Post by: Grey Ninja on June 01, 2003, 02:53:18 PM
Anyways, since I have the Silent Hill thing going again, I naturally thought of Jacob's Ladder. Those of you who have played Silent Hill and seen the movie, you will immediately know what I am talking about. (I hope). Suffice to say that it's just as much a part of Silent Hill as Escape From New York is to Metal Gear Solid.
But I have already seen Jacob's Ladder, and I can't find the DVD anywhere. (I can't afford it right now anyways, but that's beside the point). What I was wondering is if there are any further movies that I can watch that are related in "feel" to Silent Hill or Jacob's Ladder? I have a free rental from a local video store, and I was planning on using it on the new James Bond movie which I still haven't seen, but I suppose I could make an exception for a good movie of this style.
I heard the title... "Session 9" When I was looking at the Jacob's Ladder DVD on Amazon, and was wondering if anyone here had seen it. Is it any good? Is it like Silent Hill?
Post by: NintendoKiD on June 03, 2003, 10:32:08 PM
Post by: PIAC on June 04, 2003, 12:26:44 AM
what is silent hill? ive never heard of the game before going on these forums...
Post by: oohhboy on June 04, 2003, 02:13:38 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 04, 2003, 12:46:08 PM
The first game started out with you in the car with your daughter. You see a girl standing in the road, and you swerve to avoid her, and your car crashes. When you wake up, your daughter is gone, and you are in a tourist resort known as Silent Hill. The town is strange. It's snowing and foggy in the middle of the summer, and things just aren't as they should be. If you play the game, it really starts to get weirder yet.
The second game starts out with a man who has recieved a letter from his wife who was dead for 3 years. It was postmarked from the last week, and it said that she was "waiting for him" in Silent Hill, where they had some good times together years before when she was still well. James drives into town seeking his dead wife when the game begins.
The gameplay is fairly standard fare, much like Resident Evil, but a million times easier. But you have a radio that really creeps you out by emmitting static whenever a monster is nearby. The music is largely industrial flavored, but really serves its job well by providing a great amount of atmosphere to the game. Couple this with an insanely low draw distance that's hidden by a LOT of fog, or by pitch black darkness, and you have a claustrophobic game that will scare the pants off of you.
What REALLY gets a person about these games though, is the story. The story is too high level for a lot of gamers, and many people just don't get the true genius of it... I know I sound like a crackhead right now, but it's true. Resident Evil features a very linear storyline. The games may not tell you all the details, but at the end of the game, you feel like you have a good idea of what went on in the game. Silent Hill doesn't leave you like that. People can discuss the plot, and write their guides all they want, but I feel that the story isn't truly SUPPOSED to be known to the player. It's more of a case of where you can make up your own mind what the whole thing meant at the end of the game.
Suffice to say, the endings of both games will haunt you forever.
Post by: PIAC on June 04, 2003, 05:54:07 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 04, 2003, 06:04:01 PM
Post by: PIAC on June 04, 2003, 11:07:13 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 06, 2003, 10:31:49 PM
I only have to wait 2 more months for the PC version of Silent Hill 3. Those damned Europeans already got it for their PS2, but those North American idiots still have to wait along with me. hehe.
Post by: BrianSLA on June 17, 2003, 11:42:31 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 18, 2003, 12:08:42 AM
Thanks for the tip. I will have to check out both those movies then.(I can somehow never figure out NintendoKid. Is he just a troll, or does he actually have something useful to say?)
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 25, 2003, 02:23:23 PM
Man, does that movie ever kick ass. I am much too drunk to say much more about it right now, but I love that movie.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 25, 2003, 02:37:17 PM
Anyway, if you want a truly scary film I suggest The Haunting- not the recent remake, the original from the 50's. That movie really creeped me out.
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 25, 2003, 02:44:12 PM
I must confess that I am a HUGE Star Wars fan (To the point that I don't know whether I am more Star Wars fanboy or Nintendo fanboy, and I have a tattoo of Nintendo's logo on my arm), but I saw The Haunting just because it had my favorite Jedi Knight in a starring role. I loved the movie because of its artistic presentation though. I don't think I would love the original version as much though.
