NWR Interactive => TalkBack => Topic started by: NWR_pap64 on June 02, 2010, 06:43:52 PM
Title: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 02, 2010, 06:43:52 PM
Discuss here our latest feature "The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming": https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/specialArt.cfm?artid=23126 (https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/specialArt.cfm?artid=23126)
Here's day one: https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/specialArt.cfm?artid=23127 (https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/specialArt.cfm?artid=23127)
Day two: https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/specialArt.cfm?artid=23146 (https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/specialArt.cfm?artid=23146)
Day three: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/specialArt.cfm?artid=23147 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/specialArt.cfm?artid=23147)
Day four: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/specialArt.cfm?artid=23178 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/specialArt.cfm?artid=23178)
Day five: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/specialArt.cfm?artid=23179 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/specialArt.cfm?artid=23179)
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: Toruresu on June 02, 2010, 07:07:35 PM
Wow, awesome feature Pedro. Keep up the good work!
I've had a lot of emotional moments in gaming, but one that deeply scarred me was, of course, Zelda Ocarina of Time. Exiting the church/shrine building were the master sword is, and noticing the town was destroyed/abandoned and full of zombies was an emotional moment for me.
I'll be waiting for the next installment of the series.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on June 02, 2010, 07:16:31 PM
When I tried clicking the link through the main page I got a pop-up window saying "Restricted Access: IP logged" and then sent back to the main page.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: greybrick on June 02, 2010, 07:22:16 PM
When I tried clicking the link through the main page I got a pop-up window saying "Restricted Access: IP logged" and then sent back to the main page.
The same thing happens to me, and only when I use the main page link. The link from the talkback thread works just fine.
Ouendan seemed like a strange pick to me, but perhaps the original version is less corny than EBA. This may have just been because I found the music in EBA to be obnoxious.
Two emotional moments I am hoping to see in this feature are the end of Wind Waker and the entirety of Mario Galaxy.
If the emotion you are looking for is apathy, disgust, or a distinct feeling of loss, you can do a feature on the presentation of a complete Pokedex to Prof. Oak in Red/Blue. I was expecting to get Mew, maybe some in-game fireworks, and at the least a victorious jingle.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: Pale on June 02, 2010, 07:23:48 PM
Fixed it.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 02, 2010, 07:25:44 PM
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: greybrick on June 02, 2010, 08:39:40 PM
@ShyGuy
That scene was the first and only time I cried during a video game. It was a single, manly tear, but a tear nonetheless. I was in middle school at the time so that may have impacted my emotional state :P:
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: AV on June 02, 2010, 09:06:07 PM
great idea for a feature but I think a podcast would work really well too.
Watching the trailer to Twilight Princess for the first time, and Wind waker. Both were very emotional to me
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: UncleBob on June 03, 2010, 01:29:27 AM
Link's Awakening. Watching the Island you worked to save disappear into nothing. I mean, you knew by this point that the island was a dream, but you still expect to save everyone on it. Instead, they all vanish without a trace..
Do I have to spoiler such an old game? ;)
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: broodwars on June 03, 2010, 02:13:22 AM
Probably the two most emotional moments in a Nintendo game that I can think of both come from Zelda games: Majora's Mask (when you summon the Giants on the 3rd day and the Oath to Order kicks into full gear) and Twilight Princess (when you are ferrying a mortally injured Midna to aid in the rain while a sad rendition of their theme plays in the background). Following shortly thereafter is the End of the World from Majora's Mask, also just because the music just sells it. The Baten Kaitos games had some nice moments as well, but that was before Nintendo owned Monolith.
Unfortunately, outside of Zelda I can't think of many notable narrative moments in a Nintendo game. I know people are going to be quick to throw in the cliched response of the Super Metroid ending, but I hope this feature doesn't go that obvious.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 03, 2010, 02:35:55 AM
Unfortunately, outside of Zelda I can't think of many notable narrative moments in a Nintendo game. I know people are going to be quick to throw in the cliched response of the Super Metroid ending, but I hope this feature doesn't go that obvious.
That's what I am hoping to accomplish with this feature. Unfortunately, some entries will likely be cliched, but I will try to include other moments as well as evaluate the game's entire emotional package.
Hence why I said that whenever this subject arises people go for the obvious ones (the death of Aeris, the mystery of Bioshock etc.).
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 03, 2010, 03:18:19 AM
The most emotional moment for me was when Reggie prepared a short teaser video for users trying to snoop around NOA's E3 2004 homepage ahead of the event.
