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Title: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 09, 2009, 01:34:03 AM
Today, I was out of town buying some ink for my printer (you know how THAT turned out -_-). In the meantime I checked stores to see their HD TV and their prices. I decided to buy me the best and cheapest set when I get my paycheck later in April.
But before I do I want to learn more to see if I am getting the best deal possible, so since I know some of you have entertainment rigs I would like to know some advice regarding various things...
1. I am planning on buying a 32 inch set since my room is not big enough to buy a big TV and I need to save money. The ones that I checked are usually 400 + to 500 + dollars. What's the best price to invest in a set of this size?
2. What is the best brand?
3. I have both a Wii and an XBOX 360. What do I need in order to maximize their performance on the HD TV?
4. I am confused when some ads say that the TV is 16:9 widescreen, but others show the TV being clearly widescreen but not mentioning it. Is there a difference between the two that I need to know>
5. I have a satellite service which is digital. Do I need anything in order to get my programming in HD and, if available widescreen? I know that Cartoon Network show some of its shows in HD and widescreen, so do I need anything else?
6. In the Wal Mart that I went to the TVs looked nice, crisp and beautiful. But on another store, the TVs looked blurry and stretched out. Do I need to watch out for any TVs with blurry displays?
7. What cables do I need when I purchase my set?
Thanks all! If I missed anything please let me know.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Caliban on March 09, 2009, 09:41:29 AM
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2. What is the best brand?
I'm not going to say it is the best, but I recommend Samsung.
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3. I have both a Wii and an XBOX 360. What do I need in order to maximize their performance on the HD TV?
The XBox 360 already comes with component cables which is what you need, but if your XBox 360 came with an HDMI cable and the TV you are getting has HDMI inputs then that is the cable you should use.
You will need component cables for the Wii.
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4. I am confused when some ads say that the TV is 16:9 widescreen, but others show the TV being clearly widescreen but not mentioning it. Is there a difference between the two that I need to know.
16:9, and widescreen are inherent features to an HDTV.
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6. In the Wal Mart that I went to the TVs looked nice, crisp and beautiful. But on another store, the TVs looked blurry and stretched out. Do I need to watch out for any TVs with blurry displays?
Walmart TVs were getting their signal from a HD source. The other store TVs were most likely broadcasting a 640x480p source and it was being displayed on them in stretch mode.
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7. What cables do I need when I purchase my set?
None. Usually they come with all the other devices that plug onto your TV.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on March 09, 2009, 10:45:29 AM
1. I am planning on buying a 32 inch set since my room is not big enough to buy a big TV and I need to save money. The ones that I checked are usually 400 + to 500 + dollars. What's the best price to invest in a set of this size?
The best price for an HDTV is one that you can work around your budget, you should set yourself an upper limit on what you're willing to invest in.
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2. What is the best brand?
If you're going for performance Sony, Panasonic, Samsung if you're being more budget conscious Vizio is pretty decent.
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3. I have both a Wii and an XBOX 360. What do I need in order to maximize their performance on the HD TV?
I recall that you have an elite 360 which came with an HDMI cables and component cables so you are set, for Wii you can get a set of component cables which can run you around 20 dollars.
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4. I am confused when some ads say that the TV is 16:9 widescreen, but others show the TV being clearly widescreen but not mentioning it. Is there a difference between the two that I need to know>
HDTVs always are 16:9 widescreen format, but take note that there are smaller flat screen TVs that are 4:3 SDTVs just because it's flatscreen doesn't mean it's HDTV but those are usually TVs that are less than 15".
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5. I have a satellite service which is digital. Do I need anything in order to get my programming in HD and, if available widescreen? I know that Cartoon Network show some of its shows in HD and widescreen, so do I need anything else?
You're satellite box that's connected to your TV will need to be HD capable the easiest way to tell is if it has a slot for component cables and/or HDMI to take advantage of it you need a set of component or HDMI cables to connect from the box to the TV and well obviously a HD capable receiver box.
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7. What cables do I need when I purchase my set?
See answer above
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 09, 2009, 11:14:13 AM
One tip - if you buy HDMI cables, get them from monoprice.com - there is absolutely no difference between a $5 cable on that site, and a $100 Monster HDMI cable from Best Buy, other than the packaging and price tag. The quality is the same. The only time you need to spend a little more is for long cable runs, but even in that case...stick with monoprice. Digital is digital, all the fancy insulation and gold-plating isn't going to make one single difference.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 09, 2009, 12:26:42 PM
5. I have a satellite service which is digital. Do I need anything in order to get my programming in HD and, if available widescreen? I know that Cartoon Network show some of its shows in HD and widescreen, so do I need anything else?
Digital is not the same as HD. Make sure you're actually getting HD programming from your satellite service. You may have to pay extra for it.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: KDR_11k on March 09, 2009, 02:10:19 PM
I think many HDTVs are actually 16:10. The data is still 16:9 though so you're going to get stretching. I just got a PC screen/HDTV combo thing with an annoying habit to forget any custom contrast settings in TV mode. Also while the image is sharper on the 360 now it looks like someone ran a sharpen filter over the whole image with edges looking too hard. Overall the image looks pretty bad compared to what my cheapass 19" PC CRT can output (then again maybe that's just consoles looking like ass in general, I haven't plugged the LCD into the PC yet). I do have a component cable for the Wii and an HDMI cable for the 360 on order, let's hope they improve that...
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 09, 2009, 02:22:01 PM
The entire display industry is FUCKED UP, leading to the craziness we see, KDR.
Hollywood VS. TV VS. Home Video VS. Computing VS. Gaming = a smoldering melting pot of digital ASS
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 09, 2009, 02:34:22 PM
I've never seen an actual HDTV that is 16:10, only PC monitors, and the resolution is in 16:10 format, as in 1920x1200 or 1680x1050. I agree that the industry is fucked up. We need to go back in time, and make *everything* in 16:9 at either 24, 30, or 60FPS, and use it for *all* video sources. If I ever get ahold of a time machine, that's the first thing I'll do.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 09, 2009, 03:28:55 PM
Most excellent. Don't forget to call Rufus.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: bustin98 on March 09, 2009, 03:34:44 PM
With cables, what matters is the connectors. You want to get connectors that either do not react, like gold, or are made of the same material as the input on the device. Finding out what that material is, good luck. You just don't want to put aluminum on some other metal (other than gold) as they'll react and corode over time. I also have a cheap HDMI cable that does not support 1080p. I was getting a headache trying to figure out why my PS3 wasn't spitting out the resolution till I changed cables.
Check out the connections on the back of the tv. You might get one with only 2 component inputs, yet you might need 3 with the Wii, 360, and the satellite receiver. Some DVD players also use component to put out a progressive scan image, though there are ones that upconvert and use HDMI.
Compare the store prices with online stores like Amazon and Newegg. For me the price differences are by several hundred dollars cheaper online. Another nice thing is reading reader reviews on the sites. You may find that the tv you want really isn't that great.
Brandogg's priorities are set, aren't they? Hmm, I can go back in time. Let's see, should I: 1) Go see if Jesus really did exist 2) find out the skin color of dinosaurs and if they had feathers, or 3) get the FCC to set future proof standards on visual displays.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 09, 2009, 03:51:27 PM
Careful, Jesus might end up being a dinosaur and chairman of the FCC.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: EasyCure on March 09, 2009, 04:00:58 PM
Pro has always been, and will forever be, my favorite poster on this site.
Also thanks Pap for starting this topic since i was going to do the same, though i'm sure you'll be buying your HD sooner than i will, so good luck with that!
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 09, 2009, 06:01:41 PM
Thanks everyone for the advice!
