Post by: Jonnyboy117 on August 30, 2008, 04:11:00 AM
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/podcastArt.cfm?artid=16601
Sometimes I wonder.
Episode 113: Indigo Popsicle
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Greg is off to America to visit some football stadium, so Nick fills in for a huge episode that Karl foolishly volunteered to edit ahead of time. We're still building up a good pile of Listener Mail for next week, so be sure to send in your questions and comments!
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An atypically wonderful week for DLC Mondays leads into a contentious argument over pricing of downloaded games, so we just made this its own segment. After a second break, Nick and Jonny dominate a special discussion of storytelling in video games, centering around their reflections on Indigo Prophecy but also pulling in other games like Eternal Darkness.
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Post by: Crimm on August 30, 2008, 03:11:34 AM
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Post by: AV on August 30, 2008, 02:36:17 PM
I really enjoyed Eternal Darkness I was low on money and I sold it to buy Meteos for DS. I felt so bad, but at the same time I didn't play that game in forever. I still miss it. ( This was back when Meteos originally released)
How I would change up Eternal Darkness.
1) Remake, not sequel ( I heard it sold terrible so why make a sequel )
I would make every color you choose, you would have 3 different sets of insanity effects. So with each color you get different ones that way it stays fresh, and with Wii they can do some amazing stuff to really throw you off. (have the low battery announcement come up but be a LIE)
Obviously clean up the FMV which was compressed. Maybe change the set up for levels with different colors like you would play the entire level in 1st person if you pick green, but red is 3rd person like normal.
Throw in some different levels here and their for different colors and you got yourself one great package. I really loved the insanity effects so i was disappointed they sometimes recycled them.
Is Greg in Denver or St. Paul? I assume Denver, but since you guys frown on talking about politics talking about what region of the US can be a clue.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 30, 2008, 04:14:58 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 30, 2008, 04:51:06 PM
Seriously, Wild West Guns may not be the best WiiWare game on the service, and it's not, but it's fun, and certainly not anywhere close to in the same league as Pong Toss. And since he ignores what I have to say on the subject (and really, why should you listen to the opinions of someone who plays a lot of WiiWare games on the subject of WiiWare games?) I'll link you to the 6.8 from IGN (http://wii.ign.com/articles/897/897145p1.html) and the 7 from WiiWare World (http://www.wiiware-world.com/reviews/2008/08/wild_west_guns). Also, for the record, Midnight Pool: 7.0 from IGN (http://wii.ign.com/articles/900/900152p1.html), 8 from WiiWare World (http://www.wiiware-world.com/reviews/2008/08/midnight_pool).
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on August 30, 2008, 05:15:42 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 30, 2008, 05:54:26 PM
I don't think you can blame Nintendo for the lack of originality on the service apart from the lack of Nintendo-developed titles. Thanks to Nintendo's policy of letting anything on the service as long as it won't brick your Wii, shopping for WiiWare games is like shopping for retail games; there's going to be a fair amount of crap and a whole lot of mediocrity in addition to the good stuff.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 30, 2008, 05:58:51 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 30, 2008, 06:03:12 PM
There's a difference between not being interested in something and bashing it. I liked the shooting gallery and billiards portions of Wii Play but would rather have them immediately available to me as channels than on a disc so the two games are perfect for me.
I don't think you can blame Nintendo for the lack of originality on the service apart from the lack of Nintendo-developed titles. Thanks to Nintendo's policy of letting anything on the service as long as it won't brick your Wii, shopping for WiiWare games is like shopping for retail games; there's going to be a fair amount of crap and a whole lot of mediocrity in addition to the good stuff.
Wiiware games also go through a Q&A check to see if there are no major bugs, when I bought castle crashers on XBLA for 1200MS points which is $15 me and a friend wanted to play co-op online but guess what? The online mode causes either 3 wonderful things 1. Kicks every player from the game and into the main menu when it tries to launch a game 2. Kicks everyone out right before a boss or in the middle of a level 3. Same as number 2 except freezes the entire game to a point where you need to do a hard reset of the console.
