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Title: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: Les Thomas on May 28, 2008, 04:26:23 PM
Greenpeace dissected the current generation of home video game consoles in search of toxic chemicals, Nintendo was unimpressed.
 http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=16041

 Greenpeace recently announced a new study showing toxic chemicals inside each of this generation's home consoles.  Techradar called it a "Playing Dirty" report and was first to provide Nintendo's response which outlined their position on Greenpeace as a whole.    


The Greenpeace "Guide to Greener Electronics" first included video game consoles in November of 2007 and awarded Nintendo the distinction of being the first company to receive a score of 0 out of 10.  The next quarterly Greenpeace guide gave the Nintendo Wii system some credit for energy efficiency and awarded Nintendo 0.3 out of 10.      


Between the two "Greener Electronics" reports, Greenpeace launched their "Clash of the Consoles" website which caricatured Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft's mascots and used creative prose to trash claimed toxic policies.  Here is an example of Greenpeace rhetoric from the site: "Mario might be super but he's no hero when it comes to avoiding toxic chemicals. He gets zero recycling credits."    


This May, the Greenpeace study used scientists at their research facility and two independent labs to literally dissect the current generation of systems: Wii, PlayStation 3, and Xbox 360.  Their examination found traces of bromine and phthalates in all systems, as well as beryllium in the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.  Interestingly, bromine is used for safety as a fire retardant and phthalates are present in plastics to make them more easily recyclable.  None of the consoles contained toxins that exceeded legal limits for toys by EU guidelines.  Nintendo has pledged to remove phthalates from their products in place of more efficient plastic softeners.    


Greenpeace was quick to add the consoles are not dangerous to have in the home, but their afterlife as e-waste will have devastating effects on the environment.  Zeina Al-Hajj, Greenpeace International Toxic Campaign coordinator stated: "Nintendo doesn't have any environmental policies."    


Nintendo was quick to respond to the allegations of toxic culpability:    


"Nintendo has not been badly rated by Greenpeace. Greenpeace chose to conduct a survey and produce a report, which graded companies upon the voluntary submission of information.    


"Nintendo decided not to take part in the survey and were therefore 'ungraded' in the resulting report. Nintendo provides detailed information regarding our compliance to EU Directives via the Consumer Section of our website and therefore we felt it unnecessary to take part in the Greenpeace survey.    


"Furthermore, we fully comply with all the necessary EU Directives on the Restriction of Hazardous Substances aimed at environmental protection and consumer health and safety. Furthermore, in order to ensure our products are safe for use by young children we also take into consideration the standards applicable to toys."

Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: nickmitch on May 29, 2008, 02:04:59 AM
They couldn't just reply with "Greenpeace can suck it."?
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: Kairon on May 29, 2008, 02:08:45 AM
Greenpeace DOES have a point though, don't they? Nintendo isn't voluntarily doing anything to protect the environment. They're merely complying with laws... and doing nothing out of the goodness of their own green heart?
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 29, 2008, 02:11:17 AM
Afterlife as e-waste. They must be ANGRY over ET polluting the deserts!
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: Kairon on May 29, 2008, 02:21:23 AM
Mercury in drinking water is no laughing matter, GP.
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 29, 2008, 02:32:49 AM
Mercury in drinking water is no laughing matter, GP.

Whatever you do don't let Mercury Meltdown Revolution get anywhere near Dewy's Adventure! The results could be disasterous.
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 29, 2008, 02:37:17 AM
Mercury in drinking water is no laughing matter, GP.

Your support for Far Cry on Wii has helped perpetuate Ubisofts pollution on all of us both physically and mentally. Mercury water is nothing compared to the harm Far Cry and Animalz does to a person and the environment around them!
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: Kairon on May 29, 2008, 02:42:06 AM
I give up. T_T

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Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: ShyGuy on May 29, 2008, 03:00:01 AM
It didn't even say anything in the article about Mercury.
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: Kairon on May 29, 2008, 03:08:24 AM
Well, just general environmental issues awareness and the like. Maybe the ET carts back in the days had mercury, or whatnot, but you get the idea.
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: ShyGuy on May 29, 2008, 03:19:13 AM
Is there mercury in 2600 cartridges? I wouldn't think so. Trace amounts of lead I'm sure, Arsenic possibly on the PCBs, but no mercury. That just seems factually wrong.

I'M NOT KILLING THE MOCKING BIRD YOSHIDIOUS I'M TRYING TO GUIDE IT TO SAFE HAVEN
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: Kairon on May 29, 2008, 03:29:45 AM
T_T It was meant as a general example of heavy metals and toxins making their way from discarded electronics into the drinkable water supply!
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: ShyGuy on May 29, 2008, 03:43:31 AM
Factual accuracy as a NWR staff representative is no laughing matter, Kairon.
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: Kairon on May 29, 2008, 03:53:25 AM
Let my this experience serve as an example for all NWR staffers, get someone to fact check your forum posts. T_T
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: blackfootsteps on May 29, 2008, 04:52:21 AM
Here is an example of Greenpeace rhetoric from the site: "Mario might be super but he's no hero when it comes to avoiding toxic chemicals. He gets zero recycling credits."   

