Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Kytim89 on July 16, 2011, 01:59:31 PM
Title: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Kytim89 on July 16, 2011, 01:59:31 PM
Back at E3 the WiiU was revealed and the screened tablet controller for the system was unveiled to the world. However, in demonstration videos it showed gamers playing with the Wiimote, nunchuck and Classic Controller. As a gamer myself, I sense conspiracy. A conspiracy that Nintendo inteds to have a new motion controller available for the WiiU.
There are some pros and cons to this theory. First, Nintendo has made bank off of their controllers and accessories, so the incentive to make more money off more advanced versions of what they already have right now. However, a new motion controller might poison the water for the Umote, so Nintendo might be less inclined to manufacture a new controller.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 16, 2011, 02:05:09 PM
I feel my eye twitching after reading this post with so many typos (I can imagine what a English major would say).
Anyways, there has been no indication that Nintendo will release a new Wii Remote. I am not sure what they could do anyways.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: stevey on July 16, 2011, 03:08:06 PM
No. Non-gamers will never accept the upgrade if their balance boards/wii-motes/nunchucks/classics need to be replaced by identical controllers. Plus, it too much like Sony's style for Nintendo to ever go with it...
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Kytim89 on July 16, 2011, 03:32:13 PM
No. Non-gamers will never accept the upgrade if their balance boards/wii-motes/nunchucks/classics need to be replaced by identical controllers. Plus, it too much like Sony's style for Nintendo to ever go with it...
Nintendo still has the potential to improve the controller. For example, the Wiimote 2.0 could have a built-in recharchagle battery and wireless nunchcuck. Also, a wireless and rechargable CC Pro would go a long way in attracting any hardcore gamers that may shrug off the Umote. Nintendo is a business, so it makes sense that they would try and sell as much new stuff and attract new customers as they can and get money.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: stevey on July 16, 2011, 04:15:12 PM
Too bad Nintendo isn't a monopoly and can't get away with that ****.... (I already have rechargeables in my wiimote, the wired nunchuck design is perfectly fine, and the TouchU controller already servers as a wireless&rechargeable CC Pro+)
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Adrock on July 16, 2011, 04:32:01 PM
Rechargeable batteries and making the nunchuck wireless are obvious upgrades. If Nintendo is going to allow peripheral backwards compatibility for casual gamers, the Wii U Remote/Nunchuck should be geared toward core gamers, all the functionality of the Wii Remote Plus (with a gyroscope in the wireless nunchuck) coupled with all of the buttons on the Classic Controller. That effectively removes the need for the classic controller and still allows for backwards compatibility with Wii games.
If Nintendo is serious about appealing to core gamers and 3rd parties who release games mainly to that audience and Wii U cannot support more than a single tablet controller, the Wii U Remote/Nunchuck essentially becomes the console's primary controller. Developers will program multiplayer games with that controller in mind since it should also come with the console and likely every single player mode will be programed with an option to use the Wii U Remote/Nunhuck in addition to the tablet controller, even Nintendo's 1st party titles. In that case, the Wii U Remote/Nunchuck MUST be able to handle traditional controls competently because Nintendo tried asking 3rd parties to support the classic controller (and even the Gamecube controller) and were met with a big "F YOU." Everyone knew the Wii Remote/Nunchuck combo was the console's primary controller and the Classic Controller was deemed extra. Nintendo should NOT assume people are willing to buy additional peripherals. 3rd parties certainly were not willing to take that chance.
Worse case scenario: Nintendo is content with the tablet controller being the "traditional controller" and expects people to buy and 3rd parties to support the Classic Controller for local multiplayer (which also lacks rumble). To me, this would be a major facepalm and an unofficial admission that Nintendo just doesn't and will never "get it." Unless Wii U can support at least 2 tablet controllers, the tablet controller is largely a single player controller or a party game side controller though online multiplayer is still an option. That just seems needlessly messy and makes it a bit more difficult to justify supporting the console.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: nickmitch on July 16, 2011, 05:45:24 PM
I could see Nintendo putting out a wireless classic controller pro +. They'd probably do it to justify not having more than maybe 2 uPads to a system. Besides, no one likes having a WiiMote in their lap, and something more WaveBirdy would be great for Smash Bros.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Adrock on July 16, 2011, 06:33:22 PM
I could see them doing that too. However, it's important to preserve motion controls and it works differently on a separated controller. The point is to have the best of both worlds. I think developers would be more likely to experiment with motion controls if the controller still had all of the buttons they're used to having access to. One might argue that they wouldn't bother with motion controls at that point, but I disagree. Motion controls would be seen as a viable alternative, an additional function rather than a replacement to pressing a button. We wouldn't see it shoehorned into games like we often do on the Wii (i.e. flicking the remote to roll in DKCR). Motion controls would be when appropriate (i.e. the entirety of Metroid Prime 3).