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Post by: Schadenfreude on September 01, 2008, 06:12:47 PM
That Indigo Prophecy discussion got me really excited to play it, since I just bought it recently. Some people may gripe that there wasn't enough Nintendo talk this episode, but I think it's good to look at other games, especially ones that were overlooked. It's not like there is a lot going on outside of downloadable games for the Wii right now.
Post by: AV on September 01, 2008, 06:41:30 PM
Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXQS--4y4JU)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKMva2iX-x4)
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 01, 2008, 07:20:32 PM
SWEET
Post by: Crimm on September 01, 2008, 07:42:03 PM
Post by: AV on September 01, 2008, 09:36:08 PM
We're being pirated!
SWEET
hate to burst your bubble, but I contacted Johnny and he gave me the ok.
I am a true Internet celebrity! Actually I was laughing at the various boxarts. Good work!
I was considering putting video clips of the game, but decided against it since the audio is the star of the show the video is just something to keep you busy.
What episode was the "man beam" discussion with Cho Anike releasing in europe. Months after that podcast I remember it well, boy that was some funny stuff. I'll post that. I was thinking about posting all the times I sent mail and you guys answered it, but I got lazy and to many episodes.
Post by: Schadenfreude on September 01, 2008, 10:43:06 PM
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Post by: Schadenfreude on September 02, 2008, 11:16:49 PM
Yeah, and it's not as hilarious as inconsistency can be, like if he were to continue on like this and then do a 180 and give Wii Music a 9.5 review.
That's not a 180, that's just crazy.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 02, 2008, 11:25:45 PM
Yeah, and it's not as hilarious as inconsistency can be, like if he were to continue on like this and then do a 180 and give Wii Music a 9.5 review.
That's not a 180, that's just crazy.
No, it's both.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 03, 2008, 12:26:26 AM
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 03, 2008, 01:04:12 AM
This is the same problem I have with $34.99 and $39.99 Nintendo DS games...there's nothing you can do on the DS that would get me to pay more than $29.99 for a game, no matter what it is. I won't pay $39.99 for a PSP game, let alone a DS game.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 03, 2008, 01:07:54 AM
The problem I have with paying $15 for a WiiWare game is that it's using old tech. At least the games on Xbox Live Arcade and Playstation Network need a little more development time (and cost) to be put into HD, have more intensive visuals, and are typically larger games in terms of size and scope. Therefore, I'll begrudgingly pay the extra cost, but I'm not a huge fan of paying $15 for Braid either.
This is the same problem I have with $34.99 and $39.99 Nintendo DS games...there's nothing you can do on the DS that would get me to pay more than $29.99 for a game, no matter what it is. I won't pay $39.99 for a PSP game, let alone a DS game.
Says Lindy who paid $20 for Space Invaders and a Paddle controller.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 03, 2008, 01:10:57 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 03, 2008, 01:16:09 AM
I didn't pay more than $29.99 for the game though, did I? Peripherals are in a different class entirely.
Even at 19.99 you are still talking about a "primitive" game even for DS. So flip that around and put a fully fledged Mario platformer on the VC, how is that not worth $15?
A games value is dependent NOT on development cost unless you want to get into super goofy and incoherent territory or the system it is on. It depends on what the user gets out of it and what they FEEL it is worth to them which can range from replayability, production value, story, visuals, length, creativity, and above all us, how much they feel the FUN they are having is worth. It is obnoxious to state that X game should be X price based on something as silly as development cost or the "hardware it is on".
