Community Forums => General Chat => Topic started by: ThePerm on May 05, 2008, 03:34:33 AM
Title: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: ThePerm on May 05, 2008, 03:34:33 AM
i mentioned in the iron man thread how i would write the metroid movie, but for Zelda i would pretty much follow ocarina of time. The movie would start off during a war, Ganondorf would be the focus, the first couple of minutes ends with a women fleeing into the forest while her husband is savagely murdered by secret foreign forces. The movie would then follow into Link waking up as a stranger enters the forest. The stranger is ganondorf much older, going to talk to the great deku. The thing i would change is the 7 year imprisonment. Instead i'd make it so that he is sent to Death mountain to work as slave labor with the gorons. There he trains and becomes great for 7 years. You know one of the jokes in zelda was that link never talks, and people wondfer how that would be done, you know...Schwarzenegger didn't talk much playing Conan. I would establish link as a mute though.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: King of Twitch on May 05, 2008, 04:02:27 AM
No, keep the mute. I like it, I like it. Link is the deaf dumb and blind boy who learns pinball bombchu bowling from the Gorons and gathers a great following of admirers. Eventually they turn against him after he inadvertently blows up the entrance to the Goron mines and is left alone and empty.
He goes on a rampage, using bombchus as weapons of mass destruction to overthrow King Darius and avenge Gannondorf, plundering and pruning the hedges of many small villages.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: Kairon on May 05, 2008, 04:26:48 AM
That would be very hard though, not just the writing of a character who never talks, but the acting of it.
Fantasy is one thing, we can accept fantasy and Link not talking and all that. But the closer we get to reality, which is the direction a movie starts to take us, the more and more we'll be asking why it doesn't jive with our everyday knowledge.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: UncleBob on May 05, 2008, 08:43:32 AM
If you take out the seven year imprisonment thing, you would be taking out the element of time travel, which would be odd in a movie based on the game Ocarina of Time about the Hero of Time....
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: animecyberrat on May 05, 2008, 11:24:50 AM
Silent Bob begs to differ Kairon.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: EasyCure on May 05, 2008, 02:31:04 PM
i mentioned in the iron man thread how i would write the metroid movie, but for Zelda i would pretty much follow ocarina of time. The movie would start off during a war, Ganondorf would be the focus, the first couple of minutes ends with a women fleeing into the forest while her husband is savagely murdered by secret foreign forces. The movie would then follow into Link waking up as a stranger enters the forest. The stranger is ganondorf much older, going to talk to the great deku. The thing i would change is the 7 year imprisonment. Instead i'd make it so that he is sent to Death mountain to work as slave labor with the gorons. There he trains and becomes great for 7 years. You know one of the jokes in zelda was that link never talks, and people wondfer how that would be done, you know...Schwarzenegger didn't talk much playing Conan. I would establish link as a mute though.
Link could have his tongue ripped out as a slave. Gorons can talk in their own language, subtitled of course, so that there can be some dialogue during those scenes. Thats just a thought though.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: ThePerm on May 05, 2008, 03:40:01 PM
It wouldn't be ocarina of time, it would be based on ocarina of time.
Initial War Fleeing to the forest growing up in the forest ganon sacks hyrule and becomes king Link grows up link fights ganon
Maybe link would be feral growing up in the forest and thats why he doesn't talk, i like the tongue idea though.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: Kairon on May 05, 2008, 03:54:32 PM
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: animecyberrat on May 06, 2008, 07:31:07 PM
If you mean comic do you mean comical or do you mean comic book? Because he didn't start out as a comic book character.
Also if Nintendo was being true to what came before, Link was very comical and full of dialog in the old Zelda cartoon, so this whole notion Link can't talk is lame IMO.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 06, 2008, 07:36:32 PM
That's the reason why he doesn't talk anymore.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: nickmitch on May 07, 2008, 12:02:09 AM
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: animecyberrat on May 07, 2008, 11:30:50 AM
So they could have the fairy be Links interpreter, that could work right? I think it had a different name in the old cartoon than Navi didn't it? I forgot cuz it's been way too long since I've since the old cartoon.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: Adrock on May 07, 2008, 09:42:00 PM
There's a reason Link is mute in the games. In a movie, there'd need to be a reason why Link is mute otherwise, it'd seem forced, artificial and unnecessary.