I also saw Eye of the Beholder because of my Star Wars obsession... I must say that the movie really struck a chord with me. I know that most people hate it, but I beg of you to watch it sometime with an open mind. The main character of that movie is me. He embodies pretty much everything about me. He's clinically insane, but he's still me. I too fell in love with a girl I couldn't have.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 25, 2003, 02:53:46 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 26, 2003, 12:00:08 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 26, 2003, 12:11:24 PM
Thanks for the tip though.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 26, 2003, 12:13:45 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 08, 2003, 09:45:57 PM
One of my old roommates was a neuroscience major. She was really smart, and she definately knew her material. She got her Bachelor's degree in Neuroscience a couple of months ago. I was always careful to hide my true thoughts around her, as people who deal with the mind for a living seriously make me nervous.
She said that I had the classic symptoms of schizophrenia on a couple of occasions though. After watching that movie, I really have to agree.
Post by: The Omen on August 09, 2003, 12:38:59 PM
I'm assuming you've seen A Clockwork Orange. Its old but has just as much psychotic imagery as JL. Taxi Driver...theres plenty of movies about the character losing his grip. Not all go as far as others, however.
Post by: Caliban on August 09, 2003, 01:46:50 PM
Post by: rpglover on August 11, 2003, 01:35:46 PM
yeah that movie is pretty odd- yet one of my favorites ever
that movie to me is the one i always talk of when stanley kubric is mentioned (along with Dr. Strangelove- a great flick)
Clockwork Orange was very deep if you payed attention to everything going on- i love the book as well
i highly suggest both- they are great finds
Post by: The Omen on August 11, 2003, 08:22:48 PM
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yeah that movie is pretty odd- yet one of my favorites ever
that movie to me is the one i always talk of when stanley kubric is mentioned (along with Dr. Strangelove- a great flick)
Clockwork Orange was very deep if you payed attention to everything going on- i love the book as well
i highly suggest both- they are great finds
Agree. And The Shining. The camera work is incredible...along with Jack , of course.
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 11, 2003, 08:33:23 PM
Post by: rpglover on August 12, 2003, 01:58:13 AM
another kubrick film- and a great one!
that was one of the only movies that actually freaked me out and actually scared me when i saw it
even to this day when i see it i still get chills- especially the ax part and the blood rushing through the hotel
the acting from jack was great, but shelly duval was excellent as the mother and the child was good as well- redrum......
for a movie that basically only focused on 3 characters- it was a masterpiece
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on August 12, 2003, 05:09:38 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 12, 2003, 05:26:08 AM
But I will definately check it out at my first opportunity.
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on August 12, 2003, 07:01:54 AM
Post by: The Omen on August 13, 2003, 08:08:27 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 19, 2003, 11:57:42 AM
Also, EVERYONE has to watch Fight Club. It's not about fighting, if that's what you think, but I can't really explain what it IS about without ruining a gigantic plot point. You could describe it as a psychological movie, but to say more would be blasphemous. You just have to take my word.
Also, Ninja, no matter how good you think you understood Donnie Darko, watch it again.
I guaruntee you'll pick up a ton of stuff you missed the first time. If you got the DVD, look at the book The Philosophy of Time Travel, too- if you didn't get the DVD, it's on the website.Watch Fight Club twice, too- it's like Sixth Sense in that it's crazy how ingorant you were the whole time in the face of wave after wave of hints.
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 19, 2003, 12:30:39 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 19, 2003, 12:35:48 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 19, 2003, 12:44:47 PM
You see? TV takes up prime video game and reading time! It's horrible!
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 19, 2003, 12:47:18 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 19, 2003, 12:47:39 PM
Post by: The Omen on August 19, 2003, 12:52:02 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 19, 2003, 01:01:01 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 19, 2003, 01:02:42 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 19, 2003, 01:04:16 PM
I got about 1.5 weeks left. Luckily, in my school 8th grade is a snap so I don't have much to worry about.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on August 19, 2003, 03:47:55 PM
god the music is so unbelievably good. a very very good movie. Pi can be considered depressing depending on how you can look at it, but nowhere near requiem for a dream.
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 19, 2003, 04:41:14 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 19, 2003, 08:00:29 PM
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Funny thing just happened- I was reading a review for Silent Hill 3 and the particular reviewer said it was very reminiscent of Jacob's Ladder- he even went as far to say as there being one scene in the game that's an obvious homage to the movie if you've seen it. Considering your interest in the two subjects, I thought I'd mention it.
