Another kick in the gut for the Wii U. It's only EA so I'm not too bothered, but it says they couldn't get the FB3 working on the Wii U. Makes me wonder if anyone else is having trouble...little worrying.
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Post by: Adrock on May 09, 2013, 10:37:30 AM
So EA still hates Wii U and doesn't want my money. The world goes back to spinning...
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Post by: UltraClayton on May 09, 2013, 11:18:47 AM
I think EA is just being a big baby and is not trying hard enough. If it works on 360/PS3 I can't imagine why it wouldn't work on Wii U. Ubisoft doesn't seem to mind.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on May 09, 2013, 11:25:31 AM
This is actually starting to become comical, lol.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 09, 2013, 11:47:17 AM
EA is having a tough time. The official worst company in America laid off 900 people and are canceling 2013 games like Tiger Woods and NBA Live. The Deadspace franchise is also in a dead space, and they are not publishing another Crysis. They are also canceling there Sims and SimCity facebook games.
EA is cancelling anything that doesn't have a huge profit and not bringing their games to any platform were they won't have a chance to make a huge profit.
This is what happens when you don't cultivate your product line.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on May 09, 2013, 11:51:22 AM
EA is having a tough time. The official worst company in America laid off 900 people and are canceling 2013 games like Tiger Woods and NBA Live. The Deadspace franchise is also in a dead space, and they are not publishing another Crysis. They are also canceling there Sims and SimCity facebook games.
EA is cancelling anything that doesn't have a huge profit and not bringing their games to any platform were they won't have a chance to make a huge profit.
This is what happens when you don't cultivate your product line.
:-\
such a bummer...
But at least they have Star Wars, right!? :D
*Cue John Williams*
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Post by: RarityGamer on May 09, 2013, 12:12:51 PM
EA is having a tough time. The official worst company in America laid off 900 people and are canceling 2013 games like Tiger Woods and NBA Live. The Deadspace franchise is also in a dead space, and they are not publishing another Crysis. They are also canceling there Sims and SimCity facebook games.
EA is cancelling anything that doesn't have a huge profit and not bringing their games to any platform were they won't have a chance to make a huge profit.
This is what happens when you don't cultivate your product line.
While I agree with everything you said, I do wonder what Nintendo do to try and prevent this kind of 3rd party avoidance. I mean, another one has come out and said this now: http://pixelenemy.com/just-cause-devs-wii-u-dev-kits-collecting-dust-no-plans-to-develop-for-the-console/ (http://pixelenemy.com/just-cause-devs-wii-u-dev-kits-collecting-dust-no-plans-to-develop-for-the-console/)
At E3, when the Wii U was first shown, they stuck a video on with loads of companies praising the console. Some even announced games. Then, it all went quiet. I seem to remember some developers were claiming Nintendo had changed the hardware specs since they last met. Maybe they changed it too much and devs just couldn't or didn't want to work with it or something...
If this is going to happen again, one thing Nintendo must do I feel is invest. If they're not going to get the support, they need to keep pumping out the their own games. With the amount of money they made on the Wii, they should of at least invested some of it on new studios.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 09, 2013, 12:18:16 PM
Hey, remember around when Dead Space came out EA was seen in a relatively good light and Activision were the new bad guys? That lasted, what, a year and a half?
EA's bizarre vendetta against Nintendo continues. My only concern is if this affects the attitudes of other third parties or seriously affects sales. This almost doesn't seen like new news though. I pretty much assumed all future EA products would skip the Wii U.
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Post by: Adrock on May 09, 2013, 12:24:48 PM
It's less bizarre when taking into account everything ShyGuy mentioned. There's a case to be made against bringing games over to Wii U considering how much the platform is currently struggling. Still, it's hard to deny that there are sour grapes. The whole Origin thing makes a lot of sense. Some of the things EA has said and done is cause for eyebrow raising.
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Post by: Ceric on May 09, 2013, 12:49:07 PM
What gets me more then anything is they are just hiding under excuses. Frostbite 3 if it can work on the PS3 or 360 it could work on the WiiU. I don't know enough about the PS4 and NextBox to know.
