Community Forums => General Chat => Topic started by: DAaaMan64 on June 17, 2008, 04:58:46 PM
Title: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 17, 2008, 04:58:46 PM
But Firefox 3 is out and it's real nice. Go get it, they are trying to set some records.
http://getfirefox.com
I used to use opera, but opera was crap on linux, so I switched to FF2. I'm lovin' the new version too.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 17, 2008, 05:01:52 PM
SeaMonkey owns firebadger.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: vudu on June 17, 2008, 05:08:55 PM
We already have a few Firefox threads. Also, could you please make the topic title a little more vague?
Firebird is dead, long live Firefox (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=7970.0) Firefox 0.9 released (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=9507.0) 9/11 NEVER FORGET - Firefox 1.0 is Out (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=10890.0) Firefox (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=11576.0)
We also have one on G-mail (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=9521.0) in case you were thinking of starting a new thread on that. ;)
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Nick DiMola on June 17, 2008, 05:11:06 PM
I would love to, unfortunately their servers are currently being pwned.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 17, 2008, 05:26:20 PM
I like it so far, except for a couple big extensions that don't work (I'm really missing Tab Mix Plus). Also I seem to have lost the ability to automatically refresh pages at certain intervals, which is annoying and will affect my total domination of the total time online stat on these forums.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: vudu on June 17, 2008, 05:29:52 PM
I seem to have lost the ability to automatically refresh pages at certain intervals, which is annoying and will affect my total domination of the total time online stat on these forums.
Thank Christ. Give someone else a chance. ;)
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on June 17, 2008, 05:39:41 PM
It's nice, but until certain extensions are updated, I may have to avoid the front page of NWR. Thankfully, the forums aren't a problem.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 17, 2008, 06:35:07 PM
We already have a few Firefox threads. Also, could you please make the topic title a little more vague?
Firebird is dead, long live Firefox (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=7970.0) Firefox 0.9 released (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=9507.0) 9/11 NEVER FORGET - Firefox 1.0 is Out (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=10890.0) Firefox (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=11576.0)
We also have one on G-mail (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=9521.0) in case you were thinking of starting a new thread on that. ;)
oh pardon me chancellor pants off
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 17, 2008, 07:03:24 PM
I seem to have lost the ability to automatically refresh pages at certain intervals, which is annoying and will affect my total domination of the total time online stat on these forums.
Thank Christ. Give someone else a chance. ;)
I didn't do it for the stats, I was doing it long before there were stats, it's just the way I like to do things, having a lot of pages open and refreshing every few minutes so I get an up-to-date page when I click around. That's also why I miss Tab Mix Plus, it let me have multiple tab bars, useful when I have a couple dozen tabs open.
Another thing I like about this new version is that the Mac version behaves a lot more like a Mac application than Firefox 2 did. It looks more like one (the tool bar looks very much like Safari's) and it uses standard Mac buttons and drop down boxes instead of the PC style ones in Firefox 2. Small touches, but nice ones.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: vudu on June 17, 2008, 07:53:15 PM
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 17, 2008, 08:25:28 PM
You're not special anymore.
stats -50%
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Smoke39 on June 17, 2008, 08:37:08 PM
I don't care about being special, I just never see anyone talk about SeaMonkey. It's always Firefox Firefox Firefox.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 17, 2008, 08:45:49 PM
Firefox sux0rs. The last version i tried wouldn't let me change the temp storage directory, was too flowery and loaded like MGS4installationASS on a win98 machine.
SeaMonkey fit the bill.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 17, 2008, 09:55:03 PM
I found an extension to get me my refreshment back. I"LL BE DEAD FOR DECADES BEFORE SOMEONE COMES CLOSE TO MY DOMINANCE.
Seriously, though, this new bookmark thing is great. I had an extension before that was sort of like this but not as good and not as simple.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: wandering on June 17, 2008, 10:35:10 PM
Firefox 3 is good but I'm not sure I like being reminded how addicted I am to the funhouse...
