Community Forums => General Chat => Topic started by: Shaymin on October 05, 2011, 07:52:54 PM
Title: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Shaymin on October 05, 2011, 07:52:54 PM
http://www.apple.com/stevejobs
RIP Steve, and thanks for saving Disney.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: FZeroBoyo on October 05, 2011, 08:33:27 PM
Thank you for the fine products. He was a true visionary.
RIP Mr. Jobs.
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on October 05, 2011, 08:37:14 PM
I did it. I killed him.
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Post by: nickmitch on October 05, 2011, 08:39:42 PM
:(
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Post by: Khushrenada on October 05, 2011, 08:44:39 PM
Wow. He just stepped down as CEO. That was fast. Well, I wonder how this is going to affect Apple.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Morari on October 05, 2011, 09:08:09 PM
I sure hope this news means that objectivity will return to how devices are rated, how interfaces are criticized, how Apple is viewed by the media, and how computing will progress from here on out.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on October 05, 2011, 09:34:46 PM
I sure hope this news means that objectivity will return to how devices are rated, how interfaces are criticized, how Apple is viewed by the media, and how computing will progress from here on out.
quoted for support
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 05, 2011, 09:40:17 PM
Word. Still it's pretty freaky when stuff like this happens. Charles Schultz died the night before his last Peanuts comic strip was printed, Jobs died the day after the first iPhone that he wasn't involved with* was announced. I wonder if he was on life support for some time and they just pulled the plug as some type of symbolism.
*Technically he was involved since it's the same phone they always release...but that's for another thread.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 05, 2011, 10:12:38 PM
First of all, **** you guys for bringing that into this thread. Second, just because you don't agree with peoples' perceptions doesn't mean they're not objective, if it's even possible to be objective in those areas.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on October 05, 2011, 10:55:04 PM
First of all, **** you guys for bringing that into this thread. Second, just because you don't agree with peoples' perceptions doesn't mean they're not objective, if it's even possible to be objective in those areas.
Steve Jobs crashed into the World Trade Center, killing thousands!
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: AV on October 05, 2011, 10:55:04 PM
:( He was the Thomas Edison of the 21st century and I love his products. I will miss him :( :'( :'( :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 05, 2011, 11:08:16 PM
I can't help but admire your tenacity, Ty. Carry on. But Brandogg and Morari, shut the hell up.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on October 05, 2011, 11:18:48 PM
Looks like an apple a day... didn't keep the doctor away.
(http://i.imgur.com/Xiz0B.jpg)
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 05, 2011, 11:22:24 PM
See that, people? That's how you troll this site. So you can either step up your game or make genuine, helpful posts.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on October 05, 2011, 11:29:44 PM
Steve Jobs made bad computers
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 05, 2011, 11:37:57 PM
Well now you're not even trying. I expect better from you than from the rest of these slobs. You invented trolling this site; you have to be held to a higher standard.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on October 05, 2011, 11:41:13 PM
Whew, I thought you were going to let me get away with this **** forever. It's not even real trolling until you make someone mad!
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 05, 2011, 11:47:18 PM
Hmmm...personal attacks, that's almost as bad as making a political thread. I don't really know what I did that was so bad, but whatever. It doesn't take much to troll a dead guy, I was actually trying to make him more relevant to the current product...but again, whatever.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Khushrenada on October 05, 2011, 11:58:53 PM
Word. Still it's pretty freaky when stuff like this happens. Charles Schultz died the night before his last Peanuts comic strip was printed, Jobs died the day after the first iPhone that he wasn't involved with* was announced. I wonder if he was on life support for some time and they just pulled the plug as some type of symbolism.
*Technically he was involved since it's the same phone they always release...but that's for another thread.
And Jefferson and Adams died on July 4th. More coincidences!
Hmmm...personal attacks, that's almost as bad as making a political thread. I don't really know what I did that was so bad, but whatever. It doesn't take much to troll a dead guy, I was actually trying to make him more relevant to the current product...but again, whatever.
All I'm saying is if you're going to make your bullshit statements that Apple never changes things, don't do it in the "Steve Jobs is Dead" thread.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Morari on October 06, 2011, 12:06:23 AM
Excuse me? You're the one having a little fanboy hissy-fit.