EA just step out and say "We are not developing for the Wii U because its a platform that we don't think we could make the Margins that we need." Fine, that's business. Just don't give me bull excuses.
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Post by: Fjurbanski on May 09, 2013, 01:15:22 PM
I wonder how much power EA actually has to make those claims. With some games, yeah, but what about the Star Wars games? Couldn't Disney tell them they had to release them on the Wii U? Disney's relationship with Nintendo isn't in the pits like EA's is, and we all know that Frostbite 3 not being able to run on Wii U is bs since it can run on the ps3/360.
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Post by: Adrock on May 09, 2013, 02:02:54 PM
Regarding Frostbite 3, if it's CPU intensive, that might be where the issue lies since Wii U is apparently far more GPU centric. Perhaps it's not simply that Frostbite 3 can't run on Wii U period, but that it can't run without heavily optimizing it for the platform which certainly doesn't seem worth it all things considered. My understanding is when DICE ran some tests with "not too promising results," they didn't change anything to account for running on completely different hardware. Is it fair? Depends on how you look at it. They probably could have done a better job explaining why their tests yielded less than desirable results.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 09, 2013, 02:09:35 PM
EA is cancelling anything that doesn't have a huge profit and not bringing their games to any platform with a fanbase they haven't completely screwed over with DLC
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Post by: Ceric on May 09, 2013, 02:42:34 PM
Regarding Frostbite 3, if it's CPU intensive, that might be where the issue lies since Wii U is apparently far more GPU centric. Perhaps it's not simply that Frostbite 3 can't run on Wii U period, but that it can't run without heavily optimizing it for the platform which certainly doesn't seem worth it all things considered. My understanding is when DICE ran some tests with "not too promising results," they didn't change anything to account for running on completely different hardware. Is it fair? Depends on how you look at it. They probably could have done a better job explaining why their tests yielded less than desirable results.
If a Graphics Engine is CPU intensive in this day and age your doing it wrong.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 09, 2013, 05:37:53 PM
This just goes to show that the cost of gaming is getting to the point that any additional development to move to another format is not going to happen. EA's execs do no want to take those risks. But is also means that EA pushes only using Frostbite then Nintendo may be screwed...and since EA is an incredibly important publisher for the US. (Sports games and FPSers are quite huge here) then Nintendo's WiiU is in trouble. The problem is, Nintendo can still bring the games by the end of the year, but with all this bad press and such, quality Nintendo games are not going to bode well.
This is another reason I believe Nintendo should have been much more aggressive with the VC launch. Get everything out there. Make people see it as a reason to buy Nintendo now...and not potentially buy it.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on May 09, 2013, 06:12:42 PM
This just goes to show that the cost of gaming is getting to the point that any additional development to move to another format is not going to happen. EA's execs do no want to take those risks. But is also means that EA pushes only using Frostbite then Nintendo may be screwed...and since EA is an incredibly important publisher for the US. (Sports games and FPSers are quite huge here) then Nintendo's WiiU is in trouble. The problem is, Nintendo can still bring the games by the end of the year, but with all this bad press and such, quality Nintendo games are not going to bode well.
When the Wii was having record sales, most EA games still sold the worst on the system. Seriously, not having EA support isn't going to really effect Nintendo much since the people who buy Nintendo systems aren't buying them for EA games.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 09, 2013, 07:08:29 PM
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Seriously, not having EA support isn't going to really effect Nintendo much since the people who buy Nintendo systems aren't buying them for EA games.
I remember in the N64 days it was like the lack of third party support was an annoyance you put up with. Most of us were familiar with the previous generations and now doing without Final Fantasy, Mega Man, Castlevania, etc was a bummer that we would get through. There were the mindless fanboys that acted like third party games were crap because Nintendo was training them to think that way but it wasn't the majority. But now it seems that Nintendo has had crappy third party support for so long that no only is it expected but it has created a fanbase that has conditioned themselves to ONLY liking Nintendo games. And that makes sense because most people that care about good third party support would have given up on Nintendo long ago (hell the Wii was pretty much my breaking point). So you get Nintendo diehards that pretty much only care about Nintendo and gamers with broader tastes that see Nintendo consoles as a secondary machine you buy just for Nintendo games.
