Post by: Pale on January 11, 2008, 02:49:58 PM
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=15101
Gaming site 1up.com and sister magazine Electronic Gaming Monthly are reporting that a direct port of GoldenEye 007, the classic N64 first-person shooter, was a mere two months away from being ready for launch on Xbox Live Arcade. As of right now, the game will never see the light of day, as Nintendo and Microsoft can't seem to come to an agreement financially.
According to 1up, everything about the game was going to be just like the N64 version with the addition of online multiplayer over Xbox Live. As 1up reports, "the point of contention, as our source puts it: would Nintendo receive a one-time fee for the rights to the game, or a continuing cut of the XBLA revenues?"
This story is especially interesting for Wii owners, as many people have been hoping to see a GoldenEye 007 release on the Virtual Console. It's hard to say whether or not Microsoft could prevent Nintendo from doing that in the same way Nintendo apparently kept the game off of Live Arcade. Regardless, fans want the game, and it'd be nice if the parties involved could come to an agreement that would bring it to both platforms.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 11, 2008, 02:58:42 PM
Post by: Shecky on January 11, 2008, 03:00:48 PM
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Post by: Morari on January 11, 2008, 03:22:56 PM
Post by: Viewtiful mario on January 11, 2008, 03:30:48 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 11, 2008, 04:12:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Viewtiful mario
I say who cares, sure Goldeneye was a classic back in the day but now there are better things. I played it again recently and with its horrible movement controlls, its cheap dumb as hell enemies, and its annoying protecting mission its just not fun for me anymore. The only reson I would see people buying it is purly for nestalgia and nothing else. Plus, does the Xbox really need any more FPS's?
And with all that it is still a better designed game than Halo.
Post by: Shecky on January 11, 2008, 05:22:24 PM
FWIW, from Rare's mouth, two months might just be two years
Post by: Morari on January 11, 2008, 05:23:31 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on January 11, 2008, 06:55:33 PM
Post by: Kairon on January 11, 2008, 06:57:50 PM
Also,
/sad at Goldeneye hate.
And,
/sad at lack of OVERFLOWING LOVE LOVE LOVE for Perfect Dark. (But not that "Zero" one, that was shameful)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 11, 2008, 07:03:21 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on January 11, 2008, 07:05:27 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 11, 2008, 07:15:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
Perfect Dark might've been a good game if it'd run at more than 0.2 FPS.
Yeah, the low framerate really ruined it for me. Hopefully we see the game again with smoother visuals.
Post by: pSYCO-gAMER321 on January 11, 2008, 07:21:59 PM
Post by: 18 Days on January 11, 2008, 08:07:11 PM
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As 1up reports, "the point of contention, as our source puts it: would Nintendo receive a one-time fee for the rights to the game, or a continuing cut of the XBLA revenues?"
Gates: So Reggie, uh, we were hoping to release Goldeneye on Arcade and we know you have the publishing ri-
Reggie: Hundred Billion Dollars
Gates: Uh well, you know uh, that's a lot, I was thinking more a portion of Arcade sa-
Reggie: 100% of all revenue from Live Arcade
Gates: … uh look that's our only profitable Xbox division!
Reggie: I'll just take your name then
…: Hey! HEY! Give that back!
Post by: IceCold on January 11, 2008, 08:10:00 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 11, 2008, 08:10:39 PM
Nintendo was able to remove slowdown in StarFox 64 with the emulation they use, in the extremely unlikely event that Perfect Dark could come to the VC they might be able to do the same with it. I'd gladly pay the $10 for it if they did. Actually, I love the game so much I'd gladly pay the $10 (and make room in my Wii's internal storage if need be) for the game in its original state.
On a side note, I find it funny that at the time Rare was bought by Microsoft the Nintendo faithful treated it as if it were the end of the world and now the only reason we have to be upset about it is the effect it has on the VC releases of their old games. Nintendo was either really smart in judging what Rare had in the pipeline or insanely lucky that it worked out this way.
