Community Forums => General Chat => Topic started by: BranDonk Kong on March 07, 2012, 09:34:49 PM
Title: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 07, 2012, 09:34:49 PM
To be fair I'm sure the display will be beautiful, now when you take those 5MP pictures, you can see them in all of their circa-2009 cell phone quality. And just think of all of those shortcuts to apps that you can look at on your desktop now that it has an unnecessarily high resolution for a 9.7" (4:3) screen.
Other than that, it's the same oversized iPhone that it has always been. I'd say Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave, but it's probably no different than it would have been if he were still the mastermind behind incremental upgrades.
Source = the internet.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: ShyGuy on March 08, 2012, 12:29:05 AM
Yeah, what is with Apple's resolution obsession? I don't get it.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 08, 2012, 12:43:45 AM
Yeah, those fangled kids always want to see their movie/TV shows/games more clearly. When I was a kid, we watches things on 480i TVs with RCA cables and we LIKED it.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 08, 2012, 12:52:29 AM
Yes, apart from doubling the resolution and significantly bumping the processor and graphics and adding a whole bunch of fancy camera abilities and allowing for 4G LTE, it's the same exact thing as the previous models.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: ShyGuy on March 08, 2012, 01:00:09 AM
It's just two ipad 2s duct taped together with waggle.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 08, 2012, 01:31:14 AM
In other Apple news today, Apple released iOS 5.1 with mostly minor updates:
*Japanese language added to Siri *Photos can FINALLY be deleted from your Photo Stream *The camera shortcut is now always visible on Lock Screen for iPhone 3GS/iPhone 4/iPhone 4S/iPod Touch 4th gen *Camera face detection highlights all detected faces *Redesigned camera app for iPad *Genius Mixes and Genius playlists for iTunes Match subscribers *Audio for TV shows/movies on iPad optimized to sound louder and clearer *Podcast controls for playback speed and 30 second rewind added to iPad (which I love since I listen to them at 2X speed on my iPod Touch) *Updated AT&T network indicator *Addresses bugs affecting battery life *Fixes an issue that occasionally caused audio drop for outgoing calls
They also announced that later this month they will release a new version of Apple TV that supports 1080p (right now it only supports up to 720p).
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: nickmitch on March 08, 2012, 02:57:47 AM
Aren't all tablets just giant cell phones? Is it particularly fair to ridicule on device when the entire category is defined that way? The only exception to me is the Kindle Fire because I guess it's a Kindle? I dunno. Amazon doesn't have a phone, so it can't really be that.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: Plugabugz on March 08, 2012, 03:22:10 AM
It's not even 4G LTE, its "4G" HSPA+ which isn't even 4G it's nearer to 3.75G.
It would be nice of any of Siri's location based services - "find me a supermarket" - actually worked rather than telling me i need to be in the USA and use US English, still.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 08, 2012, 03:44:43 AM
It does both LTE and HSPA+. And of course they release 5.1 less than a week after I jailbroke my phone, and it does some good stuff.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: Adrock on March 08, 2012, 07:08:30 AM
Yes, apart from doubling the resolution and significantly bumping the processor and graphics and adding a whole bunch of fancy camera abilities and allowing for 4G LTE, it's the same exact thing as the previous models.
And insano takes the bait... For shame, insano! FOR SHAME! Brandogg clearly has an ax to grind. I expect this from him and I expect better from YOU!
*Photos can FINALLY be deleted from your Photo Stream
Flipping finally! Time to turn on iCloud!
Edit: More exclamation points!!!
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 08, 2012, 09:00:50 AM
Like I said, incremental improvements. The thing is, that they always gimp the model so badly, that when they announce the improvements that should have existed on the first model (like a front camera and a 5MP rear camera...and higher resolution), it seems like a big deal (to some people).
Same thing with Apple TV.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: Ceric on March 08, 2012, 09:12:50 AM
I was very underwhelmed. It was just an iteration. They are calling it "The New iPad" likes it more then an iteration.
iPad 2 had the Cover at the very least. What is the feature that The New iPad has that is really unique? I would have counted fully Siri support.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 08, 2012, 09:30:34 AM
Siri is just an app, there is no reason even the original iPhone (2G) shouldn't have Siri.
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Post by: Ceric on March 08, 2012, 09:37:59 AM
I was very underwhelmed. It was just an iteration. They are calling it "The New iPad" likes it more then an iteration.
