Post by: WindyMan on April 08, 2003, 08:25:19 PM
Right now, Nintendo.com's gamepage for Metroid Prime 2 is a bit empty. Naturally, the game has just been revealed, and no info is available yet. That won't stop Nintendo from asking the people what they want, though.
Further down the page, there is a poll asking readers what they'd want to see in the next game. More GBA Connectivity? A sidescroller? Perhaps multiplayer or a tougher, longer game? Well, you can only pick one (unless you clear your cookies and vote again), so go vote!
Hopefully, Retro and Nintendo will have some info about the new Samus adventure at E3, which is just a month away.
Post by: Duriez on April 08, 2003, 09:22:49 PM
Post by: sycomonkey on April 08, 2003, 09:49:18 PM
And yes, please, make it longer. MP was pretty long compared to most of today's games, but then again when you've got Nintendo releasing 10 hr. games (coughtPIKMINcough) then there's something wrong.
Post by: freak on April 08, 2003, 09:57:47 PM
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Post by: sycomonkey on April 08, 2003, 10:10:55 PM
That would completely ruin the game and make it another mindless FPS. We don't need another mindless FPS.
Metroid Prime is so great because it's not a first person shooter, but rather a first person adventure. The emphisis being not on the shooting, but rather the puzzles, exploration, and plot. If you remove the lock on feature, it's liable to just become another fragfest. I mean... Imagine trying to play 3D Zelda without a lock-on.
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Post by: Joakim_Nintendo_Glantz on April 08, 2003, 11:34:19 PM
Post by: Wesisapie on April 09, 2003, 12:53:02 AM
i voted for more connectivity.
Post by: Otacon305 on April 09, 2003, 02:11:28 AM
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Post by: cmoney on April 09, 2003, 04:44:05 AM
BUT, I'm sure they'd be able to find a way around this with a few changes in the control scheme.
You people worry too much.
Post by: theasylumofthedamned on April 09, 2003, 05:19:12 AM
You see Nintendo? You see what happens when you release games in 8-year intervals? You create more N*WBIES!!!!
Post by: Ian Sane on April 09, 2003, 07:04:22 AM
The fact that multiplayer is winning shows how many philistines, who have no clue what Metroid is, bought Metroid Prime. Nintendo should just make a different FPS to shut up all the "I've been playing games since 1997" retards who think that every game played in a first person view has to play the same. If you showed these people the original Phantasy Star they would probably ask "where's the multiplayer?"
Of course it might not really mean anything. I know people who want multiplayer Zelda for no specific reason at all. "Multiplayer's always better."
Post by: NiteWalker on April 09, 2003, 07:09:54 AM
Post by: ZombieX on April 09, 2003, 07:14:38 AM
Also for all those oppose to multiplayer, if the sequel does include this option, just don't play it if it offends you so much. Don't try to deny those who would appreciate multiplayer, the chance to enjoy it. And by looking at that poll on Nintendo.com, it seems the majority of Metroid fans do want to experience multiplayer Metroid.
Post by: ZombieX on April 09, 2003, 07:19:42 AM
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The fact that multiplayer is winning shows how many philistines, who have no clue what Metroid is, bought Metroid Prime...I know people who want multiplayer Zelda for no specific reason at all.
I disagree completely. People said the same thing when word spread about multiplayer Zelda in Four Swords. When that game was released and eveyone saw how incredible multiplayer Zelda was, all the earlier complaints about "multiplayer Zelda" went away.
Post by: NiteWalker on April 09, 2003, 07:33:01 AM
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Post by: rpglover on April 09, 2003, 11:34:27 AM
i am a little dissapointed at the results- i hope if any of them win besides sidescrolling it would be the longer more harder quest one
i dont need multiplayer in everygame i must own
personally metroid isnt suited for it and i just dont want it in there
Post by: Ninja X on April 09, 2003, 11:46:21 AM
Multiplayer, in the style of fragfests, would actually degrade Prime. Nintendo has stated that the game is a FPA, not an FPS. Unless Retro could think up of some clever way to install multiplayer that uses the core elements of the series (much as how Zelda: The Four Swords did), then it wouldn't be such a bad option. However, I doubt the GCN can handle co-op with Prime's lively environment.
I don't see much for the GBA-GC connection. The furthest Retro could go with that idea is probably Nintendo's way in the Wind Waker. A friend will play as a helpful character (Adam, anyone?) and will help the friend who is actually playing Prime through the journey. Even if that is implemented, that still would not be such a big option. I don't hear many people talking about the Tingle connectivity in Wind Waker.
2D perspective? This is probably the second-best choice in the poll. I would not mind this option, but sales of MP2 will then be poor and, as many people have stated, this is better on the GBA.
