Gaming Forums => General Gaming => Topic started by: MaryJane on May 29, 2010, 11:10:22 AM
Title: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on May 29, 2010, 11:10:22 AM
1. What are you expecting?
2. What are you hoping?
3. What will surprise you? __________________________________ 1. I'm expecting most journalists to tout the graphical advantages of Move and Natal over the Wii while ignoring the Wii's simplicity,--one of the Wii's biggest draws to the blue ocean crowd--price, and the fact that Nintendo pioneered the technology to much laughter and doubts from the two companies they will be lauding for their 'innovations' and graphics. They'll probably also be casting serious doubt over the 3DS unless of course it is everything I hope it will be: GC graphics in 'good enough for a portable' 3D, serious internet client capable of VoIP, and media player.
2. I'm really really REALLY hoping Nintendo shows the next Zelda and that there is more than one control option... the idea of them simplifying the controls after we finally have motion plus is irritating to me. Also that the 3DS is everything I hope it will be.
3. I would be surprised if Nintendo steals the show away from Microsoft and Sony. Despite the 3DS being debuted, and possibly new Zelda with hordes of other seemingly A+ Wii games, MS and Sony are going to be bringing their best performances to show off their "new" ideas to an audience of "hard-core" gamers who already favor them. As a fan of all three systems, I have to say I am overall uninterested in Move and Natal, but I still think this is going to be one of the best non-system launching E3's.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: KDR_11k on May 29, 2010, 03:39:31 PM
When is E3 anyway?
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: that Baby guy on May 29, 2010, 03:48:29 PM
The hubbub begins June 14 with a Microsoft Natal party thing, but it officially begins June 16. Most major press conferences are June 15.
I'd say my opinions, predictions, and all that jazz here, but we're working on a big E3 prediction feature at PixlBit, so I'm saving a lot of my ideas, even the crazy, for that, so I'll just make one guess for each of the numbers:
1: PSP2 will be a PSP with two sticks, better graphics, and a touchscreen, but nothing really new or innovative beyond what the PSP already does.
2: A new Smash Bros, with the promise of balance and downloadable gameplay/character tweaks. 2D Metroid with, unbelievable multiplayer functionality that fits the Metroid series perfectly some how.
3: Natal being an innovative, easy to use success. Kid Icarus anything.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: ShyGuy on May 29, 2010, 04:31:44 PM
Is it just me or is there very little in the way of new games to get hyped about?
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Stogi on May 29, 2010, 04:58:14 PM
Well that's because we don't know of any. Nintendo is hush hush these days.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Stratos on May 29, 2010, 05:10:12 PM
Release dates for Last Story and Xenoblade.
I have a feeling Wii Party and the Vitality Sensor will play a more major role in the conference than most people want, but I'm keeping optimistic about both.
Zelda Wii will not be playable but we will see teaser videos of it.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Stogi on May 29, 2010, 06:11:47 PM
It was already confirmed that Zelda will be playable.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 29, 2010, 06:15:55 PM
1. Zelda Wii coming this year
2. Pikmin 3 coming this year
3. Zangeki no Reginlev coming this year
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Shaymin on May 29, 2010, 06:16:33 PM
1. What are you expecting? Fanboy tears, plenty of .gifs and at least one person getting banned from the board for excessive ranting.
As for the content, I'm expecting the 3DS to show well, that something besides Zelda Wii will be day 1 for me from the Nintendo presser, and Move/"Wave" will go over like a fart in church because most of the software will be hi-res Wii Sports/Wii Play.
2. What are you hoping? That a 3rd party game that isn't Epic Mickey gets some time at the Nintendo presser, and that something is announced for the other 2 systems that forces me to save up and actually get one of them.
3. What will surprise you? The person who will tap Don Mattrick on the shoulder at the end of the Microsoft conference, and if something pulls a Scribblenauts and comes out of nowhere to be the game of the show.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Mop it up on May 29, 2010, 06:20:16 PM
To answer the three questions:
1. At least one new Mario game of some sort announced.
2. A new Smash Brothers involving only the Mario universe.
3. A Mario FPS game.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on May 29, 2010, 06:23:43 PM
Well that's because we don't know of any. Nintendo is hush hush these days.
Too true... even the things we know Nintendo is showing at E3 are still well kept secrets in a day and age when Vietnam is revealing new American phones every month...
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 29, 2010, 09:21:50 PM
It was already confirmed that Zelda will be playable.
Where? Last time I checked Nintendo only said they planned on showing it, I haven't seen any reports that they will have it playable. MaryJane, I don't think the new Zelda game will have other controls because Nintendo has already said it will require Wii MotionPlus. Mop, I really hope they never make a Smash Bros. style game with only Mario characters (it would never be called Smash Bros. anyways).
1)Details on the 3DS: confirmation of it's name (officially that is still just the codename, although it's expected to be the final name), it's release date/price, and pics/info on some launch games. Info on the new Zelda game (if it's not playable, then I guarantee it won't be out this year). Also, some more details on Pokemon Black/White.
2)Some info on the 5+ year old Kirby game that Nintendo continues to claim exists on every one of their release schedules as TBA. Also, some DSiWare games for big franchises (i.e. a Fire Emblem DSiWare game, a Tetris one, etc.).
3)Sticking to just Nintendo related information, it would surprise me to see Nintendo bring the Wii no Ma service (the Japanese video on demand service for Wii featuring TV shows, movies, and new content created specifically for the service) to other regions. I would be happily surprised if Nintendo announced a way to transfer DSiWar games from a DSi/DSi XL to the 3DS.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Stratos on May 29, 2010, 09:26:30 PM
It was already confirmed that Zelda will be playable.
I'm predicting in spite of that that the game will not be in playable form. It wouldn't be the first time Nintendo has not followed through on something announced before.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2010, 09:45:49 PM
something about making Zelda more approachable (referring to the controls) since it has become too complicated.
Also says that the artwork is very representative of the look,feel & story of the game. They made the controls mechanics before they worked on the look and feel of the game, they usually do it the other way around. Miyamoto want this game to be surprisingly new and pleasing to the fans.
The game will be a E3 and you will see how fun it is to play. [wish I was going :( ]
something about making Zelda more approachable (referring to the controls) since it has become too complicated.
Also says that the artwork is very representative of the look,feel & story of the game. They made the controls mechanics before they worked on the look and feel of the game, they usually do it the other way around. Miyamoto want this game to be surprisingly new and pleasing to the fans.
The game will be a E3 and you will see how fun it is to play. [wish I was going :( ]
Considering they keep saying it's coming out in 2010, it pretty much would HAVE to be playable if they expected people to believe that.
