Tim Cook named successor; Jobs stays as Chairman to the Board.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: ShyGuy on August 24, 2011, 08:35:25 PM
That liver stealing limousine-hippy.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Morari on August 24, 2011, 08:36:09 PM
Are turtlenecks now out of style too? And what will become of Apple's reality distortion field? Can they keep selling junk hardware at a premium without the great Prophet Jobs?
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2011, 08:36:52 PM
"Apple corporation joins millions of recession-era Americans suddenly finding themselves without Jobs." XD
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Shaymin on August 24, 2011, 08:37:13 PM
iMac iPod iPhone iPad iQuit
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: ThePerm on August 24, 2011, 08:44:21 PM
Its really funny, that in recent weeks they have been the biggest corporation, but before Jobs returned to the company the talk was how everyone thought the company would go out of business.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 24, 2011, 10:18:58 PM
He's scared of the Droid Bionic and Droid HD...and he has terminal cancer or something too.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2011, 05:02:56 PM
No one can truly replace Steve Jobs; I don't know that anyone's ever been so good at so many aspects of running a major company. Even if you don't like him or Apple, you have to respect what he was able to do with the company, going from the verge of bankruptcy to (by some measures) the most valuable company on the planet. He was a great visionary and a great salesman.
That said, he wasn't the only person doing great things at the company. He put a great group of people in place at Apple, and they'll do a good job of running it. Tim Cook isn't Steve Jobs, but he's a fine CEO in his own right. Some are saying this is the end of Apple, but most of them have been saying that on a regular basis for a while. It wasn't true then, and it's not true now.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Stogi on August 25, 2011, 05:22:23 PM
I'm mostly wondering if Apple can continue to innovate. Like, what was Jobs's next ground-breaking product?
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Ceric on August 25, 2011, 05:23:38 PM
I'm mostly wondering if Apple can continue to innovate. Like, what was Jobs's next ground-breaking product?
I wouldn't say they have really been innovating for a while now. Iterating maybe.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Oblivion on August 25, 2011, 05:30:50 PM
Hm...let's see. First the computer, then the music player, then the phone, then the tablet computer. Next: an actual Apple HDTV? Or perhaps an Apple alarm clock? Or Apple Fridge? Or an Apple apple?
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2011, 05:45:57 PM
An Apple HDTV has been rumored for a while, but I think the closest they'll come to that is the HDMI-in port on the 30" iMac. And Ceric, you don't think the iPad was innovative? You may not like it personally, but Apple essentially created a new market out of nothing.
Jobs stepped down as CEO, but he was then immediately voted in as Chairman of the Board of Directors, so at least for the time being he is still involved in high-level decision making at the company.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: King of Twitch on August 25, 2011, 05:58:15 PM
Hm...let's see. First the computer, then the music player, then the phone, then the tablet computer. Next: an actual Apple HDTV? Or perhaps an Apple alarm clock? Or Apple Fridge? Or an Apple apple?
How about a refrigerator that doesn't let you carry your food to other people's refrigerators
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Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 25, 2011, 06:17:14 PM
And Ceric, you don't think the iPad was innovative?
Tablets had been around in some form or another for years prior to the iPad. Prior products not withstanding, the actual idea has been floating about since 2001: A Space Odyssey and Star Trek: The Next Generation. All Apples did was "simplify" it and make it shiny, while giving all the iPhone fanboys a semi-familiar interface.
The only thing Apple has ever proven it can do well is marketing.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Oblivion on August 25, 2011, 06:58:39 PM
If I remember correctly, the only people who found Tablets useful before the iPad were digital artists.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Morari on August 25, 2011, 07:02:28 PM
It could be argued that not many people find tablets all that useful now either. :P
I've never known any artists to use a tablet PC. Of course, there have been Wacom-type pads and such... but that's not quite the same. That said, tablets were always very popular with doctors. There are a few offices just around here that have been using tablet for years to do everything from bringing up patient history, to filling out prescriptions. I suppose it makes it easier on the doctor to be able to carry all the needed info around like that.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 25, 2011, 07:02:59 PM
the actual idea has been floating about since 2001: A Space Odyssey
Samsung is even using this in their lawsuit defense against Apple in Europe. Apple claims Samsung copied the iPad design with the Tab 10.1, but Samsung says Apple didn't come up with the design because they got the look from that movie.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Morari on August 25, 2011, 07:04:09 PM
That's pretty funny, actually! XD
2001 is a great film (and book). Kubrick really outdid himself on that one.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2011, 08:58:26 PM
You don't have to do something first to innovate. Apple was the first to do it well, and the first to do it successfully. Apple makes great products that do have some limitations, which will bother some people more than others.