In my personal opinion, I would like to have the controls changed as well. Miyamoto's setup was a good idea, but it proved to be uncomfortable at times. I remember fighting Flaahgra and taking unneccesary damage due to the awkward control setup. I was unable to evade Flaahgra's bitch-ass tentacles and that almost screwed me over a couple times. Believe it or not, I think it would be better if the FPS setup was adopted the game. That way, I could walk and look around as well as fight enemies a little easier.
Still though, it is bound to be great. Even if the game is a rehashed version of Prime, it would still remain one of the best titles in the GCN library.
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Post by: Shaktool on April 09, 2003, 03:57:32 PM
I played Jet Force Gemini long before I even knew what a Gamecube would be or what Metroid Prime would be like, but when playing that game, I said to myself and anyone who would listen, "This is what Metroid 64 should be like." I really said that, and I still think that. Sure, they could make the next game entirely in third or first person and make it good, but I think it could be better if they combine them.
As you can probably tell, I did not vote for Side Scroller. I wouldn't mind a sidescroller, but I would mind a JFG camera even less. I guess, though, that I am dreaming.
As for the GBA connection...Can someone explain to me why anyone would want that?
And for Multiplayer... I can see it working. I have had huge arguments about it on another board, and I heard passionate voices on both sides of the issue, so I guess it would be safer just to leave out Multiplayer for now. Of course, if Retro is confident that they can do it right (NO FRAGGING), then more power to them, but if not, then leave it alone.
And the longer single player mode... Absolutely! Of course, they should not focus only on making a long game. They should make other improvements as well.
Post by: theasylumofthedamned on April 09, 2003, 04:27:40 PM
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Originally posted by: ZombieX
Also for all those oppose to multiplayer, if the sequel does include this option, just don't play it if it offends you so much. Don't try to deny those who would appreciate multiplayer, the chance to enjoy it. And by looking at that poll on Nintendo.com, it seems the majority of Metroid fans do want to experience multiplayer Metroid.
Multiplayer in MEtroid Prime 2, eh? Oh sure, I don't have to play it, but guess what? Single player Metroid > Multiplayer Metroid, no matter how you slice it. And guess what as well? Single Player + Miltiplayer = More compression. More compression = BAD. Very bad. Metroid Prime, though it was a totally kickass game, had large room for improvements, and stuffing in a Multiplayer would either A) take away possible improvemtns, B) Add more compression/loading times, or C) Make MP2 crash even more than Prime (Hard to believe, eh?).
Oh sure, you can have two discs for Single and Multiplayer, but a lot of hardocre MEtroid purists would rather shove a Zeta Metroid up their backsides than to have to shell out an extra 10 bucks for something they'll never play. I mean, only Pokemon games can get away with that money-grubbing....
Post by: Djunknown on April 09, 2003, 04:40:25 PM
A) "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Just tweak whatever shortcomings (were there any shortcomings in Prime? Escaped my radar...) or just give people more, plus some nice Nintendo Innovation.
B) "Sometimes a [bounty hunter] has to be moving on..."
Instead of a sprinkle of innovation, add a really healthy helping of ambition Go crazy with it. Pilot Samus's ship. Make it more RPGish. How about [gasp] cel shading? Those were highly exaggerated examples, so don't take them seriously(I doubt it'd be Metroid by then). You get the picture.
On a slightly unrelated note, would you mind if Samus got a voice actress? If so, who'd fit the bill? If opposed, why so? I'm neutral, but thinking after Samus's scream, it makes you wonder....
Post by: Sir Kero on April 09, 2003, 06:32:48 PM
Joakim has it right, we need Kraid back. More then that thoguh I'd like to see the beta, gamma, etc. metroids again.
I had anumber of complaints with the first, but they were mostly cosmetic... The Zelda style "you found a secret" sound seems out of place in the series. The way the music changes in rooms with enemies, even before you see them, ruins some cool (potential) suprises.
It really irks me that they call the gimpy double jump item the spacejump. I mean, I understand that a true spacejump wouldn't work too well in a 3d game, even if it weren't first person, but it's almost like they're rubbing it in. On a similar note, they used the screw attack symbol for the suit upgrades, as if it weren't bad enough that this is the only Metroid game not to have the screw attack they had to go and remind us... twice.
I want real Super missles too. The charge combo is way too slow, and it acts like a big charge shot not a physical object. speaking of physical objects, wouldn't the missle tanks look cool made of glass? and big metal Energy tanks would be nice... I don't see why the items all have to be ephemeral energy stuff.
Finally, as much as I hate to say it, the different weapons got way too gimmicky, with almost every door requiring a specific attack, and those dang armored pirates. I still want my ice-wave-spazer or whatnot back.
As you can see (if you actually bothered to read that) those are all really minor complaints, but still they kept me from calling this a perfect conversion of the series into 3D. My biggest complaint of all against both Prime and Fusion though, would be that they don't even mention the series' creator.
