Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: K_Icyfire on May 17, 2003, 10:39:45 AM
Title: will nintendo be back on top again?
Post by: K_Icyfire on May 17, 2003, 10:39:45 AM
im just thinking cuz they're releasing the gamecube/gameboy player bundle for regular price of a gamecube. Thats a really cool bundle plus alot of people enjoy gameboy advance and gamecube games so i can just see people rushing to get their own. Do you think this bundle'll screw microsoft xbox up the a$$ and start challenging the sony ps2?
Title: will nintendo be back on top again?
Post by: Scyth3r on May 17, 2003, 10:46:41 AM
No.
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Post by: Ninja X on May 17, 2003, 11:00:06 AM
Tally up another one on the "No" side.
Title: will nintendo be back on top again?
Post by: K_Icyfire on May 17, 2003, 11:07:32 AM
i say yes as long as they advertise it on tv for once!
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Post by: rpglover on May 17, 2003, 11:30:31 AM
i dont think they will ever get to the top again because of the way they do their work nintendo will always have a big user base because of the loyal nintendo fans they will not have the biggest unless they can make their next machine the best and most user friendly eventhough the gamecube is the most user friendly (easy to make games on) they do not market well they must get a big 3rd party list going and have them develope right away and not these games that come out months after the other console versions i believe nintendo now is making the right strides to meet that goal and in a few years they may be top again but i dont believe so- i hope they will but i dont think it will happen
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Post by: Meta-Knight on May 17, 2003, 11:52:18 AM
I don't think advertising is the biggest problem because people who are not hardcore gamers or Nintendo fans usually don't care about the gamecube, and ads won't change that. Nintendo must make games that appeal to them and then market them correctly. They must also find a way to distinguish themselves from the competition because right now most of the people find titles on Xbox and PS2 more appealing.
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Post by: ThePerm on May 17, 2003, 02:17:04 PM
not this generation
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Post by: mouse_clicker on May 17, 2003, 02:19:05 PM
I think the potential is definitely there for them- we never thought they'd be at the bottom, but obviously we were proven wrong in that respect, so why think they can't attain the top once more? I think it's perfectly plausible IF Nintendo plays their cards right.
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Post by: Mario on May 17, 2003, 05:09:17 PM
Well, the thing about Nintendo is they have HUGE potential, but that potential needs to be marketed properly. Nintendo has the games to make a number one position in the industry extremely possible, but until they get a new marketing agency, that potential is being flushed down the toilet. I could go on for ages about Nintendo's crappy marketing, but ill just leave it at that.
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Post by: K_Icyfire on May 17, 2003, 05:31:41 PM
but nobody's really answered my question, nintendo is selling a gamecube with a free gameboy player and a choice of a free game. gameboy advance is second only to ps2 with well over 30 million users and is supposed to be the fastest selling system? Will this help gamecube sales if nintendo markets this new hardware properly? Sony is obviously getting scared because of what nintendo's doing. I think the key to victory for is through the game boy player, its Nintendo's only hope. Sony realizes this and is trying to act to protect their market share. I hope nintendo destroys the psp. Anyways do any of you think the same way? I hope Nintendo destroys those sony bastards. Nintendo better not fall for the same trick twice or else say good bye to nintendo forever.
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Post by: Moonwatcher on May 17, 2003, 06:36:10 PM
Yes I agree they should destroy those bastards. I don't think that the GB player is gonna do it though. I don't know what will, but it's too late in the game for ANYTHING to bring the GC to the top. As much as I'd love to see Nintendo once again rule the market, I think that we should get used to the idea that it's not going to happen anytime soon. Nintendo has a horrible image, and the only thing that can heal that is time.
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Post by: kennyb27 on May 17, 2003, 06:43:36 PM
It will do almost nothing to the PS2 lead. It may help with the Microsoft situation though.
Title: will nintendo be back on top again?
Post by: K_Icyfire on May 17, 2003, 07:01:33 PM
Japan: GBA SP>PS2 USA: GBA SP>PS2 Europe: GBA SP>PS2 everywhere else: GBA SP>PS2
now i hope you people understand why i think gamecube might do a 360 in sales if they bundle the gameboy player at the exact right time.
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on May 17, 2003, 09:24:54 PM
Market to the Pokemon fanatics and BAM (with your spice weasel)
Seriously, if Nintendo are going to do TV adverts and such for this, base it around Pokemon. Wow "dudes" you can now play your Pokemon on the big screen! Way awesome! Radical! Boo-ya! Gnarly!