This kind of ties in with the podcast in the discussion over Indigo Prophecy? From most accounts the game was not that visually attractive and didn't have super big production values that took full advantage of the hardware, so would that mean it wasn't worth full price?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 03, 2008, 01:19:47 AM
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on September 03, 2008, 01:21:35 AM
The problem I have with paying $15 for a WiiWare game is that it's using old tech. At least the games on Xbox Live Arcade and Playstation Network need a little more development time (and cost) to be put into HD, have more intensive visuals, and are typically larger games in terms of size and scope. Therefore, I'll begrudgingly pay the extra cost, but I'm not a huge fan of paying $15 for Braid either.Wow, no offense, but you REALLY come off as a graphics whore here. I can understand the WiiWare argument--the games so far seem very limited in scope due to file size restrictions and a general lack of effort. But I can't follow your DS comment. Portables have ALWAYS been "old tech," due to battery life and portability restrictions. I'd argue the DS's touch screen makes it "newer tech" than the PSP in terms of what it can lend to game design. Anyway, the DS (and even the GBA) are more than capable of providing a full-featured gaming experience (online gaming notwithstanding, I suppose). Even some GB(C) games can compete with 8-bit and 16-bit console classics in quality and depth. So unless you've never been OK with spending $35 on a portable game, and you can't enjoy games without whiz-bang graphics, your statement is bogus.
This is the same problem I have with $34.99 and $39.99 Nintendo DS games...there's nothing you can do on the DS that would get me to pay more than $29.99 for a game, no matter what it is. I won't pay $39.99 for a PSP game, let alone a DS game.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 03, 2008, 01:22:11 AM
I guess my $10 price point comes from the investment that I've already made in the console, and the price of other software. And besides, like you just said, it's how I feel. I don't feel that any WiiWare game will be worth $15. I have yet to be disproven, but I'd love to be. Most Wii games aren't worth $50 to me, either.
Funny I feel the exact same way about most PS3 games! ;)
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 03, 2008, 01:51:47 AM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 03, 2008, 02:17:08 AM
Overall, that should make the PSP worthless, and it is. But I don't pay for tech. Just you do, Silks.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 03, 2008, 02:35:13 AM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 03, 2008, 02:37:28 AM
I remember a time when you spent money on games you thought were going to be good, not what was technically superior.
Ya sorry, some of us, including myself started asking for more.
I don't subscribe to the techno blah blah group, I believe there is a balence though and I will damn well always ask for more from the market. It's my harsh love, really.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 03, 2008, 02:45:34 AM
I remember a time when you spent money on games you thought were going to be good, not what was technically superior.
Ya sorry, some of us, including myself started asking for more.
I don't subscribe to the techno blah blah group, I believe there is a balence though and I will damn well always ask for more from the market. It's my harsh love, really.
DAaaMan and Lindy on the same page...CONFIRMED
I would really hate to be someone who judges a games merits solely on the technical aspects of the game when determining value. Guess that means I should hate Boom Blox. Heck I might as well say "Mario Galaxy should be 19.99 because Xbox 360 has better graphics!"
Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 03, 2008, 02:54:51 AM
I remember a time when you spent money on games you thought were going to be good, not what was technically superior.
Ya sorry, some of us, including myself started asking for more.
I don't subscribe to the techno blah blah group, I believe there is a balence though and I will damn well always ask for more from the market. It's my harsh love, really.
DAaaMan and Lindy on the same page...CONFIRMED
I would really hate to be someone who judges a games merits solely on the technical aspects of the game when determining value. Guess that means I should hate Boom Blox. Heck I might as well say "Mario Galaxy should be 19.99 because Xbox 360 has better graphics!"
Thats a far stretch from what I said.
They way I see it, gameplay over graphics, of course. again something I shouldn't have to be saying, but I can always demand nice graphics and I love to see them. How I love me the market, but it is but sad harsh love.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 03, 2008, 03:05:07 AM
I remember a time when you spent money on games you thought were going to be good, not what was technically superior.
Ya sorry, some of us, including myself started asking for more.
I don't subscribe to the techno blah blah group, I believe there is a balence though and I will damn well always ask for more from the market. It's my harsh love, really.
DAaaMan and Lindy on the same page...CONFIRMED
I would really hate to be someone who judges a games merits solely on the technical aspects of the game when determining value. Guess that means I should hate Boom Blox. Heck I might as well say "Mario Galaxy should be 19.99 because Xbox 360 has better graphics!"
Thats a far stretch from what I said.
They way I see it, gameplay over graphics, of course. again something I shouldn't have to be saying, but I can always demand nice graphics and I love to see them. How I love me the market, but it is but sad harsh love.
