Post by: Crimm on April 10, 2008, 09:15:00 PM
http://nintendoworldreport.com/podcastArt.cfm?artid=15734
This show has nothing to do with journalism.
Episode 94: Total Chaos
Jon Lindemann returns, bringing the crew back together. He fills us in on Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword, and then we get off topic. Jonny shills his (real) Magic cards (here's the auction) and discusses Magic Online. We get off topic. James brings us back to Brawl (off topic). Greg plays Hurry Up Hedgehog and Pinball (not at once), and we go off topic.
Other plans were made, but...
Credits:
This podcast was edited by James Jones.
Music for this episode of Radio Free Nintendo is used with permission from Jason Ricci & New Blood. You can purchase their new album, Rocket Number 9, directly from the record label, or download it from iTunes, or call your local record store and ask for it!
Post by: Nick DiMola on April 11, 2008, 06:38:50 AM
Post by: Crimm on April 11, 2008, 01:06:51 PM
Then we had to.
Let us never speak of such ideas again.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on April 11, 2008, 01:26:41 PM
Post by: Nick DiMola on April 11, 2008, 01:56:27 PM
It's funny, because Jonny said something like "We could just put this out and do thew new business as it's own podcast. It's that good."
Then we had to.
Let us never speak of such ideas again.
Jonny doomed us all! It was funny too how in the first part he talks about not wanting to talk about the second part for fear of it not taking off because it had yet to be recorded.
I think Jonny can see the future.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 11, 2008, 02:07:20 PM
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on April 11, 2008, 04:19:14 PM
By the way, the link to my eBay auction is http://cgi.ebay.com/Magic-the-Gathering-Cards-Vintage-Lot_W0QQitemZ200214644214QQihZ010QQcategoryZ19113QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/Magic-the-Gathering-Cards-Vintage-Lot_W0QQitemZ200214644214QQihZ010QQcategoryZ19113QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem). (I tried to hide that URL behind a short link word, but it wouldn't work!) I also added it into the podcast article (and corrected the title of Ninja Gaiden DS, among other things). :-) But I'm glad James took care of posting this week because I was totally out of it yesterday.
Post by: vudu on April 11, 2008, 04:33:35 PM
(I tried to hide that URL behind a short link word, but it wouldn't work!)
Like this (http://cgi.ebay.com/Magic-the-Gathering-Cards-Vintage-Lot_W0QQitemZ200214644214QQihZ010QQcategoryZ19113QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)?
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on April 11, 2008, 06:30:21 PM
Post by: Nick DiMola on April 11, 2008, 07:50:01 PM
Doesn't help if you don't provide instructions! I've been making links in HTML for ten years, yet I can't figure out this crappy UBB stuff.
I think with this forum, the link tags work opposite of how they used to work. So now a link needs to look like this:
Code: [Select]
[URL=http://www.nintendoworldreport.com]NWR[/URL]If I recall correctly, it used to look like this:
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[L=NWR]http://www.nintendoworldreport.com[/L]So now essentially, it is just more like real HTML.
Post by: Crimm on April 12, 2008, 01:05:58 AM
Post by: MegaByte on April 12, 2008, 01:33:37 AM
Doesn't help if you don't provide instructions! I've been making links in HTML for ten years, yet I can't figure out this crappy UBB stuff.Real HTML also works for basic links (http://cgi.ebay.com/Magic-the-Gathering-Cards-Vintage-Lot_W0QQitemZ200214644214QQihZ010QQcategoryZ19113QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem).
Post by: DAaaMan64 on April 12, 2008, 01:49:49 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 12, 2008, 03:00:04 AM
I'm not even going to touch the so called hardcore gamers and Mario Kart Wii.
Post by: Svevan on April 12, 2008, 05:49:36 AM
From what I understand Ready at Dawn put a ton of work into the game and had one heck of a time getting it together, even having to rebuild certain sections because of the loss of code. This is a port where effort was put into it.