I wasn't trolling, or even being "disrespectful" toward the guy. I made an observation in relation to how exactly Apple will fare without Job's public image looming in the shadows. I don't know what you expect to be discussed here other than Jobs' career. That's all I made mention of. That's all I care about. I didn't know the guy personally. Him dying doesn't matter at all to me. People die all the time. His professional life is all any of us truly care about.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 06, 2011, 12:09:08 AM
I think you're reading a little bit too much into what I said, and acting butt hurt. Maybe I should make a "Steve Jobs is Alive" thread and then we'll be allowed to talk about him and his former company objectively.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: ThePerm on October 06, 2011, 12:52:49 AM
created apple, and made pixar a household name
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Plugabugz on October 06, 2011, 02:52:19 AM
People are still going to refer to Apple as the Church of Jobs.
Because Apple (especially iPod and onwards) is HIS company.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Ceric on October 06, 2011, 09:44:18 AM
I really wouldn't call Steve Jobs the Thomas Jefferson of our day. He wasn't that side of things. What I will say is maybe the Rockefeller of our times.
Jobs was a great negotiator, marketer, had a good knack for telling what people wanted, and , maybe arguably more important, the ability to tell what people didn't care about as much, MMS or 2 button mice anyone.
The man was a force of will though, I'm not to surprised that he is dead. For him to step down as CEO and not have another venture started he must have known that there was a good chance he would be gone soon. Some people have to work. All my dead grandparents where that way. Once they left the workforce there health took a nosedive.
Still a Sad Day and condolences to his family. Though I wonder how this will effect Apple stock next week after the shock is gone.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Morari on October 06, 2011, 09:51:43 AM
By all historical accounts, Wozniak was much more instrumental in delivering the goods. It was his designs that made Apple what it was during its celebrated heyday. The only thing they seemed to later gain from the prodigal CEO, Jobs, was style dictation and marketing.
I think the idea that Jobs could tell what people "didn't want" was perhaps his biggest downfall. He was clearly a very temperamental leader for Apple, and subscribed to a very odd notion of form over function. It shows through very clearly in everything he had a hand in. It made for pretty cases, but at the expensive of bits and pieces of expected usability: see, one-button mouse. The idea that he wanted to control everything through walled gardens like the AppStore should scare the pants off of any well-informed consumer living outside of the reality distortion field.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Ceric on October 06, 2011, 10:01:40 AM
The whole closed Garden thing, while great for stability and the company making the garden, doesn't sit well with me. Ironically enough that's why I tend to back Microsoft who will bend over backwards to allow other people to play in there garden, which effects stability. Linux is to much of a wild field for the most part.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: ejamer on October 06, 2011, 10:19:09 AM
Love him or hate him, the man had amazing charisma and left his stamp on the entire world for years to come. He will be missed by many.
Wouldn't want to be hold Apple stock at the moment. Not that it'll crash or burn, because I fully expect Apple products to continue on their current path even without his involvement... but even if the product isn't affected, marketing and visibility will be. Replacing a global icon like Jobs isn't easy.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Ceric on October 06, 2011, 10:23:21 AM
The Stock market is nothing more then an opinion poll. I fully expect Apple stock to dramatically fall and not get back to this years high till this time next year.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 06, 2011, 02:59:09 PM
I am saddened by his death, but not surprised. I was aware he had pancreatic cancer and almost no one ever survives that, even if you are a billionaire.
If it weren't for him Apple wouldn't exist at all, let alone be the powerhouse that it is today. The same probably goes for Disney as well.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Ian Sane on October 06, 2011, 03:12:08 PM
Upon hearing this news I paused and realized I have actually never owned ANY Apple products whatsoever.
Whenever Jobs was calling the shots at Apple the company was successful and during the time he wasn't it was a complete and utter joke. I wondered where Apple was headed when he stepped down and continue to feel the same way since he can't come back if they make some missteps.
I don't have any particular admiration of the guy. But unless you're a murderer or something horrible like that, dying at 56 is too soon.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 06, 2011, 03:16:50 PM
Excuse me for thinking that a thread about someone's death shouldn't be a platform for bashing his life's work. This isn't about me being an Apple fanboy; it's about respect. If you want to make a thread full pissy statements about how you don't like what Apple does, go ahead and do that, but I don't think it should be a part of this one. But since I appear to be in the minority on that...