If I could pick only one thing to change in the next game, I would want it to say "In memory of Gunpei Yokoi" when I start it up.
What's the deal anyway, giving the man a lifetime achievement award when he's been dead half a decade? He hasn't done anything since then to earn it, the truth is he deserved that when he created the cross-pad, or when he invented handheld gaming, or light guns or any number of things... he earned it many times over but he never really got any recognition for it.
Ok, sorry for that rant. just a pet peeve I guess...
Post by: theasylumofthedamned on April 09, 2003, 07:09:50 PM
Post by: ruby_onix on April 09, 2003, 08:50:58 PM
B: Return to side scrolling viewpoint - Heck no! Metroid exists in both worlds right now. A "return" to one is an abandonment of the other. Metroid Prime and Fusion were both great, and deserve to continue.
"The poll says side-scrolling adventure, not 2D, funhats. They could very much give the game a 3D feel while keeping it a side-scroller, much like the...er, 2 1/2D of something like Mischief Makers, which is something of which the GBA is most certainly not capable." - NotRimmer
The poll asked if Metroid Prime should return to side-scrolling. Not if the next Metroid Fusion should take advantage of the GameCube's might. I think there's a difference in there. I hope Nintendo does too, or we'll lose something important.
C: Multiplayer - Dangerous idea. Metroid Prime was (and is) already in danger of being "typecast" as a "first person shooter", and if Nintendo and Metroid can't break that image, I'm afraid that the entire first-person medium will be hopelessly typecast. Doing "the natural FPS thing" and adding a multiplayer mode just seems wrong. They have to find another way to innovate.
D: Longer, more challenging adventure - I'm not fond of using extra "challenge" to increase the gameplay. Some people thrive when it gets tough, but others just turn off the power, and end up with a game that's essentially just a fraction of the size. You can easily turn a solid 20-hour game into a great 50-hour game for some people, and a useless 5-hour game for others. That's not a good thing. It's a tradeoff. I guess the better thing to do is give you a difficulty level, but you have to give people a reason to play the hard mode that doesn't take away from the rewards for playing the easy mode. For people who are willing to play without extra rewards, and just have challenge for the sake of challenge, a hard mode is fine, but they should give you the option of the hard mode right from the start. Don't make people spoil the game for themselves by having to breeze through the easy mode first. Longer is good (I like "epic" stuff), but whenever you ask for it you usually get and extra helping of "challenge" too (I mean, just look at this poll question), so I'm leery of asking for it.
If you can't guess, I voted for more GBA/GCN connectivity.
Post by: JoeFalco on April 09, 2003, 09:42:41 PM
I choose longer and harder. Nothing like increasing the amount of skill and problem-solving required to beat a game to make you further believe that you earned your wins. In the same way, I think mulitplayer is capable of that as well. However, one member reminded me of the strain a FPS and multi would put on the game in terms of quality. I have no objection to multiplayer because I relish the idea of someone always out there that can challenge you. I say let's see what a sequel can do for Metroid before jumping on the idea of side-scrolling. About connectivity, I can only wonder what ways the GBA can be used to enhance your gaming experience besides just as an item and enemy locater. There must still be some unforseen potential that hasn't been unlocked yet. I hope Retro and Nintendo will try and tap into it. I would like to have longer and harder challenges, mulitplayer action and increased use of connectivity but to rank them in order of what I want the most, I place longer and harder at the top of my wish list with connectivity in 2nd and multiplayer as a distant third.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Otacon305 on April 09, 2003, 11:58:54 PM
Post by: Saint on April 10, 2003, 03:28:38 PM
But seeing as this is supposed to be related to MP 2: Connectivity in WindWaker pissed me off. It's not of "game/play" quality for a second player, yet not interesting enough to keep me on both the GBA and the GC controller....switching for nearly nothing pisses me off. JFG actually had a nice little bit of 2 player with the robotic flying asistant turning on and being controllable just for fun/help, nothing specific or neccesary.
Multiplayer i have decided is the only/best answer. You all fear a fragfest, but I don't. If it is something like that, it is not possible for it to be crappy and boring like TimeSplitters2(don't get me wrong, I loved it untill I played Halo), Samus is a super warior, it would be combat truely advanced. I wouldn't want the lock feature to go anywhere, it fits the game now because having a lock doesn't mean jack to winning. You have double jumps and sidesteps because you have to attack enimies differently with different things in different forms. The ultimate form of this would be Samus vs another real Samus. Obviously there would have to be the ability to play as multiple Samuri(heh), quite possibly Samus/Samus Aran/SA-X/SamusNew? and a balance system of other characters similar to StarCraft, WarCraft and Diablo's 'Seperate but Equal' theorem. I never got around to playing it but I saw a cheat to play as different characters in MP, has the groundwork already been laid? If disc space is an issue, I'd love to see a multiple discs.
