Post by: The Omen on May 20, 2003, 10:17:13 AM
Post by: jarob on May 20, 2003, 10:25:10 AM
Post by: Fammy2000 on May 20, 2003, 11:22:58 AM
Sonic Hero is multi platform. It will be interesting on how it sells on the various platforms.
Nintendo and Sega are a natural fit, but logic escapes Nintendo (or Sega, hello Nacmo merger) sometimes.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on May 20, 2003, 11:32:59 AM
It would have made my E3 if they would have announced the acquisition of Sega.
silks
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 20, 2003, 11:34:12 AM
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Post by: The Omen on May 20, 2003, 11:50:20 AM
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For the same reason, Ninty isn't looking into buying big companies because there is no financial need(and also the fact that they aren't looking to monopolize the industry by buying everyone out like Microsoft
I hear what you're saying, but i think it'll be the norm now that M$ has opened the flood gates. Nintendo can ill afford to not exhaust every option, including beating M$ at their own game.
Post by: itsmedoods on May 20, 2003, 12:50:39 PM
Post by: Ninja X on May 20, 2003, 01:24:37 PM
Plus, you cannot just give a company money and turn them into your property without their permission. That would be the business form of slavery. Sega has to comply with the merger deal as well, and I know most teams over at Sega, such as Overworks, have a stronger liking to Sony than Nintendo. It's shown easily by Sega's lineup for all three platforms. It seems Sony's getting the most loving from them. Not to mention Sega and Microsoft seem to have somewhat of a deep relationship with each other. I'm sure Nintendo's relationship with them is deep as well, but Microsoft is a financial powerhouse. If anything, Sega would probably merge with Microsoft rather than Nintendo. But I do not see that happening. Since a merger with Microsoft is more likelier than a merger with Nintendo, I'll go as far as to say a merger with Sega will never happen in the near future.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on May 20, 2003, 01:41:38 PM
Their best bet would be to buy out select sub-sections. Sonic Team would be a nice start, since they already love Nintendo as it is. It would put an end to any future installments of PSO on Xbox, making the Cube the only place to go for it. But then again, Nintendo have basically given up altogether on online.
Bah. I give up.
Post by: The Omen on May 20, 2003, 02:04:16 PM
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Plus, you cannot just give a company money and turn them into your property without their permission. That would be the business form of slavery. Sega has to comply with the merger deal as well, and I know most teams over at Sega, such as Overworks, have a stronger liking to Sony than Nintendo
I dont think they 'like' Sony more, but they like the chances of their games getting to more people, via the huge userbase of the PS2. I wasn't saying buy Sega whole, as much as i was saying to 'invest' in certain games to make them exclusive. Or buy a percentage. Why would Sega object to the sale, if they still can create what they want, and have more time doing it? I think it just makes great sense for both Nintendo and Sega. If they were willing to merge with Sammy, why not Nintendo? Maybe give Nintendo 49% , so Sega still control their own interests.
Post by: Mario on May 20, 2003, 05:05:36 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 20, 2003, 05:24:17 PM
Post by: deminisma on May 20, 2003, 06:40:52 PM
WRONG. Two GC exclusives from Overworks (well SOA:L is sort of exclusive), duh.
Who else, really?
Nintendo purchasing SEGA would be excellent. Two of the world's best developers under one platform sounds very nice. The sad thing about SEGA is that the level of creative talent seems to get snmothered by the poor, poor management. I mean look at some of the incredible hardware and software that has come out of them.
Post by: Gamefreak on May 20, 2003, 07:23:05 PM
Plus, their financial condition is just starting to get better.
And on top of that, Nintendo said they wouldn't buy other publishers.
Post by: Mario on May 20, 2003, 07:42:32 PM
*REALLY wants mario 128*
Post by: Infernal Monkey on May 20, 2003, 07:45:42 PM
Post by: Gamefreak on May 20, 2003, 07:49:10 PM
Post by: The Omen on May 20, 2003, 08:01:19 PM
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Sega doesn't want to be bought. They won't let themselves be bought. End of story.
Plus, their financial condition is just starting to get better.
And on top of that, Nintendo said they wouldn't buy other publishers
Sega has been pawning themselves all over gods green earth! They may not want to be outright bought, but they sure would welcome some assistance. As for them starting to get better, compared to what? Losing tons of cash? Yeah, they're slightly better, but not much. It was just 2 weeks ago they were trying to merge, all of the sudden, they're fine? They're just putting some spin out there.
Nintendo doesn't have to buy them, just 'invest' in them. *wink
Post by: Gamefreak on May 20, 2003, 08:09:12 PM
It won't happen anytime soon. Sega will just keep chugging along for a few years, at least.