:P
That doesn't say it will be playable, just that it will be at E3. It could just be a Nintendo executive showing gameplay footage (thus showing how it can be "fun to play"),
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2010, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: from the linked translation
i have to revise the stuff i wrote a little bit since i just watched the vid about 1 hour ago and wrote it off my memory but i dont want to make a false translation of miyamoto stuff
- he says that the artwork shown is very important to the story - you will see after you play it on e3. you will see how fun the game is after you play it - two things were important : making something surprisingly new and satisfying the fans - usually they make a demo movie and finish the game according to that. this time they made game mechanics first.
I just paraphrased it since they were still editing in translations when I posted it.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on May 30, 2010, 06:13:32 AM
I am frankly going to be pissed if they blue ocean Zelda... I don't recall the controls being complicated at all... TP was great my favorite since OoT and I found the controls to be well executed, my only complaint being the lack of 1:1 sword control
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Stratos on May 30, 2010, 06:53:35 AM
Perm just reminded me of Epic Mickey. I want to see video and playable demos there for it.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on May 30, 2010, 10:09:56 AM
Perm just reminded me of Epic Mickey. I want to see video and playable demos there for it.
This is another game I was excited about until word came of it being changed:
Quote from: ign
Disney's upcoming reimagining of its iconic Mouse will make its E3 debut in LA this year, and we're looking forward to getting our hands on it to see just how it handles -- since we're already sold on the style of its art and environments, which twist classic Disney characters and theme park locales into a kind of dark, inky steampunk setting called the Cartoon Wasteland. It's rumored that this project, which was first revealed last fall, has been undergoing some pretty significant upgrades in both style and scope since we had our first look in October. Will the result be an even grittier game, or could the Big D have decided to reign in some of Epic Mickey's more extreme ideas? We'll find out in just a few weeks.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/109/1091182p2.html
Honestly, how likely is it that Disney would okay an already dark game to be even grittier? Imagine the parental backlash when a Mickey Mouse game is given the dreaded T rating instead of E-10+. Parents will complain that they or their young children can be/were fooled into buying the game by Mickey Mouse being on the cover and suddenly it will be pulled and replaced by The Epic Mike the Mouse. I bet they'd pull the game faster than those commercials showing Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears as Mousketeers after they both decided to show their "adult" sides. So my thinking is we'll probably get a good game that could have actually been Epic if not messed with, which my exact worry with Zelda and the "simpler" control scheme.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 30, 2010, 11:25:24 AM
I honestly am thinking this E3 will be much less revealing than we think.
1) Nintendo will announce and show the 3DS in some form, but no actual games will be demoed, just some videos of games in progress. Of those games I see Mario and Pikmin being used to showcase the system. And I predict they will want to demonstrate how 3D enhances both traditional 3D games and 2D games alike. Besides that I expect Zelda and a few other Wii games we already know about being demoed. I also expect some surprise game to be videoed and Nintendo talking more about the importance of partnering with 3D parties to get fresh takes on old franchises while allowing Nintendo to create new experiences.....and for the most part gamers being upset with those new experiences.
2) I expect Microsoft to really push the media hype train on Natal. A killer game will be revealed and it will be amazing when played under the perfect conditions which Microsoft will set up and the media will eat it up as being truly revolutionary...and I expect some sort of answer to how games can be played without a controller...which includes the game scanning real objects to be used in the interface as a controller.
3) Sony will have the most impressive tech with its Move. It will not waste too much time with casual experiences, but go for the hardcore traditional gamers market with its move at E3. It will push it as truly the ultimate move based system, and I believe Sony will deliver...but the costs will make people wonder if it is worth it.
4) I believe Nintendo will be holding many secrets that won't get out...and taking notes on how Sony and Microsoft position themselves, and I believe 2011 Nintendo will strike with a new console that further advance the motion experience and full interaction Nintendo has set up to create. None of this will be revealed until later this year at the TGS or some Nintendo Press Event. Unfortunately, 3rd parties won't know about the system for the launch and it will have a rather weak launch line up.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2010, 11:45:51 AM
I honestly am thinking this E3 will be much less revealing than we think.
2) I expect Microsoft to really push the media hype train on Natal. A killer game will be revealed and it will be amazing when played under the perfect conditions which Microsoft will set up and the media will eat it up as being truly revolutionary...and I expect some sort of answer to how games can be played without a controller...which includes the game scanning real objects to be used in the interface as a controller.
I'm pretty sure Sony already patented that feature.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Mop it up on May 30, 2010, 03:07:47 PM
I'm not worried about Zelda, I wonder if the "simplified" comment may be being misconstrued. Swinging the Wii Remote to control the sword is already a more simplified method of control than pressing a button. The reason is because the motion of swinging a sword is familiar to most people, so it is an easier concept to grasp. "I move the controller here and the sword goes there, hey that was easy!" That's much easier to understand than "If I'm standing still and press "B" I do a horizontal slice, if I'm moving forward I do a vertical slice, if I'm Z-targeting I do... wait, run that by me again?"
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Kytim89 on May 30, 2010, 03:50:11 PM
Here are some of my predictions for E3 2010:
Conduit 2 will get a new gameplay video and release date
Last Story and Xenoblade will be revealed with gameplay and release date
Grand Theft Auto wii ;D
Final Fantasy 6 for the VC
New Super Mario Brothers wii 2 will be teased
New Super Mario Brothers 3DS
Super Smash Brothers 3DS
Star Fox 3DS
Kid Icarus wii
Metroid Prime 3DS
Wiimote plus(built in motion plus)
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: stevey on May 30, 2010, 04:57:16 PM
1. What are you expecting? (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/n64/1275228496803.jpg)
2. What are you hoping? Less: (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/n64/1275227784494.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/n64/1244000142730.png)
I'm not worried about Zelda, I wonder if the "simplified" comment may be being misconstrued. Swinging the Wii Remote to control the sword is already a more simplified method of control than pressing a button. The reason is because the motion of swinging a sword is familiar to most people, so it is an easier concept to grasp. "I move the controller here and the sword goes there, hey that was easy!" That's much easier to understand than "If I'm standing still and press "B" I do a horizontal slice, if I'm moving forward I do a vertical slice, if I'm Z-targeting I do... wait, run that by me again?"
