Post by: The King of red Lions on May 26, 2003, 09:17:01 AM
Aonuma states that it will be a sequel to wind waker, much like majoras mask was to ocarina. This should go for both a continuation of the graphical style, and the story. This means the game will likely take place on Link and Tetras "new land". ( Just something that gets me mad, it will be tetra throughout the game instead of Zelda because she doesn't have the triforce anymore, that sucks ).
He says the playing field hasn't been decided on yet, but he must have a rough outline of the story and whether it takes place on land or in the sea.
---My guess is this: Stuff will start happening in the new kingdom. Link will start having dreams of Hyrule, and of its king sunk on the ocean floor. Ganon will rise (somehow) and come search for the triforce yet again. The king will return to aid Link and tell him where the triforce has been hidden.
The core of the plot still eludes me, but I bet this is the beginning. In one year it should be playable, meaning in 5-7 months, maybe even earlier at spaceworld, we should see screenshots and more storyline bits. I am already excited about this new chapter in the series, It will be great!
Post by: BoB007 on May 26, 2003, 09:45:08 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on May 26, 2003, 11:03:39 AM
just kidding, you didn't spoil everything, but wold you mind marking spoilers next time?
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 26, 2003, 02:09:38 PM
I doubt anything Ganon related will happen. The ending implies that Hyrule and Ganon are gone forever.
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Beyond that, I don't know. I'll see what happens. And BoB007, don't be so harsh. There's nothing better to call it yet, so for now, WW2 is perfectly acceptable.
Post by: BoB007 on May 27, 2003, 09:22:43 AM
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Post by: Rymir on May 28, 2003, 10:29:06 AM
Then the fact that Oot and MM really had nothing to do with one another, as I think will be the same for these two Gamecube Zeldas. Plus Gannon and Hyrule are GONE, get over it. I'm sorry but without Hyrule Zelda just isn't Zelda, and Gannon is what makes Zelda also. (Except maybe the first GB Zelda which was awesome). I'm not trying to be negative or anything, I just don't think the next Gamecube Zelda will be any good.
Of course in the next gen NES system things could be different... rumors already state that the REAL Link might be coming back, though I'm not positive how anything like that would work. Maybe Link would return from traveling through time and find himself in a joint quest with the Windwaker. (Windwaker is a title for the new Link, and Hero of Time refers to how the old link mastered time.)
Who knows how things will work out but I will probably not be as satisfyied with a sequel to Windwaker as I was to the original. I still prefer Oot's plot and the old Link. Link to the Past rocks, and Zelda I will always be the best.
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Post by: Lanseryl on May 28, 2003, 11:00:34 AM
Maybe Link's sea travel will take him to the land of the Gerudos. Or some mysterious Island. Doesn't need to be in Hyrule. You don't need Zelda or Ganon to get a great Zelda game : Link's Awakening is in my opinion the best of the series. You mesure the quality of a Zelda by the dungeon design, the puzzles, the gameplay. The plot is secondary.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 28, 2003, 11:46:51 AM
Post by: Squiggles the Chao on May 28, 2003, 05:17:50 PM
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I doubt anything Ganon related will happen. The ending implies that Hyrule and Ganon are gone forever.
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I seem to remember a certain ending from another Zelda game which implied the exact same thing.
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And the Master Sword Rests... FOREVER.
And whereas WW takes place after LTTP, I think, and they did bring Gannon back, it's possible that they will bring him back again.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 28, 2003, 06:03:47 PM
Post by: Tharkun on May 29, 2003, 07:35:03 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 29, 2003, 09:42:13 AM
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If you think about it Majora's Mask used the same game engine as OOT and they only spent about a year developing it so it wasn't that great.
Backup a bit. A year. Because they used the same engine, THEY ONLY NEEDED A YEAR TO COMPLETE IT. NOT 4 FRIGGIN' YEARS. That alone is worth appreciating. For a game that only took a year to make, it was pretty fukking great.
Post by: Lanseryl on May 29, 2003, 10:02:16 AM
QuoteWhy not ? we'll get a good game quicker that way, and it means lower developping costs on a game that will sell a lot for Nintendo : everyone is happy
Originally posted by: Tharkun
I don't think that they should use the same game engine as The Wind Waker.
Post by: thepoga on May 29, 2003, 01:11:02 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 29, 2003, 02:27:40 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 29, 2003, 02:37:08 PM
Take it how you will.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 29, 2003, 04:03:53 PM
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All I have to say is... "Hyrule has got to come back someday"
Take it how you will.
Sure, it'll come back. Exclusively on my floating, wireless Nintendo Tetrahedron.
Post by: Ninja X on May 31, 2003, 05:19:37 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 01, 2003, 07:51:09 AM
Yes, Hyrule may very well come back, but if so, I think it will be a game that occurs before Wind Waker. It was very clear that they wanted to try something new with the world.
As for "The Master Sword rests forever". . . they may have thought that was the last Zelda game at the time. The Zelda timeline runs on the whim of its creaters, not one puny line they thought would sound cool at the end of one of the stories. Lttp was Zelda still in its early stages, they weren't sure which way it would go. Now the series is well developed, and they probably know what they're going to do with it. Hyrule may come back, but only as a memory, I think.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 01, 2003, 09:39:06 AM
Though I wish for Hyrule to come back for the next game, I have a strong feeling that this next Zelda game will occur just after WW. The boat will probably be gone, as it seemed to be a one-time deal. Link and Tetra/Zelda will probably go to some distant land as implied at the end of the game. Also, because Ganon will not return until Hyrule does, a new villain will emerge.
/speculation
Post by: Ninja X on June 01, 2003, 04:10:48 PM
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I don't think the ending was supposed to be hard to understand. Your years of playing Zelda has brainwashed you.
Yes, Hyrule may very well come back, but if so, I think it will be a game that occurs before Wind Waker. It was very clear that they wanted to try something new with the world.
Perhaps. Or perhaps the land Link and Tetra find will be the new Hyrule. And they are guaranteed to find it.
Post by: Rymir on June 01, 2003, 04:26:48 PM
In another post (the post about the end of Windwaker) I go more into details about this, but my guess is the future Zeldas with the current Link will be a bridge between the three different Hyrules, the OoT Hyrule, the Hyrule Islands in Windwaker, and the LttP/LoZ Hyrule, of course no one knows for sure.
Post by: ResidentEvil on June 01, 2003, 05:25:00 PM
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Great. Another damn Cel-shaded Zelda. And people wonder why Nintendo will never get rid of its kiddie image.
And I wonder why there are so many graphics whores in the market. All these spoiled casual gamers with their fancy smooth 3D characters and "kill the prostitute" gameplay. I yearn for the old days where everyone drooled over Super Mario Brothers and the thing that made it fun...gameplay
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 01, 2003, 06:45:34 PM
The king distinctly says that it will not be a new Hyrule, it will be "[their] land". Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I think that's Nintendo telling us that they're heading for change with Zelda.
While we're sort of discussing Nintendo's "kiddie-ness", has anyone tried holding the Z button while starting up their cube? If not, try it. Laughing in the faces of those that call it a kiddie system. I found it out recently and found it to be as cool as heck. I love Nintendo.