Post by: Klapaucius on January 11, 2008, 10:46:12 PM
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Gates: So Reggie, uh, we were hoping to release Goldeneye on Arcade and we know you have the publishing ri-
bwahaha
Rare was able to release Diddy Kong Racing DS, so I can't see anything stopping Goldeneye 007 being released on the VC. At least, I can't see why Microsoft would let one Rare game go to Nintendo and not another one.
Personally, I only had a problem with Perfect Dark's framerate during heavy multiplayer battles.
I've already clocked over 1000 hours on Perfect Dark's multiplayer. The idea of it online fills me with joy, indeed.
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Nintendo was either really smart in judging what Rare had in the pipeline or insanely lucky that it worked out this way.
They were smart. Look at StarFox Adventures; a clear sign Rare were losing their touch. Their last few GBA games were also not too great. Nothing like their old stuff on SNES, Gameboy and N64 (maybe NES, too? I'm not sure I've ever played a NES game made by Rare...).
Retro Studios is the new Rare, in my opinion. I just hope they'll make something other than a Metroid game. That would be interesting to see/play.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on January 12, 2008, 01:15:27 AM
I've tried to play my old N64 games on my 42" plasma, and damn they look HORRIBLE. So while VC may have a better selection of games, XBLA users are getting better treatment with updated ports.
I don't think any of Rare's N64 will be released on VC or XBLA arcade anytime soon. The fact that it's an N64 game running on a non-Nintendo console is rather hard to bear...
HOWEVER.....
Now I dunno the legality of this, but remember in DK64 how it had the original DK and Jetpac games hidden away?
Rare would probably be able to do something like that...e.g. putting the old Jet Force Gemini of Banjo Kazooie/Tooie games as unlockables in their new incarnations on Xbox 360......
You never know...
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 12, 2008, 01:35:44 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2008, 02:48:11 AM
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Originally posted by: Termin8AnakinI don't think any of Rare's N64 will be released on VC or XBLA arcade anytime soon.
Actually Rare themselves on their own site indicated that there was nothing stopping Nintendo from putting more of their games on the VC and that Nintendo just hadn't inquired about it. I believe that discussion was regarding the Banjo Kazooie games in particular. Also, at least Donkey Kong 64 and possibly also Diddy Kong Racing will be able to come to the VC in the same way that the Donkey Kong Country games did, because of their use of the DK franchise. I think the most important question is whether we'll be able to get Battletoads.
Post by: Morari on January 12, 2008, 05:16:57 AM
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Post by: optimisticlimbo on January 12, 2008, 05:27:28 AM
Also, I want something to work out so there's at least a small chance for Blast Corps.
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 12, 2008, 10:21:02 AM
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Originally posted by: insanolordQuote
Originally posted by: Termin8AnakinI don't think any of Rare's N64 will be released on VC or XBLA arcade anytime soon.
Actually Rare themselves on their own site indicated that there was nothing stopping Nintendo from putting more of their games on the VC and that Nintendo just hadn't inquired about it. I believe that discussion was regarding the Banjo Kazooie games in particular. Also, at least Donkey Kong 64 and possibly also Diddy Kong Racing will be able to come to the VC in the same way that the Donkey Kong Country games did, because of their use of the DK franchise. I think the most important question is whether we'll be able to get Battletoads.
Nintendo legally owns the Donkey Kong franchise, that's why the Donkey Kong Country games are no problem and they didn't need Microsoft's permission. Diddy Kong Racing is a different story since it contains 2 characters owned by Microsoft (Conker and Banjo), so they would either need to get MS's permission to include them or replace them.
I don't think Nintendo would need Microsoft's permission to upload GoldenEye 007 to the VC. Microsoft needs Nintendo's permission since Nintendo owns the publishing rights (Rare was just contracted to develop the game and owns no rights to it).