There are no points for effort when it comes to quality. "Good job" and "good try" are two very separate terms. Let's not confuse how hard something is to do with how good the final product actually is.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 12, 2008, 02:17:34 PM
Though on the whole I agree with you, GP, that Wii owners have got to try Okami out if they haven't played it already, I must say something about this:From what I understand Ready at Dawn put a ton of work into the game and had one heck of a time getting it together, even having to rebuild certain sections because of the loss of code. This is a port where effort was put into it.
There are no points for effort when it comes to quality. "Good job" and "good try" are two very separate terms. Let's not confuse how hard something is to do with how good the final product actually is.
The thing is that by all indications Ready at Dawn did do a good job, but there may be some polish issues. That combined with the fact that Okami is not your typical port and teeth had to be pulled to get it to come out on Wii, I think Wii owners really should support it even if, for arguments sake, the PS2 version is "better" because even those critical of it still state it is a quality port. That is all I was trying to say. Now if the game was a unplayable mess, I wouldn't be so keen to support it.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 12, 2008, 03:36:30 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 12, 2008, 07:15:47 PM
Please give us your impressions of Red Steel on an upcoming podcast Jonny.
Lol that would be funny.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 12, 2008, 08:56:25 PM
I can't believe how much Okami Wii bashing there was, based off a NP review (We have no real idea about how the "new" NP works) and 1up. From what I understand the game has some minor problems, mainly drawing straight lines (though Matt at IGN says that can be rectified by shorter, quicker lines), and that the main game runs amazingly well, not to mention it has better visuals than the PS2 version in full widescreen. Personally I think if Wii owners ignore the game, even if it is just "good", then we deserve more crap on the system. From what I understand Ready at Dawn put a ton of work into the game and had one heck of a time getting it together, even having to rebuild certain sections because of the loss of code. This is a port where effort was put into it. Out of principle Wii owners should purchase the game if they don't have Okami for PS2.
I'm not even going to touch the so called hardcore gamers and Mario Kart Wii.
Now, didn't I tell people that reviewers would crap all over Okami Wii for the sole fact that its a port?
Its VERY rare for a port to be received as well as the original did (except for RE 4 Wii edition), especially since they come late and may bring some issues that weren't present in the original.
That and Wii reviewers make a big deal out of every issue, no matter how game killing or shallow it is ;) .
Post by: Crimm on April 12, 2008, 09:47:54 PM
Please give us your impressions of Red Steel on an upcoming podcast Jonny.
It should just end with "Stupid AI."
It should start with that too.
And say that a lot.
The AI is really stupid.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 12, 2008, 09:52:06 PM
Please give us your impressions of Red Steel on an upcoming podcast Jonny.
It should just end with "Stupid AI."
It should start with that too.
And say that a lot.
The AI is really stupid.
I would say its un-even.
There are parts in which the guys just stand there, shooting at everything BUT you. Then there are parts where they come at you like crazy, or have some crazy sniping skills.
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 12, 2008, 10:19:21 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on April 12, 2008, 11:33:28 PM
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on April 12, 2008, 11:46:36 PM
Now, didn't I tell people that reviewers would crap all over Okami Wii for the sole fact that its a port?
Its VERY rare for a port to be received as well as the original did (except for RE 4 Wii edition), especially since they come late and may bring some issues that weren't present in the original.
That and Wii reviewers make a big deal out of every issue, no matter how game killing or shallow it is ;) .
RE4 Wii Edition was exactly what a late port should be: appropriate, enhanced, and cheap. Its quality is unassailable. It is better than the GC version in every way. If Okami for Wii can match that form, I'm sure it will be just as successful. Early indications are that it does not succeed so fully, though. The worthiness of the final product and whether it can be recommended is independent of whatever trials and tribulations the developer went through to make it. I'm sure Ready at Dawn had less than ideal circumstances, and that any problems with the game will at least partially fall on the shoulders of Capcom. That doesn't mean we should all ignore those flaws. Unless they have broken the game (doubtful), Okami will be well worth a purchase for any Wii owner who does not have access to a PS2. But if the original version is superior in any significant way, that absolutely has to be mentioned and considered because, after all, this is the same game at its core that has been available for two years on another system.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 13, 2008, 12:55:51 AM
Now, didn't I tell people that reviewers would crap all over Okami Wii for the sole fact that its a port?