By all historical accounts, Wozniak was much more instrumental in delivering the goods. It was his designs that made Apple what it was during its celebrated heyday. The only thing they seemed to later gain from the prodigal CEO, Jobs, was style dictation and marketing.
I think the idea that Jobs could tell what people "didn't want" was perhaps his biggest downfall. He was clearly a very temperamental leader for Apple, and subscribed to a very odd notion of form over function. It shows through very clearly in everything he had a hand in. It made for pretty cases, but at the expensive of bits and pieces of expected usability: see, one-button mouse. The idea that he wanted to control everything through walled gardens like the AppStore should scare the pants off of any well-informed consumer living outside of the reality distortion field.
This whole "form over function" accusation is emblematic of people not being familiar enough with Apple's products. Just because he cared about the form doesn't make it form over function. Mac OS X is a very powerful platform with a lot of complex functionality if you want it to be, or it's simple and easy if you want it that way. Also, there is no "walled garden" on the Mac. Yes, there's an App Store there now, which is fantastic, but you also have the option of going outside it. Most people won't want to, but it is there.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Oblivion on October 06, 2011, 03:40:25 PM
How did I know this thread would turn into it's current state? Thanks Morari.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Morari on October 06, 2011, 05:15:00 PM
You're quite welcome, Oblivion. Admiration where admiration is due.
Maybe we can start a thread about every single person who dies throughout the world each day. Of course, the thread will only be for posting trite statements like "my condolences to the family, rest in peace" instead of an actual discussion of just why anyone should even care whether that person did or did not live to begin with. Apple fanboys get their panties in a twist if you begin to question their product loyalty, however. As evidenced by the outright hostile attitude of a certain someone above.
If no one wanted a discussion, then this thread shouldn't have even been created. There are news sites for such passive exchanges of information.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Ian Sane on October 06, 2011, 05:50:26 PM
Apple products are a lot like Nintendo's actually in that for very specific needs they work like a million bucks but if you need something just slightly different the whole thing is so inflexible that it's useless to you. Nintendo however is a just a videogame company so the inflexibility isn't as much of a deal breaker for me. With Apple it was.
But you can say that Steve Jobs knew exactly what his target market wanted. Those who like Apple products REALLY like them.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 06, 2011, 06:08:37 PM
Steve Jobs was the computer world's equivalent of Nintendo's Gunpei Yokoi. He did for portable music and computing what Gunpei did for portable gaming. Unfortunately, both these great men are now dead, but their innovations will live on forever.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 06, 2011, 06:33:44 PM
Steve Jobs was the computer world's equivalent of Nintendo's Gunpei Yokoi. He did for portable music and computing what Gunpei did for portable gaming. Unfortunately, both these great men are now dead, but their innovations will live on forever.
Actually, I'd say Wozniak was more like Yokoi than Jobs was. Jobs certainly had a lot of similarities with (Former Nintendo President) Hiroshi Yamauchi, though.
You're quite welcome, Oblivion. Admiration where admiration is due.
Maybe we can start a thread about every single person who dies throughout the world each day. Of course, the thread will only be for posting trite statements like "my condolences to the family, rest in peace" instead of an actual discussion of just why anyone should even care whether that person did or did not live to begin with. Apple fanboys get their panties in a twist if you begin to question their product loyalty, however. As evidenced by the outright hostile attitude of a certain someone above.
If no one wanted a discussion, then this thread shouldn't have even been created. There are news sites for such passive exchanges of information.
Personally, I don't think this thread should have been made. It doesn't break any rules, and since this isn't the Funhouse I'm not going to unilaterally abuse the hell out of my mod powers, so it's going to stay here, but I don't think this is the kind of thing we should be doing. As I said, this has nothing to do with my being an Apple fanboy (which I totally am), I would be upset at the situation no matter which dead person the thread was about. I basically agree with you that there isn't much to talk about besides that, which is exactly why I don't think threads like these are a good idea in the first place.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 06, 2011, 09:47:10 PM
BNM those images are pretty great. I silently predicted that Apple will be bankrupt within 5 years or so back when Jobs stepped down as CEO...and I still think it will happen. Either that or the whole closed-structure system that they have going on will be drastically changed and they'll basically become a 3rd party vendor like Sega.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Morari on October 06, 2011, 10:06:15 PM
Do they really have enough to offer as a third party though? They'd have to restructure and innovate in spaces where they really don't have much of a presence outside of their own ecosystems. Even then, they've been driving certain customers away in what can only be explained as an attempt to broaden appeal. See: professional video editors.