That is fine if you are talking about graphics on the same system. What Lindy is saying is that a Wii game (or in his example a WiiWare game) is of less value regardless of its depth or even the work put into it than a 360 Arcade game.
Post by: Kairon on September 03, 2008, 04:06:51 AM
If I can have fun with a game and the price fits that fun, I don't care if it's on the PS3, DS, or Dos 3.1.
Heck, I went and bought River City Ransom for $15 at a Funcoland around ten years ago just because that game is an amazing brawler/RPG combo (with co-op!). God I love that game... totally worth it to plug it into my NES. Old technology? Bah. A unique, fun, experience.
... Oh, and uh... I'd pay $50 bucks for the Monkey Island games if they ever rereleased...
Post by: ShyGuy on September 03, 2008, 10:39:40 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 03, 2008, 12:08:31 PM
Personally, I'd pay $20 for DWARF FORTRESS.
If I can have fun with a game and the price fits that fun, I don't care if it's on the PS3, DS, or Dos 3.1.
Heck, I went and bought River City Ransom for $15 at a Funcoland around ten years ago just because that game is an amazing brawler/RPG combo (with co-op!). God I love that game... totally worth it to plug it into my NES. Old technology? Bah. A unique, fun, experience.
... Oh, and uh... I'd pay $50 bucks for the Monkey Island games if they ever rereleased...
Kairon makes a good point, what about those classic games that sell for $50-100? I mean that is the ONLY way to get the CD-I Zelda games. ;)
Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 03, 2008, 01:46:25 PM
Personally, I'd pay $20 for DWARF FORTRESS.
If I can have fun with a game and the price fits that fun, I don't care if it's on the PS3, DS, or Dos 3.1.
Heck, I went and bought River City Ransom for $15 at a Funcoland around ten years ago just because that game is an amazing brawler/RPG combo (with co-op!). God I love that game... totally worth it to plug it into my NES. Old technology? Bah. A unique, fun, experience.
... Oh, and uh... I'd pay $50 bucks for the Monkey Island games if they ever rereleased...
Kairon makes a good point, what about those classic games that sell for $50-100? I mean that is the ONLY way to get the CD-I Zelda games. ;)
I WOULDN'T pay for those, and most of the market wouldn't. I think thats why there isn't a large market for these high priced games ;).
I'm amazing how many 60 dollar 360 games and PS3 games people buy.
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on September 03, 2008, 04:14:53 PM
I currently own four Xbox 360 games but only paid full price for one of them (GTAIV). I got Crackdown for $15 used, Burnout Paradise for $20 new, and Call of Duty 4 for $40 new. I've also played through Gears of War and Assassin's Creed through GameFly for the equivalent of $5-10 each. I think the $60 price tag for HD games is too high, and it's one thing keeping people from buying those systems (but the hardware price is a much bigger issue).
Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 03, 2008, 04:17:03 PM
I'd pay $50 for Dragon Quest IV if I wasn't (probably) going to get it for free to review.
I currently own four Xbox 360 games but only paid full price for one of them (GTAIV). I got Crackdown for $15 used, Burnout Paradise for $20 new, and Call of Duty 4 for $40 new. I've also played through Gears of War and Assassin's Creed through GameFly for the equivalent of $5-10 each. I think the $60 price tag for HD games is too high, and it's one thing keeping people from buying those systems (but the hardware price is a much bigger issue).
It's not that I'm arguing that people won't or there isn't a market for that, I just won't pay that much ;)
I tend to thing that game systems and games that cost that much are niche anyway.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 03, 2008, 04:19:53 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 03, 2008, 05:09:52 PM
Post by: D_Average on September 03, 2008, 05:21:18 PM
I really think the $60 price point for 360 and PS3 is borderline retarded. It is hilarious when you get a BETTER version of most of those games on PC including better technology for $10-20 less.
True, but I'd rather game from the comforts of my home theater...
(http://www.winkk.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/what-your-cyber-mate-may-really-look-like.jpg)
Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 03, 2008, 05:41:12 PM
I really think the $60 price point for 360 and PS3 is borderline retarded. It is hilarious when you get a BETTER version of most of those games on PC including better technology for $10-20 less.