Post by: LinkMaster3000 on June 03, 2003, 10:11:31 AM
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Post by: thepoga on June 03, 2003, 08:33:38 PM
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Wait a second Space Worlds back? Where did you find this out?
what? this came out of nowhere. why are u suddenly talking about spaceworld? ok...
well, i dont really know wat ur asking completely but im assuming that u dont know that spaceworld is an annual event.in japan. ok..
Resident Evil is really resentful of people( the guy's user name not the game). i really dont know what he is talking about all the time. does he like the simpsons? does he like anime? WW isnt even kiddy. it looks like a painting. its not intended for kids. it is supposed to be a unique art style. ok, im not a guy who always "praises" nintendo for whatever decision it makes. i used to dislike the way WW zelda looked. and i hated that metroid prime was 1st person. but i became a believer once i sunk my teeth into the game. i have disliked some things of nintendo which are almost inexucable. like mario party 4's not so great(but not horrible) graphics, when they could be so much better. or other stuff i wont mention. so ya. right...
I think that the sequal to wind waker will take place right after WW. the ending sorta sets up for it. i think it will be a sidequest in the way MM was a side quest. which means no ganon. but that doesnt really matter. i think that they shouldnt use ganon too much. like drac in castlevania like the guy earlier metnioned. i hope they can create a person who is very creative, and a person u can hate to the bottom of your soul. lol. like michael jackson!
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 08, 2003, 03:02:00 PM
I pretty much always trust Nintendo on their decisions, and they almost never disappoint. But I'm not an idiot, and I can see if something is wrong or messed up. Like Resident Evil
Seriously, though, I have a great respect for Nintendo, one of the few corporations that earned it. It took them several years to get it (around mid to end of 64 era; the games were good before then, but they needed to be good enough for a long enough span of time). I swear, if someone pulled a trick on the world, I'd be the last to fall for it. Maybe second to last.
Post by: Marcus Arillius on June 08, 2003, 08:15:38 PM
Post by: corwin on June 15, 2003, 04:35:16 AM
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Great. Another damn Cel-shaded Zelda. And people wonder why Nintendo will never get rid of its kiddie image.
oh boy....
Zelda was never intended to look realistic.
cell-shading is a good thing.
And spare me the kiddie talk...
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Post by: JNethery on June 19, 2003, 11:24:56 PM
I have been a Zelda fan since day 1. This is what I have to say:
OoT was great. MM was great too. I think that OoT's story was better, but MM was more entertaining to play (higher replay value). Wind Waker is by far the best yet. Amazing story and excellent replay value. There is no reason to think that Ganon can't come back. The first thing I thought of when I finished WW was "All you have to do is pull the sword out of his head and he could come back to life." All that happened was he turned to stone! Granted, it's likely not going to be Hyrule. Who cares? Hyrule isn't what makes a Zelda game. Link is. You could put Link on the freakin moon and it would still kick ass. Look at Link's Awakening! That game ruled! I also want to comment on a post where someone said MM had nothing to do with OoT... What??? MM had everything to do with OoT and WW!!! If you pay attention to what is said in all three then you will understand that they are all very closely related. Anyone who doubts that the next Zelda will be just as good as (if not better than) WW has not paid attention to the progression of the series so far, and obviously has no faith in the MAD SKILLZ of Miyamoto. That dude is a genius! He will not disappoint the fans (which is why - I think - they haven't made a Zelda movie yet. There's too much to live up to. If they screwed it up it would piss off everyone). Anyway, that's my two cents worth. I hope there's some people that understand what I'm saying (the true fans will). Later.
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Post by: DRJ on July 03, 2003, 10:09:28 AM
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I'm just hoping for the sequel to WW
Next year... I'm just glad its not a four year wait, I can make it one year.... maybe.
Post by: JNethery on July 03, 2003, 03:06:24 PM
I was just playing through Link's Awakening again (it's been awhile), and I realized something... Based on the theme of that game and the age that Link appears in it... I would say that it takes place about 10 years after WW and the Link in Link's awakening is the the same as in WW! Think about it... In the intro to Link's Awakening it shows an ocean with a ship sailing on it, but the ship gets caught in a storm. Link is onboard the ship and looks to be in his late teens/early twenties... The ship gets struck by lightening and Link is knocked unconscious and wakes up on an island! At the games conclusion, he wakes up on a piece of driftwood back in the ocean again. Sounds like it takes place about 10 years after WW right?
Also, if you feel that this theory doesn't work because most of the other elements are things from previous games (i.e., the ocarina, the owl, etc) that WW Link would know nothing about (and therefore he could not dream them), then think about this... In WW, Ganon says that Link is "surely the Hero of Time reborn". So if WW Link is a reincarnation of OoT Link, then deep within his subconscious mind would be the memories of his previous life/lives. In a dream, it would not be overly surprising to find those memories being brought to the surface.
It all seems to fit together pretty nicely I think! Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 03, 2003, 04:42:50 PM
I can add to that:
OH MY GOD TETRA AND THE PIRATES WERE KILLED AFTER BEING ATTACKED BY THE OCTO-URSULA-LITTLE-MERMAID SEA MONSTER AND LINK'S THE ONLY SURVIVOR AND ENDS UP ON SOME ISLAND naked.
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 04, 2003, 07:14:29 AM
But it's also the Wind Fish's Dream, so he could add those parts.Actually, I had considered this. But I don't want a remake of Awakening (even though it and WW are probably my favorite Zelda games), but a new game altogether. And while I can't be sure, a new game is what I think they're going to do.
Post by: JNethery on July 04, 2003, 10:06:30 AM
I think that they are kind of tossing the stories of the old games to the side and concentrating on making the story from OoT, MM, WW (and whatever games are to follow) connect up. There are a lot of people that have tried to figure out the timeline to the series and it's pretty much impossible with the previous Zelda games (prior to OoT). I think that we will see a clear storyline from now on though. The old games will never fit easily into the story/timeline of the current "series". I think that the old Zelda games were just games, but from OoT forward it has become an actual "series".
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 04, 2003, 02:08:18 PM
I know what you meant about the timeline thing. That's the light that I thought of it in, too. It'd be interesting if they did connect the stories somehow, but I, like you, also doubt it.
Post by: mjbd on July 07, 2003, 05:50:12 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 08, 2003, 03:02:53 AM
I can barely wait for F-zero. Playing WW through again to get all of the Nintendo Gallery is fun, but I could sure go for something new.
Post by: mjbd on July 08, 2003, 03:22:01 PM
Post by: DRJ on July 08, 2003, 03:35:59 PM
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I cant beleive that some people think that nintendo should scrap the WW engine, and start over. To me, thats just crazy talk.
I agree. I would rather have a sequel one year later than wait four years for each new game. Make WW then a sequel. Then make a new engine and make a couple more. I also dont think that the engine should get milked either, 2-3 games then try something fresh.
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 09, 2003, 07:16:12 AM
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Post by: KnowsNothing on July 15, 2003, 01:51:31 PM
But I agree, Termina did have a charm to it that just wasn't there in Hyrule. Cel-shaded Termina would be awsome, as would a cel shaded Koholint (Links Awakaning)*. I'm not against using Termina again either. I don't want a remake, but as long as the moon threat is gone, and they expaned the land a bit to add new areas and dungeons, going back to Termina would be a blast.