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: ShyGuy on June 17, 2008, 11:23:21 PM
If you're using anything other than Lynx to browse, you are a casual gamer who needs to go reserve Dog faced Babyz Party.
I don't know if I like the new History drop down on FF3. It does seem zippier though.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 17, 2008, 11:31:55 PM
It's kinda sad that all 10 of my Most Visited pages are NWR forums.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 18, 2008, 08:47:12 PM
So yeah I have been contemplating getting this but after watching the coverage on G4 (shut up) I am not so sure.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: stevey on June 18, 2008, 10:08:32 PM
So you going to ignore 8 million people downloading it in one day saying it's awesome because of g4 the "microsoft ad channel" saying otherwise???
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 18, 2008, 10:11:14 PM
No it is the exact opposite, G4 said it was the **** and since I thing they are **** I don't take what they says seriously and if they like it so much I have doubts if I would.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 18, 2008, 10:18:56 PM
Not to mention I don't usually follow the crowd anyways so why should I care how many sheep get it on day one. I was asking people here who I trust if it is worth the download, because I don't trust G4.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Shift Key on June 18, 2008, 10:30:06 PM
No it is the exact opposite, G4 said it was the **** and since I thing they are **** I don't take what they says seriously and if they like it so much I have doubts if I would.
Is it opposites day? Whatever happened to "doing your own research" about things? Not having a go at you specifically rat, but it seems like people take the easy way out and pass judgement without actual hands-on experience.
Not to mention I don't usually follow the crowd anyways so why should I care how many sheep get it on day one. I was asking people here who I trust if it is worth the download, because I don't trust G4.
The "sheep" thing is a result of Mozilla trying to get a Guinness world record for most downloads in 24 hours.
As for my opinion - I've been using it for a few months, since it was an early alpha version. I'm still running the nightly builds rather than the 3.0 (Gran Paradiso, what a terrible name, bring back Minefield!) and its easily replaced Firefox 2, IE6, IE7, IE8 and Safari (sit down RAB) as my browser of choice. This release was a non-event for me, but it was suprising to see it get over 8 million downloads (waiting on an official announcement though).
Having said all that, I've been using it on new-ish systems with 2GB of RAM. It may not be the best choice for low-memory systems, but it has greatly improved on Firefox's issues - page rendering speeds, memory usage, and the address bar is pretty useful for finding specific pages based on the title or search tags. Give it a try and see if it is an improvement.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 18, 2008, 11:23:59 PM
I like FF3 a lot more now that I realized you can get rid of/move the Most Visited list in your main bookmarks toolbar.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 18, 2008, 11:28:15 PM
It is not about not doing research, it is more or less seeing through the hype. I mean for me if I see millions of people jump at something I immediately wonder why. I like to know what people have to say, not websites, not tv, people.
My biggest worry is the add-ons I have not working, but that goes back to research so yeah I'll have to check into it. I am all for improvements but sometimes what one thinks is progress another sees as a hindrance.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 19, 2008, 12:00:00 AM
I just installed Firefox 3, I had installed a beta version, and it kind of screwed things up with 2.0x, this new install fixed said problems. Anyway, I like it, though not the way the URL bar works by default. You can make it more like the oldschool version, by going into about:config and changing browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped from false to true. You still get the icons, webpage, and even the descriptions, but it only lists sites that you've typed in yourself, as opposed to just about anything you've looked at online, which is the default setting. Great for hiding porn sites.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 19, 2008, 12:03:08 AM
I don't look at porn sites anyways so that won't be a problem.
Last questions, if I install it and don't like it, will it erase my current version or will it still be possible to go back?