If you really want to tweak hardware or get hardcore into PC gaming, as I'm sure you do Morari, Macs are never going to appeal to you. As someone who doesn't care about hardware customization beyond the hard drive and RAM that I've already upgraded on my MacBook Pro, and games primarily on consoles, they're great for me. Different things are good for different people, and for most it will boil down to personal preference.
I've long since given up on evangelizing, and I understand and respect that different platforms are going to appeal to different people. I ask that you do the same.
Also, they're both great, but Arthur C. Clarke's novel of 2001 > Kubrick's movie.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Oblivion on August 25, 2011, 09:12:22 PM
Also, if you're into web design and movie making, Apple computers are indispensable.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Ceric on August 25, 2011, 09:16:58 PM
An Apple HDTV has been rumored for a while, but I think the closest they'll come to that is the HDMI-in port on the 30" iMac. And Ceric, you don't think the iPad was innovative? You may not like it personally, but Apple essentially created a new market out of nothing.
Jobs stepped down as CEO, but he was then immediately voted in as Chairman of the Board of Directors, so at least for the time being he is still involved in high-level decision making at the company.
I do not find the iPad innovated. I find it to be the next logical step from the iPod/iPhone
That style of tablet computer has been around for a while. It essentially is a bigger iPod/iPhone. I think it was finally the right time in the market for this and I think that Apple marketed it well and capitalized on there momentum well but, I do not think its innovative.
Do I think the iPhone was innovative? Yes, simply because of the App Store mostly.
Macbook Air, I think was a triumph and was innovative at the time. Superdisk, yes.
I think Thunderbolt has the potential.
The iPad I do not. The most innovative thing for the iPad in my mind is the cover for the new one that is slick.
I own a Mac. Have no problem using them.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2011, 09:19:32 PM
This whole thing reminds me of like seven years ago, when I was on the GameFAQs DS board and there were constant arguments about whether the DS was innovative. That's not a compliment to this thread.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 25, 2011, 09:26:22 PM
The iPad is hardly innovative, by all accounts and measures, it is just a giant iPod Touch/iPhine without a dedicated phone. You can say they innovated with the iPod Touch/iPhone, but the iPad is just an extension of those things. It doesn't do anything thst can't be done on either if the other devices. Most if the stuff that Apple does with their iproducts is just a giant compliation of technologies and services that have existed for years on other products made by other manufacturers, they just take the ideas that they want and package them together. Tablets have been around for years, Hell, Android tablets have been around much longer than the iPad. Video chat has been on cell phones for many years before they out a front camera on the iPhone. Touch screen phones have been available for years, Apple just dumbed them down, which I will admit, was innovative. Touch screennohones were not very mainstream until there was an app to make fart noises and make boobs look bigger.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Ceric on August 25, 2011, 09:36:03 PM
The DS with its dual screens and touch capability I can easily argue as innovative but, the 3DS, I may really like it but I would have to say its iterative.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2011, 09:40:32 PM
The iPad is innovative because instead of trying to shrink a PC down into a tablet it tried to beef a smartphone up into a tablet. The former never caught on; the latter is selling millions and millions of units.
And actually, at least according to Apple, the iPad concept predates the iPhone concept in terms of when Apple came up with them, for whatever that's worth. The iPhone/iTouch is a smaller iPad, not the other way around.
The DS with its dual screens and touch capability I can easily argue as innovative but, the 3DS, I may really like it but I would have to say its iterative.