* This gives me an idea. Remember if you reached the end of the Great Sea? it said it would be too dangerous to go further. Maybe, in WW2, (Heh, World War 2 has the same initials, just noticed that) Link got a better boat and sailed off. He could reach Koholint that way! And Termina! They could design Koholint and Termina in cel shaded and put them both in the new game!
Post by: Ocarina Blue on July 15, 2003, 06:47:05 PM
Two of the side quests in Majora's Mask are good examples, the Anju and Kafei quest, and the Postman's quest. In the Anju and Kafei quest, Kafei is turned into a child, and has his wedding mask stolen, yet he beats this physically by getting his mask back, and mentally by marrying Anju despite being turned into a child. However, although the motivation for Kafei and Anju's actions are obvious, the only reason your character participates is to finish the game, not because you (the player) had a sudden burst of kind heartiness towards virtual characters. The quest fulfilled most areas, but it couldn’t offer a proper motivation for you to do it, it only punished you for not doing it. The postman's quest (the last part of it, anyway) involved the postman wanting to flee, but didn't dare, because he was obsessed with his job. But you could utilize this to set him free (by asking him to post the letter to the mayor's wife), who in turn told him that he could flee like everyone else. Once again, the game tried to give the player motivation to this by putting the postman in an unfortunate situation (wanting to leave, buy obsessed with his work, on the floor crying because of it), but people's emotions can't be aroused by virtual characters. If Majora's Mask was a movie, they could show Link shocked and distressed when he sees the postman, but because it is a game, and the player IS Link, they have to previously show that Link wants to help everyone he can, regardless of what they've done to him. In other words, because the game means little to the player, and the player controls the character, the character is emotionless; the only motivation that can be provided is a material reward at the end of a quest. If Nintendo could somehow show Link's emotion's in the next Zelda game, through some sort of notebook system where different characters get stamps or something overtime they are seen doing an act. Then games could be as deep as good books and poems, not as shallow as a lame action movie....
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 16, 2003, 05:46:19 AM
Post by: DRJ on July 18, 2003, 08:13:28 AM
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The only problem (sort of) is that no one aside from Link and a few deities realize that there is impending doom
I agree. I'm playing through the game for the second time and I got to the Tower of the Gods and decided to go do most of the side quests that I could to get all the heart pieces and even some triforce maps and nobody really seams to care about anything. I spend use the wind waker to go through tons of days to get some of the nintndo gallery finished, and also to collect tons of money from the magic pot that tingle makes in your home village. And nobody cares. If I talk to the boad he will say something lije what are you doing, you have to prove yourself at the tower of the gods to save your sister, but that is about it. There is no real urgancy to move forward.
One thing I liked in MM was that there was only this much time to finish. Everybody was worried about the moon crashing into the earth.
I enjoy all Zelda games, and have especially liked OoT, MM, and WW. The sequel will be great. I would just like a litle more urgancy put in there to make it seem like what you are doing is important.
Post by: Xshadow on July 24, 2003, 04:15:55 AM
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Post by: KnowsNothing on July 28, 2003, 04:36:18 PM
Actually, having the OoT character models, but cel-shading them would be the best of both worlds. Nintendo used cel-shading in WW to make it similar to the first LoZ. Shiggy wasn't partial to the darker style of OoT. He could retain the fantasy aspect of the game with the toon-shading, but please more casual gamers with the familiar character (designs) from OoT.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 29, 2003, 09:51:48 AM
Post by: Ocarina_Jedi on August 05, 2003, 04:30:26 PM
I think that for WW2, Link and Tetra/Zelda will come to some new land that was created by the seeds of the Deku Tree. If this is true, you can bet that their new foe will most likely be some spirit who had dwelt there for centuries since Hyrule was first flooded. He'll abduct something/someone and Link must retrieve it/him/her or lift some curse from the land. It's true that there have been successful games without Ganon, but how many people want to face another Majora's Mask? I think that though the games without Ganon have been good, the best ones had Ganon. This leads me to my next point:How many Zelda games have not had the Master Sword? (That's an honest question, I haven't played all of the games.) In order for Link to get the Master Sword back, he'll have to return to Hyrule and pull out the sword. This will most likely resurrect Ganon, who will reveal that the entire quest up to this point was a trick so that he could be revived.
On minor notes:
1) I agree that Termina would look good cel shaded, but I don't want to go back there in a new game, remake or not.
2) I think that if WW2 is truly a sequel, characters such as the Rito brought back to further recreate the connection.
3) I like the theory that Link's Awakening takes place after WW. Maybe it even comes after WW2 and bridges to the next game.
4) I think that WW2 will be fine with this engine, but I don't wanna see a WW3. After this one, I would like to see a new concept with a new engine, and just maybe, those 'real' graphics we all know the GameCube is capable of. (Picture Zelda with the graphics of StarFox Adventures.)
Post by: Ocarina Blue on August 05, 2003, 11:50:32 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 06, 2003, 03:00:08 PM
Yeah, I think it'd be nice to have a few Ritos make cameo appearances. It'd also be interesting if the world they went to had other connections to Hyrule, like what may have happened to the Gerudos, or something like that.
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Post by: Hostile Creation on August 07, 2003, 10:56:13 AM
And Knowsnothing. . . I may be wrong, but I think that avatar of yours exceeds the 64X64 rule. . . just maybe
Post by: Ocarina_Jedi on August 11, 2003, 08:05:04 AM
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Post by: Shadow Link on August 16, 2003, 03:55:54 AM
Its impossible for link to reclaim the Master Sword now that it is resting under the ocean in Ganodorfs Head so I doubt it would be a Ganondorf Game. Nintendo needs to keep it fresh by not having the same enemy in every game. I prefere Ganondorf over skull kid
but if they have Ganondorf in every game it will begin to be stupid. They should have a similar game to Majora's Mask as a sequal without Ganondorf and then have a proper 3d engine of the next Zelda for the N5 so then people can get the darker zelda ganondorf included.
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 16, 2003, 06:32:49 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 17, 2003, 07:33:36 AM
Post by: Oldskool on August 17, 2003, 09:24:44 AM
i dunno, just my idea...
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 17, 2003, 10:21:17 AM
Oh, brand new franchise. Didn't see that at first. Well, whatever.
Post by: Oldskool on August 18, 2003, 11:22:21 AM
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Sounds more like an RPG than a Zelda game to me. . .
Oh, brand new franchise. Didn't see that at first. Well, whatever.
It's got more RPG influence in it than Zelda, but it is still a Zelda-like game.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on August 18, 2003, 08:41:23 PM
Did you guys ever try to go beyond the map of the Great Sea?
King says that it's too dangerous and it hasn't been discovered yet, or something like that. Perhaps the new game will be set there? Setting a new adventure in the exact same place would be weird.
Besides, Ninty said that each adventure is a different Link in a different time period.
While WW2 is a direct sequel and will have the same Link from WW, the Zelda game AFTER WW2, which would be on GC2, might even be set BEFORE WW and OoT, where Hyrule has not yet been flooded by the gods.
I think WW2 would be influenced by the voyages of the past where explorers set out to find 'new worlds'. Perhaps when they find a new world, the people are plagued by evil, and that is where Link comes in. Tetra and her pirates may be downed and Tetra kidnapped, so that would be where the damsel in distress thing comes in.
Obviously the evil can't be Gannon, cause Link just turned him to stone. Perhaps the followers of Gannon set out and started summons to revive him and terrorized the people to prepare for his return?