For the record, I don't want to start an anti-HD thread. I want a new TV because I am a sucker for widescreen TVs, and after playing many Wii games on their widescreen options I refuse to accept full screen anything.
I ask about cables and such because I know that in order to get the best picture and options I need said cables.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 09, 2009, 06:09:40 PM
For any TV that you may want to buy (or anything audio visual) I would do a comparison at www.avsforum.com
And before you go buying any component, dvi or HDMI cables i would goto www.monoprice.com -i don't think they have cables for 360 or Wii, but lots of quality yet cheap cables for the rest of your entertainment center.
If you are looking for value priced HDTV's, I have a 32" 720p Olevia that i got over 2yrs ago for $500. no complaints so far. Another value brand that seemed to be pretty good was Westinghouse. I know a few people with Vizio's and they are split about 50/50 on decent and crap as far as personal reviews.
Most of your other questions have already been answered, but a few things that I would recommend you pay attention to are:
1) Number of HDMI/DVI/VGA/Component input/output connectors (2/1/1/2 would be a good configuration) you want something that is gonna fit your needs now, and can expand for future needs. (Wii. X360, PS3, dedicated DVD player, Cable/satellite box, computer, etc. etc.) 2) Black Levels (ie 10,000:1 is what my TV has, looks good) 3) Refresh rate (the lower the number the better, especially for gaming - 5ms or less if possible) 4) Internal HD Tuner (can catch over the air signals & you won't need an external cable box)
I'm sure there are more things to look for without making this all too complicated, so I'll update this with more as I think of them.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 09, 2009, 06:28:35 PM
pap should let us know what questions he thinks have been answered to his satisfaction, and what questions remain.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 09, 2009, 06:57:27 PM
pap should let us know what questions he thinks have been answered to his satisfaction, and what questions remain.
Oh, sorry about that.
1. I will be on budget. I hope to not spend more than 600 dollars on the TV. The TV I am looking for is at 520, so I am set there (though taxes could rise the price up >.<)
2. The brand of the TV I spotted was RCA. Any word on those guys?
3. Yes, I have an Elite 360 and already have the HDMI cables. Need to look for the component cables for Wii though (component cables are those with the blue green and red plugs, right?)
4. No problems there, then.
5. I checked my satellite box and it doesn't have HDMI ports. However, it does have S-video ports. Are those recommended?
6. I think I'll stick to Wal-mart. The other store might have them cheaper, but I need more convincing.
Since BNM mentioned refresh rate, I heard about blurring on some TVs and games.
I think everyone answered pretty well (though BNM's answer confused me a little). My main concern are the cables, but I think I can manage. On the day that I buy my TV I'll print out the answers and use them as guides.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Caliban on March 09, 2009, 07:03:53 PM
Search (Google) for reviews online that are specific to that RCA model.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 09, 2009, 07:19:11 PM
2. RCA... invented the television =\ Tho I don't recall them being an industry leader of quality and satisfaction in the HDTV scene. If it's an LCD model released in 2007 or later, it should be competent. We're way past the first-gen LCD HDTVs, so they're hard to mess up from longtime manufacturers.
3. Don't pay more than $20 (+tax) for a set of shielded Wii component cables. I recommend Nyko HD Link upfront, since it can be found for $15 at some places. HVG2, Monster, and Psyclone also make premium (gold & fancy) cables, and can be as cheap as Nyko's on clearance. Having gold connectors doesn't imply shielding, it has to be specified on the packaging/product specs/cable jacket itself.
5. S-Video means you'll get 480i, at best. Find a shielded S-Video cable for $10 or less.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 09, 2009, 08:29:39 PM
So, I have to make sure all cables that I buy are gold to ensure the best quality?
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Plugabugz on March 09, 2009, 08:34:21 PM
Yes. I just paid £5 for gold plated HDMI cables so they aren't very expensive to find.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 09, 2009, 08:45:55 PM
check AVS forum (http://www.avsfroum.com) for any reviews and known defects/issues with the product. you can search by model # of the product. Its a forum of audio visual tech heads,so they know the ins & outs of just about everything.
Goto Monoprice (http://www.monoprice.com) to find a wide selection of (monster)quality cables for really really cheap.
What about my post confused you? I want to make to make it easy to understand for future references.
You can probably upgrade your satellite box to one that supports HD output. either component and/or HDMI.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 09, 2009, 09:04:38 PM
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: bustin98 on March 09, 2009, 09:33:08 PM
RCA does not have that great of a track record. I don't recommend.
If you want HD satellite service, they will send you a new receiver box if you order HD programming. Don't have a clue how much extra it will cost you. But that box will have something more substantial than S-Video.
For comparison's sake:
composite (RCA) <- S-Video <- component <- HDMI
Target has a 32" Vizio for $500 to $600, 1080p. Reviews say there's a 100% guarantee on pixels, which is awesome as most companies say 4 or 5 dead pixels is normal. Walmarts may have it as well, but products vary by store. Maybe you could do store delivery or something. They can do store transfers (or at least they did when I worked there).
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 09, 2009, 09:53:11 PM
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Pro has always been, and will forever be, my favorite poster on this site.
Now I do hate you.
ANYWAY. I recommend a Plasma if you can find one cheap enough.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 09, 2009, 10:26:44 PM
So, I have to make sure all cables that I buy are gold to ensure the best quality?
Not gold, but specifically "shielded". Gold does not equate to shielding, and gold plating is employed to attract the buyer more than anything. Shielding is important for analog cabling as a preventative measure (not a magick quality-improving gimmick).
For digital cabling, shielding is not really a worry.
The component cables BNM linked are not shielded; and Monoprice.com had no indication (that i could read) it ships directly to Puerto Rico. Newegg.com, however, does ship to Puerto Rico.
>> And here's a plug without shame. (http://sixsidedvideo.com/misc/vidcomp/vidcomp.html)
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 09, 2009, 10:43:58 PM
Shielding? Call me a massive noob, but is that the metal that surrounds the connector?
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: bustin98 on March 10, 2009, 12:13:37 AM
Shielding is the coating on the cable length. The connectors do not need shielding. Shielding on the cable blocks interference from outside sources such as power cords and other video cables. The strength of the shielding is dependent on the distance from the sources of interference and the expected strength of the interference. You do not need to worry about the details as you more than likely will not have a professional installation. The packaging should just say 'shielded'.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2009, 03:16:56 AM
Not sure if my (monoprice)cables were shielded, but I have no interference problems, with a mess of cords all tangled together. -TV, DVD player, DVR cable box, Wii, Component switch box, Computer, monitor, 2 powers trips, sub woofer & two comp speakers, stereo, with two more speakers- But that is definitely something you should keep an eye out for, I'm just lucky it hasn't been a problem for me. :)
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: bustin98 on March 10, 2009, 10:55:01 AM
A tangle is better than grouping all the cords together in a single strand.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on March 10, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
I have a Phillips 27" HDTV that I got from Target (floor model + new Red Card + untrained employee = about a 40% discount) for around $435 after warranty (was originally $599) with the only inconvenience being that I had to buy the remote control for 11.99 from Phillips website.
I have had a FEW problems with it, namely that it didn't play nice with the cable box I had from my provider. I had it on HDMI and it would often drop the picture, and I'd have to turn the set off and on to get it to come back. Then when I switched to Component cables, it wouldn't pass the audio through the TV to my receiver when I got On Demand content. Very weird. I've since dropped the cable box.
The TV has a really great picture though, and a built-in HD Tuner. The only thing I really regret about my purchase was that I didn't wait another year and get a 32" for the same price. But then, with the discount I got on the TV, I can't complain about the money I spent.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 10, 2009, 03:11:45 PM
You can also purchase ferrites (basically a magnet inside a plastic shell) for your A/V and power cables, they block electronic interference. Get a TV with optical audio output if you ever plan on using the built-in tuner, so you can watch OTA/DTV broadcasts and enjoy some beautiful surround sound. On omst (if not all) TVs, this *only* applies to the built-in tuner.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Stogi on March 10, 2009, 04:36:02 PM
Can I recommend a projector?
