NWR Interactive => Podcast Discussion => Topic started by: Jonnyboy117 on February 14, 2013, 02:19:03 AM
Title: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on February 14, 2013, 02:19:03 AM
Special thanks to everyone who posted suggestions in the RetroActive Nominations thread. Most of these selections came from over there. There's no particular theme this time, just a bunch of interesting games that are widely accessible. Feel free to ask questions, discuss the games, or recommend your favorites below.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: randomflashbang on February 14, 2013, 02:36:20 AM
On one hand, castlevania; on the other, one of most entertaining co op games in the snes. Guess the fact that one is already on my Wii is asgood a tiebreaker as any.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Shaymin on February 14, 2013, 05:48:23 AM
Pretty much. Then again, my blind GameFreak bias just kicked in.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Jet Pilot on February 14, 2013, 08:18:57 AM
Rondo of Blood would fit in nice with the upcoming Castlevania release for 3DS. A good compare and contrast of the series old and new.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: ejamer on February 14, 2013, 09:26:46 AM
Nice set of games to pick from.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on February 14, 2013, 09:34:22 AM
I voted for Y's because that's the only game I haven't already played before. I hear it's a very interesting series.
Pulseman is...ok.
Rondo of blood is...difficult (but very good).
Zombies ate my Neighbors (or Zombies in Europe) is fun playing multiplayer, but I wouldn't recommend playing it alone.
I don't remember much about Startropics 2 beyond the fact that it was in the vein of Zelda.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: ejamer on February 14, 2013, 10:50:58 AM
... Rondo of blood is...difficult (but very good).
Really? I didn't find if that difficult. Well, at least not compared to other Castlevania games back in the day.
In short, this game seemed like everything I wanted the original castlevania to be. Better graphics and music, branching paths, lots of weapons, special moves, hidden bosses and a secret character... Having this game easily (and affordably!) available from the Wii Shop was one of my favorite moments of last generation.
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... Zombies ate my Neighbors (or Zombies in Europe) is fun playing multiplayer, but I wouldn't recommend playing it alone. ...
Totally agree. I still like this game quite a bit, but it's a bit shallow unless you have a buddy to work through the levels with. Also found it to be much tougher to beat than Rondo of Blood.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on February 14, 2013, 11:03:45 AM
Well, let's be honest, the original Castlevania trilogy ain't no cakewalk either.
I did beat Rondo of Blood when it was released on VC, but I did find it very challenging (not necessarily in a bad way). I remember the Death boss fight being particularly hard. Who knows though? Maybe I just suck at Castlevania.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: broodwars on February 14, 2013, 12:24:13 PM
I reluctantly went with Zombies Ate My Neighbors, because at least with that game we might get to hear James and Jonny swear due to the game's difficulty. Honestly, I really didn't like any of these games as RetroActive material. Rondo of Blood; Ys; and Pulseman have all been discussed on RFN before, and I don't care about StarTropics 2.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Pandareus on February 14, 2013, 02:04:13 PM
The original Ys has been discussed? Seven and The Oath in Felghana are fairly different from the Turbo CD game.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: broodwars on February 14, 2013, 02:12:57 PM
The original Ys has been discussed? Seven and The Oath in Felghana are fairly different from the Turbo CD game.
Jonny played the Turbo CD Ys 1&2 for RFN quite a while ago. It's where I first heard about the series.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on February 14, 2013, 02:23:41 PM
Jonny may have played it, but I haven't. It's all about the community man, you know? :P: :
I think I might pick up Ys I & II at some point regardless of whether or not it wins, but retroactives always make it more fun. I think they prompt me to actually consider what it is that I do and don't like about a given game, rather than just consuming it.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Azlam Orlandu on February 15, 2013, 12:11:39 AM
Y's being released on Steam today makes this a no-brainer for me. I had a TurboGrafix back in the day, but if I remember correctly Y's was only on Turbo CD and I never got my hands on it.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: lolmonade on February 15, 2013, 08:37:13 AM
I think both Dracula X: Rondo of Blood and Zombies Ate My Neighbors are fantastic games, and as much as I love those games, sometimes spectacular games don't always spark good discussion.
I find my favorite retroactives are ones in which the game is good but has certain flaws that can cause a contentious discussion upon.
Pulseman at a first glance looks like a faster-paced Megaman style game, Ys seems like an RPG, and Startropics 2 looks to be a Zelda-esque title.
I'm torn....
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on February 15, 2013, 11:58:37 AM
I find my favorite retroactives are ones in which the game is good but has certain flaws that can cause a contentious discussion upon.