Agreed, but large portions of their blue ocean strategy have been accomplished: tons of new gamers, and the return of old gamers who gave up but now like playing NSMB holding the remote like the classic NES controller. The last thing--that I remember--is to have casual gamers buying games they would not have normally, Zelda is for many Nintendo's best game, what better way to bring over casuals than with your best software? I'm worried they'll take away the nunchuck control option and have you switching back and forth on how your holding the Wiimote, and have link either auto-dodge in the direction of your sword swings, or pressing b while swinging makes him dodge. If they do something like that, I'm just hoping they'll let you choose how you want to play Stevey: lol that was great. The girl is a sword! Classic
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Adrock on May 30, 2010, 08:20:34 PM
1. What are you expecting? - A short pre-recorded clip of Barack Obama introducing a new trailer of NBA Jam... since clearly he's a hidden player - New Super Mario Bros. 3D launching with 3DS - God of War: Ghost of Sparta, playable and awesome, launching this year - Gears of War 3, playable and awesome - Final Fantasy Versus XIII, showing progress - Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, playable and awesome - Natal will be lame - Every Move game getting slaughtered by Zelda - The Last Story coming to US this year, before Zelda - Epic Mickey will be so awesome, I'll be forced to add that to my already extensive list of videogame purchases this year - Metal Gear Solid Rising, officially unveiled
2. What are you hoping? - PSP2 doesn't ditch physical media - New Super Mario Bros. 3D, based on Super Mario Bros. 3, launching with 3DS... I would jizz - Nintendo apologizes for Friend Codes, releases info on revamped online system for 3DS and, by extension, the successor of the Wii - Final Fantasy VI remake on 3DS - Metal Gear 3DS
3. What will surprise you? - Steampunk Zelda - Nintendo unveiling their next generation console, no concrete details except it's HD, backwards compatible, and has a secret innovative function - Nintendo partnering with Google to bring the Android Market to 3DS - Kid Icarus... it's not happening - Starcraft: Ghost - Kingdom Hearts 3... for a Nintendo home console
I'm pretty sure Sony already patented that feature.
Since when did that ever stop anyone from flat-out copying an idea or engineering a workaround that basically does the same thing? Isn't that why Playstation Move even exists?
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Mop it up on May 30, 2010, 09:47:32 PM
Zelda is for many Nintendo's best game, what better way to bring over casuals than with your best software?
Nintendo's best software is highly subjective; I'd guess a majority of Wii owners find the best Wii games to be Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mario Kart Wii, etc. Zelda is an entirely different game than those, and I don't see it appealing to such people no matter how much they changed it. I'd think Nintendo knows that, and although they might implement some new user-friendly features like the Super Guide or hint videos, the core game will be the same (just like it is in NSMBWii, SMG2).
If there is a Wiimote-only control style, there will likely be an option to use the Nunchuk, like in New Super Mario Brothers Wii, Mario Kart Wii, and a host of other games.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Caterkiller on May 30, 2010, 11:45:50 PM
I have no worries for the new Zelda. After NSMBW and Galaxy 2 I figure they know how to make the games for everyone. The last thing I want is more icons on screen with every button doing everything known to man. I like where control has been headed these days. Except for fighting games.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Peachylala on May 31, 2010, 12:31:53 AM
While I would love to see friend codes gotten rid of, don't forget that it's thanks to FCs that we don't have an X-Box Live.
...Though getting rid of FCs could result in paying for online.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 31, 2010, 07:57:55 AM
While I would love to see friend codes gotten rid of, don't forget that it's thanks to FCs that we don't have an X-Box Live.
...Though getting rid of FCs could result in paying for online.
I'm going to be blunt here: if you don't want Nintendo's online to be like Xbox Live, you're a fanboy. Xbox Live completely nails the online experience. We'd be lucky to get something close to that good.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 31, 2010, 08:10:47 AM
While I would love to see friend codes gotten rid of, don't forget that it's thanks to FCs that we don't have an X-Box Live.
...Though getting rid of FCs could result in paying for online.
I'm going to be blunt here: if you don't want Nintendo's online to be like Xbox Live, you're a fanboy. Xbox Live completely nails the online experience. We'd be lucky to get something close to that good.
I think Peach meant without Friend Codes we'd have to pay for online like Xbox Live.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Adrock on May 31, 2010, 11:13:15 AM
I think insanolord meant that $50 is worth the price of admission for an online experience like Xbox Live.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 31, 2010, 11:36:49 AM
The Xbox Live experience is the best online experience. And I am willing to pay $50.00 a year for a service such as Xbox Live on Nintendo.
Realistically, friend codes aren't bad though. I believe it is important to a system set up to safeguard the online experience. However, I believe it should be done by the console within the OS instead of by game. If the options are powerful enough you can even grant some friends voice chat privileges while others don't. And parents can put parental guards up that would lock all voice chat out until they approved the friend. If it was done this way friend codes would not have been a problem.
As for Nintendo needing to create a better online experience that is a given, and Xbox Live literally defined the Xbox as the definitive online console this year and everyone else isn't even playing catch up...they are miles behind it.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Peachylala on May 31, 2010, 01:14:13 PM
While I would love to see friend codes gotten rid of, don't forget that it's thanks to FCs that we don't have an X-Box Live.
...Though getting rid of FCs could result in paying for online.
I'm going to be blunt here: if you don't want Nintendo's online to be like Xbox Live, you're a fanboy. Xbox Live completely nails the online experience. We'd be lucky to get something close to that good.
I think Peach meant without Friend Codes we'd have to pay for online like Xbox Live.
GP nailed what I said. I would love Nintendo to do something like that, but I will not shell out $50+ dollars for the service.
$15 is a reasonable range for me.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Adrock on May 31, 2010, 02:26:17 PM
I don't think Xbox Live is miles ahead of Playstation Network. The experiences are comparable and PSN is free. $50 is more than reasonable though. If I played online games with any kind of regularity, I wouldn't mind paying $50.
The Wii System Code should have sufficed, but Nintendo insisted on per game Friend Codes which was super lame.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on May 31, 2010, 03:16:16 PM
I don't think Xbox Live is miles ahead of Playstation Network. The experiences are comparable and PSN is free. $50 is more than reasonable though. If I played online games with any kind of regularity, I wouldn't mind paying $50.
The Wii System Code should have sufficed, but Nintendo insisted on per game Friend Codes which was super lame.
I agree, and in this instance I actually hope Nintendo follows Sony's lead: continue to offer free service--though in Nintendo's case that still needs an upgrade--and offer a premium package for those who want all the bells and whistles. Whatever they do though friend codes have to go, [insert what everyone else said about them].
PSN is pretty good a few games have some issues like Uncharted but for the most part its a smooth and consistent experience, you can't really ask for more than that free.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 01, 2010, 04:41:06 AM
I want a system-wide friends list, and party based voice chat independent of any game like Xbox Live. Any other features they'd like to include would be great, but that's all I really care about.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Stratos on June 01, 2010, 05:08:56 AM
If they won't give us independent voice chat then at least a status feature where you can see which friends are online, invite them to games and see what they are playing would be nice.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 01, 2010, 04:13:00 PM
You realize that they would never be able to run anything even slightly close to Xbox Live in terms of features and accessability if people were only paying $15/year?
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2010, 04:37:07 PM
$15 a year x 70 million users / 50% = $52.5 Million a year in revenue.
How much does Xbox Live cost to run again?
