someone needs to pay for these radio and TV shows and that's where advertising came in. The agreement was that our content would have a bunch of annoying ad bullshit in it, in exchange for it being free. We later accepted the same conditions on the internet - I will put up with your ad bullshit if I can access your web site for free.
But I don't get Xbox Live for free or an Xbox console - but I have to put up with ads. Uh, what the ****? That's not the agreement. You're not supposed to get ads for stuff you pay for. And there's the offensive nature of it all. The public and advertisers had a mutual agreement of ads being in exchange for free content. But the advertisers look at it more like "what can we put ads on?!!" as if the whole world is just a big blank canvas for their intrusive bullshit.
My priority for a UI is to get to where I want to go ASAP. I know if I want to play a game or use Netflix or go into the online store before I even turn the system on and if I can't get there immediately with minimal effort your UI SUCKS. However has the best usability:bullshit ratio wins.
The Xbox dashboard looks like the TV in Idiocracy.
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Post by: Oblivion on May 27, 2013, 08:05:08 PM
I saw half the screen filled with ads for current films. On the home screen.
EDIT: scratch that, it won't have ads for the first few years of its life then the OS will completely change and fill the screen with **** they don't need.
I thought you meant ad's like the Old spice and WOW ads that are on the current homescreen for 360. I wasn't counting content that can be purchasable on the system.
It doesn't matter if you can get the content on the system -- it's an ad. It's something thats up screen space for something that isn't the store.
Title: Re: Which of the Next Gen console UI's stand out to you the most.
Post by: shingi_70 on May 27, 2013, 08:25:03 PM
The ads on the UI, to me, betray an unwritten agreement regarding ads. In the old days you bought a radio and a TV and the content was free. It just being broadcast over the air and if you have a device that could grab the signal, you got it for free. But someone needs to pay for these radio and TV shows and that's where advertising came in. The agreement was that our content would have a bunch of annoying ad bullshit in it, in exchange for it being free. We later accepted the same conditions on the internet - I will put up with your ad bullshit if I can access your web site for free.
But I don't get Xbox Live for free or an Xbox console - but I have to put up with ads. Uh, what the ****? That's not the agreement. You're not supposed to get ads for stuff you pay for. And there's the offensive nature of it all. The public and advertisers had a mutual agreement of ads being in exchange for free content. But the advertisers look at it more like "what can we put ads on?!!" as if the whole world is just a big blank canvas for their intrusive bullshit.
My priority for a UI is to get to where I want to go ASAP. I know if I want to play a game or use Netflix or go into the online store before I even turn the system on and if I can't get there immediately with minimal effort your UI SUCKS. However has the best usability:bullshit ratio wins.
The Xbox dashboard looks like the TV in Idiocracy.
But the ad's on the one dashboard will probably be for games avaible on the system. I mean I picked u Call of Juerz Gunstringer because it was on the dashboard and I was itching for more western games after beating Red Dead. I really liked the game and its been getting a lot of press since it came out.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 28, 2013, 08:58:19 AM
I think the cleanest looking UI is Microsoft's Xbox One. However, I think Nintendo's quite appealing. It feels like a game world instead of just a menu system, and I really enjoy the brighter colors and white background to black. I always like white as a background more than black, or some darker color.
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Post by: Ceric on May 28, 2013, 09:09:16 AM
Until I get to use them the Wii U UI while not the slickest looking looks to be able to get me where I want to go fastest. XBox One may but, what we've seen of the PS4's well... I don't know what to think about it. I'm actually a fan of XMB. While not perfect it was easy to navigate for the most part.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 28, 2013, 12:37:00 PM
You're not supposed to get ads for stuff you pay for.
You pay for cable, cable has ads. Internet sites that charge a subscription also has ads. Newspapers and magazines cost money and they have ads. I'ts always been the case that stuff that costs money still have ads.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 28, 2013, 06:26:37 PM
You're not supposed to get ads for stuff you pay for.
You pay for cable, cable has ads. Internet sites that charge a subscription also has ads. Newspapers and magazines cost money and they have ads. I'ts always been the case that stuff that costs money still have ads.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 28, 2013, 06:37:01 PM
poke, you bitter I made a good point? Ian made a claim, I showed him he is wrong, and you reply with nothing more than a GIF you looked 5 seconds for on Google Images.
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Post by: Oblivion on May 28, 2013, 06:49:20 PM
Technically, it was a JPEG.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 28, 2013, 06:54:12 PM
The White Knight of Capitalism is back!
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 28, 2013, 06:56:46 PM
Defending what? Ian said you shouldn't see ads with services you pay for, I was letting him know that it's ALWAY been that way (ads with paid services). That's called defending reality, rather than embracing lies and delusions.
