Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: BeautifulShy on December 04, 2008, 12:31:18 PM
Title: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 04, 2008, 12:31:18 PM
I think if they did change the game I think it would be to Wii Sports Resort.Why do I say this?It is because with WM+ the 3rd party developers would be more willing to use WM+ in the future.Sure there is that EA Tennis game and I believe The Conduit is going to use it.Bundling Wii Sports Resort would open the floodgates of developers using WM+.
An article on the matter (http://Http://thewiire.com/editorials/post/5783-is-it-time-for-Nintendo-to-change-their-pack-in-games)
Do you agree with the article?
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: Pale on December 04, 2008, 12:35:50 PM
Interesting, but I say definitely no, UNLESS they combine Wii Sports resort with the old Wii Sports. Wii Sports is synonymous with Wii for most potential buyers.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: Nick DiMola on December 04, 2008, 01:05:49 PM
I think WM+ should just be packed in, regardless of usage in any packed in game. Wii Sports must continue to come with Wiis for the exact reason Pale already stated. Buying a Wii means getting Wii Sports to many potential buyers if not most.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 04, 2008, 01:20:01 PM
Alright I agree with you on that. Wii Sports is synonymous with the Wii. Hmmm would adding both games to the package raise the price of the console?
That would be a good Idea Mr. Jack.
What do you think of this.Packing in something like MP3 or Brawl along with Wii Sports?
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 04, 2008, 01:46:29 PM
Interesting, but I say definitely no, UNLESS they combine Wii Sports resort with the old Wii Sports. Wii Sports is synonymous with Wii for most potential buyers.
This is what should happen. People think the Wii should get a porice drop after two years, but I think they should just increase the value by doing what Pale suggested. That will make sure that all games from here on out should have no problem with including motion+ support as all new users will have the attachment & I'm sure most previous owners will go out and buy the stand-alone version cause its the new WiiSports.
But I'm sure Nintendo is too smart to do something logical, so I won't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: AV on December 04, 2008, 07:36:24 PM
Interesting, but I say definitely no, UNLESS they combine Wii Sports resort with the old Wii Sports. Wii Sports is synonymous with Wii for most potential buyers.
Ding DING ding. Correct answer.
I might see Nintendo give a 500 wiipoints card to sort of get people to buy something on the shop, or maybe include on the console.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: EasyCure on December 04, 2008, 07:44:32 PM
you know whats odd? Not since launch have i seen a wiipoints card under 2000
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 04, 2008, 08:56:57 PM
Change? Yes. Remove? No. What they should do is take Wii Sports and merge it together with Wii Play and/or Wii Resort and also enhance it so that it has online capabilities as well as MotionPlus support. Wii Sports is a killer app, so they should definitely keep it, but at the same time they should make it better.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 05, 2008, 12:27:43 AM
If they pack in any game, it will have to be rated E.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: nickmitch on December 05, 2008, 12:36:50 AM
I like the adding WM+ idea. However, I don't think Nintendo needs to add an extra pack in just yet. I think that finally adding colors would really boost sales, when the need to eventually comes.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 05, 2008, 01:38:59 AM
BTW, am I the only one who kinda sees the Mii channel and some of the other stuff as bundled games in a way? I think Nintendo would do well to expand on their channels if they want to increase the value of the system among non-gamers. For example, how about a horoscope channel? Or a cooking channel? Or um, a crossword puzzle channel? non-gamers would eat all that up, and would buy Wiis even if they never intended to buy any games for it.
And I also think the Mii stuff should be enhanced so that it becomes more like the Sims. And you should also have greater customization options than the ones currently available. The Mii channel should be upgraded to Mii channel 2.0...
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 05, 2008, 02:14:04 AM
BTW, am I the only one who kinda sees the Mii channel and some of the other stuff as bundled games in a way? I think Nintendo would do well to expand on their channels if they want to increase the value of the system among non-gamers. For example, how about a horoscope channel? Or a cooking channel? Or um, a crossword puzzle channel? non-gamers would eat all that up, and would buy Wiis even if they never intended to buy any games for it.