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 19, 2008, 12:05:43 AM
I don't think it will overwrite your current install, at least the beta didn't...and of course even if it did, you could just reinstall 2.0x.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 19, 2008, 12:12:45 PM
So I decided that since I fear change I will have to hold off until I can muster up the guts to take the plunge.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 19, 2008, 02:39:50 PM
It's just a web browser, dude. It takes you to the same internet, with your same favorites and extensions (provided they work on 3.0). If you don't look at porn, then I think you may want to reconsider using the internet.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 19, 2008, 04:41:45 PM
ha, ha. No seriously I have tried other browsers, Opera, Netscape, Safari, IE, so far Firefox is the best out of them all that I have tried. Even being told by every person I knew it took me months to break down and go a head and download it. I just don't like change, I move to damn much I try and keep what little things I can the same for as long as possible.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: RABicle on June 20, 2008, 05:42:42 AM
This **** doesn't even pass the Acid3 test! What the **** Firefox? Safari 4 is gunna destroy this ****.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: oohhboy on June 20, 2008, 07:22:43 AM
I must be a real tool since I don't use any of the above browsers. I run a Mac and I use something called Camino. It is high speed low drag kind of browser. It isn't quite as fully featured as most other browsers out there, but runs fast, real fast. Even faster if you grab the optimized version for your processor. It has all the important things like spell check, ad/flash blocking, tab browsing.
Although it's handling of movies has something left to be desired.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Nick DiMola on June 20, 2008, 07:40:00 AM
Hell yeah, Camino is great on the Mac.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 20, 2008, 12:44:09 PM
I have a question, you know how you can do a "Virtual PC" install on your computer and run a different version of windows without installing it or replacing what you have. Can you do the same with MAC OS? I have a MAC boot cd and installed it on a friends computer and it was something I'd like to get more familiar with but I don't want to ruin my computer and don't feel like swapping my HD's and I heard you can do a dual boot but I haven't figured out how to do that successfully yet. I'd also like to try this Red Hat Linux I have but am reluctant for the same reasons.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 20, 2008, 03:51:43 PM
Rat: No, you can't do that, at least anywhere near easily.
Camino is based on Mozilla, the same thing Firefox is, but much more optimized for the Mac.
RAB: Safari passing the Acid3 test is great in theory but it won't really matter until most web sites are programmed to standards instead of for IE. Just for the record I love my Mac, and I would gladly use Safari if I could bring my extensions with me.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 20, 2008, 05:04:16 PM
that sucks. I was never good at doing dual boot either so I guess I am stuck looking for a spare PC to try Mac and/or Linux on.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Shift Key on June 20, 2008, 08:25:25 PM
I have a question, you know how you can do a "Virtual PC" install on your computer and run a different version of windows without installing it or replacing what you have. Can you do the same with MAC OS? I have a MAC boot cd and installed it on a friends computer and it was something I'd like to get more familiar with but I don't want to ruin my computer and don't feel like swapping my HD's and I heard you can do a dual boot but I haven't figured out how to do that successfully yet. I'd also like to try this Red Hat Linux I have but am reluctant for the same reasons.
Virtual PC is available if you want to try out a different operating system within Windows (XP or Vista). It needs resources of its own (I'd say a couple of gigs of hard drive space and 1GB RAM minimum to run both without significant slowdown issues) but is completely self-contained in a couple of files - no swapping out of hard drives and no rebooting. Just open up the virtual drive file from Virtual PC and the virtualised OS boots up.
I've got a couple of Windows images to use for testing in IE6 and IE8, and I'm trying out a virtualised XP image within Windows Server 2008 to minimise installed apps. Linux does work with it, but unless the distribution supports the right device drivers out-of-the-box it is a pain to configure. OpenSUSE works fine.
RAB: Safari passing the Acid3 test is great in theory but it won't really matter until most web sites are programmed to standards instead of for IE. Just for the record I love my Mac, and I would gladly use Safari if I could bring my extensions with me.
Maybe Safari on the Mac is better, but on Windows its been pretty average for me. It doesn't fit in with the other apps (except for iTunes, but that's for another rant), the fonts used for the UI are ugly, and it has some strange quirks that make me mash the keyboard in fury.