So Nintendo is pretty much permanently fucked on this third party thing because they dragged their feet on fixing it for so long that the market now expects it and reacts accordingly. That really sucks. They could have and should have put all this nonsense behind them on the Gamecube.
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Post by: Fjurbanski on May 09, 2013, 07:13:01 PM
If Frostbite 3 is so CPU intensive, then wouldn't they have issues running it on the PS4 as well? Last I heard the PS4's CPU wasn't anything to right home about.
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Post by: smallsharkbigbite on May 09, 2013, 09:32:35 PM
If Frostbite 3 is so CPU intensive, then wouldn't they have issues running it on the PS4 as well? Last I heard the PS4's CPU wasn't anything to right home about.
The PS4 is rumored to cost $500+. The CPU rumor is wrong. They are moving from the Cell, but it will be a strong CPU. When has Sony ever skimped on hardware? People get too hung up in a speed #. Architecture has changed dramatically and it will be a nice CPU. It's like a 2003 Pentium 4 went up to 3.8 ghz, and today the fastest I7 processor goes about 3.8 ghz. Do you think they are comparable? Not so much.
They are putting a huge amount of RAM into it and basically making it a PC so ports are easy. EAs excuse for the Wii U is they need a dedicated team to develop for the Wii U. Xbox is basically developing a PC as well. This is the risk of going early. Wii U should have went with an OS that was basically a PC.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 10, 2013, 12:38:25 AM
EA will never get my money again unless it is through the second hand market.
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Post by: Adrock on May 10, 2013, 12:49:30 AM
EA will never get my money again unless it is through the second hand market.
Charles what now? Do you know how the second hand market works? No publisher gets a dime off of used games. That's why they've turned to online passes and such to try to get some profit off of those sales.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 10, 2013, 12:54:15 AM
EA will never get my money again unless it is through the second hand market.
Charles what now? Do you know how the second hand market works? No publisher gets a dime off of used games. That's why they've turned to online passes and such to try to get some profit off of those sales.
That is the idea: they still will not get my money even when I buy their games used.
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Post by: BlkPaladin on May 10, 2013, 07:29:00 PM
If Frostbite 3 is so CPU intensive, then wouldn't they have issues running it on the PS4 as well? Last I heard the PS4's CPU wasn't anything to right home about.
The PS4 is rumored to cost $500+. The CPU rumor is wrong. They are moving from the Cell, but it will be a strong CPU. When has Sony ever skimped on hardware? People get too hung up in a speed #. Architecture has changed dramatically and it will be a nice CPU. It's like a 2003 Pentium 4 went up to 3.8 ghz, and today the fastest I7 processor goes about 3.8 ghz. Do you think they are comparable? Not so much.
They are putting a huge amount of RAM into it and basically making it a PC so ports are easy. EAs excuse for the Wii U is they need a dedicated team to develop for the Wii U. Xbox is basically developing a PC as well. This is the risk of going early. Wii U should have went with an OS that was basically a PC.
It is a powerful CPU, but it is a similar CPU to what the Wii U and the new Xbox will have. They will all have 1.xxghz OOE CPU and rely on the GPU for processing power. So if they are have trouble getting the engine working on the Wii U they will have problems the PS4/Xbox. But since they are not, as far as rumors go, so it is just excuses.
All three console have similar architectures, so if you make a game for the PS4/Xbox you should be able to put it on the Wii U if you have any experience as a PC developer. Most game develop for the PC work on a wider power difference then what is exhibited between the three new console (according to rumors). Which makes EA claims even more flimsy.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 10, 2013, 07:40:38 PM
AMD x86-64 Jaguar with 8 cores. Rumored to run at 1.6ghz.
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Post by: Adrock on May 10, 2013, 07:49:12 PM
It is a powerful CPU, but it is a similar CPU to what the Wii U and the new Xbox will have.
Do we even know this yet? Doesn't the PS4 have more cores and more threads per core?