Post by: ThePerm on January 12, 2008, 10:31:38 AM
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Post by: Athrun Zala on January 12, 2008, 02:26:15 PM
Quotewhich clearly explains DKRDS existence, don't you think?
Originally posted by: TJ SpykeQuote
Originally posted by: insanolordQuote
Originally posted by: Termin8AnakinI don't think any of Rare's N64 will be released on VC or XBLA arcade anytime soon.
Actually Rare themselves on their own site indicated that there was nothing stopping Nintendo from putting more of their games on the VC and that Nintendo just hadn't inquired about it. I believe that discussion was regarding the Banjo Kazooie games in particular. Also, at least Donkey Kong 64 and possibly also Diddy Kong Racing will be able to come to the VC in the same way that the Donkey Kong Country games did, because of their use of the DK franchise. I think the most important question is whether we'll be able to get Battletoads.
Nintendo legally owns the Donkey Kong franchise, that's why the Donkey Kong Country games are no problem and they didn't need Microsoft's permission. Diddy Kong Racing is a different story since it contains 2 characters owned by Microsoft (Conker and Banjo), so they would either need to get MS's permission to include them or replace them.
this in turn, leads me to belive that, at this point in time, were GE to appear in any console, it would most likely be the DS...
Post by: Shecky on January 12, 2008, 04:32:24 PM
On top of that the auto-aim rules, variable hit zones, weapon strength, and consecutive hit lag directly tied to it's enjoyment (in Perfect Dark you die too fast).
I wrote a report for stats class when I was in school on this game, maybe I could dig it up.... I covered all sorts of stats on weapon power, dispersion area, hit zones, and auto-aim calculations.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 12, 2008, 04:52:31 PM
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Originally posted by: Shecky
Golden Eye with Wii controls would destroy the game. Same with dual analog. Golden Eye was one of the few FPS that actually FORCED you to stop moving to aim, and where you couldn't jump around like a baboon. It forced you to pick your routes, angles, and strategies.
On top of that the auto-aim rules, variable hit zones, weapon strength, and consecutive hit lag directly tied to it's enjoyment (in Perfect Dark you die too fast).
I wrote a report for stats class when I was in school on this game, maybe I could dig it up.... I covered all sorts of stats on weapon power, dispersion area, hit zones, and auto-aim calculations.
Yeah I remember Goldeneye for being quite strategic, definitely more so than games like Halo, and I think that is why the game has held up so well because it was something more than Run N Gun.
Post by: Shecky on January 12, 2008, 05:08:57 PM
Did find some random data on the subject:
==> Spread
Measured in units of D, where D is the diameter of the cross-hair
Spread
Throwing Knife 1
PP7 1.5
PP7 (Silenced) 1.5
DD44 Dostovei 2
KLOBB 6
KF7 Soviet 5
ZMG (9mm) 4
D5K Deutsche 3.25
US AR33 Assault 3
RC-P90 3
Automatic Shotgun 7.5
Sniper Rifle 1.5
Cougar Magnum 1.25
Golden Gun 2
MoonRaker Laser 1
Remote Mines NA
I think the report said the method used to collect that. Recalling from memory, it was something like standing is a set spot every time and firing at a 90deg plane to a fixed point on a nearby wall. To reset for the next round I'd just shoot elsewhere until the bullet holes would disappear.
Edit: Some on the auto-aim.... now again without the report this is based off memory, but it tested several scenarios. Std. Auto aim, Blind opponent (has no gun or your aiming across and invisible wall both of which disables auto-aim), Std. Auto-Aim while the shooter is crouched, Blind opponent while the shooter is crouched. Both subjects were placed as consistently as possible (wedged against walls for example) and auto-aim or lack there of did the rest.
Auto Aim / Blind / Auto Aim (Crouched) / Blind (Crouched)
Head Shot= 3 Head Shot= 12 Head Shot= 1 Head Shot= 0
Body Shot= 23 Body Shot= 17 Body Shot= 32 Body Shot= 0
Limb Shot= 24 Limb Shot= 21 Limb Shot= 17 Limb Shot= 50
So you'll actually get more random head shots without auto aim if you just stand (and just be shooting at legs if you crouch)
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 12, 2008, 05:24:52 PM
QuoteLook at this lil' nub. Doesn't know how to run and gun with the C-buttons.