Post by: The Omen on May 20, 2003, 09:32:54 PM
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The thing is, Sega wants money but they want their independence. True, they have been making proposals left and right, but all of the companies agreeing to help them out would become the dominant company in the partnership, and Sega doesn't want that. If Nintendo were to make an offer, then Nintendo would make sure they were the dominant company, and Sega wouldn't take them up on their offer. Yes, Sega wants and needs money, but they don't want to be controlled by an outside company. Get it now?...
No, I don't 'get it' now. Why would they have to be controlled? Nintendo can have a minority interest in Sega, whereby Sega retains full control over their games, but can only release them on a NIntendo platform. Like with Rare. Nintendo had input on many of Rares games, but ultimately, Rare released them when they wanted. And i'm quite sure Nintendo would be willing to give full control to Sega, as they are a proven commodity.
Whats so hard about that? In fact, it would be extremely beneficial to both companies to have it that way. Then Sega could have all the time they need to produce games, and Nintendo gets the exclusive rights to them.
Post by: Gamefreak on May 20, 2003, 10:28:13 PM
Post by: Mario on May 20, 2003, 11:35:04 PM
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The thing is, Sega wants money but they want their independence. True, they have been making proposals left and right, but all of the companies agreeing to help them out would become the dominant company in the partnership, and Sega doesn't want that. If Nintendo were to make an offer, then Nintendo would make sure they were the dominant company, and Sega wouldn't take them up on their offer. Yes, Sega wants and needs money, but they don't want to be controlled by an outside company. Get it now?...
It won't happen anytime soon. Sega will just keep chugging along for a few years, at least.
Gamefreak i never knew you worked for Sega? You dont know what Sega wants, you do not have access to thier plans. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Anyway, Nintendo & Sega together, would be a dream come true for me...
Post by: Ymeegod on May 20, 2003, 11:47:51 PM
That's $250 million per year.
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But what's important about these larger companies is the "character rights" IMO. Sonic anyone? Millions of fans/gamers/grandmothers know that name and that's what sells.
Brand name stuff. Imagine Nintendo owning Sega and what that'll do with Nintendo's lineup? Sonic in SSBM, what about Mario Kart?, ect.
Think letting go of Rare wasn't going hurt them since big N can make their own platform games and there is some 3rd party support for FPS shooters now.
But Sega on the other hand, there's tons sega can bring to the GC. The most important would be the Sega sport series IMO. Nintendo really doesn't have much for "exclusive" sports and Sega makes some of the greatest. Sega GT, NFL 2k3, ect.
In the long run, having exclusive sports lineup will add "additional" consumers for all of Nintendo products.
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That's just MHO.
Post by: egman on May 21, 2003, 02:41:53 AM
There was a rumour a few days ago that was generated from a misinterpetation of an interview with Yuji Naka about the furture of Sega, Most people took it as Sega actually working on new hardware, but that wasn't what he said. Basically, he said that his team is working hard to help push Sega out of their problems with the hope that they will become strong enough to go back to hardware.
While Naka can't be unfairly singled out as the voice of Sega, I wouldn't be surprise if this was not the generally sentiment, at least among the old gaurd like Yu Suzuki. Just as that EA rep said that Nintendo has hardware in their DNA, I think Sega is also like that, maybe moreso because of their arcade centric business.
That might explain why the employees were pushing for Namco. Namco said that they were willing to be absorbed through management and name. They were willing to give up their NAME! I don't know what their finacial situation is, but certainly a partnership with them would have been the most acceptable in terms of independence. A merger with someone such as Nintendo and Microsoft would essentially destroyed the chance of getting back to hardware in the immediate future.
If Sega, however, was to finally go belly up, I would hope that Nintendo would be there to at least get Sonic Team, AV, and maybe Overworks personel. But until that happens, assume that Sega would actually like to make system again, which would be a better dream for me than them being partnered with Nintendo.
Post by: Ninja X on May 21, 2003, 09:38:24 AM
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I dont think they 'like' Sony more, but they like the chances of their games getting to more people, via the huge userbase of the PS2. I wasn't saying buy Sega whole, as much as i was saying to 'invest' in certain games to make them exclusive. Or buy a percentage. Why would Sega object to the sale, if they still can create what they want, and have more time doing it? I think it just makes great sense for both Nintendo and Sega. If they were willing to merge with Sammy, why not Nintendo? Maybe give Nintendo 49% , so Sega still control their own interests.
