Unfortunately, it never got past the first line because Nintendo had no online strategy.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/28480
Battlefield developer DICE pitched Battlefield as a GameCube exclusive to Nintendo, according to Penny Arcade's Jeff Kalles (and former Nintendo of America employee) on our 2nd Annual Live Podcast Telethon for Child's Play.
Apparently, despite Nintendo's love for the initial pitch, it never got past the gatekeepers because Nintendo had no online strategy in place.
It is worth noting that developers routinely pitch publishers all the time, and Nintendo was likely part of DICE's rounds when they were making Battlefield. Still, imagine if Nintendo had the force of Battlefield to build an online infrastructure around.
You'll be able to hear the whole segment, which featured Kalles, Site Founder Billy Berghammer, Totally Rad Show's Jeff Cannata, and former Planet GameCube staffer Rick Powers, in the next few days.
It makes you wonder how many other exclusives were lost due to Nintendo's online approach..
Hopefully this is all fixed with Wii U, the perfect time to show all they've learnt.
Considering the fact that Nintendo has online before there was internet,
I think BNM is mixing up the Internet with the World Wide Web.yes. well sort of.
...I have to argue that point for this specific Genre. Racing I really think is enhanced by 3D. I think it is the genre that is most enhanced by 3D. When done good not even well the sense of speed you get from having the 3D is really great.
Second, it doesn't really add to games.
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Imagine if Battlefield was GameCube exclusive. (Hey, You got Your Dude-bro in my Mario. You got Your Mario in My Dude-Bro. Mario Bro. The brothers are from anotha motha. *fist Bump*)
Imagine if the PlayStation was the N64. (Wait, it wasn't?)
Imagine if the 360 didn't RROD. (I probably would have heard about the 360 a lot less.)
Imagine if the PS3 wasn't $600. (I think this should really be "Imagine if the PS3 would have kept full BC." Though I would have saved a good chunk of change...)
Imagine if the six-axis worked.(Works much better then the Move. Honestly it works well.)
Imagine if PSN never got hacked. (Wipeout HD NOOOOOO)
Imagine if Kinect games incorporated the controller. (lol, that be hilarious. I need to grab this ball back here Noooo I need to hit a button... Wait I'm suppose to run in place while using the analog stick to control where I go... Pretend the controller is a pistol to use it???... NOOO thats not my arm its a cord.)
Imagine if Kinect games incorporated the controller.
PRE-EDIT: So what changes would you make?
EDIT: Nevermind, I think we've all made up our minds here.
I'm going to keep enjoying Nintendo's online functionality, and if some of you find it unacceptable, you certainly have that option of buying a PS3 or 360 with an XBL subscription.
As long as people are ENJOYING gaming instead of just complaining about it... that's what's important.
EAD Tokyo has actually made 3 Mario platforming games (meaning not counting stuff like Mario Kart Wii): Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, New Super Mario Bros. Wii. I really want Super Mario Land 3D Land, but can't afford to spend money on video games right now.
Nothing to add here...
But I just finished Ghost Trick. Wow that was an awesome ending.
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question WHY they are dissatisfied?
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Nothing to add here...
But I just finished Ghost Trick. Wow that was an awesome ending.
do the interface issues (layout and speed) really disrupt your hobby that much?
What's worse: unnecessarily long download times once or unnecessarily long load times between every segment of PS3/60 games?
But if you're complaining substantially more than enjoying? Guess what? YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
...Yes.
do the interface issues (layout and speed) really disrupt your hobby that much?
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What's worse: unnecessarily long download times once or unnecessarily long load times between every segment of PS3/60 games?Can't Speak about the 360 but, I can't think of a game that had load times any longer then the Wii that I've played on the PS3. Definitely not unnecessarily long. I mean Portal 2 for PS3 takes just as long as it does on the PC. Actually less if you count starting Steam in that. That's the best comparison I can make for speed.
All I'm trying to say is, everyone's got imperfections, what's the upside to focusing on one?Conciseness and Focus of Discussion in a given area. Losing focus, Loses points and Scatters Understanding.
Ceric -
That's all fair. And I can understand being disappointed. But Nintendo has made steps on the notifications and do the interface issues (layout and speed) really disrupt your hobby that much? What's worse: unnecessarily long download times once or unnecessarily long load times between every segment of PS3/60 games?