Originally posted by: Shecky
Golden Eye with Wii controls would destroy the game. Same with dual analog. Golden Eye was one of the few FPS that actually FORCED you to stop moving to aim, and where you couldn't jump around like a baboon. It forced you to pick your routes, angles, and strategies.
Post by: Shecky on January 12, 2008, 05:45:43 PM
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Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-RQuoteLook at this lil' nub. Doesn't know how to run and gun with the C-buttons.
Originally posted by: Shecky
Golden Eye with Wii controls would destroy the game. Same with dual analog. Golden Eye was one of the few FPS that actually FORCED you to stop moving to aim, and where you couldn't jump around like a baboon. It forced you to pick your routes, angles, and strategies.
Oh I knew how, and leveraged it quite well when appropriate. (ie: Circle strafing in open areas)
However, quick stops to aim and shoot for the head payed huge dividends with how the game worked. That required a bit more thought, anticipation, and strategy. Something you hot head gunners lack. Speaking of which, when do I get to work you in Advance Wars again? Got a feeling you'll be easy to roll over
Post by: Kairon on January 12, 2008, 06:51:57 PM
*hides*
Advance Wars makes me curl up in a fetal position and cry.
Post by: ThePerm on January 12, 2008, 07:16:24 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 12, 2008, 07:44:18 PM
Except there's no such thing as a quick stop-aim-shoot in a head to head firefight. You'd get rolled.
I wonder if any NWR staff remembers what happened in GoldenEye in the E3 hotel room years back. My memory is a little foggy but I know there was a lot of 25-0, my favor.
Post by: NeoThunder on January 13, 2008, 07:46:57 AM
I can't believe this crap could be so hard
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on January 13, 2008, 08:22:21 AM
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Originally posted by: Klapaucius
(maybe NES, too? I'm not sure I've ever played a NES game made by Rare...)
Surely you have played one of these:
RC Pro-Am
Wizards & Warriors 1-3
Battletoads
Anticipation
I'm probably forgetting a few. They were named Ultimate back in those days, but it was the same company.
Post by: Pale on January 13, 2008, 09:47:47 AM
You learn something new every day.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 13, 2008, 10:03:28 AM
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I'm probably forgetting a few. They were named Ultimate back in those days, but it was the same company.
Uh no, they were Rare back then. Ultimate was like way pre-NES days.
A few other games they did were Snake Rattle 'n Roll, Solar Jetman, Cobra Triangle, and Captain Skyhawk
Post by: Kairon on January 13, 2008, 10:18:24 AM
....wow.... just.... wow.
Also: Snake Rattle 'n Roll. *sighs*
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 13, 2008, 10:34:55 AM
I remember back when the game was originally released. The hype was going through the roof as magazines and fans went nuts over it. I finally get the chance to play it and I while thought that the game was good it wasn't THAT special. And before you say "Oh but the game's great in multiplayer" I did play multiplayer with friends and relatives and while we had fun the sessions were never that long.
Post by: Kairon on January 13, 2008, 10:57:40 AM
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Post by: EasyCure on January 13, 2008, 01:25:11 PM
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Originally posted by: SheckyQuote
Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-RQuoteLook at this lil' nub. Doesn't know how to run and gun with the C-buttons.
Originally posted by: Shecky
Golden Eye with Wii controls would destroy the game. Same with dual analog. Golden Eye was one of the few FPS that actually FORCED you to stop moving to aim, and where you couldn't jump around like a baboon. It forced you to pick your routes, angles, and strategies.
