Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Robknoxious1 on September 26, 2012, 11:10:14 AM
Title: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: Robknoxious1 on September 26, 2012, 11:10:14 AM
I saw this on NinTemple.com. The new magazine is called Pure Nintendo Magazine. It will be bi-monthly so for the mathematically challenged that's six issues per year. Twenty bucks gets you a subscription and there are perks for those who want to donate more. Here's the link (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/purenintendo/pure-nintendo-magazine). I for one will be backing this. The internet is best for fast info of course, but there's just something about a real magazine that sets it apart.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Nintendo-only magazine
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 26, 2012, 12:32:11 PM
I proposed something like this be done back when it was announced Nintendo Power was going to be shut down. No one even responded to my proposal.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Nintendo-only magazine
Post by: Do_What on September 26, 2012, 12:37:10 PM
shoulda rocked a kick starter page
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Nintendo-only magazine
Post by: Adrock on September 26, 2012, 12:39:22 PM
It's a good idea on paper (pun inteded). However, there's a reason these magazines are closing. Whatever they're offering is mostly available online and for free. I mean, I was a big fan of EGM growing up and was glad when Steve Harris bought the right to it back and resurrected it few years ago, but there was no reason to subscribe. I get most of my news from BlackNMild and Caterkiller. If they miss something, NWR eventually gets it. If I'm really interested in a game, I use Google.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Nintendo-only magazine
Post by: Do_What on September 26, 2012, 12:51:46 PM
I don't think these guys will have the access required to make a current Nintendo magazine doable. Just another magazine that just happens to only focus on Nintendo is doomed. Now, if it was more niche and catered specifically to a narrow demographic of Nintendo fans and had ridiculous production value all that then it would have a chance. Or maybe like the Nintendo version of "Back Issue!" magazine. Maybe it only comes out once a quarter or twice a year and is less a magazine and more a serialized non fiction book series. But just a straight up run of the mill previews/reviews interview where no one says anything magazine won't fly.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Nintendo-only magazine
Post by: Robknoxious1 on September 26, 2012, 06:46:46 PM
I proposed something like this be done back when it was announced Nintendo Power was going to be shut down. No one even responded to my proposal.
Well I guess these guys agreed with you. Good idea!
As far as comments about the info being free online and available much earlier it's all true. If magazines aren't worth twenty bucks in your eyes nothing they say or I say will probably sway you.
Some people, like myself just like flipping through a magazine sometimes, I think it was Jonny who spoke on RFN about some of the nice things mags have that are just lacking on a website.
Anyway for those that feel like I do $20 is not all that much to invest. Especially to help some Nintendo fans build something (hopefully) special.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Nintendo-only magazine
Post by: broodwars on September 26, 2012, 07:18:10 PM
This is going to fail, and fail badly. Even if it did get fully funded on Kickstarter, magazines are funded mostly by their ads, not their subscriptions. Even assuming they did establish a good relationship with Nintendo (and Nintendo wouldn't, judging by how Nintendo Power went down), magazines are a dying business and they wouldn't get the ad revenue to pay for the writers, maintenance, publishing costs, etc. for a Nintendo-only magazine (Nintendo Power proved that much)...even if it's only released bi-monthly. I sure hope you like continually funding this thing on Kickstarter a couple of times a year when it fails in the marketplace.
Save your pledges for something that matters, because this sure as hell won't. I like getting my monthly magazines as much as anyone else. I prefer having something physical to read, but newspapers and magazines are failing for a reason: the world has passed them by. Actually, given how Kickstarter's been reforming their rules to make their posted projects more professional and believable, I'm surprised this pie-in-the-sky venture even exists.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Nintendo-only magazine
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 26, 2012, 07:33:30 PM
NP went down because Future PLC wanted to release a digital version and Nintendo refused. Nintendo still provides stuff to other gaming magazines.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Nintendo-only magazine
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 26, 2012, 07:54:58 PM
I personally think this is a good idea for a few reasons. Websites can get pretty messy if you are looking for something very specific and from something very old. At times many articles online have been erased from existence while that can't be true for megazines.
As for the messy part you have to go through so many links and such to find what you want and thinks aren't as organized as they should be I feel.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Nintendo-only magazine
Post by: Robknoxious1 on September 26, 2012, 08:22:47 PM
@broodwars I understand your points and maybe this venture won't succeed. Still, I was at my local Barnes and Noble and perused their magazines a while back. There are tons of them on every topic under the sun. I think if some of the niche mags I saw can be published then this one has at least a chance.
As for not risking my $20. Saving it for a different kickstarter. I'm not rich but c'mon twenty bucks? For those that can't afford to take that $20 leap of faith then yeah. Skip it. Myself, I'm not worried about it.
I personally think this is a good idea for a few reasons. Websites can get pretty messy if you are looking for something very specific and from something very old. At times many articles online have been erased from existence while that can't be true for magazines.
