Post by: Gamefreak on May 02, 2003, 05:14:56 PM
What do you think of the list? What do you think will make the top ten?
Also, remember this is more like a hundred "greatest" games of all time not hundred "most fun" games of all time. The difference is that "greatest" sort of incorporates several issues, as in the impact the game had, how revolutionary it was, etc, as well as how fun it was...
So just cause you think Advance Wars is better than Resident Evil 2 you should say "how dare they put RE2 a slot higher than Advance Wars". They were both fun, yes, but RE2 was more revolutionary and had much more of an impact. Advance Wars is, yes, probably a lot more fun to most people, but it's not to much different from the other Wars games and didn't induce a whole genre to appear...
Post by: KirbySStar on May 02, 2003, 05:40:01 PM
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Post by: PIAC on May 02, 2003, 06:53:31 PM
my first ever favorite game
still is one of my favorite series'
Post by: Gamefreak on May 02, 2003, 06:59:13 PM
Post by: DrForester on May 02, 2003, 07:11:39 PM
Goldeneye better be on the list. Perfect Dark better not be.
ICO better be in the top 20...........
Post by: Gamefreak on May 02, 2003, 07:17:22 PM
Post by: Pale on May 02, 2003, 07:21:18 PM
I loved the monkey island games too and I was wondering how the ps2 game stacks up against the originals...any input on that?
Now for on topic...
I personally kind of flipped that pokemon was so low. Now part of me wonders if gold/silver will be on there higher up, but that seems silly to me as red/blue launched the whole thing. Basically i think pokemon created the concept of a persistant one player rpg, where people can just keep playing and keep playing.
I also feel games like ice climber, balloon fight, sky kid etc. should be on their for revolutionizing the 2 player co-op form of play...
oh and wrecking crew.
Post by: Gamefreak on May 02, 2003, 07:47:08 PM
Post by: Pale on May 02, 2003, 07:54:08 PM
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 02, 2003, 07:59:51 PM
1. Zelda (series)
2. Doom
3.
4.
5.
The rest of them are in the Hyrule board in the thread I created.
Post by: Mario on May 02, 2003, 08:33:34 PM
1st - 15 points
2nd - 10 points
3rd - 8 points
4th - 7 points
5th - 6 points
6th - 5 points
7th - 4 points
8th - 3 points
9th - 2 points
10th - 1 point
Then afterwards, someone can add up the tally and the game with the most points is number one, second most points is number two etc. up to one hundred? Im game if you guys are...
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 02, 2003, 08:45:38 PM
The reader choice award.
Post by: Mario on May 02, 2003, 08:49:15 PM
Post by: Clonester on May 03, 2003, 04:34:32 AM
by the mods, it would probably get locked. If is was ok though, I definitely would be all for it. Just as long as everyone else would be as willing to put some time and thought, as well as unbiasness, into choosing their top 10 or 20, or whatever, as I would.A bit more on topic, I think their top 100 is pretty good so far, although I wish Shining Force II would have been ranked higher. The interesting part will be when they decide the top 20 or top 30. I really hope Chrono Trigger is in the top 5, or at least the top 10. Anything less than that would be unacceptable. Overall, they have put some good guidelines in place for their top 100.
Post by: FFantasyFX on May 03, 2003, 05:07:54 AM
), "and" everyone listed clear and concise reasons after each pick about why they choose that game in that spot, the mods might let us get away with it . . . might. It can't simply be a bare list, each individual has to put some thought into the process of compiling the games.
Post by: TheResidentEvil on May 03, 2003, 05:20:51 AM
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Post by: Meta-Knight on May 03, 2003, 08:52:16 AM
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Originally posted by: DrForester
i'm pissed becasue they'lll probably leave out Xenogears.
Goldeneye better be on the list. Perfect Dark better not be.
ICO better be in the top 20...........
Why? Perfect Dark was a great game, better than Goldeneye IMO... especially in multiplayer. As for the single player, well, I prefered PD's because of the improved AI and graphics, and there was much more place for strategy.
Post by: Clonester on May 03, 2003, 08:58:48 AM
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Um...i don't think we are prepared for the top 100 or even 20. IGN has played far more games (especially classic ones) than we have. We will limit the list to what we have played a leave out all the good games on other/old systems..
Quite true for the most part. Perhaps a Nintendo console only top 50, 75, or 100. Stating the thought process and reasonings behind your posts is perfect. Although, many of us here have played more than just Nintendo console games, but I know what you mean. Nintendo consoles, with the NES, SNES, Gameboy (GBC & GBA), N64, and Gamecube, will have more than enough games to base a top games list on. The only major thing that would factor in is the fact that not everyone has played older Nintendo games (like on the NES).