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Ymeegod on June 01, 2010, 05:14:12 PM
Still waiting to hear about Tales of Graces, so far a port hasn't been announced.
Also excited about Epic Mickey and would love to see more gameplay.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 01, 2010, 05:44:13 PM
I think you mean localization, not port (port means being released on another system).
I have high hopes for Epic Mickey based on what we know about it, so I hope Disney gives Spector plenty of freedom in his design decisions.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: ThePerm on June 01, 2010, 06:00:44 PM
for months ive been thinking about how i would like to see a futuristic Zelda and a medieval Metroid
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 01, 2010, 09:40:26 PM
Ok, so $15 a year is not good (supposedly)
Well undercut Microsoft by have $25.00 a year would be plenty and probably add a profit margin.
Now, take that money and build a system that allows virtual console games to be played on the Wii and 3DS as a premium bonus, and you have a winning formula.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 01, 2010, 10:51:58 PM
Well that sure is a big number. I wonder if it might have any kind of basis in fact at all.
Oh right, it doesn't. Silly me.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2010, 10:57:59 PM
I just took $15 and multiplied it by all the Wii's sold to date and then divided that by half to be generous about online adoption to give a general figure to work with.
But you never answered the question; how much does Xbox Live cost to run per year?
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 02, 2010, 12:03:09 AM
But you never answered the question; how much does Xbox Live cost to run per year?
I couldn't tell you any specific numbers, but I know that $15/year would not run matchmaking and dedicated servers across all games for everybody who wants them.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: ThePerm on June 02, 2010, 12:14:16 AM
what if you had the choice of buying games, or buying 100 play hours for 9.99 a month?
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 02, 2010, 01:01:33 AM
Last year was the Best E3 Ever. Expectations are running high.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 02, 2010, 09:23:11 AM
I couldn't tell you any specific numbers, but I know that $15/year would not run matchmaking and dedicated servers across all games for everybody who wants them.
Do you have any actual info to support that or are you just assuming it? $15 would be more than enough. Besides, very few Xbox Live enabled games have dedicated servers, the majority of them use P2P connections (which is another reason EA only has themselves to blame by choosing to run dedicated servers).
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 02, 2010, 09:30:03 AM
Valve gives away Steam for free. There's absolutely no reason $15-20 a year shouldn't be enough to run a good service.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 02, 2010, 02:39:34 PM
Steam is a digital distribution service. That's it. It has nothing to do with matchmaking or servers, except on Valve games, whose dedicated servers are run by the people playing them, meaning that there would literally be no reason to have to pay for Steam. Matchmaking costs money too. You're still accessing their network in order to play the game. The total cost goes up every time somebody joins, so having less people isn't going to lower the individual price.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 02, 2010, 03:15:25 PM
Matchmaking costs money, but nobody except Microsoft (and now EA, if you buy it used) charges for it, so there's no reason to believe that they couldn't continue to not charge for it.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 02, 2010, 04:22:17 PM
I can't even think of any games that use matchmaking that aren't on PSN, which pretty much everybody has accepted is vastly inferior to Xbox Live.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on June 02, 2010, 07:30:14 PM
I can't even think of any games that use matchmaking that aren't on PSN, which pretty much everybody has accepted is vastly inferior to Xbox Live.
I would like to respond to what you said before the comma, but I don't even know what that means... lol there's a good chance it's just me so don't take offense to that.
I don't know about vastly inferior... there's just a few(sort of important)things missing, but the overall experience is satisfying. For one thing, its main purpose is served: you can extend the playtime of a game you bought by competing online and/or adding DLC. Most of the games I would play online on a 360 are on PS3 or can I get something 'close enough'. For online play having a great story or intriguing characters isn't really that important.
That is why I think the handheld market is going to be so important. Nintendo was right to say that graphics are reaching their peak, and to a certain degree so are game types. Nintendo is one of the few developers who still strive to create unique and amazing software titles. Media Molecule definitely deserves A LOT A LOT A LOT of credit for LittleBigPlanet, and I am anxious to see LBP2, but they're fairly new so let's see if they're going to be a one trick pony. There are only so many types of games you can make before repeating yourself, and that is why the experience is more important. I'm not going to prattle about that on the console side because Sony and MS are going to make that painfully apparent at E3. In the handheld department there are really on two competitors--I know about iLine of gadgets, but the people who play games on those things are either unlikely to have a DS or PSP or already have one, they doesn't really replace a dedicated system... yet--is Sony really going to make the PSP have two screens? They can give it a touch screen, but Nintendo is poised to move past that, and by the time Sony gives the PSP a 3D screen--which actually they may do rather quickly judging from the moves they are making in their non-video game divisions--Nintendo will be ready to offer a new experience while Sony will be offering more of the same. With MS's success and the increasing popularity of portables--hopefully about to be made to explode with the introduction of the 3DS and portable 3D without glasses--it is likely that a true third, and a fourth, fifth, and so on competitors may arise, but no one makes game experiences like Nintendo, and developers like to make money the Nintendo way.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Kytim89 on June 02, 2010, 10:01:40 PM
E3 2010: GIVE ME GRAND THEFT AUTO WII NOW!
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 02, 2010, 10:07:54 PM
Rockstar isn't going to be at E3 this year so the likelyhood of that happening is low Kytim.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Kytim89 on June 02, 2010, 10:21:01 PM
Rockstar isn't going to be at E3 this year so the likelyhood of that happening is low Kytim.
What about GTA 5?
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 02, 2010, 10:30:21 PM
The analysts jumped the gun and said that GTA 5 will be at E3 but Rockstar said they won't be at E3. So any IP that Rockstar has will not be shown because Rockstar won't be at E3.:)
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Caterkiller on June 07, 2010, 01:30:04 PM
Anyone think we'll finally see what Retro is up to? Man in 2 generations we have 3 games and one compilation, am I missing anything? I really want to see what they are working on. Something to please Ian i'm sure, at least until he finds out motion plus is required.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Caliban on June 07, 2010, 01:33:28 PM
It's a 2 hour presentation, so Nintendo should show what Retro is working on.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Ian Sane on June 07, 2010, 02:03:31 PM
Quote
Anyone think we'll finally see what Retro is up to? Man in 2 generations we have 3 games and one compilation, am I missing anything? I really want to see what they are working on. Something to please Ian i'm sure, at least until he finds out motion plus is required.
Well Motion+ will probably be a requirement for the new Zelda so by the time any new Retro game comes out I'll probably have one by then anyway.
Retro has been quiet for so long that I fear that they'll just announce Metroid Prime 4 or just something that is really not very interesting. Or Nintendo will do another Silicon Knights and have them work on some remake of a third party PS2 game. Or Nintendo will someday just quietly mothball them. Or sell them to Microsoft.