They could always go back to the old days of allowing and authorizing Mac clones now that Jobs isn't around. If they were at all serious about succeeding in the OS business, they wouldn't keep themselves lock to one set of hardware.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 06, 2011, 10:08:09 PM
That's not going to happen. Steve Jobs was very important to Apple, but there are a lot of other very talented people at the company. They'll be just fine. Tim Cook may not have the charisma of Steve Jobs (not even close, though really no one is), but he is more than capable of being a really good CEO.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Adrock on October 06, 2011, 10:23:24 PM
They could always go back to the old days of allowing and authorizing Mac clones now that Jobs isn't around. If they were at all serious about succeeding in the OS business, they wouldn't keep themselves lock to one set of hardware.
Apple would never do this. That would be like Nintendo releasing all of their games on other consoles and still trying to sell a console of their own. In both cases, it's eats into the company's bottom line. Despite having such a small cut of the market, Apple is still profitable. I see no reason why they would simply throw all of that away to reintroduce a business model that didn't work for them to begin with.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Dasmos on October 06, 2011, 10:36:22 PM
RIP Steve Jerbs, it's never good to see someone die of pancreatic cancer.
But then again I think we always knew the PC would get him eventually.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 06, 2011, 10:44:41 PM
They could always go back to the old days of allowing and authorizing Mac clones now that Jobs isn't around. If they were at all serious about succeeding in the OS business, they wouldn't keep themselves lock to one set of hardware.
Apple would never do this. That would be like Nintendo releasing all of their games on other consoles and still trying to sell a console of their own. In both cases, it's eats into the company's bottom line. Despite having such a small cut of the market, Apple is still profitable. I see no reason why they would simply throw all of that away to reintroduce a business model that didn't work for them to begin with.
Apple is primarily a hardware company. Everything else they do is done to make the hardware more attractive. They may have revolutionized the music business with iTunes, but they only started doing that in order to sell more iPods. They make their money on the hardware side, which is why Steve killed third-party licensing for the operating system pretty much immediately when he took over in 1997.
RIP Steve Jerbs, it's never good to see someone die of pancreatic cancer.
But then again I think we always knew the PC would get him eventually.
We all figured that was why he left the company, but it's surprising how soon this was after that. He really held on to the last possible second.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Ceric on October 06, 2011, 11:19:25 PM
If Apple froze there product lineup right now. They could probably still go another 10 years. Will they do that? No. Do I think that they will slow down a little? Yes, at first. Apple flopped around pretty bad after Job was gone the first time and survived for him to come back. They are in a much much better position then at that time. With much better people.
As Insanolord said Apple is a Hardware seller. Microsoft by comparison is not. Thats why MS sells Software on Apple products.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 07, 2011, 12:02:41 AM
Suggesting Apple is going to go bankrupt within 5 years now that Jobs is gone is kinda like suggesting Nintendo was going to go bankrupt back when Hiroshi Yamauchi stepped down. Clearly that didn't happen. Right now both Apple and Nintendo have so much money and momentum that even if a total imbecile were in charge of the company it couldn't be destroyed in a mere 5 year timeframe. That's not to say it couldn't go downhill in that period of time, though.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 07, 2011, 05:26:10 AM
Suggesting Apple is going to go bankrupt within 5 years now that Jobs is gone is kinda like suggesting Nintendo was going to go bankrupt back when Hiroshi Yamauchi stepped down.
This right here. I've said there are several similarities between Jobs and Yamauchi, and this is one of them. They were both very strong leaders and both exercised a lot of control, and Tim Cook, like Satoru Iwata, is nothing like his predecessor, but both those men were hand picked as successors and wouldn't have been if Yamauchi or Jobs didn't have a lot of confidence in them
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Ceric on October 07, 2011, 08:00:39 AM
Though Iwata does have the luxury of Yamauchi not being dead and he is still the majority stake holder if memory serves.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Morari on October 07, 2011, 11:05:11 AM
As Insanolord said Apple is a Hardware seller. Microsoft by comparison is not. Thats why MS sells Software on Apple products.
