Post by: Bill Aurion on January 11, 2008, 01:02:12 PM
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5/22 - The Basic Rules (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic01.html)
5/29 - What is a Final Smash? (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic02.html)
5/30 - Moving and Shooting (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique01.html)
6/06 - You must recover! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic03.html)
7/05 - Smash Attacks (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic04.html)
7/09 - Standard Combos (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique02.html)
7/26 - Footstool Jump (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique03.html) (Bounce off enemy heads)
8/16 - Tether Recovery (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique04.html) (ZSS + Link + ?)
8/28 - Four Special Move Types (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic05.html) (Meta Knight's move-set)
8/30 - Gliding (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique05.html) (Pit, Meta Knight, Charizard)
10/04 - Shielding & Dodging (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic06.html) (It's back, no surprise there!)
10/17 - How to Use the Wii Remote (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic07.html) (Bu...But there's not enough buttons!)
11/02 - On-Screen Appearances (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique06.html) (Intros return!)
11/07 - Grab and Throw (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic08.html) (Shield, then attack to grab!)
11/13 - Three Different Taunts (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique07.html) (Link's crappy Melee taunt is GONE!)
11/21 - Color Changes (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/list.html) (COLORS!)
11/23 - Charged Special Moves (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic09.html) (Charge for massive damage!)
12/05 - The Battle for the Smash Ball (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique09.html) (There it is! Get it! Get it!)
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6/08 - Four Kinds of Control (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various01.html) - Wiimote/+Nunchuk/Classic/Gamecube Controllers
6/28 - Names (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various02.html) - Custom controls attached to player profile
7/20 - This World... (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea01.html) - ??? (Adventure Mode?)
8/03 - What is the Subspace Emissary? (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea02.html) (ADVENTURE MODE!)
8/15 - Stickers (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various03.html) (New Collectible)
8/21 - The Subspace Army (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea03.html) (Hey, hey, I see R.O.B. and Petey!)
8/24 - Petey Piranha (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea04.html) *Boss music*
9/03 - Pit's Descent (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea05.html) (Adventure Mode cutscene)
9/07 - MY MUSIC (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music08.html) - NEW COLLECTIBLE; CHOOSE YOUR BRAWLING SONGS! MULTIPLE SONGS PER STAGE!
9/13 - Special Brawl (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various04.html) (Edit the rules of battle as you see fit...)
9/18 - WI-FI CONNECTION (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/wi-fi/wi-fi01.html) (ONLINE PLAY CONFIRMED)
9/19 - The Enemies From Subspace (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea06.html) (Poppant is the best enemy ever! Extra-large pants? Candy? WIN!)
9/24 - TROPHIES (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various05.html) (Ooccoo! Tingle!)
9/28 - Tourney (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various06.html) (Sakurai is a jerk! ='D)
10/02 - Snake Joins the Brawl! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/snake.html#movie) (Mario VS Solid Snake)
10/05 - TEAM (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea07.html) (Co-op in Adventure Mode!)
10/10 - Sonic Joins the Brawl! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/sonic.html#movie) (The Nintendo/Sega rivalry can be relived!)
10/10 - Nintendo Conference Fall 2007 Movie (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/info/info02.html) (My pants, they are wet!)
10/12 - TAKING SNAPSHOTS (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various07.html) (Snapshots without a Camera Mode! WiFi and SD Card save!)
10/16 - STADIUM: Home-Run Contest (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various08.html) (It's back and better than before!)
10/23 - Donkey Kong Makes His Stand (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea08.html) (Adventure Mode cutscene)
10/24 - STADIUM: Target Smash! + Replay Save (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various09.html) (5 maps + 3 minutes of saved replay)
10/29 - STAGE BUILDER (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various10.html) (BUILD YOUR OWN MAP! SEND AND HAVE SENT TO YOU!)
10/30 - Classic (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various11.html) (Classic Mode is back, of course!)
11/05 - Fox's Misfortune (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea09.html) (Fox - 1, Rayquaza - 0)
11/14 - Handicap (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various12.html) (0% HP is for punks...)
11/16 - Spectator (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/wi-fi/wi-fi02.html) (Gamble all your coins away!)
11/20 - Training (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various13.html) (Practice, practice, practice!)
11/26 - Controls (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various14.html) (You use a controller to play the game!)
11/27 - Widescreen Support (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various15.html) (For HD fans)
11/29 - Events (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various16.html) (Event Mode returns!)
12/03 - Friend List (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/wi-fi/wi-fi03.html) (Hahaha, Nate is awesome...)
12/07 - With Anyone/Basic Brawl (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/wi-fi/wi-fi04.html) (CPU replaces Player on drop-out!)
12/11 - Rotation (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various17.html) (Sharing is good!)
12/12 - Options (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various18.html) (Lots and lots!)
12/17 - Co-op Events (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various19.html) (Event Mode & Target Smash Co-op!)
12/21 - Subspace Emissary Movie (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea10.html) (Mmmm...Epic...)
12/24 - Overalls Wario (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/wario.html#overallswario) (Nothing beats the classic!)
12/26 - Trophy Stands (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea11.html) (Make trophies out of enemies! RAYQUAZA!)
12/27 - Coin Launcher (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various20.html) (Shoot coins, get trophies! WATCH OUT FOR MISSLES!)
12/28 - Share (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/wi-fi/wi-fi05.html) (Share snaps with your friends!)
1/08 - STADIUM: Multi-Man Brawl (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various21.html) (Introducing the Fighting Alloy Team! Co-op and online!)
1/14 - Challenges (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various22.html) (Find out what to do to get your goods!)
1/18 - Sticker Power-ups (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea12.html) (Stickers are useful!? Power up your SSE Brawler!)
1/24 - Test Battle: Tokyo VS Kyoto (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/wi-fi/wi-fi06.html) (Testing online baaaattle! Check out the JP Site (http://www.smashbros.com/jp/gamemode/wi-fi/wi-fi06.html) for another clip!)
1/25 - Masterpieces (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various23.html) (Play demos of classic Nintendo games!)
1/28 - Vault (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various24.html) (Here's the main menu again!)
1/30 - Brawl (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various25.html) (Starting roster!)
1/31 - Game Mode Introduction Movie (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various26.html) (Game mode showcase!)
2/08 - Enemies and Allies (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea13.html) (Marth and Metaknight join forces!)
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5/23 - Mario (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/mario.html) (The Plumber)
5/23 - Link (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/link.html) (The Chosen Hero)
5/25 - Pit (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pit.html) (The Angel)
6/07 - Pikachu (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pikachu.html) (The Electric Mouse)
6/07 - Kirby (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/kirby.html) (The Pink Blob Who Eats All In His Path)
6/11 - Fox McCloud (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/fox.html) (The Mercenary Vulpes In Tight Pants)
6/15 - Samus Aran (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/samus.html) (The Bounty Hunter)
6/20 - Wario (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/wario.html) (The Minigame Fiend)
6/25 - Zelda (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/zelda.html) (The Triforce of Wisdom)
7/03 - Bowser (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/bowser.html) (The King of Koopas)
7/12 - Donkey Kong (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/donkeykong.html) (The King of Swing)
7/19 - Zero Suit Samus (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/zerosuit_samus.html) (The Flesh Under the Armor)
7/24 - Yoshi (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/yoshi.html) (The Dinosaur)
8/01 - Ike (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/ike.html) (The Radiant Lord)
8/13 - Pokemon Trainer (Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard) (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pokemon_trainer.html) (The Champion)
8/17 - Peach (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/peach.html) (The Damsel in Distress)
8/22 - Diddy Kong (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/diddykong.html) (The Sidekick)
9/05 - Meta Knight (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/metaknight.html) (The Anti-Hero)
9/14 - Ice Climbers (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/iceclimbers.html) (The Eskimo Combo)
9/21 - Snake (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/snake.html) (The Commando)
10/01 - Lucas (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/lucas.html) (The Psychic Stick-User)
10/10 - Sonic (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/sonic.html) (The Hedgehog)
10/25 - King Dedede (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/kingdedede.html) (The King of Dream Land)
1/09 - Pikmin & Olimar (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pikmin.html) (The Scavenger)
1/16 - Sheik (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/sheik.html) (The Masquerade)
2/01 - Ness (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/hidden01.html) (The Psychic Bat-User)
2/07 - Marth (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/hidden01.html) (The Original Lord)
Lacking Profile / SPOILERS
Jigglypuff (The Lullaby)
Lucario (The Fighting Steel)
Falco (The Rebel)
Wolf (The One-Eyed Lupus)
Toon Link (The Wind Waker)
Ganondorf (The King of Evil)
Robot (The Accessory)
Captain Falcon (The Racer)
Mr. Game & Watch (The Classic)
Luigi (The Green Guy)
~Count: 35, not including ZSS/Sheik~
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5/28 - Pit - (B) Palutena Arrow ~ (Up+B) Wings of Icarus (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pit.html#2nd)
6/21 - Fox McCloud - (B) Blaster ~ (Down+B) Reflector (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/fox.html#2nd)
6/29 - Wario - (Down+B) Wario Waft ~ (Over+B) Wario Chopper (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/wario.html#2nd)
8/07 - Ike - (B) Eruption ~ (Up+B) Aether (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/ike.html#2nd)
8/13 - Pok?mon Trainer - (Down+B) Pok?mon Change (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pokemon_trainer.html#2nd)
8/20 - Link - (B) Hero's Bow ~ (Up+B) Spin Attack ~ (Down+B) Bomb ~ (Over+B) Gale Boomerang (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/link.html#2nd)
8/28 - Metaknight - (B) Mach Tornado ~ (Up+B) Shuttle Loop ~ (Down+B) Dimensional Cape ~ (Over+B) Triple Dash (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic05.html#2nd)
8/29 - Pokemon Trainer - There is no way I'm typing up 6 moves, it'd be messy... =3 (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pokemon_trainer.html#2nd)
9/04 - Diddy Kong - (B) Peanut Popgun ~ (Up + B) Rocketbarrel Boost (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/diddykong.html#2nd)
9/06 - Mario - (Down + B) F.L.U.D.D. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/Mario.html#2nd) (Mario Tornado now aerial Down+A)
9/21 - Snake - (B) Hand Grenade ~ (Up+B) Cypher ~ (Over+B) Remote Missile (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/snake.html#2nd)
10/08 - Zero Suit Samus - (B) Paralyzer ~ (Up+B) Plasma Wire ~ (Over+B) Plasma Whip (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/zerosuit_samus.html#2nd)
10/11 - Sonic - (Up+B) Spring Jump ~ (Down+B) Spin Charge ~ (Over+B) Spin Dash (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/sonic.html#2nd)
10/26 - King Dedede - (Up+B) Super Dedede Jump ~ (Down+B) Jet Hammer ~ (Over+B) Waddle Dee Toss (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/kingdedede.html#2nd)
11/08 - Lucas - (B) PK Freeze ~ (Up+B) PK Thunder ~ (Down+B) PSI Magnet ~ (Over+B) PK Fire (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/lucas.html#2nd)
12/20 - Kirby - (B) Inhale (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/kirby.html#2nd)
1/11 - Pikmin & Olimar - (B) Pikmin Pluck ~ (Up+B) Pikmin Chain ~ (Down+B) Pikmin Order ~ (Over+B) Pikmin Throw (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pikmin.html#2nd)
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5/29 - Mario - Mario Finale (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/mario.html#3rd)
6/18 - Link - Triforce Slash (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/link.html#3rd)
6/19 - Pikachu - Volt Tackle (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pikachu.html#3rd)
7/04 - Bowser - Giga Bowser Transformation (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/bowser.html#3rd)
7/18 - Samus - Zero Laser (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/samus.html#3rd)
7/30 - Donkey Kong - Konga Beat (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/donkeykong.html#3rd)
8/09 - Pit - Palutena's Army (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pit.html#3rd)
8/23 - Yoshi - Super Dragon (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/yoshi.html#3rd)
9/25 - Diddy Kong - Rocketbarrel Barrage (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html#3rd)
9/27 - Pokemon Trainer - Triple Finish (Hydro Pump, Solar Beam, Fire Blast) (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pokemon_trainer.html#3rd)
10/04 - Fox - Landmaster (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/fox.html#3rd)
10/09 - Kirby - Cook Kirby (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/kirby.html#3rd)
10/19 - Peach - Peach Blossom (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/peach.html#3rd)
11/01 - Meta Knight - Galaxia Darkness (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/metaknight.html#3rd)
11/12 - Ike - Great Aether (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/ike.html#3rd)
11/19 - Ice Climbers - Iceberg (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/iceclimbers.html#3rd)
11/23 - Lucas - PK Starstorm (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/lucas.html#3rd)
11/27 - Wario - Wario-Man (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/wario.html#3rd)
12/06 - King Dedede - Waddle Dee Army (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/kingdedede.html#3rd)
12/25 - Sonic - Super Sonic (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/sonic.html#3rd)
1/10 - Snake - Grenade Launcher (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/snake.html#3rd)
1/17 - Pikmin & Olimar - End of Day (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pikmin.html#3rd)
1/21 - Zelda/Sheik - Light Arrow (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/zelda.html#3rd)
2/08 - Zero Suit Samus - Power Suit Samus (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/zerosuit_samus.html#3rd)
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5/22 - Battlefield (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage01.html)
6/01 - Delfino Plaza (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage02.html) (Mario Sunshine)
6/12 - Yoshi's Island (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage03.html)
6/22 - Lylat Cruise (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage04.html) (Star Fox)
7/06 - Bridge of Eldin (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage05.html) (Twilight Princess)
7/13 - Smashville (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage06.html) (Animal Crossing)
7/23 - Rumble Falls (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage07.html) (Donkey Kong Jungle Beat)
7/25 - Skyworld (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage08.html) (Kid Icarus)
8/02 - Castle Siege (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage09.html) (Fire Emblem)
8/31 - WarioWare (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage10.html)
9/06 - Pokemon Stadium 2 (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage11.html)
9/12 - Battleship Halberd (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage12.html) (Kirby Super Star)
10/02 - Shadow Moses Island (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage13.html) (Metal Gear Solid)
10/15 - New Pork City (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage14.html) (Mother 3)
10/22 - PictoChat (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage15.html) (Nintendo DS)
10/31 - The Summit (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage16.html) (Ice Climber)
11/09 - Norfair (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage17.html) (Metroid)
11/30 - Hyrule Temple (Melee Stage) (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage18.html) (Zelda II: Adventure of Link)
12/13 - Mario Circuit (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage19.html) (Mario Kart)
12/18 - Frigate Orpheon (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage20.html) (Metroid Prime)
1/07 - Yoshi's Island (Melee Stage) (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage21.html) (Super Mario World)
1/07 - Corneria (Melee Stage) (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage21.html) (Star Fox 64)
1/07 - Onett (Melee Stage) (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage21.html) (Earthbound/Mother 2)
1/07 - Brinstar (Melee Stage) (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage21.html) (Metroid)
1/07 - Rainbow Ride (Melee Stage) (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage21.html) (Super Mario 64)
1/15 - Distant Planet (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage22.html) (Pikmin)
1/23 - Mushroomy Kingdom (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage23.html) (Super Mario Bros.)
2/04 - Port Town Aero Dive (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage24.html) (F-Zero GX)
2/05 - Final Destination (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage25.html)
Lacking Profile
Mario Bros. Arcade
Tetra's Pirate Ship
Green Hill Zone
Luigi's Mansion
Electroplankton
Big Blue (Melee Stage)
Pokemon Stadium (Melee Stage)
Green Greens (Melee Stage)
Jungle Japes (Melee Stage)
Flat Land II
Spear Pillar (Pokemon Diamond/Pearl)
Donkey Kong Arcade
~Count: 41~
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5/24 - Gooey Bomb (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item01.html) - New Item - SSBB Exclusive
5/29 - Smash Ball (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic02.html) - New Item - SSBB Exclusive
5/31 - Cracker Launcher (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item02.html) - New Item - SSBB Exclusive
6/05 - Poke Ball (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/mball/mball01.html) - Return Item - Pokemon
6/14 - Crates/Barrels (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item03.html) - Return Item - SSB Exclusive
6/27 - Banana Peel (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item04.html) - New Item - SSBB Exclusive
7/02 - Assist Trophy (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist01.html) - New Item - SSBB Exclusive
7/11 - Bumper (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item05.html) - Return Item (Original SSB) - SSB Exclusive
7/31 - Pitfall (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item06.html) - New Item - Animal Crossing
8/06 - Smoke Ball (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item07.html) - New Item - SSBB Exclusive
8/10 - Franklin Badge (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item08.html) - New Item - Mother (Earthbound) series
8/27 - Superspicy Curry (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item09.html) - New Item - Kirby's Dream Land
9/07 - CD (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music08.html) - New Item - SSBB Exclusive (Collect to add to your music collection!)
9/17 - Golden Hammer (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item10.html) - New Item - Wrecking Crew
11/06 - Beam Sword, Fire Flower, Freezie, Home-Run Bat, Party Ball, Super Mushroom (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item11.html) - Returning Items
11/20 - Smart Bomb (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item12.html) - New Item - Star Fox
12/19 - Team Healer (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item13.html) - New Item - SSBB Exclusive
12/28 - Dragoon (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item14.html) - New Item - Kirby Air Ride
Lacking Profile
Super Scope
Lip's Stick
Hammer
Mr. Saturn
Warp Star
Paper Fan
Poison Mushroom
Food
Maximum Tomato
Heart Container (Twilight Princess version)
Starman
Motion Sensor Bomb
Capsule
Star Rod
Bob-omb
Ray Gun
Green Shell
New Item - Unira (Clu Clu Land)(?)
New Item - Stop Watch
New Item - Soccer Ball
New Item - Lightning Bolt
New Item - Sandbag
New Item - Time Bomb (?)
New Item - Spike Bomb (?)
New Item - Deku Nut
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/BillAurion/Videogames/dojoassist.png)
07/02 - Samurai Goro (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist02.html) - F-Zero
07/10 - Dr. Wright (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist03.html) - SimCity
07/27 - Knuckle Joe (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist04.html) - Kirby Super Star
08/14 - Devil (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist05.html) - Devil World
08/28 - Andross (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item09.html) - Star Fox
09/11 - Lyn (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist07.html) - Fire Emblem: Rekka no Ken
09/26 - Mr. Resetti (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist08.html) - Animal Crossing
10/03 - Excitebike (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist09.html) - Excitebike
10/03 - Lakitu (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist09.html) - Super Mario Bros.
10/18 - Little Mac (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist10.html) - Punch Out!