The argument against it at the time was that lots of things had touch screens, and even Nintendo themselves had used multiple screens before.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Morari on August 25, 2011, 09:50:11 PM
If you really want to tweak hardware or get hardcore into PC gaming, as I'm sure you do Morari, Macs are never going to appeal to you. As someone who doesn't care about hardware customization beyond the hard drive and RAM that I've already upgraded on my MacBook Pro, and games primarily on consoles, they're great for me. Different things are good for different people, and for most it will boil down to personal preference.
Not trying to start a flame-war, but why would you want to pay more for something that can do less? I don't understand that, at all and it's true for just about every market Apple gets into. The only thing I can chalk their infrequent success up to is marketing. They put form above function and specifically appeal to a demographic that thinks of itself as hip, trendy, and better. If an Apple product does what you need it to do, I suppose that's great. Still, I can't help but wonder why you wouldn't buy a competing product that does the same thing (and more) for a much lower price. Are smooth, glossy finishes really enough of a merit? :P
The iPad is innovative because instead of trying to shrink a PC down into a tablet it tried to beef a smartphone up into a tablet. The former never caught on; the latter is selling millions and millions of units.
The big difference being a limited GUI and marketing. ;)
Also, if you're into web design and movie making, Apple computers are indispensable.
I do both, almost daily. I can't imagine switching over to a Mac for those tasks. The same great tools are still there, but many are lagging behind on MacOS. As for Apple's proprietary software... it's good for entry level stuff, but not much beyond that.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Oblivion on August 25, 2011, 09:55:38 PM
To each their own, I guess. I love iMovie.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Morari on August 25, 2011, 09:56:08 PM
But that's just entry level stuff. You wouldn't want to use it for anything other than home videos. You don't really start to get most of the features truly needed until you move up to Final Cut Pro. Even then, the new version is pretty busted. :(
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2011, 10:01:11 PM
If you really want to tweak hardware or get hardcore into PC gaming, as I'm sure you do Morari, Macs are never going to appeal to you. As someone who doesn't care about hardware customization beyond the hard drive and RAM that I've already upgraded on my MacBook Pro, and games primarily on consoles, they're great for me. Different things are good for different people, and for most it will boil down to personal preference.
Not trying to start a flame-war, but why would you want to pay more for something that can do less? I don't understand that, at all and it's true for just about every market Apple gets into. The only thing I can chalk their infrequent success up to is marketing. They put form above function and specifically appeal to a demographic that thinks of itself as hip, trendy, and better. If an Apple product does what you need it to do, I suppose that's great. Still, I can't help but wonder why you wouldn't buy a competing product that does the same thing (and more) for a much lower price. Are smooth, glossy finishes really enough of a merit? :P:
Honestly, the aesthetic of the hardware is meaningless to me. I mean, it's cool to have, but that doesn't factor into it.
I like OS X better than I like Windows. That's about it, really. And the price difference isn't that much. I haven't done it recently, but I've gone through PC manufacturers' sites and tweaked out the machine that I'd buy and it was about the same as what I generally pay for a Mac.
I could probably build a machine myself for significantly less, but I have no desire to do that, and I prefer notebooks anyway.
The iPad is innovative because instead of trying to shrink a PC down into a tablet it tried to beef a smartphone up into a tablet. The former never caught on; the latter is selling millions and millions of units.
The big difference being a limited GUI and marketing. ;)
Limiting the GUI is the right thing to do given the touch interface. And Apple always builds the core of the product first and then expands it with every revision. Look at the original iPhone OS and then look at the upcoming iOS 5: there's a huge jump in terms of functionality
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 25, 2011, 10:57:09 PM
It's the same thing they've been putting out since the first iPhone, only now it has actual notifications and widgets...just like Android (and Windows Mobile had years ago)! Hooray for innovation!
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 25, 2011, 11:10:10 PM
And most of the rumored new features in iOS 5 are stuff Android already has.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Oblivion on August 25, 2011, 11:24:48 PM
So, the first iPhone had the retina display?
