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Title: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: Halbred on October 14, 2010, 03:11:15 PM
What's Known: They're working on Batman 3 right now. The Joker will not be in it, because Nolan has said that he will not replace Heath Ledger (and he should not). This movie will be Nolan's last Batman film, as he wants the trilogy to be a complete story.
What's Rumored: The dude from Inception and 3rd Rock from the Sun might've been cast as Edward Nigma, and Tom Hardy (also from Inception) has supposedly just been cast as an unknown villain. Two-Face may come back in some capacity.
My Mindless Speculation: Robin will not be introduced. He doesn't fit into Nolan's version of Batman. Although I'm sad about it, I doubt Catwoman will appear either. I think Riddler would make a great villain, although he might be difficult to create action around. I think Hardy might make a good Penguin. Before Tim Burton ruined the character, the Penguin was a proper but evil businessman who ran a swanky club that he used as a meeting place for backdoor crime deals. He was essentially a mob boss, and he could be modified to BE a mob boss in Nolan's universe. I don't know if Hardy fits the profile, but anything's possible.
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Post by: broodwars on October 14, 2010, 03:29:23 PM
I'm not sure how that's possible given that I believe Two-Face died at the end of Dark Knight.
I'd be happy to see a Nolan take on the Riddler. Even though I enjoyed the Carrey version of the character, there have been some great darker versions of the character like the one in The Batman. I'd love to see him take on Clayface as well, but that character might be too fantastical for this universe. Maybe Black Mask then? He hasn't appeared in a previous Live Action movie. I wouldn't mind a minor role for the Penguin, too.
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kytim89 on October 14, 2010, 03:29:52 PM
I actually like this thread because me and my friend were discussin this topic a while back.
Here is what I am speculating about the film:
The Scarecrow will not return in this film, but in his lace will be Firefly. I imagine the film starting out with Firefly trying to burn down an apartment complex. Batman ends up stopping his plan, but gets slightly burned(keeping with Nolan's idea of Batman being injured) on his forarms. Once it is over, Batman has to flee from the police on the Batpod.
The first two movies dealt with the idea of escalation and since the Joker's escalation all most sent Gotham City into anarchy, Batman in this film will try to supress any villians that try to rise up in the power vaccum created by the Joker. This attempt would prove futile as the film goes on, but Batman learns a crucial lesson in that there will always be villians and escalation and that he is the only keeping Gotham City from tearing itself apart.
Some how Batman will redeem himself in the eyes of the Police and the public.
Commisioner Gordan will lead a task force specifically for hunting Batman(more serious in this film than part 2), but he will still be in leauge with Batman. The writers could introduce a Federal agent over seeing the capture of Batman who also buts heads with Gordan for socializing with Batman.
Bruce Wayne will try to use his finances to correct some of the wrongs done by the Joker. This would be more in line with his philanthropy and he would also pay to have Gotham General rebuilt. This would be like a pincer attack where both persona of Batman fight crime to curb its power.
The Tumbler will return in some capacity, and since Wayne manor will be rebuilt, the Batcave will make an appearance too.
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Post by: NWR_Neal on October 14, 2010, 03:54:42 PM
Firefly? Out of all of Batman's enemies, you think Firefly will be in it?
I'd love to see Joseph Gordon-Levitt as The Riddler, as long as Nolan and co. can make him not ridiculous. After the first two films, I have complete faith they'll do it.
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Post by: Caliban on October 14, 2010, 04:33:34 PM
Is Christian bale going to be Batman again?
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 14, 2010, 04:37:14 PM
Firefly? Out of all of Batman's enemies, you think Firefly will be in it?
I'd love to see Joseph Gordon-Levitt as The Riddler, as long as Nolan and co. can make him not ridiculous. After the first two films, I have complete faith they'll do it.
Firefly would be easy for Nolan to write into his version of the franchise. Simlpy make him a serial arsonist named "Firefly." Why is that so hard?
After the GI Joe, I just can not see Joeph Gordon-Levitt as a viable villian. :cool;
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: Halbred on October 14, 2010, 04:51:03 PM
Yes, and Gary Oldman is still Commissioner Gordon, and Michael Caine is still Alfred Pennyworth. Am I the only one who's happy that What's Her Name is finally dead, and that her character never should have been introduced in the first place?
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kytim89 on October 14, 2010, 04:54:19 PM
I have heared rumors that the film is going to be filmed in IMAX for the entire film because the Nolan does not like 3D. Also, I liked Katey Holmes as Rachel from the first movie, but found the second chick to not be as hot as her. Lastly, there is another rumor saying that the second Doctot Who from the new series wil be the Riddler. I would rather see him play the part than that Third Rock from the Sun guy.
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Post by: nickmitch on October 14, 2010, 05:31:03 PM
Yes, and Gary Oldman is still Commissioner Gordon, and Michael Caine is still Alfred Pennyworth. Am I the only one who's happy that What's Her Name is finally dead, and that her character never should have been introduced in the first place?
Nope.