11/07 - Gray Fox (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist11.html) - Metal Gear Solid
11/22 - Saki Amamiya (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist12.html) - Sin & Punishment: Successor to the Earth
12/14 - Waluigi (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist14.html) - Mario Tennis 64
12/14 - Stafy (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist13.html) - Densetsu no Stafy [Japan-Only]
02/06 - Metroid, Tingle, Kat & Ana, Jeff, Helirin, Jill & Drill Dozer, Nintendogs, Hammer Bros. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist15.html)
Lacking Profile
Orange Star Army Sprites
Barbara the Bat (Jam With the Band)
Isaac
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/BillAurion/Videogames/dojopokeballs.png)
6/05 - Groudon (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/mball/mball02.html) - New Pokemon - Pokemon Ruby
7/17 - Deoxys (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/mball/mball03.html) - New Pokemon - Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire
9/10 - Munchlax (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/mball/mball04.html) - New Pokemon - Pokemon Diamond/Pearl
9/20 - Piplup (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/mball/mball05.html) - New Pokemon - Pokemon Diamond/Pearl
10/17 - Meowth (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/mball/mball06.html) - New Pokemon - Pokemon Red/Blue
12/04 - Suicune, Lugia, Entei, Staryu, Bellossum, Ho-Oh, Wobbuffet, Togepi, Snorlax, Celebi, Mew (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/mball/mball07.html) - Returning Pokemon
12/10 - Bonsly (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/mball/mball08.html) - New Pokemon - Pokemon Diamond/Pearl
1/22 - Manaphy (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/mball/mball09.html) - New Pokemon - Pokemon Diamond/Pearl
Lacking Profile
Kyogre (New Pokemon)
Torchic (New Pokemon)
Latios/Latias (New Pokemon)
Gardevoir (New Pokemon)
Metagross (New Pokemon)
Regigigas (New Pokemon)
Garchomp (New Pokemon)
Castform (New Pokemon)
Shaymin (New Pokemon)
Pachirisu (New Pokemon)
Cherimu (New Pokemon)
Onix (Return Pokemon)
Chikorita (Return Pokemon)
Goldeen (Return Pokemon)
Electrode (Return Pokemon)
>(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/BillAurion/Videogames/dojomusic.png)
(Arrangement Supervisor & Composition Supervisor)
5/22 - Battlefield Theme (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music01.html) - SSBM Menu 1 - Motoi Sakuraba & Hirokazu Ando
6/04 - Yoshi's Story Credits (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music02.html) - Yoshi's Story - Masafumi Takada & Kazumi Totaka
6/13 - Ridley's Battle Theme (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music03.html) - Super Metroid - Yusuke Takahama & Minako Hamano
6/26 - Legend of Zelda: OoT Medley (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music04.html) - Ocarina of Time - Michiko Naruke & Koji Kondo
7/16 - Space Armada (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music05.html) - Star Fox - Kenji Ito & Hajime Hirasawa
8/08 - The Underworld (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music06.html) - Kid Icarus - Shogo Sakai & Tanaka Hirokazu
8/23 - Go K.K. Rider! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music07.html) - Animal Crossing - Keigo Ozaki & Toru Minegishi
9/07 - Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Main Theme (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music10.html) - SSBB - Shogo Sakai & Nobuo Uematsu
9/07 - Pokemon Stadium/Evolution (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music09.html) - Pokemon - Kenichi Okuma & Junichi Masuda
9/21 - MGS4 Love Theme (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music11.html) - Metal Gear Solid 4 - Akihiro Honda & Nobuko Toda
10/09 - Ashley's Theme (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music12.html) - WarioWare - Tomoko Sasaki & Masaru Tajima (Japanese Version) (http://www.smashbros.com/jp/music/music12.html)
11/05 - Fire Emblem Theme (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music13.html) - Shogo Sakai & Yuka Tsujiyoko
11/15 - Meta Knight's Revenge (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music14.html) - Kirby Super Star - Noriyuki Iwadare & Jun Ishikawa
11/27 - Donkey Kong (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music14.html) - Donkey Kong - Hirokazu Tanaka & Yukio Kaneoka
11/30 - Great Temple/Temple (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage18.html) - Zelda II: Adventure of Link - Shogo Sakai & Akito Nakatsuka
12/05 - X: Tunnel Scene (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music16.html) - X [Japan-Only] - Yusuke Takahama & Kazumi Totaka
12/12 - Ice Climber (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music17.html) - Ice Climber - Toshiyuki Sudo & Akito Nakatsuka
12/18 - Porky's Theme (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music18.html) - Mother 3 - Shogo Sakai
12/25 - Angel Island Zone (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music19.html) - Sonic the Hedgehog 3 - Jun Senoue & SEGA
1/09 - Pikmin: World Map (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music20.html) - Pikmin - Yasunori Mitsuda & Hajime Wakai
1/23 - Super Mario Bros: Ground Theme (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music21.html) - Super Mario Bros. - Koji Kondo
1/29 - First Songs in My Music (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/list.html) (Saying "a crapload" is an understatement...)
Lacking Profile
Title - Legend of Zelda
Main Theme - Legend of Zelda
The Dark World - Link to the Past
The Hidden Mountain & Forests - Link to the Past(?)
Delfino Plaza - Super Mario Sunshine
Castle Music / Fortress Boss - Super Mario 3 or Super Mario World
Ending / Title Screen - Super Mario World
Main Theme - New Super Mario Bros.
Live and Learn - Sonic Adventure
PictoChat - Nintendo DS Hardware
Mii Channel - Nintendo Wii Hardware
Wii Shop Channel - Nintendo Wii Hardware
Brain Age: Train Your Brain In Minutes A Day
Bramble Blast (Stickerbrush Symphony) - Donkey Kong Country 2
Snowman - Mother
The Roost - Animal Crossing: Wild World
Pokemon Main Theme - Pokemon Red/Blue
Wild Pokemon Battle - Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire
The Kingdom of Bern - Fire Emblem
Animal Crossing Main Theme
Balloon Trip - Balloon Fight
WarioWare Main Theme
Brinstar - Metroid
Samus's Theme - Super Metroid
Metroid Ending Theme
Great Bay - Majora's Mask
Athletic - Yoshi's Island
Frozen Hillside - Kirby Air Ride
Gourmet Race - Kirby Super Star
Clu Clu Land Theme
PLEASE KEEP DISCUSSION TO THE CURRENT SMASHDATE OR SPECULATION ABOUT FUTURE SMASHDATES!
(That means keep your garbage, off-topic rants about Yoshi's tail being too short or Samus' breasts being too big out, thanks...)
Original topic can be found here (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=44&threadid=20906)...
And if there's anything I'm missing, please feel free to PM me or leave a reply in the topic... =)
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 11, 2008, 01:04:06 PM
Post by: Pale on January 11, 2008, 01:08:04 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 11, 2008, 01:08:35 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on January 11, 2008, 01:12:31 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 11, 2008, 01:36:39 PM
I've gone and made headers for the list, which makes things a lot easier to find...
Post by: bigbang24 on January 11, 2008, 01:52:56 PM
Post by: nickmitch on January 11, 2008, 02:16:55 PM
Post by: stevey on January 11, 2008, 02:23:19 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 11, 2008, 02:29:36 PM
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Originally posted by: bigbang24
hey bill you forgot to add snakes final smash!
Ah crap, when the thread broke it must not have been taking my edits...Well it's fixed now!
Post by: LuigiHann on January 11, 2008, 02:42:36 PM
a) While Mario Circuit stage uses the Mario mushroom icon, the Banana Peel item uses the generic Smash Bros icon.
b) Sakurai's description of the Banana Peel makes no mention of Mario Kart, while most item descriptions mention the game their from.
c) The Smash Bros item doesn't have eyes, while the Mario Kart version almost always does.
Post by: IceCold on January 11, 2008, 02:59:11 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 11, 2008, 03:26:48 PM
Post by: decoyman on January 11, 2008, 03:39:48 PM
P.S. - Can't wait to try out Olimar. But... where's our Pikmin Thwii announcement?
Post by: stevey on January 12, 2008, 10:32:50 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 12, 2008, 10:42:58 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 12, 2008, 10:43:29 AM
EDIT: S_B beat me to it
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 12, 2008, 10:52:49 AM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHann
You list the banana peel as a Mario Kart item, and while I agree that it ought to be, it's worth noting that Sakurai seems to have intended it as a generic item inspired by slapstick comedy:
a) While Mario Circuit stage uses the Mario mushroom icon, the Banana Peel item uses the generic Smash Bros icon.
b) Sakurai's description of the Banana Peel makes no mention of Mario Kart, while most item descriptions mention the game their from.
c) The Smash Bros item doesn't have eyes, while the Mario Kart version almost always does.
Yeah, I realized this a while back, but it just seems so wrong for it to be generic, so denial GET!
I guess I'll change it then...
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 12, 2008, 01:28:26 PM
Zelda is obviously not included, with the others missing being Olimar, Snake, Sonic, Lucas, Pit, and Ice Climbers...
~ Smash Balls can be turned off in the Item Select (not a huge surprise)
~ New Pokemon: Shaymin
~ Pokemon Trainer doesn't appear in the background of some stages (like Delfino)...
~ New Assist Trophy: Muddy Mole
Post by: that Baby guy on January 12, 2008, 01:37:40 PM
Post by: MysticGohan on January 12, 2008, 05:07:08 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 12, 2008, 06:41:27 PM
With him and Tingle as ATs and Petey Piranha as a boss, there's three characters off the list of potentially playable which I was horrified might show up as playable.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 12, 2008, 09:16:51 PM
But seriously, what's your beef with him? I checked his info and the worst I thought of him was that he would've been a Bomberman clone.
His game was released in the US too.
Even if his game is EXTREMELY obscure I would've welcomed his addition because he would've been interesting.
But he's an AT so there's no point in arguing.
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 12, 2008, 09:45:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Muddy Mole AT, WOOT!
With him and Tingle as ATs and Petey Piranha as a boss, there's three characters off the list of potentially playable which I was horrified might show up as playable.
What? Muddy Moles chances of ever being playable were exactly .00000000001%. He's from a very obscure game that bombed in every single country it was released. Not to mention nobody at Nintendo has ever even recognized it's existence. Just the fact they made him an Assist Trophy is a miracle.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 13, 2008, 08:25:14 AM
# Link tried to FS an opponent who had a Starman and it failed. One time during Kirby's FS, Starmen were launched from the pot. The enemies used the Starmen and ended up KO'ing Kirby.
# Waddle Dees are better than turnips in terms of knockback and damage. Dedede's Suction spits out fast, but not very far and has low damage.
# Samus cannot missle cancel. Peach can float cancel.
# More reports of Dedede being very slow with fast atacks, but a conflicting report of his Waddle Dees being useful and spammable.
# More PT Impressions: Charizard's has multiple jumps and his Fly is powerful. He flies straight up and burns anything around him. His flamethrower is identical to Bowser's Fire Breath. Squirtle's Water Gun is chargable. Ivysaur is immobile while using Bullet Seed. PT's FInal Smash is very powerful.
# The PictoChat stage sometimes has impenetrable walls and can trap you on a side of the stage.
# DK's Final Smash used correctly can take up 90% of a stage. His FS was originally thought to be ineffective.
# Some people worry that the Smash Ball occurs too much.
# Rumors of Black Charizard. Some suggest a very dark Chrarizard that is near-black.
# PT Impressions: Squirtle has fast attacks, but no reach. Ivysaur is the more balanced of the Pokemon. Charizard is heavy, slow-medium speed, and attacks using claws and tail mostly.
# Pokemon trainer's starting Pokemon is random. So far, it's unconfirmed if the starter can be selectable like Shiek was for Zelda in Melee.
# Dragoon does 42% damage. It KO'd Mario at 0%.
# Lots of Invincibility frames when switching Pokemon.
# Dedede's Suction is beastly because of it's force and strength.
# Ike is being called a noob killer. His Side Special charged can KO Kirby and Meta Knight at 35%. He is being called "too powerful".
# Meta Knight is a good beginner character.
# Ike Impressions: Eruption has a lot of range and can be used in the air. His Final Smash has more range if you "charge it up"?
# Ashley Deconfirmed! She appears in the WarioWare stage. So does 9-Volt and Jimmy.
# Kirby Impressions: Final Cutter has been changed once again. More confirmation of Kirby sucking up items.
# Attendee's Opinion: Pictochat music was bothering.
# Dedede Impressions: Attacks are fast, but hammer is sluggish. As stated before, his Up SPecial has good knockback, but is completely vertical, like Ike's.
# Pokemon Trainer Impressions: Takes about three seconds to change Pokemon. Colors: Red, Green, Blue, and Black & White (original GB version). PT's Pokemon do not have accessories like hats, glasses, ect.
# First reports of an attendee: He writes about Samus, but adds nothing new to what we already knew. You can't turn into ZSamus at the start of the match at all.
# Now that the event is over, expect lots of media, and some new info to be posted from attendees.
# We have the Stage Select Screen image posted on the homepage.
# Conflicting News: Apparently, a Nintendo rep has confirmed that Brawl is coming out on the 24th in Japan, however the Brawl pamphlets handed out show the price of the game, but no release date. (According to the Japanese blog, this seems to frighten him, but I doubt it means a thing.)
# Muddy Mole is an assist trophy. (Not Monty Mole) Muddy Mole is a character from "Mole Mania", a GB game that Sakurai adores.
# People are under the impression that Meta Knight is very good and Dedede is not. (This is only first impressions that are hours old and opinions, keep in mind)
# King Dedede has the same voice as his anime counterpart. (Japanese voice. Not 4kids voice)
# 70-80 minute wait to play a match.
# UPDATE: Female Pokemon Trainer news is confirmed FALSE.
# Ike Victory Pose: "I only fight for those I protect" (May be off due to translation issues)
# Onett impressions: Virtually no changes made.
# PictoChat impressions: Some are negative, some are "better than expected."
# PLAYABLE STAGES:Battlefield, Battleship Halbred, Norfair, Hyrule Temple, Onett, WarioWare, PictoChat, Bridge of Eldin, Delfino Plaza, Yoshi's Island, Smashville, Castle Seige, Pokemon Stadium 2, Skyworld, Lylat Cruise
# Dragoon was seen as an item. There are also a few new items such as a time bomb and spike bomb.
# Classic Controller and Wiimote are available controller choices.
# Meta Knight: No strong attacks. He's the kind of character that relies on multiple hits. FS is very strong and has a wide hitbox. Not much use for gliding. Taunt: Flaps his wings and does a "warp" or some sort.
# Diddy Kong: He's very fast and can "put hurt on you." He has combo attacks, similar to Meta Knight.
# NO MORE DELAYS: According to someone to who asked a Nintendo rep there: Brawl is confirmed to be released on the 24th. (Japan)
# Pokemon Trainer disappears on certain stages. He was not present on Delfino Plaza.
# New Pokemon: Shaymin
# UNCONFIRMED: Pokemon trainer's starting appearance is him running to a stop and taunting.
# Item Selection is ON. Smash Balls can be turned off.
# King Dedede has a pink costume.
# Dedede is a heavy, slow, powerful character. He has 4 mid-air jumps (5 total jumps). His Waddle Dee throwing attack is weak. His Up Special has good knockback.
# Dedede's starting appearance is the Waddle Dee Shrine seen on the Dojo.
# Pokemon Trainer and King Dedede Playable! They appear as "Dedede" and "P. Trainer"
# Confirmed: The Brawl game available is a demo, however, it is a new one.
# Confirmed: Photography IS allowed, but only in certain areas.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 13, 2008, 12:07:56 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 13, 2008, 02:04:57 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Sakurai loved Muddy, and my beef was that, if any MOLE should be playable, it should be Resetti.
So basically, this is one of those "If I go down I'm taking you with me" things? :p
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 13, 2008, 02:13:22 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 13, 2008, 02:22:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Anything which saves Sakurai from a box of fire ants, sure.
I suspect he is still getting a box of ants, no matter how polished Brawl is. :p
Post by: anubis6789 on January 13, 2008, 06:02:22 PM
EDIT: I wonder how one gets a hold of one of them Golden Hammers?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 13, 2008, 06:08:52 PM
I have this gut feeling that you'll also be able to unlock stages and characters this way.
With this update the last week of updates before the Japanese release begins. Will Falcon and/or Sheik be revealed? Will Sakurai drop a megaton? Or will the megatons be dropped by the fans?
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 13, 2008, 06:10:03 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 13, 2008, 06:12:07 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
I have this gut feeling that you'll also be able to unlock stages and characters this way.
I would assume that the stages and characters are the ones that can't be accessed via golden hammer.
Post by: Sessha on January 13, 2008, 06:12:15 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on January 13, 2008, 06:21:12 PM
Thats what the update says, anyway.
EDIT:
Khushrenada beat me to mentioning Kirby Air Ride.
Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2008, 06:23:27 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 13, 2008, 06:23:59 PM
The ellipsis is generally a telling sign of "more than is led-on to be"...Except when it comes to my posts, of course... =3
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 13, 2008, 06:24:07 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on January 13, 2008, 06:30:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"..."
The ellipsis is generally a telling sign of "more than is led-on to be"...Except when it comes to my posts, of course... =3
True... but that may not always be the case... although you probably are right... I just did not really think it all the way through...
Post by: SixthAngel on January 14, 2008, 03:49:14 AM
Can you post impressions in another thread pap? This thread is already on number 2 so I figure that if people want to talk about tiny details like missile canceling and damage percentages we should get a new thread going.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 14, 2008, 05:25:25 AM
I expected that Sakurai would set the hype phasers to "overdrive" by now.
Honestly, if he has nothing left for these next five updates, he'll have missed a golden opportunity.
Though, I fully expect to see any remaining 3rd party characters revealed before launch happens. If not, he's wasted a huge opportunity to induce hype, especially in crowds which might not care about the game unless their favorite character is suddenly revealed.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 14, 2008, 08:00:35 AM
I just want for someone to finally post impressions and videos if only for the speculation to end.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 14, 2008, 08:07:47 AM
It's not that I even care THAT much, it's just that I want all the fake leaks to stop once and for all.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 14, 2008, 08:17:39 AM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
True... but that may not always be the case... although you probably are right... I just did not really think it all the way through...
Thou'st be stealing my selling point... =(
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Originally posted by: pap64
I still expect the megatons to be dropped by everyone BUT Sakurai. Which is funny, because Sakurai admitted that the secret characters get leaked anyway, yet he is keeping the characters hidden as if his life depended on it.
Well, Sakurai never said that the characters would be leaking out a week before release...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 14, 2008, 08:25:14 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 14, 2008, 08:31:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I'd punch my own groin until I passed out if it would end all this goddamn speculation and reveal the final roster.
That's so going in my signature.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 14, 2008, 08:42:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: pap64
I still expect the megatons to be dropped by everyone BUT Sakurai. Which is funny, because Sakurai admitted that the secret characters get leaked anyway, yet he is keeping the characters hidden as if his life depended on it.
Well, Sakurai never said that the characters would be leaking out a week before release...
The problem with that is if Sakurai was planning on revealing all the characters before release why didn't Sakurai reveal any new characters for two whole months? And in the two weeks prior to release he has so far revealed only ONE character.
This leads me to believe that either this are the only characters we are getting or Sakurai is keeping them a secret.
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixI get the feeling that there are no more 3rd party characters and that makes me sad.
I too am getting that feeling. I expect at least one more third party character, but that's going to be it. Some fans, IGN included, are saying to ignore Sakurai's claims of only 3 third party characters being in the game. But Sakurai has not put any effort into revealing any more characters.
How can there be more than 3 characters if Sakurai has not flooded the interwebs with information?
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 14, 2008, 08:51:03 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
The problem with that is if Sakurai was planning on revealing all the characters before release why didn't Sakurai reveal any new characters for two whole months? And in the two weeks prior to release he has so far revealed only ONE character.
This leads me to believe that either this are the only characters we are getting or Sakurai is keeping them a secret.
Wait, what? I didn't say Sakurai was planning on revealing all the characters... O_O
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 14, 2008, 08:55:42 AM
But my point stands, I think this might be it for the final roster. Maybe one more surprise, but that's it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 14, 2008, 09:02:58 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 14, 2008, 09:19:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
So, uh, you think there are going to be no secret characters that aren't on the dojo right now? You don't think you're jumping the shark a tad here?
Me jump the shark? How?
I didn't get married nor I died recently. And Smash_Brother wasn't replaced by another person in hopes that people wouldn't notice. I also didn't try to perform some stupid stunt in order to attract more audiences nor I was given a cute baby to interact with!
All kidding aside, I think you mean "jumping the gun". "Jumping the shark" is a term used for when TV shows begin to lose their appeal and start adding gimmicks in hopes of more people tuning in.
I admit I am being cynical and that's because I was burned by Melee and the hype so badly that I now tend to look at Brawl in a more negative light.
I'm just playing it safe so that I'll be truly surprised when the secrets are revealed nor get my hopes shot down if that's going to be it for megatons.
Post by: Arbok on January 14, 2008, 09:21:43 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
So, uh, you think there are going to be no secret characters that aren't on the dojo right now? You don't think you're jumping the shark a tad here?
We know there are unaccounted for secret characters as well, such as Jigglypuff and Ganondorf who were both mentioned in interviews and given a quasi-indirect confirmation. There is also no way Luigi won't be playable in some form, plus we can probably toss up Krystal as another one who is "all but confirmed" given the whole voice actress credit thing.
How many secret characters will there be? Who knows, but there are some who have not be revealed, that's guaranteed.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 14, 2008, 09:22:00 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 14, 2008, 09:26:02 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
All kidding aside, I think you mean "jumping the gun".
Ah, so I do...My apologies...
