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Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: Peachylala on November 04, 2008, 07:13:27 PM
Do I suck for not wanting this game and wanting another Rocket Knight Adventures game instead?
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: TofuFury on November 05, 2008, 01:50:04 AM
They should do both. I'm probably going to pick this up, but I would buy a new Rocket Knight game in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 08, 2009, 08:28:22 PM
Well this game is coming out on the 17th.If you preorder from Amazon you get an art book and soundtrack.The game costs $34.99.
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: Mannypon on March 09, 2009, 12:57:30 AM
Oh man, it looks like I'm the only one dieing to get this game in my hands lol. I'm a huge Suikoden fan and have 1-5 in my collection. I just can't get enough of collecting the 108 characters and seeing how they expand my home base. Thank god Konami hasn't given up on this franchise, hope they eventually make 6 for the Wii. I'm suprised this game isn't getting more of a buzz. Just by pictures alone, it looks amazing IMO. I think its the prettiest rpg on the DS hands down but I guess that could be argued. The backdrops in this game are alot better than what we've seen for the most part for DS rpgs.
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 09, 2009, 04:10:03 AM
Yeah it does look great.This will be my first Suikoden.I'm not sure when I'll get it.
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: SirSniffy on March 13, 2009, 12:32:10 PM
Does anyone know how many of the stars there will be playable this time?
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: Mannypon on March 13, 2009, 04:38:00 PM
As far as I know and have heard, all 108 should be playable in this game.
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: KnowsNothing on March 13, 2009, 07:08:29 PM
In for the Rocket Knight love. That needs to come to the DS.
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2009, 08:02:57 PM
So what is special about this series?
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on March 14, 2009, 12:09:05 AM
It's the first suikoden on a Nintendo system and the Wi-Fi features are pretty interesting you can loan out characters to your friend who doesn't have the characters. And there are also Wi-Fi specific quests.
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 14, 2009, 12:20:09 AM
I think GP was wondering what this series was about.I'm going out on a limb here but I think Golden hasn't played this series. So she probably wants some info on it.As do I.
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: Mannypon on March 14, 2009, 08:33:38 PM
Well GP, I've played 1-5 and I'm a big fan of the series. The storylines from 1 through 5 are connected and there are fansites out there detailing all the characters and how the stories intertwine. I can't ever really remember much of anything in between games though so I can never link the stories up besides noticing returning characters.. There really isn't anything amazing about the series, its just a solid old school rpg.
The only thing that separates Suikoden from other rpgs is that there are 108 characters for you to recruit and you eventually get a headquarters which gets upgraded and filled with each character you recruit. It has that same addictive quality as pokemon in that regard.
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 14, 2009, 10:19:30 PM
Well GP, I've played 1-5 and I'm a big fan of the series. The storylines from 1 through 5 are connected and there are fansites out there detailing all the characters and how the stories intertwine. I can't ever really remember much of anything in between games though so I can never link the stories up besides noticing returning characters.. There really isn't anything amazing about the series, its just a solid old school rpg.
The only thing that separates Suikoden from other rpgs is that there are 108 characters for you to recruit and you eventually get a headquarters which gets upgraded and filled with each character you recruit. It has that same addictive quality as pokemon in that regard.
Interesting, well I may pick up this new one sometime. Does it have random battles?
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 14, 2009, 10:43:58 PM
Golden it does have random battles and is turn based. It states that in the hands on article in the OP.:)
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: Mannypon on March 15, 2009, 12:43:54 AM
Yeah, as stated above, it does have turned based battles and all that good stuff (if thats your bag lol). The suikoden series is as traditional as you get. If anyone is ever interested in getting into the series, I can tell you which ones I consider to be the best in the bunch.
Suikoden 1 was a great old school rpg Suikoden 2 is the pinnacle IMO of the series. It expanded on everything introduced in the first and all following sequals have been stripped of some of the great ideas introduced here (for god knows what reason) Suikoden 3 was the series first jump to 3d. It had a good story and interesting system but the headquarters sucked compared to the previous 2. Suikoden 4 was a mess moreso becuase of bugs and gameplay issues. It feels unfinished Suikoden 5 was a return to form and put the series somewhat back on track.
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: SirSniffy on March 15, 2009, 09:02:11 AM
Manny, you explained the Suikoden series PERFECTLY! I ALWAYS buy the Suikoden games, and while they are not always perfect, I end up enjoying them. I'm kind of excited that Nintendo finally has a Suikoden game...I hope they bring one to the Wii someday.
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: Mannypon on March 15, 2009, 12:20:43 PM
Thanks lol, I do aim to please lol. I'm also glad Nintendo got a Suikoden game on their system. I'm still baffled by all the negative buzz and reactions to this game from the Suikoden fanbase, even when it was announced. It seems they wanted this to be released on the PS2 or 3. Yet Suikoden has never been about graphics so PS3 is out of the question. The budget for Suikoden games has always seem to be the low, specially from 4-5.
Alot of fans are upset over not including the runes in this game and removing the massive battles and duels. Some have even refused to accept this game as a Suikoden game becuase of these omitions which is a shame. To me, what has always made a Suikoden game is the 108 stars of destiny and the headquarters. The runes to me were just another aspect to the story similar to Espers and crystals in FF and Remnants in the Last Remnant. I don't take the removal of runes that seriously. The removal of duels and massive battles I can understand given the move to the DS. Taking part in a massive battle when your on the run and might have to stop playing at any given moment isn't the best move. The only way to avoid this would be to allow saves during massive battles and this feature could be exploited in order to avoid the death of one of the 108 stars of destiny.