As for the messy part you have to go through so many links and such to find what you want and thinks aren't as organized as they should be I feel.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Nintendo-only magazine
Post by: Kairon on September 28, 2012, 02:12:44 PM
To be honest I've been considering subscribing to other Nintendo magazines now that NP is ceasing publication. I was actually looking at importing the UK's NGamer/Nintendo Gamer a while back, but even THAT magazine isn't printing anymore!!!
What magazines are left guys? I'm now contemplating importing the UK's Official Nintendo Magazine...
Great googoo-moogoo the price to import these things will give me a heart attack...
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Nintendo-only magazine
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 28, 2012, 03:21:17 PM
To be honest I've been considering subscribing to other Nintendo magazines now that NP is ceasing publication. I was actually looking at importing the UK's NGamer/Nintendo Gamer a while back, but even THAT magazine isn't printing anymore!!!
What magazines are left guys? I'm now contemplating importing the UK's Official Nintendo Magazine...
Great googoo-moogoo the price to import these things will give me a heart attack...
Yes the price for imported Nintendo mags are truly high. All the more reason to support Pure Nintendo Magazine. Plus PNM has added some new rewards for people that support this project. Please check it out and support!
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: UncleBob on September 29, 2012, 06:38:33 PM
Game Informer is still in print because it's a monthly advertisement for GameStop.
Same reason whatever the name of that Best Buy magazine is exists.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 29, 2012, 07:00:47 PM
Game Informer is still in print because it's a monthly advertisement for GameStop.
Same reason whatever the name of that Best Buy magazine is exists.
But Nintendo Power is (or was) basically a monthly advertisement for Nintendo. That wasn't enough to save it, obviously.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: UncleBob on September 29, 2012, 07:09:55 PM
It stopped being a Nintendo advertisement when Future took over publishing it. At that point, Nintendo decided they had better ways of advertising their products.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: Evan_B on September 29, 2012, 07:27:18 PM
I proposed something like this be done back when it was announced Nintendo Power was going to be shut down. No one even responded to my proposal.
Chozo Ghost- always there first, but never recognized for it.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: Sarail on September 29, 2012, 07:38:44 PM
Ya know, I'd almost be willing to support this, but 20 bux for six issues is a pretty bad deal - unless these issues are 200 page explosions of Nintendo news.
Now, make it a full 12 for that same price (like old-school NP used to be), and I'm good to go. I'll sign up right away.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 29, 2012, 08:24:13 PM
unless these issues are 200 page explosions of Nintendo news.
Considering the sorts of droughts Nintendo consoles are notorious for, how could that even be possible? This was the reason why NP had to resort to so much "filler" content such as comics and stuff like that. Don't get me wrong, that stuff was cool, but the reason they resorted to that is because for the last 15 years or so 3rd party support has been sparse and sometimes that goes for first party offerings as well. So if that's the case and you are a Nintendo magazine, what else can you do if there is nothing to report on?
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: Sarail on September 29, 2012, 11:36:28 PM
Use a bigger font.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: rlse9 on September 30, 2012, 12:31:58 AM
I know it's still fairly new, but how many of these Kickstarter projects actually result in anything worthwhile? It amazes me that so many of these projects gets people to give hundreds of dollars with no guarantee of getting anything in return.
I liked NP back in the day but gaming magazines just seem irrelevant now. Unless they somehow had a really close relationship with Nintendo and could get some interesting exclusive features, I just don't see the point.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: Kairon on September 30, 2012, 01:06:29 AM
I did the kickstarter for Jason Rohrer's DS game "Diamond Trust of London" which collected about $80,000. We got a niche DS game published, supported the expressive medium that is interactive software, and I got two limited edition copies out of it plus other fun stuff.
I'm sure not all kickstarters are successful, but in my experience kickstarters you earnestly believe in enough to "donate" are worth taking the risk.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: UncleBob on September 30, 2012, 01:57:22 AM
Lucky - I only got the regular version.. I didn't find out about it until it was too late.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: shingi_70 on September 30, 2012, 09:29:38 AM
shouldn't this be digital only?
Also NP would still have been here if it would have went digital. THere was a study last week showing future got a massive upswing of readers while being on the apple newstand.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on September 30, 2012, 10:58:18 AM
What the heck is a magazine?
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: ShyGuy on September 30, 2012, 12:28:26 PM
A magazine is where an automatic or semi automatic firearm keeps it bullets.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 30, 2012, 12:58:02 PM
Isn't the last one a cylinder? You should know because you held a double action firearm in the movie dirty harry when you asked that punk if he felt lucky.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 30, 2012, 04:05:35 PM
Also NP would still have been here if it would have went digital. THere was a study last week showing future got a massive upswing of readers while being on the apple newstand.
Some people like options and having it digital only limits the market. So having it both a Megazine and digital mag will serve more markets.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 30, 2012, 04:30:55 PM
Also NP would still have been here if it would have went digital. THere was a study last week showing future got a massive upswing of readers while being on the apple newstand.
Some people like options and having it digital only limits the market. So having it both a Megazine and digital mag will serve more markets.