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All three console have similar architectures
I thought they were completely different architectures. Nintendo continued to use a custom PowerPC CPU while Sony switched to an X86-64 CPU with Microsoft rumored to be switching as well.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 11, 2013, 04:02:10 AM
Avalanche Studio's Wii U dev kits collecting dust.
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Post by: ymeegod on May 11, 2013, 08:54:04 AM
"All three console have similar architectures, so "
To lazy to type but WII U is an ARM chip vs PS4/PC/XBOX? which is x86. "ARM is a RISC (Reduced Instruction Set Computing) architecture while x86 being a CISC (Complex Instruction Set Computing) one."
ARM is pretty big with mobile devices since it saves power but it's still weaker than it's X86 counterpart. Take an Arm chip with the same cores and the same MHz it's going lose to the x86 chipset in terms of power.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 11, 2013, 09:14:01 AM
WII U has a PowerPC chip.
edit: also, RISC is more efficient than CISC
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on May 11, 2013, 09:19:50 AM
They both pale in comparison to the power of a fish 'n' chip. I picked one up last week which was SAV (salt and vinegar) enabled.
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Post by: azeke on May 11, 2013, 09:38:18 AM
Avalanche Studio's Wii U dev kits collecting dust.
And whose fault is this?
These guys are just as bad as studios who mailed back free devkits without even opening.
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Post by: ymeegod on May 11, 2013, 09:43:46 AM
Oh yeah, but PowerPC is still more similar to Risc than Cisc.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 11, 2013, 09:47:48 AM
RISC is the style of architecture. Pretty much any modern processor except x86 based CPUs uses RISC.
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Post by: paleselan on May 12, 2013, 12:31:23 AM
Eh, I'll be buying a PS4 anyway. While there are no achievements on the system, my Wii U will stay only be used for Wii U exclusives.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 12, 2013, 02:08:58 AM
I don't understand the appeal of system wide achievements.
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Post by: Louieturkey on May 12, 2013, 04:16:26 AM
I do believe PowerPC cores are more powerful than x86 cores. The problem is the fact that the Wii U has 3 while the PS4 has 8. The multitasking on the PS4 will be amazing I think.
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Post by: smallsharkbigbite on May 12, 2013, 08:21:43 AM
<quote>"RISC is the style of architecture. Pretty much any modern processor except x86 based CPUs uses RISC."</quote>
But PS4, Xbox and PC games all use x86 right? And these are what the majority of console makers make their games on. So it seems to add an extra step in the process to port multi console games to the Wii. Frostbite 3 already works on x86, it would require optimization for the Wii U. I don't buy that they can't get it working, but it seems if Nintendo was going for more 3rd party support, they should have used the standard system rather than just use what Apple uses.
<quote>I don't understand the appeal of system wide achievements.</quote>
I don't think achievements are the end all, but they expand a games playtime and typically enjoyment. I.E. PS3 games have trophies that require a specific thing or type of playthrough to obtain. Like a game might give you a trophy for beating levels without getting damage, or beating a game only using one weapon, or beating a level without killing anyone. People that like to 100% games would enjoy achievements. I like having these additional goals instead of just beat the game.
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Post by: RedBlue on May 12, 2013, 11:57:16 AM
With Microsoft and Sony going with x86 there is no reason to get one. All of their games are going to be on PC (excluding exclusives). So a PC and Wii U combo is the way to go for this new gen. As far as the CPU that Sony is using an AMD jaguar based CPU that is designed for low power devices as it is design to use around 15 to 25W and it is the cheapest CPU they make. This processors would normally go with cheap laptops or ultra books, etc. Don't get impressed with the 8 cores because Sony and s doing a lot of shut with those 8 cores the also ties to the 8GB of RAM that's unified a.k.a. It is shared with all the social stuff. So in the end we end up with a bunch of awesome marketing bullet points that sound more awesome more then what they are.
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Post by: Shaymin on May 12, 2013, 01:24:20 PM
With Microsoft and Sony going with x86 there is no reason to get one. All of their games are going to be on PC (excluding exclusives). So a PC and Wii U combo is the way to go for this new gen.
