Gaming Forums => General Gaming => Topic started by: S-U-P-E-R on August 10, 2008, 07:43:21 PM
Title: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on August 10, 2008, 07:43:21 PM
In case you guys didn't hear, a lot of the initial DLC for Soul Calibur 4 is already on the game disc (the costume parts, and Darth/Yoda if they decide to charge for them). I really feel like it's a scam since you already paid for the content on the disc that was already created during the game's normal development cycle. I know Namco already has a bit of a rep for shitty DLC, but I'm surprised MS & Sony are letting them get away with this.
Honestly, DLC should be an incentive for developers to create -new- content AFTER they've already finished developing the game. Am I rite guyz??
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: ShyGuy on August 10, 2008, 07:48:27 PM
Wait, are you offering crackz?
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: nickmitch on August 10, 2008, 08:01:38 PM
I'm so confused. This is typical Ty, but it's not a funhouse thread. WTF is going on?
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Morari on August 10, 2008, 08:01:51 PM
Good developers have never needed incentive to continue supporting their games. Take a look at the likes of Id, Epic, and Blizzard (pre-WoW). They all spent years and years after release fine-tuning gameplay mechanics and often times adding new ones through patches, putting out quality map packs, removing copy protection, and even publicly releasing the source code for the game engines themselves in some instances. Charging money for insignificant **** after the fact is purely an invention of recent console games, only dating back to the Xbox. Microsoft and Sony like it because they get a cut, plain and simple. They don't see anything as part of an audience that they are catering to, only mindless consumers that need marketed to. Sadly, most people seem to prove them correct.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on August 10, 2008, 09:15:37 PM
Even WoW adds lots of content regularly without any extra charges.
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I'm so confused. This is typical Ty, but it's not a funhouse thread. WTF is going on?
It's not typical Ty, it's a serious post >:(
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 10, 2008, 09:31:10 PM
Umm Ty you do know that Scamco always does 108.0kb unlock keys as DLC. Konami also did this with the 360 DDRs.
Also if you haven't heard the only way to get vader on the 360 version is to pay 10 dollars for a cheat code type of thing (it doesn't even have a unlocking key so far)
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: ShyGuy on August 10, 2008, 10:57:19 PM
I don't think it's illegal for somebody to crack the code to unlock Vader is it? You don't sign a contract or agree to a EULA before starting SCIV, right? They could claim implied agreement by launching the software but if I recall correctly that has been struck down in court.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 10, 2008, 11:10:26 PM
Well I think each code is unique and on 360 it will be distributed by XBLA.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 11, 2008, 02:48:39 AM
The worst part is that unlocking all of the costume pieces is an achievement.
It sucks because the create a character mode is the best mode in the whole game, and in order to get the most out of it you have to unlock the costume pieces. And half of them are available through DLC.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: KDR_11k on August 11, 2008, 03:58:09 AM
I don't think it's illegal for somebody to crack the code to unlock Vader is it? You don't sign a contract or agree to a EULA before starting SCIV, right? They could claim implied agreement by launching the software but if I recall correctly that has been struck down in court.
They'll probably use the DMCA on you.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 11, 2008, 06:13:55 AM
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 11, 2008, 10:02:10 AM
Well Bill DLC is a bigger scam if the content is already on the disc that you paid 60 dollars for.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Ian Sane on August 11, 2008, 12:15:09 PM
I agree that having to pay to unlock stuff is bullsh!t. I remember when the concept of "microtransactions" was introduced there was concern about this sort of thing. And those suspicions were correct. Damn. Being right about bad stuff sucks.
While I can obviously see the financial benefits of making us pay for what we already bought I think games should be moving in the opposite direction. Unlocking stuff sucks. I hate how I'll buy a multiplayer focused game but before I invite my friends over I have to f*ck around for hours unlocking everything. I don't mind having to beat level 1 to get to level 2. That makes sense. But if I buy a racing game why can't all the tracks be available from the get go? If there is a create-a-whatever mode why can't EVERYTHING be available? All this unlocking forces us to play games a specific way but sometimes I don't want to do that. As long as they get my money why do devs give a sh!t if I play every mode or just play one part again and again because I want to? Now money is at stake so it makes sense but why did any company before DLC want me to win all the races in single player before being able to race all those tracks in multiplayer. Why did they ever care?