Future wanted to make a digital version of Nintendo Power, but Nintendo refused. So a result, Nintendo chose not to let them keep using the Nintendo Power name. If Future really WANTED to, they could have just changed the name and kept publishing a Nintendo-only magazine here in North America.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 30, 2012, 05:21:23 PM
Also NP would still have been here if it would have went digital. THere was a study last week showing future got a massive upswing of readers while being on the apple newstand.
Some people like options and having it digital only limits the market. So having it both a Megazine and digital mag will serve more markets.
Future wanted to make a digital version of Nintendo Power, but Nintendo refused. So a result, Nintendo chose not to let them keep using the Nintendo Power name. If Future really WANTED to, they could have just changed the name and kept publishing a Nintendo-only magazine here in North America.
I am aware of that TJ. Since that didn't happen this kickstarter can be another option to make that a reality. A second chance if you will.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 30, 2012, 05:25:21 PM
True, I was mainly just replying to shingi and figured I would just quote your reply since it included shingi's.
Maybe if this is a success, Future will do it too.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 30, 2012, 05:31:14 PM
True, I was mainly just replying to shingi and figured I would just quote your reply since it included shingi's.
Maybe if this is a success, Future will do it too.
Fair enough. I think the only problem with this kickstarter is the dollar amount to get it funded and perhaps how much time is left. These types of Kickstarters need to get lots of exposure and I am about to look around right now to see where exactly where it has been posted. I know when it started it had a month to get it funded for that amount so judging from that I guess that it hasn't been spread around much.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: Sarail on September 30, 2012, 05:32:36 PM
I think the only problem with this kickstarter is the dollar amount to get it funded and perhaps how much time is left. These types of Kickstarters need to get lots of exposure and I am about to look around right now to see where exactly where it has been posted. I know when it started it had a month to get it funded for that amount so judging from that I guess that it hasn't been spread around much.
You're right Maxi, they're running out of steam and also running out of time. This is what kinda baffles me. I mostly frequent NinTemple.com (where you know me under the same name) but I took the time to start threads at two other sites (here and at Neg World). I looked around some larger sites and and don't see anything. Why wouldn't PNM start threads at some of the bigger video game forums out there? I've only checked a couple of sites but they would've been the obvious choices. Oh well.
If this doesn't get funded I may go with PNM'S digital option or I may just go with importing ONM.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: Do_What on October 01, 2012, 12:30:35 PM
I know it's still fairly new, but how many of these Kickstarter projects actually result in anything worthwhile? It amazes me that so many of these projects gets people to give hundreds of dollars with no guarantee of getting anything in return.
I liked NP back in the day but gaming magazines just seem irrelevant now. Unless they somehow had a really close relationship with Nintendo and could get some interesting exclusive features, I just don't see the point.
I have had nothing but success with kickstarter stuff. Lots of comic books get funded through that and I've not heard of anything failing. You just have to know what you're getting into. I wouldn't support a video game that's just like "hey we're a company who use to make games you like give us money we have no ideas but we'll get back to you" but I've supported a lot of projects that are just "We need money to print this out in awesome hardcovers" and stuff. All of those have worked out and everything I've backed on kickstarter had either zero or very little chance of getting done by major publishers with the same quality that was done after the kickstarters were funded.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 03, 2012, 04:40:26 PM
Little update. There is about 8 days left now and they are about half way to their goal. If for some reason you can't donate just get the word out somehow.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: Robknoxious1 on October 03, 2012, 06:31:37 PM
Yeah Maxi I saw that too. It got a nice little bump since yesterday. Good news but still needs more folks to take the plunge.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: Kairon on October 04, 2012, 01:12:00 AM
I went ahead and pledged. I really think the reward tiers they set up are unappetizing. They really need more at like the $25, 35, 45, 70 levels.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: JMoney on October 05, 2012, 12:54:23 AM
Justin from Pure Nintendo here. If anyone has concerns about the Kickstarter or magazine please e-mail me at jhinton@purenintendo.com. We are a group of tried and true Nintendo gamers just trying to bring quality Nintendo news to Nintendo fans worldwide. Our magazine is available internationally and the content in the magazine will be different then what is seen on the website. After the Kickstarter we will be offering print and digital subscriptions 'packs' as well as a Digital only option. Please feel free to contact me for concerns or questions. I am always available and willing to answer questions for readers, fans, or anyone who has serious inquiries regarding Pure Nintendo Magazine.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: Robknoxious1 on October 06, 2012, 12:30:24 PM
I went ahead and pledged. I really think the reward tiers they set up are unappetizing. They really need more at like the $25, 35, 45, 70 levels.
Glad you chose to sign up. I saw your - quite astute - suggestion about having an $40 level so you could treat a friend, and how they implemented it. Nice :D
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: Kairon on October 06, 2012, 05:01:01 PM
I went ahead and pledged. I really think the reward tiers they set up are unappetizing. They really need more at like the $25, 35, 45, 70 levels.
