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Title: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 03, 2010, 08:26:59 PM
Sonic the Hedgehog will return to his 2D roots this summer.
 http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=21114

 In an interview with Gamespot, Sega associate brand manager Ken Balough has revealed that Project Needlemouse, a title first teased during the Dreamcast's 10th anniversary last September, will be a direct sequel to the Sega Genesis Sonic the Hedgehog titles. Named Sonic the Hedgehog 4, the title brings back Sega's mascot to 2D, and will feature classic Sonic elements like the spin dash. While it was heavily rumored that the project would be an Xbox 360/PlayStation 3 exclusive it has been confirmed that the title will also be hitting the Wii.    


"One of our goals was to make a gorgeous-looking 2D Sonic game. This approach allows fans new and old to see what a 2D Genesis-style game would look like today with modern graphics," said Balough.    


While the gameplay is restricted to the 2D plane, the graphics will be rendered in 3D. The game will be released in episodic  installments starting with Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode 1. Finally, the game will incorporate motion controls in select areas, run in 480p, and feature  leaderboards so that players can compare their best level completion times.    


Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode 1 will be available on WiiWare this summer.

Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: that Baby guy on February 04, 2010, 04:57:13 AM
It's funny, because Sonic's 3D model, at least the one they're using in the trailer, looks so ugly compared to the three 2D ones they have.

Not a good sign.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: Enner on February 04, 2010, 06:10:12 AM
I can't help but feel that this is a "We give up on 3D platforming" from Sega and Sonic Team. It's a bit of a shame as I think they could've taken Jet Set Radio and made another great speed-based platforming game i.e. an ideal Sonic game.

Still, here's to hoping for a break of the Sonic cycle.

Quote from: thatguy on February 04, 2010, 04:57:13 AM
It's funny, because Sonic's 3D model, at least the one they're using in the trailer, looks so ugly compared to the three 2D ones they have.

Not a good sign.

Perhaps more the fault of the Adventure redesign?
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: that Baby guy on February 04, 2010, 06:31:32 AM
No, it's more the fault of SEGA for re-using models of low-quality and low-budget games.  Take a look at how Sonic looks in Brawl to see the Adventure redesign can look perfectly fine running in a 2D plane.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 04, 2010, 06:37:57 AM
Is this the admittance of no Sonic revival on Wii?
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: AV on February 04, 2010, 08:22:27 AM
16x9 Widescreen would actually help in Sonic games to help see hazards. It doesn't mention it in the article.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: broodwars on February 04, 2010, 10:52:42 AM
I've never been a Sonic fan, but this is an excellent move by Sega and a great addition to WiiWare.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: Pale on February 04, 2010, 12:31:00 PM
Every time I see a game that forces me to make a platform decision makes me wish for Dyack's one console future.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on February 04, 2010, 12:46:05 PM
I'm sure widescreen will be supported, since it's on all three systems.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: MegaByte on February 04, 2010, 01:05:54 PM
At least they're doing 480P.  I can't even run games like Mega Man 9 on my monitor because of stupid decisions like outputting in NES resolution.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: stevey on February 04, 2010, 01:26:59 PM
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The game will be released in episodic  installments starting with Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode 1.

They had to **** it up didn't they;

boycott!
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: Ian Sane on February 04, 2010, 03:28:31 PM
Mario gets revived in 2D with 3D polygons and we get one of the Wii's most successful and popular games.

Sonic gets revived in 2D with 3D polygons and it's episodic WiiWare.  I think that somes up the difference in prestige very well.

I hate the trend to use polygons for 2D games.  At least 3D doesn't like like crap anymore like it did in the N64 days but sprites are part of the appeal.  As good as NSMB Wii is it would be a thousand times better with sprites.  I see polygons as something you use because you have to in order to provide full 3D gameplay.  But if you're making a game that's effectively 2D sprites are the way to go.  Warioland: Shake It is one of the most gorgeous games I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: MegaByte on February 04, 2010, 03:31:55 PM
I generally agree.  But the problems with 3D as 2D could be mitigated with good antialiasing and advanced shader effects, which we don't have on Nintendo's systems.  It seems it is less work to create polygon models than sprite models nowadays since you mostly need just one model that you can reposition, whereas sprites have to be redrawn for each animation frame.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 04, 2010, 06:53:38 PM
Quote from: DAaaMan64 on February 04, 2010, 06:37:57 AM
Is this the admittance of no Sonic revival on Wii?

Wii[/i]Ware

I assume you mean retail. They tried that with Sonic Unleashed.

Sound good, but episodic? Screw that.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: King of Twitch on February 04, 2010, 07:16:35 PM
Charge multiple times for minimal work. It's the turd party difference.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on February 05, 2010, 12:53:02 AM
Sonic 3 was chopped into two episodes (Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles), so Sonic 4 should totally build upon that with episodic content! Yeah!

Based on the motion controls statement, I wonder if SEGA is making two different versions of this game for the Wii and PS3/360. They're probably just including a motion control option on top of classic controller equivalent to the PS3/360 controls, but they've done odd things with the Sonic franchise before.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: Caterkiller on February 05, 2010, 01:22:38 AM
Sega has said the game will be identicle for all 3 systems unlike unleashed, just a few Wiimote and sixaxis control differences, that are most likely optional.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: Mop it up on February 05, 2010, 03:09:25 AM
I can't really speak of the 3D Sonic games since I haven't played them, but I enjoyed the three Genesis games back in the day. I might download this if the price is right, though the episode thing worries me a bit.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: KDR_11k on February 05, 2010, 03:25:38 AM
IMO the episodic approach is the result of not wanting to admit that Sonic just doesn't work right with a save system and trying to make enough content to last long enough with a save feature would just cost too much for a single game.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: Stratos on February 05, 2010, 04:28:55 AM
SMB1-3 had no save system and they turned out great.

But on the flip side, NSMB DS/Wii do have save features and they turned out fine as well.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: Mop it up on February 05, 2010, 04:38:32 AM
Super Mario Brothers 3 was pretty lengthy for not having a save feature, though that was corrected in later releases. Plus, back in the NES days, save features were excluded to artificially extent game length.
If the game is too long to be played through in one sitting then it needs a save feature. This is WiiWare, nobody's expecting it to contain more than a few hours of gameplay anyway.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: KDR_11k on February 05, 2010, 06:14:56 AM
Quote from: Stratos on February 05, 2010, 04:28:55 AM
SMB1-3 had no save system and they turned out great.

But on the flip side, NSMB DS/Wii do have save features and they turned out fine as well.

SMB works fine with saves due to the way Mario levels are played, Mario levels don't have tons of alternate paths and speed sections that you have to memorize beforehand if you want to influence them.
Title: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Announced For WiiWare
Post by: Pale on February 05, 2010, 08:14:06 AM
I have absolutely no issue with the episodic concept here. In fact, I think it's pretty cool as long as they are each a nice package.