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Title: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: AV on July 17, 2008, 01:04:05 AM
I am SERIOUSLY PISSED OFF. I really get the sense that Nintendo with this E3 is saying "We don't need hardcore gamers anymore." and Reggie is thinking " Wiisports and Wiiplay has outsold Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime, why even waste millions on making a quality game when casuals will buy crap."
I waited in line 12 hours before Wii Launch in the cold to get my Launch Console. I was so excited and happy and for the first part of this year I was happy. Once summer came and not much new to play and not much on the horizon I started to get upset. Virtual Console and Wiiware have proven to be a massive disappointment lately and it seems like any complaining I do they tell me to **** off.
This is how its been.
Hardcore gamer: " I want to buy more VC games but I don't have more room" Nintendo: "Shut up, just delete the old games and re-download them. It's your own fault."
Hardcore gamer: " Can you please post some good quality VC and Wiiwae games?" Nintendo " **** You. More games like SPOGS racing and more garbage VC nobody cares about."
Hardcore gamer " I like mp3 support in ExcitTruck I want more games to use it." Nintendo " Oh really ok I'll make sure no future games ever give you that option."
At first it seemed like neglect, but its more like actual abuse now.
I'm probably not going to sell my Wii, but now I am going to save up money for a 360 and maybe buy one with extra Finical Aid. However I haven't been this pissed off since pac Man vs.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all toget
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 17, 2008, 01:23:40 AM
Best E3 ever. Everyone looking forward to it got serv'd/rickrolled.
E3 is not about serving the hardcore. That's the journalists' job.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 17, 2008, 01:31:00 AM
I like how your portraying your hobby as a love hate romance full of bitter emo tears with a company that is just out to make money.
Im sure your not the only one who stood out in the cold to get a Wii, I waited a few hours as well and it's worth it. The Wii has the most diverse game library when you compare it to 360 and PS3 so I'm happy with it, I can understand how some are frustrated with Nintendo's showing but hey the Wii is bringing in a different experience and for that I'm glad. Motion plus looks really nice and promising since it combines the Wii remotes internal accelerometer with the gyroscope attachment and you can never forget the pointer, Wii motion plus is getting a lot of praise already. Wii speak is a nice solution to voice chat and you wont be cluttered with a dozen of different headsets. Animal Crossing is shaping nice with DS, USB keyboard, Wii Speak, FREE DLC. Wii music sounds perfect for those people who want to play a music game but doesn't want to feel bad sucking at Rock Band or Guitar Hero or even who wants more free range in a music game and not be bound to a specific note chart. GTA:Chinatown Wars was a pleasant surprise and the official site supports the wifi logo so who knows how that can turn out.
Edit: But E3 as a whole is just a mess, by now it would be better for companies to have their own events, media summits and whatever they want to call it.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Stogi on July 17, 2008, 01:48:58 AM
Nintendo needs to bring back.........
what was it? game world or something?
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: SixthAngel on July 17, 2008, 01:57:31 AM
E3 is no longer a huge event with giant crowds and half naked girls. It will never go back to the old way again, it is just small show now that gets some main stream journalists attention. But no, Nintendo needs to come to you at every single opportunity on bended knee.
Something worth complaining about is the fact that you got enough extra financial aid to buy a 360. If you are spending it on a 360 they obviously overestimated your level of need.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 17, 2008, 02:00:42 AM
E3 is no longer a huge event with giant crowds and half naked girls. It will never go back to the old way again, it is just small show now that gets some main stream journalists attention. But no, Nintendo needs to come to you at every single opportunity on bended knee.
Something worth complaining about is the fact that you got enough extra financial aid to buy a 360. If you are spending it on a 360 they obviously overestimated your level of need.
LOL that does sound rather immoral Mr. Adolph Vega. Especially considering the current economical conditions may be keeping me out of school after all...