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: ThePerm on August 11, 2008, 01:14:40 PM
lol thats one thing i thought about soul caliburs create a player, unlocking stuff for the mode is bullshit, theres too few options for me to really be creative anyways..they miss the point..if i ever create a game the create a player will be THE BEST. There won't be a way you can't create anyone.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: nickmitch on August 11, 2008, 02:44:15 PM
Even WoW adds lots of content regularly without any extra charges.
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I'm so confused. This is typical Ty, but it's not a funhouse thread. WTF is going on?
It's not typical Ty, it's a serious post >:(
You can MAKE those?!? O_o
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: matt oz on August 11, 2008, 03:22:09 PM
When I rented Beautiful Katamari on the 360, I was surprised that some of the achievements weren't attainable without downloading new levels. So I downloaded one for the hell of it, and all it did was unlock a new level that was already in the game. That's when I understood why everyone calls them Scamco.
The only way it'll stop is if gamers stop buying them. But since gamers are the most masochistic consumers out there, that'll never happen, and we'll probably see more and more companies selling keys to unlock content that you've already bought.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 12, 2008, 02:13:11 AM
I agree that having to pay to unlock stuff is bullsh!t. I remember when the concept of "microtransactions" was introduced there was concern about this sort of thing. And those suspicions were correct. Damn. Being right about bad stuff sucks.
While I can obviously see the financial benefits of making us pay for what we already bought I think games should be moving in the opposite direction. Unlocking stuff sucks. I hate how I'll buy a multiplayer focused game but before I invite my friends over I have to f*ck around for hours unlocking everything. I don't mind having to beat level 1 to get to level 2. That makes sense. But if I buy a racing game why can't all the tracks be available from the get go? If there is a create-a-whatever mode why can't EVERYTHING be available? All this unlocking forces us to play games a specific way but sometimes I don't want to do that. As long as they get my money why do devs give a sh!t if I play every mode or just play one part again and again because I want to? Now money is at stake so it makes sense but why did any company before DLC want me to win all the races in single player before being able to race all those tracks in multiplayer. Why did they ever care?
The way I see it, unlocking stuff is a cheap way to extend the game's replayability and gives players an objective in order to keep playing.
Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 did this perfectly; you unlocked new stuff as you played, whether it was single or multiplayer.
My issue with unlocking stuff is that its sometimes a chore, or you have to accomplish some insane stuff before you can unlock it. Brawl is guilty of this. I had to endure the crappy SSE mode just to unlock the last characters.
If you have to unlock content and bonus features the developers should make it fun, and to an extend easy.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 12, 2008, 02:26:13 AM
The best scam game is a Japanese only game called Aquazone, basically when you start the game you have an empty aquarium. The only way to get fish in your aquarium is to buy DLC unlock keys of fish that are already included in the disc. The total amount of DLC was worth 5,000 MS points ($62.50 in USD) to get all the fish and the only way to get 1,000 achievement points (480 max without any DLC). And if anyone asks this game is basically tamogatchi except in an aquarium.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 12, 2008, 02:42:36 AM
The best scam game is a Japanese only game called Aquazone, basically when you start the game you have an empty aquarium. The only way to get fish in your aquarium is to buy DLC unlock keys of fish that are already included in the disc. The total amount of DLC was worth 5,000 MS points ($62.50 in USD) to get all the fish and the only way to get 1,000 achievement points (480 max without any DLC). And if anyone asks this game is basically tamogatchi except in an aquarium.
And people complain about that WiiWare aquarium game being stupid (its priced at 5 bucks, and you get all of the content from day one).
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: nickmitch on August 12, 2008, 04:23:08 AM
It's still a fucking aquarium game.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: KDR_11k on August 12, 2008, 06:56:07 AM
Wait, 480 archievement points without DLC when you can't even do anything in the game without DLC?