Besides, capitalism is a good thing and I would like you to name a different system that has actually WORKED.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 28, 2013, 06:58:52 PM
Defending what? Ian said you shouldn't see ads with services you pay for, I was letting him know that it's ALWAY been that way (ads with paid services). That's called defending reality, rather than embracing lies and delusions.
Besides, capitalism is a good thing and I would like you to name a different system that has actually WORKED.
Communism, baby!
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 28, 2013, 08:21:11 PM
Defending what? Ian said you shouldn't see ads with services you pay for, I was letting him know that it's ALWAY been that way (ads with paid services). That's called defending reality, rather than embracing lies and delusions.
Besides, capitalism is a good thing and I would like you to name a different system that has actually WORKED.
yes, capitalism is so perfect... (sarcasm)
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 28, 2013, 08:52:28 PM
Um, where did I ever say it is perfect? Nothing is perfect. All I said is that it works, and that it's the only system that has actually worked.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 28, 2013, 09:00:35 PM
Feudalism worked. Mercantilism worked. One day people will look at capitalism the way we look at those.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 28, 2013, 09:07:50 PM
exactly what i tried to say
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 28, 2013, 09:16:14 PM
Feudalism failed after 500 years and is looked at badly (even back then, only the people on top liked it). Mercantilism wasn't a system, it was a policy that some European countries had for a very brief 200 years. Capitalism has evolved, but has essentially been around for 4,000 years. If something has died out, it hardly "worked". Again, what system that could be different has proven to be successful? Capitalism has been around since the 2nd millenium BC, do you really think it's going away anytime soon? The only other system that has had any form of success has been communism, and even that has had to add in more and more elements of capitalism to survive (so it's a mixture of capitalism and communism).
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Post by: nickmitch on May 28, 2013, 09:19:34 PM
It's hard to talk about economic systems without getting in to ones that naturally incorporate a political system. So, back to the actual convo.
Over the air TV was all paid for by ads, I think. And really, I don't think we're paying Disney, NBC, or Viacom. You're paying the cable company who offers was to look at "premium" channels (in HD). But for the most part, you DO pay for TV. It's just not always to the content provider.
I think old TV and radio (aside from satellite radio) are more of outliers in the regard that you get free content without ads. But look at what free online gaming services get you: shittier service. I'd hat to beat the dead horse of the PSN outage, but it's there. Nintendo would be a damn fool to try and charge for the first time they've actually gotten it mostly right.
And from MS's perspective, they probably NEED the revenue. Their first gen was a cash sink hole, and profits had to be had the second time around. Look at Sony, giving free **** and losing money. These companies aren't charities.
However, I do feel like I want my gaming machines to do gaming first a foremost and only try and sell me gaming related things. Intrusive ads for Old Spice or some **** would make me throw a fit. So, I'm in agreement there.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 28, 2013, 09:22:27 PM
Feudalism failed after 500 years and is looked at badly (even back then, only the people on top liked it). Mercantilism wasn't a system, it was a policy that some European countries had for a very brief 200 years. Capitalism has evolved, but has essentially been around for 4,000 years. If something has died out, it hardly "worked". Again, what system that could be different has proven to be successful? Capitalism has been around since the 2nd millenium BC, do you really think it's going away anytime soon? The only other system that has had any form of success has been communism, and even that has had to add in more and more elements of capitalism to survive (so it's a mixture of capitalism and communism).
So something that dominated the western world for centuries can't be considered something that worked simply because it eventually went away? So if and when capitalism gets replaced by something else, as would seem to be historically inevitable, you would then come on here and argue that it never worked?
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Post by: nickmitch on May 28, 2013, 09:24:08 PM
Not if he's been dead for hundreds of years.
Not that you'd care.