With as much time as has been going into Brawl, I am still thinking the final roster will land between 36 and 40 characters...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 14, 2008, 09:27:15 AM
Post by: Sessha on January 14, 2008, 09:53:23 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 14, 2008, 12:11:53 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Realistically, I think the roster will stop at 35. Going above it would be ludicrous. Technically, Sakurai and his team can do it (if the Mortal Kombat team, the Capcom team and the Atari/Dragon Ball team are able cram more than 50 characters in their respective fighters so can Sakurai), but he gotta leave some characters for the fourth game...That is IF there is a foruth game O.O .
Balancing 50 characters in a fighting game would be nigh-impossible. There will always be blatant tiers.
As for there being another one, it'll definitely happen. It's Nintendo's highest selling franchise. Why would they end it now?
Post by: Arbok on January 14, 2008, 12:17:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
As for there being another one, it'll definitely happen. It's Nintendo's highest selling franchise. Why would they end it now?
Hopefully it sticks to one a generation, though, and doesn't go handheld... ever. My anticipation for Mario Kart, for example, took a nose dive after it became a "one a generation game for both consoles and handhelds", although I still love it.
At this point, though, I'm just wondering if Sakurai would be back for a 4th?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 14, 2008, 12:29:14 PM
Post by: nickmitch on January 14, 2008, 12:36:52 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 14, 2008, 12:55:18 PM
Post by: IceCold on January 14, 2008, 01:04:24 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 14, 2008, 04:33:37 PM
Found it on Encyclopedia Dramatica.
Post by: stevey on January 14, 2008, 07:58:20 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2008, 07:59:46 PM
Post by: Arbok on January 14, 2008, 07:59:58 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 14, 2008, 08:01:11 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 14, 2008, 08:02:10 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on January 14, 2008, 08:02:39 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 14, 2008, 08:03:54 PM
The layout design is basic but its BEAUTIFUL! I love how the background blurring makes it look like a photo and the Pikmin artwork and renders.
I also love the fact that this stage should finally shut everyone that was whining about Olimar not being his right size :p . The sense of scale is amazing.
The Bulborb and the rain should make for very interesting obstacles, although I hope they are not too obtrusive.
Overall I love this stage.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 14, 2008, 08:05:32 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2008, 08:08:42 PM
Post by: stevey on January 14, 2008, 08:11:25 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 14, 2008, 08:11:43 PM
Post by: Mario on January 14, 2008, 08:12:33 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 14, 2008, 08:16:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Just noticed the rain tidbit...This is probably one of the most interactive environments yet!
It would've been awesome if they took a cue from Nights: Journey of Dreams and made it so that the weather changes according to what it says on the forecast channel. But the Yoshi stage already has the seasons covered so it would've made things redundant.
As for the delay, I don't mind it that much. I was upset with the first delay because I wanted to play something over the winter holiday and I had the money to pay it. Now I am completely BROKE and couldn't afford it. With the delay though I can find a job, get some money and finally afford it!
The one week delay in Japan surprises me, though. Why delay it for one week? Isn't the game done already?
Oh well, this should give Sakurai another week for him to start dropping megatons (he OWES the US fans one after delaying the game three times now (remember, it was going to be a Wii launch title at one point) ).
Post by: nickmitch on January 14, 2008, 08:17:28 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 14, 2008, 08:20:16 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
The one week delay in Japan surprises me, though. Why delay it for one week? Isn't the game done already?
There might be problems with getting enough printed out for release...As for the month delay here, I'm hoping it has nothing to do with NOA taking out Japanese material (like music)... =(
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 14, 2008, 08:20:33 PM
What the hell is this? MORE THAN A GODDAMN MONTH THAT I HAVE TO AVOID THE INTERNET?
MY HEART CAN'T TAKE IT.
HOW DOES A ONE WEEK DELAY IN JAPAN TRANSLATE TO A MONTH DELAY IN THE US?
NERD RAGE
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2008, 08:20:36 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Since the game is being "released" on a Sunday, I believe the game will actually be available to buy that Sunday...So you may be in luck yet...
Yeah I realized that later. Though I wanted everyone to have some time with it and to be able to unlock a lot of stuff so it's still not ideal.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 14, 2008, 08:22:39 PM
Bah, f*ck this game.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 14, 2008, 08:26:01 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 14, 2008, 08:29:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
DEEE-LAAAAYY?!?!
Bah, f*ck this game.
But, didn't you want a delay to happen? Didn't you want Sakurai to take all the time in the world to polish the game?
Or are you upset that you have to put up with Sakurai's mundane updates and BS lists and rumors for a month and a week?
EDIT: And Golden, you kept prophesizing (sp?) about the delay. Now that it happens does it upset you?
Look at it this way, they can add Megaman to the US release
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 14, 2008, 08:29:13 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 14, 2008, 08:31:22 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
DEEE-LAAAAYY?!?!
Bah, f*ck this game.
But, didn't you want a delay to happen? Didn't you want Sakurai to take all the time in the world to polish the game?
Or are you upset that you have to put up with Sakurai's mundane updates and BS lists and rumors for a month and a week?
There is a big difference between a delay that is for improving a game and a delay that appears to be purely for marketing reasons which this appears to be.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 14, 2008, 08:35:01 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
DEEE-LAAAAYY?!?!
Bah, f*ck this game.
But, didn't you want a delay to happen? Didn't you want Sakurai to take all the time in the world to polish the game?
Or are you upset that you have to put up with Sakurai's mundane updates and BS lists and rumors for a month and a week?
There is a big difference between a delay that is for improving a game and a delay that appears to be purely for marketing reasons which this appears to be.
Oy, you posted just as I updated my early post.
I remember S_B saying that delaying the game would be a good idea because right now the Wii can't stay on shelves, so with the delay Nintendo can prep up more systems so that people can buy it along with the game.
Admit it you two, you are on the verge of swallowing your pride and joining everyone else on the Sakurai hate fest
.You get what you wished for
,
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 14, 2008, 08:37:09 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
DEEE-LAAAAYY?!?!
Bah, f*ck this game.
But, didn't you want a delay to happen? Didn't you want Sakurai to take all the time in the world to polish the game?
Or are you upset that you have to put up with Sakurai's mundane updates and BS lists and rumors for a month and a week?
There is a big difference between a delay that is for improving a game and a delay that appears to be purely for marketing reasons which this appears to be.
Oy, you posted just as I updated my early post.
I remember S_B saying that delaying the game would be a good idea because right now the Wii can't stay on shelves, so with the delay Nintendo can prep up more systems so that people can buy it along with the game.
Admit it you two, you are on the verge of swallowing your pride and joining everyone else on the Sakurai hate fest
You get what you wished for
Well at least I was proven right when I said there would be another delay. That is kind of good, right? Lol.
About the systems being on the shelves, that better not be the reason because Melee proved that the series is a on-going high seller throughout the lifespan of the system.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 14, 2008, 08:37:19 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 14, 2008, 08:40:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Game delayed because Wii Fit is coming out in February confirmed!
I'll admit it, I am excited for Wii Fit. Though even if it came out in its place, I would still be sad.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 14, 2008, 08:45:25 PM
If that is true, Bill, I suspect fanboys will hate Wii Fit even more than before.
"Nintendo delayed the game because they want the cazzies to eat up Wii Fit? F*ck that sh*t!!"
Oh and Golden and SB, sorry for being a jerk about the delay. Truth to the told, I did get a kick out of seeing you annoyed, especially since you kept telling everyone about a possible delay happening.
It was too easy of a target and the jerk in me sought out the opportunity to bring it out in the open.
Imagine Nostradamus saying "OH SH*T!!!" at the sight of the world's ending when he kept prophesizing and warning everyone about it months prior to it.
So again, sorry.
Post by: Mario on January 14, 2008, 09:06:19 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
I think the one week delay was so Nintendo could somewhat justify the delay here. It is like "Well it was delayed in Japan so that is why were delaying it here" figuring that no one will catch on that it is a ONE MONTH delay.
Nintendo has no reason to care.
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 15, 2008, 01:25:35 AM
Also, I'm now using the SSBB release date as a goal of sorts. I have to get my new graphic novel finished by then so that I can fully devote myself to playing!
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 15, 2008, 01:32:44 AM
As for the update, the Pikmin stage rocks!
Post by: Louieturkey on January 15, 2008, 04:25:33 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 15, 2008, 06:26:38 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64 So again, sorry.
Just remember that for the number of times I'm going to crush you at SSBB.
But seriously, the delay is good for NINTENDO, not for us. It gives them more time to market and more time for more Wiis to be sold.
Not so great news for fans and people hoping Wiiware wouldn't be crushed by the iron phalanx of SSBB.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 15, 2008, 06:44:52 AM
Also, Nintendo HATES to compete with themselves. Wii Ware is a big project for them, one they have spent lots of money on. They can't afford to have it flop because they decided to launch it near Brawl.
So I wouldn't worry about Brawl competing with Wii Ware.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 15, 2008, 07:27:17 AM
The March issue came about when the makers of Project Bang mentioned March and Nintendo issued a statement saying March wasn't the date.
But let's not turn this into a Wiiware thread.
Post by: Stogi on January 15, 2008, 08:00:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: pap64 So again, sorry.
But seriously, the delay is good for NINTENDO, not for us.
Speak for yourself. This is WONDERFUL for Nintendo stock owners like myself! (I sank 3 g's into Nintendo)
Post by: Berto2K on January 15, 2008, 11:59:07 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 15, 2008, 12:49:19 PM
Movie 1
Movie 2
Movie 3
I'll start working a detailed breakdown of any new details...However, for now, I'm sure this will make a certain someone very happy... =)
Movie 1
~ Samus taunt: Arm cannon opens up, really weird looking
~ Lucas taunt: Talking to his rope snake
~ Charizard taunt: stomps his feet and pumps his arms while Pokemon Trainer pumps his fist in the background
~ New item? Looks like a fireball or spark with eyes that just sits there...
~ Meowth, Deoxys, Piplup, Suicine, Groudon in action
~ Dr. Wright, Samurai Goroh, Andross, Mr. Resetti, Nintendog in action
~ Target Smash in action
~ Multi-Man Brawl in action
~ Home-Run Contest in action
~ Trophies: (spoilers for those who don't want to know what they can unlock) Mario (Mario Strikers Version), Pajama Wind Waker Link, Ouendan, Chimchar, Tom Nook + Nephews, Chibi Robo, Baby Mario, Mr. Resetti, Baby Peach, Mr. Saturn
~ PK Starstorm, Great Aether, and Cook Kirby in action...
~ Metal Gear RAY animates well
~ Balloon Fight fish on The Summit looks nice... ='D
Movie 2
~ Barbara the Bat Assist Trophy! (Jam With the Band)
Movie 3
~ Pit has a really high-pitched voice! But it suits him...
~ Diddy fries if he overcharges his guns... ='D
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 15, 2008, 12:56:44 PM
Not getting excited until they confirm them as either playable or ATs...
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 15, 2008, 02:25:38 PM
I'm not going to call them deconfirmed, but this certainly points toward it...
Was I the certain someone or did you mean Pap?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 15, 2008, 02:32:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Hmm, seeing them as trophies worries me because I doubt they'd show us a playable character in trophy form before revealing them as playable.
I'm not going to call them deconfirmed, but this certainly points toward it...
Was I the certain someone or did you mean Pap?
If I'm not mistaken before Melee was released Sakurai showed pictures of Luigi and Ganondorf's trophies, and they eventually became playable.
Though, by looking at the trophy it looks very low poly and thus they might be an assist after all. Oh well. At least Tingle, Birdo and Muddy suffered the same fate, eh? :p
And I think Bill was talking about you, SB.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 15, 2008, 02:42:54 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 15, 2008, 02:44:25 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on January 15, 2008, 02:48:12 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Supposedly, they've debunked the Ouendan pic as a fake on 4chan...
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
So Nintendo is showing fakes in their trailers now?
BURN!
I wonder if there will also be an EBA trophy as well.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 15, 2008, 02:58:16 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Supposedly, they've debunked the Ouendan pic as a fake on 4chan...
I hope you don't believe them...The pic was taken from the latest trailer on their Wii website. So its 100% legit.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 15, 2008, 03:27:25 PM
There was discussion of how horribly pixelated it is so people thought it was fake.
I was kinda scratching my head about that, since I saw zero reason to make a fake for a trophy.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 15, 2008, 04:01:40 PM
Its because of this sort of thing that I want the game to be released in Japan.
Anyways, since the videos on the official website take a lot of time to download, here's the You Tube versions:
Video 1
Video 2
Video 3
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 15, 2008, 04:04:58 PM
Looks like Sheik is now confirmed...From the latest Famitsu, I hear...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 15, 2008, 04:08:46 PM
All kidding aside, since she was revealed I expect her to be tonight's update.
Could this be start of major leakage before the release?
^That sounded incredibly dirty...
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 15, 2008, 04:10:43 PM
Post by: stevey on January 15, 2008, 04:13:57 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on January 15, 2008, 04:14:17 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 15, 2008, 04:14:45 PM
Post by: stevey on January 15, 2008, 04:22:04 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 15, 2008, 04:29:51 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on January 15, 2008, 04:33:02 PM
EDIT: Also it is not like we have been burned by some online falsities a few days ago or anything.
Post by: Dasmos on January 15, 2008, 04:33:29 PM
Post by: Arbok on January 15, 2008, 04:36:25 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 15, 2008, 04:44:47 PM
Post by: Stogi on January 15, 2008, 04:46:22 PM
What has this world come to!
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 15, 2008, 05:09:08 PM
Super Smash Bros. = 31/40
Super Smash Bros. Melee = 37/40
Post by: anubis6789 on January 15, 2008, 05:10:22 PM
Post by: Arbok on January 15, 2008, 05:23:40 PM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
Wow, bitching about the hair color..........
What has this world come to!
Well it sounded like they would change the design, and her hair was blonde before both as Zelda and Sheik... so I assumed they would keep that element the same.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 15, 2008, 05:36:25 PM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
Wow, bitching about the hair color..........
What has this world come to!
Its the internet and its NWR...Do the math
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Post by: Smash_Brother on January 15, 2008, 05:36:56 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on January 15, 2008, 05:38:08 PM
Post by: nickmitch on January 15, 2008, 06:03:24 PM
Also: Sheik = Female confirmed!
Post by: anubis6789 on January 15, 2008, 06:03:58 PM
EDIT: Stitching is also very awesome.
Post by: stevey on January 15, 2008, 06:04:12 PM
damn it Sheik
Post by: nickmitch on January 15, 2008, 06:07:04 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 15, 2008, 06:09:00 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 15, 2008, 06:09:14 PM
And yeah, Shiek is not a disguise, Zelda doesn't have red eyes, doesn't wear contacts, and Shiek is a man.
Post by: anubis6789 on January 15, 2008, 06:09:28 PM
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Originally posted by: TVman
Why are their final smashes the same? That's a bit disappointing.
Yes it is... I wonder if there is a slight delay if you try and use when you are Sheik because you have to change back into Zelda, or does Sheik have her own bow to fire it from?
Post by: stevey on January 15, 2008, 06:10:59 PM
why is it not update on the front page? Is more coming?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 15, 2008, 06:18:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Shiek being a part of this Zelda's moveset doesn't make even a lick of sense to start with.
The way I see it, its Melee Zelda with Twilight Princess makeup. Same with Link.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 15, 2008, 06:21:22 PM
Unfortunately, there are no pics of it...
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Originally posted by: pap64
The way I see it, its Melee Zelda with Twilight Princess makeup. Same with Link.
According to the update, this was a cutting room floor version of Sheik from Twilight Princess...
Post by: Mario on January 15, 2008, 06:23:57 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on January 15, 2008, 06:24:45 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Olimar has his Final Smash listed under his profile...It is called "End of Day"...
Unfortunately, there are no pics of it...
Ominous.
Post by: Arbok on January 15, 2008, 06:26:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
...and Shiek is a man.
The site says otherwise:
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Sheik doesn’t appear in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, but we based her model on a design that was drafted up during the development of that game.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 15, 2008, 06:28:07 PM
Post by: Stogi on January 15, 2008, 06:29:56 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 15, 2008, 06:30:49 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Olimar has his Final Smash listed under his profile...It is called "End of Day"...
Unfortunately, there are no pics of it...Quote
Originally posted by: pap64
The way I see it, its Melee Zelda with Twilight Princess makeup. Same with Link.
According to the update, this was a cutting room floor version of Sheik from Twilight Princess...
In the Pikmin games whenever it was close to nightfall you and your Pikmin had to rush back to the ship. Any Pikmin left behind would get killed by monsters.
As for TP Sheik, maybe at one point they wanted Midna and Link to meet Sheik first, then near the end of the game finally meet Zelda.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 15, 2008, 06:32:38 PM
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Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Sheik doesn?t appear in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, but we based her model on a design that was drafted up during the development of that game.
What exactly is the argument here? That Zelda doesn't turn into an actual man? Because that much is obvious...However, the disguise is male...That much is known from Ocarina of Time and the very definition of the word "sheik"...
In fact, I believe even NOA is confused on the issue considering there is no gender-classification in the Japanese translation...
Post by: anubis6789 on January 15, 2008, 06:41:54 PM
Why could they not just call it Crystal Flash, because that is pretty much what it is, instead of "Power Suit Samus"?
Post by: Dasmos on January 15, 2008, 06:45:46 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on January 15, 2008, 06:46:29 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 15, 2008, 08:03:29 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 15, 2008, 08:31:04 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on January 15, 2008, 09:27:59 PM
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Originally posted by: insanolord
So does the fact that the profiles include the movesets mean anything? It seems like something that should have been there from the start, is there any significance to him putting them there now?
Maybe it means this is the final starting roster; that would be my best guess.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 15, 2008, 11:59:50 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 16, 2008, 12:08:35 AM
Look at the character model, you and tell it is Zelda's hair wrapped up. You can even tell in the model that she probably has breasts. Possibly wrapped up ala Shakespeare in Love but still.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 16, 2008, 12:32:51 AM
Post by: mantidor on January 16, 2008, 02:09:31 AM
It would've been cooler a cloaked Zelda from TP (it even had the sheikah symbol and everything) instead of Sheik now that I think about it, but I'll live, and the sheik model looks great.
Post by: stevey on January 16, 2008, 02:36:14 AM
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Interesting but not suprising. Sheik is better than Tetra, right?
Hell no, Tetra would have been awesome. Attacking with a pirate sword, bombs, cannons is infinitively better than sheik and her move set
Post by: nickmitch on January 16, 2008, 03:16:09 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
The update didn't have the usual humor the dojo has, and the lack of a "new challenger aproaching!" made me believe at first Sheik was an assist trophy.
Well, the "Warning Challenger Approaching!" thingy is only for new comers, so Sheik not having it makes sense.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 16, 2008, 03:54:51 AM
If you were doing that with the last thread, then I'm sorry I missed it, and wish I had checked more often.
I might of actually kept up to date with all the updates had I known.
Post by: Caterkiller on January 16, 2008, 05:16:40 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on January 16, 2008, 05:27:44 AM
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Originally posted by: insanolord
So does the fact that the profiles include the movesets mean anything? It seems like something that should have been there from the start, is there any significance to him putting them there now?
They couldn't put them up until Zelda's down-B was confirmed, I assume.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 16, 2008, 05:28:44 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I'm just posting to applaud Bill on his efforts with the updates to the OP.
If you were doing that with the last thread, then I'm sorry I missed it, and wish I had checked more often.
No problem, that's why it's there...It's nice to have in case you don't feel like searching through the entire Dojo for a specific update...
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller
Seems when ever we get a delay, we get a nice character to calm us(you) down. Im not sure if we settled this a while ago, but I believe Yoshis mid air down special is to ride someones back. In 3 photos he is the only one i've seen do that. But in any of the vidoes has anyone notice him do his Yoshi Bomb from mid air?If not then I think im on to something.
Around 4:30 in this video, you can see Yoshi just drop onto Mario's head without using the Yoshi Bomb...
Post by: nickmitch on January 16, 2008, 05:33:37 AM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHannQuote
Originally posted by: insanolord
So does the fact that the profiles include the movesets mean anything? It seems like something that should have been there from the start, is there any significance to him putting them there now?
They couldn't put them up until Zelda's down-B was confirmed, I assume.
