Post by: otacon on May 17, 2003, 06:57:19 PM
Post by: Berto2K on May 17, 2003, 07:11:31 PM
Post by: Ymeegod on May 17, 2003, 08:10:44 PM
The key is nintendo's comparing MS's 8 million units (Dec 31, 2002) numbers and comparing them with Nintendo's CURRENT numbers (9.3 Million March 31st). That's pretty much one sided.
Big N did the same thing last year when the Xbox launched in euro. Nintendo was using current numbers and comparing them with number MS gave two months eariler.
So really nintendo isn't LYING but at the same time it's a bunch of PR BS at it's best.
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Post by: Epitaph on May 17, 2003, 08:34:35 PM
Plz if you don't like gamecube thats ok, if you don't have a life and need to come on consol boards and bash a consol you don't like because you need to defend your purchase I have one thing to say. Get some friends man, we don't need someone else killing themselves from depression.
(im sorry to all those I have offended with my remark about depression it is a realy serious matter none the less. Plz don't be offended by my comic point of view on it. If you have a problem plz accept my appology, unless your Ymeegod.)
Post by: Mario on May 17, 2003, 08:45:35 PM
OWNED! Yeah, ive noticed that Ymeegod has only replied in sales threads and talked about Nintendo being teh d00med! Go away xbot.
Post by: Ymeegod on May 17, 2003, 09:10:01 PM
Unlike Most BIASED people, I only post the facts.
And I already proved you WRONG before.
Post by: Ymeegod on May 17, 2003, 09:36:07 PM
Which only leaves Euro/Aus for the GC. Do you really think the GC is outselling the XBox there? MVC is the only source that I know of that does quartly figures for the entire europe, and Chart-track for the UK).
Plus what about the other markets? GC hasn't launched anywhere's else, but MS and Sony has. Korea, Hong Kong, even a few south american countries even. Charts? Unknown except for the inital Xbox sales from Korea.
And Nintendo even confirmed themselves that they didn't reach the 10 million mark (march 31st deadline) goal.
Considering both consoles were within range of 1/2 million from each other at the begining of 2003, where did nintendo gain these 800K from?
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And when was I ever wrong about console sales? 0.
Fact is the only misinformation I gave was about FF not being on the Cube (though I'm 50% right since it's a spin-off).
Post by: MysticGohan on May 17, 2003, 09:47:39 PM
I trust a nintendo rep with my life, than rather trust M$ on it's numbers "ahem" remember a certain xbox was suppossed to push well over 100mill polygons? yeah me too. Microsoft had to reduced that number dramatically. Remember the figures for GameCube? no? yeah, thought so as well. it was 6 to 8 million if my memory serves me right. But here's the kicker that was a very modest figure from Nintendo. But EA did some benchmarks and say GC doing well over 20-44 mps and that's with effects.
Now that may have no revelence to this, but it shows that I rather beleive nintendo than exaggerated numbers from M$.
Also how do you know what nintendo is using to get those numbers? I want a reliable source.
Post by: MysticGohan on May 17, 2003, 09:55:49 PM
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Originally posted by: Ymeegod
If you want sources, there's NPD Jan-March sales which shows the Xbox leading by a majority which cancel's out GC's lead of 200K in Japan sales (media-create or theres a few on the-magicbox.com site as well).
Which only leaves Euro/Aus for the GC. Do you really think the GC is outselling the XBox there? MVC is the only source that I know of that does quartly figures for the entire europe, and Chart-track for the UK).
Plus what about the other markets? GC hasn't launched anywhere's else, but MS and Sony has. Korea, Hong Kong, even a few south american countries even. Charts? Unknown except for the inital Xbox sales from Korea.
Ok I might remind you that Xbox isn't doing well in Korea let alone any asia market, so your point there is very moot at best. Also you mentioned the NPD from Jan. to Mar. it's curently May and that's about two months that has gone, anything could have happened since then. Also here in NA the free game deal and Zelda joinning the ranks could easily increased demand for a GC with such a sweet deal. Also think about what will happen when the free GBP come with a GC deal. Buisness will really start to pickup. I can gurrantee that.
Post by: Ymeegod on May 17, 2003, 10:13:32 PM
And do you realize how many times Nintendo has "fudged" facts? And I'm not saying MS hasn't either but lately MS is providing numerous sources to back it's claims--which is the reverse from last year. If MS is providing three/four independant sources while Nintendo is only providing one which one would you believe?
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As for Korea and the other asia markets, sure it's not selling like hotcakes but a few thousand per week is better than 0. At least MS/Sony are trying other markets, you really never know when a boom will occur (I really doubt Blizzard knew that Starcraft/Diablo would be such a hit in korea prior to it's launching). That can be said about any market or product.
As for numbers, like you said, it's stated in the existing NPD thread.
Post by: Ymeegod on May 17, 2003, 10:26:54 PM
Actually the Xbox does hit 100 million polygons per cycle but that's RAW, MS stated from the begining that it'll hit 16million will all effects on vrs nintendo's 12 million will full effects on.