Its VERY rare for a port to be received as well as the original did (except for RE 4 Wii edition), especially since they come late and may bring some issues that weren't present in the original.
That and Wii reviewers make a big deal out of every issue, no matter how game killing or shallow it is ;) .
RE4 Wii Edition was exactly what a late port should be: appropriate, enhanced, and cheap. Its quality is unassailable. It is better than the GC version in every way. If Okami for Wii can match that form, I'm sure it will be just as successful. Early indications are that it does not succeed so fully, though. The worthiness of the final product and whether it can be recommended is independent of whatever trials and tribulations the developer went through to make it. I'm sure Ready at Dawn had less than ideal circumstances, and that any problems with the game will at least partially fall on the shoulders of Capcom. That doesn't mean we should all ignore those flaws. Unless they have broken the game (doubtful), Okami will be well worth a purchase for any Wii owner who does not have access to a PS2. But if the original version is superior in any significant way, that absolutely has to be mentioned and considered because, after all, this is the same game at its core that has been available for two years on another system.
So, did you guys play the game or are you basing your opinions on what two other sources said?
I ask this because there IS the possibility that what may have been an issue for some may be bypassed by others, or all of this may have been based on the infamous preview version (which was missing widescreen, the paper filter effect and many other things).
Plus, this might be a case of personal preferences. Simply because NP said to play the PS2 version it doesn't automatically make it THE best version. If the Wii version runs fine and has tweaks that make it a tad better than the PS2 version, then it should also be an option.
Once again, did you guys play the game or are just repeating what everyone else is saying?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 13, 2008, 01:55:48 AM
1. Visuals are better
2. True Widescreen
3. Paint controls work faster and more efficiently than the PS2 version
Negative:
1. Straight lines can be a tad picky (Though can be overcome a bit by drawing quick lines)
2. Roll dodge is finicky at best.
So I guess you need to decide what is more important when picking which version. Personally I think it is a no brainer, but of course the slant in the Podcast was that the PS2 is most likely the better one based off NP and 1up, and yet relegated IGN to an afterthought. Not what I call a fair discussion. In fact it was obvious from the beginning that Johnny was slanting it towards the negative. All I have to say is if Okami is a solid port and fails, I better not hear more whining about third parties not bringing more hardcore games to Wii. This is one game the base pushed to get on Wii, so they better buy it and put their money where their mouth is especially since it appears the game is a solid port of the PS2 version regardless of what flaws it MAY have in comparison, because even if they turn out to be true it still is far from a "bad" port. Personally I'd love to see what Ready at Dawn can do with Wii in the future, and I just don't see that happening if Okami does poorly.
Post by: Nick DiMola on April 13, 2008, 02:27:04 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 13, 2008, 04:23:10 AM
Well on multiple occasions I could've picked up a clearance copy of Okami for the PS2, but I would rather support the Wii version. So far the reviews don't really lead me to believe the Wii version is in any significant way inferior to the PS2 version. I honestly don't care what NP or 1up has to say because I rarely find that my experience with any particular game parallels theirs.
Honestly I think this will be a game where both versions do something better than the other, and it will depend on what you consider most important. My guess is that when the smoke blows over there will not be a "Definitive" version and if there is, it will not be by much.
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on April 13, 2008, 11:58:09 AM
[Once again, did you guys play the game or are just repeating what everyone else is saying?
I think we stated quite explicitly that we have not yet played the Wii version, and that all of our comments are hypothetical. This is also reflected in the posts in this thread -- "IF the Wii version is inferior...", etc.
Once again, did you even listen to the podcast?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 13, 2008, 03:21:39 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on April 13, 2008, 04:18:34 PM
Remember, 1up didn't like the controls in RE4 Wii Edition, I don't think we should be trusting their judgment here.
They didn't!? Wow...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 13, 2008, 05:37:07 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 13, 2008, 06:56:08 PM
Remember, 1up didn't like the controls in RE4 Wii Edition, I don't think we should be trusting their judgment here.
Yeah, for some reason 1up has a vendetta against the Wii as its VERY rare for a Wii game to do well, save for an extremely hyped first party game, only because they would look bad if they, say, bashed Mario Galaxy.