Ctrl + { to go to the next tab? Who the **** thought that would be logical? Is that the same on the Mac version? How is that better than Ctrl + Tab?
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 20, 2008, 08:38:04 PM
SeaMonkey shout-out.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: wandering on June 20, 2008, 09:29:43 PM
I have a question, you know how you can do a "Virtual PC" install on your computer and run a different version of windows without installing it or replacing what you have. Can you do the same with MAC OS? I have a MAC boot cd and installed it on a friends computer and it was something I'd like to get more familiar with but I don't want to ruin my computer and don't feel like swapping my HD's and I heard you can do a dual boot but I haven't figured out how to do that successfully yet. I'd also like to try this Red Hat Linux I have but am reluctant for the same reasons.
Ubuntu Linux has a thing called Wubi (http://wubi-installer.org/). You download it, install it just like any other Windows application, and presto! when you start up your computer you are given the option of booting into Windows or Linux.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 20, 2008, 09:46:33 PM
The copy I have is Red Hat Fedora Core 2, that is as much as I know about it.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Shift Key on June 20, 2008, 10:43:28 PM
The copy I have is Red Hat Fedora Core 2, that is as much as I know about it.
When you get around to playing with it, go to http://www.fedoraproject.org/ and download Fedora Core 9. Its woefully out of date, and is easier to do that then update it after it is installed.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 20, 2008, 10:46:07 PM
Is it free?
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 20, 2008, 11:11:23 PM
RAB: Safari passing the Acid3 test is great in theory but it won't really matter until most web sites are programmed to standards instead of for IE. Just for the record I love my Mac, and I would gladly use Safari if I could bring my extensions with me.
Maybe Safari on the Mac is better, but on Windows its been pretty average for me. It doesn't fit in with the other apps (except for iTunes, but that's for another rant), the fonts used for the UI are ugly, and it has some strange quirks that make me mash the keyboard in fury.
Ctrl + { to go to the next tab? Who the **** thought that would be logical? Is that the same on the Mac version? How is that better than Ctrl + Tab?
I looked and I can't find any keyboard shortcut in the Mac version of Safari to do that. I bet I know why it's not Ctrl-Tab, though. I would guess they took all the Mac shortcuts which nearly all use the Command (Apple) key, and changed them to work with the Control key. On a Mac Command-Tab is a system-wide shortcut key used for the Application Switcher, so it wouldn't be used in Safari.
From what I've heard about Apple's programs for Windows they seem to have the same problems that Microsoft's programs for Mac do. When making Mac apps Microsoft tries to build a Windows app in OS X, ignoring the design conventions of the Mac platform, and also make it plainly clear that they don't know much about making Mac apps, and it sounds like Apple does the reverse.
There are only 3 apps that Apple makes for Windows, and they're all necessities. QuickTime is there to get web developers to use the plugin, iTunes is there because Apple wants to sell songs and make it easy for Windows users to hook up iPods, and Safari's there to give people making web apps for the iPhone/iPod Touch a way to test them.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Shift Key on June 20, 2008, 11:22:09 PM
From what I've heard about Apple's programs for Windows they seem to have the same problems that Microsoft's programs for Mac do.
Fair call. How does Office 2008 for Mac fit in, if you've seen it in action?
I'm just perplexed by the choice of shortcut for changing tabs. "{" just seems like a bizarre choice. Why not a key closer to Ctrl? Why not a more recognizable key, like a letter?
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There are only 3 apps that Apple makes for Windows, and they're all necessities. QuickTime is there to get web developers to use the plugin, iTunes is there because Apple wants to sell songs and make it easy for Windows users to hook up iPods, and Safari's there to give people making web apps for the iPhone/iPod Touch a way to test them.