Anyway, I think Penguin or Scarface and the Ventilloquist woud make great "B villians" for the next movie. Nolan seems to like the organized crime side of Batman's rogues gallery, and I think those two are the most interesting. Penguin because he's just perfect for that situation. With Scarface, it can really play up the psychosis thing and posibly add a bit of mystery to his character which would play off very well with a Riddler based story.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 14, 2010, 06:08:14 PM
Yes, and Gary Oldman is still Commissioner Gordon, and Michael Caine is still Alfred Pennyworth. Am I the only one who's happy that What's Her Name is finally dead, and that her character never should have been introduced in the first place?
Nope.
Anyway, I think Penguin or Scarface and the Ventilloquist woud make great "B villians" for the next movie. Nolan seems to like the organized crime side of Batman's rogues gallery, and I think those two are the most interesting. Penguin because he's just perfect for that situation. With Scarface, it can really play up the psychosis thing and posibly add a bit of mystery to his character which would play off very well with a Riddler based story.
Friefly would also make a good "B villian" for the purpose of introducing Batman into the film.
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: UncleBob on October 14, 2010, 07:16:54 PM
I'm not sure how that's possible given that I believe Two-Face died at the end of Dark Knight.
Seriously, have you ever read a comic? ;)
The idea of Firefly is actually a pretty good one - he's a realistic B-List villain that would fit in pretty well in the Nolanverse. The only concern I have is that the mass audience might think he's some kind of Mr. Freeze rip-off.
I've read rumors of Killer Croc. I like that idea. If you don't make him a giant Crocodile-Man and, instead, make him a large man with crazy tattoos or some kind of disease , he could fit.
I hope Nolan doesn't go with the Riddler. Not that I don't like the Riddler, but I can't see working him into the Nolanverse without making him look too much like the Joker who leaves clues.
Dr. Hugo Strange could be fun.
A more grounded version of the Mad Hatter would be interesting.
And - to pull from the C list of villains... Lock Up. I could see him as an ex-prison guard/asylum guard who somehow forms a grudge against Batman.
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: broodwars on October 14, 2010, 07:47:14 PM
I'm not sure how that's possible given that I believe Two-Face died at the end of Dark Knight.
Seriously, have you ever read a comic? ;)
This is the Nolan Batman universe, where we don't have magic or lazarus pits so I find the possibility of that situation occurring unlikely. :P: :
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Post by: NWR_Neal on October 14, 2010, 10:45:28 PM
I just think Firefly is a terrible villain.
For anyone who just wants to write off Joseph Gordon-Levitt as the "3rd Rock from the Sun" kid, watch something he's done (not G.I. Joe) in the past five years. Kid's got acting chops.
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kytim89 on October 14, 2010, 10:49:11 PM
For anyone who just wants to write off Joseph Gordon-Levitt as the "3rd Rock from the Sun" kid, watch something he's done (not G.I. Joe) in the past five years. Kid's got acting chops.
I did watch Stop Loss and thought he was good in that, but the guy is too wimpy to be a credible villian, even for the Riddler.
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: NWR_Neal on October 14, 2010, 10:50:55 PM
The Riddler IS wimpy. Also, dudes can bulk up if need be.
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kytim89 on October 14, 2010, 11:09:16 PM
The Riddler IS wimpy. Also, dudes can bulk up if need be.
I had heared rumors that Johnny Depp was going to play the Riddler. An evil version of Willy Wonka blended with the Riddler would be cool. Also, I am not hating on Levitt, but I will have to see him acting as the Riddler before hand.
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: NWR_Neal on October 14, 2010, 11:12:25 PM
Well, you know we all saw Heath Ledger play the Joker before the The Dark Knight and that turned out awful /sarcasm
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: that Baby guy on October 14, 2010, 11:23:16 PM
Anybody read Batman: The Dark Knight Returns? It's a imagined conclusion to Batman, essentially. I would definitely like to see a fourth movie, in five or so years time, perhaps, inspired by this particular work. It would fit what we've seen so well, especially since it and Batman: Year One are practically built upon each other in character-base and themes, and so much of Nolan's Batman is based on Year One and it's related books.
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: ShyGuy on October 15, 2010, 01:06:41 AM
I'm curious to see where Nolan takes this. So far he has followed a similar character arc as the comics.
In Batman year one, Bruce finds himself and is finally able to strike back at crime when he becomes the Batman. In Batman year two, Bruce loses his ally in D.A. Harvey Dent and loses hope. In Batman year three, he rescues Richard Grayson after his parents are murdered and finds hope and another ally.
Nolan has said he isn't going to use Robin, so I'm curious to see where he takes this.
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: Stratos on October 15, 2010, 04:47:15 AM
I'm not sure how that's possible given that I believe Two-Face died at the end of Dark Knight.
Seriously, have you ever read a comic? ;)
This is the Nolan Batman universe, where we don't have magic or lazarus pits so I find the possibility of that situation occurring unlikely. :P: : :
I've heard some interesting theories that could lead to Harvey remaining alive . Like Batman locking him up and faking his death so no one knew he had become a monster . But there is one problem (unless it is retconned). In the actual script for Dark Knight it states that Harvey fell and broke his neck .