"DON'T MAKE ME DO IT, I'LL TAKE YOUR NAME"
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: MegaByte on June 03, 2010, 03:54:07 AM
I thought the final level in Ouendan was also a very powerful story because it brings together the characters from the previous stories as well as EVERYONE ON THE ENTIRE PLANET to will away the destruction of the earth by sheer willpower, and the song and rhythm only enhanced the feeling. The connection among the people and the Ouendan was made real. EBA and Ouendan 2 had similar epic final levels, but Ouendan did it first. (Actually, I was wondering how they could possibly top the destruction of the Earth by an asteroid, but the death of the sun certainly did it!)
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 03, 2010, 05:06:51 AM
I thought the final level in Ouendan was also a very powerful story because it brings together the characters from the previous stories as well as EVERYONE ON THE ENTIRE PLANET to will away the destruction of the earth by sheer willpower, and the song and rhythm only enhanced the feeling. The connection among the people and the Ouendan was made real. EBA and Ouendan 2 had similar epic final levels, but Ouendan did it first. (Actually, I was wondering how they could possibly top the destruction of the Earth by an asteroid, but the death of the sun certainly did it!)
The feeling of frustration is also an emotion the final stage did well :p .
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: MegaByte on June 03, 2010, 05:24:08 AM
Yeah, they fixed that in the sequels.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: RABicle on June 03, 2010, 05:41:24 AM
(http://www.mariowiki.com/images/5/58/Fastkoopa65.jpg) After you beat him is :(
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 03, 2010, 02:59:21 PM
Day two is up! Greybrick will be pleased :)
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: King of Twitch on June 03, 2010, 03:22:48 PM
And why would I care about the Lumas exploding? Just because they're cute I have to feel sorry for them?
Well sorry for not shedding a tear, considering they're a bunch of greedy SOBs and took all my star bits.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: Ian Sane on June 03, 2010, 04:38:45 PM
I think just the fact that this topic exists is good incentive for Nintendo to not be so lazy with storytelling. Here is an example of their fans having an emotional connection to something in one of their games. I would assume that Nintendo would consider that to be success. If people connect with the game then you made a good game that you can be proud of.
Sorry to bring up Super Mario Galaxy 2 again but here is why the lazy storytelling in that game is inexcusable. If Nintendo thinks that they can get away with cutting corners on this then we're not going to get any more moments like we're talking about here. The Wii ____ series does not create moments. Rehashing the "Peach invites Mario to the castle but OH NOES BOWSER kidnaps her!!" storyline does not create moments. Gameplay and story don't have to be mutually exclusive. And we know that even though Nintendo isn't really known for their stories they are capable of creating those emotional moments if they put some effort into it.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 03, 2010, 06:29:40 PM
You know I personally feel that music is one of the best ways for creating an emotional reaction from someone. In Super Mario Galaxy the music can be uplifting. As in Toy Time Galaxy. A sense of danger as in the Bowser levels. To sad as in the final moments of the game when Mario is watching the Lumas be sucked into a Blackhole.
I read somewhere a few years back that music or sounds can remind people of certain memories or create new memories.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: Armak88 on June 03, 2010, 08:13:22 PM
Alan Moore wrote short book called "Writing for Comics," where he espouses on how he feels comic book writers should strive to tell stories, but also how writers should tell their stories. One of the most important parts of this is choosing the appropriate medium for the story you want to tell, and to accompany that, to exploit the attributes of that medium which make it unique. This is where I feel like video games are still in their infancy. Not very often are stories in video games more effective because they are on video games. That is why I think that this feature is important. By locating emotional moments in games I think you can get a better grasp on what makes the medium effective in a way that is unique from movies, books or comics.
I actually think that Nintendo has a greater grasp on this concept than many other "story" heavy games. Because of the interactive nature of video games, the player can become connected to the protagonist, and to the world more than in another medium. That's why I enjoy Nintendo games so much, the narrative is your experience in the game, and the sparse moments when your control is taken away are used to punctuate and add inflection to that narrative. I also enjoy games like FF, but I have enjoyed the narrative appeal less with each iteration, as they become more about exposition, and to be honest, the narrative content isn't strong enough for that. This is why I will never play another Metal Gear after I stopped playing two. To paraphrase, Alan Moore says that typically, books tell and movies show, but comics are in the unique position to do both and they should utilize that to get the most out of their narratives. To me, video games aren't about telling or showing as much as they are about doing. You want to see truly interesting narratives that push the envelope of the medium, then more video game writers and developers should start there.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on June 03, 2010, 08:51:25 PM
To me, video games aren't about telling or showing as much as they are about doing. You want to see truly interesting narratives that push the envelope of the medium, then more video game writers and developers should start there.