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Stogi on July 17, 2008, 02:10:31 AM
To take IceCold's tier method of gaming
Metroid Prime 3 Twilight Princess Okami
Mario Galaxy No More Heroes Zack and Wiki
Mario Strikers Brawl MarioKart
Resident Evil 4 Trauma Center: New Blood Pro Evolution Soccer
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Why are people complaining about the Wii? (If you take out RE and Okami, you still have a damn good list of games)
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 17, 2008, 02:41:57 AM
Resident Evil 4 Trauma Center: New Blood Pro Evolution Soccer
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Why are people complaining about the Wii? (If you take out RE and Okami, you still have a damn good list of games)
I'd rearrange that a bit (I don't think I'd have Strikers and Brawl in the Same Tier, Galaxy would definitely be top tier) but all the games on that list that I've played deserve to be there. The Wii so far has been, at least in my opinion, quite a bit better than the GameCube, and I have no problem if Nintendo wants to use some of their development teams to try and expand the gaming audience.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 17, 2008, 02:47:45 AM
Wii Motion Plus helps mitigate the lack of game announcements. Plus, you guys got to keep in mind that:
1) E3 isn't over yet.
2) E3 is no where near as big as it used to be, and will likely never be that big again. So you can't expect all major announcements to be packed into this one event like they used to be.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: KDR_11k on July 17, 2008, 03:34:47 AM
Why the **** do some words get censored? I'm fairly sure I disabled that. Or do people just write a series of asterisks?
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Reggie is thinking " Wiisports and Wiiplay has outsold Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime, why even waste millions on making a quality game when casuals will buy crap."
Yeah, because Wii Sports and Wii Play are examples of crap games.
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Hardcore gamer " I like mp3 support in ExcitTruck I want more games to use it." Nintendo " Oh really ok I'll make sure no future games ever give you that option."
Try playing Endless Ocean. Oh, right, that's a crap game according to the allmighty Mr. Adolf Vega Review Board.
E3 is no longer the be-all-end-all of game announcements and really, not all games need to be revealed on the E3 anyway. If there hadn't been an E3 there would be no whining now.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Plugabugz on July 17, 2008, 03:47:51 AM
Look at it like this, what's Retro doing? NST? Monolith? n-space? EAD Tokyo? They aren't all at starbucks eating pizzas.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 17, 2008, 03:48:50 AM
Boohoo. Nice to see you completely taking the worse of the VC and putting it as if it is the majority.
So far we have had Lost Winds, Final Fantasy Life as a King, Gyrostar, and Toki Tori all within what, two months? Have you even bothered to see the crap they release on Xbox Live Arcade? It is really no different. The point of WiiWare is to allow developers of all kinds to develop games.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 17, 2008, 03:53:33 AM
KDR makes a good point about E3, not only that it is quite clear the last couple of E3s has been centered around mainstream media coverage. Nintendo has changed this particular event into an avenue to get a hold of the mainstream crowd, and it has WORKED. Now will that continue with this particular conference? Not sure, but that does not negate the fact that Nintendo sees E3 now as their main media valve for the casual gaming community.
It should NOT be indictative of their development mindset beyond that they are focusing resources on making casual games. Nintendo is HUGE and it is quite obvious they have other stuff brewing, just because it wasn't shown at their "casual gamer" event doesn't mean they don't care about it.
It is amazing how soon people forget, don't you recall oh, let's say later last year and early this year we received 4 HUGE franchises? Is it that earth shattering that this year may not be chalk full of tons of Nintendo traditional titles? Now if next year they don't have anything planned to come out then I'd be worried, but right now it makes freaken sense. Or would you rather them throw garbage games out onto the market to satisfy the so called hardcore fans? Games take time to develop even with a company as big as Nintendo.
How about for this season you enjoy some of the promising 3rd party titles? Now will all of them turn out to be great? Nah, but there should be at least a couple of gems in there. I know I'm looking forward to Deadly Creatures, SPRay, and even Clone Wars if it turns out fine. Not only that but we have deBlob, along with some multiplatform games that may actually have features in them that makes buying a particular version tough like Force Unleashed, Madden, Tiger Woods, and Call of Duty.
This is the first year where we are actually getting a few promising 3rd party games and yet people are still whining because Nintendo doesn't have anything huge for the traditional gamesr? This holiday season actually has an opening for 3rd party games to shine, so shouldn't that be a good thing if they are quality titles? We, as gamers, have a chance to push for third party support this holiday season, isn't that exciting in itself?
Are we really that snooty that having 4 of Nintendo's biggest franchises within a year and a half isn't good enough, but is in fact so horrific we are crying? I remember back in the N64 days when we were lucky to get 2 great games a year from Nintendo. Have we grown so spoiled now that we forget that?