We'll just have to find out.
Post by: Shorty McNostril on August 18, 2003, 10:56:54 PM
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Post by: Ocarina_Jedi on August 21, 2003, 02:14:53 PM
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I thought there was a master sword. My friend says that you upgrade it.
MM did have a 'master' sword, but not THE Master Sword. Unlike in OoT, where you had to find the Master Sword, in MM you took your sword to the smothy and if you had enough cash, he'd upgrade it two times.
If WW2 is going to be what MM was to OoT, then maybe it won't have the Master Sword. But MM wasn't a real sequel, so if WW2 is a sequel, it might have just about everything the same as WW except in a new place.
Post by: Ocarina_Jedi on August 21, 2003, 02:17:28 PM
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Post by: Hostile Creation on August 23, 2003, 12:38:35 PM
I do think it's possible that he'll come back, though I might prefer it if he didn't. It just strikes me as humorous that everyone assumes he will, not even bothering to say IF he comes back, such and such will happen. They just say, yeah, he's coming back. I think it's kind of funny.
Post by: littledrunkard on August 27, 2003, 01:40:01 PM
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Post by: Marcus Arillius on August 28, 2003, 11:13:36 AM
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and i'm so glad it's cel-shaded, because when has Zelda EVER been 'realistic' as people seem to keep calling it? OoT wasn't realistic whatsoever! you're all basing these hopes on that one video that was released with Link fighting Ganondorf, but in my mind that wasn't Zelda! if you want something like that go play Morowind or Everquest! 'nough said!!!
Of course no-one actually thinks its "realistic." It's just a way to describe the style of the other games versus the cel-shading without having to say something like "the not cel-shaded version of zelda" or something along those lines. We don't need to delve into semantics here.
Post by: rpglover on August 29, 2003, 04:13:45 PM
technically you saw zelda in the game for about 5 seconds on the opening cinema- but that's just being picky
Post by: ILOVENINTENDO on November 12, 2003, 07:26:53 AM
Post by: The King of red Lions on November 12, 2003, 02:55:13 PM
Anyway, the topic I started arguing about in May was this......
If they were to Kill Ganon off in Wind Waker, he would not have been molded into stone. He would have broken into many pieces, signifying the breaking of his body, signifying his death.
BUT, He didn't. Nintendo chose not to destroy Ganon or the master sword ( It would've broken as well, as its purpose would've been completed ) . Instead, Nintendo chose to basically, chryogenically freeze Ganondorf and the master sword together, creating a bond. We have seen bonds like this before in Zelda games, and they can span multiple games, passing even to the next generation of systems.
This is definetly the case we have here, as Nintendo has 2 storylines to develop.
-The bond of Ganondorf/Master Sword + Hyrule
-Link and Tetra sailing off to a new land(kinda mirrors MM as Link goes off to another dimension)
-The latter plot we will see in Wind Waker 2, with maybe some foreshadowing of the return of Ganon
- On the N5, Hyrule will return in some way as the bond between sword and flesh is broken, somehow... someway.
To sum up, the Zelda of old is not gone, but has been stowed away nicely by nintendo until they see fit to release it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 12, 2003, 02:57:04 PM
(and no stupid ideas like, "Dur they would make another one...")
Post by: Berny on November 13, 2003, 03:04:07 PM
Post by: Ocarina Blue on November 13, 2003, 05:11:55 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 13, 2003, 05:19:32 PM
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on November 14, 2003, 08:36:11 AM
Remember Ganondorf has yet to become the Pig-monster he becomes in the earlier games.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 14, 2003, 09:24:37 AM
Yes he has. Wind Waker without a doubt comes after Ocarina of Time where Ganondorf became Ganon the pig monster. In Wind Waker he just spends all his time in his human form (something that I thought was quite inconsistent with the other games).
Here's what I think would make a good storyline for WW2. Link and Tetra find a new land and discover that on it there's a way to resurrect Hyrule. They then set out to do it and along the way fight monsters that awake to prevent you from doing it because they feel that by resurrecting Hyrule there's a possibility for future generations to awaken Ganon. The boss for each dungeon is a guardian that wants to prevent you from doing it. This way the game has a darker feel. Link would initially think that what he's doing is right but as he continues it hints that what he's doing could have a negative effect on everything. It's like how Link's Awakening Link's mission to awaken the Wind Fish but there's the dilema that waking the Wind Fish will destroy Koholint Island. In the end he resurrects Hyrule and that explains why there's no big ocean in the other games.
This storyline then can tie in directly with the N5 Zelda. That game can take place hundreds of years later and a new evil has come to Hyrule. The Link of that time sets out to find the Master Sword to defeat the evil. Unfortunately when he retrieves the sword it turns out it was a trick by Ganon all along so that someone would retrieve the sword and thus free him.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on November 14, 2003, 09:42:48 AM
At best it was a hint at what he could become with continued exposure to the triforce peice.
But your Idea is pretty decent.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 14, 2003, 10:56:57 AM
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on November 14, 2003, 11:42:11 AM
Wind Waker which is chronologically earlier as far as the timeline is concerned he has yet to make the full transformation and is still more Gerudo than monster.
From LTTP onwards all of his appearances are as Ganon, in LOZ 1 he appeared as Ganon and anytime you died in LOZ 2 he was reborn as Ganon.
Post by: Ocarina Blue on November 14, 2003, 05:06:56 PM
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on November 15, 2003, 09:49:50 AM
Post by: the_zombie_luke on November 15, 2003, 08:35:45 PM
Post by: Ocarina Blue on November 16, 2003, 12:04:49 AM
Post by: VideoGamerX on November 16, 2003, 07:56:30 AM
Post by: Berny on November 16, 2003, 11:13:16 AM
If it is you, WHOAH.
If not, don't mess with me. I will mess you up!
lol
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 16, 2003, 01:57:03 PM
QuoteYes, EAD took out the Jabun dungeon and one other unknown dungeon from WW...
Originally posted by: the_zombie_luke
I just want more dungeons. Is it true that they cut some dungeons from Wind Waker? I hope they didn't and I hope this game is land based, but I think Wind Waker 2 will be awesome. I didn't like Majora's Mask too much, but I think Anouma did a pretty good job with WW, but he put too much emphasis on the side quests.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 16, 2003, 03:24:28 PM
I'm sort of hoping they let out a bonus or add on disc or something. Heck, I'd play through it a fourth time just to do those two levels.
Post by: Ocarina Blue on November 16, 2003, 04:06:03 PM
Post by: OcarinaGalvatron on November 16, 2003, 08:00:24 PM
Post by: Ocarina Blue on November 16, 2003, 08:16:21 PM
Post by: the_zombie_luke on November 17, 2003, 07:19:40 AM
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Yes, EAD took out the Jabun dungeon and one other unknown dungeon from WW...
Dang, that really dissappoints me. I also heard they were cut due to time constraints, but I read they were cut out because they were too hard. If Nintendo keeps releasing short Zeldas, I may not buy them anymore. I didn't buy MM. If the next one is short, why should I bother?
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 17, 2003, 08:28:59 AM
Post by: the_zombie_luke on November 17, 2003, 11:28:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill
Because length is not directly proportional to how fun a game is...