Quicktime - its been superseded by Flash for online video. Can't remember the last time I installed it on a computer of mine. If I come across a site that requires it, I ignore it. iTunes - I don't buy songs online. I don't have an iPod. Safari - about the iPhone/iPod Touch testing - how good is it? I'm curious because it would work fine for rendering content (same rendering engine), but what about the testing the touchscreen and multi-touch stuff? Anything in the pipeline.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Caliban on June 21, 2008, 12:05:38 AM
Well I be damned. I thought it was the typical Pro666(Madonna Dynomite) encrypted message.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 21, 2008, 12:34:43 AM
I got Office 2008 in some deal but I haven't actually used it yet, mostly because I haven't needed it (beyond simple word processing, which can be done in TextEdit) and I've been playing around with Creative Suite 3 which I got in the same way. I'm pretty sure Office works pretty well, but that's expected from software that costs $400. Everyone's complaining that in the switch to Universal Binary Microsoft felt it wasn't necessary to port over all the features, so Mac Office 2008 doesn't support VB Macros.
Yeah, Quicktime for the web isn't much of anything anymore. Show some respect for the original digital video, though, and it's a good video player on Macs (at least once you get the Perian plugin). Not everybody has iPods or buys from iTunes, but judging by how many billion songs Apple has sold so far it was probably a good business decision to port iTunes to Windows. I think the touchscreen stuff is handled on the iPhone side, the testing is to make sure it runs without problems in Safari, which the iPhone uses. This will become less of an issue now that there are real third-party apps on the iPhone, but since you have to have a Mac to make those we'll probably still see small Windows-using companies/people using Web apps.
There is actually a new piece of software, or more of a service, that was announced earlier this month to be ported to Windows. Formerly called .mac, now MobileMe, it's a suite of internet-related services that Apple offers for $99 per year. The reason it's coming to Windows is that it now includes some iPhone related features, including the ability to use push mail with your regular e-mail account without an exchange server, and has sophisticated Web App versions of Outlook on the Windows side and Address Book/iCal/Mail for Mac users that you can use on an iPhone. It also includes 20 GB of web space for files you want to access anywhere or web sites, as well as bookmark syncing, which, surprisingly, at least the way I read it, works with Firefox and IE as well as Safari.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 21, 2008, 12:39:20 AM
I tried that SeaMonkey once, but having no use for the Newsreader and Email Programs I never used it as it wasn't much different than Firefox.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 21, 2008, 01:14:51 AM
I have Google for my e-mail and newsreader needs.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 21, 2008, 01:17:09 AM
that is why I didn't need those built into the web browser.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Smoke39 on June 21, 2008, 01:22:22 AM
You can choose to install only the browser.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Shift Key on June 21, 2008, 01:24:13 AM
I got Office 2008 in some deal but I haven't actually used it yet, mostly because I haven't needed it (beyond simple word processing, which can be done in TextEdit) and I've been playing around with Creative Suite 3 which I got in the same way.
If you got OneNote in that pack, give it a whirl. Its an awesome tool for note-taking and organisational stuff - integrates with other parts of Office to track emails, calendar, pictures, documents, websites, etc. I used it throughout uni this semester to track assignments, work stuff, and random brain dumps.
This will become less of an issue now that there are real third-party apps on the iPhone, but since you have to have a Mac to make those we'll probably still see small Windows-using companies/people using Web apps.
It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the Mac development community regarding native mobile apps. Got any interesting links or demos?
Gmail gets my thumbs up too, but I use Outlook for my RSS feeds so I can read them offline. I *could* use Google Gears, but its "2000 items" restriction is kinda limiting when I want to go back a few months when looking for specific information. I can also track specific RSS items within Outlook with flags and alerts, just like emails, so the "one-stop-shop" thing is nice.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 21, 2008, 01:32:05 AM
yeah but if you did that you're only getting fire fox anyways.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 21, 2008, 01:52:05 AM
I'd love to learn Objective C and be able to program for Macs and other various Apple devices. I don't keep up much with the iPhone news because I don't have one, I'd love to but I don't have the money. All I know is there's a lot of hope that people learning to program for the iPhone, which is done very much in the same way as for Macs, could lead to increased development for the Mac itself.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Shift Key on June 21, 2008, 02:03:43 AM
All I know is there's a lot of hope that people learning to program for the iPhone, which is done very much in the same way as for Macs, could lead to increased development for the Mac itself.