Heh. Silent Hill 2 is filled to the brim with Jacob's Ladder references. Silent Hill 2 was the original reason I had for watching the movie. Nevertheless, I am very pleased that the legacy continues with Silent Hill 3. A lot of the things about Silent Hill 3 have been worrying me greatly. But it seems to be universally loved by people who have played it, so I am giving it the benefit of the doubt.
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A very depressing movie is requiem for a dream
god the music is so unbelievably good. a very very good movie. Pi can be considered depressing depending on how you can look at it, but nowhere near requiem for a dream.
I have seen Pi. It had special significance to me, so it was a VERY powerful movie in my eyes. But I haven't seen Reqiuem for a Dream yet.
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 20, 2003, 01:20:36 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 23, 2003, 02:01:28 AM
I will watch Requiem for a Dream next.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on August 23, 2003, 05:09:02 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 23, 2003, 05:55:55 AM
I think that Pi is the better of the two movies still. It was a good enough movie, but like A Clockwork Orange, it just didn't do anything for me. 
The music was awesome though.
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on August 23, 2003, 06:11:10 AM
Edit: I do agree with you that if A Clockwork Orange were made today that Ewan McGregor would be a great Alex.
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 23, 2003, 06:20:51 AM
About Trainspotting though, it's a lot like A Clockwork Orange in some ways. The main character is played by Ewan McGregor, and is actually more on the lines of Reqiuem for a Dream than A Clockwork Orange, but you can definately see some similarities, most notably in the characters. It's not among my favorite movies, but it's definately a good watch.
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 23, 2003, 08:43:28 AM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on August 25, 2003, 07:36:22 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 25, 2003, 12:12:24 PM
Why I tell you this, I know not. Just an odd coincidence that your post and his comment should occur in a small span of time.
Post by: Molobert on August 25, 2003, 08:05:30 PM
Post by: The Omen on August 27, 2003, 03:25:42 AM
Another movie that i love, and everyone hates is American Psycho. I chalk it up to people not getting it, but maybe i'm just crazy? Its a lot of satire, dark satire. Some people who watch it think its a slasher flick, but the story is actually a comment on excess , power, isolation and dementia. Give it a shot. Its a love it or hate it movie, no middle ground.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on August 27, 2003, 04:28:55 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 27, 2003, 05:00:33 PM
Posted by mouse_clicker Sat July 26, 2003 4:00 PM CST:
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Oh yeah, if you're looking for a good psychological movie, I strongly suggest you wacth Donnie Darko- it's one of my favorite movies ever. It kind of has some science fiction spots here and there, but it's mainly about one kid's detoriation of sanity. Magnificent movie.
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Watch it a couple times, too- it's too complicated to understand in one sitting.
I beat you to the punch.
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 27, 2003, 07:28:37 PM
Post by: Ocarina Blue on August 27, 2003, 08:53:30 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 27, 2003, 10:20:09 PM
Jacob's Ladder was much like Silent Hill in that almost everything was presented in a very obvious manner. There was very little subtlety involved, and the story was presented in a clear manner, yet a paradox was very evident. Donnie Darko was different in that much of the story was left to the viewer's interpretation, yet I felt that a clear theme was underlying the movie. I felt that if I could break the symbolic bonds, I could free the intent and purpose of the movie. I actually considered posting a thread in this very forum specifically for Donnie Darko. Yet I watched the movie with the director's commentary just so I would be able to better understand it, and I came to a shocking discovery.
Fact of the matter is, Donnie Darko didn't go insane, according to the director. He considered it to be a science fiction story in which the main character is hyper sensitive, but perfectly sane. To me, this doesn't sit very well. I think that the "they" that he speaks of is Donnie's own mind. He is creating Frank from his own half forgotten memories of time not yet past. He is caught in a time loop, and it's impossible for him to escape until he makes the right decision. He is obviously insane already from his past events, making him easily accessable from the powers that be. Much like groundhog day, he is trapped in a repeating world for him that his making him unconsciously aware of what must be done. Frank, and everything else is a fiction created by his own mind and nobody elses.
And so ends my theory of the movie. I simply CANNOT accept the director's simple explanation.
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 28, 2003, 03:32:30 AM
That doesn't sit quite well with me, either, and I completely agree with you. I know that's supposedly what the director intended for people to get out of a movie, but I think movies mean different things to different people, and they can interpret them in different ways. Hence, I disagree with the director on his own creation. Usually that doesn't happen with me, though.Ocarina Blue: Watch it again, you'll see so much you didn't before.