True, but I'd rather game from the comforts of my home theater...
(http://www.winkk.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/what-your-cyber-mate-may-really-look-like.jpg)
yes I agree and for us linux users the persuasion goes even deeper. I also hate installing stuff or wasting anytime configuring.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 03, 2008, 05:43:56 PM
I really think the $60 price point for 360 and PS3 is borderline retarded. It is hilarious when you get a BETTER version of most of those games on PC including better technology for $10-20 less.
True, but I'd rather game from the comforts of my home theater...
(http://www.winkk.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/what-your-cyber-mate-may-really-look-like.jpg)
Which is why it is the gullible fee. ;)
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on September 03, 2008, 06:02:23 PM
I am more than happy to buy the PC version of a game under two conditions:
1) Doesn't require a console-style game pad, because I don't own one. Plus, I would probably rather play that kind of game on a console.
2) The developer/publisher is known for quality PC versions. Some companies like Activision and Capcom do release their games for PC but in crappier versions.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 03, 2008, 06:07:13 PM
PLEASE stop quoting that photo!
I am more than happy to buy the PC version of a game under two conditions:
1) Doesn't require a console-style game pad, because I don't own one. Plus, I would probably rather play that kind of game on a console.
2) The developer/publisher is known for quality PC versions. Some companies like Activision and Capcom do release their games for PC but in crappier versions.
That is true from time to time regarding ports to PC but it seems it is rare. DMC4 and Lost Planet from what I understand are great ports to PC and since I have a 360 gamepad I have no control issues.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 03, 2008, 06:21:47 PM
2) What are you referring to, exactly? Performance issues? Missing features?
Post by: AV on September 03, 2008, 06:23:25 PM
I wouldn't mind paying 1500 Wiipoints for a game as long as its a fantastic game.
I had no problem playing $12 for Sin and Punishment for Virtual Console and my friend and I only played it once, but it was really really fun few hours. even if it was only 3 hours I had no problem paying for Lost Winds for $10.
The mental block is set by the fact you can buy 2000 points cards. So $15 is the Vast majority of that card is what 90%. yes you can buy more points online with debat/credit card (30-50 range) but I tend to only buy 2000 points from that anyway since i don't buy games on that all the time so the points usually stay on my wii until something seriously peeks my interest. So the question pops up is the game worth the majority of points i have?
Not only that do I have space for that?
Like said in the podcast, I don't want to go threw the BS of deleting games. If the file is to big.
Post by: Crimm on September 03, 2008, 08:26:16 PM
but I thought I heard the 360 controller works with a PC out of the box.
It does not. There is a version 360 controller for PC.
Post by: Smakian on September 03, 2008, 09:16:04 PM
Of course, the offset for cheaper PC games is the additional money one puts into a truly quality gaming rig versus any of the consoles.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 03, 2008, 09:37:49 PM
That is fine if you are talking about graphics on the same system. What Lindy is saying is that a Wii game (or in his example a WiiWare game) is of less value regardless of its depth or even the work put into it than a 360 Arcade game.
As a general rule, yeah. It's like how I expect to pay more for a PSP game vs. a DS game...because there's more development overhead involved on PSP, I can understand being charged a bit more for the end product.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 03, 2008, 10:16:24 PM
On the subject, I liked Karl's bookends. Let's have him edit every week!
Post by: Kairon on September 03, 2008, 10:31:03 PM
Yeah, the extra money for console vs. pc games is a "convenience fee" of sorts. One that I don't mind paying. If I really want a game for PC (e.g. Oblivion), I'll wait until the Game of the Year Edition is released, and then get that for as cheap as I can.That is fine if you are talking about graphics on the same system. What Lindy is saying is that a Wii game (or in his example a WiiWare game) is of less value regardless of its depth or even the work put into it than a 360 Arcade game.
As a general rule, yeah. It's like how I expect to pay more for a PSP game vs. a DS game...because there's more development overhead involved on PSP, I can understand being charged a bit more for the end product.