Nolan may not use Robin directly, but he could include the beginnings of it. Thrown in the orphan boy that Bruce takes in and leave it at that. Let people fill in the blanks of assuming that he becomes Robin some day (and maybe future movies will include him). If they did include a 'Robin' in the films I'd rather it be farther down the line and make it like the cartoon Batman Beyond where a boy discovers the truth of Batman and becomes the next Batman.
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Post by: Caliban on October 15, 2010, 05:32:08 AM
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: ThePerm on October 16, 2010, 04:32:45 AM
i was thinking about starting a similar thread
On Nolan works, I've seen every film of his except for inception(missed it at the theaters waiting for it on DVD), even old short films he did at the beginning. What is going to be explored is one person's relationship with another and how it plays out is not going to be obvious.
As far as cast goes, a lot of people do their casting based on looks. These are professional actors, they are payed to be some character for 3 months, so the person who looks exactly like the character is not going to get the part, also the person who has played similar roles is also not going to take the part or get the part. Some actors are going to become big names in the future simply by being associated that they might get the part. The studio is going to let Nolan do what he wants. He made Dark Knight and made them a ton of money, so they let him make inception as his pet project...and it did really well. So, the studio probably won't force names into roles. Not only that he has some seniority now, and because of this he now has his hands in Superman.
Heres my take on the continuing story as far as it goes. Harvey's dead and they had to put the blame on the dark knight. His relationship with Gordon will be strained, and ultimately Gordon might get in trouble. Now as far as villains go its going to be hard. Just because a villain is popular doesn't mean Nolan is going to use them. Now on one hand maybe that is one thing the studio will have control over. Anyways back to plot line. Bruce's body by now is taking its toll, as crazy as Alfred is for playing along with Bruce's game he's becoming legitimately concerned. At this point he is consumed by being batman making his nightly avengings. Things are dull though, no one big has been around since the joker got put away. Thats going to change as there are bigger things at hand going down. Somebody is going find out who batman is. Now if joker didn't kill Mr. Reese somebody is going to get the information out of him.
possible villains. I'm interested in a Nolan take on Catwoman. Not the super=powered i fell off of a building Catwoman, just your regular burglar. A really hard to catch one. One of Nolan's first films was a film called Following and it was about burglary. It was really good.
ultimately Superman will come out of nowhere, and Batman will retire.
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: Halbred on October 27, 2010, 04:30:57 PM
New speculation bait:
An interview with Chris Nolan has revealed the following two bits of information:
1) The movie's title: The Dark Knight Rises 2) The Riddler is not the villain
Speculations resume!
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Post by: that Baby guy on October 27, 2010, 04:39:17 PM
Rampant speculations: Riddle is the hero.
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Post by: ThePerm on October 27, 2010, 06:16:15 PM
if the dark knight was bruces manhood, than catwomen is one of the villains
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Post by: GearBoxClock on October 27, 2010, 07:08:15 PM
Batman has to deal with a viagra addiction orchestrated by the Joker from behind bars. (http://joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2005/02/the_jokers_boner_1.jpg)
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 27, 2010, 08:52:16 PM
Bad guy = Bane...maybe Two-Face, or both.
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Post by: that Baby guy on October 27, 2010, 09:42:25 PM
Why would The Riddler fight Bane or Two-Face? This movie makes no sense.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2010, 10:02:01 PM
Two-Face was refered to as the Darknight, so the fact that this movie is titled Darknight Rises could imply that he is coming back in some sense.
Harvey Dent was referred to as Gotham's "White Knight." This contrasts with Batman as it's "Dark Knight."
Yes, but I remember Nolan saying that the title of the film also refers to Dent going from being the White Knight to the Dark Knight by the end of the film.
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Post by: UncleBob on October 28, 2010, 07:14:27 PM
"It could be argued that while Batman Begins (http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Batman_Begins) was the origin story of Batman (http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Batman_(Christian_Bale)), The Dark Knight (http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/The_Dark_Knight_(film)) was more Two-Face's tale. It was highly expressed that both men were effectively two halves of the same coin; one focused on justice regardless of the law while the other sought it through legal means. Both men had high respect and hope for each other, for it was mutual admiration that led both men to work together in hopes of ending Gotham's decades of corruption. The duality that both men possess was portrayed in many tones, some subtle while others less so. Their nicknames of the White Knight and Dark Knight were respective of each other. While their needs were met, there were problems that only Batman could overcome thanks to his vigilante status, while at the same time, only Harvey Dent could deliver legal justice and cement Batman's efforts. Without Dent, Batman's capture of any criminal would be little more then a revolving door, as the legal system would otherwise be corrupted and used at the whim of the mafia. Again like Wayne before him, Harvey's transformation into Two-Face was marked by a tragedy. Whereas Bruce Wayne's loss of his family triggered powerful vengeful emotions which he eventually overcame, Harvey never had the time to resolve the intense feelings of loss he felt at the death of Rachel Dawes (http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Rachel_Dawes_(Maggie_Gyllenhaal)). Thus, while Wayne's transformation into Batman resolved these emotions from negative to a more positive light, Dent's transformation into Two-Face was more the opposite, poisoning his once decent intentions. However, neither man's reaction to the tragedy could be described as mentally healthy, an unfortunate fact that the Joker (http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/The_Joker_(Heath_Ledger)) constantly tried to make Batman realize and accept (Although the Joker's role in Dent's descent by making contact with Dent at an emotionally and mentally difficult time should be taken into account)."