I'm honestly hoping that those little tables are there so that when new characters come out there won't be extra updates for move sets. There's also the fact that not all of the characters' moves were posted on the site, even some characters had moves missing, and all the moves were in Famitsu apparently.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 16, 2008, 06:43:00 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 16, 2008, 06:49:01 AM
Next Week = FALCON WEEK!!!
Post by: IceCold on January 16, 2008, 11:31:59 AM
QuoteI loved Tetra
Sheik is better than Tetra, right?
Also, LOL at stevey's infinitively. That's my new favourite word
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 16, 2008, 01:10:42 PM
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New commercial.
Olimar flies up in his ship at the end and bulborbs attack the stage.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 16, 2008, 01:15:44 PM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on January 16, 2008, 02:06:50 PM
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Around 4:30 in this video, you can see Yoshi just drop onto Mario's head without using the Yoshi Bomb...
I'd guess we're looking at the footstool jump in action.
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 16, 2008, 02:13:15 PM
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Post by: Darkheart on January 16, 2008, 05:59:48 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 16, 2008, 06:10:18 PM
It looks like guaranteed, unavoidable damage. True, no kills, but still, a lot of FSes don't offer kills, either.
Post by: Mario on January 16, 2008, 06:24:42 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 16, 2008, 06:29:40 PM
But we have yet to see Sonic's stage and poor Zelda doesn't even have her moveset up! And she's been in the site for months now!
Post by: nickmitch on January 16, 2008, 06:40:05 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 16, 2008, 06:42:30 PM
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Lame, looks like they don't care about Stock matches.
My thoughts exactly.
This is the first guaranteed FS I've seen yet and this gives Olimar a serious edge in stock matches.
Maybe there's some way to avoid it or the damage is minimal or something.
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 16, 2008, 06:53:04 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on January 16, 2008, 07:04:28 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 16, 2008, 07:06:12 PM
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What's a stock match?
Isn't it limited number of lives?
Post by: IceCold on January 16, 2008, 07:20:26 PM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on January 17, 2008, 07:32:36 AM
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all i ever play is stock matches, and who called Olimar's final smash? I looked for it and couldn't find it.
Pap, myself and IceCold all called his FS.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 17, 2008, 07:58:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I don't really see a situation you wouldn't just go to Olimars and Snakes.
Giga Bowser PWNS them both.
Post by: Ceric on January 17, 2008, 09:48:47 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Ceric
I don't really see a situation you wouldn't just go to Olimars and Snakes.
Giga Bowser PWNS them both.
Forgot about Giga.
Post by: wandering on January 17, 2008, 04:46:19 PM
....oh wait, this is the Smash Bros. Dojo update thread, not the Check Mii Out Channel thread. My mistake.
Post by: anubis6789 on January 17, 2008, 06:03:25 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 17, 2008, 06:04:50 PM
I wasn't in that group, but I didn't think too much of them either. This, though, is really cool, and a great way to increase the replay value of the Adventure mode.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 17, 2008, 06:06:55 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 17, 2008, 06:11:25 PM
I love it!
Post by: anubis6789 on January 17, 2008, 06:11:32 PM
EDIT: Did anyone notice that the smash symbol on the difficulty select; I like how they add lines for higher levels and how it actually seems that "hard" is default.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 17, 2008, 06:13:11 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 17, 2008, 06:15:10 PM
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I wonder if it is possible to get multiples of rare stickers, like the ones you get off the challenge grid (assuming that there are ones you get off the challenge grid, because all I saw in that update was trophies and music), because it would suck to loose them and never get them back.
I'm sure you only lose half of the stickers you have collected in your SSE session, not your total collection...
Post by: Robageejammin on January 17, 2008, 06:16:37 PM
These are the kind of updates that I really missed
Post by: anubis6789 on January 17, 2008, 06:19:28 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
I wonder if it is possible to get multiples of rare stickers, like the ones you get off the challenge grid (assuming that there are ones you get off the challenge grid, because all I saw in that update was trophies and music), because it would suck to loose them and never get them back.
I'm sure you only lose half of the stickers you have collected in your SSE session, not your total collection...
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Once you peel off a sticker you applied, you lose it for good! So take care when you lay down your stickers.
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So while removed stickers are gone forever, you?ll be getting stickers left and right as you play?you?ll probably find that sticker you lost again. And, if you only use stickers you have doubles of, you?ll never lose one from your collection.
These comments are what I was talking about. I had already assumed what you said about losing half when you see the game over screen.
EDIT: The more I move the idea around in my head the more I believe there will not be any stickers that you can only get once. It just would not make sense.
EDIT: Darn you, Bill, you posted while I was editing this
.EDIT: Again!!!
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 17, 2008, 06:21:16 PM
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Plus, as I've said before, the higher you set the difficulty in The Subspace Emissary, the better your chance of running across rare stickers.
I doubt there will be any stickers that you can only get once... =)
(Edit: Bah, don't be making my post look redundant, you fiend!)
Post by: Mario on January 17, 2008, 06:30:34 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 17, 2008, 06:48:20 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
This could just be lame enough to ruin the game. I liked stickers before they were an RPG
Oh come on! You have to give Sakurai and his team credit for taking what could've been a mundane and forgettable collectible gimmick and turning it into a clever gameplay mechanic.
Besides, you'll only use them in adventure mode. Regular Brawl will not have the feature. And it looks as if its balanced enough that it prevents players from overpowering their characters.
At the very least, you should try it out before saying it ruins the game.
Post by: anubis6789 on January 17, 2008, 07:47:36 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
This could just be lame enough to ruin the game. I liked stickers before they were an RPG
I... I... I... I have no words... all I can think of is that there is no arguing in matters of taste... but... I... just cannot comprehend your... your... displeasure... I... have no words...
Post by: Crimm on January 17, 2008, 07:59:41 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789Quote
Originally posted by: Mario
This could just be lame enough to ruin the game. I liked stickers before they were an RPG
I... I... I... I have no words... all I can think of is that there is no arguing in matters of taste... but... I... just cannot comprehend your... your... displeasure... I... have no words...
Oh man, I bet tournyf...olk will hate stickers.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 17, 2008, 08:48:35 PM
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Originally posted by: CrimmQuote
Originally posted by: anubis6789Quote
Originally posted by: Mario
This could just be lame enough to ruin the game. I liked stickers before they were an RPG
I... I... I... I have no words... all I can think of is that there is no arguing in matters of taste... but... I... just cannot comprehend your... your... displeasure... I... have no words...
Oh man, I bet tournyf...olk will hate stickers.
No they won't, this can only be done in adventure mode, it has nothing to do with tournaments.
Post by: Darkheart on January 18, 2008, 12:41:00 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on January 18, 2008, 12:52:54 AM
Now I wonder if the "regular" trophies have any secrets left up their sleeve.
Post by: Ceric on January 18, 2008, 01:47:51 AM
Post by: mantidor on January 18, 2008, 03:21:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
This could just be lame enough to ruin the game. I liked stickers before they were an RPG
Finally someone with me, I love math, but I hate it in games. RPGs and their mechanics are terrible. Somehow the only one which manages to not make it incredibly annoying and boring are the paper mario games. At least theres the option to put them randomly and not being bothered by it.
Also, Olimar FS dissapointed but was expected, I want to see how much pikmins can the wii handle in a single screen, maybe there will be some sort of event or something, hopefully.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 18, 2008, 03:34:29 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 18, 2008, 03:43:02 AM
It's the armor jewels from Diablo!!! And I mean an EXACT rip off, too, right down to the limited space and non-stackable effects...
Post by: Louieturkey on January 18, 2008, 04:07:45 AM
Post by: Ceric on January 18, 2008, 04:08:15 AM
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HAHAHA!
It's the armor jewels from Diablo!!! And I mean an EXACT rip off, too, right down to the limited space and non-stackable effects...
SSE Diablo Clone Confirmed. Grind and loot with friends.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 18, 2008, 04:41:49 AM
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Post by: anubis6789 on January 18, 2008, 04:56:36 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 18, 2008, 04:57:54 AM
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You technically do not have to either use or collect the stickers.
I think you are correct, I have a feeling the mode will be beatable without stickers but they give you an "edge" if you wish to use them, kind of like Madden cards in the Madden series.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 18, 2008, 05:36:58 AM
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It reminds me of the capsules in DBZ games. I'm actually a little disappointed by this. I wanted the adventure mode to be a pure test of skill. The stickers not only introduce the possibility that the mode is balanced for these upgrades, but they also introduce a grinding for loot aspect.
I agree.
I doubt I'm going to be using stickers because I want this to be all about teh skillz.
But I'm guessing they added this in so casual types could have something to fall back on if they can't hack it.
Post by: Robageejammin on January 18, 2008, 05:57:01 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 18, 2008, 06:38:13 AM
~ Some trophies will appear as Assist Trophies if you gain them
~ A boss in Subspace Emissary is from the Fire Emblem series. He does not fight but he summons monsters.
~ Boss rush mode after clearing Subspace Emissary.
~ You will need 240 hours to clear Subspace Emissary with every character available. [Bill: What? I'm thinking some slight exaggeration here, but to hear it's a lot is nice to know...Of course, there is the possibility that you can replay specific stages with every character after you've beaten SSE...]
~ Bowser, King Dedede and Wario also appear as bosses in the Subspace Emissary mode...They are being mind controlled
~ If you have a save data of SSBM you will get special trophies, BGM etc.
~ Same with Super Mario Galaxy and some other Wii games. [Bill: I've heard that you get Mario Galaxy music for having Mario Galaxy save data!]
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 18, 2008, 07:08:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Some new info from Ruliweb...Some minor story/character elements involved, so I'll spoiler them just in case...
~ Some trophies will appear as Assist Trophies if you gain them
~ A boss in Subspace Emissary is from the Fire Emblem series. He does not fight but he summons monsters.
~ Boss rush mode after clearing Subspace Emissary.
~ You will need 240 hours to clear Subspace Emissary with every character available. [Bill: What? I'm thinking some slight exaggeration here, but to hear it's a lot is nice to know...Of course, there is the possibility that you can replay specific stages with every character after you've beaten SSE...]
~ Bowser, King Dedede and Wario also appear as bosses in the Subspace Emissary mode...They are being mind controlled
~ If you have a save data of SSBM you will get special trophies, BGM etc.
~ Same with Super Mario Galaxy and some other Wii games. [Bill: I've heard that you get Mario Galaxy music for having Mario Galaxy save data!]
All of this new info and STILL no tid bits on secret characters? Screw Famitsu...
As for the sticker power up I don't care what everyone else thinks. I don't care if it was inspired by WoW, Final Fantasy, Diablo or someone's mother or if it adds or takes away from the game. I still have to give Sakurai nods for creating a collectible which is actually worth my time.
I mean, even Sakurai looked like kinda unimpressed when he introduced the stickers a few months ago. They are essentially pieces of recycled and old artwork turned into a collectible. So the fact that they added an extra to them is admirable and I am surprised that no one else has noticed that.
People bitched that the stickers were a dumb collectible, now that they are actually worth a damn it takes away from the game?
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 18, 2008, 07:30:02 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 18, 2008, 07:34:15 AM
Post by: Robageejammin on January 18, 2008, 07:43:09 AM
lets make a habit of it if possble
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 18, 2008, 07:43:34 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo made the publications sign NDAs regarding the secret characters until at least after the game is released.
Sadly, that might be the case. But still, it would be silly to make a detailed strategy guide for a fighter and avoid how to unlock secret characters.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 18, 2008, 07:43:44 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64 Sadly, that might be the case. But still, it would be silly to make a detailed strategy guide for a fighter and avoid how to unlock secret characters.
I'm frankly stunned it hasn't been leaked yet.
Last time, we had the full roster 20 days before Melee launched in Japan (no one wanted to believe it because it sucked ass, but still, we had it).
There must be a crapton of review copies of Brawl and whatnot. I can't imagine how the list hasn't been leaked yet...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 18, 2008, 07:59:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Friends don't let friends use stickers.
F*ck you, SB. I don't tell you how to live your life so don't tell how to live mine!
Now that we got the angst out of the way, it IS surprising that the secret characters haven't even been hinted at.
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 18, 2008, 08:03:31 AM
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~ Same with Super Mario Galaxy and some other Wii games. [Bill: I've heard that you get Mario Galaxy music for having Mario Galaxy save data!]
Oh yeah, there's a megaton right there. With music from Mario Galaxy in the game, Brawl will without a doubt have the greatest videogame sountrack ever, BY FAR.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 18, 2008, 08:04:14 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 18, 2008, 08:08:20 AM
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Hey, with all the fake rosters flying around, perhaps one of them is the real deal? =)
Ninja Jajamaru confirmed for Brawl.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 18, 2008, 08:14:40 AM
Have you found any more lists besides the two you posted on the megaton thread, Bill?
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 18, 2008, 08:19:12 AM
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F*ck you, SB. I don't tell you how to live your life so don't tell how to live mine!
I would SLAM YOUR HAND IN A CAR DOOR to keep you from using stickers. Count on it.
I'm hoping for a full roster leak any day now.
I want to know if I should be happy or pissed.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 18, 2008, 08:21:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I would SLAM YOUR HAND IN A CAR DOOR to keep you from using stickers. Count on it.
Aaaaaww you DO care
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 18, 2008, 08:36:41 AM
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You know that "predict the final roster" thread I made? We should also compile all the lists and see which one was right on the money?
Have you found any more lists besides the two you posted on the megaton thread, Bill?
I have, but many of them have been discounted because the prophets said other things that have been proven to be false...I'll see what I can dig up later...
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 18, 2008, 08:44:34 AM
Seems believable to me...
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 18, 2008, 08:56:51 AM
NyaseNya
~ In: Mr. Game & Watch, Ness, Wind Waker Link
~ Out: Megaman
One_Step
~ In: Mr. Game & Watch, Marth, Lucario, Krystal, Wind Waker Link, AC Villager, Geno, Paper Mario, Unknown Wario franchise character, Wolf, Sukapon
UltimateX64
~ In: Ganondorf, Lucario, Geno, Bowser Jr.
~ Out: Ness, Mewtwo, Ridley, Wolf, Sukapon, King K. Rool
And even then they each have quirks I find odd...We can only wait for someone to be kind and take some pics of their review copy! ='D
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 18, 2008, 09:00:26 AM
It's impossible to separate the truth from the attention whores.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 18, 2008, 09:30:04 AM
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Someone speculated that Nintendo hired a small army of trolls to go post fake rosters so even if the real one was leaked, no one would believe the leaker.
Seems believable to me...
Well, it ain't that surprising, considering companies have sent shills and spambots to advertise their products. So who's to say Nintendo hasn't sent trolls just so people can speculate and further fan the hype.
Post by: King of Twitch on January 18, 2008, 09:57:30 AM
Post by: mantidor on January 18, 2008, 10:10:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
~ If you have a save data of SSBM you will get special trophies, BGM etc.
~ Same with Super Mario Galaxy and some other Wii games. [Bill: I've heard that you get Mario Galaxy music for having Mario Galaxy save data!]
SMG save data I understand, but not the SSBM data, the wii has access to the GC memory card? I thought it didn't...
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 18, 2008, 10:12:21 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 18, 2008, 10:26:43 AM
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 18, 2008, 11:30:59 AM
On the roster subject, I've seen about 20 fake rosters "leaked" to Smashboards in the last 2 weeks.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 18, 2008, 11:34:49 AM
Post by: Sessha on January 18, 2008, 01:05:31 PM
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Yeah, but most of them are hilariously bad, like the ones I've seen that think that Fox, Falco, Wolf, and Krystal will all be playable...Sorry, but there will not be four representatives for the Star Fox franchise...
Of course not Bill, your forgetting Slippy and Peppy, that's more like six
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 18, 2008, 01:15:09 PM
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Post by: Ceric on January 18, 2008, 02:39:21 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 18, 2008, 02:43:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
HAHAHA!
It's the armor jewels from Diablo!!! And I mean an EXACT rip off, too, right down to the limited space and non-stackable effects...
Diablo invented non-stacking stat boosts.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 18, 2008, 04:08:34 PM
~ Cherimu Pokeball
~ Darkrai Pokeball
~ Chansey Pokeball
~ Leafeon Pokeball
~ Adeline (Kirby series) AT
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 19, 2008, 08:49:32 AM
Now 48 characters would be nice and all, but I don't see it happing. If there's 48 characters and the game is still balanced they'd still be working on this until 2009.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 19, 2008, 09:21:40 AM
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Speaking of fake character lists, now there's people reporting that a Japanese newspaper reviewed the game and said there's a total of 48 characters in the game.
Now 48 characters would be nice and all, but I don't see it happing. If there's 48 characters and the game is still balanced they'd still be working on this until 2009.
Yeah, 48 would be overdoing it. Minimum I see 35, maximum 40. Anything beyond that would be silly.
Post by: Sessha on January 19, 2008, 11:50:55 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
The problem is that leakers this time around seem even more conflicting than I recall they were with Melee...Here are the "leaked" partial rosters by the three prophets I'm following right now (the ones that aren't laughably bad):
NyaseNya
~ In: Mr. Game & Watch, Ness, Wind Waker Link
~ Out: Megaman
One_Step
~ In: Mr. Game & Watch, Marth, Lucario, Krystal, Wind Waker Link, AC Villager, Geno, Paper Mario, Unknown Wario franchise character, Wolf, Sukapon
UltimateX64
~ In: Ganondorf, Lucario, Geno, Bowser Jr.
~ Out: Ness, Mewtwo, Ridley, Wolf, Sukapon, King K. Rool
And even then they each have quirks I find odd...We can only wait for someone to be kind and take some pics of their review copy! ='D
You can stop watching One_Step Bill, after the rumor of 48 characters, his roster suddenly ballooned up.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 19, 2008, 11:52:03 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 19, 2008, 12:17:00 PM
Oh, and apparently a fairly-long-time poster at GAF (MarkMan) knows the roster...He claims 35 characters (no more 3rd-party characters from what he implies) and 41 stages...
So if true, this leaves 12 characters and 15 stages to go...
(Further interesting note: 35 characters matches what NyaseNya claimed, and the lack of 3rd party characters matches what she said about Megaman not being in...)
Post by: anubis6789 on January 19, 2008, 12:39:03 PM
As you can see, I put little to no stock into what so called "prophets" have to say. Even if they are right, what does it get them; more credibility for the next game?
Edit: Apparently Marth, Roy, and Ness are not in Brawl, or at least that is what Brawl Central says based on some translated scans (and we all know how good their translation team is).
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 19, 2008, 10:09:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Oh, and apparently a fairly-long-time poster at GAF (MarkMan) knows the roster...He claims 35 characters (no more 3rd-party characters from what he implies) and 41 stages...
So if true, this leaves 12 characters and 15 stages to go...
Well we've talked about the characters in the other thread so I'm going to take a shot at the remaining stages. My guess is that the remaining stages will be.
- A stage for Sonic, F-Zero, Game and Watch and whatever series mystery icon 19 represents.
- A second stage for Zelda, Pokemon, Kirby, and Donkey Kong
- 6 more classic stages
- Some kind of crazy Smash Bros only stage that you'll get after unlocking all the other stages. It would explain why there's 41 stages. When they have an odd number of something to get, the last one is usually something special. Similar to how in Melee they had 51 event matches and the last one was the insane fight against Mewtwo, Ganondorf and f*cking Giga Bowser.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 20, 2008, 04:21:05 AM
~ Green Hill Zone
~ Big Blue (Remake of Melee or new one)
~ Luigi's Mansion
~ Flat Zone II
~ Venom (New)
~ Saffron City (Classic or New)
~ Mushroom Kingdom (New)
~ Mushroom Kingdom III (Super Mario 3)
~ Final Destination
~ New Franchise Character stage (totally hoping for Isaac, so Venus Lighthouse!)
~ Outset Island (avec giant killer pig
.)~ Green Greens (New)
~ Dr. Mario/Panel de Pon (Fighting during a puzzle game of some sort)
~ Donkey Kong Country stage (Jungle Japes again? I'd prefer Gangplank Galleon!)
~ Super Secret Crazy Stage!
Post by: Arbok on January 20, 2008, 06:50:38 AM
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Similar to how in Melee they had 51 event matches and the last one was the insane fight against Mewtwo, Ganondorf and f*cking Giga Bowser.