Isn't that the kicker, though - the exclusives? I've accepted that there's certain games that will only come to the PS4 (good baseball games, some RPGs from Japan studios, and probably Last Guardian) so I'll have to pick one up once they lose the PSEye.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 12, 2013, 03:16:09 PM
<quote>"RISC is the style of architecture. Pretty much any modern processor except x86 based CPUs uses RISC."</quote>
But PS4, Xbox and PC games all use x86 right? And these are what the majority of console makers make their games on. So it seems to add an extra step in the process to port multi console games to the Wii. Frostbite 3 already works on x86, it would require optimization for the Wii U. I don't buy that they can't get it working, but it seems if Nintendo was going for more 3rd party support, they should have used the standard system rather than just use what Apple uses.
<quote>I don't understand the appeal of system wide achievements.</quote>
I don't think achievements are the end all, but they expand a games playtime and typically enjoyment. I.E. PS3 games have trophies that require a specific thing or type of playthrough to obtain. Like a game might give you a trophy for beating levels without getting damage, or beating a game only using one weapon, or beating a level without killing anyone. People that like to 100% games would enjoy achievements. I like having these additional goals instead of just beat the game.
learn to reply noob :D
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Post by: Soren on May 13, 2013, 12:14:31 AM
Every single game EA has released for the Wii U has been a delayed release(in comparison to other platforms). What kind of sales were they really expecting from these games? Most homes are multi-console and anyone who really wanted said games already got them on another platform. They had to know sales were going to be low.
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Post by: Louieturkey on May 13, 2013, 01:25:43 PM
Every single game EA has released for the Wii U has been a delayed release(in comparison to other platforms). What kind of sales were they really expecting from these games? Most homes are multi-console and anyone who really wanted said games already got them on another platform. They had to know sales were going to be low.
Yep, which is why it's all just an excuse. It's a way they can justify it without saying they hate Nintendo for not letting them run the Nintendo Network.
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Post by: Ceric on May 13, 2013, 01:40:56 PM
Apple hasn't used PowerPC for many years now. Seriously enough though x86 is probably one of the most inefficient chips out their now. When it was made it was great but its been extended tons and hasn't kept up with modern Architecture. Intel knew this. Everything was slated to be on the Itaniums (IA64) Architecture now by their roadmap before AMD extend x86 to 64 bit. Crying shame too. We could have much faster comptures.
Title: EA was just busting our balls, they are still working on WiiU, silly us lol.
Post by: Mannypon on May 21, 2013, 11:17:33 PM
So much for EA not having any games in development for Nintendo. EA's chief financial officer Blake Jorgensen
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You know I will ultimately let consumers vote on PS vs. Xbox. You know I think Nintendo's business was more of an extension of their last console. We are building titles for the Nintendo consoles, but not anywhere near as many as we are for PS or Xbox. You know, what I think the consumer will find is a lot more powerful gameplay with the new boxes that are coming out, and a lot of excitement, but it will remain to be seen as to the services associated with those how the consumers decide which direction they want to go.
Looks like EA was just trolling us hard yet again or could they have finally opened their eyes to what took place today at MS's presentation ;) lol. I kid, I kid, but seriously, what the hell is going on with EA. Does anyone know what they are doing there?
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Post by: oohhboy on May 21, 2013, 11:43:35 PM
Everytime EA mentions Special Relationship, I am imagining a syringe full of a cocktail of every disease known to man to induce Three Stooges Syndrome (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Three%20Stooges%20Syndrome).
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Post by: alegoicoe on May 21, 2013, 11:45:04 PM
And the bullshit comes around to bite em in the ass once again.
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Post by: Mannypon on May 21, 2013, 11:55:27 PM
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You know, what I think the consumer will find is a lot more powerful gameplay with the new boxes that are coming out, and a lot of excitement, but it will remain to be seen as to the services associated with those how the consumers decide which direction they want to go.
That part speaks volumes to me. "powerfull gameplay" is straight up bull that doesn't make any sense at all. He's just trying to justify their support for the other 2. Yet the end of the sentence from "but" and on shows that EA is still unsure of how consumers will take Sony and MS's new approaches and policies.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 22, 2013, 12:12:46 AM
Hey! Listen!