And I also think the Mii stuff should be enhanced so that it becomes more like the Sims. And you should also have greater customization options than the ones currently available. The Mii channel should be upgraded to Mii channel 2.0...
That was released this past week in Japan.
It would be nice if the Mii channel could be upgraded but I find if you are restricted in tools that means you have to be more creative.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 05, 2008, 03:26:32 AM
The Mii's simple nature sparks imagination.
Getting more detailed leads to Uncanny Tacky.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: Kairon on December 05, 2008, 04:22:52 AM
We'll vridge that valley someday Pro. Someday.
Anyways, isn't there anyone else here who thinks that Nintendo is getting ready to see how much money they can make selling Wii Sports Resort separately? They made oodles selling Wii Sports separate in Japan, maybe they're getting ready to monetize the western markets?
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: redgiemental on December 05, 2008, 09:32:06 AM
I agree Kairon. Wii Sports Resort should sell to put it politely a fuckton.
I don;t think they should take Wii Sports out almost anyone I know when they get their Wii. The first thing they do it play some Wii Sports even now.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: KDR_11k on December 05, 2008, 12:53:59 PM
you know whats odd? Not since launch have i seen a wiipoints card under 2000
They're available through the stars thingie NoE has going.
Good for them. I really didn't see the appeal of those cards anyway. It's not a good (for my budget) that a $20 Wii Points card is a better impulse by to me than a $5 one.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 05, 2008, 01:55:12 PM
I think Nintendo should either bundle Wii Sports Resort with Motion Plus or bundle both games. Like Pale said, Sports has become synonymous with the Wii and its the reason the console keeps selling.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: vudu on December 05, 2008, 01:59:01 PM
Good for them. I really didn't see the appeal of those cards anyway. It's not a good (for my budget) that a $20 Wii Points card is a better impulse by to me than a $5 one.
You know you can buy 1,000 points right on the shop channel via your credit card, right?
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: EasyCure on December 05, 2008, 03:47:06 PM
Good for them. I really didn't see the appeal of those cards anyway. It's not a good (for my budget) that a $20 Wii Points card is a better impulse by to me than a $5 one.
You know you can buy 1,000 points right on the shop channel via your credit card, right?
Yes but i got rid of my credit card because I was too impulsive with it. Thats how my first 2000 wiipoints were purchased. You must take me for a fool vudu, or just loooove trying to make people feel dumb. :-p
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: vudu on December 05, 2008, 04:27:19 PM
Change? Yes. Remove? No. What they should do is take Wii Sports and merge it together with Wii Play and/or Wii Resort and also enhance it so that it has online capabilities as well as MotionPlus support. Wii Sports is a killer app, so they should definitely keep it, but at the same time they should make it better.
Considering that Wii Play is still making the Top 10 in sales 19 months after first coming out, no chance of it being bundled with the Wii (especially since the Wii is also selling tons of copies)
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: AV on December 07, 2008, 12:53:35 PM
I mention 500 wiipoints not because Nintendo has done it before, but as something cheap they can print out and pack in with the console. It will be a freebee that will lure casual non gamers into the WiiShop channel. I would guess that a good majority of casual gamers don't know about VC games or WiiWare to begin with. They boot up the console, and put in Wiisports and don't even touch the rest of the channels.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: Kairon on December 07, 2008, 06:45:38 PM
I know what you're saying Adolph Vega. When the Wii came out, I envisioned that Nintendo would pack-in maybe 500 WiiPoints or something. I'd guess (off top of head) that maybe half of Wii owners have connected online... *shrug*
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: KDR_11k on December 08, 2008, 07:12:40 AM
It comes with 500 stars here (125 Wii points...)
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: Ian Sane on December 08, 2008, 03:20:47 PM
Wii Sports is a big enough deal that if they ever changed the pack-in game they would have to make it available as a standalone title because late adopters will still want it. At the same time any new pack-in has to be available standalone for existing Wii owners (though somehow I can totally imagine Nintendo not doing that and thinking it would be perfectly valid for us to have to buy a new Wii to get it). Right now that have this interesting situation right now where they have a very popular pack-in game that is not available without buying the console. There's a certain, I don't know, cleanless to it I like. If you have a Wii you have Wii Sports no matter what.