I call BS Greenpeace. Mario is a plumber with 25 years experience, his ability to handle all kinds of chemicals would be unmatched by any other mortal.
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: EasyCure on May 29, 2008, 09:16:18 AM
Here is an example of Greenpeace rhetoric from the site: "Mario might be super but he's no hero when it comes to avoiding toxic chemicals. He gets zero recycling credits."  

I call BS Greenpeace. Mario is a plumber with 25 years experience, his ability to handle all kinds of chemicals would be unmatched by any other mortal.

QFT
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 29, 2008, 11:43:59 AM
Greenpeace DOES have a point though, don't they? Nintendo isn't voluntarily doing anything to protect the environment. They're merely complying with laws... and doing nothing out of the goodness of their own green heart?

Greenpeace does not have a point.  Obeying the law is all we can ask of Nintendo, because if that isn't good enough, why haven't we changed the laws so that it would be?  It is incredibly stupid to set a standard and then criticize someone for "merely" meeting it.  Picture the flair scene from Office Space.
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: animecyberrat on May 29, 2008, 12:15:49 PM
environmentalist are the ones *$^*$%ing everything up.  >:(
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: Kairon on May 29, 2008, 01:11:23 PM
Greenpeace DOES have a point though, don't they? Nintendo isn't voluntarily doing anything to protect the environment. They're merely complying with laws... and doing nothing out of the goodness of their own green heart?

Greenpeace does not have a point.  Obeying the law is all we can ask of Nintendo, because if that isn't good enough, why haven't we changed the laws so that it would be?  It is incredibly stupid to set a standard and then criticize someone for "merely" meeting it.  Picture the flair scene from Office Space.

Good point, actually.

In a way, Greenpeace IS playing dirty because they're trying to smear companies that don't do exactly that. You could say it's for a good cause, but it is a sort of underhanded tactic.
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: nickmitch on May 29, 2008, 02:42:21 PM
Greenpeace is just too far up their own ass. I'm pretty sure there are bigger problems with the environment than people throwing their Wiis in the trash.
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: EasyCure on May 29, 2008, 02:48:31 PM
Greenpeace is just too far up their own ass. I'm pretty sure there are bigger problems with the environment than people throwing their PS3s/broken 360s in the trash.

fixed
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: Djunknown on May 29, 2008, 09:19:04 PM
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Furthermore, we fully comply with all the necessary EU Directives on the Restriction of Hazardous Substances aimed at environmental protection and consumer health and safety.

Great if you're in the countries in the EU, but what about US standards? Is the underlying assumption that EU standards are higher than the ones in the United States/Canada/Mexico?

Has GreenPeace conducted similar experiments with other electronic devices, like HDTV's, iPods, Blackberries?
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: animecyberrat on May 29, 2008, 10:09:38 PM
If I said who cares would I be killing the mockingbird?
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: ATimson on May 30, 2008, 12:20:20 AM
Great if you're in the countries in the EU, but what about US standards? Is the underlying assumption that EU standards are higher than the ones in the United States/Canada/Mexico?
I'm not sure about Canada/Mexico, but I'm pretty sure that the EU's standards are generally more stringent than the US's.
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: animecyberrat on May 30, 2008, 12:42:37 AM
and I thought he were tough on the environmentalists.
Title: Re: Greenpeace Clash with Nintendo Continues Over 'Playing Dirty' Report
Post by: Ian Sane on May 30, 2008, 12:56:14 PM
Greenpeace is concerned with e-Waste but here's the thing.  Who the hell wants a biodegradable videogame console?  I want my console to last.  They design these electronics to not easily break down so that they're durable.  Imagine if bacteria ate away at your console.  You would be pissed.

With consoles it is especially important because videogames are treated largely as disposable entertainment.  I consider it a good thing that my SNES appears to be indestructable because they don't make them anymore.  Sure we have stuff like the VC and retro compilations and re-releases.  But those aren't completely trustworthy.  Most game companies treat retro releases as cheap cash-ins so sometimes the emulation isn't up to snuff or they make some change to the re-release to make it more "modern".  Sometimes they just do an outright sh!tty job of it.  And sometimes there are licencing issues like how Nintendo removed Kawasaki logos from Wave Race 64 or how games like Goldeneye are in limbo.  And of course there is a whole bunch of games from defunct companies or that for whatever reason the rights holder chooses not to re-release.  Owning old videogame consoles is a necessity for anyone who doesn't consider gaming to be disposable entertainment.  So to us non-biodegradable super electronics that can survive nuclear blasts are a good thing.  In some cases if fans don't keep that old hardware working that game will just outright disappear.