As for investing...that's not a bad idea. Sega would be careful on one account...what if their exclusive games do not sell well on GCN? In their eyes, more of a chance is guaranteed with the game being on PS2 than on the GCN. But I do not think that would be much of an obstacle. It would be smart of Nintendo to invest in Sega...we'll have to see what arises in the future.
On another note, 49% seems too much. It requires much work and money from Nintendo. Look at Sony. They own 12%, or a percantage around there, of Square. Why didn't they just buy 51% of Square? That would almost guarantee Sony's success in the Japanese market for a long time to come, since the Final Fantasy series would only be on their systems. I would have bought Square if I were them. But, alas, they did not. I am sure some reason exists. Nintendo, if they were to invest, would probably buy 10% of the company at the most. But that would be enough to get more Sega exclusives on the GCN. Way more.
Post by: Ninja X on May 21, 2003, 10:18:06 AM
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"I know most teams over at Sega, such as Overworks, have a stronger liking to Sony than Nintendo."
WRONG. Two GC exclusives from Overworks (well SOA:L is sort of exclusive), duh.
Who else, really?
Two GCN exclusives, huh? What is the other exclusive? I hear the sequel to Skies of Arcadia will be on the PS2. As for GCN, they are not sure yet, but it is very likely.
Who else, really? Well, Sega has ten different teams:
AM2
Overworks
Sonic Team
Amusement Vision
Smilebit
Visual Concepts
Sega Rosso
Hitmaker
United Game Artists
Wow Entertainment
Two of those teams seem to be dedicated to Gamecube, one being fully dedicated (Amusement Vision). As it stands, Overworks is a toss-up between Sony and Nintendo. If the SoA sequel is somehow exclusive to Gamecube, then it is safe to say Overworks is mostly dedicated to GCN. But seven companies still remain. Digging deeper into this though, I was wrong when I said most of them have a stronger liking to Sony compared to Nintendo. Most of them make games for all platforms, except for Smilebit, who seems to be fans of the Xbox, and Sega Rosso, which seems to be Sega's arcade division. On a surprising note, Wow Entertainment only released one title ever since the Dreamcast failed. That title happens to be an exclusive title for GCN. Wow is a toss-up. Even if they like GCN more, I do not hear much about them and they do not have a track record of pouring out games.
Post by: lastexit on May 21, 2003, 11:11:54 AM
I think Sega needs to produce less games and concentrate on making the ones they have BETTER. When they actually put some effort in, they had NFL2k. Now, look at nfl2k3. it's devolution, baby.
Post by: Ninja X on May 22, 2003, 01:55:12 PM
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I doubt Nintendo would do that. Why did they get rid of Rare? Because Rare was eating their cash and not bringing in the pofits. And that's the exact same thing that would happen with Sega? Why do you think they are struggling? They dropped their hardware division and are still struggling, because they are simply not raking in the profits. And if Nintendo were to give Sega a lot of money and just let them be, it's not like they would change. That's a liability Nintendo couldn't afford. If Nintendo were to invest any money at all into Sega, they would make sure that Sega would make a good profit. And no, Sega can't do that if they still have control over themselves. Or at least, not in any acceptable time frame (for Nintendo).
Agreed. Most of their games on all systems have not been selling well at all.
Post by: The Omen on May 22, 2003, 02:59:55 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 22, 2003, 03:13:07 PM
1) Sega makes so many niche titles that they are not able to get a thick userbase. Instead they have a small(yet powerful
) fanbase, each that protect their beloved niche games with their lives. 2) Most gamers are not made of money, so they spend only on what they know they might like. Sega's games seem so far-out for some gamers that they just pass over them, instead buying mainstream games such as GTA.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on May 23, 2003, 06:44:57 AM
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Post by: egman on May 23, 2003, 12:33:24 PM
Post by: ShockingAlberto on May 24, 2003, 07:33:01 AM
Second parties tend to not get treated well by Nintendo. If Nintendo were to buy Sega, they'd pretty much lose all independence as a company and become assimilated in to Nintendo. Granted, this would be the same thing if they were bought by Sony or Microsoft, so they stay as a third party. Nintendo likes to check in on second parties and often tinker with their games if they think it's not going well. Those of us who are old enough to remember can recall a time when Nintendo did this to third parties and ended up pissing a lot of companies off. All of Nintendo's current second parties never started off as big companies, so they are happy working with Nintendo to make games and such. After all, if you made Metroid Prime or Eternal Darkness, you'd be pretty damn happy with yourself. Imagine for a second that your the creator of, say, Jet Set Radio. You had this great idea, and all of a sudden, Miyamoto busts in (with a banjo simply because I always picture him with a banjo in his hand) and tells you what tweaks to make to the game. If you're a young and aspiring game developer, this would be the greatest experience of your life. If you're a seasoned veteran, not even Miyamoto should be allowed to tell you what to do (from your point of view, of course; though, I do have an inkling that the Holy Father of Gaming is going insane now). Plus, Sega is making more money as a third party than they were as a hardware manufacturer. Nintendo doesn't want to buy them, Sega doesn't want to be bought. It works out well.