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Dasmos on July 17, 2008, 03:59:51 AM
Confirmation of a Pikmin Wii is all I needed to hear to be satisfied. Anything else is just a bonus. Also Dead Rising coming to Wii was a pleasant surprise too.
Why the **** do some words get censored? I'm fairly sure I disabled that. Or do people just write a series of asterisks?
Some people just asterisk their swear words instead of writing them. It's not the word filters fault if people are fucking **** dicks.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Mario on July 17, 2008, 04:08:30 AM
Kororinpa 2 has been announced. If you really are a hardcore gamer, you'll keep your Wii for that. Nintendo has their own schedule now. They don't care enough about one particular event to spend time preparing for it, we'll see trailers of Pikmin, Mario, Zelda whatever, when they are ready to be shown.
Guess what the big 08 titles are? Mario Kart and Smash Bros Brawl. Go play them. You play games right?
I believe mr topic starter is a plant or a joke account. Considering buying a 360 after that, completely ignoring MSs awful showing? Yeah right.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Plugabugz on July 17, 2008, 04:30:13 AM
I'M GOING TO REBEL AND BUY A BUS PASS
TAKE THAT NINTENDO
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 17, 2008, 04:32:48 AM
Nintendo is hurting so badly after that they have decided to announce 30 hardcorez games before E3 is over.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Nick DiMola on July 17, 2008, 06:58:44 AM
The most exciting announcements for "hardcore" gamers came after the conference. Nintendo is localizing Rhythm Tengoku, that's awesome. They are also working on a new Pikmin, and Iwata said the Mario and Zelda teams are working on projects for THIS generation.
Sure Nintendo went casual happy at the press conference and it was totally unexciting, but there are still things going on in the background. Also keep in mind 2 things:
1) Nintendo blew their load ... hard. We have sequels to just about every single major Nintendo series out on the Wii right now. 2) Nintendo seems to have this mantra now where they don't announce games unless they are right around the corner.
With this is in mind, hang tight buddy, Nintendo still has plenty to satisfy you.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 17, 2008, 10:41:46 AM
I think E3 did this to themselves. Look at all the press conferences...and notice that there wasn't really any exciting new announcements from anyone. Sure there was Final Fantasy 13 for the 360...but we already knew that game existed, just for the PS3.
E3 changed for the better...but when they did the refocus, it meant it became more about industry news again...and less about games.
Going to the Nintendo Press conference, I thought what they announced was cool, and meant big changes for Nintendo. Voice Chat in Games, new controller, it all sounded fun. But, then Motionplus wasn't going to be available until next year. That stung because it meant all the games we were hoping to use it won't.
I seriously, don't mind Nintendo focusing on the casual market...it is what is making Nintendo the biggest money right now, and giving them the positive press and such. Do I wish there was more...yes, but I can wait...specially if the games weren't ready to show.
I do feel Nintendo is lacking in that big holiday season game...but I also know they just haven't announced it yet. And there are some great 3rd party games to be excited about.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: SixthAngel on July 17, 2008, 11:00:47 AM
You're falling right into their trap! Its all a part of their plan to sell more DS's now until suddenly they release the megaton "Super Mario Busrider."
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 17, 2008, 12:03:44 PM
Also I highly doubt Iwata wants to repeat the Brawl and Metroid Prime 3 hell even Twilight Princess mistake, remember how they were supposed to be launch titles and then the release dates kept getting fumbled around. I highly doubt they want to present something that is going to get fumbled around with release dates or wont come for more than 9 months.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 17, 2008, 12:56:42 PM
I hope n-space gets to use the Quantum 3 engine.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 17, 2008, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: Miyamoto
I think that there’s probably one other element to it, and that’s that our view of how we use E3 has changed. For a very long time, E3 was an event where — and certainly Nintendo included — catered specifically to the core gamer. Now we look at more … an opportunity for us to introduce new concepts and new types of play that we intend to bring to the broader audience, particularly because of the media that gathers at E3 now.
So while attending an E3 event like this, they might be given the impression that Nintendo is no longer focusing on the games that appeal to the core gamer, in fact we’re still working on many of those titles, but it’s just not the type of event where we’ll be showcasing that anymore.
E3 disappointing for the most part? Yes...The end of the ****ing world? No, so please chill out...