EA's CFO Blake Jorgensen says "We are building titles for the Nintendo Console"
lol that's what I posted 3 posts above you lol. Just messing with ya lol. Its good to see EA back under the sheets with Nintendo. Hopefully they get ontop of getting their engines running on the WiiU already and stop the BS.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 22, 2013, 12:43:48 AM
Iwata dropped some truth bombs on them. ;)
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 22, 2013, 12:45:35 AM
Given the current state of EA, if I were the NFL I'd be looking for a way out of the exclusivity deal. That company is a mess, and seems to be falling apart.
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Post by: Mannypon on May 22, 2013, 01:11:10 AM
Given the current state of EA, if I were the NFL I'd be looking for a way out of the exclusivity deal. That company is a mess, and seems to be falling apart.
One can only dream, I've been waiting for years for this to happen so I can get my NFL 2k fix again, years. So much so that I've still played NFL 2k5 with updated rosters from OperationSports (those guys do amazing work, I can't how long it must take to update the rosters of all teams every year)
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 22, 2013, 01:26:26 AM
I actually like Madden, and prefer it to the 2K games, which I really liked as well. I just think EA is slowly imploding, and I worry about the properties that I'm a fan of that they have either legal or de facto exclusivity over.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 22, 2013, 01:40:34 AM
I wonder if Nintendo slipped them a sweet deal for some key titles, or a license holder insisted they release their title on the Wii U, or it was just misinformation at the start.
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Post by: smallsharkbigbite on May 22, 2013, 08:04:58 AM
Now that EA is building Wii U games....
Seems to me that EA is acknowledging that the PS4 and Xbox ONE used game lockout and game delivery method may negatively affect consumer perception. They want to leave the door open to go back to the Wii U which uses a traditional game delivery method.
I'm sure third parties will push their big games to PS4, XboxOne to try and make this more lucrative delivery model work. I've been surprised before so I don't want to say it'll fail, but I think this is a big deal and makes me feel alot better about my decision to get on the Wii U train. Last generation I was a PS3/Wii gamer. This gen I'll probably be a Wii U/PC gamer to make up for the games that miss the Nintendo console.
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Post by: Adrock on May 22, 2013, 09:17:30 AM
Given the current state of EA, if I were the NFL I'd be looking for a way out of the exclusivity deal. That company is a mess, and seems to be falling apart.
Isn't this year or next the final year of the current exclusivity contract that EA extended in 2011?
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Post by: cubist on May 22, 2013, 03:26:09 PM
EA is a little shifty...from not making any Wii U games to we're only making four. WTF on running a company. No wonder Riccitello left.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 22, 2013, 03:44:50 PM
Given the current state of EA, if I were the NFL I'd be looking for a way out of the exclusivity deal. That company is a mess, and seems to be falling apart.
Isn't this year or next the final year of the current exclusivity contract that EA extended in 2011?
Yes, I believe it is. But the Madden games sell so well (even though they have decline a little), that I think the NFL would be fine extending it again.
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Post by: Ceric on May 22, 2013, 04:00:47 PM
Given the current state of EA, if I were the NFL I'd be looking for a way out of the exclusivity deal. That company is a mess, and seems to be falling apart.
Isn't this year or next the final year of the current exclusivity contract that EA extended in 2011?
Yes, I believe it is. But the Madden games sell so well (even though they have decline a little), that I think the NFL would be fine extending it again.
I don't think they'll keep it exclusive unless made a very good deal.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 22, 2013, 04:05:49 PM
Why wouldn't the NFL want to keep it exclusive? I think that unless another company managed to convince the NFL that they would do a good job for the NFL brand and make the NFL a lot of money, then EA will be able to keep it exclusive.
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Post by: Ceric on May 22, 2013, 04:09:01 PM
Why wouldn't the NFL want to keep it exclusive? I think that unless another company managed to convince the NFL that they would do a good job for the NFL brand and make the NFL a lot of money, then EA will be able to keep it exclusive.