You'er right, I've never had the displeasure of seeing some buggy-ass version of iTunes or Safari on a Windows PC. :P
MS sells its software across the board because it's a smart decision. It allows for the largest possible install base for anything else they put out down the road. Apple has been shooting itself in the foot by forcing their OS to flounder while selling gadgets left and right. Apple seems to think that their elite image is worth it, and they might be right. They would have to put a lot more work into functionality and innovation if they tried to compete on an even playing field with everyone else in the industry. It's hard to get that "cool factor" when you're just as prolific as everyone else.
Vendor lock is bad for the consumer, mmkay?
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Ceric on October 07, 2011, 11:23:24 AM
iTunes was for iPods and then when music turned profitable. I honestly don't know what they were thinking with Safari.
Though notice that there productivity software doesn't migrate off of their platforms. Which many people seem to prefer.
Quicktime would be the biggest example of an Apple product on PC in my mind though.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on October 07, 2011, 11:44:01 AM
MS sells its software across the board because it's a smart decision. It allows for the largest possible install base for anything else they put out down the road. Apple has been shooting itself in the foot by forcing their OS to flounder while selling gadgets left and right.
Hey at least I know I can install Windows now in case I accidentally buy a Mac
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 07, 2011, 01:54:14 PM
LOL http://i.imgur.com/0Vv1j.jpg
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Morari on October 07, 2011, 08:39:38 PM
Quicktime would be the biggest example of an Apple product on PC in my mind though.
Not exactly a shinning example, now is it? :P
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 08, 2011, 01:40:54 PM
Safari is on Windows because of Mobile Safari, as a way of letting web developers test compatibility with the iPhone and iPad browser. Now that the iDevices are ubiquitous it's not an issue to find one to test on directly, but early on this was Apple's solution.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Stogi on October 11, 2011, 02:31:21 PM
Steve Jobs is amazing because he was at one time an employee who was fired. People didn't recognize his talents until it was too late and he changed the face of the world and the future to come.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: ThePerm on October 12, 2011, 04:24:32 AM
was it last year or the year before all the celebrity death threads got bumped?
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Adrock on October 12, 2011, 11:05:46 AM
Sony just got the rights to make a film based on Steve Jobs' biography. I nominate Joseph Gordon-Levitt to play Jobs. He's a great actor and has already played a charismatic leader in a cinematic classic, Cobra Commander in G.I. Joe. I hope they somehow include a scene about the MobileMe meeting.
Jobs: Can anyone tell me what MobileMe is supposed to do? MobileMe team member: Well, uh, it's a-a-a a subscription based collection of web services where uh, users can access their um, personal data from any Apple device with [clears throat] internet access. Jobs: So why the **** doesn't it do that? You have tarnished Apple's reputation! You should all hate each other for letting each other down!
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Stogi on October 12, 2011, 11:51:19 AM
Haha how awesome would it be if they picked Sean Bean?
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on October 12, 2011, 01:06:56 PM
I hope carving a huge apple logo on the moon with a doomsday laser is a major plot point
Title: Re: Steve Jobs: 1955-2011
Post by: Ceric on October 12, 2011, 02:46:28 PM
Sony just got the rights to make a film based on Steve Jobs' biography. I nominate Joseph Gordon-Levitt to play Jobs. He's a great actor and has already played a charismatic leader in a cinematic classic, Cobra Commander in G.I. Joe. I hope they somehow include a scene about the MobileMe meeting.
Jobs: Can anyone tell me what MobileMe is supposed to do? MobileMe team member: Well, uh, it's a-a-a a subscription based collection of web services where uh, users can access their um, personal data from any Apple device with [clears throat] internet access. Jobs: So why the **** doesn't it do that? You have tarnished Apple's reputation! You should all hate each other for letting each other down!
I always imagined that last line would be:
Jobs: So why the **** doesn't it do that? You have tarnished Apple's reputation! Everyone line up for your floggings on the way out of my sight and have your family here on Tuesday for their floggings for your shame. Now Leave me.