And can you really think of anything else that demonstrates the remote as well as Wii Sports? If anything Nintendo has never topped it. We legimately complain that sports games they've released since then don't feature the 1:1 style controls of Wii Sports. Wii Fit needs the balance board included and Wii Music and Wii Fit sure as hell are not worthy replacements for Wii Sports.
As for Wii Sports Resort think of this from a business point of view. Everyone has Wii Sports. Most people like it. So a whole buttload of people are going to buy the sequel. If Wii Sports continues to be the pack-in then THOSE people will likely want the sequel as well. Nintendo could have 90% of Wii owners, until the end of the Wii's life buying Wii Sports Resort. Why give that up? Plus the motion+ would be a requirement for the game and that would be one other thing Nintendo has to include with new Wii's. They'll make more profit of the console without including it. Sure it would be NICE to have it included but this is the company that sells nunchuks and remotes seperately and gets away with it.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 08, 2008, 03:47:43 PM
NES included Super Mario Bros. and helped shape the product's identity in the market.
Wii Sports has done the same for Wii and should continue serving that purpose.
The Wii SKU is an incredibly neat, tiny, and efficient package (that isn't designed to include a game w/ DVD case ie. only Wii Sports disc sleeve; my N64 box has HUMONGOID styrofoam innards), and since the product itself still has a lot of perceived value, why mess with the insides?
Nintendo could just have stores include another controller or game as an official bundle down the road.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: KDR_11k on December 08, 2008, 05:20:27 PM
You know, the PAL Wii comes with a regular DVD case for Wii Sports...
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 08, 2008, 06:00:12 PM
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Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: Kairon on December 08, 2008, 11:17:29 PM
I say "Thank god" that Nintendo has revived the era of the pack-in game.
You know, the PAL Wii comes with a regular DVD case for Wii Sports...
I am So, SO, jealous.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: RABicle on December 09, 2008, 03:03:50 AM
I think they should include both. Wii Sports is the Wii's killer app, the reason people buy the machine, so I wouldn't dare take it out jut yet.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: AV on December 09, 2008, 06:59:37 PM
i also think that Nintendo should put a Demo Disk of other 3rd and 1st party games in the package along with Wiisports.
Put a 1 level demo of Metroid Prime 3, Smash, Super Mario Galaxy, Star Wars Force Unleashed, maybe videos of Wiiware games, Virtual console, and all the different channels.
I love the pack in, I never would of bough Wiisports on its own, but I can't understand why Nintendo is damn against demo disks. If I can't download demos because of harddrive, at least they can print out demo disks and put them on Nintendo power or to buy for $10 every 3 months.
I still remember buying that Demo Disk that included Viewtful Joe for GAMECUBE as well as other crap like that egggame from Sega. Fry's had it for like $13.99 or something and I bought it , and I would gladly do the same for Wii. ( I would rather download demos like 360 but something is better than nothing )
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: Kairon on December 09, 2008, 07:16:23 PM
I think that Nintendo doesn't want to change their internal development structure to account for demos. Early demos are basically rushed playable portions of incomplete games, which.... takes extra work and time and money which the dev team may have to throw away. When E3 finally heaved a great big sigh and collapsed in on itself due to its own weight, I remember reading how some developers were happy that they didn't need to waste resources making a snazzy, but fake, demo of their half-done title.
Now, demos of games that are already out, or recently released, on the other hand, could make sense. Could developers cut games down to a one level trial after they're done for demo disc purposes? And would the extra expense, and distribution costs that manufacturing demo discs would accrue for Nintendo and/or publishers, be justified by any resulting long-tail sales?
Still, at the very least Nintendo needs some packed-in demo video reel at least. They had those video demo discs for the GameCube, why not revive that program, cut out the playables, and just distribute those preview videeos and trailers willy nilly?
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: Ian Sane on December 09, 2008, 07:34:08 PM
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I can't understand why Nintendo is damn against demo disks.
Supposedly Nintendo thinks that it will hurt sales. Pretty idiotic logic since I've bought some games that I later regretted buying entirely because they had an awesome demo.