Same here. I think that's why my favourite Retroactives have been Metroid II and Ogre Battle 64.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Do_What on February 15, 2013, 01:44:53 PM
I would've voted for Ys if I didn't indulge in the steam sale a while back and burn myself out on Oath In Falgana and one of the other games that ended up being amazingly cheap. Those are fun discussions. Dracula X should be an interesting conversation. I hope it isn't Zombies because I tried it a year or so back and it severely doesn't hold up.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on February 15, 2013, 06:01:21 PM
Intriguing selections in this poll. I really didn't like Dracula X (RFN is to blame for my regretful "I'll give it a chance" purchase, actually). I recall Zombies Ate My Neighbors as being a fairly flimsy game, but I probably didn't give it a fair chance back in the day. Pulseman and Star Tropics 2 are both flawed but enjoyable games--perfect for RetroActive.
That said, I voted for Ys I & II. I've never played any games in the series and have been meaning to get around to this release on VC. Of course, since I voted for it, there's no way it will win now :)
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on February 15, 2013, 06:26:42 PM
I really didn't like Dracula X (RFN is to blame for my regretful "I'll give it a chance" purchase, actually).
What didn't you like about it?
*I played Rondo of Blood some earlier today. I know that's cheating, but I really wanted to listen to some amazing music and you don't get more amazing than Castlevania. Such a good game.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Mop it up on February 15, 2013, 07:18:42 PM
I voted for StarTropics 2 since it's the only one I have.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on February 15, 2013, 07:28:32 PM
I voted for StarTropics 2 since it's the only one I have.
That seems like a reason not to vote for it.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Mop it up on February 15, 2013, 07:38:19 PM
Why would that be the case?
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on February 15, 2013, 07:42:38 PM
Because why would you replay a game when you could try a new one?
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Mop it up on February 15, 2013, 07:48:39 PM
Because I like the game and am curious what others have to say.
Besides, the only other game listed for a system I own is too expensive, and it's one I did play back in the day and recall not liking it (Zombies Ate My Neighbors).
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on February 15, 2013, 08:15:01 PM
Because I like the game and am curious what others have to say.
You should have said that then. Voting for a game because it's good and because you're interested to hear other people's opinons of it is not the same as voting for it because it's the only game you have. :P: :
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Shaymin on February 15, 2013, 09:36:26 PM
That said, I voted for Ys I & II. I've never played any games in the series and have been meaning to get around to this release on VC. Of course, since I voted for it, there's no way it will win now :)
I dunno, RPGs tend to overperform in these polls.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on February 15, 2013, 10:20:37 PM
I really didn't like Dracula X (RFN is to blame for my regretful "I'll give it a chance" purchase, actually).
What didn't you like about it?
*I played Rondo of Blood some earlier today. I know that's cheating, but I really wanted to listen to some amazing music and you don't get more amazing than Castlevania. Such a good game.
There is something about classic NES-style Castlevania that is always off-putting to me. Part of it is what I consider to be clunky controls, but cruel level design also plays a factor. I'm sure it is a good game--so many rave about it--but I can't get past my hangups on pre-SotN Castlevania.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: xcwarrior on February 16, 2013, 11:11:38 AM
Voted for Ys Book I +2. I have Wii points saved up, so if it wins, I'll pick it up and get to it. Probably with Star Tropics or Dracula X as well. The other two don't really interest me.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Mop it up on February 16, 2013, 03:39:10 PM
How similar is the DS game Legacy of Ys: Book I & II to the Turbo CD game?
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on February 17, 2013, 07:31:19 PM
There's a review on NWR that would be worth reading for more details, but I think it's considered a faithful adaptation with polygonal graphics and somewhat revamped controls. There is a touch screen mode as well.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Pandareus on February 17, 2013, 11:53:38 PM
Jeremy Parish (http://www.1up.com/reviews/legacy-review) made me avoid the DS version back in the day.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: ClexYoshi on February 18, 2013, 04:21:10 AM
This was a darned hard call for me. a couple of these games I'm close to and have a lot to say about [namely Rondo of Blood or Zoda's Revenge], and I wouldn't mind playing any of these other entries, but I think that of these, I'm most interested in giving Super Rotom Adventures [I nicknamed my Rotom Pulseman] a shot, as I do like some of Gamefreak's other stuff like Drill Dozer, so I've been curious about it for quite some time.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: MASB on February 18, 2013, 05:05:44 AM
I voted for Zombies Ate My Neighbors! I can imagine what gold James and Jon in particular could mine from it. :D Plus I just like the theme. Perhaps the makers of Plants Vs. Zombies played it during their childhood/teenage years.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: pureval on February 18, 2013, 09:08:24 AM
I went with Startropics 2. I love the first one and always wanted to play the second but never got around to it. This could be my chance.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: NWR_Neal on February 18, 2013, 11:07:12 PM
Was torn between StarTropics 2 and Rondo of Blood. On one hand, I want to play Rondo of Blood. On the other hand, I adore the StarTropics games...