Yeah, I've heard this mentioned a fair bit. But I haven't actually seen much in the way of code and applications (I know they showed a few when the 3G model came out, but I wanted to see how easy it is for people outside Apple to build these apps).
For all intents and purposes, Objective-C is a wrapper around normal C code (that's what a professional OS X developer told me anyway), with some additional libraries for OS X development. If you want to get the hang of it, have a look at some C programming books to get a hang of the fundamentals. There may be some actual Obj-C tutorials or books out there as well.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 21, 2008, 02:12:39 AM
Like I said it sounds like iPhone development is a lot like Mac development, so the ease of creating iPhone apps is probably proportional to how much experience with Mac development you have. The device is supposed to be running a version of OS X. There's quite a dedicated Mac development community, and they will most likely be the first ones to do much with the tools.
I do intend to look more into learning to program, but right now I'm trying to learn InDesign and that seems complicated enough.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Smoke39 on June 21, 2008, 03:25:45 AM
One thing that bugs me in Firefox versus SeaMonkey is that in the latter I can press ctrl-enter when entering a URL into the adress bar to open it in a new tab, but in Firefox I have to open a new tab manually and then enter the URL there, as far as I can tell. Anyone know if there's a hidden key combo for this in Firefox that I don't know about?
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 21, 2008, 02:41:54 PM
crtl + tab will open a new tab. if you are already in the address bar it will take you there in the new tab. Is that what you mean?
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 21, 2008, 02:46:40 PM
So I took the plunge and downloaded it, wow it is faster.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Smoke39 on June 21, 2008, 08:46:37 PM
crtl + tab will open a new tab. if you are already in the address bar it will take you there in the new tab. Is that what you mean?
Ctrl-tab cycles through your tabs... Ctrl-t opens a new tab, but won't take you anywhere even if the address bar is hilighted.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: animecyberrat on June 21, 2008, 08:58:46 PM
it did just now and earlier when I tried it. Maybe it is the new version only I don't know. Oh it was ctrl + t not tab you're right.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Caliban on September 02, 2008, 07:14:10 PM
Right now I'm using Google Chrome. It's not bad, but it still has a few quirks to it that I'm sure sooner or later will be fixed or upgraded.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 02, 2008, 07:27:03 PM
SeaMonkey has been holding up pretty well for me, especially after applying the Windows Media Player Firebadger plugin.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 02, 2008, 10:34:24 PM
I love Firefox and I can't live without some of my extensions but it's using up all of my memory and slowing my computer way down. I knew I should have gotten more memory.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Plugabugz on September 03, 2008, 06:14:54 AM
I can't break Chrome. That's an achievement in itself.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 03, 2008, 09:08:01 AM
I made a post about Chrome yesterday...but it didn't show up. Anyway, I downloaded it, and I...don't like it. It has some nice features, but I can't live without Firefox's extensions, and it takes WAY longer to load a webpage.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Caliban on September 03, 2008, 10:12:13 AM
I tried it. It doesn't like some of my web designs, which work perfectly fine in Firefox, IE7 and IE6. Probably why its still beta.
How does IE8 Beta 2 look for your designs? Its actually stable enough for everyday use (but I can't tear myself away from FF3 to make it my main browser).
As for Google's browser, it came with a "all your posts are belong to Google" EULA. Which quickly got rewritten. High-larious.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 04, 2008, 02:15:37 AM
I tried it. It doesn't like some of my web designs, which work perfectly fine in Firefox, IE7 and IE6. Probably why its still beta.