They are competitively priced. If you absolutely have to have 1080p, then I wouldn't recommend it, but if 1080i is alright with you, then nothing beats it if you have the space.
I bought a 1080i HD projector with a framed screen for a G two years ago. I have a receiver with HDMI output and up-converter, so I only have one cable traveling to the projector. I highly recommend a similar setup.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 10, 2009, 06:16:27 PM
They are competitively priced. If you absolutely have to have 1080p, then I wouldn't recommend it, but if 1080i is alright with you, then nothing beats it if you have the space.
I bought a 1080i HD projector with a framed screen for a G two years ago. I have a receiver with HDMI output and up-converter, so I only have one cable traveling to the projector. I highly recommend a similar setup.
That sounds good, but I don't have enough space to put it up.
If I ever get a house, maybe...
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 11, 2009, 02:06:13 AM
Projectors can't actually do 1080i. LCD is progressive, period, it's accepting a 1080i signal and faking it, outputting it at 720p, or whatever it's native resolution is.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Stogi on March 11, 2009, 11:40:56 AM
Unless your projector is DLP......
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 11, 2009, 10:57:34 PM
No dude, there's no such thing as an interlaced projector. It's not outputting at 1080i, look up the model, and the native resolution, that's what it's outputting the image at, unless it's a 4:3 projector, in which case it's using a lower resolution.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: bustin98 on March 12, 2009, 11:25:23 AM
I had an old DLP rear projection tv, it accepted a 1080i signal, but it displayed the image in 480p.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Stogi on March 12, 2009, 07:27:12 PM
No dude, there's no such thing as an interlaced projector. It's not outputting at 1080i, look up the model, and the native resolution, that's what it's outputting the image at, unless it's a 4:3 projector, in which case it's using a lower resolution.
I don't understand. When I feed it a 1080i signal, it switches to 1080i.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 12, 2009, 07:33:21 PM
Or it just identifies the incoming 1080i signal, saying so.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Stogi on March 12, 2009, 07:53:46 PM
But it's HD. It looks just as good but way bigger than any LCD TV with 1080i
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: bustin98 on March 12, 2009, 08:46:44 PM
Yes, its HD, doesn't mean its not spitting out a 720p image. Honest question: do you know why interlace exists?
If I had a choice between 720p or 1080i, I would take 720p everytime. Besides, other than Blueray movies and very few 360/PS3 games, most HD sources have a native resolution of 720p. And some 'HD' television broadcasts are actually just 480p, and more than likely will never reach 1080p due to bandwidth constraints.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Stogi on March 13, 2009, 02:55:56 AM
Oh I see. I don't claim to be a video specialist,, I just found it curious.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 13, 2009, 10:24:36 PM
On another note, I went to another Wal-Mart which had a far bigger selection of HD TVs and a better price.
The great thing is that they had a movie running, which made it easier to determine which TV was best. They had "Pinocchio" running and its was a great movie to demo, in my opinion. What I noticed is that on some TV the colors looked "smeared", like they are leaving the source and it creates a glowing effect, especially in movement. Is this an issue that can be resolved or is this a sign that the TV can't truly do colors right?
Any word on Toshiba?
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 13, 2009, 11:38:05 PM
Did you take down the model #?
I know you value our opinions, some more than others (some probably not at all) but...
seriously. check the Walmart site for the TVs you like & get the models # goto avsforum.com and search for that brands & model #'s Know everything that is good and/or bad about the tv's (there may be a known issue with that model you don't want to deal with later) You'll be able to make a more informed decision than what ever recommendation we can make for you.
& you will probably learn something things about TV's there that you didn't know before hand. I know I did. It's how I found my Oppo brand DVD player. I was looking for the best progressive scan upsacaling DVD player I could find @ a price I was willing to pay. I went in thinking one thing, learned some new things, and came out with something I had never heard of before then. I couldn't be happier with the purchase.
It's also where I decided on my current 32" LCD TV. There was a known issue that wasn't really an issue with me, but I only knew about it because I checked all models of TV on sale for Black Friday that year in my price range, and I couldn't be happier with what I got for that price at that time. according to current prices, it still looks like I got a pretty good deal on a budget TV. So I have no complaints.
I actually check any major electronic purchase at that site before I buy for those same two reasons. I might find out something that I wouldn't have known otherwise or I might find something even better than what I was planning to buy. Its worth checking out. trust me.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 14, 2009, 12:35:06 AM
If you want a great deal, go to Sam's Club - even if you don't have a membership already. The $35 membership cost is easily forgotten when you see their amazing deals. I wish I had held out a little longer on my TV after seeing the prices there. Every time I go there, I see at least one person out front loading a TV into their car. Seriously. 52" Sony Bravia for like $1550, 52" Philips for $1387 - I don't necessarily recommend Vizio, but if you want a cheap 120hz TV, they have a 55" LCD for $1787, I believe the actual screens are made by LG.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 14, 2009, 01:08:25 AM
When browsing a store's HDTV display, consider a couple things:
1. Not all the display TVs get equal treatment. HD signal distribution (amps and cabling) is expensive, and not every TV will receive a component cable feed or an HDMI feed. There's always a few TVs that are unlucky and just get composite cable or S-video cable feeds creating relative blurriness and smearing, giving a false impression. A store that affords to hook everything up properly does not exist; or rather, it is a MAGICKAL STORE, and it's name is definitely not Walmart or Target or Best Buy or Fry's or Sears or Circuit City (lol) or Good Guys (lol again) or Costco or Sam's Club.
2. Most display TVs run on factory settings, and that is purely natural. But no two TV sets have the exact same factory settings--the numbers and switches might match, but the output in reality is not 100% identical as the output calibration is performed individually back in the factory. They CAN have the same output quality, but only after tweaking, resulting in differing settings. A display TV might not look good at first sight, but there IS a strong possiblity that it could look GREAT after some quality time is spent tinkering with the settings.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Stogi on March 21, 2009, 01:17:58 PM
Pap, do you live anywhere near Chicago?
I only ask because I could hook you up with a factory refurbished 1080p 52" Sharp HDTV for $900.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 21, 2009, 01:35:37 PM
I only ask because I could hook you up with a factory refurbished 1080p 52" Sharp HDTV for $900.
Try the Caribbean Islands... :)
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Stogi on March 21, 2009, 01:43:06 PM
You know, I always wanted to go to Puerto Rico. Maybe we can work something out. :)
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: vudu on April 30, 2009, 07:25:43 PM
(Instead of creating yet another Buying a TV thread, I decided to hijack Pap's. Sorry, buddy.)
My six-year old Sony TV died. :( It's completely non-responsive when I try to turn it on. It acts like it's not plugged in, even though it is (and yes, I tried changing outlets, etc.). I think it's either a problem with the power source or the mother board. I'm looking into getting it fixed but it might turn out to be more expensive then it's worth, so I'm also contemplating just buying a new television.
Has the Internet finally decided if Plasma, LDC or DLP is better? My living room is fairly bright during the day (not sure if that matters). I'm looking to probably pick up at 42" set. I'm not really concerned about burn-in, as I understand that it's not a big problem these days.
My biggest concern is refresh rate. I don't really know any of the technical specifics, but I know enough to be worried that I'll get a system that doesn't play nice with my Wii.
I have a connection that can get me a really good deal on an LG TV. The Internet doesn't seem to really like LG TVs (something about poor black levels and screen uniformity). Then again, the Internet doesn't like a lot of things. Does LG really compare that badly to Panasonic/Phillips/Sony/etc? ( I prefer to stay away from "lesser brands" like Vizio and Insignia.)