Because you will also have been dead for a similarly long time.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 28, 2013, 09:26:52 PM
let me put it this way as much as i love revisionist history
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 28, 2013, 09:34:11 PM
Again, capitalism DOES work. It's not perfect, but it DOES work. I could throw out meaningless crap like you for any economic system (or anarchy) and how they don't work. Capitalism has proven to work better than anything else. Some people abusing that system doesn't mean the system doesn't work.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 28, 2013, 09:40:44 PM
I kinda like the Wii U's UI. The Xbox thing looks too much like it wants to be on a touch screen device (good thing there's Kinect!) and I never liked what Sony had with the PS3, but the PS4 does look better.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 28, 2013, 09:43:24 PM
It's like the old Churchill quote, but with economics instead of political systems. Capitalism is the absolute worst way to structure an economy, except for all the other ways that have been tried.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 28, 2013, 09:47:45 PM
Back on topic, I agree with nickmitch. The Wii U UI looks good. I hated the XMB and the PS4's UI doesn't look much better. I hate the metro design Microsoft is going with for all their systems.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 28, 2013, 09:55:01 PM
I thought the UI Nintendo used on the Wii was great, and the same with the one on the 3DS, and the Wii U's is an extension of both of those. Clean, simple, but effective. Part of that, though, is having the touch screen there, which opens up a lot more possibilities for user interaction than MS and Sony have with just sticks and buttons.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 28, 2013, 09:59:26 PM
With the Wii, Nintendo knew what I had in my hand: a pointer. They designed the UI around me pointing at what I want. That worked. MS is trying to recreate a tablet experience (pretty much across the board) and that doesn't work as well.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 28, 2013, 10:03:33 PM
With the Xbone at least they've got it so everyone has Kinect, and from what I've heard the voice command stuff works pretty well, so they've got that to fall back on.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 28, 2013, 10:10:58 PM
Yeah, but I hate that swipe my hand and then hold it in place then make a fist to select things type of interface. Something about not clicking just irks me so.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 28, 2013, 10:22:34 PM
As a capitalist, I plan to exercise my free market rights and not buy an Xbox One.
As a dirty liberal, I'm surprised Insanolord isn't a bigger supporter of feudalism.
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Post by: MukiDA on June 18, 2013, 03:14:55 AM
I've probably made it moderately clear as to why I'm not getting an Xbox.
I could probably write another wall of texts about why I don't like the way they handle ads. Seriously, a wall. Who knows, I just might. They don't spark off much discussion though, so I'll hold off for now.
The Xbox One has the best interface. By far. Unequivocal. Orders of magnitude better. Etc.
Okay, so let's explain why.
1. Integration. Very few of us own multiple consoles. Probably tons of the people who visit message boards and listen to gaming podcasts, but nationwide, the number is slim (note: old story): http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18107 The thing is, that the television is still used, monumentally, to watch TV, and consoles are encroaching on that. Nintendo and Sony are offering options to offshoot that experience to another screen, and for gamers, that's a boon, but most people won't know about it or care. The Xbox One will basically disappear until it's needed, and I'm not sure enough people understand the impact of that seamless an interface.
2. Wow factor. No question that a bunch of Apple TV's get sold because the word "Apple" is on the box. Likewise, 25 million copies of NSMBW went out the door because "Mario" was one of those letters. This does not in any way invalidate that, much like how Nintendo knows how to make a good fucking game, Apple knows how to make a good fucking interface. The interface on that hockey puck makes pretty much all "Smart TV" sets on the market look like 90's WebTV bullshit.
The thing that most technically-adept people don't understand is the interface divide. For you and I, the interface is PART of a piece of software. It's PART of a device.
To the mass fucking market, the interface IS the device. It comprises every single interaction with the machine they experience. There is nothing to them BUT that interface. And the one on the XB1 is nearly absurd in how brilliantly designed it is.
Every time someone visits a buddy's house to watch the game and they see just how ridiculously seamlessly they go from a commercial break to burning a few minutes in CoD/Halo/Destiny/Battlefield/etc. (I guarantee you, there will be commercial-break-length modes in FPSs inside of a YEAR because of this effect), Microsoft will sell a system. They're going to sell a lot of these systems, price be damned, because of that "wow" effect.
(as a counterpoint, we'll see if the extra $100 and Kinect setup work against them on this point, let alone houses without internet that take this thing home.)
3. Again, that integration. Seriously, you have no idea how powerful it's going to be to know that you can just leave the Xbox One on the primary input, especially for one-system households (see above: this is MOST households). It will almost feel strange to people after a few months to have to ever switch out to another port. Spouses/Family Members/Roomates might not even notice that the Xbox is still one while they're watching TV, unless it's to switch to it for Netflix/Hulu/etc.
Again, I've made it clear, I have (1)zero interest in this console. That said, I think, undoubtedly, if for nothing but the first year, it's going to be WAY out ahead in sales.
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Post by: Ceric on June 18, 2013, 09:47:42 AM
For one, out of the 3 (Well I guess more like 6 since 360 kept changing) UIs from current Gen I have to say I preferred XMB the most. It was clean and relatively fast to get everywhere.
The next Gen so far I'm leaning towards the WiiU. Its clean and relatively fast to select where your going, though not actually get there.
The PS4 Interface I'll have to see more in action. At the moment my opinion is it looks a lot like Facebooks interface which I honestly can't use at all.
The 360 Interface I'm going to have to see more or try it for myself. Its cool that its fast but I'm not sold that it will be as fluid as they made it look in that presentation. I have a Windows Phone and my PC runs Windows 8 since launch. Metro is great on Phone which it was designed for and in Windows 8 they have done a good job of making it so you don't have to use your mouse you just type what you want. Console I'm still not sold on it yet.