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: vudu on July 17, 2008, 02:04:13 PM
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all toget
Post by: ThePerm on July 17, 2008, 04:35:05 PM
it wasn't so much that i was expecting like megatons at e3, its that i was expecting a mediocre show and got a sub-mediocre show.
Like animal crossing was the biggest game they had during e3, but it really looked pretty much like the same game, i would wish to see a totally overhauled animal crossing game
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 17, 2008, 05:15:19 PM
True that games announced by Nintendo were low. However, 3rd party games for Nintendo that kick ass through out the show were present and I am excited for them.
Hopefully, and I am speculating here, but I expect Nintendo to do a private press conference/ media event like 3-4 weeks after E3 announcing their bigger games. This will allow those games to be played by the media properly without Xbox 360 or PS3's big games to overshadow them. And yes I expect that one of those games WILL be a big core audience game for this holiday season.
Remember there were quite a few games we were expecting that just didn't happen...does that mean they aren't being worked on. NO, as it was pointed out...Nintendo announced Pikmin at E3...just did not show it. So there are still secrets and games being developed.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on July 17, 2008, 05:25:47 PM
Hopefully, and I am speculating here, but I expect Nintendo to do a private press conference/ media event like 3-4 weeks after E3 announcing their bigger games. This will allow those games to be played by the media properly without Xbox 360 or PS3's big games to overshadow them. And yes I expect that one of those games WILL be a big core audience game for this holiday season.
Actually it'll be in September or October. In 2006 Nintendo had a private conference in September to show off everything that would be released for the Wii's launch that year. Then in 2007 they had one in early October were they announced the release dates for the rest of their fall titles. Plus this was the conference were Sonic was revealed to be in Smash Bros.
So yes Nintendo WILL have a big conference later this year and it'll contain several core gamer games in it as well. And from all the rumors that have been going around it's pretty much a guarantee that Kid Icarus will be shown then.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Adrock on July 17, 2008, 05:42:24 PM
Yeah, E3 sucked. But ditch Nintendo all together? If I enjoyed wasting money that much I might as well give the rest of my savings to charity and live off the land like my ancestors did in the days of yore.
They're just videogames. Calm the Christ down for sobbing out loud.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: blackfootsteps on July 17, 2008, 07:41:16 PM
Nintendo and I broke up, she said she wanted to see other people, uh casuals, I think. Wasn't into this hardcore relationship that we had; especially when she could give cheap, quick thrills to more people. She wants to put as many smiles on as many people's faces as she can with her entertainments.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: EasyCure on July 17, 2008, 09:17:46 PM
Nintendo and I broke up, she said she wanted to see other people, uh casuals, I think. Wasn't into this hardcore relationship that we had; especially when she could give cheap, quick thrills to more people. She wants to put as many smiles on as many people's faces as she can with her entertainments.
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Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 17, 2008, 10:16:21 PM
It would be hillarious if the day after you Benedict Arnold's sell your Wiis, Nintendo announces kickass new franchises like Super Hardcore Bros. and The Legend of Ass Kicking, all of them rated M for Mature and exclusive only to the Wii.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Maverick on July 18, 2008, 02:26:07 AM
It's closing in at over 9000! 500 signatures. Nintendo am doomed.
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466. Reggie Fils-Aime Everybody that signed this is gonna get their asses kicked. That's why they call me the Regginator. Oh, and your names? Taken.
Oh ****.
Okay that was me
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Kairon on July 18, 2008, 04:16:10 AM
Yeah, even if E3 made you consider ditching the Wii, wouldn't Famitsu revive them after the Dead Rising Wii news?
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all toget
Post by: blackfootsteps on July 18, 2008, 04:35:41 AM
If something as unimportant as the new E3 had made you ditch Nintendo I'd find it unlikely that the announcement of a 2(?) year old game (that you can get on a rival platform) would be enough to bring you back. If you'd had enough of the big N and wanted Dead Rising, buy a 360.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Kairon on July 18, 2008, 04:49:33 AM
Well, in the case of someone who can only afford to own one console, it's a big announcement.