Do you design for standards or do you design for IE? Chrome is like Safari in that it's based on Webkit, and Safari is the most standards-compliant browser out there but can be tripped up by some non-standard stuff that will work in IE or Firefox.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Shift Key on September 04, 2008, 09:32:12 AM
Do you design for standards or do you design for IE? Chrome is like Safari in that it's based on Webkit, and Safari is the most standards-compliant browser out there but can be tripped up by some non-standard stuff that will work in IE or Firefox.
It's such a shame that Webkit-based (or KHTML-based if you want to be historically correct) are in the minority. Otherwise this would be a brilliant idea. (http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm)
Standards compliance a pissing contest done by people who have too much time on their hands. For those of us in The Real World (tm), we have to cater to what the users are running. Standards are fine for setting goals when a company develops a new browser (IE8B2 passes Acid2, but IE6 is still one of the major browsers and it can't do transparent PNGs without workarounds) but once its out in the wild, we have to put up with its quirks.
Being able to say that "Browser X is more standards compliant than Browser Y" is dumb because the majority of people don't care. They just want their favourite sites to work in their preferred browser. So its popularity that dictates where my time is spent.
Having just ranted a bit about the browser wars, I'll ask a bit about what interests me currently in the browser space - integration.
Mozilla are prototyping an framework called Ubiquity to enable this. Its in a pre-alpha stage, but there's some reading here (https://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/Ubiquity) and an introduction use-case about it here (http://www.toolness.com/wp/?p=54) from one of the Mozilla devs. Its an implementation enabling developers and users to easily build their own plugins to manipulate web content in the browser, and share it between diferent sites.
IE8 is bringing out Web Slices, which uses microformats similar to RSS on retrieve content from a web server. The format and the data is up to the developer, but it will initially appear on the website like a widget. It is also introducing Web Accelerators to build context-sensitive addons to reference other sources (translators, mapping tools, mailing, blogging) and enable better integration in the browser. I'm not going to go into great detail about this because I haven't spent much time on it. There's more reading here (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-au/ie/default.aspx).
My question to insano (and other Safari users/devs out there) is "What is Safari doing in this space?"
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 04, 2008, 10:37:23 AM
I don't use Safari. No matter how much I love Apple, it doesn't change the fact that you can't judge a browser by how it performs in an ideal setting, you judge it by how it performs in the real world. That and the fact that I am absolutely in love with my extensions is why I use Firefox.
I had never heard of Web Slices until you mentioned them as IE is no longer in development for the Mac and I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole if it were. While it sounds interesting it's still a proprietary Microsoft technology and history has taught me to be wary of such things.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: Shift Key on September 04, 2008, 06:48:31 PM
While it sounds interesting it's still a proprietary Microsoft technology and history has taught me to be wary of such things.
Web Slices is an superset of the hAtom microformat (http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom). It can be implemented by other browsers if they feel the urge. Nice troll though.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 04, 2008, 07:29:59 PM
I wasn't trolling, I just didn't read up on it. I think it's a reasonable assumption to believe something Microsoft is doing is proprietary and an attempt to control the market until proven otherwise. Love Microsoft or hate them, you've got to admit that's standard operating procedure for them.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: redgiemental on September 05, 2008, 09:13:21 AM
Just so you know there is a shortcut for tabs on te Mac version of Safari. Its Command (Apple) key + T.
Flash is also far from the best video codec.
I tried out the Google Chrome browser. I was impressed by the speed. It looked a little goofy and I didn't try it for too long before booting back into Mac but that wasn't really an issue with the browser itself.
Edit: VMWare is one excellent way of having a virtual Windows PC on Mac. There is also Parallels but thats really intended to have both constantly running whereas VMWare is more a use when you need it proposition.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 05, 2008, 03:56:49 PM
Parallels works fine for me just using it when I need it.
Title: Re: Not to be an open source tool....
Post by: redgiemental on September 06, 2008, 06:46:17 AM
Good good I don't have mch ram on my little macbook lol.