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 30, 2009, 07:46:04 PM
LCD's are generally considered the best, especially for video games. Plasma TV's have that burn-in problem with static images and that is a issue. Here is a good article on the debate (although: http://www.hdtvreviewlab.com/lcd-tv-vs-plasma
Also, don't shoo away less known brands, they often are just as good and at a cheaper price. I have a Westinghouse TV (Westinghouse is not a lesser brand, but they usually aren't mentioned when talking about TV's) and it is pretty good.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: bustin98 on April 30, 2009, 10:51:41 PM
LCDs have pretty much been choosen the winner by consumers, so all new advancements in tech is going to be focused on LCD. Plasma, while it may have greater potential, is dying a slow, quiet death.
LG, as far as reviews I've read, hasn't had any big black marks against it. Just compare pricing as I believe LG can be a bit more. So if a hook up can provide, I'd do some looking around on Amazon and Newegg. Stores like ABC Warehouse and hhgregg 'might' price match against the online stores, if you find the right salesman.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 01, 2009, 12:34:57 AM
DLPs run cooler, has no issues on refresh rate nor ghosting nor burning, isn't brittle, and weighs less, all at the cost being several inches thicker. Generally priced with more screen-area-per-dollar over LCD and Plasma.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 07, 2009, 09:22:06 AM
I haven't bothered to compare prices, so I don't know if these are Amazing Deals or not, but Amazon has some promo codes for some Samsung LCD HDTV sets. The codes are good through May 15. They offer free shipping on all of these.
Code SAMTV100 for $100 off: Samsung LN46B550 46-Inch 1080p LCD HDTV with Red Touch of Color (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN46B550-46-Inch-1080p-Touch/dp/B001UE6HPM/) Samsung LN40B650 40-Inch 1080p 120Hz LCD HDTV with Red Touch of Color (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN40B650-40-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B001U3Y8O0/) Samsung LN52B550 52-Inch 1080p LCD HDTV with Red Touch of Color (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN52B550-52-Inch-1080p-Touch/dp/B001U3Y8PY/)
Code SAMTV200 for $200 off: Samsung LN40B750 40-Inch 1080p 240Hz LCD HDTV with Charcoal Grey Touch of Color (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN40B750-40-Inch-1080p-Charcoal/dp/B001UV6P1Q/) Samsung LN46B650 46-Inch 1080p 120Hz LCD HDTV with Red Touch of Color (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN46B650-46-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B001ULBP8E/)
Code SAMTV300 for $300 off: Samsung LN46B750 46-Inch 1080p 240Hz LCD HDTV with Charcoal Grey Touch of Color (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN46B750-46-Inch-1080p-Charcoal/dp/B001UVEZFE/) Samsung LN52B750 52-Inch 1080p 240Hz LCD HDTV with Charcoal Grey Touch of Color (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN52B750-52-Inch-1080p-Charcoal/dp/B001VKY7WU/) Samsung LN55B650 55-Inch 1080p 120 Hz LCD HDTV with Red Touch of Color (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN55B650-55-Inch-1080p-Touch/dp/B001WHICF0/)
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 07, 2009, 10:38:06 AM
DLP is typically much cheaper than the same size TV in LCD or Plasma, despite having a brighter and more fluid picture, the catch - size, and terrible input lag. When I play Guitar Hero at my mom's house (61" 1080p Samsung DLP), I have to calibrate the A/V, and it ends up being something ridiculous like 40ms video and 60ms audio. On my TV (52" 1080p Samsung LCD), even if I *try* to calibrate it, it sets it to 0/0.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 07, 2009, 11:52:07 AM
"and terrible input lag"
This hasn't been the case for several years, depending on the generation of the TV. Pale's got a 61" Samsung DLP, and I've got the 56" version that debuted in 2007 (owned for just over a year). We're both running in `Game Mode` and have no problems [visual lag] to speak of.
Edit: All my audio is routed directly to my surround receiver. I get no trouble from analog sources, but anything that's Dolby Digital over my optical cable gets lagged whenever the source is changed (changing channels from HD cable TV), so I have to refresh my receiver to correct it.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 07, 2009, 12:02:56 PM
I find the Guitar Hero calibration pretty random. The human element has a bigger impact than anything else. Calibrating on my Samsung DLP (I think I have the 50" version of Pro's) sometimes comes out to 0 ms, sometimes to 50, sometimes to 11. I ended up setting it to 20 or 25 or something manually because it felt a little better, but I suspect that's only because it's more forgiving in general. Anyway, since the lag is caused by video processing and upscaling, the same thing will happen on any fixed pixel display, not just DLP, and only CRT is not fixed pixel to my knowledge.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: KnowsNothing on May 07, 2009, 03:33:35 PM
DLP is a great technology, but it comes with its fair share of issues usually with the bulb or color wheel. Both of my parents own Samsung DLPs (don't know which models specifically), and both have had bulbs burn out or color wheels malfunction...or both. Luckily they were either covered by warranty or protection plan, but with no insurance a dead bulb can cost hundreds. DLPs simply have a limited bulb lifespan, and for some that is an issue. Furthermore, depending on your model and if you possess highly capable elven eyes, you may experience a "rainbow" effect where you can literally see the screen displaying the reds, blues, and greens in rotation.
Otherwise, thumbs up.
I have my own TV related question. I'm thinking about purchasing an HDTV/Computer monitor combo thingy for my dorm next year...of course I'm not entirely sure yet since that might mean I'd have to upgrade my graphics card as well in order to support resolutions above 1680*1050 (which is about all my poor x1900 XT can really handle...on older games)....anyway, normally I'm pretty skeptical of screens that claim to make great monitors and televisions, but so far the Samsung t240HD (and the other related models) seem pretty nice. I certainly wouldn't buy one at MSRP or anything, but every once in a while you can find the 24 inch model for around $250 which doesn't seem too bad...
Has anyone used one of these? Or can anyone suggest a different product that fits my needs? I'd like something with at least an HDTV tuner, DVI port, and component inputs...composite would be awesome as well, but that's damn near impossible to find.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 08, 2009, 03:18:50 PM
No, input lag is definitely an issue with DLPs, you just really won't notice it unless you're playing Guitar Hero or the likes. I refuse to use Game Mode (talking about my brother's Wii on my Mom's TV), because it's basically 480i with high contrast (it reduces the resolution in order to process the image faster), at least on this model, so I try to make up for it by calibrating. He only has composite cables, using component 480p might have less lag. Call of Duty on the 360 looks absolutely beautiful on it, however.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 08, 2009, 03:43:14 PM
"using component 480p might have less lag"
Mother's Day gift?
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: vudu on May 08, 2009, 04:50:50 PM
I need help. Everything I've heard from friends, family members, you guys, etc. tells me that LCD is the way to go. But everything I've read online indicates to me that I'd be better off with a Plasma display (better contrast ratio, better color saturation, deeper blacks, wider viewing angle, cheaper for an ~46" display, etc.). What am I missing?
LCDs have pretty much been choosen the winner by consumers, so all new advancements in tech is going to be focused on LCD. Plasma, while it may have greater potential, is dying a slow, quiet death.
This is fantastic, but completely unhelpful. ;) I'm looking for a TV now. I don't care about which technology has the potential to be better in 5 years.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 08, 2009, 04:57:52 PM
Get a Plasma, that is what I've had for about 2 years now and I have ZERO burn in. Just get one that has pixel orbiting and make sure you give it a good "screen burn" before you watch things with static images. You can find programs online that run a color pallette on your TV in a repeating loop. I let mine run for 150hrs total continuously (which included some basic tv watching) before playing any games to be on the safe side, and have had NO PROBLEMS. I have yet to see an LCD TV where motion blur has been eliminated completely, and that includes some of the newer models, for me that is a big problem because it bothers me quite a bit while Plasma does not have that problem.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 08, 2009, 06:21:41 PM
Get DLP and save yourself the electricity-wasting marathon. Weighs less, consumes less electricity, no blur, no burn-in, cheaper per inch of size, and produces less head than the other two options.
