Post by: bustin98 on January 22, 2008, 10:16:45 AM
I didn't see Brokeback Mountain, but I've heard encouraging remarks about his talent.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 22, 2008, 10:22:24 AM
I wasn't a huge fan of his works, but his abrupt death is rather shocking and sad none the less...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 22, 2008, 11:21:06 AM
Post by: mantidor on January 22, 2008, 12:13:33 PM
Post by: Nintendawg on January 22, 2008, 12:29:52 PM
Post by: vudu on January 22, 2008, 02:02:22 PM
QuoteSo what's a worthwhile death? Lindsey Lohan?
Originally posted by: bustin98
Normally, I wouldn't care one way or another other than the obvious tradgedy of a wasted death.
Post by: Darkheart on January 22, 2008, 02:24:10 PM
Post by: bustin98 on January 22, 2008, 04:39:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: vuduQuoteSo what's a worthwhile death? Lindsey Lohan?
Originally posted by: bustin98
Normally, I wouldn't care one way or another other than the obvious tradgedy of a wasted death.
Um, oh, I don't know... Osama Bin Ladin maybe....
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 22, 2008, 04:49:03 PM
Post by: Svevan on January 22, 2008, 07:47:00 PM
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Originally posted by: darkheart
Did anyone know he was found in Mary Kate Olsens apartment? At least that is what I heard, apparently she was in California when it happened...
Proven false.
Sad story all told, which it isn't, we have an autopsy to wait for; good film to commemorate him by is I'm Not There.
Post by: 18 Days on January 22, 2008, 08:38:29 PM
Heath had some family down here, and you'd know when he was in town because your sister/girlfriend/mother etc. would be in this wistful dreamy state, hoping to bump into Heath Ledger. No one ever got any action or even attention from the local girls during those dark times.
Post by: Dasmos on January 22, 2008, 10:45:11 PM
Also I'm pretty sure this is definately going to bolster the earnings for the Dark Knight at the box office.
Post by: MaryJane on January 23, 2008, 02:39:59 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
I hate this new joker,
Have we been watching the same trailers? I was extremely disappointed to hear that Heath Ledger was going to play Joker because of his other roles like First Knight(not too sure if that was the name but it had the chick from The Rules of Attraction in it), Casanova, and of course Brokeback Mountain, those roles don't really seem to fit the persona of the joker, after seeing the trailer however I was blown away by his performance, and OMG the laugh, wow he does it right!! Had he never done the movie my feelings over him dying would have been almost none, but now it saddens me a little because that showed his potential and diversity. Oh and he played in my favorite movie, The Patriot, although I was upset when his character decided to go after Colonel Tavington with only a few men instead of rallying everyone, which given the surprise of the attack would have finished them, but anyway...
I must know what it is that makes you hate the new joker? Have I missed something? Did you not see the first 6 minutes of the movie? I suppose it is possible for our opinions (perhaps internal depictions) of the joker to just simply differ, but I hope you at least have a reason.
Post by: Ceric on January 23, 2008, 02:45:04 AM
Post by: MaryJane on January 23, 2008, 04:21:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Personally I don't like the new joker because his outside is way to aligned with his inside. Part of the charm of the joke was this disjoint between his outward appearance and his actions.
What?
When has the joker not looked insane? All the comic books, cartoons, books, and movies, he's always looked insane, because besides being insane, his face isn't makeup. The disjoint between his appearance and actions is that he looks like a clown but he's batman's most intelligent advisary. I think if he didn't cross the thin line between genius and insanity he would have even grander schemes than Ra's Al Ghul.
So now I'm even more confused.
Post by: bustin98 on January 23, 2008, 04:35:29 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 23, 2008, 04:54:31 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on January 23, 2008, 05:54:59 AM
I feel bad for his child.
Post by: wandering on January 23, 2008, 06:58:02 AM
Heath Ledger was a fantastic actor, and he was just starting to get really interesting roles.
My first thought was that the stress of playing somebody as demented as the Joker had somehow killed him. It turns out that this might in fact be the case. There's a possibility that sleeping pills were responsible for his death, and he was apparently taking sleeping pills because playing the Joker made him have trouble sleeping.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 23, 2008, 07:32:40 AM
Post by: EasyCure on January 23, 2008, 08:32:48 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering
Very sad.