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Kytim89 on July 16, 2011, 06:48:04 PM
I could see them doing that too. However, it's important to preserve motion controls and it works differently on a separated controller. The point is to have the best of both worlds. I think developers would be more likely to experiment with motion controls if the controller still had all of the buttons they're used to having access to. One might argue that they wouldn't bother with motion controls at that point, but I disagree. Motion controls would be seen as a viable alternative, an additional function rather than a replacement to pressing a button. We wouldn't see it shoehorned into games like we often do on the Wii (i.e. flicking the remote to roll in DKCR). Motion controls would be when appropriate (i.e. the entirety of Metroid Prime 3).
The game Aliens: Colonial Marines comes to mind. I would love to handle that game with a Wiimote 2.0 that has Move style controls and use the tablet controller as a motion traker similar to the one found in the movie. In fact, if there was a new motion controller and CC ro available for the Wii U then I would be more inclined to buy the system at launch.
Let's face it, not all games are made for motion control, and not all games will be a perfect fit for the tablet controller, but accomodating every play style would be a good idea.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Ceric on July 16, 2011, 06:59:34 PM
I be very surprised if you don't see a WiiU branded done at the very least with some coloring differences. That might be the extent of it.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Kytim89 on July 16, 2011, 07:04:28 PM
I be very surprised if you don't see a WiiU branded done at the very least with some coloring differences. That might be the extent of it.
I could see the Wiimote 2.0 having an an improved speaker and four buttons instead of two in a similar manner to the SNES controller.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: ThePerm on July 16, 2011, 11:14:22 PM
i dont evern have a wii-mote with, id imagine they will include 1 wii mote, 1 u mote just to keep controller adoptability high. The Nunchuck was an after-thought, and im pretty sure Retro said.."throw a wii mote in too", just like they said "yeah nunchuck folks"
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 18, 2011, 02:17:20 AM
I don't think there's much you could do to improve upon the Remote+ that wouldn't break compatibility with legacy hardware. You certainly can't add buttons or anything like that.
This being Nintendo, it feels like some kind of GameCube VC-style money grab is inevitable, and to facilitate that they'd probably want to release a Classic Controller more in line with the (in my opinion, fantastic) GameCube layout. They could redesign games to work with newer controllers, but I'm sure they'd much rather get all of us to pay for a fix ourselves.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 18, 2011, 02:19:45 AM
I don't think there's much you could do to improve upon the Remote+ that wouldn't break compatibility with legacy hardware. You certainly can't add buttons or anything like that.
It could be done. The extra buttons just wouldn't serve any purpose. Think like how GBA playback worked on the DS even though there were now all these extra buttons, but they just didn't do anything as far as playing the GBA games were concerned. So new buttons certainly can be added, and it wouldn't break compatibility with old Wii games because they just wouldn't do anything when operating in that mode. The extra buttons would only do something with original Wii U content.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 18, 2011, 02:40:58 AM
That's what I'm saying though. Nintendo wants Wii remotes to work with Wii U software, and that gets broken if a game requires the extra buttons on this hypothetical Wii Remote Plus Plus.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 18, 2011, 02:45:37 AM
That's what I'm saying though. Nintendo wants Wii remotes to work with Wii U software, and that gets broken if a game requires the extra buttons on this hypothetical Wii Remote Plus Plus.
But the new controllers wouldn't break compatibility with legacy games. I get what you're saying about it breaking compatibility with legacy remotes, though. But what if the new redesigned wiimote was like a merging of the old wiimote and nunchuck into one single item? Imagine a Wiimote which had an analog stick plus the two buttons of the nunchuck all on the same thing. That way you could achieve the same things as you could with the old wiimote/chuck setup, but now the same controls are available in a more condensed and concise form. Wouldn't that work?
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: King of Twitch on July 18, 2011, 02:53:09 AM
That's a good idea, but I feel that the answer lies there, with Masaka. We must find her, access her. Talk to her. Touch her screen.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: nickmitch on July 18, 2011, 07:40:05 PM
This being Nintendo, it feels like some kind of GameCube VC-style money grab is inevitable, and to facilitate that they'd probably want to release a Classic Controller more in line with the (scientifically proven fantastic) GameCube layout. They could redesign games to work with newer controllers, but I'm sure they'd much rather get all of us to pay for a fix ourselves.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: nickmitch on July 18, 2011, 07:42:02 PM
That's what I'm saying though. Nintendo wants Wii remotes to work with Wii U software, and that gets broken if a game requires the extra buttons on this hypothetical Wii Remote Plus Plus.