Oh I knew how, and leveraged it quite well when appropriate. (ie: Circle strafing in open areas)
However, quick stops to aim and shoot for the head payed huge dividends with how the game worked. That required a bit more thought, anticipation, and strategy. Something you hot head gunners lack. Speaking of which, when do I get to work you in Advance Wars again? Got a feeling you'll be easy to roll over
hmph... i´d turn the auto aim off and get some nice head shots using just the C buttons in multi. the only time R aiming was good was when interupting two people that were circle strafing and didnt realize you were had just walked in the area
Post by: oohhboy on January 13, 2008, 06:10:43 PM
The auto aim worked well enough, but if the target was moving sideways in anyway the auto aim would always trail behind by just a little bit also the auto aim doesn't work once the target gets too far. It starts having trouble holding it's aim.
I am not surprised that GE for live has been canceled. I am surprised it got this far.
Goldeneye may not seem special now, but it help make the case for console FPS. It also introduced a lot of technologies in to game development. MO-CAP, scripted AI, body part hit detection(PC most likely had this first), usable vehicles (shadow warrior might have this one), objective based gameplay. It also did something that few games like it achieve. As a licensed game is was good.
Post by: King of Twitch on January 13, 2008, 08:49:46 PM
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Post by: Stogi on January 13, 2008, 08:03:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I was more of a Perfect Dark man myself. I enver owned Goldeneye... but I do think that PD had a much floatiert feeling to it which Goldeneye lacked, and in that one aspect I actually felt that GE's way of doing things was superior.
I love both to death. I could fly around stages with the C-buttons in both cases. No game felt faster.
I like the guns in both as well; however nothing beats Golden Eye - pistols - license to kill - complex. However, if I was playing ANYTHING else, perfect dark had it made.
The bots made it hilarious too. Me and my friend would stack a bunch of perfect agents against us and have a ball.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on January 14, 2008, 01:27:08 AM
Taj with an English accent? F**K YOU, HE'S A CLICHE INDIAN. GET IT RIGHT.
You know what though, despite Activision allowing MS to release the port of Goldeneye on XBLA, I'd like to think that Nintendo blocked MS based on PRINCIPLE.
"Nintendo game on MS console? GTFO" says Iwata-san.
For MS to only pay Nintendo a one-off fee is blasphemous. There is only one way for this financial settlement to work:
Ninty gets 80% of the money from each purchase; 15% goes to a charity of their choice, and the remaining 5% to pay for Pierce Brosnan's JBA (James Bonds Anonymous) rehab sessions.
Either that, or ONLY release it on VC.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 14, 2008, 01:48:26 AM
But, MS also has to let PD with improved frame rate and online multi release to WiiWare and XBLA at the same time too.
It wouldn't hurt to upgrade the visuals in both titles either, some new textures and increased resolution would help alot.
Post by: 18 Days on January 14, 2008, 02:05:42 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Perfect Dark was ahead of its time back then, offering dual-controller dual-analog DOUBLE-PENETRATING controls, LONG BEFORE Nintendo embarrassed the world with its split Remote/Nunchuck scheme.
GoldenEye did it too
Post by: JonLeung on January 14, 2008, 05:53:10 PM
'Cause I would like to see how this affects other Rare games if it's not about Bond specifically.
Despite Banjo-Kazoothree (or whatever it's going to be called) destined for the Xbox 360, I feel the Banjo-Kazooie games would "fit" better on the VC. Of course, that's just my opinion...
I never owned GoldenEye 007, but still played the heck out of it at a friend's. I would like it on the Wii (obviously), even if the controls seem antiquated now...
Post by: EasyCure on January 15, 2008, 01:25:42 AM
the 64 controller was so unique and the way the Z trigger was positioned right behind the control stick made for such a natural way to aim and fire a gun. it was pretty intuitive (despite your character holding the gun and pulling the trigger on the opposite hand.. assuming you're right handed and had your left hand on the trigger). Also the controll stick would be awkward for "looking" and strafing because it acts as digital buttons vs the analog stick that it is.
Post by: Morari on January 18, 2008, 03:40:39 PM
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