And Johnny, I didn't need to listen to the podcast to know that NWR jumped the gun when they said that Wiis would be readily available the next day after launch ;) .
Post by: Crimm on April 13, 2008, 10:15:19 PM
Check the stinger of episode 90. I beat that joke to death.
Post by: vudu on April 14, 2008, 02:05:10 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 14, 2008, 02:55:52 PM
So pap's allowed to make endless comments about games he's never played, but NWR can't do the same? DOUBLE STANDARD.
Well at least Pap is giving the positive reaction of the game instead of focusing solely on the negative sources.
Post by: vudu on April 14, 2008, 03:06:26 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 14, 2008, 03:11:48 PM
I was referring to his incessant negative ramblings about Brawl.
I think your creepy clown is negative. So there!
Post by: vudu on April 14, 2008, 03:18:32 PM
can't hurt me as
long as I have
my bottle!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 15, 2008, 01:38:08 AM
I was referring to his incessant negative ramblings about Brawl.
Isn't the general agreement that Brawl sucks?
But seriously, I've been pretty quiet about Brawl in the last few months. I avoided all character related discussions back when the full roster was revealed. In fact, I defended it by saying it was better than Melee's roster. I haven't commented that much about the lag, except that its disappointing to hear that many are having issues with it, even weeks after launch and that the SSE mode is good but not great.
The last "negative rambling" I posted was about how the Brawl team focused too much on the single player aspect when the multiplayer side could have been more robust.
I got over that, but the fact remains that the team focus too much on single player modes that will be forgotten in a month, tops, when they could have made the multiplayer aspect, a mode that people will play for YEARS, even better than before and work out the kinks.
But any issue Brawl may have I got over it as the hype and the anticipation has died down to the point where I can deal with them better and just enjoy the ride. So I don't understand what you mean when you say when I ramble on and on about Brawl.
If you are referring to Melee, though, that's another story.
Post by: vudu on April 15, 2008, 02:40:33 PM
Back to topic: The online in brawl isn't the best thing in the world but it is far from the worst. I think its even cool that there is a spectator mode and you can bet on players(ZOMG nintendo is teaching I am a terrible poaster. s that gambling is fun!)
Its far from the worst, yes, but could have been MUCH better. Even if we were warned to expect lag with players living very far from each other it is VERY surprising that even players that are living right next to each other are getting slideshows for battles.
Worst of all, Nintendo's solution is to "wait it out". That will not happen as the game is still selling by the thousands and every day there are new players joining the ranks.
Logic dictates that when there are way too many people playing at the same time you take action and try to remedy this. But Nintendo has looked the other way.
Not only that, Mario Kart Wii looks to deliver as much more satisfying online experience. I remember Sakurai said that doing leaderboards was hard and couldn't make it in time. Yet, MK Wii is going to have one and MORE.
Brawl is the product of misplaced priorities. Its great that they got 4 player battles with all items, all stages and all options available, but Nintendo should have been better prepared and deliver at the very least a clean online experience.
This is from the thread Crimm created asking for your online experience with Brawl (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=24696.0). Reading that, you never once mention that you haven't even touched the actual game disc, let alone spent some time playing the game online. If I didn't know better, I'd have sworn that you actually had something unique to contribute, rather than echoing things you've read on the Internet. The point of the thread was to learn about your experience with Brawl online. Since you don't have any experience in Brawl online, you're just making a problem look worse than it is by repeating what you've heard.
EDIT: I just realize I sound like a total prick. Sorry about that.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 15, 2008, 03:44:19 PM
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EDIT: I just realize I sound like a total prick. Sorry about that.
Don't worry, we are used to it. :P
Post by: DAaaMan64 on April 18, 2008, 01:15:05 PM
Post by: Crimm on April 18, 2008, 01:45:08 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on April 18, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
It should. It's edited. There are a lot of chapters today, so I suggest you get the AAC feed if you can.
Thanks for the heads up Crimm, hell yes!
Post by: Crimm on April 18, 2008, 02:01:08 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 18, 2008, 02:46:53 PM
Post by: Crimm on April 18, 2008, 03:17:53 PM