I'm against the idea of following the plots of any of the games. Stick close to the source material and make an original story.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: ThePerm on May 11, 2008, 05:05:00 PM
Link would be mute in the movies, because he was mute in the game, or at least had a voice. Implanting a new voice would be wrong if we used our imagination all these years. However, then again Ganon would have to be like somewhere between Scar, Jafar, Tim Curry, and Arnold Schwarzenegger.
I say just make an astounding looking CG movie.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: mantidor on May 14, 2008, 04:46:06 PM
The thing is that Link actually is not a mute. He interacts constantly with everyone. The most obvious example is that there's always someone in every game with the annoying line" what is your name? is it really *insert file name*!? thats cute/is nice/whatever". There's simply no way to tell someone your name in these situations if its not by talking.
A Zelda movie with a mute Link would simply NOT work, people would hate it because it would look silly.
The real problem however is the Zelda story, which is too simple, cliche and predictable. If I were to do a Zelda movie I would go crazy and try to do a surreal piece or something similar, is really the only way I see it working.
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and a metroid movie would be awesome and very doable, the story already is fresh just by having a girl as the main character, even if she ends up as the generic blond bombshell Nintendo is trying to convert her in. There's a background story of revenge and all and it could work very well.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 14, 2008, 05:38:29 PM
Yeah, Link does talk to the other people, but you don't see or hear what he says. Miyamoto or Aonuma or some developer that worked on Zelda explained it as a situation where the character you're playing as is you and it's more immersive when the game doesn't respond for you, and since any time Link talks it's usually pretty obvious what his response would be you're supposed to come up with what to say yourself. This means that Link is not mute, which actually makes the problem worse because they would have to give a voice to a character that no one has heard but everyone has a unique idea of how he sounds, meaning they could never get it right.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: EasyCure on May 14, 2008, 08:08:54 PM
Yeah, Link does talk to the other people, but you don't see or hear what he says. Miyamoto or Aonuma or some developer that worked on Zelda explained it as a situation where the character you're playing as is you and it's more immersive when the game doesn't respond for you, and since any time Link talks it's usually pretty obvious what his response would be you're supposed to come up with what to say yourself. This means that Link is not mute, which actually makes the problem worse because they would have to give a voice to a character that no one has heard but everyone has a unique idea of how he sounds, meaning they could never get it right.
i thought this was common knowledge. some of you zelda "fans" should be ashamed.
insonolord +2
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: animecyberrat on May 14, 2008, 08:36:05 PM
what do you mean by "no one has heard before" I heard him speak every Friday right during the Super Mario Bros. Super Show. Or was it Saturday Zelda came on instead of Mario? Sure some people think that Link would be wrong, but it is a legitimate personification of a beloved character that some would hate and some would like. Not that I want him to be like that character, although I was one of the few apparently who liked the old cartoons.
Rat deserves INFINITY bonus points yes, no?
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 14, 2008, 08:39:12 PM
EXCCCUUUUUUUUSEEEEE ME, PRINCESS
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: EasyCure on May 14, 2008, 08:56:59 PM
what do you mean by "no one has heard before" I heard him speak every Friday right during the Super Mario Bros. Super Show. Or was it Saturday Zelda came on instead of Mario? Sure some people think that Link would be wrong, but it is a legitimate personification of a beloved character that some would hate and some would like. Not that I want him to be like that character, although I was one of the few apparently who liked the old cartoons.
Rat deserves INFINITY bonus points yes, no?
no because Daaaaaman64 beat you to greatness.
And it came on Fridays instead of the Mario Bros. Super Show... (and i own the dvd set :()
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: animecyberrat on May 14, 2008, 11:21:48 PM
I thought it was Fridays but it's been so long. I had a friend buy the DVD set and we are gonna watch it but then a week latter he moved.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: Adrock on May 15, 2008, 01:02:16 AM
The thing is that Link actually is not a mute. He interacts constantly with everyone.
True, but the point is that Link has no spoken dialog. His responses to NPCs are user dependent (though Nintendo usually only gives you 1 real choice anyway). That can work in a videogame since Link is the avatar of the player. However, in a film, the audience does not have that same connection with Link. Can a film work when the main character doesn't utter a single work? Yes, it can, BUT there needs to be a reason why. He can't just not talk because the general audience would wonder why Link wasn't talking.