The time between games has just built up this level of anticipation that it would be so easy to disappoint. You know that if their next project isn't so hot that we'll have to wait YEARS before they move to something else. With a more prolific dev you might get something lame but then next year you get something else so it's not that big of a deal. But we haven't heard from these guys in almost three years. If they haven't been working on something cool, we won't get something cool from them for probably another four years since I doubt their next game is a 2010 release.
What if we just have another E3 with no news from Retro? What do we assume then? It's really seems like now is the time to show something.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: King of Twitch on June 07, 2010, 02:09:12 PM
They were waiting for 2010 so they could have two consecutive best game of the decade awards.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Stogi on June 07, 2010, 03:26:52 PM
Ian...you are forgetting Nintendo's new policy: Don't say **** until it's done. Retro hasn't released anything substantial for quite some time but that doesn't mean they are not working on anything. The average development cycle is roughly 3 years for something brand new (i.e. new game engine). Like you said, it's been almost 3 years so we should expect something. Just don't be so damn pessimistic. You don't have to be optimistic either, but with their track record I would assume one should be.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Caterkiller on June 07, 2010, 03:50:59 PM
Darn it Ian, why did you have to go and say the whole "sell to Microsoft thing"? I didn't even want to entertain the idea before it gets swept up by someone and rumors go around. Luckily I am only 0.0001% worried about that.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Ian Sane on June 07, 2010, 04:39:02 PM
Quote
Darn it Ian, why did you have to go and say the whole "sell to Microsoft thing"? I didn't even want to entertain the idea before it gets swept up by someone and rumors go around. Luckily I am only 0.0001% worried about that.
I honestly don't think that is going to happen. But man, it really is the trend isn't it. Split with Nintendo and move to an Xbox exclusive. MS is like the New York Yankees of videogames, picking up every free agent. Only the free agent ends up being kind of a dud so they're more the Yankees of the 80's or the New York Rangers of videogames.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Adrock on June 07, 2010, 07:16:51 PM
Retro, unlike Rare, seems to operate under the same principles that Nintendo itself does. Rare's titles were sloppy (until Miyamoto cleaned up their messes), always late, and often just crappier versions of Nintendo's own games. Retro is basically just Nintendo Texas.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 07, 2010, 07:43:14 PM
Probably because Rare was a second party studio that chose to work with Nintendo, while Retro Studios is a first party studio owned completely by Nintendo. I think Nintendo even said (or implied) that they let Rare go because their titles were frequently late and over-budget. Rare continued being like that after Microsoft bought them.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: ThePerm on June 07, 2010, 10:34:34 PM
we haven't heard from Retro for 3 years because they are working on something NEW. NEW takes longer than old. The first Metroid Prime had a couple of years of development before it went gold, but then after that the 2 sequels came out at regular intervals. The long break between now is mostly because of the 1& 2 ports to Wii and the new project. Whatever it is, it isn't Metroid. No telling if it is an entirely new killer app, or a revival of an old franchise. I'm hoping for something entirely new. Hopefully in 8 or 9 more days we'll know.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Shaymin on June 07, 2010, 11:05:03 PM
It's a 2 hour presentation, so Nintendo should show what Retro is working on.
You sure this is accurate? They've knocked everything out in an hour the last couple of years. (And a full third of both have been embarrassing at best for all involved, but we won't talk about that...)
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Ymeegod on June 07, 2010, 11:09:45 PM
Yeah, I wonder what Retro is working on myself--my money's on a standard FPS game with MP aplenty.
Also any word on Dragon's Quest X developer? Level 5 doesn't seem to be making it so who is and how long do we have to wait!
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on June 07, 2010, 11:13:01 PM
We were promised brand new IP's from Nintendo's studios awhile ago, and with Sony and MS showing off their 'let's copy Nintendo after we made fun of them' peripherals, it might be a good way to steal the show. A new (amazing) title from Rare would cause a stir, and Eternal Darkness 2 from Silicon Knights would be a gift that would just keep on giving. Of all the horror games I have ever played Eternal Darkness is the only one that really managed to scare me.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 07, 2010, 11:20:21 PM
An extra hour?
Finally, a whole hour dedicated to sales data and pie charts, just as I prayed for.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Caliban on June 07, 2010, 11:30:48 PM
It's a 2 hour presentation, so Nintendo should show what Retro is working on.
You sure this is accurate? They've knocked everything out in an hour the last couple of years. (And a full third of both have been embarrassing at best for all involved, but we won't talk about that...)
Finally, a whole hour dedicated to sales data and pie charts, just as I prayed for.
It's going to be a 2 hour presentation, or so I heard from IGN's NVC podcast (#77 I think). It makes sense because they've got to cover the 3DS's software line-up, price, capabilities, and that should take at most an hour. Not to mention they have to do some kind of presentation with the Vitality Sensor. Also the Wii, and DS software line-ups for the second half of the year following into next year. If they do show the new Zelda they will most likely also have a presentation for it to show how its played.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Stratos on June 08, 2010, 05:10:53 AM
We were promised brand new IP's from Nintendo's studios awhile ago, and with Sony and MS showing off their 'let's copy Nintendo after we made fun of them' peripherals, it might be a good way to steal the show. A new (amazing) title from Rare would cause a stir, and Eternal Darkness 2 from Silicon Knights would be a gift that would just keep on giving. Of all the horror games I have ever played Eternal Darkness is the only one that really managed to scare me.
There have been a number of new IPs released by Nintendo. Most of them have not escaped Japan though. Cosmic Walker, Span Smasher, Reginleiv, Tact of Magic, ASH, Soma Bringer, Disaster. Where are these? Not in North America that's for sure.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 08, 2010, 05:30:10 AM
There have been a number of new IPs released by Nintendo. Most of them have not escaped Japan though. Cosmic Walker, Span Smasher, Reginleiv, Tact of Magic, ASH, Soma Bringer, Disaster. Where are these? Not in North America that's for sure.
Actually Span Smasher is coming out in North America under the new name, FlingSmash. Plus according to some reports, the game is only going to be $30 as well which should make it a great deal.
NOA has said it'll be a summer release so I'd imagine we'll learn it's release date at E3 next week.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on June 08, 2010, 08:04:25 AM
When I said 'we', perhaps I should have said North America
All those games you listed look pretty good except FlingSmash which could probably benefit from a less bright (dare i say kiddie) environment.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 08, 2010, 05:41:45 PM
It's a 2 hour presentation, so Nintendo should show what Retro is working on.
You sure this is accurate? They've knocked everything out in an hour the last couple of years. (And a full third of both have been embarrassing at best for all involved, but we won't talk about that...)
Finally, a whole hour dedicated to sales data and pie charts, just as I prayed for.