Glad you chose to sign up. I saw your - quite astute - suggestion about having an $40 level so you could treat a friend, and how they implemented it. Nice :D
Yeah, well, now I have an extra PNM subscription and no idea what I'm going to do with it! LOL!
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine needs your help!
Post by: Robknoxious1 on October 06, 2012, 06:16:11 PM
I went ahead and pledged. I really think the reward tiers they set up are unappetizing. They really need more at like the $25, 35, 45, 70 levels.
Glad you chose to sign up. I saw your - quite astute - suggestion about having an $40 level so you could treat a friend, and how they implemented it. Nice :D
Yeah, well, now I have an extra PNM subscription and no idea what I'm going to do with it! LOL!
Just don't give it to anyone that posted about how print is dead ;) Oh wait, no one here said those words. I was thinking of another site.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: Robknoxious1 on October 07, 2012, 04:24:16 PM
Update:
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Some of the chatter on forum posts have questioned what PNM can offer that is different from other online gaming sites. We want to reassure you that we do have official support from Nintendo to run PNM. We have full rights to use the name, and we are working closely with Nintendo's legal and PR teams to guarantee that PNM will feature plenty of exclusive content not available anywhere else. Many fans have also mentioned that one of the things they disliked about NP was that they didn't focus enough on third party content. Because PNM is "by fans, for fans", third party titles and game studios will be featured just as prominently. We already have contacts inside several studios developing titles for Wii U and 3DS, and are working hard to gain more. Thanks for all you do, and please continue to spread the word!
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 07, 2012, 08:37:47 PM
I also yesterday put up a post about it on Nintemple.com about it. http://nintemple.blogspot.com/2012/10/pure-nintendo-kickstarter.html
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: Drizzt on October 09, 2012, 03:01:24 PM
I went ahead and pledged. I also posted a thread about the magazine on CAG, hopefully it reaches it's goal.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 09, 2012, 11:31:32 PM
About 46 hours left now. They have 13,657 towards their goal now. I was throwing the idea of a 24 hour livestream on the last day with guests around the Nintendo community to raise the rest but those usually take time to plan and coordination.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: RedBlue on October 10, 2012, 12:32:23 AM
I'm a backer now :)
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: Kairon on October 10, 2012, 02:50:20 AM
I think maybe they released this kickstarter a little half-baked. They probably should have had more of a marketing plan in place, probably a video that revealed more about exclusive content and the specialness of the project, and reward tiers that were better thought out (For example, why no $25 tier for Subscription PLUS a sticker? That'd be a cool sticker!). I think maybe a big mistake was not giving small donors more choices right from the get go when they got most of their views, and especially more choices above the $20 level but below the $50 level.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 11, 2012, 05:51:00 PM
Well with 4 hours left in the kickstarter they have made their goal.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: Kairon on October 11, 2012, 06:37:10 PM
Dear god, that was close! I really didn't think they'd make it!
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: CM30 on October 11, 2012, 07:51:33 PM
Just e-mailed the admins of the site to congratulate them for making their goal. Like others here, I didn't expect them to make it, they were a good few thousand short just sometime yesterday.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: Drizzt on October 11, 2012, 10:08:31 PM
Awesome, I can't wait. Hopefully this magazine will be like the phoenix rising from the ashes of Nintendo Power.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: broodwars on October 11, 2012, 10:11:52 PM
So the Kickstarter got funded. Well, I hope it works out for you, because I believe the market has shown what will happen.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: MegaByte on October 12, 2012, 12:01:45 AM
It's pretty likely that they filled in the funding gap with their own funds. The gap rapidly closed, but there was little change in the number of supporters.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: Kairon on October 12, 2012, 12:11:45 AM
I've heard that kickstarters do tend to accelerate and do tons of their funding in their last few days...But in this case, there was 1 backer who gave $4000.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: ThePerm on October 12, 2012, 03:10:33 AM
I've been so wanting to start a kickstarter project. Also, ifd you're close to your goal, and you weren't the main contributor...its a good idea to put the last donation in. That is probably what happened here. If you contribute to yourself, you dont have to incentivise yourself, and you get to have the profit from starting it. However you have to make more then 3% back for it to be profitable because kickstarter charges you 3%
I've posted links to kickstarter stuff, but they have never been mine.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 12, 2012, 03:23:40 AM
This is the one thing about Kickstarter that I do not fully trust...that idea I can throw some last minute funds...sometimes quite large numbers into the mix just to get the funding...and really, there are some projects that are questionable.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: Kairon on October 12, 2012, 11:51:32 AM
How is it questionable to pay your own money to fund your own project?
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: UncleBob on October 12, 2012, 11:56:07 AM
How is it questionable to pay your own money to fund your own project?
It's an ethical thing.
They said they needed $20,000 to fund the magazine. If they only really needed $16,000, then they should say they need $16,000 and include a stretch goal if they want.
Also, they posted:
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@Maxi I know!! We just got a huge backer and just a few hours to spare! Thanks to everyone for their support! Let's see if we can get to the 200 backer mark!