As for long/more challenging, they'll do that anyway, seeing as it is a sequel. and the side scrolling tradition was BEAUTIFUL in Fusion. and that fusion suit....sucked! I also believe the transition to dual analog is a MUST. i NEED to be able to look and run. RUN RUN RUN i should never have to stop moving to do anything; this is our super soldier's weak spot. She stops to change visors and only trouble could come. I hate stopping, there's no reason for it other than surveying the landscape. I think that's about all i have to say, i hope i'm not alone.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on April 11, 2003, 02:44:09 AM
NO SCANNING NO SCANNING NO SCANNING NO SCANNING
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Post by: Kulock on April 11, 2003, 08:02:55 AM
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D: Longer, more challenging adventure - I'm not fond of using extra "challenge" to increase the gameplay. Some people thrive when it gets tough, but others just turn off the power, and end up with a game that's essentially just a fraction of the size. You can easily turn a solid 20-hour game into a great 50-hour game for some people, and a useless 5-hour game for others.
There couldn't be truer words. Sometimes it's best to just side with an easier difficulty level to have more people be able to complete all of the parts and enjoy it. I wouldn't call Metroid Prime an easy game by any stretch of the imagination (we're not talking Contra: Shattered Soldier or Ikaruga either, but you get my point), and a lot of the "difficulty fixes" Nintendo of Europe put into their version of Metroid Prime just seemed... a little cheap. Mostly "enemies take more shots". Easy thing to program in, but that can really change and mess up the balance of some of the areas. With a game so much about exploration and grandiose environments like Metroid Prime, you don't want to be repeatedly stuck in one little rinky-dink area because you can only squeeze off 18 shots into a boss before you die and it requires 20. Granted, games shouldn't be cakewalks either, sometimes they go a little too far toward that "easy" side and make a game you could sleep through, but a balance should be found, rather than sticking five more Space Pirates into a room to make Samus repeatedly die there and artificially up the playtime.
Post by: Otacon305 on April 12, 2003, 08:48:41 AM
Post by: sardonicus on April 12, 2003, 05:58:08 PM
The so-called Space jump...please. It's pathetic. In all of the other metroid games, you can jump higher without any powerups...in water no less
. Double jumping is really cool - if you are playing Ghouls ang Ghosts, not metroid. I also like how you can run either slow or slightly- less-slow with analog stick at full tilt. Thank goodness for the "progress" that these new whiz-bang systems provide.The morph-ball is extremely gimmicky in Prime. Every time you need to use it, there is an obvious pipe of something similar to roll into. No searching for a small weak point in a wall to find a required passageway as before. No alternate paths to take in the tunnels, just straight through to the destination (ignoring the tacked on special morph ball rooms. Just why would the space pirated construct these anyway? D'oh! :^) )
The areas to explore are mostly horizontal, with the token vertical room (90 % of the time an elevator) included. The grapple beam is a shell of its former glorious self. Remember how you could adjust the degree of swinging, and even flip 360 to increase speed or reach higher areas (maridia rocked)? Now, it is just there to provide the semblance of a metroid game. You can't even use it unless you are near the (un-necessary) grapple points.
Also, the hidden areas are non-existant, and the secret items are not difficult to find (Some huge crumbling, door sized patch on a wall, for insttance.) In 3, when you got the map data, most of the areas you could explore were not displayed. You had to explore every nook and cranny to find the entrances to these areas, and they were not silly unimportant passages (i.e. Kraid's corridor in 3.) In Prime, everything is there, all laid out for you.
The sound track is mostly ok, but what's up with the crap, intrusive techo. So much for the cool, subtle/atmospheric/moody music from 3. Hey N, how about doing an EA and use crappy flavor-of-the-month-band junk in your games, the kids will love that. Samus can listen to Back Street Sync Town Dudes on her helmet radio. In addition to half pipes, there can be places where you can grind on railings, and you can get bonus points for performing tricks.
Also, no more stupid scanning and silly little puzzles (again, conveinent for the pirates to place all of the morph-ball slots every where.) Metroid is not a puzzle game series. It is about platforming, exploration, and skill. This is not zelda, do not homoginize all of your games into the same silly formula.
In short, Prime is a FPS with some quasi-metroid elements tacked on. If you're going to make it 3d, use a camera scheme like ED, where it is unique for each area. Then, you can retain most if not all of the elements that made the previous games so cool. If retro can't pull it off, let Intelligent systems handle it. They know a thing or two about making a great metroid game.
Post by: Sonicjam on April 12, 2003, 06:30:15 PM
I found all the item but can't remember how to get them agian o well
Post by: Otacon305 on April 15, 2003, 12:27:06 PM