If this is the case then the title Dark Knight is refering to Harvey Dent falling to his darker side. Of course the writers wanted the story's themes to criss cross one another, so there are many different interpretations to discern from the plot. I do agree with the idea that Two-Face and Batman are two side of the same coin( no pun intended). Ironically I found the ending of the movie to imply that Batman was actually the White Knight because of his good intentions for Gotham, but had to take on the Dark Knight image(to the public) to preserve the balance of the city. Harvey, on the other hand, was pepped up to be the White Knight, but became the Dark Knight when he gave into his primal nature.
You could also argue that the Joker was trying to convert Batman from the White Knight(inability to kill) to the Dark Knight. This is why the Joker had been taunting Batman to kill him several times in the film. when Batman took the blame for the murders conducted by Two-Face, the Joker, in a way, succeeded in this endeaver.
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Post by: NWR_Neal on October 29, 2010, 12:59:50 PM
Harvey Dent is The White Knight Batman is The Dark Knight
"Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight." <-- Quote from movie, not from wikipedia.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 29, 2010, 03:25:18 PM
Neal wins.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 29, 2010, 03:27:46 PM
Harvey Dent is The White Knight Batman is The Dark Knight
"Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight." <-- Quote from movie, not from wikipedia.
Yes, but Harvey becomes a Dark Knight when he is transformed into Two-Face.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 29, 2010, 03:39:24 PM
let if go Kytim. Two-Face became Two-Face when he transformed into Two-Face.
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Post by: Stratos on October 29, 2010, 03:45:58 PM
Kytim, you have some good thoughts there. But the one problem I see is that the term 'Dark Knight' is meant as an overall positive one. There is nothing positive about Two-Face.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 29, 2010, 03:59:09 PM
The whole film was about man's choice as to whether to remain good when the situation gets tough, or give into evil. In fact, the film was not so much about Batman or the Joker, but it was really about the origins of Two-Face. That is why the title is refering to Harvey Dent. The whole film centered around his slow decent into evil. It is easy to see that Nolan was giving subtle hints about the meaning of the White Knight(good) and the Dark Knight(evil). Batman knew all along that he was walking a thin line between good and evil and he saw Harvey Dent as the embodiment of good(an uncorruptable person). This is why he wanted to quit crime fighting and let Harvey take over in his place.
The third film must have Batman realize that he alone is the only person that can fight crime(no Robin :P: ).
Let's move onto other topics. Firefly will replace Scarecrow as a seconday villian.
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: Sundoulos on October 29, 2010, 04:03:50 PM
Batman has been referred to as the Dark Knight at least since the mid 80s (was Frank Miller's book the first instance?), so there's no chance that it would be an implied title for Two-Face. It would just be counter-intuitive to give someone else that moniker.
Besides, traditionally, being a knight implies that one is upholding a code, or a system of authority, or people under that authority...whatever that authority may be. Both Batman and Dent represent people who uphold or enforce order. Although they're using different methods, the goal is the same. Both are still heroes, just heroes of a different stripe.
One of the themes of the movie is chaos vs. order, and the Joker's contention that systems and rules are inherently unjust...hence, his quote, "the thing about chaos... its fair." When Dent became Two-Face, he doesn't become the Dark Knight, he becomes an agent of chaos. He uses chance to exact his revenge.
Besides, what is inherent change in Batman's character. He is tested and overcomes those tests. Both he and Harvey Dent experience the same loss; while Dent falls, Batman stands. He's the Dark Knight at the beginning of the movie, but it's not as if his methods/image changes by the end, despite the fact that his outside circumstances change. What about this would implies that Batman becomes a White Knight?
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Post by: NWR_Neal on October 29, 2010, 05:06:52 PM
What Sundoulos said.
I still think Firefly is a stupid villain (though if he got a Nolan treatment, he could be cool), but by virtue of the fact that Nolan is ruling out almost every other major Batman villain, he might be all we have left.
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Post by: Sundoulos on October 29, 2010, 05:33:14 PM
It wouldn't be a bad idea as a distraction (like Scarecrow), but Firefly probably wouldn't really be enough to completely carry a movie.
I'm actually happy to hear that Nolan isn't going the predictable route with the Riddler...but I haven't heard anything about him ruling out other villains. Which ones?