I've always suspected however that the real reason is because Sony did demo discs first and Nintendo can't copy the idea because that would publicly admit that a competitor had a good successful idea. Sounds like an insane and deluded justification for a questionable business practice but this is Nintendo we're talking about and Japan is the country where commiting suicide was traditionally preferrable to being publicly embarassed. ;)
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: EasyCure on December 09, 2008, 07:46:24 PM
I think that Nintendo doesn't want to change their internal development structure to account for demos. Early demos are basically rushed playable portions of incomplete games, which.... takes extra work and time and money which the dev team may have to throw away. When E3 finally heaved a great big sigh and collapsed in on itself due to its own weight, I remember reading how some developers were happy that they didn't need to waste resources making a snazzy, but fake, demo of their half-done title.
Now, demos of games that are already out, or recently released, on the other hand, could make sense. Could developers cut games down to a one level trial after they're done for demo disc purposes? And would the extra expense, and distribution costs that manufacturing demo discs would accrue for Nintendo and/or publishers, be justified by any resulting long-tail sales?
Still, at the very least Nintendo needs some packed-in demo video reel at least. They had those video demo discs for the GameCube, why not revive that program, cut out the playables, and just distribute those preview videeos and trailers willy nilly?
Nintendo Channel..?
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: Kairon on December 09, 2008, 08:03:24 PM
I can't understand why Nintendo is damn against demo disks.
Supposedly Nintendo thinks that it will hurt sales. Pretty idiotic logic since I've bought some games that I later regretted buying entirely because they had an awesome demo.
I've always suspected however that the real reason is because Sony did demo discs first and Nintendo can't copy the idea because that would publicly admit that a competitor had a good successful idea. Sounds like an insane and deluded justification for a questionable business practice but this is Nintendo we're talking about and Japan is the country where commiting suicide was traditionally preferrable to being publicly embarassed. ;)
Actually, I remember seeing a study somewhere that pointed at "trailers only" as yielding the greatest effect for purely DLC titles, and that demos in addition to trailers, at least of these DLC games, actually hurt sales.
Yeah, but that's an opt-in and requires internet setup and etc. I'm not sure it embraces as wide an audience as might be desirous considering maybe 50% or less of Wiis are connected online, and probably a vastly smaller number are regularly browsed online.
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: EasyCure on December 09, 2008, 08:50:49 PM
Well i still feel its the most effective way of getting these trailers out to people. The people that opt-in are obviously the ones interested in such a thing, and will likely check it out.
Where would you get these demos anyway? If you're a subscriber to nintendo power chances are good you already opted-in to the nintendo channel so no need to send a disc full of game trailers to them. Packing them in a game? Yeah thats a pretty good idea but what if you bundled it with something like Wii music which isn't flying off shelves? This would be the audience you want to check out trailers of your other product, because theres a better chance this audience doesn't check the internet or nintendo channel for game trailers. Going back to WiiMusic, it isn't the type of title that broke records on its first day so to a big company like Nintendo, they'll see all those copies sitting on shelves with the complimentary demo/trailer disc as a waste of money and thats why they won't go for that.
I think the Nintendo Channel is the best way to get these type of things out, unless they do something a lil more drastic like include trailers for games on the standard game disc itself and have it update the wii for its own seperate channel just to insure that even if you don't have an internet connected Wii, you'll have all the trailers on the Nintendo Channel available to you. Think of it like the wii updates that come on some games like Brawl (i think that one came with an update..).
Example: This holiday season someone goes out and buys Animal Crossing: City Folk for there offline Wii. They insert the disc and it says theres a system update, you proceed as normal and up comes a message saying "here check out the new Demo Channel" and you're back to the main menu. You either start up the game or check out the channel real quick, and with every big release from Nintendo theres another update to add more videos for that channel. Problem solved?
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: Kairon on December 09, 2008, 09:10:25 PM
They should pack in any additional marketting materials with Wii Play. Problem solved. ~_^
Title: Re: Does Nintendo need to change the pack in game?
Post by: EasyCure on December 09, 2008, 09:13:49 PM