It's going to be a 2 hour presentation, or so I heard from IGN's NVC podcast (#77 I think). It makes sense because they've got to cover the 3DS's software line-up, price, capabilities, and that should take at most an hour. Not to mention they have to do some kind of presentation with the Vitality Sensor. Also the Wii, and DS software line-ups for the second half of the year following into next year. If they do show the new Zelda they will most likely also have a presentation for it to show how its played.
You can't seriously believe they'll spend lots of time on real games. Ever since Nintendo changed the industry, E3 has always been about the latest casual non-game gimmicks, which is exactly what Nintendo will emphasize, along with sales data. The 2004-2005 golden years of the company are long gone.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 08, 2010, 05:59:34 PM
It's a 2 hour presentation, so Nintendo should show what Retro is working on.
You sure this is accurate? They've knocked everything out in an hour the last couple of years. (And a full third of both have been embarrassing at best for all involved, but we won't talk about that...)
Finally, a whole hour dedicated to sales data and pie charts, just as I prayed for.
It's going to be a 2 hour presentation, or so I heard from IGN's NVC podcast (#77 I think). It makes sense because they've got to cover the 3DS's software line-up, price, capabilities, and that should take at most an hour. Not to mention they have to do some kind of presentation with the Vitality Sensor. Also the Wii, and DS software line-ups for the second half of the year following into next year. If they do show the new Zelda they will most likely also have a presentation for it to show how its played.
You can't seriously believe they'll spend lots of time on real games. Ever since Nintendo changed the industry, E3 has always been about the latest casual non-game gimmicks, which is exactly what Nintendo will emphasize, along with sales data. The 2004-2005 golden years of the company are long gone.
Don't forget that over the past four or five years, the fundamentals of E3 have been radically altered a few times.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on June 09, 2010, 08:56:25 PM
With the rumor that Nintendo is allowing 3rd parties to show off 3DS games at E3, I wonder if developers will put more emphasis on their pretty new 3DS games, their Natal and Move games, or focus on their 'hardcore' games?
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 09, 2010, 09:00:35 PM
The fact that 3rd Parties get to show their 3DS games as early as possible is evidence that Nintendo won't be wasting their press conference time on 3rd Party projects.
Get ready for a glorious hour of sales talk.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 09, 2010, 09:07:28 PM
2 Hour Nintendo Press conference Time Block |----Sales----|-Vitality Sensor-|core games|--Casual games--|---Zelda Wii---|-----------3DS-----------|
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: stevey on June 09, 2010, 11:53:54 PM
2 Hour Nintendo Press conference Time Block |----Sales----|-Vitality Sensor-|core games|--Casual games--|---Zelda Wii---|-----------3DS-----------|
Hour 1 |-------Sales-------|--Vitality Sensor--|core games|-----Casual games-----|-Zelda Wii-|-------3rd party's------|--------3DS--------| Hour 2 |------------3DS/DSi hooked up like an eyetoy to the Wii with Nintendo executives making fools of themselves------------|
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on June 12, 2010, 10:35:04 AM
Okay so Nintendo is doing a two hour conference...
MS is holding a special event for the premiere of Natal on Sunday, then the following day is their E3 press conference, and then the day after that MTV is airing the Natal Premiere commercial free--and their agreement is quoted as being "a broad-ranging, first-of-its-kind programming partnership" so you can just imagine how many times MTV is going to replay it.
MS is marketing the hell out of Natal, something that Nintendo never does for its products. Yes the mystery surrounding the 3DS makes the 'core' gamers and journalists excited, but what does it do for the other 80% of Nintendo's customers?
Of course Natal still needs to be good to be truly successful, but marketing is proven to be effective--especially at the MTV audience--and you have to ask if MS is really willing to throw that much money into advertising a bad product? I still don't see the point of the thing, but perhaps MS planned it that way. They may actually have us is for a surprise, and as a 360 owner I would be glad if they do, but I really don't see it being a big thing. I think it will end up being more like a better version of expansion slot on the N64 (which was horribly underutilized btw) it will add features to the system and games, but it's not going to expand the market, and it won't be a necessary or overly used feature... I still hope I'm wrong about everything except the overly used part.
I don't know much about the Move as I'm not I don't own a PS3 so am not really interested, but their 'nunchuck' thing looks awkward to hold to me, but honestly, they copied from Nintendo so the Move as a whole is probably going to be pretty good. I'm doubtful about its reception for the same reasons as Natal's but done right with the camera, some interesting things could come out of this.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 12, 2010, 10:37:30 AM
Nintendo most certainly marketed the hell out of the Wii.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Adrock on June 12, 2010, 11:15:26 AM
Agreed. Nintendo never did anything like the Wii experience videos. They never had to. The Wii was something you had to see in action which then made you want to try it.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 12, 2010, 11:44:29 AM
Why would Microsoft want to do something with MTV again? Don't they remember the terrible premiere MTV did for the Xbox 360? I don't think anyone considered that good and MTV hasn't been relevant to pop culture in years.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 12, 2010, 11:53:25 AM
Don't forget that MTV marketed the hell out of the Xbox360 too and while it did help it sell more then the original Xbox, it didn't do it a whole lot of good.(I believe that Xbox360 enjoys padded numbers like the PS2 did from system replacements)
edit: TJ beat me to it, I should have hit the submit button many minutes ago.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 12, 2010, 04:23:08 PM
Not to mention that if Microsoft is trying to go after Nintendo's family audience, MTV is the last network these people are watching. The majority of MTV's audience is teenagers who probably already own a 360 anyway for games like Halo and GTA which are the types of games the MTV audience likes.
So yeah, Microsoft is already off to a poor start with their advertising then.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on June 12, 2010, 04:29:07 PM
Well tweens and pre-adults aren't really into the Wii as it isn't really 'hip' MS could be reaching out to a new audience, who depending on what Natal is, could bite. I live in New Jersey close to NYC and MTV/VH1 are still very relevant to pop culture... Ever hear of the TV show the Jersey Shore? The president has mentioned it...
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 12, 2010, 04:34:44 PM
That is pretty much the only popular show MTV has. I bet the only reason people in the NYC area still care is because that is where MTV is based.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 13, 2010, 02:54:41 AM
Well tweens and pre-adults aren't really into the Wii as it isn't really 'hip' MS could be reaching out to a new audience, who depending on what Natal is, could bite. I live in New Jersey close to NYC and MTV/VH1 are still very relevant to pop culture... Ever hear of the TV show the Jersey Shore? The president has mentioned it...
Like I already said, the people who watch MTV already own a 360 for games like Halo and GTA because these are the types of games the MTV crowd find cool. This is why it makes no sense for Microsoft to have a huge special on MTV when all they'll be doing is preaching to their own choir. If only the current Xbox fanbase buys Natal, then it's a failure because it didn't succeed in the one thing it was suppose to do.