Now if only we could just convince them to give us some exclusives...
-- ShockingAlberto
Post by: The Omen on May 27, 2003, 09:08:59 AM
Post by: Gamefreak on May 28, 2003, 01:16:52 PM
Ymeegod - They had SALES of 1 billion over those 4 years, not profits. Their profits were far less I assure you. May I remind you that apart from all of the money Nintendo poured into Rare during their overly long development schedules, Nintendo also wasted a lot of cash building and mainting a huge mansion for them to work in. That's right, in case you didn't know, Rare's employees work in a huge manor in the British countryside. They have a food court with restaurants inside. Rare = expensive. Not to mention Rare employed more people than any Nintendo developerr besides EAD (which employs over a thousand), and they need payin'. Anyway...I doubt anyone is stupid enough to totally buy out Sega, the thing all of these big companies are shooting for is a merger which would place Sega as the subordinate company.
Post by: Jedi Master Yoda on May 28, 2003, 01:47:43 PM
I'm going to stick it to Yu Suzuki. Suzuki's going down. I'm going to rape his village and burn his women.
Sega + Sony = Ok
Sega + Sammy = Good
Sega + Namco = Better
Sega + Nintendo = Best
Post by: The Omen on May 28, 2003, 02:33:27 PM
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Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on May 28, 2003, 06:53:56 PM
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Yu Suzuki, however, has always expressed his disinterest in the Gamecube. When asked once whether or not Virtua Fighter would ever appear on Gamecube, he remarked "I don't think it would work well for the Gamecube's image. Maybe Virtua Fighter Kids."
Yu Suzuki has been quoted saying that he like GameCube. Why do you think GameCube is getting Virtua Fighter Quest exclusive. I don't know where you got that fact he doesn't like it.
As for the guys who said the OverWorks has two exclusive GC games. He is right. One is SOA:L and the other is a new RPG called "Knights" or something, which they are currently developing. It was reported on The Magic Box several weeks ago.
Post by: ThePerm on May 28, 2003, 10:29:08 PM
Post by: ShockingAlberto on May 29, 2003, 08:11:52 AM
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Post by: Darc Requiem on May 29, 2003, 04:35:35 PM
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Post by: Gamefreak on May 31, 2003, 09:27:10 AM
Which, I think, is disappointing, but it's no surprise since Yu Suzuki always thought of the GCN as a kid's machine. Didn't he say that he might do a Virtua Fighter Kids? (jokingly)
Post by: ShockingAlberto on May 31, 2003, 09:32:07 AM
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Post by: Gamefreak on May 31, 2003, 12:39:34 PM
Ok, so he didn't, I'm not sure he has a good grasp on the English language anyway, but I don't have time right now to search for it, sorry. I heard it several months ago in an interview on a blue colored website, if that helps
Post by: Darc Requiem on May 31, 2003, 02:02:06 PM
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Sure. It hasn't been canned. Yu Suzuki simply says it's not ready to show yet. However, I can tell you that it won't look like the normal Virtua Fighter games. The characters will have body to head ratios that are unrealistic and cartoony, like Virtua Fighter Kids...
Which, I think, is disappointing, but it's no surprise since Yu Suzuki always thought of the GCN as a kid's machine. Didn't he say that he might do a Virtua Fighter Kids? (jokingly)
If the game looks like Virtua Fighter Kids, the game isn't going to sell to well. Its Virtua Fighter for God's sake. I was expecting a Shenmuesque game, I mean Shenmue started as Virtua Fighter RPG. I refused to buy some dumb downed childs game with super deformed VF characters. Sigh...at least I have my import Shenmue 2 for DC.
Darc Requiem
Post by: The Omen on May 31, 2003, 08:59:35 PM
Post by: MysticGohan on May 31, 2003, 09:44:36 PM
Yu Suzuki better rethink his stance on GC, as most of sega's sales have comed from GC than anyother console.
Sega need to better their relationship with Nintendo, instead of giving us an Exclusive one a blue full moon.
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on June 01, 2003, 12:25:31 AM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on June 01, 2003, 02:06:37 AM
Thats like saying young kids (which certainly are very much into RPGs
) dont like the look of normal human beings?Well, lets just see what it turns out to be, I dont judge before I havent seen anything.