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 28, 2003, 03:13:22 PM
I hope I don't have any book reports this year. I dispise (sp?) those. It takes all the fun out of reading, especially when they make you read a certain chapter, or even worse, a certain book. I read for enjoyment, not for work.
The end.
Post by: Ocarina Blue on August 28, 2003, 09:47:11 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 29, 2003, 03:33:21 AM
You want some books that REALLY pull you in, read Ender's Game, Dune, and, of course, Lord of the Rings.
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 29, 2003, 05:32:52 AM
I actually do a fair bit of reading, but I kind of slacked off this summer. I've read all the of the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, and Ender's Game, Ender's Shadow, and Shadow of the Hegemon. I haven't read any Dune books, yet, becuase my library doesn't have the first book.
Post by: The Omen on August 29, 2003, 10:25:41 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 29, 2003, 04:52:11 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 30, 2003, 01:35:06 PM
Seriously- it's to science fiction what Lord of the Rings was to fantasy.
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 31, 2003, 05:37:02 AM
Post by: vroenis on August 31, 2003, 08:45:23 AM
eventually when i stop spending so much on games i'll buy the virtual light series.
i'd read them both heaps but never owned them, so now's the time i guess.
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 31, 2003, 08:55:09 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 31, 2003, 09:03:24 AM
But have you read the Dark Tower books? If you haven't, I would really get on that. Even if you don't think that they are as good as LOTR, they are still very much worth a read. They aren't based on LOTR at all, so it's not like they are ripping anyone off, but when you start reading it, you can see that it's a fantasy/sci-fi type deal.
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 31, 2003, 09:17:51 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 31, 2003, 09:23:38 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 31, 2003, 09:57:19 AM
And never, ever say the LotR movie is better than the book in a group of Tolkien nerds.
If we were talking in person right now, you wouldn't have any bowels.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on September 01, 2003, 04:38:47 PM
Post by: The Dark Tower on September 02, 2003, 11:48:05 AM
The LOTR series is awsome, and so is the Ender's Game series.
But I have never read The Dark Tower series even if my name is The Dark Tower.
Just a coincidence. Jeez, I am probably the only one on the internet that would spell coincidence right. Could you tell me the story line of the books?
Post by: Grey Ninja on September 02, 2003, 01:44:11 PM
Well, DT... The Dark Tower is a rather complicated story. Basically, it's about a universe parallel to our own, where there are remnants of technology present, but there is also magic and monsters. If you have ever played Fallout, then you would have an idea about the setting of the books. I don't want to spoil anything by telling too much about the story, but the main character is very cool, and the story features a few crossovers from other King books, and I believe that it has the finest plot of any of his books.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 02, 2003, 02:14:11 PM
Timeline, by Michael Crichton, had some excellent evidence supporting it. Basically, there are an infinite amount of universes, one for every possible iteration of existence. There's some where the only difference between it and this one is that I misspell Michael Crichton's name, there's one where I don't post this at all, and there's one where I just plain don't exist. It's pretty mind boggling, if you think about it. That's actually how the "time travel" in Timeline works- although the method implimented is a bit far fetched, they basically send people through a wormhole to a parallel universe which is at the stage our planet was at, say, 1350, where the only difference is that a blade of grass is a millimeter taller. Really interesting stuff.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on September 02, 2003, 03:55:22 PM
Or so I've heard.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 02, 2003, 05:07:22 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on September 02, 2003, 07:48:11 PM
Post by: The Omen on September 02, 2003, 11:16:08 PM
Back to disturbing movies for a moment-i'd recommend the entire David Lynch catalogue. The Elephant man, Eraserhead, Blue Velvet, Wild at heart, The lost Highway and Mulholland drive.(Dune, but Lynch admits its his worst as the budget wasnt up to snuff)) I love Mulholland drive, but as with the rest of my suggestions, its either love it or hate it. He makes by far the most disturbing movies out there, especially Mulholland, Bllue velvet and The lost highway. Go rent them now!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Omen on September 09, 2003, 10:45:50 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 10, 2003, 03:31:40 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 10, 2003, 08:31:36 AM
Post by: The Blue Baron on September 10, 2003, 02:20:58 PM
I think Busey has split personalities.
Post by: The Omen on September 10, 2003, 07:57:31 PM
And i'm covinced Busey doesn't act, he is these characters he plays. Thats disturbing.