Does it matter? If you have an iPad 2 or even the original, you don't have to upgrade but Apple, like every other company, has to update their product line. In fact, this should put a lot of people to ease. They can stand pat for at least another year unless they're really itching for Siri support and a higher res screen. If I had any tablet, that would make me happy. Admittedly, that's just the way I've always looked at upgrading my wares, be it videogames consoles, phones, computers etc. I need a good reason to spend that money and I don't like the idea of buying something that gets trounced by an update in the same line just a few short months later. I would have been pissed if I bought the Droid 3 last year when the much better Droid 4 came out like 7 months later. Ugh, F that.
On a semi-related note, I can understand a front facing camera for video chat/conferencing. I don't understand the rear facing camera on any tablet, iPad or otherwise. I remember seeing a pic of some idiot holding an iPad in the middle of a concert. There a very good chance that one owns a far more practical device to use, especially if one also owns something like an iPad. To each his own, but there's no way I'm holding something that large and expensive up in the middle of a crowd. The update is nice and all. I just don't understand what it's doing there in the first place.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 08, 2012, 10:01:56 AM
Some idiot filmed the kindergarten holiday recital using his iPad at my daughter's school. I use the camera (for video at least) just because it's nice to be able to instantly play it back on a big screen, and the Xoom actually takes pretty decent video, has cool effects with ICS, etc. It's definitely not something you'd use as a digital camera replacement, but if you're going to put a camera on a tablet, at least make it halfway decent from the beginning.
One of my major issues with the iPad and iPhone is that while they update the hardware every year, it's still the same OS it has been since the beginning. It's nice being able to say that you have a dual core A5X CPU, but that home screen is the same one it has been since the phone's inception.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: Adrock on March 08, 2012, 10:11:17 AM
The home screen is probably not going to change unless iOS device users universally complain (and even then, Apple does whatever they want) but it seems adequate for most people. I don't mind it. In fact, I kind of like it. I use maybe 8 things on a daily basis. The only thing I'd really want changed is the ability to delete/uninstall stupid apps that I don't care for like Newstand, Weather, and Stocks. I was able to group a few of them in a folder called "Useless Apps" but Newstand requires an entire spot on he home screen. /first world problems
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 08, 2012, 03:04:52 PM
I think it's entertaining that one of the more popular jailbreak tweaks out there right now is just there to get rid of Newsstand.
And the OS has changed dramatically over the years, just not in terms of the look of it, which Apple unsurprisingly nailed the first time around.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: nickmitch on March 10, 2012, 06:10:11 PM
The central look of Windows hasn't really changed either. Start menu, task bar, desktop with icons. It's what you do/can do with the OS that's evolved and you really only see that with the applications. That comes with both the OS and the hardware.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: xcwarrior on March 18, 2012, 09:04:46 PM
You want proof they aren't really changing a lot to the iPad?
Look at the price of iPad and iPad2. Yeah, still $500. Why? Cause there isn't a significant enough of an upgrade to warrant a price drop.
But as long as the device gets you to Facebook and Twitter and will play Angry Birds, it's apparently worth $500 to a lot of people.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 18, 2012, 09:11:18 PM
Face Time still doesn't support 3G...and now you can add 4G LTE to that sentence. Way to go, Apple! Now people will have a reason to buy next year's model.
On a side note I think it's hilarious that iOS 5.1 put a "4G" icon on the iPhone 4S on AT&T, and people are acting like the phone actually gets a 4G signal and is faster now. It has the same HSPA radio that the iPhone 4 has (and 3GS I believe), but now all of the sudden it's "4G" on the 4S. What a joke.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 18, 2012, 09:21:45 PM
Look at the price of iPad and iPad2. Yeah, still $500. Why? Cause there isn't a significant enough of an upgrade to warrant a price drop.
On the Apple Store Website iPad 2's are listed at $400.
But anyways, I think that's smart of Apple, and one way in which they agree with Nintendo: don't degrade what people expect you to price things at. Apple may have generated the whole race-to-the-bottom amongst third-party developers in terms of free and 99 cent iOS games and apps, but when it comes to them actually charging for their own products, they don't want anyone getting used to the idea of paying less than top dollar.
Better to have old models magically disappear than run a clearance sale that risks teaching consumers to not buy products on day one.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: Ceric on March 18, 2012, 10:10:26 PM
There's the big thing on Apple. All the Software they don't make and some they do could be free for all they care as long as it causes you to buy there hardware. Apple is a Hardware company.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 18, 2012, 10:51:30 PM
Face Time still doesn't support 3G...and now you can add 4G LTE to that sentence. Way to go, Apple! Now people will have a reason to buy next year's model.
That's not Apple's call; the carriers won't allow it. It's like the people blaming them for the DRM back when iTunes songs had it, where Apple would love to get rid of that restriction but it's not up to them.