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and a metroid movie would be awesome and very doable, the story already is fresh just by having a girl as the main character, even if she ends up as the generic blond bombshell Nintendo is trying to convert her in. There's a background story of revenge and all and it could work very well.
I wouldn't say that the story is terrible fresh. Nintendo basically just ganked all their ideas from the Alien films and ran it through an 8-bit filter though at least they paid homage to Ridley Scott. A Metroid movie could be awesome... but it'd take very capable hands to make it work. Honestly, I'd skip the origin story. Does anyone really want to watch young Samus talk to bird people for 20 minutes or longer?
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: EasyCure on May 15, 2008, 09:45:10 AM
The thing is that Link actually is not a mute. He interacts constantly with everyone.
True, but the point is that Link has no spoken dialog. His responses to NPCs are user dependent (though Nintendo usually only gives you 1 real choice anyway). That can work in a videogame since Link is the avatar of the player. However, in a film, the audience does not have that same connection with Link. Can a film work when the main character doesn't utter a single work? Yes, it can, BUT there needs to be a reason why. He can't just not talk because the general audience would wonder why Link wasn't talking.
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and a metroid movie would be awesome and very doable, the story already is fresh just by having a girl as the main character, even if she ends up as the generic blond bombshell Nintendo is trying to convert her in. There's a background story of revenge and all and it could work very well.
I wouldn't say that the story is terrible fresh. Nintendo basically just ganked all their ideas from the Alien films and ran it through an 8-bit filter though at least they paid homage to Ridley Scott. A Metroid movie could be awesome... but it'd take very capable hands to make it work. Honestly, I'd skip the origin story. Does anyone really want to watch young Samus talk to bird people for 20 minutes or longer?
oh god the phantom menace!
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: nickmitch on September 14, 2009, 11:30:59 AM
I wouldn't say that the story is terrible fresh. Nintendo basically just ganked all their ideas from the Alien films and ran it through an 8-bit filter though at least they paid homage to Ridley Scott. A Metroid movie could be awesome... but it'd take very capable hands to make it work. Honestly, I'd skip the origin story. Does anyone really want to watch young Samus talk to bird people for 20 minutes or longer?
Lord, no. However, that could easily be taken care of with just Samus explaining who she is, where she comes from, etc by self narrating the opening.
As far as a Zelda movie goes, Link needs to talk. You have him say nothing, it's a silent movie. You have the fairy speak for him, now it's a buddy picture. You can't trust Hollywood with a silent protagonist. But he would have to say, "Excuse me, Princess" at least once.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: EasyCure on September 14, 2009, 12:55:06 PM
I wouldn't say that the story is terrible fresh. Nintendo basically just ganked all their ideas from the Alien films and ran it through an 8-bit filter though at least they paid homage to Ridley Scott. A Metroid movie could be awesome... but it'd take very capable hands to make it work. Honestly, I'd skip the origin story. Does anyone really want to watch young Samus talk to bird people for 20 minutes or longer?
Lord, no. However, that could easily be taken care of with just Samus explaining who she is, where she comes from, etc by self narrating the opening.
As far as a Zelda movie goes, Link needs to talk. You have him say nothing, it's a silent movie. You have the fairy speak for him, now it's a buddy picture. You can't trust Hollywood with a silent protagonist. But he would have to say, "Excuse me, Princess" at least once.
You know, I'd probably see it TWICE if they added that line in the film. Now, would you all prefer an all CGI Zelda movie, or live action?
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: Stogi on September 14, 2009, 01:23:02 PM
CG for sure, but in a tasteful Pixar way (not like Dreamworks). Or if it were live action then something akin to Avatar where all the characters and worlds have significant CG effects.
BTW, Link talks...he talks alot, we just don't hear him talk. He's not a mute, he just doesn't have any voice acting apart from the grunts and screams.
And if I were going to make a Link movie, it would definitely be based on Wind Waker. That story is so easy to follow, but it's also filled with mystique and awesomeness (Pirates FTW).
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: EasyCure on September 14, 2009, 02:54:31 PM
CG for sure, but in a tasteful Pixar way (not like Dreamworks). Or if it were live action then something akin to Avatar where all the characters and worlds have significant CG effects.
BTW, Link talks...he talks a lot, we just don't hear him talk. He's not a mute, he just doesn't have any voice acting apart from the grunts and screams.