It also goes to show that you shouldn't expect all your gaming news from E3. E3's still there, it's still big, but it's no longer the be all and end all of game announcements.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: blackfootsteps on July 18, 2008, 04:51:52 AM
Yep definitely, although I think if someone were to ditch Nintendo they would free up enough cash to at least have a crack at a 360.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on July 18, 2008, 11:47:00 PM
Nintendo can do whatever the hell they want. I just want my old E3 back.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 19, 2008, 12:54:18 AM
They can't have old style E3s anymore, because the last time they did the conference came under attack by Giant Sony crabs and only Reggie could save the day. If Reggie hadn't been there... well, I shudder to think what those Crabs may have done.
They just can't take those sorts of risks anymore, so things have been scaled back, and giant man-eating crustaceans have to be kept under lock and key now.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Kairon on July 19, 2008, 03:47:00 AM
Nintendo can do whatever the hell they want. I just want my old E3 back.
I don't think it's coming back. Capcom would rather talk about the Lost Planet Movie for 30 minutes instead of showing off Dead Rising Wii.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 19, 2008, 04:32:16 AM
Best E3 cuz it's the last E3. Nintendo did an awesome job of killing the Hardcore Trade Show.
People need to realize the best place for announcements is the interweb.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Deguello on July 19, 2008, 04:48:29 AM
It's made me consider Adolph Vega as a troll.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 19, 2008, 11:00:33 AM
More like a troll that got butt hurt by E3.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Mario on July 19, 2008, 11:37:27 AM
More like it was a dream come true
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Ian Sane on July 21, 2008, 01:52:17 AM
I came to the conclusion that Nintendo doesn't really care about the hardcore YEARS ago. I came to that conclusion on the DS. They assume we'll always be on board but eventually they'll take too far and lose us for good. There's always a breaking point.
If this is IT for the year yeah I would consider ditching Nintendo, or at least not pay as much attention to them until some must buy game suddenly appeared in stores. But I'll still give them to the end of the year. If Animal Crossing and Warioland are their core gamer titles for this Christmas they'll be worrying about losing more than just me anyway. I'm not optimistic that suddenly some big game is going to be revealed but they still have five more months. Just as long as I have something to put on my Christmas list.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 21, 2008, 02:42:37 AM
I came to the conclusion that Nintendo doesn't really care about the hardcore YEARS ago. I came to that conclusion on the DS. They assume we'll always be on board but eventually they'll take too far and lose us for good. There's always a breaking point.
If this is IT for the year yeah I would consider ditching Nintendo, or at least not pay as much attention to them until some must buy game suddenly appeared in stores. But I'll still give them to the end of the year. If Animal Crossing and Warioland are their core gamer titles for this Christmas they'll be worrying about losing more than just me anyway. I'm not optimistic that suddenly some big game is going to be revealed but they still have five more months. Just as long as I have something to put on my Christmas list.
Well Ian as a counter to your statement every company is caring more about the "casual" market, Sony with Buzz and Singstar , MS showing off more Scene it, a crappy game that makes you apart of a B or C movie made by codemasters, Lips with iNis who usually makes "hardcore" music games is making a karaoke game which is considered to be "casual". And we obviously know about Nintendo's Wii ____ games. And finally the emphasis of Guitar Hero and Rock Band. Guitar Hero ever since Activision took it over they are whoring that series till there's no tomorrow such as 2 console games on the pipeline and already making a sequel to the DS version that just recently came out. And Rock Band is just improving on its predecessor and keeping the "music platform" alive by allowing the DLC to be shared by both games. And Nintendo is doing something different with Wii music. And insert the countless karaoke style games made by a hand full of platforms.
The problem I have with how publishers handle their music games they are the new "Madden" or in Activision's case an accelerated sequel-itis mentality to a level that's beyond whoring out a series.
I personally like how Nintendo for once is stepping back a little and giving their main teams to make a proper mario, zelda and Pikmin these games don't just sprout out every 9 months you know. And with Nintendo stepping back 3rd parties can compete more on a Nintendo platform without the fear of "Nintendomination" and it's good considering that the Wii is the first home system from Nintendo that I own more 3rd party than 1st party games.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on July 21, 2008, 02:49:10 AM
E3, in general, sucked. All three companies failed to impress and to announce any exciting games (save for square, since they announced FFXIII on the 360, and that was expected), so the blame shouldn't be placed on Nintendo.
And Adolph, listen carefully...