You want proof they aren't really changing a lot to the iPad?
Look at the price of iPad and iPad2. Yeah, still $500. Why? Cause there isn't a significant enough of an upgrade to warrant a price drop.
But as long as the device gets you to Facebook and Twitter and will play Angry Birds, it's apparently worth $500 to a lot of people.
I'm not following your logic there. Apple not dropping the price on the outdated hardware somehow proves the new hardware isn't a real improvement? This is the way Apple designs hardware: each new model replaces the previous one, with improved specs and features at the same price point. Not dropping the price on the old ones is like Nintendo not dropping the price on old games; doing that would encourage people to wait for the price drop, decreasing how much money they make.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 18, 2012, 11:11:59 PM
Galaxy Nexus does Google video chat over 3G/4G. On a side note, T-Mobile has been testing switching their 1900Mhz band to HSPA, so people with unlocked GSM iPhones might soon (and already do in some areas) get 3G on T-Mobile.
I suppose carriers do take the blame for some restrictions - for instance AT&T will not unlock an iPhone no matter how hard you beg (and no matter what the law says), but Verizon and Sprint will unlock (at least for international use, though many Verizon global phones will work on any US GSM carrier too) any of their global phones (including the 4S) as long as you make at least two payments on your contract and are current on your bills. For shame, AT&T.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 18, 2012, 11:17:49 PM
I'd assume carriers give Android more leeway because they have greater control over it. I think they're still pretty resentful of Apple for demanding total control of their platform.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 18, 2012, 11:30:45 PM
Brandogg, unlocking your phone may be legal but phone companies are not required to do it for you. The decision to allow unlocking (and jailbreaking) also said though that unlocking your phone on your own can be considered violating the terms of service of your contract (if your provider has such a provision).
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Post by: oohhboy on March 22, 2012, 06:17:21 AM
The hell are you on about TJ? He was talking about unlocking phones for international use and other carriers. People do go overseas and there is a world outside of USA.
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Post by: Adrock on March 22, 2012, 09:02:07 AM
The hell are you on about TJ? He was talking about unlocking phones for international use and other carriers. People do go overseas and there is a world outside of USA.
Dur, that's what I was talking about too. Read my post. He complained about AT&T not unlocking phones, and I said that legally they don't have to.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 22, 2012, 10:00:18 PM
I was of the understanding that they did have to, but unlocking your phone (aside from maybe the iPhone if you jailbreak/unlock) can't violate your ToS since unlocking your phone is supported by the manufacturer, and typically your service provider. Typically if you're on good terms with your provider you just call them up and say, "I need my phone SIM unlocked," and then they say "here's the code and how you need to use it."
But back to the main point...iPad sucks.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 22, 2012, 10:16:53 PM
The decision to make jailbreaking and unlocking legal made sure to point out that the phone providers were not required to do it for you, and that it CAN violate the ToS. All the decision did was say that you are not breaking the law if you do it yourself.
I like the iPad, not perfect but its good (I have the original).
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 22, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
Unlocking has always been legal in the US (or at least since smart phones came around), the DMCA was just revised to specifically say it's legal in 2006 and then in 2009. It seems that unlocking your phone really only might be a problem if you use AT&T (and for some reason you tell one of their lawyers that you unlocked your phone). Verizon will unlock your phone after 60 days (only one per customer every 180 days though), I believe Sprint has the same policy, and T-Mobile will unlock you phone after 40 days of service, and you can get another unlocked in 90 days. AT&T will consider it after you fulfill your contract, but they will never unlock and iPhone (even though the #1 and #3 carriers in the US will).
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 22, 2012, 11:03:19 PM
I think you are right on it always being legal for the providers to unlock it, the DMCA clarified it to say that users are allowed to do it on their own.
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Post by: oohhboy on March 23, 2012, 02:35:20 AM
The hell are you on about TJ? He was talking about unlocking phones for international use and other carriers. People do go overseas and there is a world outside of USA.
Dur, that's what I was talking about too. Read my post. He complained about AT&T not unlocking phones, and I said that legally they don't have to.
Jailbreaking and unlocking are two separate things. On the iPhone you have to Jailbreak to Unlock. Jailbreaking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_jailbreaking) is about running unsanctioned software on an Apple device. Unlocking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_lock) is all about the carriers and their SIM cards. Stop using the term interchangeably.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 23, 2012, 08:27:00 AM
Technically you don't *have* to jailbreak the iPhone to unlock it. Apple will sell unlocked iPhones at their stores and they can actually unlock any iPhone that they want to, they just basically don't do it. You can also use a Gevey SIM to unlock an iPhone 4 (as long as it had 4.10.01 baseband or lower) or a 4S (GSM-provisioned only).