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kytim89 on October 29, 2010, 06:10:16 PM
Nolan's take on Firefly could be pretty good. Like I said before, just make him a serial arsonist dressed in a black flame retardent suit and use him as a quick way to introduce Batman into the film. I still like the idea of Batman fighting him in a buring apratment building. The police would anticipate that Batman is inside and would make preparations for his capture, which would lead him to escape from the police.
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Post by: GearBoxClock on October 30, 2010, 04:53:56 PM
I would love to see Mr. Freeze, but I think he might be a bit to ridiculous. Mob boss Penguin may work. I like the serious treatment that they give the villains, but I don't think that Batman is the kind of character with a lot of gritty, realistic characters. At least, not a lot that don't require a fairly large overhaul.
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Post by: ThePerm on October 30, 2010, 07:04:33 PM
generally the first iteration is the least eccentric.
I like to think of what if Catwomen was simply a hard to catch burglar, not just some crazy women in a catsuit. Penguin works as a realistic character too. He was great in TOS even though he was deformed. Riddler, even though he is out also works as a pretty serious character.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFhIbpD6Vds
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Post by: that Baby guy on October 30, 2010, 09:27:11 PM
Nolan's take on Firefly could be pretty good. Like I said before, just make him a serial arsonist dressed in a black flame retardent suit and use him as a quick way to introduce Batman into the film. I still like the idea of Batman fighting him in a buring apratment building. The police would anticipate that Batman is inside and would make preparations for his capture, which would lead him to escape from the police.
Yeah, let's make Batman 3 more like the Spider-Man movies. Those really worked out swell.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 30, 2010, 10:54:48 PM
What was wrong with the Spider-Man movies? I never saw the third one but the first two were okay.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 30, 2010, 10:58:04 PM
In that case, you need to see the third one.
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Post by: UncleBob on October 30, 2010, 11:17:28 PM
Save yourself the pain and just watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoNgMVFQNBI) instead.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 30, 2010, 11:27:37 PM
If it were on Netflix streaming, I'd watch it, but it isn't. Though he said movies, plural, he didn't point to Spider-Man 3.
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Post by: that Baby guy on October 30, 2010, 11:40:30 PM
Yeah, I personally think the first two Spider-Man movies did a great job at revitalizing the Super Hero/Comic Book movie genres. That said, I really don't like them much at all. The acting is pretty bad, the stories aren't so great, and at many points, the special effects are laughable.
The third movie, though, was just incredibly bad in just about every sense.
Yeah, I know most people disagree about the first two movies, but I stand by it. Just because there aren't too many Super Hero movies that do things much better doesn't mean I have to tolerate mediocrity as though it's a convention of the genre.
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: ThePerm on October 31, 2010, 12:33:02 AM
its ok Nolan movies have always had more than one villain and not sucked
ras al ghul/scarecrow/falcone Joker/two-face/various other mobsters
the burning building thing is in a couple of Spider-Man movies but 1 & 2 rocked so whatever.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 31, 2010, 12:48:36 AM
I never realized that Spider-man fought a villian in a burning building. When I came up with the idea of Firefly trying to burn down an apartment building, Batman would go to great lengths to help the residents escape while battling Firefly. The police would be anticipating Batman's arrival and would begin to make preparations to capture him. Nolan could come up with some kind of clever way for Batman to escape. Also, Firefly would replace Scarecrow as a secondary villian.
I could also see Nolan putting Posin Ivy as an eco-terrorist that believes that humanity's a detriment to the Earth.
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Post by: UncleBob on October 31, 2010, 12:55:15 AM
Then it turns out that the burning apartment building was orchestrated by Lock Up in an attempt to capture Batman...
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Post by: NWR_Neal on October 31, 2010, 03:02:04 AM
Brief Spider-Man movie note. I think they all suck. I rewatched Spider-Man 2 after already thinking that the first one kind of sucks and the third one was patently ridiculous. I found the second one to be incredibly boring, mainly because Tobey Maguire is a terrible, terrible Spider-Man, and Kirsten Dunst isn't compelling as MJ. The supporting cast is good, though.
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: ThePerm on October 31, 2010, 06:00:04 PM
i really don't get people hating Tobey Macguire as Spider-Man, Spider-Man is supposed to be nerdy, end of story. Spider-Man is like the most pathetic superhero at getting his life together despite his awesome powers, its a pretty solid fact. It is also not like anyone has ever played him in person besides some short lived 70s tv show whom I don't even remember who played Peter Parker. My ideal actor to play Spider-Man? A young Michael J. Fox, thats not going to happen though. Imagine a parallel universe where it did though. The 90s cartoon was good, but you might as well have traded Parker with Fred from Scooby-Doo
That being said he does have dashing moments when he's older, and I think if they keep out high school stuff and origin stories in the new movie they can do a good job with Garfield continuing on as though nothing ever happened. The lizard is a good choice for villain. Its what I would do. I'm hoping for some Cronenberg's The Fly stuff to go down for Conner's transformation.
Title: Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
Post by: NWR_Neal on October 31, 2010, 09:31:37 PM
I just thought Tobey Maguire was boring and uninteresting. He's supposed to be nerdy, but he's also supposed to witty in fights...and not unlikable and boring.