Years ago, when the final name of the Revolution was unveiled I was pissed as all hell. I thought Nintendo had gone mad and had betrayed the gaming audience. I was 100% sure the system would fail because of such a stupid name.
Then E3 2006 came and the Wii ROCKED. I was proven wrong and realized that I was predicting doom not because I understood the industry but because of my own fears and worries.
Last year, I bought an XBOX 360. I confess that I hated the XBOX because of its annoying "hardcore" mantra and ESPECIALLY the Halo love. But then I played a friend's 360 and really enjoyed its features, games and online system.
Been having a lot of fun with both the Wii and 360 since. It was then that I realized something; constant discussion of the gaming world, as well as my own speculation, were ruining my gaming fun.
I was so focused on analyzing every game release and every decision the big three make that I had forgotten one thing; videogames are about GAMES AND FUN!
Remember the old days for a bit. Pong, one of the first games ever made, was released. Did they set out to prove something? Did they want to tell a story? Did fans spent countless nights debating about it? Nope, they just had fun with what was basically a very crude game of tennis.
I think we, and I count the gaming industry as well, are so involved into the gaming world that we are forgetting why we play games in the first game; for fun, pleasure and enjoyment.
So now I decided to stay out of any gaming discussions, avoid making early assumptions and just play the games.
I don't care if Nintendo is "betraying their core crowd". I don't care of Namco thought it was a good idea to add Star Wars characters to the Soul Calibur roster. I don't give a sh*t if the fanboys are crying foul with their asses, if the recession is affecting gaming or hell, if gaming is helping society or corrupting our youth. Just give me a good game and I'll enjoy it.
So to everyone who feels any sort of anger towards any of the three companies; chill. Its not the end of the world. There are far more important things to worry about. In the meantime, just pick up a controller and play. Chances are you'll feel better and forget this damn debate ever existed.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Kairon on July 21, 2008, 02:58:28 AM
You're a smart man pap64.
Oh, but being the cheeky bugger I am I couldn't resist one minor addition though.
So to everyone who feels any sort of anger towards any of the three companies; chill. Its not the end of the world. There are far more important things to worry about. In the meantime, just pick up a controller and play third party games. Chances are you'll feel better and forget this damn debate ever existed.
There. Much better. ^_^
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: Stogi on July 21, 2008, 03:13:00 AM
*claps*
What a turn around, Pap. I remember you in the good old days; the pre-brawl, pre-wiimote, pre-wii days.
Good ****, my friend.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on July 21, 2008, 12:17:07 PM
What I don't get is why E3 can't simply be 2 days private for the press and retailers, and then three days for the public. Turn it into a festival for crying out loud, and have a cap on how large each vendor's booth can be, and have restrictions on what kind of stuff they can have in it.
How hard would that be? I just don't understand.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on July 21, 2008, 12:47:04 PM
jon- don't we already have one of those? i forgot what it's called though. i'm still disappointed that we haven't had more original games along the lines of say, Okami and RE4 from IceCold's list. I just found about "The Conduit", though, which sounds promising.
As for what Retro's doing...they still don't have a permanent Creative Director or Senior Engineer, so I'd suspect that would hold things up there guys.
-e
oh, and pap64 just spelled out why it is i don't pop in here very often anymore ';_)
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on July 21, 2008, 03:13:14 PM
What a turn around, Pap. I remember you in the good old days; the pre-brawl, pre-wiimote, pre-wii days.
Good ****, my friend.
Don't get me wrong, though. I will still drop my two cents, criticize games and their makers and do some speculation if its required. I'm just not going to focus on it and waste my time arguing with other members because we all know it never ends and everyone ends up looking stupid.
I came to this realization when I bought a lot of Wii games at Gamestop and played them nonstop. I was having so much fun it reminded me of my younger days where things like gaming forums, fanboyism and industry news were non-existent in my life.
From them on I decided to view gaming like in my younger days, stop worrying so much about every little detail, and most importantly, value my own opinion first.
Again, that doesn't mean I will offer thoughts on occasion. Its just not going to be the main focus on my gaming habits.
Title: Re: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all toget
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 21, 2008, 03:20:34 PM
You are right Pap64. During the whole E3 conference uproar I just got sick of it and I just played Mario Kart and RE4 and it just faded from my mind.