Heath Ledger was a fantastic actor, and he was just starting to get really interesting roles.
My first thought was that the stress of playing somebody as demented as the Joker had somehow killed him. It turns out that this might in fact be the case. There's a possibility that sleeping pills were responsible for his death, and he was apparently taking sleeping pills because playing the Joker made him have trouble sleeping.
i was going to say the same thing. literally the day before i found out about his death i had read that to get the feel for the Joker character he had moved into a hotel for a few weeks, alone, stay up late and wright in a diary AS the joker.. all to get into character. turns out that after production it really affected him which is why he was taking sleeping pills to get back into normal habbits.
oh and the autopsy is out, and its inconclusive.
Post by: mantidor on January 23, 2008, 02:40:54 PM
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Originally posted by: MaryJaneQuote
Originally posted by: mantidor
I hate this new joker,
Have we been watching the same trailers? I was extremely disappointed to hear that Heath Ledger was going to play Joker because of his other roles like First Knight(not too sure if that was the name but it had the chick from The Rules of Attraction in it), Casanova, and of course Brokeback Mountain, those roles don't really seem to fit the persona of the joker, after seeing the trailer however I was blown away by his performance, and OMG the laugh, wow he does it right!! Had he never done the movie my feelings over him dying would have been almost none, but now it saddens me a little because that showed his potential and diversity. Oh and he played in my favorite movie, The Patriot, although I was upset when his character decided to go after Colonel Tavington with only a few men instead of rallying everyone, which given the surprise of the attack would have finished them, but anyway...
I must know what it is that makes you hate the new joker? Have I missed something? Did you not see the first 6 minutes of the movie? I suppose it is possible for our opinions (perhaps internal depictions) of the joker to just simply differ, but I hope you at least have a reason.
I also don't want to derail that much but smeared make up Joker looks silly and disgusting, I want this Joker. Dark Knight Joker has too much psycopath, too little showman/performer and zero black humor, which sucks. The Joker is all that, at the same time, which is what makes him so great and disturbing, just psychopath is pretty much any other villain. The grin is also terrible and I miss a lot the randomness of the Joker's actions, this one seems to have a perfect plan all the way through without any of the insane, creepy spontaneity that characterizes the Joker (from what we've seen).
I still plan to see the movie and it will be inevitable that Ledger's death will make the whole thing weird. I wasn't worried about his acting skills, after you see him going from "ten things I hate about you" to "brokeback mountain" you knew he could act, but Nolan's direction of the Joker is not what I've would liked.
Also, I'm starting to see the hypothesis that Ledger was too "carried out" by the role and that lead him to his death, something I hope doesn't make people overrate the character or worse, to allow the producers to use that as a publicity stunt. From what I've read it seemed more accidental than anything.
Post by: MaryJane on January 24, 2008, 01:55:03 AM
Btw, if you want to talk about original Joker's, the original Joker was not a psychopath, he was "merely" a homicidal maniac, then he pretty much became a petty thief, then was revived as a psychotic homicidal maniac, and Batman's worst enemy. I'm not much into comics anymore but when I was a little lad I read everything my friends bought, and my dad collected (and mom later accidentally destroyed
). Which is why a lot of these super hero movies have been disappointing (or have disappointing moments like in Xmen 3 Xavier and Juggernaut don't even look at each other despite being stepbrothers, and they made Juggernaut into a mutant when it's a gem inside his helmet that grants him powers but I still enjoyed the movie)I think the new Joker embodies what the "popular" (and best) idea of what who the Joker is, mantidor does have a fair point about him being too straightforward, I would have preferred the introduction of the Joker started with his famous marbles. "Oh look marbles" (everyone laughs until...) BOOM BOOM BOOM they explode when they touch either other causing mayhem and death, that would have been a much better way (spoiler if you didn't see the first six minutes) to rob a bank. Or at least a more Joker-esque way to do it.
His death is going to create a huge following of this movie especially with the rumor that the role caused his death.