But the new controllers wouldn't break compatibility with legacy games. I get what you're saying about it breaking compatibility with legacy remotes, though. But what if the new redesigned wiimote was like a merging of the old wiimote and nunchuck into one single item? Imagine a Wiimote which had an analog stick plus the two buttons of the nunchuck all on the same thing. That way you could achieve the same things as you could with the old wiimote/chuck setup, but now the same controls are available in a more condensed and concise form. Wouldn't that work?
He's saying Nintendo wants the current WiiMote/+ to work on the WiiU. Adding buttons to make a uMote+ would make that not work out as well.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: MaryJane on July 18, 2011, 08:04:22 PM
I don't think they should add buttons to a new Wiimote, what would be the point then of making the current Wiimote forward-compatible? That isn't to say there won't be an improvement, but it will be an nonessential one, like the Wiimote+ where you can use it if you like, but isn't necessary.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Kytim89 on July 18, 2011, 09:28:55 PM
I don't think they should add buttons to a new Wiimote, what would be the point then of making the current Wiimote forward-compatible? That isn't to say there won't be an improvement, but it will be an nonessential one, like the Wiimote+ where you can use it if you like, but isn't necessary.
If Nintendo added two more buttons to the Wiimote 2.0 that have it a similar button set up to the SNES then playing A Link to the Past with the new motion controller in a similar manner to how the current Wiimote is used to play NES games on the Virtual Console. The biggest question would be whether or not this new controller would be compatible with the Wii games?
It appears to me that Nintendo is trying to forfeit the motion controlled gaming concept to Sony and Microsoft. Both of those companies intend to support motion controls well into their next system, and Nintendo would be smart to up the ante just so they do not appear as though they are trying to compete with newer controllers with a dated system.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: SixthAngel on July 18, 2011, 09:30:31 PM
I just hope they drop the original remote support entirely and require motion+ for it to be used. Just making that standard would do wonders for the games that could be made.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: ishfishmial0 on July 19, 2011, 02:15:53 AM
I doubt this will happen since Nintendo already said that the Wii U will be backward compatible with the old ones. Introducing a new Wii mote may only serve to confuse users.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 19, 2011, 02:25:56 AM
They could make it like how you could use your PlayStation 1 controllers on the PlayStation 2 but couldn't be used on PS2 games (or at least most).
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 19, 2011, 02:29:25 AM
Yes, if they wanted to go completely against what they've already said they're doing, they could make it like that.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 19, 2011, 02:33:31 AM
They said all Wii peripherals will work on Wii U, they didn't say they would always work with every Wii U game. They could make it so every game requires Wii MotionPlus, this would help spur sales of the Wii Remote Plus and the Wii MotionPlus for people who don't already have them.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Kytim89 on July 19, 2011, 03:36:55 AM
They could make it like how you could use your PlayStation 1 controllers on the PlayStation 2 but couldn't be used on PS2 games (or at least most).
The Dual Shock 2 controller will still work with PSOne games, so there should be no issue with having BC for Wii games with the Wiimote 2.0 other than the extra buttons not working.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: SixthAngel on July 19, 2011, 03:38:21 AM
They said all Wii peripherals will work on Wii U, they didn't say they would always work with every Wii U game. They could make it so every game requires Wii MotionPlus, this would help spur sales of the Wii Remote Plus and the Wii MotionPlus for people who don't already have them.
I think they have to do this. Having WiiU games that don't use motion+ would be a catastrophe in my opinion and lead to all the non U controller games not supporting it.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 19, 2011, 05:19:27 AM
They could make it like how you could use your PlayStation 1 controllers on the PlayStation 2 but couldn't be used on PS2 games (or at least most).
The Dual Shock 2 controller will still work with PSOne games, so there should be no issue with having BC for Wii games with the Wiimote 2.0 other than the extra buttons not working.
Again, the problem isn't how the new controllers would work with the old games, it's how the old Wii remotes would work with Wii U games.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 19, 2011, 08:30:41 AM
They could make it like how you could use your PlayStation 1 controllers on the PlayStation 2 but couldn't be used on PS2 games (or at least most).
The Dual Shock 2 controller will still work with PSOne games, so there should be no issue with having BC for Wii games with the Wiimote 2.0 other than the extra buttons not working.
Again, the problem isn't how the new controllers would work with the old games, it's how the old Wii remotes would work with Wii U games.
If anything changes, Nintendo could offer an addon module similar to the motionplus which plugs into the old wiimotes to bring them up to spec.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Adrock on July 19, 2011, 09:37:23 AM
Not sure I can explain this well enough, but I'll give it a shot. Assuming Nintendo releases a Wii U Remote/Nunchuck:
1. The Wii U remote is NOT backwards compatible (cannot be used on the Wii) [edited for clarity]. 2. Any Wii U game that uses Wii Remote Plus is also compatible with Wii U Remote. 3. The opposite is NOT true. Developers will not be required to (and most will not) consider a Wii Remote Plus mode. However, most Wii U titles will include both a tablet controller mode and a Wii U Remote/Nunchuck mode.