Well said. I think video games have the potential to be the most emotionally involving medium if they weren't always trying to be Hollywood movies. Consider if Old Yeller were a video game. In the end, when the dog has rabies and has to be put down, how much more heart-wrenching would it be if you actually had to shoot him yourself? Except no video game developer would leave it at that. You'd be able to grind wild hogs for a few more levels and save the dog in the "good ending."
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: yoshi1001 on June 03, 2010, 10:43:03 PM
What about that part at the end of Hey You, Pikachu! where you have to say goodbye (literally) to Pikachu and send it back to the forest? That still makes me cry a little when I think about it.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: Tansunn on June 03, 2010, 11:23:39 PM
It may have never been officially localized, but Mother 3 deserves a huge spot in this series. I felt a HUGE range of emotions over the course of that game.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 04, 2010, 04:28:46 PM
Day three is up. It's Eternal Darkness.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: Ian Sane on June 04, 2010, 07:07:10 PM
Eternal Darkness is in retrospect kind of a frustrating anomaly in Nintendo's history. We're in the N64 era and Nintendo is making some of the best games ever. But with the system relying so much on first party software, Nintendo's weaknesses as a game developer are exposed. As talented as they are they often have weak stories and they don't like making mature content. Bringing in Silicon Knights suggested that Nintendo was very aware of these weaknesses and was making the effort to address them. Here was a company where story and mature content was part of their mission statement. They were going to fill a gap that Nintendo themselves couldn't (or wouldn't).
Eternal Darkness was the first output of this Nintendo/SK team and though I feel the game has some flaws, it was a great first effort and it really was doing something different from the typical Nintendo title. Here is Nintendo providing variety and the future looks bright.
But then they used SK to port Metal Gear Solid and the companies parted ways shortly after. Okay, SK hasn't exactly delivered the goods since then but would that have been the case if it was the Nintendo/SK team? I think the TEAM was everything and I feel the same way about Rare.
When the Gamecube was nearing launch it was like Nintendo had this nice little team of devs. They had SK, Rare, Retro and Left Field with Factor 5 as an independent that they were on good terms with as well. All of these teams were talented and complimented Nintendo in that they were good at the things Nintendo sucks at. To me this was an ideal way for Nintendo to provide a more varied lineup without their Japanese teams being forced to do things they don't like. Now only Retro remains and they've only released one Wii game. And Nintendo's lineup has never felt less varied. Everything feels mostly the same, not necessarily in gameplay but clearly in style and feel. When Nintendo does work with another team it's almost always an unremarkable dev that is assigned to make the same sort of stuff EAD themselves would have made if they had the time to (except it isn't as good since it isn't the same level of talent). Nintendo still sucks at the same things and makes no effort to address that, or even acknowledge that they care.
Breaking up that team, to me, felt like a sports team rebuilding through the draft only to give up on their prospects after a season or two because they didn't win a championship right away. Every team except Retro more or less made one game on the Cube and then were sold off or given up on. It often feels like when Nintendo doesn't want to do something they do a token effort to act like they addressed the issue only to put no real effort into it and then go back to the status quo after the idea "fails". It appeared that Nintendo was addressing their shortcomings with that team of devs but considering how quickly they gave up and how they have made no effort since then, it really looks like they never really cared. It was like NOA was giving something a try and NCL didn't like it and looked to kill it the first chance they did.
Eternal Darkness is the biggest Nintendo "what if".
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 04, 2010, 07:29:56 PM
Yeah, Eternal Darkness wasn't a perfect title. But it had a lot of quality to it. It was different from any kind of horror game, and in many ways it became a Nintendo title along the way.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: greybrick on June 06, 2010, 01:11:31 AM
Although, I feel as if you could have an entirely different discussion if you were to only talk about the ending of Mario Galaxy. That was some messed up stuff.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 07, 2010, 05:23:38 PM
Day four is up! And I am willing to bet this one will raise a few eyebrows...
Indeed. The only "emotion" Wii Sports inspired in me was boredom. I only cared enough to play about 5 minutes in every game type, and then the disc went up onto my shelf to rarely be touched again (unless I felt in the mood to play 5 minutes of bowling).
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 07, 2010, 06:03:12 PM
Wii Sports is a very exceptional case in that the game doesn't asks you to react emotionally to it. The previous games in this feature pretty much expected you to emote when their respective scenes happened (Be sad for the Lumas in Galaxy, be scared at the sanity effects in Eternal Darkness). But Wii Sports doesn't asks you to emote nor to have a deep connection to it. It just wants you to play the games and have fun.
The emotion lies in how the game was so inviting that everyone could truly play it and have fun. This created a very unique social gaming experience in which you didn't exactly have to be the best player in order to interact with everyone else (which is the case in games like Super Smash Bros. Brawl). The Miis, as I explained in this review, also helped.