Difficulty is another factor where Wind Waker came up short. If the dungeons were harder, then there would be more playtime. Some of Wind Waker's dungeons also are too similar to Ocarina of Time. I don't mind them recycling some of the bosses, because Awakening re-used some of Link to the Past's bosses, but I wish they would stop cutting dungeons. There are cases when a game is superb and excellent, like Ocarina of Time, where you want more, even though the game had a pretty good length. Wind Waker was a game that felt like it was missing something, despite its gains over Ocarina in terms of story and combat. Viewtiful Joe seems to be short, but it has the right amount of play time, just like Super Mario Bros 3. Relative to other Zeldas (excluding Majora's Mask) Wind Waker seems incomplete.
Post by: Ocarina Blue on November 17, 2003, 02:47:00 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill
Because length is not directly proportional to how fun a game is...
Not directly, but of all the things in a game, content is the most important part to me. All the Zelda games other than WW have been challenging and long, so what else other then resource constrants would have compelled Nintendo to make WW shorter?
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 18, 2003, 02:37:10 PM
And again, here's wishing for the two dungeons being available, eventually
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 18, 2003, 03:03:47 PM
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Post by: Ocarina Blue on November 20, 2003, 09:16:43 PM
Post by: Oldskool on November 24, 2003, 07:45:10 AM
I think that the sequal will take place sometime soon after WW, perhaps sea travel will not be a huge factor. I have a prediction I posted a while back that said WW2 will be to WW what MM was to OOT. It will have a similar engine, and many similar charactor designs, but it will have one huge innovative feature that the game is built around. In MM's case it was the 3-day system.
Post by: Polemistis on November 28, 2003, 05:59:55 PM
I think that they should bring someone back...someone close to Ganon/Ganondorf. The villian needs to get some mysterious item to bring back Ganon/Ganondorf. Then Link gets an unexpected visit from...Navi? Hehe. Thus, he must set out once again and stop the villian from freeing Ganon/Ganondorf. BUT in the final battle at the end of the game, after Link strikes the villian down, the villian with his last breath manages to somehow free Ganon/Ganondorf. And the game ends there. The third installment of Links biggest adventure will come on Nintendos next big console, N5. And they better make it realistic graphics(not that I didn't like cel-shaded, I think it was a nice new look), but it would look so damn sweet realistic. Oh ya, maybe there should be more magic use.
Post by: -GANON- on December 04, 2003, 03:34:06 PM
Post by: Jale on December 12, 2003, 01:52:13 PM
I was playing OoT erlier tonight and I was fighting Twinrova and I thought....hang on where do they go? I mean the die but then they return in the Oracle series. I know that the Oracle series was a bit out-of-timeline but they still made an appearence. Perhaps they used their magic to get out of death and then freed Ganon. PERHAPS THEY COULD DO IT AGIAN!
So here is some speculation! (not really spoilers becuse it is not based on much)
Remember Navi? That pain that says listen? Well think: What happened to her. Perhaps she became a great fairy! So maybe hile Link is on the big ship she finds him and tells him (while link has a hilarious scared expression on his face) that Koume and Kotoke have come back and are trying to revive Ganon (they could have another funny sisterly squabbling thing while they try to remove the sword). Therefore you would have to go and stop them...how you may ask? Maybe by finding the people (or spirits/descendents of the people) who made the master sword. You could then make a new one. Of course to get the divine power you would need to get some sages (other than the two you already have) but you are in the middle of the great sea! So Navi sends you back to find sages...perhaps in cell shaded places seen in the other games (Termina, Old Hyrule) using...the Ocarina of Time AND the Wind Baton\h]
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 12, 2003, 01:59:01 PM
Post by: Mario on December 12, 2003, 05:54:24 PM
Post by: Jale on December 13, 2003, 05:30:29 AM
Pegasus Boots - These I just found quite fun becuse running does get tedious
Roc's Feather - I found Link's inability to jump straight up very perplexing
Megaton Hammer - Baddie. Squish. Nuff Said.
Hover Boots - I liked this concept
Gauntlets - They looked cool
Multiple Tunics - Maybe even more than three!
I also wouldn't mind seeing the slingshot again but Im not too worried about that
Here are some items I DONT Want to see agian
Lens of Truth - Annoying Invisible things!!
Longshot - I thought that this was just a cheap tacked on item because they couldn't think of anything better
Anyone else got any other ideas?
Post by: Ocarina_Jedi on December 13, 2003, 06:23:09 AM
BTW, I like the Twinrova theory. That boss has got to be one of the best made in the Zelda series. I will never get tired of fighting her/them. I can see a storyline in WW2 where Link learns that Twinrova is trying to free Ganondorf once more. It becomes a race to see who can get to the Master Sword first, but naturally, Link has to find a way back to Hyrule, sending him on his new epic quest. Ah, what a game that would be.
I think that the multiple tunics will come back too. But didn't we already get the Megaton Hammer back? The Skull Hammer was just as good IMO.
Post by: Jale on December 13, 2003, 06:41:30 AM
Perhaps if it is another level on the sea they could have something like dimitri, or Fishman! What if you could call a fishman to your aid who would carry you between islands. No more sailing!
Post by: ib2kool4u912 on December 13, 2003, 12:02:55 PM
Post by: Jale on December 14, 2003, 05:27:07 AM
Post by: ib2kool4u912 on December 14, 2003, 06:19:05 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 14, 2003, 06:38:29 AM
Post by: Jale on December 14, 2003, 07:39:31 AM
Here are some suits I would like to see in WWII:
Original Green
Gorons Tunic
Zoras Tunic
Ruto Tunic - Increased Jump (gliding?)
Lies Tunic - Makes you invisible to most enemies apart from those with the lense of TRUTH symbol
Anyone got any ideas for good masks?
Post by: -LinK- on December 14, 2003, 10:29:22 AM
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Originally posted by: Jale
The hammers weren't usually ment for fighting, they were puzzle solving items.
Are you kidding? I used the hammer against everything! I love smacking them in the head. Especially those annoying rats that never seem to die.
Post by: Jale on December 14, 2003, 10:37:59 AM
Post by: Berny on December 15, 2003, 04:11:30 PM
*sigh*
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 15, 2003, 04:15:48 PM
Post by: Jale on December 16, 2003, 07:25:17 AM
Post by: silverdonut on December 16, 2003, 11:28:16 AM
Berny, trust me. I have been trying since forever to find some screenshots from WW2. But no such luck. Don't worry, if I ever find anything (which I probably won't) I'll show them to you.
Post by: Jale on December 16, 2003, 11:41:17 AM
Post by: pcpltd on December 19, 2003, 12:07:08 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 19, 2003, 06:58:11 PM
Try not to think too logically
Post by: dee kay on December 19, 2003, 07:24:52 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 19, 2003, 07:30:14 PM
And so does WW. I suppose it just depends on your taste in stuff like that. . .
Post by: norebonomis on December 19, 2003, 07:48:37 PM
Post by: Jale on December 20, 2003, 10:36:58 AM
Also I have a new idea...bring back Deku sticks as carriable items again but not as we know them. Perhaps you can use them as normal when you tap the button (ie carry & burn) but if you hold the button and target a special hollow/place on the ground you could get a small cutscene (like with the grappling hook and the hookshot) of Link running at the point and pole-vaulting, perhaps to clear a wall or a small stretch of water/lava. Also there should be cooler ways of using deku sticks in fights, like if you charge up a spin attack instead of just using it like a sword Link spins it round like people usually spin a staff (if you really need a better idea of what this looks like play as Kilik on SC2 or watch the title music of Buffy Series 6/7, Spike does it).
