Even though its about 13 years too late, at least now the suffering will finally stop.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 06, 2011, 04:11:28 PM
I had read about that, but I didn't know it was final.
I'm surprised they didn't just go with sound-alikes like what was said before when I first read this news. Sound sound-alike actors would have taken that $440k spread out over the next 4 seasons just to have the job.
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Post by: Ceric on October 06, 2011, 04:12:37 PM
With the money those sound actors were making I'm sure they are ready to move on by now.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 06, 2011, 04:24:20 PM
With the money those voice actors are making they could have retired ages ago, but why? With that kinda money for work that comes almost second nature, I would do it till I couldn't do it anymore.
But if they are smart, they will negotiate for one more year at a large paycut and a larger slice of merchandising, syndication DVD sales on the back end.
And throw in a few direct to DVD movies/specials/Treehouse of Horrors episodes down the line.
They gotta milk this thing till the teet is bone dry and keep that residual income flowing in.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Ceric on October 06, 2011, 04:29:45 PM
With the money those voice actors are making they could have retired ages ago, but why? With that kinda money for work that comes almost second nature, I would do it till I couldn't do it anymore. ...
I do it till they tried to change the money on me because it would eventually get tiresome. Which they are trying to change the money downward so, I be getting out as well. If I felt the itch to do the work again with those credentials I could easily pick up another gig. Though it might just be cameo admittedly.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 06, 2011, 04:49:49 PM
take less upfront, take more on the back-end.
in the end, you probably end up making much more over a longer period of time.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 06, 2011, 05:08:19 PM
I used to be a huge Simpsons fan, but once I watched the horrible Simpsons movie made a few years back much of my interest instantly evaporated. I was expecting a lot out of that movie, but it failed to deliver. I've only watched the series sporadically since then.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: broodwars on October 06, 2011, 05:11:03 PM
I've never enjoyed the Simpsons, though I can respect its role in western animation history. The thing is, it's hard to be happy about a series this ridiculously long being canceled when I have no faith that Fox will actually replace it with anything good.
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Post by: Morari on October 06, 2011, 05:20:14 PM
The movie wasn't bad. The script wasn't quite film quality though. It felt like an extended episode in just about every regard.
I haven't watched The Simpsons regularly for over a decade. I occasionally catch a newer episode though, and I still find it to be quite entertaining in those isolated bouts. The tone is definitely different nowadays, but it still beats ADD riddled crapshoots like Family Guy.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 06, 2011, 05:24:58 PM
It will go for one more year and then be replaced with the comeback of Arrested Development.
In the year 2000!!!!! /conan
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Ceric on October 06, 2011, 05:34:01 PM
The movie wasn't bad. The script wasn't quite film quality though. It felt like an extended episode in just about every regard.
I haven't watched The Simpsons regularly for over a decade. I occasionally catch a newer episode though, and I still find it to be quite entertaining in those isolated bouts. The tone is definitely different nowadays, but it still beats ADD riddled crapshoots like Family Guy.
Family Guy is a lot less ADD then the first 4 seasons when it was good.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Ian Sane on October 06, 2011, 05:44:34 PM
I think the most appropriate response to this is "HAW HAW!"
Simpsons actually went on long enough that it is not weird anymore for me to say I used to like it but have hated it for years. I used to get a lot of flack for that as there was still a lot of people that had watched it around the same time I did who felt the show was still funny. As my brother says "we thought the Simpsons sucked before it was cool". ;) Seriously though in the last few years everyone else we knew who defended it now hates it. It is now normal to states which season is your cut off point of Simpson fandom.
My cut off point is season 7 and that is a pretty close call. There are some real groaner episodes in that season, like the one where Lisa becomes a vegetarian. But it also has the Radioactive Man movie episode which is one of the best. The season pales in comparison to the sheer gold of seasons 3-6 though and that's probably why 7 is my cut off point. It was clear watching it at the time that the show had already peaked and that it was the start of the downslide. Once that happens it is time for a show to end gracefully. No TV show has some great years and then sucks for a few seasons and then becomes great again. Once they've peaked they just get worse and worse so quit while you're ahead.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 06, 2011, 06:01:27 PM
It felt like an extended episode in just about every regard.
That's exactly what I mean. Not even a particularly great episode, either. There have been episodes which I would have been happy to have seen extended to 2 hours, but that wasn't what the movie delivered. I don't know what the episode was called, but I remember one episode which looked into the lives of various Springfield characters. That would have been a great basis for the movie, but sadly that wasn't what happened.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: broodwars on October 06, 2011, 06:28:24 PM
No TV show has some great years and then sucks for a few seasons and then becomes great again. Once they've peaked they just get worse and worse so quit while you're ahead.