Which would be flat misleading if it wasn't a third party who actually made a donation.
I hope it turns out that it was a third party - otherwise... ick.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 12, 2012, 12:07:33 PM
Using your own money to help it not unethical. If you want to talk about ethics, what about the Penny Arcade guys? The point of Kickstarter is to raise money for projects, but the greedy guys at Penny Arcade used Kickstarter just to get rid of the ads on their site (not that there were many ads anyways) for 1 year. That is unethical as there is no project there.
Also, it's not unethical if one of the guys used their own personal money for it (it would only be unethical if the company used its money for it). I think every Kickstarter project could have lower goals if the people used more of their own personal money.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 12, 2012, 12:39:33 PM
I don't see how what Penny Arcade did was unethical. It may not have been within the established norm of Kickstarter, but I don't know how you can argue they violated any ethical codes with it.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: CM30 on October 12, 2012, 12:47:51 PM
If there's nothing ethically wrong in what Penny Arcade did, there's nothing 'wrong' in what Pure Nintendo may have done either. Not that I think what either group did was ethically wrong in any way, and hey, no one donated based on false premises.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 12, 2012, 01:04:55 PM
How is it questionable to pay your own money to fund your own project?
It shows really bad money management. The kickstarter cut and financial fees means your throwing away 10% of your pledge to recover money from a project that would have otherwise been a failure. However much it costs you to clear your goal should have already been factored into the equation. The larger the disparity between the goal and the backers, the more you are losing by backing yourself.
What PA did seems to violate ks policy to the letter (no fund my life projects), but I'd be shocked if ks forewent a big amount of cash just to follow their own rules.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 12, 2012, 01:12:28 PM
I don't see how what Penny Arcade did was unethical. It may not have been within the established norm of Kickstarter, but I don't know how you can argue they violated any ethical codes with it.
The point of Kickstarter is to help fund projects, Penny Arcade used it just to pay their own bills ; which seems to also go against the rules of Kickstarter, specifically the "No "fund my life" projects." It's no different than a individual doing a Kickstarter for people to pay their rent/groceries. I think Kickstarter let them get away with it because PA are pretty big, and Kickstarter wants that 3% fee. At the bare minimum, it goes against the principals of Kickstarter, "Kickstarter is a funding platform for creative projects" (right from the website). How is getting fans to pay for their ad bills a "creative project"?
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 12, 2012, 01:29:40 PM
Well, the comic they produce is a creative product, and they had people fund it via Kickstarter instead of advertisers funding it. Also, all te stretch goals they had were extra creative things they might not have been able to do otherwise.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 12, 2012, 02:01:29 PM
The funding wasn't for the comic though, it was specifically to pay for their advertising bills. They have almost no ads anyways. And how is this different than something like a musician asking you to pay for their rent and groceries? They need those to be creative, and you are paying for it instead of an employer. At best, Penny Arcade violated the spirit of Kickstarter. At worst, they flat out violated Kickstarter's rules and Kickstarter looked the other way so they could get the $15,844 fee they got (3% of what Penny Arcade tricked people into donating). PA was never in any financial trouble, and the site would have continued the same either way, all this did was have people pay for their bills (and more, so they pocket the money) instead of outsider advertises. It was nothing more than a "fund my life" project.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: NWR_Neal on October 12, 2012, 02:16:36 PM
I know with Penny Arcade, they discussed it with Kickstarter a lot to make sure it was kosher. I could see Kickstarter getting $$$ signs in their eyes because PA is a big draw, but I can't fault PA for what they did. Obviously people wanted to support the site. I didn't personally donate, but people showed their support for that with their money.
On the other hand, seeing a Kickstarter pretty clearly passing the success threshold by a contribution from what is probably the organizer is weird and backwards. They lose money (Kickstarter's cut, Amazon Payments' cut) off of that, and it shows that, guess what, people actually don't give that much of a **** about your product. They might be happy now, but in the long term, I can't see this succeeding if the Kickstarter indeed was only successful because someone on the team threw down $4000.
I guess there could be some angel who loves the idea of a Nintendo magazine to put down that much money. If so, I'd like to talk to that person. This little site called Nintendo World Report could use some scrilla scrilla.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: ThePerm on October 12, 2012, 02:45:12 PM
Penny Arcade:Explanation
generally websites need advertisers to pay for the content to be created. Using a kickstarter pays for the content to be created without advertisers. They aren't paying for advertisers, they are paying to not need advertisers. The project for Penny Arcade is "a couple years of penny arcade". Its not a "fund my life" project. Its an allow me to continue to make my popular webcomic without having icky ads and or getting a part time 9-5. This sort of thing is called micro-patronage.