And also I have an idea of how Nintendo can keep the Wind Waker in the storyline but at the same time bring back the Ocarina. Remember how the King said that he used to conduct the sages (or how the sages said the king used to conduct for them)? well perhaps Link should give it to a member of the Royal family...Tetra!
Now you may disect and critisize my ideas
Post by: evil intentions on December 21, 2003, 12:10:29 PM
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Originally posted by: pcpltd
Nah, I don't think so. How do fish people just all of a sudden turn into flying birds?
That's the nice thing about games. Anything can happen.
Post by: Jale on December 23, 2003, 10:00:50 AM
I think that the KoRL does return in WW2 but he is no longer a talking ship. If you remember at the end of WW Link was in the KoRL even thought the king was underwater in Hyrule.
Perhaps Navi will posses the boat and it will become...Navi-like. Personally I would despise a pink ship but how about a golden one with a female figurehead that is Navi as an "ascended" fairy (not a great fairy, just-better-than-your-average. The great fairies looked wierd...). Navi would look great as a japanese-anime style girl.
Post by: evil intentions on December 23, 2003, 02:02:58 PM
Post by: Jale on December 24, 2003, 08:29:11 AM
Post by: norebonomis on December 24, 2003, 06:13:31 PM
google image search: dragon boat
i have seen paintings (i couldn't find any with google) of boats that are painted almost exactly like the king of red lions, i find this very interesting and i assume it is a part of japanese culture
Post by: Jale on December 25, 2003, 10:30:13 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 25, 2003, 02:12:37 PM
Post by: norebonomis on December 25, 2003, 03:48:31 PM
Post by: Mulato_link on December 25, 2003, 10:03:27 PM
If they dont use cel shading (the smart thing to do if u ask me) they should have something following some were along the lines of majoras mask
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 26, 2003, 07:09:32 AM
Post by: norebonomis on December 26, 2003, 04:04:15 PM
Post by: Jale on December 27, 2003, 06:51:43 AM
Post by: Ocarina_Jedi on December 27, 2003, 12:04:11 PM
Post by: Jale on December 28, 2003, 10:36:43 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 28, 2003, 12:20:33 PM
Post by: Guitar Smasher on December 28, 2003, 03:50:45 PM
Post by: Polemistis on December 29, 2003, 05:55:12 AM
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Originally posted by: Ocarina_Jedi
Who would honestly take the Quadra-force of Destruction?
-Twin Rova Sisters
-Shadow Link
-A Gerudu (but I think they were all killed by the flood in WW)
-Some evil creature of uncharted land
-A lonley villager person who finds it and goes crazy with its power
Post by: Jale on December 29, 2003, 07:02:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Ocarina_Jedi
Who would honestly take the Quadra-force of Destruction? (Besides Ganondorf, but he's already got a piece so he doesn't count).
Perhaps the piece he has IS the "quadra-force" of destructive power.
Post by: FlameDangerJames on December 29, 2003, 10:14:51 AM
Termina is a parallel world to Hyrule. So all the people were parallel incase you didn't notice. That is the reason there was no GANON...HOLD UP... NO GANON? That was where Majora's Mask and the Oni Mask (aka Deity Fierce Mask) came into it because they were parallel to Ganon and Link. (Wow it seems clear now doesn't it?) So basically Termina was Hyrule except with a mirror image of the people. Obviously Link stayed in Termina, because if you saw the end of the game Zora Link was there playing his guitar... YES ZORA LINK!!! Does it make sense now? That was why the new link was reborn. So obviously because Link didn't go back to Hyrule after Majora's Mask BAM! Hyrule fell to pieces (or flooded more like) thus bringing us to Wind Waker. (I'm sure most of what I said alot of you already know, but I said it for a reason). Which leads me to believe WW2 will either have to somehow focus on parallel worlds somehow if it will be like OOT and MM... but I ask you to play through MM again because it has such a deep story line. The Skull Kid and Link have so much in common. The same with Majora and Firece Deity. Some people claim Majora and Fierce Deity were once friends etc. but they turned against each other etc. etc. leading to Majora being entrapped into a mask... but wait, Majora somehow lead the Skull Kid to be able to control it. Same with Link, after he got all the mask he was given the Fierce Deity Mask...maybe I'm confusing you right now but basically the reason why Skull Kid got Majora's Mask wasn't because he was evil but was because (if you read what he says) "I was lonely, I just wanted someone to play with" or something like that, leading me to believe the Skull Kid and Majora's Mask have some subconcious link. Thus bringing me to other things like Fierce Deity and Link. What link do these two have? Some people say Fierce Deity is Link's dad, but how can that be if there are parallel universes? Damn Zelda you baffle me too much, but I'm trying to make sense.
Anyways moving off MM and onto WW2, this obviously takes place after OOT,MM AND WW. So far we've had the stories of the sages, the story of the gods of Termina and the story of what happend after OOT. Well it would only make sense if this was a sequel to MM. It may sound weird but it only makes sense. WW was technically the sequel to OOT while MM has no squel. May I remind you that the guy who worked on MM's story line is working on WW2 storyline so what to expect? BTW incase you're wondering who the hell I am, I just found these forum on google looking for Zelda rumours. I probably won't post here again since I'll forget the link (lol) but I just wanted to post my views, see ya soon peeps.
EDIT: Also don't you think the happy mask man is weird? Here is why.
1). He is always smiling (that should be enough)
2). The only time he looked pissed off was when Link doesn't return Majora's Mask to him... hmmm.. weird? (And no, don't say he's pissed off because of the moon hitting Termina, he's obviously pissed off for another reason.)
3). Hello? This man can travel between dimensions.... he's a mysterious person.
4). How does he have so much knowledge about Majora's Mask? Not even alot of the people of Termina know much about it.
5). This guy has alot of knowledge, because he knew the song of healing which cured Link.
Yes that's all for now.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 29, 2003, 11:48:40 AM
Post by: Jale on December 29, 2003, 11:51:26 AM
1) There are LOTS of Links... The Hero of Time, The "link from the past" Link, the Wind Waker, and the Link from the first two games.
2) A new Link was born (not reborn!!) to battle evil, the old one had died decades ago!
Post by: FlameDangerJames on December 29, 2003, 12:05:13 PM
Post by: Jale on December 29, 2003, 12:10:37 PM
"ooo me back, it must be a curse from Ganon...Take that sonny jim!....Respect your elders young Moblin! In My day..."
Argh! Bad Image! Dirty old man Link perving on Zelda!
WW is set decades after OoT and MM so he cant be alive. MM merely gives a reason why he disappeared from Hyrule.
Post by: FlameDangerJames on December 29, 2003, 12:13:43 PM
Post by: Jale on December 29, 2003, 12:40:58 PM
Post by: FlameDangerJames on December 29, 2003, 12:47:11 PM
Post by: Jale on December 29, 2003, 12:51:27 PM
Post by: FlameDangerJames on December 29, 2003, 12:55:21 PM
Post by: Jale on December 29, 2003, 01:05:51 PM
Now we have started the whole Quadra-froce thing, perhaps Link obtains the evil Triforce and uses the power to strenghten the Royal Line, therefore making them very powerful indeed. Or it could be used to make the Shiekah. They are the Shadow Folk, they could be founded on a dark force.