It's been said that the reason Zelda and Mario have been so successful is because in the first games the characters didn't have an expansive storyline. They were avatars for the players to control, but along the way they became an extension of the player, thus creating an emotional connection between the player and the game character. The Miis take this idea further by letting you create your own characters in YOUR likeness as well as the likeness of others. In this regards, Wii Sports creates a personal experience for many.
People often forget that happiness, pleasure and satisfaction are genuine emotions that may not be as strong as anger or sadness, but they are indeed human emotions. We as gamers often forget that games primarily existed to be enjoyed, to have fun with and for everyone to enjoy. This was a common feeling in the early days of gaming. I believe Wii Sports brings back that emotion of fun and happiness that was once seen in classic gaming. But rather than asking the players to have a very high level of skill to enjoy the game, it just wanted you to play, and thus everyone could have a great time regardless if this was their first time ever or they have been gaming since birth.
I know no one is going to see it this way since Wii Sports is the complete opposite of what developers want to create and what gamers have come to expect in games. On that note, I don't expect anyone to have any emotional connection since emotions are subjective. But I know that many people and gamers have great emotional experiences because of this game because of the things I just mentioned. It's an example of how gameplay CAN create emotional responses in people without having to jerk them around in order to get a reaction.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 07, 2010, 06:11:55 PM
Pap I agree with you. It does bring people together and brings out happy emotions while playing with other people. While most of the other games in this feature are single player games maybe people are so used to people playing by themselves and having experiences to themselves. Everybody wants their experiences to be personal. So something like Wii Sports gets criticism for including others.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: Ian Sane on June 07, 2010, 06:16:04 PM
Wii Sports was an emotional experience for my Dad who had a big smile on his face when he first tried it. I noticed a similar smile on a lot of people's faces at a work related function when the Wii was brought out.
I never really felt this sense of joy playing Wii Sports. I enjoyed it, sure, but I enjoy lots of videogames. There was a sense of "oh this is neat" as it was my first exposure to motion control. But it didn't stick. The game got dull very quickly and motion control lost its novelty. Actually Wii Sports triggered my first case of motion control RAGE - the feeling of severe anger that occurs when a game grossly misinterprets your gesture causing you to lose. I don't think anger is the type of emotional response Nintendo was going for.
The sense of joy I observed in others is very much like the sense of joy I had when I first played Super Mario World. No, I am not comparing Wii Sports to the brilliance of Super Mario World. The thing is my mom was very anti-videogame (and anti-fun and anti-comfort and anti-convenience) so I didn't have an NES and the only real gaming time I could get was if I could get a quarter off my Dad to use at an arcade machine (I also had no allowance so even this was rare). My brothers and I saved up our money and bought ourselves a SNES (we had been saving for an NES so that should show you how long this took). Thus Super Mario World was the first game where we truly got a chance to sink in serious play time.
Part of the thrill was that it was more or less my first videogame. When one is not so familiar with videogames just simply playing a game is a sheer thrill. The joy my Dad had playing Wii Sports was that "first game thrill". He had never really even tried videogames before. Wii Sports had a unique draw in the motion control to convince people, who had (largely arbitrarily) decided not to, to play a videogame. It is a great example of videogame marketing.
Games like Pong, Space Invaders, Pac-Man, Super Mario Bros. have similar emotional response. For many one of those games could have provided the "first game thrill". There is considerable emotional attachment to titles like Halo or Final Fantasy VII because for many they were an introduction to a genre. In fact they have a strong connection in that like Wii Sports those that were already familiar with the subject material wondered exactly what the big deal was. I'm sure some Nintendo fans will claim to identify with the emotional connection to Wii Sports but I think they would be lying to themselves. Not lying about their enjoyment of the game but rather the emotional connection. It just isn't the same as if Wii Sports was your first videogame.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 09, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
Day 5 is up, featuring Chibi-Robo! http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/specialArt.cfm?artid=23179
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: Caliban on June 09, 2010, 10:27:16 PM
Chibi-Robo's awesome.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: Gaviin on June 11, 2010, 08:37:55 AM
I like this series of articles, but I had to bring this up. Does NWR have a copy editor of any kind?
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With this final line, we are assured that the sacrifice of the Lumas wasn’t in bane...
In "bane"? Come on, guys...
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on June 12, 2010, 05:04:11 PM
I was gonna say this was a silly article until I saw what #1 was. Way to go!
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: IceCold on June 12, 2010, 11:13:44 PM
Emotions are for pansies.
Title: Re: The Most Emotional Moments in Nintendo Gaming Talkback Thread
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on June 13, 2010, 01:20:35 AM