I loved that event, tis was Jigglypuff's time to shine. I hope there is something similarly daunting as the last event in Brawl.
Post by: that Baby guy on January 20, 2008, 06:52:02 AM
Now I'll bite: Let's take out Ness and we'll take out Mewtwo, as well. Ganondorf, we'll say, is still in.
We've got 25 characters confirmed on the Dojo as of now. Luigi is definitely back in, Jigglypuff is almost certainly back in, Captain Falcon is definitely back in, and so far, the icons suggest Mr. Game-and-Watch returns, too. Add in Ganondorf, and likely Marth, since he is the absolute Fire Emblem staple. Take out Pichu, Mewtwo, Ness, Roy, and Falco. So then, we add the six most-likely returning characters that were unlocks in Melee to our 25 confirmed, and we've got 31. That leaves room for four new secret characters total for Brawl. That number just seems surprisingly low, considering ideas have Krystal, Wolf, Lucario, King K. Rool, perhaps a Koopaling, Kamek, Ridley, and some lesser known characters from NES games, or the FDS. There's no new Zelda character in there, either. And those are just characters that get mentioned a lot that would already share an icon with current characters. Don't forget that we've got at least one new franchise on the way, and don't forget there's a half-decent chance of Falco and Ness to return. Oh, and a possible Animal Crossing character, though the only AC thing we haven't seen is the GCN version's villagers.
I'm just saying that 35 is a horribly limiting roster when you look at how Sakurai likes to reveal characters. It's almost certain that the ones we've seen are the starting roster, that they don't have to be unlocked. After all, with Melee, he unveiled the unlocks after the game was released, and he's said he's worried about Spoilers when the game does come out, too.
Then, I've got a bone to pick with 41 stages. How many stages are in Melee? 29. We already know of 26 in Brawl, and Sakurai said there's more melee stages than what he has announced. So then, that means there's fifteen stages left, included an F-zero stage, a Sonic stage, not to mention, apparently with two characters, there's two new Metroid stages with an oldie returning, and then there's only two new Mario stages, for several more characters.
Honestly, if we imagine 35 characters, we can imagine at least one stage per character, for the most part, right? I mean, sure, there were only two Pokemon stages and four Pokemon, but Kirby had two stages all to himself, when you exclude retro stages. Not to mention, this game isn't as rushed as Melee was, so they probably won't force out of place stages on clones, since it's unlikely that there will be any clones. So if we assume that there will be one stage to a character, we've got 35 stages. Then, add in Pictochat, Battlefield, and Final Destination, and assuming there are no other stages, there's not enough room for the Melee stages! If you'd like to credit the Melee stages as stages that match specific characters, that's fine, we'll just look at Samus: Three stages for two characters. Well, that doesn't match up. What about Fox? Two stages for one character. Remember, there isn't really space for Falco this time with our 35 character limit on the roster. Then you've got Lucas, with two stages to himself. We had to take Ness off, too.
So basically, if there were a unique stage for every character, there are too many stages to match 41 stages. If you want to say that some characters will be paired up with Melee stages, then the characters represented by the stages won't match them at all. And since this game isn't supposed to be a rush job with clones and mis-matched stages, I wouldn't think this is true, anyways.
Basically, my point is that at least his number of characters or his number of stages is off. What we've suspected is returning already fills too many gaps, without the new unannounced things. Sakurai said "...more characters than we can imagine..." and I certainly can imagine ten more characters than what we saw in Melee, in fact, we already have twelve more, so I'll be honest, this 35 character stuff doesn't really cut it with me, and I'm almost certain that each character will have at least one stage to his or her name, too, so 41 is likely too low as well, with the melee stages included.
Of course, I could just be dreaming big, and we could have learned all the secrets in the dojo already, but like I said, as far as we've known, Sakurai doesn't do that, and it's likely that most everything in the Dojo is there from the start, or, at worst, is a random find, like stickers, some trophies, and CDs. 35 is just wrong. 41 is just wrong.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 20, 2008, 07:02:43 AM
If you want to see a realistic character breakdown, check out towards the end of the "Predict the character roster" thread...
Edit: Actually, I'll just breakdown what I said in here...
The obvious ones are:
Captain Falcon
Luigi
Ganondorf
Mr. Game & Watch
The sorta obvious ones are:
Jigglypuff
Marth
Ness
Mewtwo
However, look at the amount of Pokemon we have in the game...Every single one of them is from the first generation of Pokemon...I think one of them will be bumped for a more recent addition, and the most realistic of these is Mewtwo, who could be easily given a big boss role in the SSE to make up for it...This leaves 7, allowing 5 newcomers, 1 of which will be a new franchise...
Most likely newcomers:
Wind Waker Link
Krystal
Lucario
Geno
Ridley
AC Villager
Okay, so we can pick 4 from this motley crew...The first one to be possibly bumped is Ridley, who can be given a big boss role in the SSE...Wind Waker Link seems like a given to me, with his popularity and hold in the Zelda franchise, and he could easily be given a complete move set makeover to make him worthy as a newcomer...Krystal also seems to be a given, considering her being a worthy replacement of the clone, Falco...Lucario also represents the newest generation of Pokemon...This leaves one more, between Geno and AC Villager, and it's a very tough choice...It truly is a toss-up, but who knows what Sakurai's reasoning would be...
Finally, there is the new franchise:
Isaac
Lip
Takamaru
Sukapon
Ray
OTHER
Characters like Wolf, Kamek, Koopa Kid, etc, make no sense really, either due to popularity issues or just the fact that they would be a pointless "clonesque" character (Wolf) that has a much more fitting replacement (Krystal)...35 seems low, but then again you have to think that there appears to be NO CLONES...Taking that into account, it's a jump from 19 unique characters to 35...Yes, people will be disappointed if there really is only 35 characters, but overall this roster can't possibly be any worse than Melee's... =)
Post by: that Baby guy on January 20, 2008, 07:19:30 AM
Imagine that the Dojo never existed. Now imagine we're where we are now, knowing the characters and stages from the demos. If you were to describe the concept behind CD's to me, I'd likely call you a liar and say it's too good to be true. If you were to tell me that the "Adventure" mode is a Kingdom Hearts-ish mish-mesh of several different Nintendo worlds, lasting at least a few hours, I would doubt you very much. If you were to tell me simple modes like the Home Run Contest were two player, I'd be shocked. 2-Player online? Stunned. If you were to tell me that the main Adventure mode were two player, like Kirby's Super Star, I be ecstatic. If you were to mention more events than last time, partly due to 2P events, I couldn't believe it. How about that when a player lags out online, he or she is replaced by a bot. Who would believe that?
There's more. Much more where that came from. Sakurai went all out on this game. Melee was rushed garbage compared to what Brawl will be, and Melee was perhaps the best game on the GameCube. I'm gonna be optimistic, I'm going to dream big, and I'm going to hope for everything I want to be included, because already. more than what I could have asked for is included. I'm convinced that much of the best is yet to come, and no one, not until the game comes out, will convince me otherwise. If I wind up disappointed, then I'll be disappointed. I won't be disappointed.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 20, 2008, 07:26:57 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 20, 2008, 08:07:07 AM
edit: And apart from the look, how would Wind Waker Link avoid being a "clonesque" character?
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 20, 2008, 08:11:07 AM
As for Wind Waker Link, he wouldn't be a "perfect" non-clone, but I'll pull a move list out of my *** for you! ='D
B: Fire/Ice Arrows
Up+B = Deku Leaf (In the air it's a recovery that can be used to attack...On the ground it'd work the same way as it does in the game, to blow opponents away)
Down+B = Iron Boots (Used in the air, it can be used to hurt enemies below you and can be used to keep your ground, but basically restricts your movement)
Over+B = Megaton Hammer (a powerful, but slow to activate, attack)
Grab = Grappling Hook
Final Smash = Hurricane Spin
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 20, 2008, 08:38:52 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on January 20, 2008, 08:54:21 AM
I wonder if Paper Mario might show up as well. His attacks could use his hammer and his various partners from the series.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 20, 2008, 09:42:19 AM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
Edit: Apparently Marth, Roy, and Ness are not in Brawl, or at least that is what Brawl Central says based on some translated scans (and we all know how good their translation team is).
I just read their translations and the thing is that they are ASSUMING that they won't return because Famitsu is talking about them as if they were a thing of the past (remember Ness? Yeah, he was cool...).
As for the rumored final number, 35 DOES seem disappointing, especially in an era where fighters can have up to 100 characters at a time, but at the same time its a realistic number. I'll be REALLY surprised if Sakurai and his team managed to create more than that.
They DO say that the game will have an unprecedented number of characters, but it could all be developer hype or they could be talking about how the final roster will feature an unprecedented number of characters for a Super Smash Bros. game.
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 20, 2008, 11:05:23 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
As for the rumored final number, 35 DOES seem disappointing, especially in an era where fighters can have up to 100 characters at a time, but at the same time its a realistic number. I'll be REALLY surprised if Sakurai and his team managed to create more than that.
And all those fighting games with 100 characters are extremely unbalanced and broken like crazy. Not to mention the reason they have so many characters is because they just keep piling them on from previous games. Marvel vs Capcom 2 had over 50 characters because the majority of them were thrown in from previous installments. The same with Capcom vs SNK 2 with close to 50 characters as well. Morgans outdated mid 90's sprite makes this extremely obvious.
Smash Bros on the other hand actually updates all it's characters. We don't see Link walking around with his Melee model or Donkey Kong's blocky N64 model in Brawl. And so when Sakurai updates all the returning characters, this alone takes a lot of time. Then there's the fact that making unique characters is also very hard and time consuming.
Melee as we all know was only able to make 7 (8 counting Sheik) new and unique characters while the other 6 had to be clones. Brawl on the other hand already has 11 (14 if you count Zero Suit Samus and all of Pokemon Trainers Pokemon) new and unique characters. So even if Brawl is only able to have 4 new characters, the game would still already have over twice as many new characters then Melee did.
The last and most major fact is balance. Making the characters is the easy part while balancing them is the hardest. This is why fighting games that are rushed end up unbalanced. It takes a lot of time to make sure all the characters are balanced out, and the more characters you have, the more time is required to balance them out.
So when everyone looks at everything it takes to create new and unique characters as well as update all the veterans and makes sure they're all balanced well, 35 characters in the final roaster is a very justified number.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 20, 2008, 12:57:33 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 20, 2008, 01:05:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Luigi DudeQuote
Originally posted by: pap64
As for the rumored final number, 35 DOES seem disappointing, especially in an era where fighters can have up to 100 characters at a time, but at the same time its a realistic number. I'll be REALLY surprised if Sakurai and his team managed to create more than that.
And all those fighting games with 100 characters are extremely unbalanced and broken like crazy. Not to mention the reason they have so many characters is because they just keep piling them on from previous games. Marvel vs Capcom 2 had over 50 characters because the majority of them were thrown in from previous installments. The same with Capcom vs SNK 2 with close to 50 characters as well. Morgans outdated mid 90's sprite makes this extremely obvious.
Smash Bros on the other hand actually updates all it's characters. We don't see Link walking around with his Melee model or Donkey Kong's blocky N64 model in Brawl. And so when Sakurai updates all the returning characters, this alone takes a lot of time. Then there's the fact that making unique characters is also very hard and time consuming.
Melee as we all know was only able to make 7 (8 counting Sheik) new and unique characters while the other 6 had to be clones. Brawl on the other hand already has 11 (14 if you count Zero Suit Samus and all of Pokemon Trainers Pokemon) new and unique characters. So even if Brawl is only able to have 4 new characters, the game would still already have over twice as many new characters then Melee did.
The last and most major fact is balance. Making the characters is the easy part while balancing them is the hardest. This is why fighting games that are rushed end up unbalanced. It takes a lot of time to make sure all the characters are balanced out, and the more characters you have, the more time is required to balance them out.
So when everyone looks at everything it takes to create new and unique characters as well as update all the veterans and makes sure they're all balanced well, 35 characters in the final roaster is a very justified number.
I agree completely with you. Like S_B said just now, I rather have a small number of unique characters than 40 or more that are either broken or clones.
I simply bring it up because I KNOW there will be some fanboys who will bitch at the low number of characters and say something like "I don't care if half of the roster are clones, I wanted more than 30!".
Not to mention that each character now has an unique FS attack which takes a lot of time to create and balance.
Doing that 40+ times can be painful and time consuming.
Post by: Adrock on January 20, 2008, 01:16:44 PM
It took a few years for Melee to get old. What made the game fun again after that, for me anyway, was playing against someone I've never played against before, so WiFi support basically makes Brawl almost infinite replay value. I'm not too concerned with the character roster or the stage list (especially with the stage editor) because the real fun will be had online which hopefully Nintendo will have running smoothly by the time the game comes out.
Post by: that Baby guy on January 20, 2008, 03:18:44 PM
If you want evidence, take a look at the video I'll edit on to this post in a few minutes. At about 4:20 into it, there's stickers, and if you pause the video at the right time, you can see the above characters' faces.
Here we go: http://wii.com/jp/movies/smashbros-movie1/
We've all probably seen this trailer before, but look at the bottom right corner during the stickers, and pause the video on every sticker for the proof.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 20, 2008, 05:24:36 PM
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4:20
TEEHEE
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 20, 2008, 06:18:44 PM
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 20, 2008, 06:25:10 PM
Post by: nickmitch on January 20, 2008, 06:32:03 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on January 20, 2008, 06:41:45 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: anubis6789
Edit: Apparently Marth, Roy, and Ness are not in Brawl, or at least that is what Brawl Central says based on some translated scans (and we all know how good their translation team is).
I just read their translations and the thing is that they are ASSUMING that they won't return because Famitsu is talking about them as if they were a thing of the past (remember Ness? Yeah, he was cool...).
My comment inside the parentheses was meant to be sarcastic in reference to their reveal of Sheik through the falsely translated Coro Coro scans. I find it very funny (in a somewhat ironic sense) that a day after they assumed that Ness is out based on the translation of another scan, evidence comes out that may point to him still being in. Their credibility is really taking a beating.
I would not count Mewtwo out just yet, it would be a logical fallacy to assume that he is gone based on the fact that he does not appear along with the rest of the Pokemon characters when the sticker may simply not pertain or be usable on him.
Post by: Shecky on January 21, 2008, 01:47:21 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 21, 2008, 01:52:56 AM
Post by: ThePerm on January 21, 2008, 04:40:52 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 21, 2008, 04:50:49 AM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
too bad zelda doesnt call upon the sages...
That would've kicked ass...
Post by: EasyCure on January 21, 2008, 05:39:00 AM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
too bad zelda doesnt call upon the sages...
She'll call upon the Sages to make her a little rainbow bridge out of the arena and into the kitchen where girls belong! right fellas?
bad joke
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 21, 2008, 06:12:07 AM
"Iron my shirt!!! Iron my Shirt!!!"
Post by: EasyCure on January 21, 2008, 08:07:30 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Easycure: What the hell!?! Don't you mean:
"Iron my shirt!!! Iron my Shirt!!!"
(since im not the only one with tasteless humour appearantly..)
Zelda's new down+B move should be the Filatio attack[/spoier]
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 21, 2008, 08:09:03 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 21, 2008, 08:20:37 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 21, 2008, 08:23:40 AM
Back on topic, the subtle differences between Zelda and Sheik's version of the Light Arrow is pretty neat...It doesn't really say if you can transform after getting the Smash Ball, but I'm sure you can...
I also wouldn't guarantee the arrow going through the solid objects of a stage, as in the screenshot it only goes through a platform...
Post by: nickmitch on January 21, 2008, 09:04:31 AM
Post by: Stogi on January 21, 2008, 09:34:04 AM
Post by: stevey on January 21, 2008, 06:08:51 PM
Finally an original Pokeball!
+ Iwata ask with Sakurai!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 21, 2008, 06:20:33 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 21, 2008, 06:22:10 PM
Post by: Caterkiller on January 21, 2008, 06:58:39 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 21, 2008, 07:29:39 PM
Post by: EasyCure on January 22, 2008, 01:49:40 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
You know, Spak and Easycure, you guys are not funny.
well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me princess!
actually i know that wasnt funny. i was bored out of my mind here at work yesterday and it was amusing for about 5 seconds after i hit 'post'.
oh well
Post by: Louieturkey on January 22, 2008, 04:13:07 AM
Post by: nickmitch on January 22, 2008, 06:09:33 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on January 22, 2008, 06:13:43 PM
Post by: Gylldas on January 22, 2008, 06:18:09 PM
World 1-2...from the looks of it I can already hear cursing and yelling...
Post by: ShyGuy on January 22, 2008, 06:21:53 PM
Post by: Caterkiller on January 22, 2008, 06:25:14 PM
This song is so nice to me... its worth as much as a character on the roster in my book.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 22, 2008, 06:36:57 PM
This missing gap in the one screen has me a tad worried, though, so I hope not every hole is filled in!
Post by: nickmitch on January 22, 2008, 07:41:18 PM
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The kingdom you once knew has turned to ruins over the long years, and it is now your battlefield.
This is almost saddening.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 22, 2008, 07:48:14 PM
Post by: Mikintosh on January 22, 2008, 08:03:48 PM
Post by: Stogi on January 23, 2008, 12:38:04 AM
Yes, please!
Post by: Ceric on January 23, 2008, 12:53:41 AM
Post by: Robageejammin on January 23, 2008, 01:10:23 AM
And while I'm taking pics, not to worry Bill. Its the next set of those blocks that has the gap, not the one in the dojo pic (at least thats the one I think you're talking about)
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 23, 2008, 01:24:38 AM
Post by: Louieturkey on January 23, 2008, 03:17:31 AM
That music just made me happy. I am really hoping for a 10 cd box set for a soundtrack on this game. There is so much music and only getting 1 minute long cuts of the songs just won't be enough. We need at least 3 minutes of each song I think.
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 23, 2008, 03:21:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Louieturkey
That music just made me happy. I am really hoping for a 10 cd box set for a soundtrack on this game. There is so much music and only getting 1 minute long cuts of the songs just won't be enough. We need at least 3 minutes of each song I think.
Agreed, the music in this game is so fantastic and only getting short bursts of songs is not good enough. 10 CD Box set is a definite purchase for me if it ever comes to light.
The stage is fantastic. Very awesome to see them take true cannon material and update and reinvent it as a stage to brawl in. I can't wait to see every inch of this game.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 23, 2008, 04:30:40 AM
I think Motoi Sakuraba's version of the theme would fit quite well...Have a listen...
Post by: Smoke39 on January 23, 2008, 05:17:41 AM
Post by: vudu on January 23, 2008, 06:16:09 AM
I will never accept a world with such bright colors! It is far too childish! Hear my words: I will rage against your cheery palette with my last breath!
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 23, 2008, 06:31:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I think Motoi Sakuraba's version of the theme would fit quite well...Have a listen...
YES!
I always imagined what a darker Mario game would look like with that as the background.
You're right: it would've been awesome, nay perfect.
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 23, 2008, 06:42:25 AM
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Originally posted by: Mr. JackQuote
Originally posted by: Louieturkey
That music just made me happy. I am really hoping for a 10 cd box set for a soundtrack on this game. There is so much music and only getting 1 minute long cuts of the songs just won't be enough. We need at least 3 minutes of each song I think.
Agreed, the music in this game is so fantastic and only getting short bursts of songs is not good enough. 10 CD Box set is a definite purchase for me if it ever comes to light.
The music is actually the thing right now I'm looking forward to the most. With all the rumor topics about characters and stages all I want to know is how many songs are in the game and which songs they are. My personal prediction is around 200 which is easily possible since right now we already have close to 60 different songs confirmed for the game through the site updates, My Music images and from people playing the demo's at E for All and those recent Japanese ones as well. The way things are going I could even see the game having more then 200 tracks.
I can't wait until the Japanese release next week because I'm sure somebody will start uploading the music right away. Listening to all the music is what will help make the wait until March 9th much easier.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 23, 2008, 08:06:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi DudeQuote
Originally posted by: Mr. JackQuote
Originally posted by: Louieturkey
That music just made me happy. I am really hoping for a 10 cd box set for a soundtrack on this game. There is so much music and only getting 1 minute long cuts of the songs just won't be enough. We need at least 3 minutes of each song I think.