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: noname2200 on August 26, 2011, 12:09:44 AM
Not trying to start a flame-war, but why would you want to pay more for something that can do less?
Let me start with my bona fides. I strongly dislike Apple. I think their products are overpriced, underdelivering wastes of, well, everything. Every time I drive through Cupertino, parts of my skin start to crawl. I can stomach religious evangelists, but I can barely restrain myself from throttling Apple evangelists. When I saw Jobs' face "gracing" most of today's front page, I was tempted to save some toilet paper that morning. Skin crawling aside, none of this is exaggeration.
That said, I have to concede that Apple's success is due to far more than just "marketing." They make a product that might be overpriced, it might be underpowered, it might be extremely and deliberately limited in its capabilities, but of all the tech companies Apple alone seems to have realized that the vast majority of people are willing to sacrifice all those things to get something that's reallyeasy to use compared to their competitors.
Give the devil his dues and all.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: ThePerm on August 26, 2011, 06:50:15 AM
the ipad was just big, which made it a better PDA then your PDA, i have an OLD Palm pilot that does about the same thing except music. That being said Palm was founded by former Apple Employees though.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 26, 2011, 08:16:32 AM
iOS =/= retina display, which is a stupid name anyway because it's called qHD on any other device. Of course they'd eventually bump up the resolution (after 3 initial revisions, mind you), just like every manufacturer has done. In all honesty I think the whole retina display thing is a joke, you can just decrease pixel density on any 800x480 (or 640x480 since the iPhone is not a widescreen display) and it will look the same, especially on such a small screen. My friend's Sensation has a 4.3" screen with 960x540px and it really doesn't look any different than my Thunderbolt's 800x480px display if I lower the density. Until 5" screens are a standard it really doesn't make a noticeable difference unless you hold your phone like 3 inches from your face all the time.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2011, 08:50:19 AM
It's the same thing they've been putting out since the first iPhone, only now it has actual notifications and widgets...just like Android (and Windows Mobile had years ago)! Hooray for innovation!
You obviously don't spend much time with the platform. As someone who has used an iPhone extensively since iOS 2, let me assure you that there are a lot of improvements with each new release. Visually and from a general UI perspective it's pretty much the same, but it does a lot more and works a lot better than it did back then, as it should. Yeah, sometimes they take longer than they probably should to implement things (multitasking, non-shitty notifications), but you can't argue the OS hasn't consistently and significantly improved over the years.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2011, 08:56:57 AM
Let me start with my bona fides. I strongly dislike Apple. I think their products are overpriced, underdelivering wastes of, well, everything. Every time I drive through Cupertino, parts of my skin start to crawl. I can stomach religious evangelists, but I can barely restrain myself from throttling Apple evangelists. When I saw Jobs' face "gracing" most of today's front page, I was tempted to save some toilet paper that morning. Skin crawling aside, none of this is exaggeration.
This, to me, is just pathetic. Not because it's anti-Apple; I feel the same way about Apple fans who look at Microsoft or Android this way. It's even stupider than the already stupid and juvenile game console wars, because at least there there are significant differences between the platforms. There isn't that much of a difference between OS X and Windows, or between iOS and Android. It's almost all about personal preference, but some people have their priorities screwed up enough to feel this irrationally strongly about it.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 26, 2011, 09:37:12 AM
I spend all day, everyndsy, working on and with iPhones. There have been minimal upgrades over the years, they are just always so far behind the competition, but they have such a loyal fanbase of soccer moms that have no idea what they are missing out on, and have been missing out on since the beginning. It took them over 2 years to get picture messaging for God's sake, that's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2011, 10:24:42 AM
I think it's clear we're just going to have to disagree on the point of the significance of the updates. However, how exactly is the iPhone "so far behind the competition" at this point? I'll admit there was a time when that was true, but what is it missing now, excepting the announced improvements in iOS 5, that is such a huge deal?