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Post by: Caterkiller on March 25, 2012, 03:28:20 PM
So I dont care much about anything beyond wifi on the go, or so I assume. Should i get a cheaper IPAD2 or get a 3?
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Post by: nickmitch on March 25, 2012, 04:21:09 PM
I would go to an apple store and look at the display. That's gonna be the real differentiator.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: Stogi on March 25, 2012, 04:50:44 PM
I've read that there isn't a big difference between the two, even with the display. You aren't going to notice the difference in power or display unless you run enormous games or put the screen an inch away from your face.
There are also some really nice Android tablets to be found. Take a look here: http://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-tablets-2012-49160/
Almost all of them have more power/ram/battery life and better cameras. Most of them also have HDMI outs and USB/SD Card ins. They're also universally cheaper.
But if you've been with Apple, it's probably best to stick with them.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: Adrock on March 25, 2012, 05:07:56 PM
I've read that performance wise, the new iPad is basically on par with the iPad 2. All of the upgrades to the processor, battery etc. are there mostly because the screen demands greater resources. For example, battery life is more or less unchanged because a larger battery was employed to match the screen's greater needs. I went to Best Buy the other day to check out the screen and it does look pretty fantastic, much better than the iPad 2. Not good enough to buy one, mind you, but if I were to get one, that new screen would be hard to pass up.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 25, 2012, 07:51:46 PM
If you are just looking for a WiFi on the go tablet, then I would get a Nook Tablet or Kindle Fire. They are both cheap, and actually quite powerful machines if you ever want to play some games.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 09, 2012, 09:21:50 AM
Hey, AT&T has finally started unlocking iPhones (through Apple)...but only if you've either fulfilled your entire contract, bought the phone at full retail, or paid an ETF...and are under contract still...and have purchased another phone from AT&T. So...that $49 3GS you got 2 years ago can finally be unlocked...if you have another phone from them...and are still a customer. One day they'll figure it out. Don't worry, if you bought a used one...they'll look up the IMEI and makes sure the person who originally bought it completed their contract...and make sure that you are an AT&T customer.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 09, 2012, 09:30:37 AM
Awesome, now I can unlock my 2-year-old beat-up, obsolete iPhone.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: Stogi on April 09, 2012, 09:33:27 AM
Actually you could unlock your obsolete iPhone and sell it overseas for more than a bit.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: nickmitch on April 09, 2012, 07:30:37 PM
Hey, AT&T has finally started unlocking iPhones (through Apple)...but only if you've either fulfilled your entire contract, bought the phone at full retail, or paid an ETF...and are under contract still...and have purchased another phone from AT&T. So...that $49 3GS you got 2 years ago can finally be unlocked...if you have another phone from them...and are still a customer. One day they'll figure it out. Don't worry, if you bought a used one...they'll look up the IMEI and makes sure the person who originally bought it completed their contract...and make sure that you are an AT&T customer.
That's more of an OR situation. Yeah, you have to have an account in good standing, but you can get it unlocked if you're out of contract OR upgraded to a new phone OR payed for an ETF. From my understanding you don't need to have bought another AT&T phone.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 10, 2012, 08:46:31 AM
You would have had to have upgraded your phone *and* completed your contract - as in, early upgrade (plus $100 fee), and still finish the remainder of the contract. I can't really speak from an AT&T customer point of view though, I've had Verizon for over 12 years, and honestly other than for getting an iPhone before everyone else (in the US at least), I can't think of any good reason that anyone would sign up with AT&T. Most dropped calls, worst rated customer service, crazy high prices...
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Post by: nickmitch on April 11, 2012, 03:49:18 PM
From what I read, I thought it was completing your contract by either running out the two years or paying the ETF while still being a paying customer. Alternatively, you can be in a contract as long as the phone itself wasn't associated with said contract.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 11, 2012, 03:55:27 PM
Here is what AT&T basically says are the requirements:
a customer’s account must be in good standing, their device cannot be associated with a current and active term commitment on an AT&T customer account, and they need to have fulfilled their contract term, upgraded under one of our upgrade policies or paid an early termination fee.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 11, 2012, 09:41:13 PM
So basically, it's the worst unlocking policy on any carrier.
Title: Re: iPad 3 is announced, is same thing as iPad 2 (and iPad 1).
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 11, 2012, 10:17:37 PM
Yep, so basically you need to have a AT&T iPhone that is no under contract and you need to be in good standing with the company.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 15, 2012, 08:38:14 PM