And if I were going to make a Link movie, it would definitely be based on Wind Waker. That story is so easy to follow, but it's also filled with mystique and awesomeness (Pirates FTW).
Personally I'd like something with a darker tone, and a story that doesn't follow the game closely. That's actually odd for me to say, because I normally dislike when a movie based on a game does so very loosely. The thing is, with Zelda they can get away with it as long as they have all the main components; Link, Zelda, Ganon/Ganondorf, Mastersword. Done.
Perhaps they can try something epic where they take part of Zelda II's plot and have Ganons minions out to spill Links blood in order to resurrect him, and do so! Of course Link himself would be resurrected by some means, I just think it'd be a nice change of pace to let Ganon get a "win" for once, ya know?
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: Stogi on September 14, 2009, 03:22:08 PM
Yeah, but this is the first "Legend of Zelda". You want it to be accessible, bright and cheery. It can have a darker tone towards the end when you find out the truth about who Link is and the eternal struggle for the triforce. That would also lead into a badass sequel where Ganon does win (like the Empire Strikes Back); which is a pretty cool idea.
I picked Wind Waker because of how the story progresses. Perm wanted to use Ocarina of time, which basically starts out epic and proceeds to be epic. Wind Waker, however, starts out slow but becomes more interesting with the kidnapping and pirates, but only later do you find out how epic it really is; kind of like LOTR. Plus, out of all the characters from Zelda games, I think Wind Waker's could be the most lenient in terms of creative departure.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: nickmitch on September 14, 2009, 03:54:16 PM
The basic break down of all the Zeldas is essentially the same, so writing an original story shouldn't be that hard. They could even borrow elements from multiple games and write a story that way. It's one of those too easy to **** up things.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: Plugabugz on September 14, 2009, 04:42:08 PM
Hasn't nintendo's movie studio gone like erm, poof?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 14, 2009, 05:46:17 PM
"AHHHHHHHH! HE. TOUCHED. MY. BREAST!!" is just about all Hollywood needs from the land of video games.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: EasyCure on September 14, 2009, 07:48:53 PM
"AHHHHHHHH! HE. TOUCHED. MY. BREAST!!" is just about all Hollywood needs from the land of video games.
Now THAT girl's got talent.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 14, 2009, 09:36:33 PM
She grew up mighty fine. hur hur hur
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: ThePerm on September 15, 2009, 12:44:55 AM
oh, this is resurrected? I think I changed my mind on the matter. I would be a little dismayed if anybody but Warner Bros. made any movies based on Zelda or Metroid. I saw Dragon Ball Z and GI Joe and I could see how this could go wrong.
ultimately my goal in life is to either be a movie director, or game director. I'm the type who would be very true to the subject, but I would need a substantial crew to get it done right. I hate it when some piece of trash hack tarnishes a wonderful franchise. I just entirely caught up on Naruto, and have been thinking what it would be like as a film. I don't think I would be a hollywood style director though. I couldn't imagine the movie in English. Goku in High School WTF? Have they not seen any kung fu movies.....If I had done dragon Ball Z it would have been somewhere between Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Twin Warriors(Master of Tai Chi), and Drunken Tai Chi visually, but of course with the Dragon Ball story....I wouldn't rush to Piccolo either. Try to include everything? WTF.
and what? i said i wanted link to be a mute last year? This must have been after that IGN crap video, no he'd probably talk....he's be a man of few words though, like Uchiha
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: nickmitch on September 16, 2009, 01:05:49 PM
I think Disney could make a good Zelda, but I'll reserve full judgment until I see Prince of Persia.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: Stogi on September 16, 2009, 04:16:25 PM
I feel the same way. Either in the same vein as Pirates or an animation from Pixar.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 16, 2009, 04:24:15 PM
HELL NAW
Gotta be like BEOWULF.
Special guest appearance by naked Anthony Hopkins as naked Goron Chief.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: Stogi on September 16, 2009, 04:49:25 PM
l oh fuckin l
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: ThePerm on September 16, 2009, 08:50:44 PM
actually I watched Beowulf recently, and it wasn't bad at all. Zelda would have to not be like any movie right now, it should be a fantasy movie, but with an asian vibe. Somewhere between House of Flying daggers and Lord of the Rings.
Title: Re: Nintendo Movie discussion 2
Post by: nickmitch on September 16, 2009, 10:47:29 PM
It would have to be a lot closer to Lord of the Rings, but lighter.