I don't disagree with you in general, but clearly you haven't seen much anime. It's pretty common for just what you describe to happen with long-running anime series (as well as on a micro level within a single season), especially if they have years of filler while waiting for the manga to catch up.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 06, 2011, 06:30:50 PM
One animated series I wish would get brought back is the Critic.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Shaymin on October 06, 2011, 06:38:02 PM
So what will Seth McFarlane crank out to replace it, I wonder?
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 06, 2011, 06:58:52 PM
So what will Seth McFarlane crank out to replace it, I wonder?
The Simpletons
It's a family based show revolving around a Father, Mother and 2 children, with a 3rd member of the family being included for comedic relief. They have wild neighbors and live in a crazy town, but this family is very simple minded and therefore just trying to get through their day.
Coming to FOX the Fall after next as part of the McFarlane Animation Domination Block.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Ceric on October 06, 2011, 08:49:55 PM
Seriously enough McFarlane should have gotten 1 show and Fox should have reached for new talent to finish the rest of the block. That show should have been American Dad.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 06, 2011, 09:05:01 PM
No TV show has some great years and then sucks for a few seasons and then becomes great again. Once they've peaked they just get worse and worse so quit while you're ahead.
The West Wing did pretty much that. It kind of went to **** when Aaron Sorkin left after season 4, but the final season was brilliant. It's certainly not common, but it does happen every now and again.
I'm not sure if the cancellation would help this, but it seems like it might: I really, really want this show to come to Netflix.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Morari on October 06, 2011, 09:11:10 PM
One animated series I wish would get brought back is the Critic.
Yes! Agreed 110%.
Amen to that. It's not like Jon Lovitz is doing anything anyway. And with a Battleship movie coming out soon, the show would write itself.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 06, 2011, 10:49:14 PM
I bought The Critic on DVD recently, and have been meaning to go back and rewatch it. This thread is bumping it a few notches up my queue.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 06, 2011, 11:48:56 PM
Someone told me Mike Judge is going to bring back Beavis and Butthead. Its not coming to Fox, but its animated so I thought I'd mention it. Speaking of Mike Judge, it was a shame when King of the Hill got cancelled to make room for the Cleveland Show.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: bustin98 on October 07, 2011, 08:34:45 AM
I thought Seth McFarlane was working on a redo of The Flintstones?
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: oohhboy on October 07, 2011, 09:38:31 AM
What do you mean King of the Hill got canned to make room for the Cleveland Show? If that is true, I can only hate that Cleveland Show even more. The Cleveland Show is criminally bad.
As for the Simpsons, I am pretty Ho-hum about it, live or die, I don't care. The Simpsons had hit multi-seasons spanning lows when it stop being about the Simpsons and completely focused on Homer. Endless seasons of Homer, unending episodes of that fat **** and his next adventure into idiocracy. The same thing happened to Family guy, just endless fucking Peter episodes. The Simpsons had HUNDREDS of characters more interesting than Homer and they were telling me there was nothing else interesting to tell me about them over 23 fucking seasons? Yet everytime, it's Homer does stupid, problems arise from stupid, crisis resolves itself when everyone else picks up Homers slack and Homer gets hit with blunt objects enough times per episode.
If it dies, I can only hope they get some fresh meat, not more Seth McFarlane. I like 2 out of his 3 shows with American Dad easily the most consistently funny.
Bring back The Tick, anything, something different that isn't another animated nuclear family sitcom.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Ceric on October 07, 2011, 09:57:17 AM
The Tick would be awesome.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Morari on October 07, 2011, 10:59:49 AM
I always liked the live action Tick better. It made it even more surrealistic.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 07, 2011, 11:15:46 AM
SPOOOOON!!!
But Fox has tried to get more cartoons to fill the block... all of them have failed. If anything, they might just bring back King of the Hill... but I don't know if it's been gone long enough yet.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Ceric on October 07, 2011, 11:24:55 AM
King of the Hill is dead. That was an all about momentum show. Much like a tradition. Once the tradition is broke it will never be as strong again.
The could do The Tick cartoon again.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 07, 2011, 12:15:15 PM
The Tick failed on saturday morning cartoons and again on primetime Live action
I doubt they would try it again... It might have better success being revived on Cartoon Network or Comedy Central though.
TAFT!!
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Ceric on October 07, 2011, 12:28:40 PM
It Fox or Sci-Fi failed. Which has no real bearing on real human beings concepts of failure.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 07, 2011, 01:25:07 PM
What do you mean King of the Hill got canned to make room for the Cleveland Show? If that is true, I can only hate that Cleveland Show even more. The Cleveland Show is criminally bad.