Any way you go, Wii's graphics are ruined.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: vudu on May 08, 2009, 06:37:02 PM
DLP has even shittier viewing angles than LCD. Plus I only need something less than 50" and I really don't want to have to **** with replacing lamps every couple of years.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 08, 2009, 06:49:38 PM
"New LED DLP TVs and projectors eliminate the need for lamp replacement."
When I mention DLP, I only mean LED DLP made by Samsung. And the viewing angles are all right.
But since you're going < 50" then get LCD to reduce your carbon footprint. The EU considered banning plasma TV sets from retail due to their power consumption. And save money by getting a "last year's model" TV set without the 120Hz mode, since that is only fake eye-trickery that generates mixed results depending on the video source.
Cut a square hole in a cardboard box and host puppet shows.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 08, 2009, 06:51:23 PM
DLP TV bulbs tend to burn out fairly quickly don't they?
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 08, 2009, 06:57:17 PM
And save money by getting a "last year's model" TV set without the 120Hz mode, since that is only fake eye-trickery that generates mixed results depending on the video source.
Really? I was already planning on getting a 2008 model since there doesn't seem to be much difference in the 2009s, but this is the first time I've heard that 120 Hz isn't any better than 60 Hz--everything else I've read says that 120 Hz is the way to go.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 08, 2009, 07:38:46 PM
120Hz does weird things. Essentially, it's function is to carefully compute ghost frames in between the progressive frames of a video source to provide an eye-pleasing motion blur via an artificially high framerate.
There were two sets in "120Hz Mode" sitting adjacently to one another at a Best Buy, one was running HD Fast/Furious Tokyo and the other was a HD Pirates/Carribean demo clips. Normally, film is 24Hz which does not evenly mesh into 60Hz. With "120Hz mode" active, the 24 frames get multiplied/interpolated/FUDGED to become 120 frames in a 1-second period. Mathematically, 1 in every 5 frames was a real, original frame. In both demos, when I saw objects travel/pan across the screen, some motion was ghastly super smooth but not all the all time, causing a visual disconnect. Like fractions of each second couldn't maintain the smoothness and just jumped back to 24Hz/60Hz/regular motion. In low speed scenes, I didn't feel a smoothness increase; it looked regular.
When you increase the source framerate, the results slightly improve since you have more real frames (they have real detail, and exist at correct points in time) occupying the display.
HD sports do benefit since it's real-life images getting a more lifelike motion blur. Video games? I don't know, not sure if you want blur introduced into your clear, computer-generated images. Example: All HDTVs in the USA are somewhat flawed by way of forcing video sources to conform to 60Hz display. RE4 in p.scan is outputting 30fps, but regardless the TV has to display 60fps (60Hz). The compromise is every other frame is some kind of ghost/interpolated frame, and it's painfully obvious when you aim at a vertical object (tree, column, wall corner, etc) then pan the camera around, showing ghostly edges. 120Hz is a more advanced implementation of this concept.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 08, 2009, 07:48:18 PM
Not sure what your budget is, but I would check to see if this fits into it & then check the specs to make sure they fit what you're lookin for. Westinghouse VM-42F140S 42" 1080p LCD HD Monitor - $579 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4633249&Sku=W330-4210&SRCCODE=WEM1925TT&cm_mmc=Email-_-Main-_-WEM1925-_-text)
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 08, 2009, 07:49:20 PM
Not sure what your budget is, but I would check to see if this fits into it & then check the specs to make sure they fit what you're lookin for. Westinghouse VM-42F140S 42" 1080p LCD HD Monitor - $579 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4633249&Sku=W330-4210&SRCCODE=WEM1925TT&cm_mmc=Email-_-Main-_-WEM1925-_-text)
Thanks, but my budget is about twice that. I want a good TV that is going to last a while. Something in the 46" area w/ good color contrast, accuracy, black levels, response time, etc.
I don't think that TV's gonna cut it. (For example, the contrast ratio on that one is 10,000:1--I'm looking at TVs in the 40,000:1 to 100,000:1 category. Also, from what I hear 6.5 ms response time would kill gaming.)
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 08, 2009, 11:29:10 PM
6.5ms response time will not kill anything. That's 6.5 thousandths of a second. Just get a Samsung, they provide the LCDs for many other manufacturers anyway. If you want a bright beautiful picture, and don't mind giving up the real estate, and don't plan on sitting too far on either side of the screen (and don't want to play Rock Band or Guitar Hero "hassle-free"), then get a DLP. They're cheap, and (usually) beautiful. For $1200 you're not going to get the latest ****, but you'll probably be able to find a fantastic deal on last year's models. Avoid 120hz at all costs, until there's a reason to get it, all it does is increase the price of the TV, and ruin any movie that you're watching. The only thing that can output 1080p at 120hz is a high-end graphics card anyway.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: MikeHrusecky on May 09, 2009, 05:55:33 AM
You would be remiss not to look at the 2009 Panasonic plasmas.
LCDs have improved a great deal in recent years, but that's mainly because they had the most improving to do. *Quality* plasmas are still king of video PQ. Legacy issues like burn-in are almost archaic when it comes to modern displays. It'd take many hours to permanently burn the phosphors.
If your budget is roughly $1000-ish, consider looking at the Panny TC-P46S1 (46") or TC-P42G10 (42"). The 'G10' series is more expensive but color accuracy is *superb* with proper calibration. There's also a 46" G10 (TC-P46G10), if you can handle a $1300-ish price tag.
The 2009 models also use their new "Neo PDP" tech which reduces the weight and power consumption, compared to the models they're replacing. It's not down to LCD levels, but they're a marked improvement. And blacks are about as black as you're going to get without paying a big premium for a Pioneer plasma.
I have a 2007 model Panny, and it's great. If I were in the market for one today, it would be one of those mentioned above.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: vudu on May 09, 2009, 10:47:17 AM
Thanks for the info! Both of the 46" TVs you mentioned were already in my consideration set, but it's nice to have someone agree with me. :) I'm also looking at the Samsung PN46A650 (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn50a650/4505-6482_7-33016446.html) or maybe the equivalent 2009 model.
I can stomach a $1,300 price point--I'm looking to spend somewhere between $1,000 and $1,500 total (including tax, etc.). I'd prefer to get something towards the bottom of that price range, but I don't mind pushing the upper end if I'm getting a better product. However, I don't want to spend more money just to say I bought a more expensive TV--I need to get something better for the extra dough.
As far as LCDs go, I'm currently looking at the Samsung LN46- A550, A650, B550 and B650. Any other brands I should add to the consideration set?
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: bustin98 on May 09, 2009, 11:22:48 AM
One plus of the 120Hz tvs is if the time comes where 3d games and movies come out, they should be ready to go. One set of 60Hz for each perspective. Of course it won't do any good if you don't have polaized glasses though I'm sure any movie or game that relies on the feature will come with some cheap solution.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 09, 2009, 03:35:58 PM
I think headtracking is a better alternative =\
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: MikeHrusecky on May 09, 2009, 09:36:41 PM
Samsung does great LCDs... possibly the best LCDs, so between the Pannies and Sammies it's probably the best set of options to narrow down from in that price range.