Im full of theories tonight
Perhaps Agahnim is a Royal descendant who uses the power for evil. Perhaps the evil does show through every few generations.
Post by: FlameDangerJames on December 29, 2003, 01:12:10 PM
Post by: Jale on December 29, 2003, 01:17:20 PM
Thats German for ultimate i think... (except it has an umlaut over the "u", thats two dots)
How is Link Uber?
Post by: FlameDangerJames on December 29, 2003, 01:20:56 PM
Post by: Jale on December 29, 2003, 01:29:16 PM
Post by: FlameDangerJames on December 29, 2003, 01:33:16 PM
Post by: Jale on December 29, 2003, 01:44:55 PM
Sorry my imagination is running away with me!
I think MM was just a sort of side game like Tetra's Trackers. Its part of the series, but not a core element like WW and OoT.
The Ocarina of Time should allow Link to travel through Time. It would be good if Link finds the Ocarina and uses it to go back in time to before OoT.
Post by: FlameDangerJames on December 29, 2003, 01:49:56 PM
Post by: Jale on December 29, 2003, 01:58:07 PM
MM was a proper game not like Tetra's Trackers, but it isnt one that affects history of Hyrule. LoZ, LA (1), LttP, OoT and WW were the core history games but LA (2), The Oracles and MM are games that flesh out the Zelda universe so it isnt all just about Hyrule and Zelda and the Triforce.
Post by: FlameDangerJames on December 29, 2003, 02:00:13 PM
Post by: Jale on December 29, 2003, 02:06:02 PM
Post by: FlameDangerJames on December 29, 2003, 02:10:42 PM
Post by: FlameDangerJames on December 30, 2003, 01:21:52 AM
Anyway say you start the quest as a 10 year old, and after the first 3 dungeons you are 13 years old, and are at last old enough to wield the Master Sword.
Then you must complete The Hero's 4 Trials, each involving a dungeon. (Trial of Strength, Trial of Knowledge, Trial of Magic, Trial of Illusion) Link would grow one year with each dungeon's completion, and having completed all of them, would be 17 and the worthy of the hero of time and breaking the barrier on Ganon's castle.
After defeating Ganon, a light breaks through the ceiling and lifts him up, igniting him with power. Ganon levitates Link with his magic and chucks him out the window... as Link falls to the sea below, he sees Ganon's castle rise high into the sky, glowing with magic.
After returning to the Temple of Time, Link sees an egg where the Master Sword had been pulled - the sages tell Link he must hatch the egg by undergoing the final test: The Four Trials of Legend: Trial of Time, Trial of Temptation, Trial of the Fallen, Trial of the Gods. One of these trials would involve a dungeon in which running away from enemies caused them to become stronger. Another trial would involve a viscous fight with an empowered being of the past: OniShadow Link!
Having completed the four more difficult trials Link will earn the status of legend and return to the temple of time. The sages would be surrounding the egg as it hatched, into... a dragon! Link would have this dragon to ride for the rest of the game, and could fly it wherever he wanted, seeking out breath attacks such as fire, ice, light, and shadow breaths. When ready, the player would fly the dragon to Ganon's floating kingdom and engage in the final dungeon of the game...
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Four Trials of the Hero
Trial of Strength: Link will traverse a network of caves below the desert floor to find an ancient palace, home to the powerful Collosus of Gerudo. Many enemies within the palace are made of sand or mud, and have a weakness for water... bombing certain walls, pushing certain statues may reveal a supply...
Item found: Gerudo Spear - use while running to poll-vault over chasms. When standing still, Link will poll-vault in place, preventing floor obstacles from damaging him until he tips over.
Trial of Wisdom: In the cold plains of northern Hyrule lies a city made of stone, abandoned for centuries. Within it are statues littered everywhere, petrified by a Basilisk who has covered the area with magic runes which must be deciphered using knowledge.
Item found: Mirror shield - will protect Link from the Basilisk's petrifying sight. By reflecting light through lenses, the Mirror Shield can also generate large amounts of heat to ignite flamable vegetation or explosives.
Trial of Magic: There is a lake in heart of the Lost Woods which only appears under starlight - however there are trees above it's surface (hint: use mirror shield to redirect star light to the surface). A shrine for the spirtis lies at its depth, protected by magic-wielding enemies and barriers... it is guarded by a headless horseman with a shape-shifting magic sword that can take the form of any conventional weapon...
Item found: Magic Hammer - can shatter magic barriers. It's shockwaves damage spiritual enemies immune to physical weapons.
Trial of Illusion A tall mountain in eastern Hyrule has been called too dangerous to explore. While the mountain is said to hold vast treasures, many have died trying to collect them, as they are not all real. The mountain is filled with magma-ridden caverns... there are said to be unseen paths within the lava.
A very large demon hides in the lave, yet no one has ever seen its face.
Item Found - Power Bracelet: Link will commonly have to throw stones into the lava to see whether they splash or break in mid air, to see where the illusionary path across lies.
Four Trials of Legend Coming soon!
There are three introductory dungeons, each containing a piece of the broken Master Sword. Link returns to the Temple of Time where the seven sages tell him to repair the sword, he must undergo the Four Trials of the Hero. By completing the trials, the Hero of Time will be summoned to complete the blade. Until he has passed the four trials, the sage's bestow onto Link the white sword. The sages tell Link that this sword once served a similar purpose as the Master Sword in whiping out evil.
When Link completes the Four Trials of the Hero, he returns to the Temple of Time where a large cutscene shows the Hero of Time appear from the past, to complete the broken sword. Link then grabs the Master Sword and heads to Ganon's castle. As I described before, after a brief fight with Ganon, the evil wizard tosses Link effortlessly out the window. As Link falls through the air, he see's Ganon's castle rise from the ground, floating up into the sky within a field of magic.
Crawling back to the Temple of Time with the Master Sword in his hand, the sages tell Link he must undergo the final test of his virtue: The Four Trials of Legend. By becoming a Legend, Link will awake The Wings of the Gods. The Hero of Time appears once more, leaving in his place a large golden egg with the triforce's marking on the side.
Link completes the four trials of Legend (the final four dungeons of the game) and returns back to the Temple of Time. The egg hatches into the gold dragon which Link can now ride up into the sky to reach Ganon's floating kingdom. The 12th and final dungeon of the game.
There are three introductory dungeons, each containing a piece of the broken Master Sword. Link returns to the Temple of Time where the seven sages tell him to repair the sword, he must undergo the Four Trials of the Hero. By completing the trials, the Hero of Time will be summoned to complete the blade. Until he has passed the four trials, the sage's bestow onto Link the white sword. The sages tell Link that this sword once served a similar purpose as the Master Sword in whiping out evil.
When Link completes the Four Trials of the Hero, he returns to the Temple of Time where a large cutscene shows the Hero of Time appear from the past, to complete the broken sword. Link then grabs the Master Sword and heads to Ganon's castle. As I described before, after a brief fight with Ganon, the evil wizard tosses Link effortlessly out the window. As Link falls through the air, he see's Ganon's castle rise from the ground, floating up into the sky within a field of magic.