The whole point of Natal is to help Microsoft take a bite out of Nintendo's audience that bought the Wii for games like Wii Sports and Wii Fit. Using MTV to premier it isn't going to help them since this part of Nintendo's audience doesn't watch MTV.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on June 13, 2010, 07:09:51 AM
I have to disagree; as with anything any company does the point is for it to be profitable. If they fail to expand their market but make $1 billion profit in 2-3 years from Natal I don't think they will be complaining. And yes the Wii marketing was stellar--for Nintendo. Do you not think MS will do a mall tour with Natal to show it off to people and let them play it like Nintendo did with the Wii? There will also be plenty of Natal video and not all like the gif in the Natal thread. I actually thought it might be cool in if in Fable III as you're playing you could quickly doing a throwing motion having the char throw a spear and then quickly regrabbing the controller do follow up attacks on an enemy.
Putting Natal on MTV ensure that craploads of people will have the idea of the it shoved down their throats, and if only 10% of MTV's 15-20 million 12-34 yr old viewers buys Natal for $100 or more plus 2-3 games for $60 or more, I think Microsoft would still consider it worth the money spent.
In 3 years the 360 outsold the original Xbox which had a 5 year life-span and MS now actually makes a profit on their Xbox division, so I would say they did something right, and I don't know... advertising just may have had something to do with that, I'm sure there were other factors, but how could they tell people about those factors without advertising on popular channels?
@TJ: Just because you don't like MTV doesn't make it irrelevant... MTV is not just popular in the NYC area, and if you believe otherwise you are crazy. Have you ever heard of the "of Love" series of shows, you know like Rock of Love which relaunched Brett Michaels career? Also believe it or not MTV still shows music video's and the last time I checked music was still popular...
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 13, 2010, 02:02:19 PM
Quit lyin', Everyone knows MTV hasn't shown "Music" in a long ass time. especially not in it's entirety.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: ThePerm on June 13, 2010, 04:49:33 PM
i thought Rock of Love was on VH1, I occasionally watch Vh1...in fasct im pretty sure it was on vh1.
I didn't much watch Bret Michaels Show, but i used to watch Flavor of Love and I love New York
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on June 13, 2010, 04:59:07 PM
VH1 is under the MTV 'family' of networks just like Nickelodeon and Comedy Central. Already confirmed to be also airing the Natal premiere are Nick at Nite and Logo--which is the Lesbian and Gay channel. Spike TV will be airing MS's E3 conference in it's entirety as well. So MS will not only be targeting just the people who watch the channel MTV but people who watch it's other networks as well.
I suppose I could have made that clearer from the beginning...
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 13, 2010, 06:31:20 PM
Yeah, I agree you could have. I assumed you were talking about MTV, not MTV Networks (which, as you pointed out, includes several channels as well as MTV Games). Airing the E3 press conference on Spike makes sense.
As for MTV's show, I just checked and the only music shows they have set for tomorrow is AMTV: Morning Hot Mix from 6AM-8AM. If you want music at a normal time, you have to check out MTV2 (but even that is starting to have less music).
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: ThePerm on June 13, 2010, 06:49:55 PM
i dont call those Mtv networks, i call them Viacom networks
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 13, 2010, 07:07:03 PM
VH1 is practically MTV, the rest is Viacom.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: nickmitch on June 13, 2010, 07:10:33 PM
If you want music, just get the cable (or satellite) package that includes MTV Hits and MTV Jams.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 13, 2010, 07:13:02 PM
People shouldn't have to do that. At this point MTV should just change their name (like when TNN became Spike TV, which is now just Spike).
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 13, 2010, 08:47:35 PM
Oh let the fun begin, Natal's final name is now Kinect.
•Kinect Sports has six activities including boxing, bowling, beach volleyball, track and field, soccer and table tennis. To serve a volleyball, you mimic the real motion; in soccer, you can kick the ball or do a header.
You know Microsoft, if your going to rip off Wii Sports at least think of a more original name that doesn't make it completely obvious.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 13, 2010, 10:46:46 PM
Your link leads me to nothing(XXXXXX on the USA Today site) and a google search leads only to USA Today and all they mention in actual articles is A Social Program called Kinect Adventures.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 13, 2010, 11:00:06 PM
They must have taken the article down or moved it, I just checked my browsing history and that is where the article was. Maybe they spilled the beans? All other sites mentioning the name that i've seen refer to the USA Today article.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 13, 2010, 11:28:34 PM
screen cap and post please
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Shaymin on June 13, 2010, 11:33:19 PM
Would the iPad version be acceptable? (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/tigerriot/edd2a127.jpg)
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 13, 2010, 11:42:10 PM
The fact that it said E3 was beginning "today" (this was posted about 4 hours ago) leads me to believe they weren't supposed to post that until tomorrow morning. The damage is already done though since every video game related site has already posted the news.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 13, 2010, 11:54:18 PM
Wasn't there a Natal showing suppose to happen today with Microsoft's Press conference happening tomorrow?
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Caliban on June 13, 2010, 11:58:18 PM
There's a leak out there on the X-Box 360 redesign. It looks like a modded PC...
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 14, 2010, 01:30:48 AM
There's a leak out there on the X-Box 360 redesign. It looks like a modded PC...
nevermind.... I got this one.
(http://imgur.com/3K1m0.jpg)
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: ThePerm on June 14, 2010, 03:40:57 AM
i like xbox 360 the way it is
lol italian !
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on June 14, 2010, 05:51:03 AM
Just quickly: Viacom technically own three companies: MYV Networks, BET Networks, and Paramount Pictures. Both MTV Networks and Paramount Pictures own other companies under their names: MTV owns the TV networks, and Paramount the movie studios BET Networks, is just the one channel. And also when I said MTV plays music videos I was again talking about all the channels, don't all basic cable packages come with at least MTV Hits now? The music video channels of MTV get decent ratings pre-primetime.
And here's a pretty good summation of the 'Kinect' premiere:
Quote
Almost everything was one person at a time, particularly in the Kinect Sports games. Even a game like beach volleyball or soccer was boiled down to individual "moments" of interaction that get strung together into some sort of competition. Even the running in place games were one at a time, though the river rafting and mining cart games (both with a similar mechanic of jumping and ducking through an obstacle course while picking up tokens) could be played with two people at a time. You can at least play games like volleyball simultaneously with someone else over Xbox Live.
An interesting mechanic we saw was a second player "jumping in" to a game. In the mining cart scenario, when the second player jumped in it immediately went split screen, while in soccer different players took turns by just jumping into position. Sure, some of this stuff was edited for our benefit, but it seems Microsoft is working to make the introduction of a second player or the switching between players something less button-heavy.