Hell if you really want just the raw data, Sony claims it's hitting 66 million without effect and 16 million full. :0.
Really the polygons don't mean much because the differences in hardware for example 8 hardware lights for the GC which the other consoles don't have.
Hell I still have a guy (sharkyextreme) who believes the PS2 is the most powerful
. Post by: Gamefreak on May 17, 2003, 11:43:57 PM
GCN has sold at least 2 million or about that in Japan, and Xbox isn't even close to one million last I checked. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure GCN has far more than only 200k lead in Japan.
Post by: Mingesium on May 18, 2003, 12:51:26 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on May 18, 2003, 04:11:59 AM
As for 200K lead for japan I was talking about Jan-April 27th 2003. This chart is where I got this from, it's from the-magicbox.com.
Console Hardware Sales Chart
From: Apr 21 - Apr 27, 2003
System Sales this week Total Sales in 2003
GameBoy Advance SP 60,900 835,600
PlayStation 2 51,000 1,118,300
GameBoy Advance 11,800 829,500
GameCube 7,500 250,100
Xbox 1,000 52,100
PSone 820 35,900
WonderSwan Crystal 610 19,900
GameBoy Color 310 11,000
WonderSwan Color 170 10,800
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Hense 200K lead.
Post by: Gamefreak on May 18, 2003, 04:20:01 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 18, 2003, 04:25:31 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on May 18, 2003, 04:28:52 AM
That's why the cancel each other :0. I've stated that from the begining.
Xbox has NA while GC has japan.
The figures from Europe were pretty much the same.
Post by: Gamefreak on May 18, 2003, 04:33:08 AM
And I'm not saying one has sold more than the other. You people shouldn't be obsessed with finding out if your precious system has sold more than the "enemy". I'll tell you right here and now that trying to compare sales numbers is futile.
Post by: Ymeegod on May 18, 2003, 04:37:21 AM
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Post by: Gamer1982 on May 18, 2003, 05:45:02 AM
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Originally posted by: MysticGohan
I trust a nintendo rep with my life,
That's just sad.
Post by: Munky on May 18, 2003, 06:43:35 AM
Post by: Whichone on May 18, 2003, 07:33:50 AM
Very true. EVERYONE gives different sales figures. It's extremely hard to compare two consoles side by side by sales in just one country, let alone the world. And these "private" organizations that have the "right" figures are almost always affiliated with the "leading" company itself.
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 18, 2003, 07:36:17 AM
But I'd just rather trust them with my cube (almost as sacred as my life, though
).
Post by: aoi tsuki on May 18, 2003, 08:56:16 AM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on May 18, 2003, 08:56:36 AM
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 18, 2003, 09:04:44 AM
Nintendo might be quoting quaterly shipping totals which to the console companies = sold. Because there is no buy back program for systems or games that don't sell.
And the first quarterly totals where released last month. There are many ways to look at things that is why numbers are irrelevant.
Post by: Polyethylene on May 18, 2003, 09:08:04 AM
Post by: MysticGohan on May 18, 2003, 03:16:01 PM
Post by: NintendoKiD on May 18, 2003, 03:37:49 PM
Post by: MysticGohan on May 18, 2003, 05:09:56 PM
that's when the numbers started. It's not so much as numbers that matter, it's how our favourite company is fairing.We here would like Nintendo show what "Real" games are.
Post by: PIAC on May 18, 2003, 06:14:09 PM
vanilla custard sales are leading chocolate by 200k cartons!! did you see the chocolate rep try and talk up their carton by saying it can push more custard than the vanilla one? what they didn't say is you have to cut the carton in half first!
what fools
vanilla on the other hand, its great! it is even 99% fat free, so no pointless added features for me
Post by: Infernal Monkey on May 18, 2003, 06:18:06 PM
Vanilla custard reps have been stating wrong sales figures for months, they were including sales of Matchbox cars, for some unknown reason! Chocolate OWNS Vanilla in sales!
JUST LIKE A CHOCOLATE MILKSHAKE, ONLY CRUNCHY!
Post by: nolimit19 on May 18, 2003, 07:56:52 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 19, 2003, 03:31:14 AM
It's a good feeling isn't it? You know it is.
Post by: Nintendork SP on May 19, 2003, 05:31:06 AM
Post by: Byron on May 19, 2003, 05:49:03 AM
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Originally posted by: Ymeegod
LOL, that coming from a Nintendo REP no less.
The key is nintendo's comparing MS's 8 million units (Dec 31, 2002) numbers and comparing them with Nintendo's CURRENT numbers (9.3 Million March 31st). That's pretty much one sided.
Big N did the same thing last year when the Xbox launched in euro. Nintendo was using current numbers and comparing them with number MS gave two months eariler.
So really nintendo isn't LYING but at the same time it's a bunch of PR BS at it's best.
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Can I please see a link saying those numbers are from the dates that you claim?
Post by: egman on May 19, 2003, 06:41:15 AM
The fanboys need to face it--Sony has pretty much locked things down. I would be worried if Nintendo was in finacial trouble, but how many times do we have to remind people that Nintendo is NOT Sega. Outside of that, I don't see how sales numbers can affect one's enjoyment of their console. You some issues to work out if this is how you think.