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 12, 2008, 08:41:02 PM
Most of the stuff in Final Fantasy: My Life as a King on Wii is already in the main game too, and you pay to unlock it as well. You can get it for free by hex editing your gamesave even.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 12, 2008, 11:42:01 PM
fortunately, I got it free by not enjoying the game that much.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: KDR_11k on August 13, 2008, 05:06:18 AM
I got it for mostly free because I used stars to pay for those VC points.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: redgiemental on August 13, 2008, 08:42:43 AM
Well I was on the fence about whether to get this game. This has decided it. This game shall remain off my 360 and Namco won't be getting any money for any DLC from me ever!
DLC done right is the TNA game coming out. THe roster of wrestlers is constantly evolving and a new guy could be intensely popular not long after release. The developers have said they would be open to adding new wrestlers to the game after release. This I have no problem with buying. It wasn't included in the game because the wrestler wasn't there or wasn't important at the time and now that he is they are creating him and releasing him online.
This is a good use of DLC. This Soul Calibur BS is just asking customers to pay more to get the full game.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Morari on August 13, 2008, 10:25:01 AM
Now if only EA would simply release one good Madden every few years and leave the roster updates to DLC...
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 13, 2008, 09:14:45 PM
Now if only EA would simply release one good Madden every few years and leave the roster updates to DLC...
Every other year would be fine. It would save me money as no matter what I plan on doing I always end up buying Madden every year.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Morari on August 13, 2008, 09:37:17 PM
I've never purchased a Madden title, and have only played one on the Sega Genesis--it was fun enough. This new one for the Wii looks intriguing however, but I simply cannot force myself to spend $50 on what will be completely obsolete next year. Maybe if the games were priced lower (y'know, like Sega did before EA bought off the NFL) or weren't released as often I'd take the plunge, but as it is, I just can't... especially since I don't particularly care for football.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 13, 2008, 09:48:37 PM
If you don't care for football then you won't mind or even notice that rosters are outdated and then it wouldn't be obsolete in a year.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: KDR_11k on August 14, 2008, 02:43:40 AM
I remember when back in the day roster updates for sports games were expected and released for free...
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: vudu on August 14, 2008, 02:06:03 PM
I simply cannot force myself to spend $50 on what will be completely obsolete next year.
Why not just buy last year's game for $10?
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 22, 2008, 10:28:03 AM
Some of Tales of Vesperia DLC
LV Up +10 (1) 300 Microsoft Points LV Up +5 (1) 200 Microsoft Points 300,000 Gald (1) 300 Microsoft Points Skill sets 80 Microsoft Points HP Recovery Cuisine Recipe Set 100 Microsoft Points
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 22, 2008, 12:07:01 PM
I can't tell whether you're joking or not, and that's disturbing enough regardless.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 22, 2008, 12:23:55 PM
LV Up +10 (1) 300 Microsoft Points LV Up +5 (1) 200 Microsoft Points 300,000 Gald (1) 300 Microsoft Points Skill sets 80 Microsoft Points HP Recovery Cuisine Recipe Set 100 Microsoft Points
It's like a built in GameShark!
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on August 23, 2008, 05:50:14 AM
Haha. I'd love to see the number of takers on those.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on October 17, 2008, 03:32:15 PM
Bumping this thread to let you know that Namco is charging 5 bucks to unlock Vader/Yoda. Who are already on the disc.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 17, 2008, 05:33:34 PM
That's ridiculous. I think they're going to get hit with a class action suit over this, or at the very least a MONUMENTAL fan backlash, and Vader will be free for all, soon.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 17, 2008, 05:39:47 PM
THE FORCE CANNOT BE UNLOCKED SO EASILY
YOU MUST TRAIN AND GIVE IN including your card security code and expiration date
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: KDR_11k on October 18, 2008, 07:25:55 AM
I wonder when console games will return to "insert credit to continue".