Easy, EA will not drop Madden just because they don't have the Exclusive deal anymore. They will continue to make the NFL a lot of money because, they still have to license the IP from the NFL. This allows the NFL to have more leverage over EA and to fill the gaps in its IP. If EA not producing for the Wii U then someelse could.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 22, 2013, 04:19:50 PM
Any chance that Battlefield 4 could make it the Wii U?
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on May 22, 2013, 04:25:20 PM
I wonder if Nintendo slipped them a sweet deal for some key titles, or a license holder insisted they release their title on the Wii U, or it was just misinformation at the start.
and hopefully that license holder is Lucasfilm (Disney)!
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 22, 2013, 04:31:56 PM
I don't think a license holder could do anything about it. As long as the publisher is fulfilling the legal aspects of the contract, the license holder can't do anything. Don't you think most license holders would want a publisher to release a game on every platform possible?
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: Ceric on May 22, 2013, 04:43:54 PM
You be very surprised how powerful a license holder can be if they have a good license regardless of what the publisher could technically get away with.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: Kytim89 on May 22, 2013, 05:14:29 PM
You be very surprised how powerful a license holder can be if they have a good license regardless of what the publisher could technically get away with.
The NFL license is probably so sought after in the gaming community that if the NFL wanted to auction it off to other developers/publishers then EA would fight tooth and nail to keep it under their control.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: Ceric on May 22, 2013, 05:25:25 PM
You be very surprised how powerful a license holder can be if they have a good license regardless of what the publisher could technically get away with.
The NFL license is probably so sought after in the gaming community that if the NFL wanted to auction it off to other developers/publishers then EA would fight tooth and nail to keep it under their control.
Very much so. Which puts the NFL in a strong bargaining position.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: nickmitch on May 22, 2013, 08:11:00 PM
Madden is a name brand. A lot of companies would have a hard time selling a football game that ISN'T Madden. Hell, if EA could work a roster update just before the license expires, they could sell a $20+ "expansion" and still outsell any other game that would come out.
I know a lot of people would want the license, but who else has been working on a football game? There's no way they could match the quality standard (yes, it's there) that Madden has set.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: Retro Deckades on May 22, 2013, 08:14:54 PM
Apparently, NHL 14 will not be headed to the XBOX One or the PS4. Instead, EA said that they were focusing on making the game as good as they could for the 360 and PS3.
With the recent news that EA is actually developing games for the Wii U, I'm really hoping that they're developing a Wii U version.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 22, 2013, 08:43:55 PM
Apparently, NHL 14 will not be headed to the XBOX One or the PS4.
That actually significantly hurt my chances of buying a new console this year.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: oohhboy on May 24, 2013, 10:20:52 AM
We need a thread for all the EA embarrassments.
EA Vice President says PS4 and Xbox One are a generation ahead of the current fastest gaming PC on the market (http://www.tweaktown.com/news/30558/ea-vice-president-says-ps4-and-xbox-one-are-a-generation-ahead-of-the-current-fastest-gaming-pc-on-the-market/index.html).
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In a comment on LinkedIn, Electronic Art's Vice President and CTO Rajat Teneja said that Xbox One and PlayStation 4 are "a generation ahead of the highest end PC on the market." He went on to say "The compute capabilities of these platforms and the data transfer speeds we can now bank on, essentially removes any notion of rationing of systems resources for our game engines. Our benchmarks on just the video and audio performance are 8-10 times superior to the current gen. gaming pc systems."
Clearly the only requirement to become a VP at EA is to talk out of one's ass. Technology? the **** is that?
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: Adrock on May 24, 2013, 03:14:51 PM
Madden is a name brand. A lot of companies would have a hard time selling a football game that ISN'T Madden.
I disagree. NFL is a brand and a powerful one. If the box just says NFL on it, some people would buy it thinking it was Madden. I wish I was joking. If 2K got their hands on the NFL license again and released $20 game like they did back in 2004, I don't think most people would mind as long as it wasn't a mess.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 24, 2013, 03:21:18 PM
People don't ask for the new NFL game, they ask for the new Madden game. The Madden brand has built up loyalty among gamers, and the only way a NFL 2K game could do anywhere near as good in sales would be to do $20 again.