The Magazine: Its not unethical to add you're money in. Adding money to get money means that you only net less money. If the project goal was 16,000 and they really didn't have 20,000 by the deadline then adding 4000 would still net the project 16,000. So, you say the project should only be 16,000 if that's all it will earn? No.
one should expect to profit off projects. You can't do any project unless you make some sort of profit. Why? Because to do a project you need time. To have time you can't have too many obligations like a drone job. To not have a drone job you need money, because you must pay rent or mortgage(unless you're wealthy, in which case why kickstart? or also lowball your project)
When I kickstart any project, my rent would be factored into it. I would really like to make a 7000 dollar movie like Robert Rodriguez...but in reality it wouldn't be 7000. He was married at age 23 and his wife was taking care of the living expenses. The 7000 he did get was from participating in pharmaceutical studies. In a way...that was his kickstarter. I don't know what his rent was, but lets assume it was 700 a month. It took about 6 months to film and edit and sale his movie. So, really his movie cost about 11,600. Which is about how much bellflower cost to make.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: UncleBob on October 13, 2012, 12:55:34 AM
I think some people are taking the word "unethical" too harshly.
In my humble opinion, if Pure Nintendo was asking for donations but misrepresented their need, it's tacky. That's all. I don't think they should go to jail or Kickstarter should pull the donations or anything like that. Just that it's tacky to think that they had their hats out for money that they didn't need. That's all.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 13, 2012, 01:00:55 AM
Does Screw Attack or Penny Arcade needy money? Hell no. Screw Attack wanted money just to have a convention. Penny Arcade wanted fans to pay the advertising bills.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: Kairon on October 13, 2012, 01:04:39 AM
I don't think it's that they didn't need that money. If that's what even happened. After all, this is all alleged. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Anyways, I figure that worst case scenario, some poor soul just committed to living off of ramen for a year just to finish this kickstarter by the deadline.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 13, 2012, 01:06:06 AM
Does Screw Attack or Penny Arcade needy money? Hell no. Screw Attack wanted money just to have a convention. Penny Arcade wanted fans to pay the advertising bills.
I really don't see why you're so hung up on the Penny Arcade thing. The only real difference between them and any other thing on the site is that Penny Arcade could have easily gotten the money another way, which is not usually the case.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 13, 2012, 01:14:42 AM
That is just the point, Penny Arcade didn't NEED the money. They just wanted fans to pay them money to pay their bills. If an individual tried to do what they did, Kickstarter would have rejected their campaign.
As for PNM, I don't think it matters who contributed.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 13, 2012, 01:29:24 AM
I'm not sure what you think these other Kickstarters are for. If someone is asking for money to make a video game, they're not grinding that money up and putting it on a circuit board to make the game; they're using it to pay their bills to give them time to work on the game. The only difference is that Penny Arcade could have easily gotten the money through advertising like they had in the past.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: ThePerm on October 13, 2012, 08:08:42 AM
That is just the point, Penny Arcade didn't NEED the money. They just wanted fans to pay them money to pay their bills. If an individual tried to do what they did, Kickstarter would have rejected their campaign.
As for PNM, I don't think it matters who contributed.
if any individual did that, it would be weird, but any individual doesn't produce one of the webs biggest comics. It is still a win for fans. The project is still penny arcade, except some fans get swag, and then there are no adds on the site. It's essentially the same as if they had adds on, only they are advertising themselves.
essentially they are switching from adds paying for their project, to kickstarter patronage paying for their project.
its not really different if a new person started a webcomic website. They could either launch it and sale adds, and hope they get clicks. Or they could do kickstarter and cut out the middleman. Its like pay pal with better advertising.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: UncleBob on October 13, 2012, 08:56:26 AM
I don't think it's that they didn't need that money. If that's what even happened. After all, this is all alleged. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Does Screw Attack or Penny Arcade needy money? Hell no. Screw Attack wanted money just to have a convention. Penny Arcade wanted fans to pay the advertising bills.
A) Two wrongs don't make a right. B) Penny Arcade and Screw Attack were completely up front about what they were collecting money for. As long as they didn't misrepresent their need, I don't see an issue with it.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: ResettisCousin on October 16, 2012, 06:13:16 PM
Some of us need to put our thinking caps on. Project Creators donating to their own projects is against Kickstarter's rules:
Project creators donating to their own projects via Kickstarter allows them to adjust the effective project goal whenever however necessary to collect what's been donated. It disintegrates the 'all or nothing' concept. Essentially their pledge drive cannot fail, less the 3 to 5 percent transaction fee of their own donation (to themselves).
As for the project itself, a few things bug me. The sample magazine cover, issue 6, exclusively lists 'news' and 'coming soon' type articles. Those, in print format, are completely obsolete. What's the point of repackaging the same bits of preview coverage and PR paraphrasing that you're already putting on your website in to a monthly compendium? Maybe it was just poor picks for the mock up, but for this to hold any interest to me, it would need a large percentage of completely original retrospective, philosophical (yes, I said it), and otherwise original content. I've bought a couple Gamespites and those are almost completely original content (granted, Jeremy Parish cross posts some articles to the website, but the point is it's not the same info that neogaf and gonintendo are all bubbling to the top of the fold). The other, more minor issue is in the thread here with the pandering 'by fans for fans- so we'll cover more third party stuff' blurb. Seriously, do you really think Nintendo Power TURNED DOWN any opportunities to interview Suda 51, Yuji Hori, or Yuji Naka? The implication that NP wouldn't cover third party stuff because of untoward influence by Nintendo is tacky.