Thanks for the info! Both of the 46" TVs you mentioned were already in my consideration set, but it's nice to have someone agree with me. :) I'm also looking at the Samsung PN46A650 (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn50a650/4505-6482_7-33016446.html) or maybe the equivalent 2009 model.
I can stomach a $1,300 price point--I'm looking to spend somewhere between $1,000 and $1,500 total (including tax, etc.). I'd prefer to get something towards the bottom of that price range, but I don't mind pushing the upper end if I'm getting a better product. However, I don't want to spend more money just to say I bought a more expensive TV--I need to get something better for the extra dough.
As far as LCDs go, I'm currently looking at the Samsung LN46- A550, A650, B550 and B650. Any other brands I should add to the consideration set?
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 10, 2009, 02:29:00 AM
My TV is the Samsung LN52A550, the 52" version of the 46A550. I've had it for about 8 months and I love it.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 10, 2009, 03:00:45 AM
Holy crap! Its amazing how my little thread asking for suggestions turned into this 4 page techno nerd discussion about which TV is the best. :p
For the record, I still haven't bought my TV. I technically have the money, but I am waiting for one of my paychecks to see if I can buy more with it. But I already went ahead and bought the HDMI and component cables needed for the display for cheap on monoprice.com.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 10, 2009, 03:11:25 AM
Samsung does great LCDs... possibly the best LCDs, so between the Pannies and Sammies it's probably the best set of options to narrow down from in that price range.
Thanks for the info! Both of the 46" TVs you mentioned were already in my consideration set, but it's nice to have someone agree with me. :) I'm also looking at the Samsung PN46A650 (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn50a650/4505-6482_7-33016446.html) or maybe the equivalent 2009 model.
I can stomach a $1,300 price point--I'm looking to spend somewhere between $1,000 and $1,500 total (including tax, etc.). I'd prefer to get something towards the bottom of that price range, but I don't mind pushing the upper end if I'm getting a better product. However, I don't want to spend more money just to say I bought a more expensive TV--I need to get something better for the extra dough.
As far as LCDs go, I'm currently looking at the Samsung LN46- A550, A650, B550 and B650. Any other brands I should add to the consideration set?
oh gawd I thought you were thatguy -_-
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: vudu on May 22, 2009, 04:14:05 PM
Update: I've pretty much decided to get the Panasonic TC-P46G10 (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p46g10/4505-6482_7-33497900.html?tag=mncol;lst). It looks to be the best bang for my buck.
Over the past week I've read the first 60-odd pages of a massive 100 page thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1128052) about the TV. The people who frequent this forum are insane! (In a good way.)
I'll likely order the TV online this weekend and hopefully have it by next weekend.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 22, 2009, 05:54:20 PM
Update: I've pretty much decided to get the Panasonic TC-P46G10 (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p46g10/4505-6482_7-33497900.html?tag=mncol;lst). It looks to be the best bang for my buck.
Over the past week I've read the first 60-odd pages of a massive 100 page thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1128052) about the TV. The people who frequent this forum are insane! (In a good way.)
I'll likely order the TV online this weekend and hopefully have it by next weekend.
I don't know if you've heard of them before this thread, but thats why I recommended that site back on the 1st page of this thread. I've learned enough from there to make a slightly informed decision on all of my recent electronics purchases. 2 TV's & a DVD players so far. I don't have a single complaint with any purchases I've made off of recommendations and comparisons made on that site. I have always known the pros and cons of whatever I was about to decide so that I know if it was something I could live with, something that fit all my needs or should I wait for a different model.
Glad you found something worthwhile & took the time to do the proper research on it to make sure you were spending your money wisely.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 07, 2009, 05:48:44 PM
Oh wow forgot to update this thread!
I finally bought my new HD TV. I bought it back at the end of May, start of June. Its a 42 inch Viore HD TV set and so far it has word great.
Wii games, despite their low resolution, look great, especially the graphically intensive ones. My Xbox 360 games, however, look stunning. The colors are vibrant and very clear.
The entire set, however, looks nice. Even TV channels look great despite their low resolution (I don't have an HD enabled satellite box, and the HD service costs a leg and an arm).
So far I am very happy with my purchase and hope to one day add hi def movies to it :) .
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: that Baby guy on August 07, 2009, 06:14:05 PM
Samsung does great LCDs... possibly the best LCDs, so between the Pannies and Sammies it's probably the best set of options to narrow down from in that price range.
Thanks for the info! Both of the 46" TVs you mentioned were already in my consideration set, but it's nice to have someone agree with me. :) I'm also looking at the Samsung PN46A650 (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn50a650/4505-6482_7-33016446.html) or maybe the equivalent 2009 model.
I can stomach a $1,300 price point--I'm looking to spend somewhere between $1,000 and $1,500 total (including tax, etc.). I'd prefer to get something towards the bottom of that price range, but I don't mind pushing the upper end if I'm getting a better product. However, I don't want to spend more money just to say I bought a more expensive TV--I need to get something better for the extra dough.
As far as LCDs go, I'm currently looking at the Samsung LN46- A550, A650, B550 and B650. Any other brands I should add to the consideration set?
oh gawd I thought you were thatguy -_-
What?
I bought a TV last Sept/Oct/Nov-ish. It's a 47" Westinghouse LCD, on sale at Newegg for $1000, a good deal, especially at the time. The only issue I have is black levels, and it's only truly noticeable when connecting a computer to it, via HDMI, though they don't look purty all the time during normal HD shows.
If I were to go and do it again, I'd give more consideration to DLP, just because DLP is pretty awesome with the price and clarity, but I went with the LCD because it was a solid sale and because of space.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 07, 2009, 10:34:10 PM
You have to pay extra for HD satellite? Where do you live - Nazi Germany?
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: vudu on August 08, 2009, 10:32:42 AM
You have to pay extra for HD satellite? Where do you live - Nazi Germany?
Puerto Rico
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 09, 2009, 01:10:11 AM
Well, I don't remember the exact details but I know I have to get a satellite box that has HDMI outputs and switch to HD programming which raises the price of the service.
I was under the impression this was the same way in the US. Is it not?
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 09, 2009, 09:20:36 PM
I have Bright House's HD service, it costs the same as their regular service. HH Gregg has an 82" Mitsubishi DLP. Do want.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: D_Average on October 10, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
So how big it too big with these things? Right now I have a 40 inch and we need another tv. I'd like to pick up a 52 for the basement. Anyone have anything in the 52-65 range? Do games looked stretched at all? As cool as HD projectors are, I've played the Wii on one, and its just not as crisp on a huge projection (and this was a top of the line one too). I'd take a smaller tv over that. Thinking 52 would be a good size though to still keep things crisp, and they've really dropped in price since I picked up the 42.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Stogi on October 10, 2009, 12:41:19 PM
If you wait another two weeks, I'm getting a 70" and can tell you. It's going to be so ridiculous. Well...ridiculous and awesome.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: D_Average on October 10, 2009, 01:07:02 PM
If you wait another two weeks, I'm getting a 70" and can tell you. It's going to be so ridiculous. Well...ridiculous and awesome.
Awesome, I'll be moving in 4 weeks, so I wont' get the TV till then, let me know. Did you find a good deal? Plasma or lcd?
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: vudu on October 10, 2009, 02:12:18 PM
I know Mr. Jack and Pale both have 60"+ TVs. They Wii without problem.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 10, 2009, 02:20:32 PM
How stretched something looks is proportional to how far away you stand, the strength of your eyesight, and the quality of the TV's internal scaler.
I sit 6ft from my 56" TV, gleefully Wiifully.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 10, 2009, 02:33:06 PM
70" = DLP, or an incredibly expensive plasma.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Caliban on October 10, 2009, 10:02:46 PM
God of War 3 looked great on a 70" from Sony, and I was standing 4 feet away... at a convention I went to.