All I'm trying to say is, everyone's got imperfections, what's the upside to focusing on one?
...As long as I see progress I may be bummed about a game taking a while to load but, that I can understand. Its the speed of the experience especially since I know what it would take and how long this type of program normally take. When I start the shop it shouldn't take so long that I start to worry the shop has froze or had an error, which it has on me. When I go through I shouldn't be able to to go and get a drink when selecting a menu. Considering how much back and forth I need to do it makes simple task excruciatingly long. Let me give an analog example:
Ceric -
Care to elaborate? I mean, the download only takes a few minutes, and then you have a game you wanted. Where does the experience get ruined?
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...To have in-depth discussion on any given topic you need to focus on different aspects of the topic in turn. A very broad focus gives you a very broad discussion.
Also, I need you to rephrase that bit on focus. I don't think anyone could explain what you were trying to say there =P
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...Simply put I have to find a game to have an experience with. Which a terrible interface hinders me in doing so. The interface is a large portion of the overall experience. At the moment it is a barrier that I need to overcome to get access to games that I want to play. It shouldn't be like that. How would you feel about getting Groceries if you had to climb a 20ft wall to get into the Grocery store? Navigate an obstacle course to get the peas. Present your Social Security Card, Driver License, and Proof of Address when you checked out. It feels that limiting.
Yes, I'm granting you that your experience with the INTERFACE has been terrible. But how does that spill over in to ruining the game/overall experience? Which, I presume, is why you're accessing the interface in the first place.
Also, no one is making an argument against focused discussions. This is why I think you were confused.I never said anyone was. I was just simply answering the question you posed to me that was:
All I'm trying to say is, everyone's got imperfections, what's the upside to focusing on one?The Answer is simply Focused Discussion.
BNM-
Sorry, I thought you were speaking about general company philosophies there. My mistake.
Strictly regarding online services, it doesn't cost Sony any money to provide those bells and whistles? They don't require any additional processing power? The 360 can be used online without a subscription fee?
mmm...
As for the long history, online simply hasn't been a focus for Nintendo. Their focus has been on game quality, and local multiplayer. I know it would be awesome if every company was great at everything. But do you think Nintendo's focus was a mistake?
As time has moved on and the popularity of online is increasing, yes, Nintendo is starting to focus on it more. So, what's the problem? For most people when a Wii/DS game has online functionality they are interested in, they've enjoyed it. That's why Brawl and Kart and Tri and Animal Crossing and CoD have been as popular as they are on the platform. And in the future, it looks like it will only get better. So, yea, I'm happy with that.
Or maybe because this is a Nintendo site we happen to focus on things related to Nintendo (the good and the bad)*
and just because you and alot of other people are perfectly happy in their one bedroom apartment with all the basic necessities, doesn't mean they would't be much happier in that 2 story 4 bedroom with all the bells and whistles including the pool & spa in the back.
Or maybe because this is a Nintendo site we happen to focus on things related to Nintendo (the good and the bad)*
And you find it equal across the general culture? I wouldn't have a problem if it was only coming up because it was a Nintendo discussion. Sheesh. It should have been painfully obvious from the very beginning that the only issue is when ALL ELSE IS THE SAME Nintendo still gets bashed with more frequency and intensity.
and just because you and alot of other people are perfectly happy in their one bedroom apartment with all the basic necessities, doesn't mean they would't be much happier in that 2 story 4 bedroom with all the bells and whistles including the pool & spa in the back.
Except that with Nintendo platforms there are actually a lot of other benefits. Such as 1st party games, pioneering technology and extra money in your pocket to buy more games. So, fit those in to your analogy however you need to.
Or maybe because this is a Nintendo site we happen to focus on things related to Nintendo (the good and the bad)*
And you find it equal across the general culture? I wouldn't have a problem if it was only coming up because it was a Nintendo discussion. Sheesh. It should have been painfully obvious from the very beginning that the only issue is when ALL ELSE IS THE SAME Nintendo still gets bashed with more frequency and intensity.