This is pretty much the same thing we saw on the Wii with Gameube controller compatibility. The new controllers are always favored over the old one because backwards compatibility is a bonus.
I've considered the pros and cons of this approach with a Wii U Remote/Nunchuck but I believe the pros far outweigh the cons. Including Wii Remote Plus compatibility allows Nintendo to continue offering a more simplified experience to casual gamers who are supposedly confused/terrified by anything but a large A button. They will never HAVE to purchase/use a Wii U remote as games made specifically for that segment of the market will never require more than the Wii Remote Plus and possibly the tablet controller for its screen.
Fair enough, but those same people will also never play or even bat an eye at Call of Duty, Zelda, Ninja Gaiden etc. Nintendo absolutely must make sure that the people who play those games are taken care of while also making sure that they never HAVE to buy Wii Remote Plus (some find it limiting). The Wii U Remote/Nunchuck allows Nintendo to offer a controller that doesn't insult core games/3rd parties while also offering the functionality Nintendo pushed for an entire generation. Personally, I believe there's a place for motion controls in core games... when used properly. If motion controls are an option rather than a requirement, developers are more likely to experiment and use it intelligently, on an as-needed basis.
Of course, this mostly hinges of whether multiple tablet controllers are possible. If they aren't, the Wii U Remote/Nunchuck is the best solution. It doubles as a Classic Controller and a motion controller. If they are, a Wii U Remote/Nunchuck might still be something to be considered since it can do different things than the tablet controller, due to being 2 separate pieces.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Ceric on July 19, 2011, 11:19:13 AM
I'm just hoping that they require the use of Motion Plus when the Wiimote is a control option. I don't own one because its not needed and I hate buying new controllers but, that's the only way the technology will become dominant.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Mop it up on July 19, 2011, 09:15:51 PM
I'm still baffled that Nintendo aren't considering supporting more than one screen controller. What do they plan to do with multiplayer games? I hope their minds get changed on that one, but even if not, I don't see them coming out with a new version of the Wiimote. If they were going to do that, then the current Wiimote would not be compatible with Wii U games. The only thing I see as a possibility is branding the Wiimote with the Wii U logo, to make it clear that it can be used with the Wii U.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Adrock on July 19, 2011, 11:50:49 PM
I don't see them coming out with a new version of the Wiimote. If they were going to do that, then the current Wiimote would not be compatible with Wii U games.
Not necessarily. See my previous post.
I don't think Nintendo will release a Wii U Remote. I just think they should.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Ian Sane on July 20, 2011, 12:33:08 PM
It is pretty funny that this is even an issue. The whole thing seems to be about keeping the old Wiimote so people can use their old ones. This is a new videogame system! You buy a new system, you buy new controllers. That is how it works. Yet it seems like Nintendo is afraid to make people buy new Wiimotes. If casuals won't buy new controllers, they're a lost cause anyway. It's clearly just a fad to them if they're that flaky.
I think at the very least Motion+ should be the Wii U standard. I would personally be fine if Nintendo just never bothered with this motion control crap ever again but if they're going to, and I know they will, we might as well have something that's an improvement. I am not at all interested in broken unresponsive motion control like the Wii had. That **** just is not going to fly. Either ditch the concept entirely or make it better. What we have now is way too rough to continue on as is.
Can you imagine if we were still using the N64 analog stick? Ugh. There is a reason you update with new systems.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 20, 2011, 12:34:09 PM
1. The Wii U remote is NOT forwards compatible (cannot be used on the Wii).
Doesn't that mean backwards compatible? Forwards compatible would mean how it would work with the Wii U's successor (something which we can't even contemplate at this point).
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Adrock on July 20, 2011, 12:46:46 PM
My bad.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: King of Twitch on July 20, 2011, 01:46:49 PM
Yes, now we don't have to buy three more $80 controllers. We'll have $240 extra dollars to spend on games. They're screwing us again! :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface:
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Post by: Ceric on July 20, 2011, 02:00:32 PM
Yes, now we don't have to buy three more $80 controllers. We'll have $240 extra dollars to spend on games. They're screwing us again! :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface: :moonface:
Which will happen to be what the 3DS will be dropped to.
Title: Re: Will Nintendo Develope a New Motion Controller Just for the WiiU?
Post by: Kytim89 on July 20, 2011, 02:29:34 PM
Cash incentives are too powerful for Nintendo to not make new controllers for thier new system.