And no "Here's your change!" does not count as something 'witty.'
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 31, 2010, 11:04:38 PM
Toby McGuire didn't write the script.
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Post by: NWR_Neal on October 31, 2010, 11:09:18 PM
He still sounded like he was sleeping through all three movies.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 01, 2010, 12:18:04 AM
there is a fine line between witty and cheesey/campy
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 01, 2010, 01:01:04 AM
Remember when Harry Osborne ate that pie and said it tasted so good?
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Post by: Halbred on November 01, 2010, 02:01:36 AM
Yeah, I disagreed with Tobey McGuire's casting from day 1. I think Topher Grace should've been Spider-Man the whole time (and then he was actually cast as Venom, THE ABSOLUTE WORST CASTING EVER). The problem with McGuire is that he only has one facial expression: DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS. "I'm surprised!" Okay, we get it, you're a terrible actor. Also, Kirsten Dunst was maybe the worst choice for MJ. MJ's supposed to be uber-hot, and Dunst needs dental work and she has a chipmunk face. Her real-life antics also cast her in a terrible light. She just comes off as too good for her own movies, and she was just disinterested in the movies. Toby was, too.
The real shame is that all of the villains (except Venom) were well-cast and interesting. Doc Oc was GREAT.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 01, 2010, 02:19:10 AM
kirstin dunst had her moments, but they were moments not the whole time. Snaggletooth really does need dental work. And while I can't get into the perspective of Toby Macguire hate, Dunst hate is totally reasonable. Molina was awesome as Doc Ock
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Post by: NWR_Neal on November 01, 2010, 02:21:29 AM
Yea, Molina knocked it out of the park IMO. I really like Topher Grace in general, and his miscast portrayal of Venom just made me wish he was Peter Parker/Spidey.
I'm optimistic for the new movie, though. Liked the new Spidey in Social Network, and even though I think the casting of Emma Stone as Gwen Stacy is weird (she made more sense for MJ), I think she'll be good, too.
Anyway. Batman. Looking forward to that, too.
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Post by: UncleBob on November 01, 2010, 02:28:01 AM
I never thought Mary Jane was supposed to be *hot* - That's what Felicia Hardy was for. Mary Jane was supposed to be the cute 'girl next door'.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 01, 2010, 04:25:04 AM
Kirstin Dunst fits girl next door, but then again so does Emma Stone, Emma Stone is hot though..then again she is playing Gwen Stacy which is weird, but not bad.
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Post by: Stratos on November 01, 2010, 05:41:50 AM
That being said he does have dashing moments when he's older, and I think if they keep out high school stuff and origin stories in the new movie they can do a good job with Garfield continuing on as though nothing ever happened. The lizard is a good choice for villain. Its what I would do. I'm hoping for some Cronenberg's The Fly stuff to go down for Conner's transformation.
Wait, did I read this wrong or did they decide to scratch the Spidey reboot and just do a recast for a 4th movie?
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Post by: Sundoulos on November 01, 2010, 08:30:15 AM
From everything I've heard, it's still sort of a reboot.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 01, 2010, 11:47:27 AM
Problem is that Kirsten Dunst isn't cute.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 01, 2010, 07:55:38 PM
i heard some talk a while back that they were nixing the high school idea, which i hope fo because its much too soonr. A total recast is much more popular than a total reboot. It is a reboot in that they can go backwards in some ways, like Gwen Stacy. I liked Spider-Man 1 and I liked Willem Defoe as Green Golbin, but I hated his damn power ranger suit, I would like to see them re-do green golbin, but not for this movie. I liked Spider-Man 1, but really Spider-Man 2 is like my number 2 superhero movie. Spider-Man 3 is just terrible, and I do agree Topher Grace would make a better Spider-Man than Toby Macguire, and I bet they originally were going to push Macguire out to replace him with Grace. They kinda look alike too, Grace has a more masculine Jawline though. Elijah Wood is also in their realm, but he was in middle-earth at the time.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 01, 2010, 10:42:38 PM
I haven't really kept up with it, but last I heard was it is a reboot and it's now set in college due to the age of the actors. It's probably gonna be called The Amazing Spiderman or The Spectacular Spiderman to differentiate itself from the previous versions
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Post by: that Baby guy on November 01, 2010, 10:53:05 PM
I heard it'll be called "Amazing Fantasy #15."
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Post by: ThePerm on November 12, 2010, 08:06:57 PM
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 12, 2010, 09:17:51 PM
We need to talk about Batman more in this thread.
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Post by: Halbred on November 12, 2010, 09:18:42 PM
Chris Nolan is meeting with six actresses to discuss two female roles for Batman 3.
One a potential love interest (AGAIN?), one potentially Catwoman. Discuss!
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Post by: ThePerm on November 12, 2010, 09:48:45 PM
like i said Catwomen and Nolan are a must after watching following. Weisz was rumored to be catwomen since forever.