This is an view of end-pricing driven by the cost of making the product, as opposed to a view towards pricing a product according to how much the end user wants it, and what the market can bear. Both are probably applicable, though I personally believe the market-oriented approach is and should be more dominant.
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on September 04, 2008, 11:55:17 AM
but I thought I heard the 360 controller works with a PC out of the box.
It does not. There is a version 360 controller for PC.
True, MS sells a PC-branded 360 controller for ten dollars more. It's EXACTLY the same as the corded 360 controller. But I have a wireless controller, which doesn't work on PC. In fact, all 360 SKUs now include the wireless controller.
As for inferior PC versions of multiplatform games, there are numerous examples ranging from Madden to Spider-Man. Publishers usually dump the PC version onto a small dev studio with little quality control. That trend may be changing... as more companies now don't even bother releasing PC versions.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 04, 2008, 12:21:06 PM
Post by: Yoshidious on September 04, 2008, 03:42:54 PM
D_Average, I'm afraid my days were so full due to travel time (from Aurora where we were staying), various convention-related appointments and associated hanging around for things to begin that I had practically no downtime in Denver at all. It was all pretty gruelling in its own way, but it was certainly a very worthwhile experience nevertheless. In any case, I appreciate the thought and regret that I didn't get to see more of the city in my time there.
Post by: Smakian on September 04, 2008, 04:11:54 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 04, 2008, 05:28:36 PM
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 04, 2008, 05:48:22 PM
This is an view of end-pricing driven by the cost of making the product, as opposed to a view towards pricing a product according to how much the end user wants it, and what the market can bear. Both are probably applicable, though I personally believe the market-oriented approach is and should be more dominant.
I think the ideal price would be a balance of the two. The consumer wants a markup that's reasonable, while the producer wants to get as much money for the product as possible regardless of production cost. I guess what I'm saying is that there's a tipping point where the consumer thinks that the markup is unreasonable, and the producer is just being greedy. That tipping point for me with DS games is $30.
Of course, even $30 is arbitrary...I might be getting screwed at that point too, but it doesn't feel like it because $30 has been the "magical" price point for portable games for a long, long time.
Makes me want to go out and read a book on how companies determine the price points for their products.
Post by: D_Average on September 04, 2008, 06:03:44 PM
D_Average, I'm afraid my days were so full due to travel time (from Aurora where we were staying), various convention-related appointments and associated hanging around for things to begin that I had practically no downtime in Denver at all. It was all pretty gruelling in its own way, but it was certainly a very worthwhile experience nevertheless. In any case, I appreciate the thought and regret that I didn't get to see more of the city in my time there.
Well glad to hear you made it out and back alright! Did you at least bump into John Oliver? He had some pretty good interviews while he was here. I've been listening to The Bugle per your recommendation, great show!
Post by: Yoshidious on September 04, 2008, 06:53:05 PM
This trip was my fourth to the United States, and I've enjoyed myself there immensely on all four occasions, so yes ShyGuy it was predictably quite awesome. Hopefully it won't be too long before I can get out there again and catch a Bills game sometime (although I could also do that in Canada now, sigh).
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 04, 2008, 06:57:23 PM
This trip was my fourth to the United States, and I've enjoyed myself there immensely on all four occasions, so yes ShyGuy it was predictably quite awesome. Hopefully it won't be too long before I can get out there again and catch aBillsFalcons game sometime (although I could also do that in Canada now, sigh).
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Post by: D_Average on September 04, 2008, 07:27:38 PM
This trip was my fourth to the United States, and I've enjoyed myself there immensely on all four occasions, so yes ShyGuy it was predictably quite awesome. Hopefully it won't be too long before I can get out there again and catch aBillsFalcons game sometime (although I could also do that in Canada now, sigh).
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Hate to tell you this, but I just picked Detroit to win over Atlanta in Survivor Football....
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 04, 2008, 08:43:47 PM
Post by: Crimm on September 04, 2008, 10:32:40 PM
This trip was my fourth to the United States, and I've enjoyed myself there immensely on all four occasions, so yes ShyGuy it was predictably quite awesome. Hopefully it won't be too long before I can get out there again and catch aBillsFalcons game sometime (although I could also do that in Canada now, sigh).