6ft to play Wii games on my 50" DLP. The bigger the screen the further you will have to sit if you are viewing SD content.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: D_Average on October 20, 2009, 01:12:35 AM
Anyone have a Samsung or Panasonic plasma? I'm thinking of grabbing one of the 50 inchers and I'm leaning towards a Samsung model. Most people seem to say the Panasonics are better since they bought Pioneer, but the Samsungs are standing out more to me, in addition to what I perceive as a deeper black level.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Stogi on October 20, 2009, 02:09:30 AM
Samsungs are nice. I think they look better than Panasonics.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: D_Average on October 20, 2009, 02:28:02 AM
Yeah, I've had a Samsung 40 inch LCD for the last year thats been great, may as well stick with a proven company.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: vudu on October 20, 2009, 01:50:14 PM
I have a 46" Panasonic G10 (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p46g10/4505-6482_7-33497900.html?tag=mncol;lst). It's totally rad (though 6 months after I bought it it's already been replaced with the G15).
I don't know too much about the Samsung plasmas, so I can't really compare the two, but generally speaking if you want a LCD you go with Samsung and if you want a plasma you go with Panasonic.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Mop it up on October 21, 2009, 09:24:54 PM
I've got a little question that maybe somebody could answer.
I was playing Wii on a friend's LCD television and I noticed that whenever a very bright image was displayed, the screen would slightly flicker. I'm just wondering, what would cause this? Would a budget television have that problem? Or is there a setting which could be adjusted to prevent that?
I think it was a Toshiba brand, if that matters.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 21, 2009, 09:40:54 PM
TVs include an "Iris" function -- a setting that automatically brightens or dims (mostly dim) the screen in an effort to regulate the light intensity shooting at the viewer's eyes for more comfortable viewing, depending on source brightness and the brightness of the viewing room.
It may or may not be what you're witnessing. The TV could just be wacko.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Mop it up on October 21, 2009, 09:57:20 PM
Is there a way to turn off that feature?
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 21, 2009, 10:09:57 PM
Should be inside the TV's Video Settings menu, but different companies will call it different names.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: D_Average on October 21, 2009, 10:21:49 PM
I have a 46" Panasonic G10 (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p46g10/4505-6482_7-33497900.html?tag=mncol;lst). It's totally rad (though 6 months after I bought it it's already been replaced with the G15).
I don't know too much about the Samsung plasmas, so I can't really compare the two, but generally speaking if you want a LCD you go with Samsung and if you want a plasma you go with Panasonic.
Thats what the best buy boys have been saying too, but to my eyes, the Samsungs plasmas seem to have a deeper black and sharper colors while the Panny's seem to have a more natural skin color. For me, a deep black is most important.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: D_Average on October 21, 2009, 10:23:19 PM
You may also have him try the "video game " mode on the tv, that seems to work well w/ my wii.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Mop it up on October 21, 2009, 10:26:03 PM
The reason I am asking is because I've been considering buying one of the cheap LCD televisions (as I have been for like a year now), but something like that flickering would bother me to no end. I'm not willing to spend very much on one but I'm not going to get a cheap one if it's going to do something like that.
Can anyone recommend a good cheap LCD? As good as it could get for the money, obviously. Doesn't have to be 1080p or HD or anything like that, just 480p and widescreen since that's what Wii is.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: that Baby guy on October 21, 2009, 10:32:36 PM
Westinghouse makes pretty good HDTVs and are typically cheap. I've got a 47-inch, I believe. The only complaint I've got is black levels, so if that's important to you read up about 'em.
My parents have an older 720p 32" Westinghouse that's pretty good, too, but they've gotten a little more consistent as a brand from the time my parents bought theirs to when I picked up mine.
What else would you be using the TV for? Just video games, and mainly the Wii? If I were you, I'd try to find something with a resolution that matches what your eyes pick up from however far away you play. Anyone have a link to that study? A future-compatible TV that you keep for years really pays off, so don't settle now if you'll regret it later!
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: D_Average on October 21, 2009, 10:34:42 PM
The reason I am asking is because I've been considering buying one of the cheap LCD televisions (as I have been for like a year now), but something like that flickering would bother me to no end. I'm not willing to spend very much on one but I'm not going to get a cheap one if it's going to do something like that.
Can anyone recommend a good cheap LCD? As good as it could get for the money, obviously. Doesn't have to be 1080p or HD or anything like that, just 480p and widescreen since that's what Wii is.
Are you going to mostly use it for gaming? Word on the street is Plasmas are the best for sports and video games. I can verify that though. Yet.
Plus you get more for your money.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Mop it up on October 21, 2009, 10:42:59 PM
I'm buying whatever is cheaper, so if LCD's are cheaper than Plasma then I'm going with that. I'd get a CRT if they made them with 480p and widescreen. Not sure if they did at one point but I know they don't now, and I'm not buying a used television.
I'm not sure what you mean by "black levels" but I don't know if I'd care. As long as it doesn't do anything funky like flicker or have really messed up colour (like something that's blue looks totally green) then I'll be fine with it. I don't have very good eye-sight so picture quality doesn't matter so much. I'm more interested in the widescreen display.
I don't really watch the telly, just a few shows here and there, and I don't own a DVD player. So it would be mostly for games, specifically Wii, GameCube, Nintendo 64, Super NES, and NES.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: that Baby guy on October 21, 2009, 10:48:32 PM
DLP.
DLP DLP DLP DLP DLP.
Get a DLP. Best bang for your buck, big screen. I love DLP, and if I had the space, I'd have one. Last I checked, though some time ago, DLP was the cheapest. It's not talked about because of size, but to the average person CRT and DLP look like they're the same type, just like Plasma and LCD seem the same, in a lot of ways.
Check out DLP TVs first.
Edit: Checking NewEgg, I can't find any DLPs that are under 60". I'll keep looking, but that's a shame.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Mop it up on October 21, 2009, 10:52:52 PM
I think I'm going to need to stumble across something that's on sale to find what I want at a price I'm willing to pay.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: that Baby guy on October 21, 2009, 10:54:46 PM
Well, looking some more, I guess they stopped making smaller (40"-ish) DLP TVs. It's sad, because the ones I remember looked pretty good, and often about 2/3 of the price of a comparable flat-screen.
Waiting for a great sale is great decision. Just make sure you don't buy only on impulse, and check out a few comparable TVs, as well.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: Mop it up on October 21, 2009, 10:56:41 PM
Is there a season which usually has sales? I was thinking of buying it after Christmas because a lot of people give me money. Is that a good time to find discounted televisions?
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: vudu on October 21, 2009, 11:02:15 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by "black levels" but I don't know if I'd care.
Black level means just that--blacks look black. On cheaper and/or older TVs you can't get a true black--it looks like a washed out gray. If you're not a videophile chances are any modern television of decent quality will have good enough blacks for you as long as you're not watching television in a room that's extremely bright.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 21, 2009, 11:07:00 PM
I see decent deals on LCD's tigerdirect and amazon all the time.
just don't forget to check with AVS Forums to do your comparisons once you narrow your search down.
Is there a season which usually has sales? I was thinking of buying it after Christmas because a lot of people give me money. Is that a good time to find discounted televisions?
Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: that Baby guy on October 21, 2009, 11:07:57 PM
Is there a season which usually has sales? I was thinking of buying it after Christmas because a lot of people give me money. Is that a good time to find discounted televisions?