Also, maybe I'm missing something (I didn't scour their website), but it seems weird to be funding a project that's already six issues in, and it seems weird that subscribers don't get instant, digital access to the prior 6 issues.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 17, 2012, 07:34:53 AM
Project creators donating to their own projects via Kickstarter allows them to adjust the effective project goal whenever however necessary to collect what's been donated. It disintegrates the 'all or nothing' concept. Essentially their pledge drive cannot fail, less the 3 to 5 percent transaction fee of their own donation (to themselves).
As for the project itself, a few things bug me. The sample magazine cover, issue 6, exclusively lists 'news' and 'coming soon' type articles. Those, in print format, are completely obsolete. What's the point of repackaging the same bits of preview coverage and PR paraphrasing that you're already putting on your website in to a monthly compendium? Maybe it was just poor picks for the mock up, but for this to hold any interest to me, it would need a large percentage of completely original retrospective, philosophical (yes, I said it), and otherwise original content. I've bought a couple Gamespites and those are almost completely original content (granted, Jeremy Parish cross posts some articles to the website, but the point is it's not the same info that neogaf and gonintendo are all bubbling to the top of the fold). The other, more minor issue is in the thread here with the pandering 'by fans for fans- so we'll cover more third party stuff' blurb. Seriously, do you really think Nintendo Power TURNED DOWN any opportunities to interview Suda 51, Yuji Hori, or Yuji Naka? The implication that NP wouldn't cover third party stuff because of untoward influence by Nintendo is tacky.
Also, maybe I'm missing something (I didn't scour their website), but it seems weird to be funding a project that's already six issues in, and it seems weird that subscribers don't get instant, digital access to the prior 6 issues.
Thanks for posting that.
This basically means that some people were jumping to conclusions without getting all the facts about Kickstarter. It also means that if the the Kickstarter failed then none of you guys would be getting it. You guys are lucky that there was a generous person or many generous people in the Nintendo fanbase willing to put out the money for the kickstarter instead of being negative about it. There is room for Print and online just like there is room for brick and mortor stores and digital sales.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: rlse9 on October 18, 2012, 03:09:05 PM
There is room for Print and online just like there is room for brick and mortor stores and digital sales.
Is there? I just read that Newsweek is the latest publication to go digital only because the costs of producing a print publication are too expensive and it takes too long in today's digital age to get the product to the readers. Look at how many newspapers have gone under, how many magazines have gone under, and how many of the print publications still out there are bleeding money like there's no tomorrow. There may still be a market for print publications but it's going to be a very niche market at best. I'd say that being in the print market today is kind of like being in the horse and buggy business at the turn of last century.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: JMoney on October 19, 2012, 07:07:50 AM
Project creators donating to their own projects via Kickstarter allows them to adjust the effective project goal whenever however necessary to collect what's been donated. It disintegrates the 'all or nothing' concept. Essentially their pledge drive cannot fail, less the 3 to 5 percent transaction fee of their own donation (to themselves).
As for the project itself, a few things bug me. The sample magazine cover, issue 6, exclusively lists 'news' and 'coming soon' type articles. Those, in print format, are completely obsolete. What's the point of repackaging the same bits of preview coverage and PR paraphrasing that you're already putting on your website in to a monthly compendium? Maybe it was just poor picks for the mock up, but for this to hold any interest to me, it would need a large percentage of completely original retrospective, philosophical (yes, I said it), and otherwise original content. I've bought a couple Gamespites and those are almost completely original content (granted, Jeremy Parish cross posts some articles to the website, but the point is it's not the same info that neogaf and gonintendo are all bubbling to the top of the fold). The other, more minor issue is in the thread here with the pandering 'by fans for fans- so we'll cover more third party stuff' blurb. Seriously, do you really think Nintendo Power TURNED DOWN any opportunities to interview Suda 51, Yuji Hori, or Yuji Naka? The implication that NP wouldn't cover third party stuff because of untoward influence by Nintendo is tacky.
Also, maybe I'm missing something (I didn't scour their website), but it seems weird to be funding a project that's already six issues in, and it seems weird that subscribers don't get instant, digital access to the prior 6 issues.
So yeah I posted here a while back and forgot to check back. I did not realize that we had started such a heated discussion about Kickstarter! I wish I wouldn't have missed it.
Anyways, in reference to the above quotation. What we posted on the Kickstarter from Issue #6 is just a small sampling from about 60 pages of content. There is quite a bit packed into every issue of Pure Nintendo Magazine (PNM). Our content is not just rehashes of what is on the internet or our website. The magazine articles are original ideas, thoughts, opinions, and stories. Honestly, you should wait to provide your 'review' of PNM until you have actually read through a few issues.