Post by: ThePerm on January 24, 2008, 07:40:46 AM
I have always been a big fan of Batman. Huge. Even the campy Joel Schoemacher films. When I was little I used to watch Adam West Batman reruns all the time. When the films came out it was great. I remember the day the Batman animated series premiered. I was pissed because in the middle of the show my dad yelled at me to go rake leaves. Luckily it was only a catwomen story. Mark Hamil to me was the perfect Joker. He played three different Jokers on the show. Psychopath, Clown, and Villain.One of my favorite episodes is where Joker escapes from jail. While in Jail he manages to grab a cleaning cart and mixes the chemicals together. Batman has some dialog about Jokers strong knowledge of chemistry. The joker takes the cart and creates a super slippery substance, which is also a super base...it first causes a prison gaurd to slip, and then melt(if i remember correctly) Joker escapes from prison and stills a semi and drives like a maniac.
Joker is sick, sick, sick. My imagination of joker is similar to how Renfield on Dracula was played. The one with Bela Legosi. Theres a Russian meme. Russians don't smile often. When we come over to their country and we have big grins on our face they worry. People who smile all the time must be crazy. Joker has a permanent smile on his face. Thats in makeup, usually he's actually frowning, when he does smile though then he is thinking of all the great ways to torture you.
I remember when i was a kid i had this Batman video game for the pc, Jokers revenge. On it there is a great picture of joker, He has this huge grin, I remember posing in the mirror and imitating his grin, the way his eyes squint when he smiles. I look really close to that. I wanted to eb joker last Halloween, but i don't have a purple suit.
i'd dress as joker this year, but i fear there will be too many people dressing as such. Cobra Commander is looking good though.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 24, 2008, 08:56:55 AM
The entirely body-painted kind.
Post by: ThePerm on January 24, 2008, 09:06:03 AM
Post by: EasyCure on January 25, 2008, 03:34:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
All Batman products need more Harley Quinn hawtness.
The entirely body-painted kind.
QFMFT
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 25, 2008, 11:12:26 AM
Post by: ThePerm on January 29, 2008, 06:40:14 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 29, 2008, 06:49:24 AM
Post by: Mario on January 31, 2008, 12:00:59 AM
Post by: Mario on January 31, 2008, 12:02:28 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: mantidorQuote
Originally posted by: MaryJaneQuote
Originally posted by: mantidor
I hate this new joker,
Have we been watching the same trailers? I was extremely disappointed to hear that Heath Ledger was going to play Joker because of his other roles like First Knight(not too sure if that was the name but it had the chick from The Rules of Attraction in it), Casanova, and of course Brokeback Mountain, those roles don't really seem to fit the persona of the joker, after seeing the trailer however I was blown away by his performance, and OMG the laugh, wow he does it right!! Had he never done the movie my feelings over him dying would have been almost none, but now it saddens me a little because that showed his potential and diversity. Oh and he played in my favorite movie, The Patriot, although I was upset when his character decided to go after Colonel Tavington with only a few men instead of rallying everyone, which given the surprise of the attack would have finished them, but anyway...
I must know what it is that makes you hate the new joker? Have I missed something? Did you not see the first 6 minutes of the movie? I suppose it is possible for our opinions (perhaps internal depictions) of the joker to just simply differ, but I hope you at least have a reason.
I also don't want to derail that much but smeared make up Joker looks silly and disgusting, I want this Joker. Dark Knight Joker has too much psycopath, too little showman/performer and zero black humor, which sucks. The Joker is all that, at the same time, which is what makes him so great and disturbing, just psychopath is pretty much any other villain. The grin is also terrible and I miss a lot the randomness of the Joker's actions, this one seems to have a perfect plan all the way through without any of the insane, creepy spontaneity that characterizes the Joker (from what we've seen).
I still plan to see the movie and it will be inevitable that Ledger's death will make the whole thing weird. I wasn't worried about his acting skills, after you see him going from "ten things I hate about you" to "brokeback mountain" you knew he could act, but Nolan's direction of the Joker is not what I've would liked.
Also, I'm starting to see the hypothesis that Ledger was too "carried out" by the role and that lead him to his death, something I hope doesn't make people overrate the character or worse, to allow the producers to use that as a publicity stunt. From what I've read it seemed more accidental than anything.
God, watch the friggin movie before you jump to stupid conclusions.
Post by: vudu on January 31, 2008, 06:06:46 AM