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 18, 2008, 07:57:22 AM
Mega Man 9
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 10, 2008, 04:03:40 PM
What the hell is wrong with this person (http://Http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=62429&sid=8ee625dcb6d503dbfc65b8758ac3460d)
This DLC thing is getting more and more ridiculous. Mike Caps wants endings to games to be DLC.This needs to stop!
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: vudu on November 10, 2008, 04:07:32 PM
They're trying to figure out a way reduce the impact of used game sales (and game rentals) on their bottom line. Some developers--like Criterion with Burnout Paradise and Harmonix with Rock Band 2--are doing it right. This is an example of doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 10, 2008, 04:19:25 PM
If they get rid of used games and renting than they are losing customers in the long run.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: vudu on November 10, 2008, 04:23:34 PM
There's a difference between consumers and customers. If all you do is rent games and buy used you don't actually give any money to EA and therefore the company doesn't give a **** about losing you.
I'm sure there are a lot of developers who just want as many people as possible to play their game, but the heads of the studios and the publishers want your money.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 10, 2008, 04:25:45 PM
They're trying to figure out a way reduce the impact of used game sales (and game rentals) on their bottom line. Some developers--like Criterion with Burnout Paradise and Harmonix with Rock Band 2--are doing it right. This is an example of doing it wrong.
It's Epic, what did you expect? =\
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 10, 2008, 04:40:34 PM
Vudu my point was if I rent or get a used game and I like it than I will get into the newer instalments of said game.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: vudu on November 10, 2008, 04:58:02 PM
While I don't have any facts to back up my claim, I don't think many people tend to do that. People either buy games new or they buy them used.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 10, 2008, 05:13:07 PM
I tend to do both.
I got Fzero GX used and got the original and X afterwards.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: vudu on November 10, 2008, 05:27:02 PM
So you're the reason we don't have F-Zero Wii!! Nintendo said hey, look! Maxi bought F-Zero and F-Zero X but he didn't buy GX. He must be growing bored of the series. Let's not make any more F-Zero games!
When you buy used Nintendo doesn't get your money so they don't know you bought the game. You're just hurting yourself!
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 10, 2008, 05:47:28 PM
I think I should clear something up I bought FzeroGX when it came out new.I moved and my GC games went missing. After that I bought it used.I got F-zero and F-zero X on the VC.Fzero GX was my first Fzero game.
Besides I am sure they are working on a new Fzero.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 10, 2008, 05:54:24 PM
Just popping in to remind everyone that the F-Zero series is dead!
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 10, 2008, 06:00:56 PM
To get back on topic about DLC and endings. Imagine if you had to buy all of the endings to Chrono Trigger.This is why DLC is a dumb idea.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: KDR_11k on November 11, 2008, 02:38:13 AM
Some people figure the money they get back on a trade-in into the price of the game, if that value lowers they see a higher game price and become less willing to buy.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 11, 2008, 08:21:35 AM
To get back on topic about DLC and endings. Imagine if you had to buy all of the endings to Chrono Trigger.This is why DLC is a dumb idea.
Maxi, did you post that because of what Mike Capps from epic games wants to do?
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The secondary market is a huge issue in the United States. Our primary retailer makes the majority of its money off of secondary sales, and so you’re starting to see games taking proactive steps toward that by… if you buy the retail version you get the unlock code.
I’ve talked to some developers who are saying ‘If you want to fight the final boss you go online and pay USD 20, but if you bought the retail version you got it for free’. We don’t make any money when someone rents it, and we don’t make any money when someone buys it used - way more than twice as many people played Gears than bought it.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 11, 2008, 09:02:26 AM
My post and what Mike Capps said are in line with each other.You have to pay for the final boss that means you are pretty much paying to see the ending.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 11, 2008, 09:12:29 AM
Well here's one big issue that they overlooked but then again Epic higher ups are delusional that only the 360 PS3 and PC only offer the "next gen experience". Anyways the big issue is that not everyone who owns a current gen console has access to broadband internet and all 5 current platforms Wii PS3 360 DS and PSP require a broadband connection to go online to each console's respective online infrastructure. And a legitimate customer who bought it new but doesn't have broadband can't access the end of the game it's just another form of DRM just presented at a different angle.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: KDR_11k on November 11, 2008, 04:06:13 PM
Maybe Epic should just go download-only if they're so worried about used sales...