Edited for coolness
I'd make a Michael Vick joke but we had him first...
Post by: D_Average on September 04, 2008, 10:42:33 PM
My mind agrees with you. My heart rails against you.
I feel your pain, I'll relive the Bears Super Bowl lose Sunday night as they take another beating from Indy.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 05, 2008, 04:55:41 PM
I have a feeling that Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson are going to run WILD on those young Falcons cornerbacks.
But to make this a somewhat on-topic post, it's great to have Greg back. NWR's favorite Chocobo farmer for sure.
Post by: Kairon on September 05, 2008, 05:11:18 PM
Of course, even $30 is arbitrary...I might be getting screwed at that point too, but it doesn't feel like it because $30 has been the "magical" price point for portable games for a long, long time.
That's interesting. I was about to argue that $50 was a magical price point for console games, but maybe the rise of used game purchases has lowered the expected price that some gamers pay for games? Or maybe a rise in budget games and value-priced re-releases (Player's choice, for example) has also degraded consumer expectations in terms of prices?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 05, 2008, 05:58:19 PM
Of course, even $30 is arbitrary...I might be getting screwed at that point too, but it doesn't feel like it because $30 has been the "magical" price point for portable games for a long, long time.
That's interesting. I was about to argue that $50 was a magical price point for console games, but maybe the rise of used game purchases has lowered the expected price that some gamers pay for games? Or maybe a rise in budget games and value-priced re-releases (Player's choice, for example) has also degraded consumer expectations in terms of prices?
$50 is the magical choice because metacritic says PC has the best games in the WORLD and the other systems don't have that many good games. ;)
Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 05, 2008, 06:20:13 PM
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 05, 2008, 09:36:42 PM
$50 is the magical choice because metacritic says PC has the best games in the WORLD and the other systems don't have that many good games. ;)
OMG DEFINITION WARZ
Post by: ShyGuy on September 06, 2008, 05:19:03 PM
Post by: Schadenfreude on September 06, 2008, 09:48:37 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 06, 2008, 09:53:35 PM
Post by: Crimm on September 06, 2008, 11:47:00 PM
MMMAAAATTTIIIILLLLDDAAAAA
I laugh every time I see that scene. But no, I'm playing something else this week. Also, I'm editing right now.
Full, badass (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Ce1PpYSUc&feature=related), trailer.
Post by: Schadenfreude on September 07, 2008, 10:19:42 PM
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 07, 2008, 11:22:14 PM
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 07, 2008, 11:28:09 PM
We'll be doing it on Tuesdays now. It's NFL football season, after all.
Speaking of which, the Falcons surprised the crap out of me.
Post by: Crimm on September 07, 2008, 11:36:47 PM
BTW: I'm encoding the MP3 now and I've pretty much done all the pre-work for AAC. It will be up in an hour or so.
Post by: vudu on October 09, 2008, 05:20:40 PM
I'm the type of gamer who absolutely must do everything. I feel the need to collect every coin and star bit in Mario Galaxy, even though they don't do much. I can't not kill a zombie in Resident Evil (even when I know they're just going to come back as a Crimson Head later in the game). When playing Phoenix Wright I have to see all the dialog options, even if it means loading up the same save file four times because I accidentally select the correct answer the first time.
I would lose sleep over this game.
Post by: Snipper64 on October 09, 2008, 05:50:05 PM
P.S. What the h... what is with all of the sonic avitors? I have nothing againts sonic nor sega, but is this just a acident? Or are you guys feeding hipnotic sound waves through your podcast telling people to use sonic theme avitors... I know Jonny has the capibilities...
I will find out one way or the other...
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 09, 2008, 06:18:24 PM
Post by: AV on November 12, 2008, 06:28:28 PM
King of Clubs is so worthless they are literally GIVING IT AWAY with a Wii at Sam's Club.
Great deal overall too. (http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2008/11/12/sams-club-wii-bundle-almost-worth-the-black-friday-fight/)