Surfs up!
They'll be onto a winner.
But in all reality, no. This won't put Nintendo on top. I didn't know they liked to be on top in the first place, I don't pay much attention to the "big" N's sex life.
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Post by: Gamefreak on May 18, 2003, 04:24:59 AM
Not this generation.
As for the future, it's possible. It may not look like Nintendo is going to change its stance anytime in the near future, but you'd be surprised at how much things change in a decade or so. And bear in mind that this is only the third generation of the modern game industry, and all three major companies are here to stay for a loooong time. There's not telling what may happen. Microsoft could collapse by 50 years for all we know. Of course, it probably won't
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Post by: kennyb27 on May 18, 2003, 05:36:31 AM
K_Icyfire, it seems as though you can't be convinced. Sure the GBA SP has a hold on the handheld market. Just think about it, as of right now there is zero competition. So everybody who wants to play a handheld console is stuck with the GBA SP (I'm not saying it is a bad system, I love mine). However, if you try to drag the handheld market into the console market, it won't flip-flop the entire sales pyramid; it just won't do it. It may help Nintendo sales, in fact it probably will; but, and you can quote me on this, PS2 has the lead for good in this generation of console sales.
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Post by: Whichone on May 18, 2003, 07:45:57 AM
Nintendo should fire thier advertising group people and hire someone capable. Advertisments for the GCN have just sucked, esp. at E3 with those fake celebrities.
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Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on May 18, 2003, 08:32:05 AM
Nitnendo has a good cash vault. They should try being extravagent and spend some money on advertising.
The worst part is, when they advertise, those commercials suck.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on May 18, 2003, 08:39:35 AM
"but nobody's really answered my question"
That's because there's no real easy answer- they could just as easily flop and fold up as completely destroy the competition and rise to the top again. There's no cut and dry answer.
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Post by: Hostile Creation on May 18, 2003, 08:55:15 AM
Every Gamecube commercial I've seen is good (or Nintendo at all, for that matter). PS2 commercials are really horrible; they nauseate me. Xbox commercials are better, but not much. Worse thing is, PS2 and Xbox commercials come on a lot more frequently than Nintendo.
I think it's possible, but unlikely. The main problem with the situation is that the world consists of 92% idiot, so only 8% will even consider buying a Gamecube (the others are restrained by stereotypes and they need to conform to whatever social class they're in (usually annoying nerd)).
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Post by: BlkPaladin on May 18, 2003, 09:19:18 AM
I don't think so. Nintendo isn't interesting in being number 1, by this I'm suppose you mean consoles sales and not profits because they are number one in CONSOLE profits right now. (Excluding the Handheld market.)
One of the reason is Nintendo doesn't believe that a game system should be a multimedia center and they fasion all their game systems around this concept to play games and games only. And the systems that has more functions have higher sales because people buy the systems for more than games.
Nintendo also focuses on profits for everything they do. And they are proving that this way can work, even though it puts them in the #2/#3 position.
So it lead me to believe that they aren't going to try to be #1 in console sales and number power. Unless they snatch up another game series like Pokemon except for their console.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on May 18, 2003, 01:34:26 PM
While Nintendo may say they're not interested in being number 1, what they really mean is they're not FOCUSING on being number 1- anyone claiming they don't want to be in the top spot again is lying.
The GB player bundle is a really ncie deal, but the best deal for Nintendo would be to offer a Gamecube/GBA bundle for like $200- $20 more than a PS2 or XBox but you get *2* consoles. Plus, they should include a GCN-GBA link cable- with a deal like that, their connectivity games would sell a LOT better.
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Post by: MysticGohan on May 18, 2003, 06:12:54 PM
Anybody who knows nintendo, knows that they want to be number #1 again. And what nintendo is doing with third parties and expanding their offices. They are posed to make one hell of an effort to return to their glory.
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Post by: nolimit19 on May 19, 2003, 07:39:53 AM
well i know nintendo can be number one again. and i think we will see more advertising and a better launch of the next nintendo console. nitendo is holding its own in terms of consoles sold, but the most important thing is that they are making the most money. if nintendo did get back on top in the console industry they would have to price games cheaper. thats one thing people like about ps2. cheap games. besides that though i htink they have what it takes to do it.
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Post by: K_Icyfire on May 19, 2003, 07:47:17 AM
anybody wanna take a bet? im betting nintendo will begin to dominate the japanese market alot more. have you guys seen the sales of the gba sp? its beating out ps2!! a little hand held. i really think sony is terrified of nintendo's hand held. Im not sure about usa but im guessing that the gb player will at least help out a little bit. same goes for europe. Advertising is the key to this one. The idea of playing all your game boy games on your tv with better graphics is a really cool idea. Dont you guys want one? im sure the casual gamer will love it.