As for the availability of prior magazine issues, the first five magazines are available digitally. Those issues can be found here: http://issuu.com/purenintendo (http://issuu.com/purenintendo) and here: http://www.scribd.com/purenintendo (http://www.scribd.com/purenintendo). The last issue, number six, can be ordered through MagCloud here: http://www.magcloud.com/user/purenintendo (http://www.magcloud.com/user/purenintendo). Issue six will cost you $13.50 for the print & digital editions or just $3.00 for the digital magazine. Even though the fifth issue of PNM is free for it's digital edition, you can purchase issue #5 in print and also get a digital edition for $6.45. They first 4 issues are digital only, sorry guys!
The team at Pure Nintendo strive to provide high quality, interesting, original content. We are doing so now and will continue to do so in the future. October Issue #7 is coming out very, very soon and we hope that many more people subscribe. Issue #7 has exclusive Darksiders II concept art and Trine 2 art. It is also packed with some great articles! If at any time you have any questions, concerns, comments, or feedback, feel free to contact myself (jhinton@purenintendo.com) or anyone else on the Pure Nintendo team. We can also be contacted through Facebook (www.Facebook.com/PureNintendo (http://www.facebook.com/PureNintendo)) and Twitter (www.Twitter.com/PureNintendo (http://www.twitter.com/PureNintendo) or www.Twitter.com/PureNintendoMag (http://www.twitter.com/PureNintendoMag)). Subscriptions for Pure Nintendo Magazine can be purchased via the website: www.PureNintendo.com/Magazine (http://www.PureNintendo.com/Magazine) and are available in print, digital, or a print & digital package.
A small side note we are looking to add some content into the December issue, number eight, straight from our readers! If you have fond memories of Nintendo Power Magazine, then we want to hear them. We will be including these in the December issue! If you want to see your name in PNM in December, then send your favorite Nintendo Power Magazine memories to jhinton@purenintendo.com (please include your First Name and Last Initial so that we know who you are!).
And as always Pure Nintendo thanks all of our supporters, subscribers, and readers.
I will try not to completely disappear this time! :D
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: CM30 on October 19, 2012, 12:05:49 PM
I've just e-mailed Justin at Pure Nintendo, and he confirmed that the staff there did not in any way provide the rest of the funding. Here's the quote:
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No, we did not provide the final funding ourselves. Throughout the Kickstarter we were approached by a few investors that were interested in the project. Some of these investors wanted to see us reach certain goals on the Kickstarter before they would back the project. In this case, once we got past the $15k mark, the investor was willing to back the rest of the project
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: JMoney on October 19, 2012, 12:12:43 PM
I've just e-mailed Justin at Pure Nintendo, and he confirmed that the staff there did not in any way provide the rest of the funding. Here's the quote:
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No, we did not provide the final funding ourselves. Throughout the Kickstarter we were approached by a few investors that were interested in the project. Some of these investors wanted to see us reach certain goals on the Kickstarter before they would back the project. In this case, once we got past the $15k mark, the investor was willing to back the rest of the project
This is true. The Kickstarter project did not reach the funding goal due to the staff at Pure Nintendo. The Kickstarter was successful due to our readers, fans, and very generous investors.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: UncleBob on October 19, 2012, 12:18:17 PM
Great to hear. :D
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: Louieturkey on October 19, 2012, 01:58:58 PM
I've just e-mailed Justin at Pure Nintendo, and he confirmed that the staff there did not in any way provide the rest of the funding. Here's the quote:
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No, we did not provide the final funding ourselves. Throughout the Kickstarter we were approached by a few investors that were interested in the project. Some of these investors wanted to see us reach certain goals on the Kickstarter before they would back the project. In this case, once we got past the $15k mark, the investor was willing to back the rest of the project
This is true. The Kickstarter project did not reach the funding goal due to the staff at Pure Nintendo. The Kickstarter was successful due to our readers, fans, and very generous investors.
Glad we can finally put this speculation to rest.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: UncleBob on October 30, 2012, 03:07:21 PM
Got my first issue today.
...it was shipped via FedEx?
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: Kairon on October 30, 2012, 03:56:25 PM
I know mine is in the mail... maybe it's already waiting for me at home!
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: Ceric on October 30, 2012, 04:46:02 PM
I got mine Saturday. My Twitter followers would not my confusion. It was also printed by HP.
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: Drizzt on October 31, 2012, 10:04:28 AM
I got my issue last night. The print quality was amazing, and the articles were both informative and fun to read. I can't wait for the next issue! :D
Title: Re: Kickstarter for new Pure Nintendo Magazine UPDATE: Exclusive content
Post by: JMoney on November 08, 2012, 04:17:13 PM
It is great to hear such wonderful feedback! The team at Pure Nintendo loves to hear feedback from our readers so if you guys have more comments about Pure Nintendo Magazine, please let us know! We want the readers to be involved as possible so if you have questions, comments, concerns, or suggestions then we want to hear them. We will be starting to assemble Issue #8 for December very soon and we are aiming to ship issue #8 a little earlier in the month so you guys can get it before Christmas!