As for the box, look at it and you will see that "NFL" is very small. "MADDEN" is much larger font size, even the EA Sports logo at the year number are much larger than the NFL logo.
Another NFL game might be OK, but Madden has built up a fanbase and even with competition the Madden series would sell better (it's one reason the NFL gave EA the exclusive license).
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: Adrock on May 24, 2013, 03:34:14 PM
My experience in customer service has left me with very little confidence in people. Many don't read the box. They see the logo and a guy holding a football... "Well, must be Madden."
And I wasn't saying another NFL game would outsell Madden, just that they wouldn't have a hard time selling a football game especially 2K if they launched at $20 as I previously mentioned.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on May 24, 2013, 04:12:10 PM
My experience in customer service has left me with very little confidence in people.
My experience of working in customer service has left me with very little confidence that people in customer service know what they're talking about either, lol.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: nickmitch on May 24, 2013, 05:05:16 PM
I gotta disagree. People set their calendars to the Madden release. People care about who's on the cover, midnight launches, and everything surrounding the franchise. If those gamers went to stores and saw 2K, most would ask "Where the **** is Madden?"
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: Adrock on May 24, 2013, 05:25:02 PM
I gotta disagree. People set their calendars to the Madden release. People care about who's on the cover, midnight launches, and everything surrounding the franchise. If those gamers went to stores and saw 2K, most would ask "Where the **** is Madden?"
Some people, sure. I'm not denying that there are passionate Madden fans. However, there are people who just want an NFL game and some of those people have been disappointed in Madden the last few years. If they saw another NFL game for $40 less than Madden, they might give it a shot, especially if they remember the old NFL 2K games or recognize the 2K sports brand from NBA 2Kxx.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: UncleBob on May 24, 2013, 05:36:49 PM
If "Madden" alone was such a strong force in American Football gaming, then there's no reason that EA should have paid out millions to have the "exclusive" rights to NFL football.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 24, 2013, 05:39:32 PM
Even if you have the #1 selling brand, wouldn't you love to be the only brand so you make even more money?
And I think (i'm not 100%) that at the time the NFL wanted to just have one company make NFL games, EA just managed to outbid everyone else.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: UncleBob on May 24, 2013, 05:40:30 PM
If I have to shell out $10 to make an additional $1, then the ROI isn't worth it.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: Nemo on May 24, 2013, 06:12:37 PM
There are also football fans that would buy multiple football titles per year if they could.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: nickmitch on May 24, 2013, 08:39:34 PM
Being the only franchise in town has its benefits. Increased sales, less marketing expense, and less need to invest in the product. Either way, I'm sure EA worked out the ROI to be worth it.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 24, 2013, 08:44:39 PM
I actually think I have seen more commercials for Madden in the last 2 years than I ever have before. Especially the midnight launch at Walmart commercials for it.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: nickmitch on May 24, 2013, 08:47:07 PM
But there's also the chance that Walmart is willing to foot (at least some of) the bill on those commercials. Hell, they might be more willing to do midnight launches with the sales of the game being that much higher without competition.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: Mannypon on May 24, 2013, 09:09:28 PM
From my experience, the majority of the Madden fanbase is the same dude bro gamers that pick up Call of Duty religiously. The Madden games are fun but its become a joke how repetitive its become. I get excited every year for Madden (because I love football and don't have access to NFL2k). I get the game and then a month or so later, I'm tired of it because the luster has worn off and I've begun to notice that its still basically the same game I played last year and the years before that. I wish there were other options just to break the monotony already. Hell, I'd pay more than 60 if I could get me a new NFL 2k game. Anyways, enough of that, don't want to continue to derail this thread.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: nickmitch on May 24, 2013, 09:31:22 PM
I mean, it's football. It's meant to be realistic, and the game doesn't change that much. The biggest variant is NFL Blitz. Even EA's half-hearted attempt at a rival felt fresh.
Title: Re: Wii U to miss out on 15 EA Games
Post by: ShyGuy on September 06, 2013, 08:17:47 PM