From Wikipedia
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Although the series' ratings remained consistent through the 10th, 11th, and 12th seasons, and began to rise in the overall Nielsen ratings (up to the 105th most watched series on television, up from 118 in the 8th season), Fox in 2008 abruptly announced that the series had been canceled. The cancellation coincided with the announcement that Seth MacFarlane, creator of American Dad! and Family Guy, would be creating a spinoff series for Family Guy entitled The Cleveland Show. The news came out about the same time that Fox cancelled a recent addition to its animated programming lineup, Sit Down, Shut Up. This was coupled with the revelation that Cleveland would be taking over King of the Hill's timeslot.[10]
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 07, 2011, 01:39:30 PM
That doesn't mean that KotH was canned for TCS, but more likely that TCS was green lit because they planned on canning KotH.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 07, 2011, 07:24:56 PM
I'm sorry but King of the Hill fans need to be glad with what they got. The show last for 13 seasons and had 259 episodes, that's way longer then most television shows. Plus it got to have a proper ending and stopped before it ever became terrible like The Simpsons did.
I mean come on, all people eventually run out of ideas for a series and that's why all longrunning television series eventually turn to crap. It was only a matter of time before it happened to King of the Hill. Be happy it got to finish while still on top.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Morari on October 07, 2011, 08:38:02 PM
King of the Hill was one of the funniest cartoons ever. It was wonderfully dry and satirical in most cases. Not like this random wiz-bang junk that McFarlane pushes out in slightly different wrappers. I mean, it's pretty good when the worst thing Mike Judge has ever done was Idiocracy. :P
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 07, 2011, 08:45:25 PM
Who was it that said HA HA?
Groening & Co. say (http://i.imgur.com/9dENU.jpg) back
The Simpsons are safe for two more seasons, which will bring them to a historic 25 years on network TV, longer than any other scripted series.
After tense negotiations with the voice acting cast for a renewal, Fox announced Friday afternoon that the longest running comedy in history will return for a 24th and 25th season.
Fox did not reveal the terms of the deals with the actors, but sources say they accepted a sharp cut in pay, of around 30% from the $440,000 for each of 22 episodes they had been making.
Fox said in its announcement The Simpsons will return on Oct. 30 with new episodes, beginning with the Treehouse of Horrors XXII.”
MORE TO COME...
I bet they read my post... ;)
25 years. 2.5 decades. 1/4 century. I hope they end it on a good note at the end of the anniversary season.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 07, 2011, 10:59:39 PM
I think making half a million dollars to do the voice on a half hour show for hundreds of episodes is beyond ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Morari on October 07, 2011, 11:23:43 PM
Still better than all of those undeserving, uneducated jocks out there with corporate sponsorship.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 08, 2011, 12:31:46 AM
F*CK
Guess they have to rape the corpse a little bit longer then. :@
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Adrock on October 08, 2011, 07:59:44 AM
What are you so upset about? No one is strapping you to a chair and forcing you to watch The Simpsons.
I haven't watched The Simpsons consistently since the 11th season. My favorite seasons were seasons 4 to the middle of season 9. I also liked the movie. It was better than some of the episodes in later seasons I saw. I'm glad the show got renewed and the producers are given ample time to think of a way to end the series, even if there isn't a running storyline or anything.
I think at least part of the reason why the actors and producers took a pay cut was because the show deserves a true send off. Even with a pay cut they're paid extremely well. All mainstream entertainers including athletes are grossly overpaid for the actual "work" they do but they make companies a lot of money and fans foot the bill so people can't be too upset about the salaries they make. They're providing a "service" the general public is willing to pay for.
Anyway, I'm probably still not going to watch The Simpsons since I don't have cable, or an antenna/converter box. Fox is also the worst channel when it comes to fostering new shows. Sure, they tend to greenlight a lot of shows that would never, ever have a chance on NBC, CBS, or ABC but unless the show is a break out success from the get-go, Fox typically cancels it mid-season and doesn't air the rest of the episodes. Fail.
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 08, 2011, 11:49:50 AM
Yeah, I haven't watched the Simpsons in a long time and probably won't again anytime soon but I don't particularly want to see it get cancelled. The only thing that might be good if it gets cancelled is that it would free up a time slot and something good might come along, but aside from that why should I want the Simpsons to go away? It neither breaks my bones nor picks my pockets. I don't get why someone would be so upset as Luigi Dude apparently is about it being renewed.
You can't use that argument that the show should "end with grace" or "quit while its ahead", because apparently everyone agrees it was too late for that many seasons ago. So if the damage is already long done, what can another two seasons hurt?
Title: Re: The Simpsons are finally being put out of their misery
Post by: nickmitch on October 08, 2011, 03:36:51 PM
I'd much rather see the show take a year or so off. A hiatus would really do the show the show some good. Give a little break for the writers to work come up with fresher ideas, maybe do something else.