Agreed, the music in this game is so fantastic and only getting short bursts of songs is not good enough. 10 CD Box set is a definite purchase for me if it ever comes to light.
The music is actually the thing right now I'm looking forward to the most. With all the rumor topics about characters and stages all I want to know is how many songs are in the game and which songs they are. My personal prediction is around 200 which is easily possible since right now we already have close to 60 different songs confirmed for the game through the site updates, My Music images and from people playing the demo's at E for All and those recent Japanese ones as well. The way things are going I could even see the game having more then 200 tracks.
I can't wait until the Japanese release next week because I'm sure somebody will start uploading the music right away. Listening to all the music is what will help make the wait until March 9th much easier.
Actually, you are not the only one that wants to know how many songs are in the game. I just want to know the final number of EVERYTHING in Brawl, songs included. I want to know many songs they were able to remix and how many non-remix songs exist in the game.
I want to know because technically the Brawl team CAN make tons of collectibles, stages, characters and music, especially since they have a BIG storage medium to work with. The question is, will they want to?
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 23, 2008, 08:23:28 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on January 23, 2008, 08:27:58 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 23, 2008, 08:52:00 AM
I've always wondered what was that stage, and I think this was it.
The stage also reminds me of a NSMB stage, but maybe that's because of the perspective.
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 23, 2008, 08:57:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Well we have 38 musicians, and Sakurai said that they were each asked to make remixes of *several* of their favorite themes...So we could have anywhere from 80 to 120 remixes...Then just stick the original tracks on top of that and you have an absolutely mind-blowing amount of music...
Here's the list of who done how many songs for the site so far.
Shogo Sakai - 5 (Technically he's only done 4 songs for Brawl so far since Porkey's Theme was actually taken directly from a Mother 3 remixed soundtrack so it wasn't composed originally for Brawl like the other songs on the site.)
Yusuke Takahama - 2
Masafumi Takada - 1
Michiko Naruke - 1
Kenji Ito - 1
Keigo Ozaki - 1
Kenichi Okuma - 1
Akihiro Honda - 1
Tomoko Sasaki - 1
Noriyuki Iwadare - 1
Hip Tanaka - 1
Toshiyuki Sudo - 1
Jun Senoue - 1
Yasunori Mitsuda - 1
Koji Kondo - 1
So out of a list of 38 different composers that we know of we've only heard 15 of them compose so far. This means we've only gotten a small taste of what's to come.
Plus if anyone is wondering why Shogo Sakai has done so many songs it's because he was also the main composer of Melee's soundtrack. Because of that I'm sure Sakurai is allowing him to do a lot of songs for Brawl.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 23, 2008, 09:05:02 AM
Taken from Jun Senoue's Sonic CD recently released in Japan!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 23, 2008, 10:09:05 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 23, 2008, 12:59:22 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
The first full track from Brawl has been released! And...it's the Angel Island remix!?
Taken from Jun Senoue's Sonic CD recently released in Japan!
Just one more week, just one more week.
Finally hearing the full length version of a song just shows amazing the music in this game truly is. Hell this games soundtrack alone would easily be worth $50. Actually considering all the music that will be in this game and all the CD's it would require to have the full thing, the soundtrack to this game alone would probably cost over $100.
And I'd easily pay every penny for it.
Oh and I wonder if this CD might be a hint at other music that could end up in Brawl. Here's the full list of songs from this latest CD for anyone that's interested.
01. LIVE & LEARN
02. IT DOESN'T MATTER (SA2 Version)
03. ESCAPE FROM THE CITY
04. HIS WORLD
05. SUPER SONIC RACING
06. SONIC - YOU CAN DO ANYTHING (from Japanese version of Sonic CD)
07. SONIC BOOM
08. SONIC SPEED RIDERS
09. RACE TO WIN
10 SONIC DRIVE
11. RIGHT THERE, RIDE ON
12. SONIC HEROES
13 WHAT I'M MADE OF...
14. SEVEN RINGS IN HAND
15. HIS WORLD (Zebrahead Version)
16 IT DOESN'T MATTER (SA1 Version)
17. OPEN YOUR HEART
- Bonus Tracks -
18 A NEW VENTURE (Surfin' S.R.A. Remix)
19. ANGEL ISLAND ZONE (SSBB Remix)
20. SEVEN RINGS IN HAND (Crush 40 Version)
21 OPEN YOUR HEART (Crush 40 vs. Bentley Jones Remix)
Post by: Mikintosh on January 23, 2008, 01:31:31 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 23, 2008, 01:40:56 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 23, 2008, 06:21:11 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 23, 2008, 06:26:16 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 23, 2008, 06:26:34 PM
Its an online match between Nintendo Tokyo and Kyoto. Its basically to show us how an online match would look like.
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 23, 2008, 06:33:34 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 23, 2008, 06:33:56 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 23, 2008, 06:34:09 PM
Man does Brawl look beautiful!
Its so silky smooth it makes Melee look like crap.
However, I do wonder if the framerate speed dropped to it being an online battle.
Post by: GeneralTraag on January 23, 2008, 06:34:28 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 23, 2008, 06:35:10 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 23, 2008, 06:35:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
This update would have been sweeter if I hadn't found and watched the 6 minutes of video that spilled itself onto 2ch...
Which one? The 5 minutes of Brawl or something brand new?
Post by: ShyGuy on January 23, 2008, 06:41:17 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on January 23, 2008, 07:27:04 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Yeah the stages are AMAZING for the most part, I just hope I'm not getting distracted by all the neat stuff going on in the background while fighting. Anyway this is a question I'm not has been answered, do we yet know if you can have a friend be playing with you at home and both of you can get into a wi-fi match either co-op or free for all with 2 other online players?
Well, this commercial does show what appears to be two sets of two people playing online from one console. I do find the commercial's veracity questionable though, because it does not seem that it is a direct advertisement for the game itself, but for some sort of online service from a company other Nintendo.
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 23, 2008, 07:27:55 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 23, 2008, 11:09:26 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
This update would have been sweeter if I hadn't found and watched the 6 minutes of video that spilled itself onto 2ch...
Which one? The 5 minutes of Brawl or something brand new?
The 5 minute video plus the 1 minute CM that came before it...
Post by: Grant10k on January 23, 2008, 11:26:35 PM
1. There is a timer on the "The winner is..." screen. That means you won't have to hunt down that one player that took his wavebird into the room where everyone else is playing WoW after he lost early and make him press start so the rest of you can play a new game.
2. The 16-bit Life Question is over. Mario is apparently better than Sonic. (by about 2 points)
3. Samus is hot.
4. Mario is an idiot, he ran directly into a bumper 3 times. Almost killed him.
5. Samus's final smash is bigger than it looks (by at least a foot).
Post by: Ceric on January 24, 2008, 01:31:00 AM
Anyone else notice that the Smashball came out but it was pretty much ignored?
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 24, 2008, 01:54:43 AM
PS: Damn Mario was terrible in that match, how the hell did he win!?
Post by: EasyCure on January 24, 2008, 01:59:00 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 24, 2008, 02:14:25 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on January 24, 2008, 02:27:31 AM
Post by: Louieturkey on January 24, 2008, 03:03:04 AM
Post by: Grant10k on January 24, 2008, 04:49:40 AM
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I will be taking this with a grain of salt. Mostly because the average internet connection in Japan is vastly faster then here in the States or most anywhere else.
The bandwidth doesn't matter. The internet in Japan is just as fast as everywhere else, you just get more of it at once.
Some games track hundreds of items at once. 4 players and a handful of items is fairly trivial if you have a better connection than dial up. Low speed DSL is probably fine. It's distance that really starts to get you, and even then I'm sure you can play across the US just fine as long neither end of the connection is downloading with bittorrent or anything.
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 24, 2008, 05:38:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Grant10kQuote
Originally posted by: Ceric
I will be taking this with a grain of salt. Mostly because the average internet connection in Japan is vastly faster then here in the States or most anywhere else.
The bandwidth doesn't matter. The internet in Japan is just as fast as everywhere else, you just get more of it at once.
Some games track hundreds of items at once. 4 players and a handful of items is fairly trivial if you have a better connection than dial up. Low speed DSL is probably fine. It's distance that really starts to get you, and even then I'm sure you can play across the US just fine as long neither end of the connection is downloading with bittorrent or anything.
The bandwidth absolutely DOES matter. During busier times there are alot more packets traveling through the network and as a result you often see slowdown due to flooded down and up streams. Japan having a more consistent, high bandwidth network will allow for packets to travel without the risk of flooding, which will ruin the fluidity of the gameplay. The fact that Smash doesn't transfer tons of data per packet is irrelevant. The data they are working with is being sent out and received rapid fire. If the packets are coming in slowly it is going to make the game stutter quite a bit because the packets dictating the players actions aren't coming in quickly enough. It is very possible that the US won't see the same performance as Japan due to the network in the US being more flooded than it is in Japan.
Post by: Robageejammin on January 24, 2008, 05:48:49 AM
Oh also I like Link's new older voice. Actually its just nice to see that the Melee voices aren't all being dumped on Brawl. They just better make sure they actually have Luigi's nasal voice this time instead of a slightly higher pitched Mario like Melee had.
Post by: mantidor on January 24, 2008, 02:58:09 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 24, 2008, 03:18:26 PM
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bah I just wish all that effort into putting the game online was used in adding more content to the game, at least I won't have to stand the internet whining about the lack of online.
Um...
1. We have an expanded and actually cool adventure mode
2. We have a crapload of stuff to collect
3. The collectibles are actually worth collecting (stickers will offer you power ups while chances are some of the collectible trophies will also be ATs)
4. We will have a very large selection of songs (even if you don't fancy all of them the effort put into the soundtrack is astounding to say the least)
5. Counting the classic stages Brawl will have a large amount of stages to play in
6. We have a stage editor you can send to friends and get new ones from Nintendo
7. The ability to take a picture will always be present and should make for hilarity
8. Not only are all of the classic Melee modes returning (classic, home run, targets and multi man) many of them will have online play
9. Even if the number of characters end at 35 the characters included are far more creative and unique than Melee's roster
10. We have a far more inventive way of getting trophies and stickers this time around
The only thing left to know is how many characters there will be in the final game. If its above 35 then Brawl will clearly be the biggest Nintendo game yet.
You say that as if Brawl is going to be bare bones release like the original was.
Post by: Shecky on January 24, 2008, 04:01:49 PM
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broken balance confirmed?
The score was 1, 0, 0, -1.... how is that "broken?"
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 24, 2008, 04:31:10 PM
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Oh god, gotta love Sonic with the "YOU'RE TOOO SLOOOWW!!" taunt. I'm gonna be spamming that like crazy
Oh also I like Link's new older voice. Actually its just nice to see that the Melee voices aren't all being dumped on Brawl. They just better make sure they actually have Luigi's nasal voice this time instead of a slightly higher pitched Mario like Melee had.
Agreed. It's nice to hear the all new voice work- even Peach's "ha-cha" shout when she bumps you with her hips in a new recording. So good.
Post by: stevey on January 24, 2008, 06:07:00 PM
Post by: Arbok on January 24, 2008, 06:09:02 PM
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oh my god!
Yeah, this was an update out of left field... but looks to be reason number #79 why Brawl will likely never be ejected from my Wii all year. Wonder how long the trails last for... I think I could get my fill of Ice Climbers pretty quickly.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 24, 2008, 06:23:57 PM
"If you take a liking to one of the trial versions, you can always buy the full game through the Shop Channel! You might even find a couple titles that divert your attention from Brawl for a while."
Sigh...another week of no characters.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 24, 2008, 06:28:04 PM
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They're not free...
"If you take a liking to one of the trial versions, you can always buy the full game through the Shop Channel! You might even find a couple titles that divert your attention from Brawl for a while."
Sigh...another week of no characters.
Yeah, this isn't a very good update, it is something that should have been implemented into VC a year ago, DEMOS.
Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on January 24, 2008, 06:30:35 PM
Ice Climbers (NES)
Legend Of Zelda (NES)
Kid Icarus (NES)
Kirby's Adventure (NES)
Super Metroid (SNES)
Lylat Wars (N64)
Those are the demos shown on the US Dojo. However, the Japanese site has two more titles listed:
Fire Emblem (SNES)
Mother 2 (SNES)
Hopefully, the content will be the same in both versions of the game.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 24, 2008, 06:31:56 PM
Fire Emblem isn't too surprising, but they also get Earthbound! I actually hope that the US gets all the same demos as the Japanese version, even if it means they have to do a translation of FE to release it here. They should be doing that anyway!
Man, this was a weird update.
Post by: stevey on January 24, 2008, 06:32:39 PM
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Just remember, there are some NES classics in there as demos, so expect some of the time limits on those games to be so short that all you can do is laugh at how hard they are.
Why else would Super Metroid save slots or zelda be in at all?
Post by: nickmitch on January 24, 2008, 06:33:19 PM
But this is like, WTF? I might actually never use this. It's cool and all, but. . .I don't even know the words.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 24, 2008, 06:35:16 PM
Post by: nickmitch on January 24, 2008, 06:36:44 PM
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That’s right, for the first time ever, you can play trial versions of these games by the miracle of Virtual Console!
Post by: stevey on January 24, 2008, 06:39:56 PM
Fanboys: WTF am I going to do with free games, have fun? I hate you!
Sakurai: *run off into a corner!*
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 24, 2008, 06:48:45 PM
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They're not free...
"If you take a liking to one of the trial versions, you can always buy the full game through the Shop Channel! You might even find a couple titles that divert your attention from Brawl for a while."
Sigh...another week of no characters.
Frankly, I am SHOCKED that some people fail to see the brilliancy of this mode.
In all honesty, I think this is a very clever and smart marketing idea. I mean, I'm sure some gamers have played SSB or Melee, seen a character and said "You know? I missed that character's game. I never played it" or have looked at an obscure character and wondered 'Where the hell did he or she came from?" and then got the hankering to discover the game. This eases up that problem, even if they have to pay for it.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo used this as way to see which games get the most downloads due to Brawl having them as demos and see if the interest is big enough to either bring Japan only games to the US (like Mother 1 and Mother 3) or consider making a full blown sequel (like a new Kid Icarus game).
Not only that, this is paying a lot of respect towards the games that made the SSB Brawlers popular and a MUCH better honor than a trophy with a short description or a sticker.
Again, I fail to see how some people would dismiss this.
As for no characters this week, after seeing the leaked starting roster I expected there wouldn't be anymore character updates till after launch.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 24, 2008, 07:06:59 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 24, 2008, 07:16:25 PM
Like I said, this will encourage people beyond hardcore Nintendo fans to actually notice the characters and dig out the game. Obscure games now have the chance to be featured.
If Nintendo fails to do this they have dropped the ball on what is perhaps the best marketing move I have seen in ages.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 24, 2008, 07:38:14 PM
I think it's kind of a neat idea, but if they limit it to games already on VC, it just feels less like a Smash Bros thing.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 24, 2008, 07:46:11 PM
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Yeah, I'm a bit disappointed that it seems to be VC-centric rather than character-centric. It'd be cooler if it seemed like there was the possibility of seeing demos of games not available on the VC, or the games themselves, for the sake of history. Anything from Game & Watch to Mother 3...
One thing I am worried about is that some of the characters' debuts were on the original Gameboy.
For example, the Pokemon Trainer and Pikachu made their debut in Pokemon Red, Blue, Green and Yellow. The VC service has yet to include GB games. How will their handle that?
Then there's Wario. We have two versions of Wario; the platformer antagonist and the greedy game developer. Which game will they choose to represent Wario? Not only that, like Pikachu and PT his debut was on the GB. Worst of all, what about characters who are basically villains and sidekicks in their games? Diddy is lucky because he has DKC 2, Peach and Luigi both have Super Mario Bros. 2, but poor Bowser gets nothing.
Not only that, will they include games beyond the characters' debut games, like Super Mario Bros. 2, 3 and World?
OK, I admit that Nintendo's incompetence might ruin what could be an awesome idea so here's hoping they actually planned this well.
If its well done, I stand what I said about it. If not, I will deem it the biggest opportunity loss in history.
Post by: Mikintosh on January 24, 2008, 08:09:38 PM
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Sakurai: I went though a lot of trouble but here are some free games!
Fanboys: WTF am I going to do with free games, have fun? I hate you!
Sakurai: *run off into a corner!*
Seriously! The number of people who are looking a gift horse in the mouth here is tremendous. And people expecting free games to go with their existing game is ridiculous (even Animal Crossing DS didn't have that, and apparently the GCN version spoiled you guys forever), though I'd imagine if Mr. Game & Watch is back (which isn't even confirmed), then they wouldn't part & parcel that.
It is odd that they wouldn't mention Mother 2 on the non-Japanese sites, as unlike Fire Emblem, that got an international release. I'll keep my fingers crossed for a Japanese translation of that, but it probably won't happen unless they've had in the works. But demoing the Game Boy games aren't ridiculous, especially as this is connected to the VC in name only (Sakurai said it was offline, remember), and didn't I hear they were thinking of doing a VC-type service down the line with the DS, or was that just chatter?
Finally, I don't think every character gets their own game. What would Zelda have, that CD-I "masterpiece"?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 24, 2008, 08:35:07 PM
For example, in the Metroid screen we see Samus fighting RIDLEY.
In the Starfox 64 screen we see Falco's picture indicating that he's been hit and says "Oh man, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BACK OFF!"
So there you have it: Ridley's in, Falco's out :p .
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 24, 2008, 08:53:50 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64Not only that, will they include games beyond the characters' debut games, like Super Mario Bros. 2, 3 and World?
Yoshi's debut game is Super Mario World... =3 (Yeah, I know they might use Yoshi's Island instead...)
I just like the idea of trying to get as far as possible on the short demo time limit...
Post by: Robageejammin on January 24, 2008, 09:39:17 PM
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 24, 2008, 11:09:30 PM
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On another topic, I'm surprised that for sh*ts and giggles no one has analyzed the meaning behind some of the games and screens shown.
For example, in the Metroid screen we see Samus fighting RIDLEY.
In the Starfox 64 screen we see Falco's picture indicating that he's been hit and says "Oh man, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BACK OFF!"
So there you have it: Ridley's in, Falco's out :p .
I was going to say the same thing. Ridley is there for a reason. If not a playable character, then he's a SSE boss.
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Post by: Louieturkey on January 25, 2008, 03:38:03 AM
I love the fact that they are giving me demos. I'd never try Balloon Fight or a few others if they didn't. Maybe I'll like them enough to buy the full VC game. Here's hoping this is a sign that Earthbound is coming to the VC in the US. I will buy that and 0 & 2 if they ever show up as well.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on January 25, 2008, 03:41:37 AM
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On another topic, I'm surprised that for sh*ts and giggles no one has analyzed the meaning behind some of the games and screens shown.
For example, in the Metroid screen we see Samus fighting RIDLEY.
In the Starfox 64 screen we see Falco's picture indicating that he's been hit and says "Oh man, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BACK OFF!"
So there you have it: Ridley's in, Falco's out :p .
I don't know if I'd go that far, but I did note that Lucas isn't in Mother 2, but Ness is. I also laughed at Super Metroid being chosen over the original Metroid. Sakurai doesn't think the original is a masterpiece, either.
Edit: I just noticed the screenshots of Ice Climber, Zelda, and Star Fox 64 are different on the Japanese site, too. That's weird.
Post by: EasyCure on January 25, 2008, 04:01:32 AM
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Post by: MaryJane on January 25, 2008, 04:28:02 AM
If Nintendo doesn't make this game able to download updates via WiiWare I will be supremely ticked off, they've seriously thought of everything else, why not the potentially best feature of the game besides the battles themselves?
Post by: Adrock on January 25, 2008, 04:59:14 AM
And those older games were extremely small by today's standards so demos would be even smaller. I don't think disc space is an issue.
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MaryJane wrote:
If Nintendo doesn't make this game able to download updates via WiiWare I will be supremely ticked off, they've seriously thought of everything else, why not the potentially best feature of the game besides the battles themselves?
Adding characters seems to make the most sense in this case, but it would also potentially cause problems since not everyone wants to pay money for extra content. For example, let's say Midna is downloadable. How would we play online with the extra content if I don't have Midna on my Wii? Downloadable Events and stages are possibilities yet the same problems may apply.