I hope this game sells well and warrents a sequal in Konami's eyes. I believe the Wii is the perfect home for the Suikoden series given that they haven't always had the biggest budgets and graphics weren't what the series was known for. A move to the PS3 or 360 don't make sense, it'll cost too much money to produce such a niche/cult status game.
On a side note, I forgot to mention that besides the main series, there was a Suikoden SRPG made for the PS2 that shed more light on Suikoden 4's story but I haven't played that game yet. Its on my huge list of games yet to purchase.
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: SirSniffy on March 15, 2009, 12:47:22 PM
I'm still baffled by all the negative buzz and reactions to this game from the Suikoden fanbase, even when it was announced.
Well, at first, I was a little skeptical when I saw that there were not six fully playable characters in battle. I had always considered this to be a crucial component of the Suikoden games. However, last year I began to start seeing series as distinct parts of a whole. No two games in a series should be exactly the same. Also, series must change and evolve. As long as there are the 108 stars, and it is called Suikoden, iit counts as a full Suikoden game to me. Just because it's missing a few elements of other games that I liked, that shouldn't disqualify it.
But I swear if Viki is not in it, I will cut Konami's soul! J/K :P
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 16, 2009, 04:13:56 AM
I just heard the Retronauts episode on them and it sounds like a great series with powerful writing (well at least 1-3 and 5). Too bad the PS One games are so hard to find. Since they are so expensive now, would you guys recommend Suikoden 3 and 5?
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: Stratos on March 16, 2009, 05:13:35 AM
I'm intrigued now. Thanks for you guys' descriptions of the game. One question though, do characters have a group level up system where exp is shared with the whole group (like Knight of the Old Republic) or will some characters fall behind in levels if you fail to include them in your active party often? I don't recall anything about that in the impressions.
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: SirSniffy on March 16, 2009, 10:25:25 AM
I highly recommend Suikoden 3 and 5...they are pretty cheap right now. Yes, characters who don't fight WILL be behind in battles, but its not as bad as you think. Honestly, you won't even probably use many of the characters. People tend to get a party that they like, and stick with it.
Of course for variety, you could mix and match them later on.
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: Mannypon on March 16, 2009, 01:05:05 PM
As SirSniffy stated above, 3 and 5 are good. 3 has a trinity system going on where you go through 4 chapters I believe. The first 3 chapters show you the story from 3 different point of views using different set of characters. Chapter 4 I think is when everyone unites and the story picks up from there. Its a nice approach but the headquarters in the game is lacking compared to the scope displayed in the rest of the series.
Suikoden 5 was a return to the form of 1 and 2 (although not as good IMO). I think I'm more attached to the originals moreso than 3 and beyond becuase they are a better overall product and moreso becuase they used sprites. Thats a personal taste for me so if your not into old school graphics and spritework, then you might not see much of a dfference between the old and the new games besides some of the headquarter details.
One thing I think I forgot to mention was that the headquarters isn't just a hub for you to switch characters in or out, it was almost like its own village. Events sometimes took place inside your headquarters if you were willing to find them (this happened in 1 and 2 I think moreso than in 3-5 but don't quote me on that). You had your own blacksmith, item shop, weapon shop, bars and living quarters. Just seeing your headquarters grow with each new recruit was so fun. Suikoden 3's week headquarters though took away some of that enjoyment though.
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 17, 2009, 08:24:43 PM
Supposedly Suikoden 1 is on the US PS3 via download. That probably means there is a good chance for two as well!
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: decoyman on March 18, 2009, 05:23:38 PM
What's in a name? I had heard of Suikoden before, but never knew what it was. To hear it was a traditional RPG series was quite the shock.
I always thought it was like a shmup or something.
From a marketing standpoint, they may have done better to use at least a subtitle that made some sense. :P
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 18, 2009, 05:36:00 PM
What's in a name? I had heard of Suikoden before, but never knew what it was. To hear it was a traditional RPG series was quite the shock.
I always thought it was like a shmup or something.
From a marketing standpoint, they may have done better to use at least a subtitle that made some sense. :P
I was actually thinking about that. It is way to Japanese sounding. In fact when I heard it originally I thought it was some import series that people loved.
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: Stratos on March 18, 2009, 05:48:07 PM
What's in a name? I had heard of Suikoden before, but never knew what it was. To hear it was a traditional RPG series was quite the shock.
I always thought it was like a shmup or something.
From a marketing standpoint, they may have done better to use at least a subtitle that made some sense. :P
I was actually thinking about that. It is way to Japanese sounding. In fact when I heard it originally I thought it was some import series that people loved.
I thought it was an advanced form of Sudoku at first... :P
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: SirSniffy on March 21, 2009, 10:54:58 AM
Anybody get the game yet? I'm probably gonna pick it up later on today along with GTA:CTW. I can't believe it...a Suikoden on a Nintendo system. :o
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 21, 2009, 09:34:47 PM
Anybody get the game yet? I'm probably gonna pick it up later on today along with GTA:CTW. I can't believe it...a Suikoden on a Nintendo system. :o
Got it in the mail yesterday. Haven't played it yet though (I got Suikoden 5 too today)
Title: Re: Suikoden: Tierkreis is heading to DS.
Post by: Mannypon on March 21, 2009, 10:00:30 PM
I'm pissed, I preordered this game off Amazon and it ain't due to arrive till Tuesday the 24th. All that just for the preorder bonus which I heard isn't worth it but being the fan that I am, I bit. I could've gotten this day one at the store but now I have to wait. Really looking foward to playing this though. Glad to see some jumping into the Suikoden universe though lol.