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Sundoulos on February 19, 2013, 01:30:38 AM
Frankly, most of these would be interesting. Rondo of Blood is the only one of these games that I've actually played. Going with Startropics 2 because I think it will provide the most interesting discussion. I played the original, but I've never tried the sequel.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: pPatko on February 19, 2013, 05:36:12 PM
Ys just happens to be at the top of my bucket list. Voted! Castlevania would also be good - it's one of my faves in the series - but I've played the shiz out of it. In the meantime... I'm still trying to finish Majora's Mask. :-[
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: pokepal148 on February 24, 2013, 07:51:01 PM
I voted for Zombies Ate My Neighbors! I can imagine what gold James and Jon in particular could mine from it. :D Plus I just like the theme. Perhaps the makers of Plants Vs. Zombies played it during their childhood/teenage years.
i voted zombies just because james's possible reaction would be hystarical
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Gameboy Freak on February 28, 2013, 12:19:13 AM
I really want to hear them talk more in depth about Rondo of Blood! That game is amazing and very difficult.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Sundoulos on February 28, 2013, 12:26:17 AM
I really want to hear them talk more in depth about Rondo of Blood! That game is amazing and very difficult.
If you haven't done so yet, there's an older episode of Radio Trivia: Podcast Edition that might be of interest to you. I just checked TYPs list of games used on the show; Rondo of Blood shows up on episode 73. Greg Leahy is the guest host I believe, and, if I recall, does offer a number of thoughts on the game. Just a humble suggestion. :)
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Pandareus on February 28, 2013, 09:37:12 AM
I'm very happy with this outcome. A game I haven't played before, already own, and wanted to get to soon. Hurray!
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 28, 2013, 10:55:00 AM
I would have voted for "Not Ys" if it had been an option. I'm sick of RPGs winning these, but I guess it's what the people want.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Pandareus on February 28, 2013, 11:12:26 AM
As Jonny said on Facebook, Ys is more of a 2D Zelda game than an RPG.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on February 28, 2013, 11:42:33 AM
I was initially pissed that yet another RPG won the poll and was already to post my gripes but then I checked out Lucas Thomas's review and some of an FAQ and now I have changed my tune. Looks like a very fun Zelda clone. Looking forward to playing along.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: broodwars on February 28, 2013, 11:46:35 AM
The thing that irritates me about games like Ys winning is that it's building up a noticeable RPG fatigue on the forums. Then when a good RPG I actually care about like Baten Kaitos Origins comes up in these polls, it'll lose to some generic platformer b/c people are sick of doing RPGs in RetroActive.
As for the game, it's in my Virtual Console collection but I'm not particularly interested in playing it.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on February 28, 2013, 12:06:00 PM
Ys was nominated by multiple people and won the most votes. Clearly, there is strong interest in the game. I have played a good chunk of it, years ago, and feel safe in saying its not much like any game we've ever done for RetroActive. Secret of Mana is the closest, but Ys I much different even from that. I hope the dissenters will give it a chance. One consequence of a tight competition is that there are many jilted supporters of the losing candidates. Take heart, they will get another chance!
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: noname2200 on February 28, 2013, 01:39:29 PM
I would have voted for "Not Ys" if it had been an option. I'm sick of RPGs winning these, but I guess it's what the people want.
It has level-ups and you can change your armor/weapons. That's about as RPG as it gets. It's really more of a (very fast-paced) action game. They're even pretty short: Ys I lasts six hours at most, while Ys II is perhaps double that.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on February 28, 2013, 02:12:27 PM
The reason I voted for Y's is precisely because I've heard it isn't quite like any other RPG out there. If the choice had been another generic JRPG I probably would have voted for Rondo, but I've been genuinely interested in checking out Y's for years now because it sounds so unique. That's what Retroactive offers after all, the opportunity to play games we wouldn't normally play. I hope people who were dissappointed by the result will still join the discussion. I'm going to download this tomorrow and am really looking forward to trying it.
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: xcwarrior on March 01, 2013, 01:00:33 AM
I would have voted for "Not Ys" if it had been an option. I'm sick of RPGs winning these, but I guess it's what the people want.
It has level-ups and you can change your armor/weapons. That's about as RPG as it gets. It's really more of a (very fast-paced) action game. They're even pretty short: Ys I lasts six hours at most, while Ys II is perhaps double that.
That was the question I had about the length of the games. Good to know, thanks!
Title: Re: RFN RetroActive #26 Poll
Post by: lolmonade on March 01, 2013, 09:20:52 AM
I'll probably sit out this Retroactive, but am at least glad Zombies Ate My Neighbors didn't win out.