Unfortunately, I think this is a disease that is being picked up by the industry itself. This year's E3 was glaring example of this. We got a lot safe bet sequels and concepts. Games that license images from movies and other media are becoming more prevasive than they ever were during the 8 and 16 bit generations. Overall there is a lot more concentration on where a company is within the market, as opposed to what they a trying to bring to the table. The insane growth this industry has experinced can be reveresed quickly when quality plays second fiddle to everything else. Even Nintendo is not immune to this virus and while I generally like what they have been trying to accomplish of late, there are certain ideas I want them to avoid. The Four Swords thing sounds cool, but the Zelda name has generally been built on mainly the regular adventures and not spin offs. I hope this is not a sign of things to come.
Post by: nolimit19 on May 19, 2003, 07:29:21 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on May 19, 2003, 07:38:47 AM
Doubt my numbers? They come from nintendo's freaking fiscal report 2001 & 2002. Nintendo's fiscal period ends march 31.
In 2001 nintendo missed it's goal of 4 million units, stated it was 3.5 million.
In 2002 nintendo missed it's goal of 10 million units, it stated it sold 5.6 million.
Just do the math--that's 9.1 million.
MS stated 8 million Xbox's sold by the end of it's 2002 (Dec 31st) year. Since then it sold 700K straight from NPD alone. (That's jan-march) alone.
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Saddly, I'm not a fanboy since I own ALL (of course I'm a TRUE gamer) but I'm not some blindass fanboy making numbers out of the blue.
Post by: Byron on May 19, 2003, 08:05:27 AM
Also Microsoft said they expect around 6 million consoles sold for their fiscal year which ends in June. So for XBox to get 10 million right now they should have sold 4 million in their 2001 fiscal year and that was when they only had American sales and recently launched in Japan and Europe and during that time the GC was beating them in both Japan and Europe and before Microsoft dropped the price.
If what you are saying is true, it doesn't make sense why IGN would say it unless they are fanboys or something.
Post by: nolimit19 on May 19, 2003, 08:18:14 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on May 19, 2003, 08:24:29 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on May 19, 2003, 08:25:37 AM
Actually MS hit it's 3.5 million in June 2001.
Post by: Ymeegod on May 19, 2003, 08:37:46 AM
LOL, guess you didn't hear about nintendo's promo then?
And signing up on MSN gives you $200 here in the states has been for years. Why, because they freaking charge you $40 a month and you're ON a CONTRACT. Same with AOL BTW. This really isn't a promo, more like screwing morons :0 since the FEE on breaking the contract is Laughable.
Never--Ever--be a fool and sign up with something requiring a contract without reading the fine print.
Post by: oohhboy on May 19, 2003, 08:43:31 AM
Post by: The Omen on May 19, 2003, 09:02:05 AM
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And signing up on MSN gives you $200 here in the states has been for years. Why, because they freaking charge you $40 a month and you're ON a CONTRACT. Same with AOL BTW. This really isn't a promo, more like screwing morons :0 since the FEE on breaking the contract is Laughable.
Ummm...no. Its 21.95 a month. And for some people who were going to get MSN anyway, it is worth it. I don't feel screwed in the slightest, since I bought my DVD player and a few movies with that money, and was getting MSN anyway. And, yes, it is a contract, but i knew it going in, and don't plan on breaking it.
Post by: Ymeegod on May 19, 2003, 09:12:38 AM
That's 56k? Not broadband.
$21.95 per month for 56k, yet there is plenty that charge 1/2 that ($9 a month for dreamcatcher from example). Some charge $7.
36 months at $21.95 = 790.20 (MSN gives you $400 rebate)
36 months at $9 =324
You end up paying $66.20 more.
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Post by: The Omen on May 19, 2003, 09:50:34 AM
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$21.95 per month for 56k, yet there is plenty that charge 1/2 that ($9 a month for dreamcatcher from example). Some charge $7.
Foolish if I didn't know there were cheaper services, but i did know. Maybe I wanted MSN instead , of say, Juno. You never paid more for something because you prefer it? Everyone does, and it doesn't make them foolish. Foolish? A boy/girl who comes on a forum to argue about numbers of a system that he/she likes is foolish, if not moronic. Why do you even care?
Post by: Ymeegod on May 19, 2003, 10:16:58 AM
And all these "features" are included in the ISP that I listed as well.
Why pay more for the same service?
Unless you live in hicksville then there's bound to be multiple ISPs.
Post by: Cap on May 19, 2003, 11:28:50 AM
http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=37879
of course, we still dont really know how many consoles ms has sold, and wont until june. but if nintendo had 9.3 million sold as of march(speculate probably somewhere between 10-11 million by now), and ms had 8 million as of december, the totals as of now by my estimations would be just about exact. i think the more important thing is that no matter how good nintendo or ms may claim to be doing against each other, they are both losing to sony in a big way.
Post by: RickPowers on May 19, 2003, 11:33:04 AM
Post by: Cap on May 19, 2003, 11:40:54 AM