I believe, though I'm not certain, that often the best time to buy a TV is when old models are being replaced by new ones. I'm not certain of the time of year this happens, but someone else probably knows. You'd want to buy the old model, since the increases shouldn't be too different. Consider checking woot.com, too. They have TVs on sale from time to time, just make sure it's not refurbished, first.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: vudu on October 21, 2009, 11:12:24 PM
I know Panasonic updates its models around March - May. Not sure if this holds true about other manufacturers.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: D_Average on October 22, 2009, 12:22:44 AM
Mop It Up, if you're in the US, go to Best Buy, just buy whatever looks best to you. But 99% of the time, plasma's are cheaper than lcd's at the same size and allegedly great for gaming. You can find some good deals online, but you really can't beat previewing the picture in person first.
Here's the one I'm leaning towards: Samsung - 50" Class / 1080p / 600Hz / Plasma HDTV http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9239399&type=product&id=1218065984837
I'm sure we'll see some great deals around thanksgiving as well
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 23, 2009, 12:08:40 AM
The issue with Plasma screens (maybe not anymore, but recently) is they are basically the only kind of TV currently produced that can get a burned-in image.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: D_Average on October 23, 2009, 02:30:15 AM
The issue with Plasma screens (maybe not anymore, but recently) is they are basically the only kind of TV currently produced that can get a burned-in image.
this is no longer an issue
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 23, 2009, 12:04:28 PM
Is there a season which usually has sales? I was thinking of buying it after Christmas because a lot of people give me money. Is that a good time to find discounted televisions?
I believe, though I'm not certain, that often the best time to buy a TV is when old models are being replaced by new ones. I'm not certain of the time of year this happens, but someone else probably knows. You'd want to buy the old model, since the increases shouldn't be too different. Consider checking woot.com, too. They have TVs on sale from time to time, just make sure it's not refurbished, first.
The best time, in Amerika, is after the Super Bowl during a recession -- the unadvertised sales, the TVs they REALLY COULDN'T SELL despite the sales promos leading up to Super Bowl. All other holiday sales events are runner-ups.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 23, 2009, 01:14:13 PM
Very true. If you have a Sam's membership, they usually have ridiculously good prices on TVs. It might even be worth opening an account ($35 or $40) to get a deal on a TV.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 30, 2009, 09:22:07 PM
Panasonic VIERA G10 Series TC-P42G10 42-Inch 1080p Plasma HDTV - $899 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001UAEWSU/ref=nosim/lhd-20)
Good TV for a good price if you want a plasma
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: D_Average on November 17, 2009, 12:09:21 AM
So I opted for a Samsung 50' 1080p Plasma. It was either that, or the Panasonic. To me, the skin tones on the Panasonic looked more realistic, but the colors on the Samsung seemed more vibrant so I went with that, since I won't watch much tv or movies on it. I should have it arrive on Saturday, so I'll update sometime with how I like it compared the the Samsung LCD I already have.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: vudu on December 01, 2009, 02:24:17 PM
Perhaps I'm just stupid, but Mono Price is confusing as Hell. :Q
I just want a damn 3' HDMI cable. It shouldn't be this hard! :@
Is there any real difference between this cable (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10243&cs_id=1024003&p_id=3991&seq=1&format=2), this cable w/ ferrite cores (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10243&cs_id=1024007&p_id=3871&seq=1&format=2) and this flat cable (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10243&cs_id=1024012&p_id=4157&seq=1&format=2)? Why are there so many varieties? Who gives a ****?
What's the difference between HDMI and HDMI 1.3a? How do I know which one I need? :confused;
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 01, 2009, 02:44:19 PM
No difference unless you experience electrical interference, that's what ferrites are for. The first cable has wider gauge wires, but with a 3ft cable, it makes absolutely no difference. Get the cheapest one you can find. The difference between HDMI and HDMI1.3a is support for Dolby TrueHD, 3D over HDMI and "Deep Color." There's no harm in getting a 1.3 cable even if your TV doesn't support the functions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_Comparison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_Comparison)
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 01, 2009, 02:46:54 PM
HDMI 1.3a is the new standard. Higher quality signal and more bandwidth. like USB 2.0
2 of the cables you listed look like they are shielded for in wall installation. CL2 Rated the cheapest one isn't.
The 24AWG is the gauge of the wire. The thicker the wire the less chance of degradation of the signal over the length of the cord. At 3 feet you should have no worries.
The most expensive one has a woven thread over the length of the cable. The gold plated connector is used to improve the connection quality to ensure you are getting the clearest signal possible.
I say get the cheapest one.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: vudu on December 01, 2009, 02:53:15 PM
Cables are confusing. :Q
Seriously, I'm not an idiot but none of this stuff is obvious and I can't find a resource that clearly explains what all this jargon means in simple English. Thank goodness for you guys. Why do cables installed in a wall need better shielding?
So are one of these things what I want or did I miss something obvious? I just want a good, cheap HDMI cable. Nothing fancy.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 01, 2009, 03:32:25 PM
The shielding (CL2 rating) is the plastic insulation around the copper wire itself. Prevents easy burning or damage from other things that might take place while hidden away inside of a wall.
Buy the first HDMI cable you linked. The one for $3.XX. Just be sure 3' is all you need.
Everytime I go to monoprice, I check around the house for any cables or connectors that I or a friend may need since the cables are so cheap. sometimes I get 3 or 4 things and the money paid for parts sometimes equal the cost for shipping.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: DAaaMan64 on December 02, 2009, 01:46:36 PM
How come no one ever talks about buying an upscaling box? There are Wii gamers who have bought 'em. They talk about a few successful models.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2009, 02:20:14 PM
I don't think any of us own one or even thought about needing to own one.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: DAaaMan64 on December 02, 2009, 07:33:59 PM
yeah but I've heard that they work, and that would bring your Wii to 720p+. Which would be totally BA. Course, I'm TV tech retarded.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 02, 2009, 08:16:14 PM
Upscalers are typically tools to achieve display compatibility when a monitor doesn't support certain lower resolutions and/or connection types. It stretches stuff to fit stuff. Stretching Wii's 480p picture to 720p+ doesn't increase the detail in the picture (in many ways stretching SD stuff just makes them look worse), but the upscaler enables the Wii picture to show up on someone's LCD computer monitor by acting as an adapter.
An HDTV only has one resolution: whatever it came with. When you hookup a Wii to it, the TV will upscale the picture to fit the maximum screen size anyway (disregarding various zoom options). The quality of the upscaling method varies among TVs and upscaling boxes, just as image editing programs offer different resizing methods (bilinear, bicubic, lanczos, etc).
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: DAaaMan64 on December 02, 2009, 09:28:50 PM
Then what is all this jazz about Wii/GC games in 720p via emulators?
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: EasyCure on December 02, 2009, 09:30:06 PM
Lanzocs? Now you're just making things up..
Is that like FONDUE PIT or HARDTIME LONGCORE? :P
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 02, 2009, 10:17:37 PM
Then what is all this jazz about Wii/GC games in 720p via emulators?
That's about running Wii game ROMs from uber-computers and posting shitty Youtube videos that fail at 720p.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: DAaaMan64 on December 02, 2009, 11:11:51 PM
Can you explain that better? I think you are exaggerating. They really have gotten a lot better looking Wii/GC games that way.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 03, 2009, 12:05:24 AM
The games are Wii disc data stored on somebody's fancy computer running on a cleverly made emulator. The may or may not be running at the full speed framerates depending on the computer. They're good for making nice screenshots. But in the real world, you and I will not be attaching these setups to HDTVs so we can play Wii Sports Resort together.
The games may be running at a high resolution, but the videos that are processed via Youtube end up with chopped framerates and resolutions below the 720p finesse that these emulator/hacker people are trying to emphasize.
My standard-def video captures of Wii games in DivX format look better than what those guys attempt to display on Youtube.
Title: Re: Will buy an HD TV soon; Need advice
Post by: ShyGuy on December 03, 2009, 02:48:53 AM
Pro, what don't you like about youtube and the H.264 codec? /canoworms