Crawling back to the Temple of Time with the Master Sword in his hand, the sages tell Link he must undergo the final test of his virtue: The Four Trials of Legend. By becoming a Legend, Link will awake The Wings of the Gods. The Hero of Time appears once more, leaving in his place a large golden egg with the triforce's marking on the side.
Link completes the four trials of Legend (the final four dungeons of the game) and returns back to the Temple of Time. The egg hatches into the gold dragon which Link can now ride up into the sky to reach Ganon's floating kingdom. The 12th and final dungeon of the game
EDIT: Going into more detail.
Plot of WW2.
In the beginning of the game, as soon as you start a new file, Adult Link is in a burning castle. Flames erupt from the floor and walls, bringing curtains and stone pillars crashing down all around you. Dush shoots out of debris as it shatters on the ground... behind it is a voice screaming "help me Link!" in the distance. The music is a remix of the LTTP castle-in-the-rain song that was also in the beginning. (these rainy scenes have become a classic prelude to many Zelda adventures)
Suddenly you are in control of Adult Link: you run forward, dodging the falling objects as the castle falls apart all around you. Going from room to room, you enter at the balcony of a large foyer, suddenly the ceiling splits open as fire and ash spill through in an explosion of dust. The floor is a sea of fire... choicelessly you swing from chandelier to chandelier across to the other side.
Going further into the castle you eventually come outside where it is raining violently, wind swirling around the night sky as the sea glows with moonlight behind it. You race up several flights of stone stairs with the voice still crying in the far distance... suddenly the stairs begin to split down the middle as huge piece of stone fall hundreds of feet to the sea below. Quickly you race upward, jumping over holes and staring blindly through the rain and dust. Eventually you re-enter the highest floor of the castle.
As Link moves to the back of the highest floor, he will again find a balcony leading to outside. The voice suddenly becomes extremely clear, as Link stops (cut scene)and stairs up at the endlessly high tower in front of him, a huge wall of vines running down it, blowing violently in the wind. Halfway up the wall of vines is a giant man in black armor with a blonde girl slung over his shoulder, climbing up slowly. "Help me Link!" she cries. The man in black armor (Ganon) turns his head down and makes eye contact with Link. He then proceeds to climb quickly as the girl screams.
You are in control again: you run forward and latch on to the wall and start climbing up - the second you do, another quick cut scene shows Ganon kicking off pieces of rock from the wall as he climbs: the camera swings below your feet and stairs up at the sky. As you climb up the vines, which blow chaotically into the wind and barely ever touch the wall itself, huge slabs of rock fall from above you. Dodging them carefully by swinging the vine left to right, or jumping to other vines, you climb higher and high, the rain shooting down like arrows and the sound of the sea crashing violently below you. Eventually about halfway up, another cutscene shows the man climb into a small gold-lit window, pulling the girl in with him. You scurry up the rest of the way and climb into the window. You've only a glimpse of the girl's face before suddenly all the light swirls around and vanishes...
"Link! Link wake up...we're going to be late!" Suddenly you see child Link sleeping in his bed, slowly turning over and sitting up to rub his eyes. Link's uncle sits in front of him and offers him a warm smile: "Come on and get dressed, we're going to miss the Princess's Fair!"
You get up and put on your green Kokiri tunic and go downstairs where your uncle waits. "Remember Link, today is the day all the people of Hyrule will gather at the castle to meet the new princess. It will be a huge, splendid event! There will be games, parties, hundreds of people from all the corners of Hyrule!" He explains it to you as he prepares the both of you some soup.
Not long afterwards, your uncle and you leave the house, going outside to where a horse is tied to a post. He climbs up, then helps you onto the back seat. With a kick the horse takes off, and the two of you head north to Hyrule castle as the bright sky opens with the flare of early noon.
For the next few minutes you see the horse racing through the fields of Hyrule, Link holding on to his uncle as the horse races through fields, forests, desert... the player is offered a brief glimpse of the areas of Hyrule before the quest has really begun. In the background, the traditiononal Legend of Zelda theme song booms with bright fanfare, while the game's credits appear in the sky.
After a few minutes, you see Hyrule Castle in the distance (still a cutscene), a large shadow of several towers and hundreds of buildings. Around it is a large wall and moat, with several hundred horses and wagons pouring into the entrance: quite an impressive CG sequence!
The next scene is top down on thousands of Zora, Goron, Kokiri and Hylians, all parading around the city. Baloons pour into the sky, fireworks are going off everywhere, kids are running around as the sound of laughter and bells chime all around you. It is a joyous fair and suddenly you are in control of child Link again, as your uncle ties the horse up: "Meet me back here in an hour, okay Link? We don't want to miss the Princess's unveiling."
For the next 15 or so minutes you can run around the giant sized Hyrule court at will: everywhere it would seem there is something to do. Games, prizes, events, races... more impressive is the sheer number of people on the street. - there are literally hundreds. Children and chickens run all around you, as the sound of singing and dancing surrounds you and you just...feel like you are there.
When the time comes to meet your uncle, the two of you follow everyone else to the front of the castle. You are now two people in a huge audience in front of the door, which slowly opens as everyone lines up, to show respect for the people who will be walking out.
Royal guards march out on gallant horses of armor with pikes, coming to a stop at the four corners of the city square. A red carpet rolls out of the doorway, as trumpets begin to sound and the audience begins to cheer. Link and his uncle smile at each other with anticipation.
The King of Hyrule, Princess Zelda, and Ganon walk out surrounded by a few nobleman, lords, and a circle of bodyguards. Suddenly the camera zooms in on Link's face as his eyes widen and his jaw drops: it is the girl and man from his dream!
The camera returns to the King, Zelda, and Ganon... Zelda is looking around nervously into the crowd, the camera zooms in on her face. Suddenly she stops when she sees Link... her eyes widen.
End of Beginning
You will learn soon later that Zelda had a similar dream
Post by: Jale on December 30, 2003, 08:25:03 AM
Navi visits Link in the night (but now Navi is like a grown woman) and tells him that The world is in great danger (how original). Koume and Kotoke have returned and are trying to get the ocarina of time so they can free Ganon. So Link has to get there first. At this point you still have all of the items from the last game (he hasnt lost them yet!). Navi takes you down to the temple of time, which is larger than before. After a few pretty simple rooms you fight Koume for the Ocarina. Not a hard fight, just use the fire/ice arrows to stun and then slash. An easy boss. Then you have to go into the other part of the temple, do the same for Kotoke and get the song of time, so you can go into the 3rd part of the dungeon where you fight them both like in OoT (but easier) to get the song of the past. At this point Navi tells you that Koume and Kotoke have gone back in time to before the creation of the master sword and to before Hyrule was a kingdom. At this point Tetra and the sages appear (they were all on the boat at the end of WW) and you play the song of the past on the ocarina, the sage accompany you and tetra conducts.
You appear in the woods..
You realise that you are naked!
All your items havnt been created yet so you cannot have them.
Thats my idea for the beginning section. The next part is 6 dungeons like in OoT with a final face off against Twinrova.
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I don't like how I forgot somehow that Wind Waker 2 has already been here for some time and it's called Phantom Hourglass.
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No! You are wrong, the Zelda Wind Waker games use the cyclone to transport you to other parts of the map.
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