In any case, I'm not a fan of downloadable updates, patches or content. Make the game right the first time and stop trying to squeeze more money out of me!
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 25, 2008, 05:55:18 AM
I love it so much.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 25, 2008, 06:32:02 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
On another topic, I'm surprised that for sh*ts and giggles no one has analyzed the meaning behind some of the games and screens shown.
For example, in the Metroid screen we see Samus fighting RIDLEY.
In the Starfox 64 screen we see Falco's picture indicating that he's been hit and says "Oh man, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BACK OFF!"
So there you have it: Ridley's in, Falco's out :p .
I don't know if I'd go that far, but I did note that Lucas isn't in Mother 2, but Ness is. I also laughed at Super Metroid being chosen over the original Metroid. Sakurai doesn't think the original is a masterpiece, either.
Edit: I just noticed the screenshots of Ice Climber, Zelda, and Star Fox 64 are different on the Japanese site, too. That's weird.
I was kidding, though. I was making fun of how people are so desperate for new info that they'll look at the screens and try to find a meaning behind them.
Speaking of the Japanese site, there are some blurbs about Mother 2. Anyone have any idea what Sakurai could be saying?
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 25, 2008, 06:44:44 AM
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That?s right, for the first time ever, you can play trial versions of these games by the miracle of Virtual Console!
That?s what Masterpieces is! Here you can relive the greatest battles of the biggest star characters through demo versions of their games.
These are demos. DEMOS, as in "samples intended to persuade you to purchase the full product". Nothing more. It's not like Animal Crossing where you got 6 retro NES games for free which could be downloaded to your GBA (some of them).
This is a feature the online VC should've had from the start. It's neat for the history aspect, but this is a thinly-veiled advertisement for VC downloads.
The only plus side I can see to this is that it would allow for Takamaru and Sukapon in the game and have their games translated for the US release so people know who they are.
And a downloadable EBA demo for the DS would be awesome...
Post by: Crimm on January 25, 2008, 07:00:28 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 25, 2008, 07:22:40 AM
We NEED this on the VC, though.
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Post by: MaryJane on January 25, 2008, 07:36:20 AM
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In any case, I'm not a fan of downloadable updates, patches or content. Make the game right the first time and stop trying to squeeze more money out of me!
Squeezing money out of you by say... making a sequel with updated roster and stages and charging $50? Besides as of yet, no system has seen a SMB sequel, this would allow that tradition to continue. And not to insult but your point about people not buying the same updates is moot because this game is full of unlockables which not everyone is going to get at the same time, and the myriad of games which have dealt with the same issue on XBL say it can be overcome.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 25, 2008, 07:52:01 AM
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Speaking of the Japanese site, there are some blurbs about Mother 2. Anyone have any idea what Sakurai could be saying?
It basically says, "There may be some chance that Mother 2 is not yet being sold.....It may be released soon, so I recommend waiting patiently!"
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Sakurai, don't you dare get my hopes up...
Post by: vudu on January 25, 2008, 07:54:32 AM
QuoteYou mean this one? It doesn't really say. Although the use of singular opponent instead of plural opponents is a little unsettling.
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I seem to remember the first online update confirming four...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 25, 2008, 08:39:50 AM
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Speaking of the Japanese site, there are some blurbs about Mother 2. Anyone have any idea what Sakurai could be saying?
It basically says, "There may be some chance that Mother 2 is not yet being sold.....It may be released soon, so I recommend waiting patiently!"
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Sakurai, don't you dare get my hopes up...
So, he's basically saying that there may be demos for games that Nintendo has yet to release on the VC... This is both good and bad. Good because it means we can still get demos even if they are not on the VC. Bad because the point of all of this is to get people to buy the games right after trying them out. Once again, I hope Nintendo delivers on this aspect.
Post by: Mikintosh on January 25, 2008, 08:57:11 AM
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Speaking of the Japanese site, there are some blurbs about Mother 2. Anyone have any idea what Sakurai could be saying?
It basically says, "There may be some chance that Mother 2 is not yet being sold.....It may be released soon, so I recommend waiting patiently!"
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Sakurai, don't you dare get my hopes up...
So, he's basically saying that there may be demos for games that Nintendo has yet to release on the VC... This is both good and bad. Good because it means we can still get demos even if they are not on the VC. Bad because the point of all of this is to get people to buy the games right after trying them out. Once again, I hope Nintendo delivers on this aspect.
I thought the point of them being in Brawl specifically was so they would provide background for the characters; remember, it's not connected to the Wi-Fi Connection, so this isn't only a pitch to online consumers.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 25, 2008, 09:47:31 AM
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So, he's basically saying that there may be demos for games that Nintendo has yet to release on the VC... This is both good and bad. Good because it means we can still get demos even if they are not on the VC. Bad because the point of all of this is to get people to buy the games right after trying them out. Once again, I hope Nintendo delivers on this aspect.
The problem is that the Mother 2 bit was completely removed from the U.S. page, for seemingly no reason at all...The game was released here before, what's the big deal?...Why NOA has a bitter hatred for all things Mother, I do not know... >=|
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 25, 2008, 09:51:36 AM
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Originally posted by: MikintoshI thought the point of them being in Brawl specifically was so they would provide background for the characters; remember, it's not connected to the Wi-Fi Connection, so this isn't only a pitch to online consumers.
I've always seen the whole SSB series as both a tribute to Nintendo and is creative geniuses and as a walking advertisement for Nintendo products. This new feature solidifies that fact even further. Its great that we get to see the characters in their original games, but lets not deny that this is also a marketing push towards more VC sales.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 25, 2008, 11:01:01 AM
Post by: JonLeung on January 25, 2008, 11:49:53 AM
It'll be good for the people who are either too ignorant/casual/young to know about various characters. I think more games should have some history section. (I have this (admittedly arrogant) thing about gamers who missed out on the pre-3D generations. It's like, hello? There were six games before FF VII! There were pre-Solid Metal Gear games (though I do recall now that MGS DOES have a history section...), etc.)
I think it would be cool if you had to collect cartridges like how you have to collect trophies and music CDs. I like collecting. Must be OCD or something.
Post by: MaryJane on January 25, 2008, 04:42:34 PM
Also, perhaps the delay will allow Nintendo to update the VC roster to keep up with the games demos. It's a far better reason than my personal hope (and of many others I'm sure) that the delay will allow it to coincide with the release original content on the WiiWare channel, which of course would include updating games and of the external HDD.
I would love if it was SSD if for no other reason than to one up Sony and MS both of whom's computer divisions will be pushing this product elsewhere, but man it would be expensive! Although it would be a good jumpstart on getting them mass produced and the initial cost may drop in light of demand if it does release with SMB which is undoubtedly going to sell insanely well everywhere, and thus increase demand for the drive SSD's in general and we may see them appearing in more consumer devices sooner than expected, but I digress.
Just in case; SSD is a Solid State Disc, it's basically a really big flash drive, so it's a whole lot faster, uses a whole lot less power (cuz it doesnt need to spin), is quieter(see reason for less power), and is infintely more durable. I think right now the biggest SSD you can buy is 64GB so they've got a way to go on development, but for a non-entertainment center doubling console a smaller 2 - 8GB drive (that works with existing drive in the Wii instead of the way SD cards do). That actually makes me think that instead of going through all that trouble they could just allow us to use a USB flash drive in the same fashion, they could even sell Wii branded ones, or for the sake of not transfering games and such make Wii-only drives, but perhaps just make a write-protection software embedded into the files, like DRM, instead of how memory cards used to be console specific in the old days.
Post by: Adrock on January 25, 2008, 04:44:38 PM
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Squeezing money out of you by say... making a sequel with updated roster and stages and charging $50?
You act like they only added characters and stages. Brawl is everything Melee was, should have been, and then some. If I didn't think so, I wouldn't pay $50 for it. Repackaging Melee with WiFi support would have been a different story. In any case, I've always purchased a game with the intention of only paying for the price of entry. Things like patches and downloadable content just make me think that the developer didn't bother making the game right when it went gold. Sure, patches are free (normally, right?), but it'll be a sad day when Nintendo releases patches for one of their games. So much for their development philosophy......
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And not to insult but your point about people not buying the same updates is moot because this game is full of unlockables which not everyone is going to get at the same time
How so? Even if someone didn't unlock something, the data is still on his/her game disc. I'd more inclined to believe this wouldn't be a problem if Nintendo's online service was anywhere near as robust as Xbox Live. Yeah, I went there.
Post by: Mikintosh on January 25, 2008, 09:06:28 PM
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In any case, I'm not a fan of downloadable updates, patches or content. Make the game right the first time and stop trying to squeeze more money out of me!
Squeezing money out of you by say... making a sequel with updated roster and stages and charging $50? Besides as of yet, no system has seen a SMB sequel, this would allow that tradition to continue. And not to insult but your point about people not buying the same updates is moot because this game is full of unlockables which not everyone is going to get at the same time, and the myriad of games which have dealt with the same issue on XBL say it can be overcome.
I swear, you people will not stop until Nintendo actually includes a $50 bill in each copy, because...why not? They can do that too! Why aren't they doing that?! Honestly, I'm old enough to remember to endless Street Fighter II releases that added a couple new characters at a time, and people ate that stuff up. Now, with Smash Bros. they're basically overhauling the whole game, with all new stages, at least a dozen new fighters, and a new story mode, and now you say they're ripping you off? Lord Almighty. If Nintendo didn't think it was a big enough change from Melee, it wouldn't still be keeping the older game on the shelves, as it's Wii-compatible, you know.
That said, you're right; any unlockables make the playing field uneven, so I think people who don't want to be spoiled will have to stay offline if it's that important.
Post by: mantidor on January 26, 2008, 06:16:53 AM
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I'd guess that it was a compromise... I can picture Sakurai wanting to put full free games in there and Nintendo saying "Um... no."
I agree, but I understand Nintendo since the virtual console is already there with fairly priced not really games. Charging $30 for Metroid for the GBA was a travesty specially because Prime+Fusion and Zero Mission had it unlockable, but this was the obvious thing to do. More than likely you will be able to unlock even more things into this timed demos because at this point I think we can expect anything.
What I really want now is the willpower to stay off the internet until the game is released, at least have a blackout for anything related to Smash, isn't there a support group somewhere? it seems so impossible
Post by: Robageejammin on January 26, 2008, 07:26:00 AM
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What I really want now is the willpower to stay off the internet until the game is released, at least have a blackout for anything related to Smash, isn't there a support group somewhere? it seems so impossible
I know what you mean. I set out from the start that I was going to avoid all spoilers etc but I recently realized that it wouldn't be a good idea. Think about it, if you wait until the game comes out to see all the features, characters etc, you would only be hyping it up like crazy. If the game comes out and you are the least bit underwhelmed, you'll kick yourself for waiting and building it up so long.....at least thats what I figure.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 26, 2008, 08:54:16 AM
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Nintendo should give some sort of discount and if you are good at the demo and advance a lot under the time limit or kill the boss without any hit they should just give you away the game or at least for half the wii points or something.
YES! I was thinking the same thing too! Since you already bought Brawl they should give people a VC discount on selected games when you buy them through Smash Bros. Brawl. Of course, it will be a limited time offer so it expires a couple of months after release.
Post by: Mikintosh on January 26, 2008, 09:55:41 AM
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Nintendo should give some sort of discount and if you are good at the demo and advance a lot under the time limit or kill the boss without any hit they should just give you away the game or at least for half the wii points or something.
Yeah, because Nintendo would love to get less money from people who are really good at video games, and are likely their biggest consumers. And since when does buying one game entitle you to another for free? Did you guys have to put down a kidney or something with your pre-order?
Post by: MaryJane on January 26, 2008, 02:40:08 PM
Post by: Mikintosh on January 27, 2008, 03:19:55 PM
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you guys totally missed my point about the $50 thing. I was just saying instead of releasing a sequel on the same console which they have never done, they can just give us cheaper updates, or updates that add up to $50 except you have the choice of what you want to add to the game. You would also of course have the choice to never update and continue playing the game in it's original version, just be prepared to be potentially pwnd online. That's all I was saying, and hey give Nintendo a chance, we're all aware that Nintendo is woefully late to the online party, so let's see what they'll do with the WiiWare service in terms of "robustness".
But keep in mind that Sakurai's moving on from Brawl after it gets released (he's not a Nintendo employee after all), and I doubt they'd release updates made without his supervision. All I'm saying is, try to be satisfied with the shipped product.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 27, 2008, 06:32:16 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 27, 2008, 06:33:14 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 27, 2008, 06:37:05 PM
I hate to act like a fanboy, but are they hinting something?
Also, I'll be pissed if they don't get trophies at the very least...
As for the update, pretty blah. Although, it might hint that this is going to be it for extra modes and to not expect anymore surprises.
Post by: Mikintosh on January 27, 2008, 07:09:24 PM
Also we get an idea of how long these Masterpiece demos last; Ice Climber's only 40 seconds. Also, it looks like each franchise only gets one, as Super Mario Bros. is nestled in between everything else, though who knows how many you can unlock, or even if you can.
Post by: NuclearSpeed on January 27, 2008, 07:11:46 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 27, 2008, 07:33:53 PM
I know I said that the update might indicate that this is going to be it for features, but look at the trophies and stickers menu screenshot. There is enough space for one more option...
This could mean that there is one mode left to discover or that the artists are terrible at making menu screens...
Also, am I the only one happy to see an Excite truck trophy? Hope its also an AT...
Post by: Shecky on January 28, 2008, 12:19:37 AM
Post by: Ceric on January 28, 2008, 12:41:11 AM
Post by: MaryJane on January 28, 2008, 06:40:21 AM
I've been worried since the first delay, about what kind of updates Sakurai would be posting (he and his had to have had a timeline set out for the original release date in terms of what they wanted to put out), so between now and the games release expect more "blah" updates. This is a massive games, but it will be interesting to see how the updates deal with 2 extra months.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 28, 2008, 08:16:20 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
The only thing worth noting is that both this update and the new sticker video on the interview show us EBA stickers...
I hate to act like a fanboy, but are they hinting something?
Also, I'll be pissed if they don't get trophies at the very least...
As for the update, pretty blah. Although, it might hint that this is going to be it for extra modes and to not expect anymore surprises.
What from EBA shows up in the sticker video? I looked but didn't see one. I did see Morris on the blog, though. I think it's cool that they're stickers, so they can give groove-related stat boosts.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 28, 2008, 08:43:16 AM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHannQuote
Originally posted by: pap64
The only thing worth noting is that both this update and the new sticker video on the interview show us EBA stickers...
I hate to act like a fanboy, but are they hinting something?
Also, I'll be pissed if they don't get trophies at the very least...
As for the update, pretty blah. Although, it might hint that this is going to be it for extra modes and to not expect anymore surprises.
What from EBA shows up in the sticker video? I looked but didn't see one. I did see Morris on the blog, though. I think it's cool that they're stickers, so they can give groove-related stat boosts.
They show up in the Japanese version of the video. The player scrolls through the Agent J sticker and uses a Kahn sticker on the base.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 28, 2008, 09:12:42 AM
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"The top menu contains six different modes, but I?ve decided to introduce the finer points of each mode one by one."
If Sakurai spends the last four updates before the game's launch TALKING ABOUT THE F*CKING OPTIONS MENU, then I think we can safely say that he's trying to REDUCE hype for the game to avoid more people complaining about not getting a copy of Brawl when it releases in Japan...
If Sakurai doesn't drop at least one final "MEGATOOOOOOOOOOONNN!" on the blog before launch, then he's wasted a golden opportunity.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 28, 2008, 09:17:43 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
They show up in the Japanese version of the video. The player scrolls through the Agent J sticker and uses a Kahn sticker on the base.
Oh, cool. Thanks.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 28, 2008, 09:49:27 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Oh dear, I just noticed this...Quote
"The top menu contains six different modes, but I?ve decided to introduce the finer points of each mode one by one."
If Sakurai spends the last four updates before the game's launch TALKING ABOUT THE F*CKING OPTIONS MENU, then I think we can safely say that he's trying to REDUCE hype for the game to avoid more people complaining about not getting a copy of Brawl when it releases in Japan...
If Sakurai doesn't drop at least one final "MEGATOOOOOOOOOOONNN!" on the blog before launch, then he's wasted a golden opportunity.
We already had an options menu update...So 2 down, 4 more to go...
At this rate, though, it won't matter. Hopefully, when sites get their import copy we get far more valuable information than anything Sakurai dishes out on the blog.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 28, 2008, 07:50:58 PM
What really sucked is that the one night I didn't bother staying up to see the update (because the updates were sucking so badly lately), Sonic was announced.
Since the updates range from "absolutely epic" to "widescreen, LOL!", I feel perfectly justified in preferring he update once a week or at random when he had something substantial to show us.
It also would've made it so, in the event of a delay, he didn't have to pull out garbage updates for the sake of stalling for time.
Post by: stevey on January 28, 2008, 08:06:52 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 28, 2008, 08:10:00 PM
Brawl has so much crap in it that I wouldn't be surprised if it was larger than two Animal Crossing towns.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 28, 2008, 12:39:10 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 28, 2008, 06:10:01 PM
Nice to know many new songs are included, but the update was blah...
Post by: Sessha on January 28, 2008, 06:15:33 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on January 28, 2008, 07:03:43 PM
Post by: IceCold on January 28, 2008, 07:38:07 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 28, 2008, 08:30:52 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
I don't know most of these composer's names, am I supposed to be impressed?
Yes, yes you should! Go back to start, do not pass Go until you learn them!
An absolutely mindblowing amount of music, and this is before you actually collect anything!
Post by: Dasmos on January 28, 2008, 09:00:40 PM
Post by: silverwings07 on January 28, 2008, 11:44:44 PM
Again, not sure if that means anything or not.
Post by: Ceric on January 29, 2008, 01:04:56 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 29, 2008, 04:10:25 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 29, 2008, 01:40:42 PM
All I have to say is F*CK YEAH. Brawls music is godly on so many levels it's just amazing how Sakurai and Nintendo were able to make something like this, it's just amazing. The Kirby Adventure Medley makes me want to cry tears of joy at how beatiful it is.
Oh and the update on the site was also Megaton worthy to me for these reasons.
Ashley's Song WarioWare: Touched!
Ashley's Song (JP) Sawaru Meido in Wario
Mona Pizza's Song WarioWare: Twisted!
Mona Pizza's Song (JP) Mawaru Meido in Wario
Ai no Uta
My one worry was that NOA would remove any songs with Japanese lyrics but it turns out not only are they leaving the songs in, but they're also allowing us to CHOOSE between listening to the Japanese or English versions of songs.
Smash Bros Brawl soundtrack = an orgy in my ears.
Post by: Gylldas on January 29, 2008, 02:31:29 PM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Also the full version of the Fire Emblem Theme, Gourmet Race, Ocarina of Time's Hyrule Field, a Kirby Boss remix, the Halbard and a Kirby Adventure Medley has been released. Anyone that want can download the file here. Of course for some reason the Kirby Adventure Medley file is called Kirby 64 Medley, even though none of the music in it is from Kirby 64 and it's all from Adventure.
All I have to say is F*CK YEAH. Brawls music is godly on so many levels it's just amazing how Sakurai and Nintendo were able to make something like this, it's just amazing. The Kirby Adventure Medley makes me want to cry tears of joy at how beatiful it is.
Oh and the update on the site was also Megaton worthy to me for these reasons.
Ashley's Song WarioWare: Touched!
Ashley's Song (JP) Sawaru Meido in Wario
Mona Pizza's Song WarioWare: Twisted!
Mona Pizza's Song (JP) Mawaru Meido in Wario
Ai no Uta
My one worry was that NOA would remove any songs with Japanese lyrics but it turns out not only are they leaving the songs in, but they're also allowing us to CHOOSE between listening to the Japanese or English versions of songs.
Smash Bros Brawl soundtrack = an orgy in my ears.
Dude!! All of that music is awesome!! I'm glad that they took the time to update the Hyrule Field theme with better samples as I originally thought they would just copy the N64 theme exactly as it was. This soundtrack is going to be amazing! Thanks for whetting my appetite a bit Bill and Luigi Dude.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 29, 2008, 02:33:09 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Oh dear, I just noticed this...Quote
"The top menu contains six different modes, but I?ve decided to introduce the finer points of each mode one by one."