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on May 03, 2003, 11:54:12 AM
i mean, the top 5 wouldnt be so hard
or atleast the top one I bet is zelda OOT
Post by: reyontoyeny on May 03, 2003, 02:09:15 PM
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Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on May 07, 2003, 12:36:59 AM
Smash Bros. Melee higher than Soul Calibur? Gimme a break...
Also, I've noticed that not one Mario and Zelda game from 31-100. Hmmm, I wonder how many will be ranked in the top 30?
Post by: Gamefreak on May 07, 2003, 03:49:23 PM
Update, both Super Mario World games are in the 20's, as well Metroid Prime, Metal Gear Solid, and Punch-Out. Final Fantasy X was in the 90's, and they called that the best FF game of the modern era, and FF3 (6) is already on the list...doesn't seem like seven will make it...
I smell lots of zelda games coming up...Super Metroid should be really really high up.
Post by: TheResidentEvil on May 07, 2003, 04:31:27 PM
OOT
WW
FF 7
Super Mario World
LTTP
SHould have been:
Halo
MP
Post by: mariomeatball on May 07, 2003, 04:34:55 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on May 07, 2003, 04:44:13 PM
Post by: Gamefreak on May 07, 2003, 08:59:01 PM
91. F-Zero
84. Kid Icarus
80. Excitebike
74. Pilotwings
72. Pokemon Red/Blue
59. Advance Wars
57. Star Fox
46. Conker's Bad Fur Day
36. Super Smash Bros. Melee
33. Wave Race 64
28. Super Mario World
24. Yoshi's Island: Super Mario World 2
23. Metroid Prime
22. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
19. Goldeneye 007
14. Super Mario Kart
Notice that no Zelda games are on it yet...There will probably be 2 on the top 10, along with Super Metroid, Mario 64, and probably an NES Super Mario...
Post by: AngusPodgorny on May 08, 2003, 05:20:20 AM
EW's top 100 was a joke. Grand Theft Auto 3 and Madden 2003 in the top 5? Please...
Zelda and Mario deserve top 5, certainly. Although I personally prefer Zelda to Mario, Mario is more of a cultural phenomenon (movies, TV shows, et al) and has a wider appeal than Zelda, so I'd have to put Mario above Zelda. In this respect, and also considering the fact that I'm an old fart, I'd have to consider putting Pac-man above both Zelda and Mario. Not only was Pac-man a cultural phenomemon, it helped create the video game industry as we know it. In the 80s, it seemed like every restaurant in America had a Pac-man (or Ms. Pac-man) machine, and who could resist popping a quarter in and trying your luck?
-Angus
Post by: Gamefreak on May 08, 2003, 04:27:16 PM
Post by: Ninja X on May 08, 2003, 04:43:07 PM
Chrono Trigger ranks in at 12. That game is, simply put, the best RPG made as of yet in my opinion. It's nice to see it up there in the top-twenty. That is fair compared to where EGM placed the game on their list last year (somewhere between 40 and 50, I think).
Post by: Gamefreak on May 08, 2003, 05:06:41 PM
It looks like RPG's and FPS's are done for the list, with Chrono Trigger and Goldeneye at the top of their respective genres...
We still have yet to see about adventure and platform games though...I smell a lot coming up
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on May 08, 2003, 10:47:20 PM
yay!
That is one of the best games I've played. I have to say the Top 100 doesn't look too bad, they are not forgetting the old classic games.
I wonder how many Zelda games will be in the Top Ten? Looks like 3...
Post by: Gamefreak on May 08, 2003, 11:09:17 PM
Only ten slots left, and they haven't even mention any Zelda games, Super Metroid, any NES Mario game, Super Mario 64, Starcraft, Tetris, aaaahhh too many good games for only 10 slots!
Post by: SCF on May 09, 2003, 08:07:04 AM
).Now if Nintendo makes a new Punch Out game for the GC I'll be in h eaven. Metroid Prime in the number 23 spot deserv that number too.Chrono Trigger better than Mario Kart? hmmmm I don't think so. I would have switch those slots. From what I heard Castlevania SOTN is the best castlevania ever made so I guess that number is right too. The only thing that bothers me is... where is MK and Street Fighter 2, lets hope its in the top 10 cause i've not seeing them in the list. If someone has correct me if i'm wrong. A sure bet is that we will see a Zelda, Mario,FF game in the top 10, im not so sure if we'll wee a DK Country in the top 10 but here's to guessing.