The Star Wars game was pretty badass-looking -- you play a Jedi, rushing down stormtroopers and deflecting laser bolts left and right, wielding a few Force powers, and confronting a certain deep-voiced Sith Lord for a one-on-one duel. Based on the gestures and action we saw, though, it was a pretty heavily scripted experience. Still, there's no scripting a two-handed light saber grip, and that particular action looked like everything we've ever wanted in a Star Wars game.
The yoga game is actually a pretty smart use of the infrared and joint detection software we espied previously. Positions were "checked" by points on the joint -- making it certainly harder to fake the moves on Wii Fit -- and it seemed to have a tai chi element to it. Your avatar glowed a more intense red based on your three-dimensional approximation -- bright red for hands stretched forward, for example.
Next up: Kinectimals, a baby tiger pet simulator. You can scratch its ears, snuggle, and teach the little guy to jump and play dead. Adorable? Dangerously so. No one can tell us the developer, but based on the lighting effects, art style, and similarities to the previously-shown Milo, we'd wager a guess that it was Lionhead Studios.
The Kinect menu interface is about as simple as could be. You wave your hand to control a glowing cursor of sorts, and you push forward to "click" on the element you want. Of course, there's also a very simplified version of the Dashboard to go along with this control mechanism, so it's unclear if you'll be able to do everything via subtle hand waves, but the Twitter, Facebook, Zune and Netflix icons were clearly present.
The MTV Games-developed Dance Central has some on staff divided -- only Ross will actually admit to being interested in playing it. A series of dance moves are presented, including elbow jabs, swinging leg, guitar, "rocking out" (with your hand in the air). The art style is akin to Rock Band / Guitar Hero, and to be fair, this is probably one of those games that can't be done as well on any other console.
In one of the official pics the guy demonstrating the Kinect has his arms bent as if he were an American football goal post, but his avatar has his hands out diagonally...
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Caliban on June 14, 2010, 09:38:46 AM
There's a leak out there on the X-Box 360 redesign. It looks like a modded PC...
pics people, links people, lets go lets go.
Sorry, Sir! I will do a better job next time, Sir!
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 14, 2010, 09:41:06 AM
MTV Networks and BET Networks are divisions, not companies (I won't get into the boring details of the difference). BET includes BET and BET Jazz. Most basic cable/satellite packages just include MTV and MTV2.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on June 17, 2010, 11:22:20 PM
So, the conference is over here are my impressions:
Nintendo obviously had the best conference, the 3DS is the biggest thing since sliced bread, for MS the Kinect did not go over so well, managing to look both glitchy and gimmicky at the same time, and for Sony the Move looked good because it pretty much replicates the Wiimote on an HD system. Though I have to say that it would really annoy me to have to calibrate the stupid thing before every game.
This was an E3 of consoles. Though for Nintendo it was a mobile console that still managed to out-impress its bigger and more powerful non-rivals.
All game announcements took a backseat to the three console upgrades(maybe more like additions for MS and Sony)announced, and for good reason: I'm excited about the 3DS games because they are on the 3DS. If they were on the DSi I would meh about most except Star Fox, since it MUST(or I will kill somebody at Nintendo) have online multiplayer. For the Kinect only the Star Wars game looked interesting to me, and they didn't show how it would integrate with 'normal' games like Fable III. And as big a fan I am of the Fable series Fable III didn't actually jump out much to me. I don't own a PS3 (though I play one often enough) so I didn't pay much attention to what games Sony showed off other than SOCOM which looked like a Wii shooter with good graphics.
I'd like to get other's impressions on the overall show, especially people who were there. :)
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Mop it up on June 18, 2010, 10:51:37 PM
Am I the only one who is completely underwhelmed by the 3DS? Granted, the 3D effect is the kind of thing which must be experienced to understand, but even trying to imagine it with the software lineup announced doesn't make the games interesting. It's mostly games which all have better versions on consoles, and even a few ports of old games. The only two games that looked enticing are PilotWings and Kid Icarus, but neither of them seem like anything which wouldn't be more engaging if they were released on the Wii.
Oh well. I guess I just don't understand the appeal of portables.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 19, 2010, 02:58:00 AM
Well there are a buttload of sequels coming out from various companies, that you really can't yet dictate as to whether or not the console versions will be superior.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Stratos on June 19, 2010, 06:45:21 AM
I'm just interested in it because it is the true next gen DS with prettier games and such. 3D effects are just a nice plus for me.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on June 19, 2010, 07:16:50 AM
I'm an idiot...
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: ThePerm on June 19, 2010, 07:40:33 AM
my biggest problem with playing games on ds was i didn't like moving the character with the touch screen. Now there is a joystick...plus the graphics aren't weak...so this doesn't look much different than playing a console to me.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 20, 2010, 01:37:22 PM
But you're still hunched over staring at a tiny screen that 99% of the room you're in won't be able to view.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on June 20, 2010, 01:39:26 PM
Why does the room you're in need to view your 3DS? Don't the wall talk enough already?
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: MaryJane on June 26, 2010, 10:38:16 PM
Just saw this, new motion capture technology shown at E3: http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/215667/the-most-impressive-thing-i-saw-at-e3/
Quote
Well, the bottom line is that it’s a groundbreaking 3D motion-capture system. No...wait...stay awake, come back. It’s not as dull as it sounds. Seriously. Unlike every other motion capture thing you’ve ever seen, this is a full performance capture system. It doesn’t just track movement, or grab animation data from actor’s faces as they speak their lines, it captures everything about an actor’s performance, and generates a fully-textured 3D model based on what it sees and hears.
Unlike the systems that we’ve all seen in countless boring magazine stories for the past 10 years with the little white balls glued to spandex body suits, MotionScan is much more sophisticated. It uses 32 high definition cameras (divided into 16 stereoscopic pairs) to capture every angle of an actor’s performance at 30 frames per second. From this data it generates a fully-textured 3D model (at the moment it’s just their heads, but later it will be full body) that incorporates every nuance, mannerism, and emotional detail from the performance.
The first demo was simple. An actor spoke some lines and smiled, and it was eerily realistic. As Bao and McNamara advanced through subsequent demos, the performances became more and more emotionally engaging until they eventually showed me a scene in which a character was shown distraught about the murder of his wife. As he sobbed through his lines, every line in his face broadcast the angst his character was feeling. His eyes welled-up, and tears streamed down his face. As the scene played out, Bao demonstrated that it was a realtime 3D model by moving the actor’s disembodied head around the screen, and applying different lighting effects.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/11mdkdc.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2je2s07.jpg)
That's 'Walter Bishop' from Fringe 'real' name John Noble. This looks pretty cool the article also mentions that a lot of heads of studios walked away impressed with the technology, this could be a big leap in graphical presentation, especially with polygon's maxing out.
Title: Re: E3 MMX
Post by: ThePerm on June 27, 2010, 12:27:10 AM