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Ceric on August 26, 2011, 10:49:57 AM
Live Tiles :D
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: noname2200 on August 26, 2011, 10:50:56 AM
It's crystal-clear that you've never had to be on the preaching end of the Apple Evangelist Movement. In fact, I believe you said you used to be one yourself. Those of us who haven't have a much different experience. I don't much care what bit of hardware anyone's rocking. I very much care that someone's preference has been shoved in my face for the past decade or so. Now multiply that severalfold, since a lot of the techies here are quite passionate on the subject...
It gets old. Fast.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2011, 10:59:53 AM
I get that. I can't stand those people much more than you can, which is why I tend to stay away from Apple-focused forums and whatnot. I'm just saying you (and everyone else) need to take a step back and reevaluate that level of passion. People take this kind of thing way too seriously.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: noname2200 on August 26, 2011, 11:02:40 AM
I get that. I can't stand those people much more than you can, which is why I tend to stay away from Apple-focused forums and whatnot. I'm just saying you (and everyone else) need to take a step back and reevaluate that level of passion. People take this kind of thing way too seriously.
Heh, actually I think you're right. But getting something that's stuck that deep down my craw takes time!
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Oblivion on August 26, 2011, 11:15:00 AM
My science teacher is most totally an Apple fanboy. He even admits he. He takes no shame in it. The school bought him a Macbook Pro (or whatever it's called) and he owns an iPad 2 (which he regularly uses for our class), and he owns an iPhone 3GS (which again, he uses on a daily basis for our class). Heck, when we had to learn about presentations and using a slideshow correctly and efficiently, he showed us a youtube video of the original iPhone announcement.
The worst thing is is that he looks a little bit like Steve Jobs.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Ceric on August 26, 2011, 11:19:39 AM
My science teacher is most totally an Apple fanboy. He even admits he. He takes no shame in it. The school bought him a Macbook Pro (or whatever it's called) and he owns an iPad 2 (which he regularly uses for our class), and he owns an iPhone 3GS (which again, he uses on a daily basis for our class). Heck, when we had to learn about presentations and using a slideshow correctly and efficiently, he showed us a youtube video of the original iPhone announcement.
The worst thing is is that he looks a little bit like Steve Jobs.
Failed Steve Jobs clone.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Oblivion on August 26, 2011, 11:21:43 AM
He's truly a nice guy though and never flips out when someone disagrees with Apple or Steve Jobs. So I guess he isn't that bad.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Ceric on August 26, 2011, 11:22:41 AM
My science teacher is most totally an Apple fanboy. He even admits he. He takes no shame in it. The school bought him a Macbook Pro (or whatever it's called) and he owns an iPad 2 (which he regularly uses for our class), and he owns an iPhone 3GS (which again, he uses on a daily basis for our class). Heck, when we had to learn about presentations and using a slideshow correctly and efficiently, he showed us a youtube video of the original iPhone announcement.
Kids learn about presentations and slide shows in science class now?
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Oblivion on August 26, 2011, 03:01:39 PM
My science teacher is most totally an Apple fanboy. He even admits he. He takes no shame in it. The school bought him a Macbook Pro (or whatever it's called) and he owns an iPad 2 (which he regularly uses for our class), and he owns an iPhone 3GS (which again, he uses on a daily basis for our class). Heck, when we had to learn about presentations and using a slideshow correctly and efficiently, he showed us a youtube video of the original iPhone announcement.
Kids learn about presentations and slide shows in science class now?
Not really. I meant more about how to PRESENT a presentation. To look professional...so you aren't just saying um half the time. So that you aren't looking at your alide show the entire time.
Believe it or not, kids these days suck at that kind of thing. Making the presentations are easy. We don't need to be taught that.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Ceric on August 26, 2011, 03:03:06 PM
... Believe it or not, kids these days suck at that kind of thing. Making the presentations are easy. We don't need to be taught that.
Its not just kids.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Oblivion on August 26, 2011, 03:04:19 PM
Really? That's lame.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple
Post by: Ceric on August 26, 2011, 03:14:01 PM
Yep, Thats why Toastmasters (http://www.toastmasters.org/) is around. Which I have heard great things about and encourage people to participate. I keep missing it.