Post by: Syl on May 09, 2003, 11:47:25 AM
heh, nintendo ruled the list... as they should =)
still a very flawed list in general... had alot of the games that deserved to be up there on it, but the ranking and area was just very awkward.
Post by: The Omen on May 09, 2003, 12:38:39 PM
Post by: Ninja X on May 09, 2003, 01:07:47 PM
Omen, Read the Ocarina of Time summary again. They decided to use just the best one out of the 3D Zeldas, my guess. That is, and should be, Ocarina of Time. Metroid Prime is the only 3D Metroid ever released.
Post by: Clonester on May 09, 2003, 02:41:20 PM
I was really impressed with this list. One of the best Top 100 lists I've seen, and they kept to their criteria well. It was nice to see Chrono Trigger at #12, the second best RPG on the list, and only because FF2 (or 4) was really the first huge modern type RPG. FF2 really brought character development and plot development to the fore, and was one of the first to do so. Chrono Trigger is perhaps gaming perfection, especially for RPG's. It took everything and made it PERFECT. It is still considered by many, including myself, not only the best RPG ever, but also the best game ever. If it was a best game list, I would have liked to see it higher, but it was a perfect placement based on the criteria IGN set for the list.
Post by: phil1984 on May 09, 2003, 05:35:38 PM
Marathon (Bungie): Before Halo and when Bungie was a Mac only company they released a first person shooter that was more advanced than any at the time. It had an evolving story line that was unheard of for a shooter back then. I would of placed it around 50th.
Donkey Kong Country (Rare): The game that saved the SNES from an early exit. Kick ass graphics and great gameplay to Boot. I would of placed it somewhere around 80th
Myth (Bungie): Bungie continued there fine form when they released Myth for Mac and Pc back in 1997. It was a RTS game with a difference; it was purley tactical, no need to micromanage at all. A top 50 game for sure.
Super Mario Bros 3 (Nintendo): This was a travesty of justice in my opinion! By far and away my favourite Mario Brothers. I would of placed it top 5 at least.
Escape Velocity (Ambrosia): Another Mac only game. Think of it as an updated Elite (if you know that game) A classic game that made my PC using friends extremely jelous back in 1996. I would of placed it Top 50.
Total Anhilation (Cave Dog): In my mind as good an RTS as any, definatly up there with Starcraft. I would of placed it Top 40.
Heroes III (3DO): A great Turn Based Strategy game. It really should of been found somewhere in the list.
Well those are just a few of the games I would of placed in the Top 100 but overall I am pretty impressed with IGN's effort.
Post by: VideoGamerX on May 09, 2003, 06:20:24 PM
Furthermore, no mention of Donkey Kong Country. They had some brainfarts on leaving certain titles out. They listed Super Mario Brothers and seem to figure that Super Mario World is way on down the list. They neglected Super Mario Brothers 3.
I also don't recall seeing the original Legend of Zelda. They did bother to list the original Super Mario Brothers.
It's subtle inconcistencies like these that hurt the list. They needed a little more than a couple of weeks to come up with this, but it's a good list. I'll say this much, there are a ton of games deserving to be on that list that did make it. I'm just surprised at some of the ranking. SEGA got a bit of the shaft when it came to Sonic the Hedgehog, but all of those games are great. I'm very happy to see Street Fighter II getting some props.
Post by: dmcollin on May 09, 2003, 07:17:11 PM
i am a little confused though, did they bundle games to gether for system, like mario 1-3 and n64 versions of zelda? Because their list seems a little off.
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 09, 2003, 08:04:11 PM
WW isn't on there because it's too recent, not because it's a bad game.
I also wish Grim Fandango was in the top 10 somewhere... but oh well.
And OoT is overrated. I went back and played it a few weeks ago, and it just didn't click like the first time I played it, it just wasn't fun with all the hype worn off. Great games should be timeless... but this one wasn't. I think too many people are relying on their great memories of the game. LttP definitely shoulda been higher than OoT, IMO.
Post by: Gamefreak on May 09, 2003, 08:21:20 PM
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Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on May 10, 2003, 03:40:08 AM
I was shocked Mario 3 wasn't on the list. I mean, it pushed the genre further.
Other games I felt should have made the list:
Jet Set Radio - how could they not include this game? It was completely original. And if we are talking about how a game influenced a genre, this is it. The cel-shading technique. How many developers are copying this technique? Yeah, I thought so.
Super Monkey Ball - this game is pure fun and addictive. And a great multiplayer mode. How could it be left out? If not that, then Marble Madness should have made it.