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Post by: Sundoulos on November 12, 2010, 09:54:43 PM
Talia al Ghul would be a little more interesting as a villain, IMHO...and it would have a connection to the Batman Begins.
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Post by: nickmitch on November 12, 2010, 10:22:51 PM
It could be Talia and Catwoman. That way, the porn parody can have a hot threesome scene.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 13, 2010, 01:10:32 AM
Talia seems like she's a too far out there character, had she been in the first one than she would be much more viable, but bringing Talia in to me is like having Joker have a daughter for the Batman Triumphant movie that never took off. They would have to go too far backward to go forward. She is a good character, but I don't think she fits too well.
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Post by: that Baby guy on November 13, 2010, 01:14:02 AM
There's a rumor Sean Connery is going to be in it.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 13, 2010, 01:19:28 AM
catwomen + entrapment + batman = win
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Post by: UncleBob on November 19, 2010, 12:01:57 PM
Throw in Lock Up and you've got the makings of a story centered around Arkham.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 19, 2010, 12:17:41 PM
I do want a tv show, but being a tv show I don't think I want it reality based like the Nolanverse. The episodic nature of a Tv show gives a lot of options.
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 19, 2010, 12:33:25 PM
A Batman TV show should be one part X-files, one part Angel, and one part Lost.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on November 22, 2010, 06:30:58 AM
Harley Quinn?
I know she generally works with joker, but do you think they could have her going on a revenge thing on behalf of joker?
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Post by: UncleBob on November 22, 2010, 08:06:30 AM
I know she generally works with joker, but do you think they could have her going on a revenge thing on behalf of joker?
Ugh... I hope not. Harley, while I love her to death, would be terribly out of place without being introduced with the Joker first.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 22, 2010, 09:43:09 PM
she doesn't fit into the story right now, she also wouldn't be around for years down the line in a regular batman universe
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Post by: Stratos on November 23, 2010, 09:21:43 PM
If Ledger was still alive do you think Joker would have been included in Batman 3? Because it would have been a perfect setup for introducing Harley Quinn as she works with Joker in Arkham.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 23, 2010, 09:39:18 PM
If he was still alive yes, I would imagine he would be an ongoing character. From the sounds of it originally he was going to be in both the dark knight and its sequel, but alas. It must have been extremely difficult for Nolan to figure out what he is going to do next. My sugestion for all those hoping for your fan favorites to appear in the next Batman is ask yourself "do they fit?", "would it be contributing to the story?", "how does it move the characters along?", "how would they be introduced?", "were there hints in the last movie?", "does this character stem from a cold plotline?", "if this were a stand-alone movie, would the introduction to this character make much sense, or would I have to be an expert on this series, or Batman in general?"
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 23, 2010, 10:55:57 PM
Rumor has it that Dark Knight Rises is going to be at least partially based on the Batman story Prey.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 24, 2010, 12:16:40 AM
I'm predicting a CGI Heath Ledger Joker for at least part of the movie, or maybe some footage that wasn't used in the Dark Knight.
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Post by: UncleBob on November 24, 2010, 12:33:30 AM
It's my (limited) understanding that Nolan took Ledger's death pretty hard. I can't imagine him agreeing to CGI him into the movie.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 24, 2010, 01:09:00 AM
Ok, he'll be made out of paper mache then.
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Post by: UncleBob on November 24, 2010, 01:22:03 AM
The most I expect is perhaps a shot of his door at Arkham with his laugh in the background.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 24, 2010, 01:06:21 PM
i think Nolan in an interview mentioned he wouldn't be in the new movie at all. The most id expect is what unclebob just said.
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Post by: Stogi on November 29, 2010, 03:04:44 AM
My guess is Poison Ivy and maybe Bane as a subvillian.
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Post by: broodwars on November 29, 2010, 03:43:40 AM
My guess is Poison Ivy and maybe Bane as a subvillian.
-_- Cute. Perhaps Mr. Freeze can be the main villain while he's at it.
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Post by: Stogi on November 29, 2010, 04:57:02 AM
I meant Ivy as the main villain and if necessary Bane as a possible subvillian.
I don't remember what bane's back story is but I remember him being cracked out on some sort of venom. Ivy giving him that venom seems like a nice tie between the two.
Edit: Bane as a subvillian would actually be a perfect way to introduce Talia since he was Ra's heir after Batman departed; thus setting her up for the eventual sequel.
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Post by: UncleBob on November 29, 2010, 08:37:07 AM
I meant Ivy as the main villain and if necessary Bane as a possible subvillian.
I don't remember what bane's back story is but I remember him being cracked out on some sort of venom. Ivy giving him that venom seems like a nice tie between the two.
Edit: Bane as a subvillian would actually be a perfect way to introduce Talia since he was Ra's heir after Batman departed; thus setting her up for the eventual sequel.
Bane's backstory differs depending on which continuity you use. As long as it's not as bad as the Bane in Batman & Robin. I would like to see Mad Hatter or Killer Croc, I don't think either have been in a live-action movie.