Stop complaining about the general gaming culture here. We know it's bad; that's why we're here instead of there. You're ruining this site by bringing your complaints about it here.Quoteand just because you and alot of other people are perfectly happy in their one bedroom apartment with all the basic necessities, doesn't mean they would't be much happier in that 2 story 4 bedroom with all the bells and whistles including the pool & spa in the back.
Except that with Nintendo platforms there are actually a lot of other benefits. Such as 1st party games, pioneering technology and extra money in your pocket to buy more games. So, fit those in to your analogy however you need to.
He was specifically referring to the online system, and it's pretty clear that that's what he was doing. Those points have nothing to do with the online system. They are good things about Nintendo, but irrelevant to this discussion.
*sigh*... I tried...
I've seen the Shop Channel routinely take between 3-5 minutes to load between 3 pages of content, assuming the service even loads at all (I've seen that shop crash at least 1/5 times I've tried to access it)? You asked how bad that was when you eventually get your game. Well, let me put this in context: it routinely takes between 3-5 seconds to load that same amount of content on PSN,
Imagine if Battlefield was GameCube exclusive.
Imagine if the PlayStation was the N64.
Imagine if the 360 didn't RROD.
Imagine if the PS3 wasn't $600.
Imagine if the six-axis worked.
Imagine if PSN never got hacked.
Imagine if Kinect games incorporated the controller.
It's nice to learn new bits of history that we didn't before, but it's foolish how game culture obsesses over Nintendo's sins. While having the presence of mind to regard other companies' mistakes as "oh please, move on already!"
Sh*t happens, enjoy games.
Insano/BNM -
No, in his/your analogy illustrated that in order to be happy with one facet of Nintendo's service, your entire "environment" would be mediocre.
Insano -
Oh yes, incendiary indeed!It's nice to learn new bits of history that we didn't before, but it's foolish how game culture obsesses over Nintendo's sins. While having the presence of mind to regard other companies' mistakes as "oh please, move on already!"
Sh*t happens, enjoy games.
Man, oh man, telling people not to obsess and dwell on negatives for the sake of enjoying games. I sure did come here picking a fight, eh?
Before I chimed in there wasn't a nice discussion, it was just a lot of people depressing themselves for no reason. People avoid that mistake so easily regarding other companies' mistakes. They can be happier and do the same for Nintendo.
Insano -
Oh yes, incendiary indeed!Imagine if Battlefield was GameCube exclusive.
Imagine if the PlayStation was the N64.
Imagine if the 360 didn't RROD.
Imagine if the PS3 wasn't $600.
Imagine if the six-axis worked.
Imagine if PSN never got hacked.
Imagine if Kinect games incorporated the controller.
It's nice to learn new bits of history that we didn't before, but it's foolish how game culture obsesses over Nintendo's sins. While having the presence of mind to regard other companies' mistakes as "oh please, move on already!"
Sh*t happens, enjoy games.
Man, oh man, telling people not to obsess and dwell on negatives for the sake of enjoying games. I sure did come here picking a fight, eh?
Before I chimed in there wasn't a nice discussion, it was just a lot of people depressing themselves for no reason. People avoid that mistake so easily regarding other companies' mistakes. They can be happier and do the same for Nintendo.
I'll bite.I thought these where clever.Imagine if Battlefield was GameCube exclusive. (Hey, You got Your Dude-bro in my Mario. You got Your Mario in My Dude-Bro. Mario Bro. The brothers are from anotha motha. *fist Bump*)
Imagine if the PlayStation was the N64. (Wait, it wasn't?)
Imagine if the 360 didn't RROD. (I probably would have heard about the 360 a lot less.)
Imagine if the PS3 wasn't $600. (I think this should really be "Imagine if the PS3 would have kept full BC." Though I would have saved a good chunk of change...)
Imagine if the six-axis worked.(Works much better then the Move. Honestly it works well.)
Imagine if PSN never got hacked. (Wipeout HD NOOOOOO)
Imagine if Kinect games incorporated the controller. (lol, that be hilarious. I need to grab this ball back here Noooo I need to hit a button... Wait I'm suppose to run in place while using the analog stick to control where I go... Pretend the controller is a pistol to use it???... NOOO thats not my arm its a cord.)
<-- last word ;)