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Post by: kennyb27 on May 19, 2003, 11:44:07 AM
K_Icyfire, I'll put it nice and simple for you: Nintendo cannot do it in this generation. They have three years of sales to make up in 2 years? It is simply not happening. I'm not going to comment on next generation though, anything could happen.
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Post by: The Omen on May 19, 2003, 11:58:40 AM
I think its pretty obvious that Nintendo GC is being used to lay the groundwork for their next system. By that, I mean they are aggressively pursuing deals with 3rd parties and getting exclusives to go with their great stable of 1st and 2nd party games. If they can launch with a Zelda, a new RE and maybe a Final Fantasy Chronicals sequel, I think they'd be primed for a huge comeback. Throw in maybe a Metal Gear, and they could do it. The problem is, which companies will be willing to make exclusives for the new Nintendo when they're staring at the huge user base of the PS2-3? They're going to have open up the wallets and make it happen to have a shot at being #1.
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Post by: NintendoKiD on May 19, 2003, 03:18:39 PM
Its still possible for Nintendo to take the top, but will they? Probably not. I can see Nintendo at around #2, beating the PS2 will be tough. But who cares about sales, IMO Nintendo is better then Sony, and produces way better games. Sure there are some cool PS2 games, but I would much rather have a Nintendo, I mean Nintendo brought up the original gaming phrase. "Dude lets go play some Nintendo!" Now when do you ever here someone say "Dude lets go play some Sony!"
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Post by: Hostile Creation on May 19, 2003, 03:52:41 PM
Actually, if Nintendo gets their system out first, that'll be a big advantage. Most Xbox and PS2 owners aren't really loyalists, and they'll just get the next gen system that comes first. I've heard Sony has been having problems with the PS3, and that it may be a year late (not sure if this is old news, or even true, though), so the system will be just as powerful as the Nintendo system, but out a lot later.
A good starting line-up is also important. I'd suggest a Metroid game, since Prime was so popular, a mature game to attract the horomonal preteens that want them, a Super Smash Brothers just cuz it rocks, and another Nintendo franchise, probably Mario (and perhaps a new franchise). Also make it back compatible.
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Post by: odinfire on May 20, 2003, 04:55:37 AM
Well, Ill put in my feelings.
I am a Nintendo loyalist and have had all their consoles on launch date (Except the Gameboy's), Im not really interested in portable gaming. Anyway, with the next generation Nintendo is going to have to sell me right from the start. With my friend having a PS2 and all the games, yes they dont always look as good but some are really fun, I may just go for a PS3 first and get the new Nintendo when the price drops OR when Mario and Zelda gets released. In my eyes, Nintendo MUST sell the next system even before its released. Nintendo should NEVER be launched without a Mario headlining. NEVER. Nintendo will have to start showing off their release titles before the system is even released.
Why should I buy a Nintendo right away if all the 3rd party support is going to Sony AND no main Nintendo titles (Metroid, Zelda, Mario) will be available at its initial release?
Good question huh. This is the question Nintendo needs to focus on in the next console war otherwise even its hardcore base fans will politely exit the room.
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Post by: thecubedcanuck on May 20, 2003, 07:05:15 AM
Untill till make a product that is MAIMSTREAM acceptable, NOT A CHANCE IN HELL.
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Post by: JoeFalco on May 20, 2003, 07:21:00 AM
Not in this generation...
advertising more (yes, fire whoever is in charge of advertising and hire someone who knows what they're doing!) ship next-generation console earlier or at the right time of other competitior's release of their n-g consoles. Like Odinfire mentioned, launch Mario game at the start of the big N's next big console. As well as a very solid mature game like Metroid or Metal Gear and of course Smash Bros!
Title: will nintendo be back on top again?
Post by: K_Icyfire on May 20, 2003, 01:45:04 PM
i guess it doesnt matter that much anyways. oh well Nintendo should sell more with alot more advertising and more connectivity thingamajingys with the gba and gamecube. look at the trend, unlock hidden characters, levels, new suits, then unlock the original games for NES by linking and now hook play your gba games with some sort of connectivity thing. what next? can't wait.
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Post by: ThePerm on September 22, 2007, 03:44:09 PM
Anyone who said that they would never be number 1 again are wrong..because they are...at least until halo 3 comes out