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Post by: ThePerm on December 01, 2010, 12:25:57 AM
ambiguous no
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Post by: Morari on December 01, 2010, 08:08:07 PM
I'd clamor for Egghead, but I don't think anyone but Vincent Price could do the role justice...
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Post by: nickmitch on December 01, 2010, 10:53:32 PM
If they use "The Man Who Broke The Bat" story line, then Bane would be a great villain.
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Post by: that Baby guy on December 01, 2010, 11:08:44 PM
I could only see them doing that if there were plans for more Batman movies. They could show what makes Batman who he is by using Azrael in the fourth movie as a foil, but it's a little convoluted that way.
If they went with the Knightfall storyline with Bane, I don't know how they'd conclude the movie without a Bat replacement.
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Post by: Stogi on December 05, 2010, 02:07:51 PM
Maybe they should conclude the movie with a Bat replacement.
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Post by: Stratos on December 07, 2010, 07:39:34 AM
Maybe they should conclude the movie with a Bat replacement.
Well, they have stated that they would like this Batman series to become like the James Bond movies and change out actors as the series progresses.
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Post by: ThePerm on December 07, 2010, 06:37:33 PM
i like the whole Hugo Strange talk that has been going on. It at least matches the plotline as far as the events that lead to it. The police are after Batman. I could see Catwomen being a minor villain, and Strange being a larger villain.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 08, 2010, 12:13:27 PM
Really? I thought it was the same one? I never much paid attention to the actors back when I watched it.
Michael Keaton in Batman and Batman Returns, Val Kilmer in Batman Forever, George Clooney in Batman & Robin.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 22, 2010, 03:02:06 PM
So, Anne Hathaway is going to be Batman?
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Post by: ThePerm on December 22, 2010, 11:57:55 PM
Some people are like is it going to be Talia or Catwomen? It can't be both? Some people would say "too many villains!", but isn't she more like an evil love interest than a villain?
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Post by: ThePerm on January 19, 2011, 04:38:47 PM
apparently its Bane and Catwomen, Hathaway as Ms. Kyle
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 19, 2011, 04:40:10 PM
Could be good, I'm a little apprehensive about them doing justice to Bane.
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Post by: ThePerm on January 19, 2011, 05:10:11 PM
how i see they'll do bane the christopher nolan way
In the fantastical versions of batman, bane is 7 feet tall and wears a contraption on his back that allows him to juice right then and there......but thats fucking stupid
i imagine in the nolan version Bane is a straight up gangster, he juices by regular means, but it makes him really aggressive and violent. Think breaking bad episode where the head gangster of this mexican cartel gets high on meth and beats the **** out of some guy. I can imagine Hardy being just regular heavyweight Buff, but not cartoon exagerated, running around with a luche libre mask on heists.
Catwomen, I imagine as some elite jewel thief with possible former spy training. Maybe she stole from Bane?
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 19, 2011, 05:22:31 PM
Bane has to present a big enough challenge to Batman though. Would a steroid mobster be enough?
Interestingly, Anne Hathaway was announced as Selina Kyle, not Catwoman. I bet she will be a jewel thief/cat burglar, but won't use the name or the costume.
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Post by: ThePerm on January 19, 2011, 05:33:22 PM
maybe he runs into her, doesn't catch her, and then the next time he sees her...she has ears on her suit
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/06/article-1159955-03C4315A000005DC-183_468x504.jpg) also, give this guy a mask
(http://wadelhardt.eu/B/Sb/Hoskins.jpg) i wished Bane worked for some gangster.....
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Post by: Halbred on January 19, 2011, 11:55:58 PM
Good choice for Annie Hathaway. Not so sure about Bane, though. Not necessarily the casting, but how Nolan will portray the character. Has he ever been anything but a 'roided-up bodybuilder who wanted to control the gangs in Gotham?
I'm also betting that Selena Kyle doesn't go by Catwoman, either. If anything, she'll be inspired by Batman at some point in the film, and we may see her beginning to fashion a costume toward the end of the movie.
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Post by: broodwars on January 19, 2011, 11:57:34 PM
I'm fine with Catwoman being in the movie, but why Bane? He's just not interesting enough to be the main villain in a Batman movie, not without some major rewriting of his character. It makes me wonder if there's a 3rd villain ala Batman Begins that we don't know about yet.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 19, 2011, 11:59:21 PM
In the Comics he was a cunning strategist who wanted to break the Bat. The creator of Bane described him as an evil Doc Savage.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 20, 2011, 12:02:11 AM
In the animated series he was also a pretty damn good villain, much more so than the crappy B&R version.
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Post by: ThePerm on January 20, 2011, 12:22:40 AM
yeah Bane in the comics is much more interesting. Sadly most people think of his stupidass Batman and Robin appearance. With Tom Hardy as bane, I can see how it could be done and be good. Think Kano from the first mk movie, in gotham with a luche libre mask.
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Post by: ThePerm on January 30, 2011, 08:20:41 PM
Holy Crap, I'm reading Prey and it fits right in after The Dark Knight.