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 11, 2008, 05:02:36 PM
Maybe Epic should just go download-only if they're so worried about used sales...
So then lets see: They will only be able to go PS3 and PC then since XBLA has a limit while PSN doesn't and there's no standard on PC with an exception of "Games For Windows".
The digital only PC version will probably be hacked and pirated which Mike Caps and maybe Mark Rein from Epic will whine more.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: KDR_11k on November 12, 2008, 07:39:52 AM
They could cut the game size down but overall I just don't think they'd do that since they want all the prestige of a retail release with all the control of a download release because they're just fucking whiners, almost as bad as the aptly named Cry Tek.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 13, 2008, 08:24:11 PM
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Djunknown on November 14, 2008, 12:43:39 AM
Nice quick read. I like the mario picture "Thank you mario but your money is in another castle!" Priceless.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Ymeegod on November 14, 2008, 01:13:11 PM
F-zero GX was created by Sega and it sold like poo (less than 100K--last I recall it was 56k which is sad for a 90% reviewed game) so yeah I can bank that nintendo wants nothing to do with it.
As for DLC, don't really care myself. Are you complaining that you have to pay extra for it but theer's always been special editions for along time so you can consider it like that.
And what's wrong with buying used :0. It's a cycle--if i buy someone's used tiitles than he/she can buy more :).
--Cheap bastard at heart, I haven't paid retail in years now.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: KDR_11k on November 14, 2008, 03:38:27 PM
And what's wrong with buying used :0. It's a cycle--if i buy someone's used tiitles than he/she can buy more :).
We're tlaking about greedy bastards at Epic, they probably don't think very far.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Morari on November 15, 2008, 10:31:22 AM
The problem isn't the used market, it's the price of games. Companies like to point toward scapegoats like GameStop and BitTorrent, but the truth is that most games are simply too expensive for most people to justify. $60 is simply inexcusable for what is a quickly pressed disc. Developers should try the $20-$30 range instead and I imagine that they'd see far more profits as a much larger percentage of people would then be buying the game to begin with. Draconian DRM and bullshit DLC is just another example of industry stupidity.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: vudu on November 15, 2008, 10:35:08 AM
And pirates like to point towards scapegoats like 'game prices are too high' and 'I don't want to support this evil company' but the truth is that most pirates would rather get something for free than to pay for it.
If you're not willing to pay for a game, you shouldn't pay for it. But that doesn't mean you should steal it. Simply skip it.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: Morari on November 16, 2008, 12:19:09 AM
Pirating isn't stealing though, it's mere copyright infringement. That said, you will always have people that would prefer to get something for free as opposed to paying for it. Really, who wouldn't? The fact that used markets exist and thrive show that people think game prices are too high. Punishing the paying customers with thick-headed DRM isn't going to sell more games. In fact, these companies wouldn't be loosing out on so much cash at all if they wouldn't drop such big dollar amounts on developing copy-protection schemes that don't do anything but annoy legitimate users.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: King of Twitch on November 16, 2008, 01:33:16 AM
Pirates kill people, toss them into the ocean and/or blow up their ships, stop exaggerating.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: EasyCure on November 16, 2008, 01:47:13 AM
plus they try to get at your booty, and i'm just not down with that. I'm not homophobic or anything, i just don't like anyone who'll forcefully take anyones booty!
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: KDR_11k on November 16, 2008, 02:04:09 AM
The used market would exist at any price, just with other markets you don't see the used stuff being sold in major retail chains. That part is caused by the game industry's greed, the profit margins on games are too small to operate on so they're only good as bait to get people into the store and sell them something else too. Crappy third party accessories, strategy guides and used games for Gamestop, pretty much anything on the shelves in other stores.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 16, 2008, 04:42:45 AM
Horsez feed Babiez.
Title: Re: Don't buy scam DLC
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on November 17, 2008, 11:56:36 AM