Post by: Syl on May 10, 2003, 04:24:49 AM
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Total Anhilation (Cave Dog): In my mind as good an RTS as any, definatly up there with Starcraft. I would of placed it Top 40.
Heroes III (3DO): A great Turn Based Strategy game. It really should of been found somewhere in the list
I second you about that, those are my 2 favorite computer games without a doubt.
Heroes III should have DEFINATELY been on there, i can't understand why they left it off. TA should have been on there, but i do believe that they only have 2 RTS on that list total...
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on May 10, 2003, 06:59:23 AM
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Post by: Ninja X on May 10, 2003, 08:20:19 AM
As for Super Mario Bros. 3, I am not sure why they decided to not put it on the list. I guess many of them thought it was a big upgrade of the original Mario Bros. Super Mario World and Super Mario World 2 were both different from each other in their eyes and that can be justified.
Final Fantasy 7 is highly questionable. To include FFX, but not to include the game that popularized the series in America...very questionable.
And I am glad for once Final Fantasy II beat Final Fantasy III. Final Fantasy II was the game that introduced many RPG concepts such as classes. It was also the first to have memorable characters, and one of the first to have a plot. Final Fantasy III may have been great, but it did not really introduce new features or concepts to the RPG genre as a whole.
Remember, the criteria for this list is how revolutionary a game is, the game's influence in its respective genre and the game industry, and how fun it is back then and now.
On a side note, Tetris dominated in EGM, EW, and IGN's list. In EGM, it held the #2 rank, only behind Super Metroid. In EW, it held the #3 rank, behind Doom and Zelda. In IGN, it held the #4 rank. Glad to see all three publications put it in their top five.
Post by: Gamefreak on May 10, 2003, 08:40:18 AM
Legend of Zelda
Super Mario Bros. 3
Total Annihilation
And as for FF7, I think they could have put it in place of FFX, but nowhere near the top ten...
I personally would have OoT as 1, Super Metroid as 2, and Super Mario as 3, but I guess IGN is looking into the whole picture, and I'm just looking at which game I myself had more fun with. But Super Mario Bros. has brought joy to the hearts of more people than any other video game.
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on May 10, 2003, 09:35:52 AM
As pointed it, it was how the game affected the industry of gaming, not just how good it was. And Mario was definitely the game that affected the gaming industry, and he still does. Just goes to show you, that good games last for years, but great games last for-ever.
The best way to figure out which games are the best, are to play them after they've been released for five years. If they still give you that queezy feeling inside, you know the game is great.
Post by: kennyb27 on May 10, 2003, 09:48:55 AM
Post by: Gamefreak on May 10, 2003, 10:10:29 AM
And Nintendo brought Tetris to the masses too...which is the only other game in the top 5
Post by: TheResidentEvil on May 10, 2003, 01:08:56 PM
What the hell.
Post by: Gamefreak on May 10, 2003, 01:20:34 PM
As for FF7...well I guess that should be on their somewhere, near the larger numbers...
The main games I see missing that I believe deserve to be on the list are Super Mario Bros. 3, Total Annihilation, and The Legend of Zelda.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on May 10, 2003, 05:30:05 PM
No, Nintendo made 5 of their top 10 games- Super Mario 64, A Link to the Past, Super Metroid, Ocarina of Time, and Super Mario Bros.
Post by: Gamefreak on May 10, 2003, 11:33:59 PM
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Post by: VideoGamerX on May 11, 2003, 07:48:19 AM
As for the list, I think they did a good job with it, too. They made a few obvious mistakes, though. I can see their choices on Final Fantasy, but they still somehow missed ranking the original Legend of Zelda. If a Link to the Past is worthy of top 10, then my guess is that it ought to be up there. I understand why Ocarina of Time ranks higher than LttP (LttP redefined 2D adventure gaming, borrowing from what the original started).
If they are going to rank like that, then Super Mario Brothers 3 definitely deserves a spot somewhere on there. It redefined what the original started, introduced a flying power up, a 3/4th's overhead view of a map for Mario (same as in Super Mario World). It also introduced 7 other world bosses and broke the mold of battling Bowser 8 times. It introduced item storage to the series as well.
Still a great list.
Post by: Gamefreak on May 11, 2003, 10:34:22 AM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on May 12, 2003, 08:51:33 PM
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Even with 6 of the top 10 in Nintendo's hands IGN is really getting bashed as a Nintendo fanboy in loads of non-Nintendo forums. Trust me, I've seen it, and it ain't pretty.
Well, I guess they are jealous they have not played the Nintendo greats!
BTW, I really should get my NES out and play Super Mario Bros. again.