If Sakurai spends the last four updates before the game's launch TALKING ABOUT THE F*CKING OPTIONS MENU, then I think we can safely say that he's trying to REDUCE hype for the game to avoid more people complaining about not getting a copy of Brawl when it releases in Japan...
If Sakurai doesn't drop at least one final "MEGATOOOOOOOOOOONNN!" on the blog before launch, then he's wasted a golden opportunity.
He already went through them one by one in that update. That's what he meant.
Post by: stevey on January 29, 2008, 06:31:44 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on January 29, 2008, 07:03:17 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on January 29, 2008, 07:04:23 PM
Post by: EasyCure on January 29, 2008, 11:54:50 PM
it takes away the slight surprise from the initial fight. i would of prefered the "hold b" method
Post by: Shecky on January 30, 2008, 12:08:16 AM
Post by: MLS_man_64 on January 30, 2008, 03:26:57 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 30, 2008, 04:16:03 AM
Post by: MaryJane on January 30, 2008, 05:03:00 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 30, 2008, 05:06:44 AM
Post by: MaryJane on January 30, 2008, 06:49:13 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 30, 2008, 01:43:16 PM
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Originally posted by: MaryJane
hate to be a doubter, but how do you know that? link please?
Because someone got their hands on the game early and already unlocked all the characters?
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 30, 2008, 04:46:49 PM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHann
Is Smash_Brother going to die?
Of course.
I'm not getting any younger.
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Originally posted by: Shecky
S_B has no right to complain about anything posted on the Dojo as he aggressively digs up information independently. It's like asking a magician to entertain you when you've done research on every trick he knows.
I know all of Copperfield's tricks and how they're done, yet his presentation and showmanship make it an interesting spectacle regardless.
That said, if Sakurai released an update with all of the characters revealed, I'd praise it as a good update because it's substantial.
Post by: Mikintosh on January 30, 2008, 04:54:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherThat said, if Sakurai released an update with all of the characters revealed, I'd praise it as a good update because it's substantial.
But the game still isn't out yet...
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 30, 2008, 06:10:52 PM
Post by: Caterkiller on January 30, 2008, 06:24:11 PM
Its going to be interesting seeing him talk his way out of it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 30, 2008, 06:25:12 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 30, 2008, 06:29:52 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Oh nice, noticed that you CAN unlock Stage Builder parts!
Really? Awesome.
Post by: Plugabugz on January 30, 2008, 09:21:37 PM
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Europe has an even longer wait until the game releases.
About time someone said that in plain english about a game Nintendo makes. It's even more somewhat disappointing Australia didn't even get a mention...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 30, 2008, 10:36:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Yep, around 11 I believe...
...111?1?
Is that true? Know the link that confirms that?
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 31, 2008, 10:38:38 AM
A warning to all of those who dislike spoilers/stages you don't know about yet! The FIRST SONGS IN MY MUSIC update has been updated to include the F-Zero stage...
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on January 31, 2008, 10:57:32 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on January 31, 2008, 08:18:16 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Reread that... =)
A warning to all of those who dislike spoilers/stages you don't know about yet! The FIRST SONGS IN MY MUSIC update has been updated to include the F-Zero stage...
Ha! In the "predict the daily update" thread, I predicted that the F-Zero stage would be officially announced before Captain Falcon. I'd link to the post if the search feature would find it.
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 31, 2008, 10:47:32 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Reread that... =)
A warning to all of those who dislike spoilers/stages you don't know about yet! The FIRST SONGS IN MY MUSIC update has been updated to include the F-Zero stage...
Climb Up! And Get The Last Chance! - F-Zero X
F*CK YEAH, F*CK YEAH, F*CK YEAH
WIN WIN EPIC F*CKING WIN
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 31, 2008, 10:55:19 AM
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Originally posted by: PartyBear
On behalf of anyone else who, like me, wants to avoid as many spoilers as possible, I ask that you all keep your spoilers in this Smash Bros. forum, which I will be avoiding from now on. Thank you.
Um, If you played Melee then Brawl's been spoiled for you already :P .
Post by: JonLeung on January 31, 2008, 12:48:54 PM
All right! DEFLICKER! Can't wait to toggle that baby!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 31, 2008, 06:19:04 PM
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 31, 2008, 06:24:50 PM
Post by: Gylldas on January 31, 2008, 06:45:58 PM
• Play five matches in Brawl
• Reflect 10 projectiles
• Get Ness to join your party in The Subspace Emissary
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 31, 2008, 07:01:58 PM
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 31, 2008, 07:05:13 PM
Post by: stevey on January 31, 2008, 11:29:00 PM
also, I Hate the new site style....
Post by: LuigiHann on February 01, 2008, 05:10:22 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 01, 2008, 05:23:20 AM
Post by: Caterkiller on February 01, 2008, 05:42:08 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 01, 2008, 09:07:13 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 04, 2008, 11:08:22 PM
Edit: I posted this early today but somehow It got posted after current update. wierd. As for the current update Final Destination was my favorite stage in melee. I liked playing with 4 ganondorfs and only red shells super sudden death with 99 stock. In the brawl version I like the part with the ocean; such serenity amongst chaos.
Post by: nickmitch on February 04, 2008, 06:07:03 PM
Post by: Gylldas on February 04, 2008, 06:26:04 PM
Post by: Homsar on February 05, 2008, 02:01:36 AM
Is this new version of FD a tad more cramped than the Melee version, or is it just my imagination?
Post by: nickmitch on February 05, 2008, 02:41:10 AM
Post by: decoyman on February 05, 2008, 03:02:52 AM
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Originally posted by: TVman
It looks significantly smaller to me, as well. But, the Melee version was a bit longer than it needed to be IMO.
I don't know, racing towards each other from opposite ends of the stage, only to clash in mid-air right at the center, all Ninja Gaiden-style... in Melee's stage, it took long enough for this maneuver that it could be described as epic. In this stage... it probably wouldn't be quite as cool.
Post by: Arbok on February 05, 2008, 01:02:35 PM
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Originally posted by: TVman
It looks significantly smaller to me, as well. But, the Melee version was a bit longer than it needed to be IMO.
I disagree. Melee's was the perfect size for four player matches... this one looks noticeable smaller, making it ideal for one-on-one bouts, but less so for ones involving more than that compared with the old one.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on February 05, 2008, 07:55:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd-dJj0IM_4
Post by: Mikintosh on February 05, 2008, 08:40:23 PM
Post by: Tanookisuit on February 06, 2008, 01:01:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Mikintosh
Update is Assist Trophies. I still don't get what that flipper thing does...
The Helirin thing is from one of those "don't touch the walls cause they'll shock you" games. I think it will slowly move around the stage, rotating and such- either becoming an obstacle or a platform.
Do these deconfirm that list? I don't remember Tingle being on it.
Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2008, 07:40:53 AM
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Homsar wrote:
I remember Final Destination being a pain to unlock... Event 51 was a beast and a half.
I thought so too at first. I beat it using Roy after much frustration..... Then, I discovered about 3 years ago that you could basically just spam Link's downward thrust and 51 is cake.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 06, 2008, 07:47:12 AM
Post by: Mikintosh on February 06, 2008, 10:18:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
You could've discovered 6 years ago that you could spam Jigglypuff's attacks, and win in less than 50 seconds.
That's the only way I've ever done it; I could never KO Ganondorf & Mewtwo with Yoshi or Dr. Mario (my regular character), no matter how many times I tried.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 06, 2008, 10:31:15 AM
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Originally posted by: MikintoshQuote
Originally posted by: Professional 666
You could've discovered 6 years ago that you could spam Jigglypuff's attacks, and win in less than 50 seconds.
That's the only way I've ever done it; I could never KO Ganondorf & Mewtwo with Yoshi or Dr. Mario (my regular character), no matter how many times I tried.
For some reason, reading that fills me with IMPOTENT FURY. Like, how could you not succeed? It motivates me to capture some new videos.
Post by: pSYCO-gAMER321 on February 06, 2008, 12:33:27 PM
Post by: Mikintosh on February 06, 2008, 08:42:14 PM
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 06, 2008, 08:51:04 PM
And second of all the update is Marth. they show some tips to using marth effectively. To unlock him play 10 matchs or beat classic mode or find him in the SSE. In the first two unlocking methods you have to fight him the third you don't.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 06, 2008, 09:16:12 PM
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Originally posted by: Mikintosh
Update is Marth. I didn't know his side special was so complicated this time!
What the, you didn't know he did that already in Melee?
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 07, 2008, 12:37:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Tanookisuit
Do these deconfirm that list? I don't remember Tingle being on it.
Nope, he's definitely on it...
Post by: Homsar on February 07, 2008, 02:01:40 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 07, 2008, 04:48:15 AM
Post by: Mikintosh on February 07, 2008, 10:18:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666Quote
Originally posted by: Mikintosh
Update is Marth. I didn't know his side special was so complicated this time!
What the, you didn't know he did that already in Melee?
No, I thought you just pressed B a lot! Huh, will have to check that out.
Post by: Gylldas on February 07, 2008, 10:41:50 AM
Post by: Homsar on February 07, 2008, 10:41:57 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 07, 2008, 11:50:58 AM
Post by: Arbok on February 07, 2008, 07:24:35 PM
Still find it amazing that the blog is still a great source for info even with the game out.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 07, 2008, 07:28:49 PM
Post by: Gylldas on February 07, 2008, 08:35:25 PM
Post by: Shecky on February 08, 2008, 12:11:17 AM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
Wow... so Samus can shed her armor at any time by taunting "Up, Down, Up... etc" in rapid succession?
Still find it amazing that the blog is still a great source for info even with the game out.
Every NWR member who owns a JAP copy of this game should be ashamed at themselves for not figuring this out...
Now I assume that it's only possible to go from Samus to ZSS with the taunt command. Anyone with the game want to verify that, hmm?
Post by: Arbok on February 08, 2008, 04:00:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Shecky
Now I assume that it's only possible to go from Samus to ZSS with the taunt command. Anyone with the game want to verify that, hmm?
I actually hope it's only a one way deal... otherwise it would be similar to Zelda's transformation, and I like the two being very different in terms of use.
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 08, 2008, 05:36:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
I actually hope it's only a one way deal... otherwise it would be similar to Zelda's transformation, and I like the two being very different in terms of use.
So do I. This way in matches without a Smash Ball you have to choose between one or the other and there's no going back. This way Samus and Zero Suit Samus really are two SEPARATE characters instead of Zelda and Pokemon Trainer who are really several characters in one.
This means the Metroid series really has two characters representing it now. Even though they're both Samus, they're both 100% different from the other and unless your using a Smash Ball, you can only choose one to play as.
Post by: stevey on February 08, 2008, 01:19:20 PM
Now give us the code for unlocking Malon!
Post by: Arbok on February 08, 2008, 01:58:35 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
Now give us the code for unlocking Malon!
You have to beat Classic mode with Midna to unlock her, or so I hear...
Post by: JonLeung on February 08, 2008, 02:18:22 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on February 08, 2008, 03:20:11 PM
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 15, 2008, 10:41:04 PM
Post by: Mikintosh on February 16, 2008, 12:24:52 PM
Last nights update was Luigi. To unlock him play 22 brawl matches, beat Classic mode without continuing or find him in the SSE. The first two methods you fight him to unlock and in the last one you don't. I have a question about Luigi's FS how long do the effects last? Until the next KO, for the whole match or only during the FS?
Well, from the video I saw, the flower goes away after a period of time, so I assume it's the same with all effects. Heck, it might only be while they're inside the green bubble.
Post by: Shecky on February 16, 2008, 06:41:23 PM
<Original post deleted>
Post by: Dasmos on February 16, 2008, 06:49:55 PM
Post by: Shecky on February 16, 2008, 06:57:28 PM
lol, links can't be spoiler'd.
Looks like they can to me Don't you think so too? (http://nintendoworldreport.com/)
Now if you've clicked on them in the past then they do have a slightly different color and if your browser forces links to have a certain look then it probably doesn't work either. In the former case it's not much of a spoiler if you've been there before and in the later case, well that your own damn fault. :)
Post by: MegaByte on February 16, 2008, 07:58:49 PM
Spoiler inside of url (http://nintendoworldreport.com)
Links can be spoilered. Just make sure that the spoiler tag goes inside the link rather that outside of it.
Actually, I can fix up the CSS to make it work in both cases.
Post by: Shecky on February 16, 2008, 08:45:51 PM
Spoiler outside of url (http://nintendoworldreport.com)
Spoiler inside of url (http://nintendoworldreport.com)
Links can be spoilered. Just make sure that the spoiler tag goes inside the link rather that outside of it.
Cool. I'll leave it to Bill though to make those minor adjustments.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 16, 2008, 10:57:46 PM
(There are some little things I have to fix later, like the color of the banner, but nothing major...I'll add in the new entries come Tuesday...)
Post by: pSYCO-gAMER321 on February 17, 2008, 08:16:35 AM
Post by: Mikintosh on February 18, 2008, 11:00:44 AM
I went to the Brawl tournament. I got videos and everything, but I lost at the quarter end. At the end, only serious veterans and importers were left. I talked to a lot of them and many of them were playing obsessively from Melee and imported Brawl. Urgh... if I only did not have a job and played it non-stop! /jealous
Not Dojo update relevant, per se...
Tonight's update is Luigi's Mansion, and the picture where it gets smashed to the ground is very sad:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage28/stage28_080218e-l.jpg
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 18, 2008, 11:24:24 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 18, 2008, 12:13:17 PM
Tonight's update is Luigi's Mansion, and the picture where it gets smashed to the ground is very sad:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage28/stage28_080218e-l.jpg
I just cryed :(
Post by: Mikintosh on February 18, 2008, 12:32:37 PM
Tonight's update is Luigi's Mansion, and the picture where it gets smashed to the ground is very sad:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage28/stage28_080218e-l.jpg
I just cryed :(
Don't worry! If you just wait a while, the place pulls itself back together anyhow.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage28/stage28_080218f-l.jpg
We all knew it was no ordinary mansion!
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 19, 2008, 10:59:59 AM
Post by: Mikintosh on February 19, 2008, 02:43:07 PM
And I didn't know the Ice Climber's cold blast thing went in one direction if you were in mid-air...is this another detail from Melee that had exited my brain?
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 20, 2008, 11:10:14 AM
Post by: Mikintosh on February 20, 2008, 11:18:59 AM
Also, is anyone gonna change the thread's title? As pleasant as having the word "rape" staring you in the face is...
Post by: Shecky on February 20, 2008, 03:36:40 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on February 20, 2008, 03:37:54 PM
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 21, 2008, 10:18:24 AM
Post by: Dasmos on February 22, 2008, 10:11:48 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 22, 2008, 10:16:29 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 22, 2008, 10:20:26 AM
Finally Falcon is revealed. The 180-Falcon Punch will be the best thing ever!I do agree that the 180 FP is awesome. I like his final smash a bit more though.
Post by: LuigiHann on February 22, 2008, 11:29:36 AM
Every day it gets sillier.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 22, 2008, 12:07:01 PM
Post by: Gylldas on February 22, 2008, 06:47:02 PM
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 25, 2008, 02:32:46 AM
Post by: Caliban on February 25, 2008, 07:05:20 PM
Capt. Falcon was the character I spent most with, in Melee, in target practice mode.
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 25, 2008, 08:01:55 PM
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 26, 2008, 02:22:44 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 27, 2008, 03:09:39 AM
Post by: decoyman on February 27, 2008, 10:23:22 AM
Although... these finer points about character moveset tweaks are interesting, like the Captain's 180° Falcon Punch and how Pikachu's thunderstrike is stronger if it hits him while he's touching anyone else (if this was in Melee, color me uninformed).
Post by: MegaByte on February 28, 2008, 01:09:41 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 28, 2008, 02:18:50 AM
Post by: Gylldas on February 28, 2008, 03:07:23 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 29, 2008, 02:45:25 AM
Post by: vudu on February 29, 2008, 02:06:31 PM
Post by: Mikintosh on February 29, 2008, 09:44:53 PM
And yes, Spear Pillar looks cool, and much easier to deal with than Poke Floats.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 03, 2008, 02:10:58 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 04, 2008, 02:12:44 AM
Edit: I was looking at the site again and I noticed a NES DK stage I believe it is the second stage in the nes original. To unlock this stage play with DK 20 times in Brawl. Awesome!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 04, 2008, 02:22:04 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 04, 2008, 02:24:45 AM
Post by: Tanookisuit on March 04, 2008, 08:44:59 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 05, 2008, 02:49:31 AM
Post by: Robageejammin on March 05, 2008, 11:05:42 AM
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/images/item15/item15_080305_59-l.jpg (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/images/item15/item15_080305_59-l.jpg)
...you tell me
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 05, 2008, 11:37:33 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 06, 2008, 02:58:07 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 06, 2008, 03:10:12 AM
Maxi hasn't done it, so I guess I will. The update is the character R.O.B. I must say, of the remaining characters I wasn't expecting him. I don't know how effective he'll be in serious competition, but he sure does look like he's fun to play around with.
ROB is so deserving of a unique moveset. I mean who cares about that Ganondorf guy? He can be a racer, but this ROB guy is something special and key to Nintendo's history.
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 06, 2008, 03:27:30 AM
Post by: Dasmos on March 06, 2008, 03:29:22 AM
Maxi hasn't done it, so I guess I will. The update is the character R.O.B. I must say, of the remaining characters I wasn't expecting him. I don't know how effective he'll be in serious competition, but he sure does look like he's fun to play around with.I'm pretty sure it's going in order of matches needed to unlock the character. Expect Ganondrof to be next.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 06, 2008, 03:29:46 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on March 06, 2008, 03:31:14 AM
Awww
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 06, 2008, 04:20:45 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 06, 2008, 05:13:28 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 06, 2008, 05:35:41 AM
Are you not planning on playing SSE? Or is that just a hypothetical question?
Not sure, I'll definately play SSE, but depending on how difficult it is to unlock some of the characters I may just do the alternative ways.
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 06, 2008, 06:04:36 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on March 06, 2008, 03:44:53 PM
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 07, 2008, 02:22:46 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on March 07, 2008, 10:47:33 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 07, 2008, 03:32:38 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on March 07, 2008, 09:43:08 PM
(http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/etc/images/etc01/etc01_080307_041-l.jpg)
(http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/etc/images/etc01/etc01_080307_094-l.jpg)
(http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/etc/images/etc01/etc01_080307_073-l.jpg)
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 07, 2008, 10:06:44 PM
Ike: I'm well liked aren't I.
The second: Zelda says “Thats my man!”
And finally Zelda says “ I have come to destroy you no one gets my boyfriend!”
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 08, 2008, 05:02:21 PM
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 10, 2008, 04:16:57 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 11, 2008, 05:00:16 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 12, 2008, 05:11:54 AM
Post by: Gylldas on March 12, 2008, 02:22:37 PM
Post by: Mikintosh on March 14, 2008, 05:07:51 AM
Post by: Gylldas on March 14, 2008, 12:51:18 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on March 15, 2008, 05:48:01 PM
No Earthbound! :(
Right, it's a shame. I got the official "you've unlocked all the masterpieces!" notice, and all the ones in the game are on the site. It's sad because I think Ness is more well-known for Smash Bros than for Earthbound, now.
Post by: Caliban on March 20, 2008, 05:06:57 PM
I've passed all of them on Normal and I want more.
Edit: Nevermind. I've learned that there are more events to unlock, but I have to play other modes to unlock more events. It's dumb.
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 21, 2008, 04:51:50 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 24, 2008, 03:45:05 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on March 24, 2008, 11:54:49 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 24, 2008, 02:20:51 PM
I've been working my way through the "clear boss battles with everyone" challenge. It stinks. I hate these "do this mode with everyone!" challenges.
The boss one isn't that bad because you can just play it on Easy mode for everyone. Now the beat 100 Man Brawl with all characters on the other hand makes me want to travel to Japan to personally have a talk with Sakurai.
Post by: Smoke39 on March 24, 2008, 02:32:12 PM
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 25, 2008, 03:37:29 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 26, 2008, 02:11:25 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on March 26, 2008, 02:52:46 PM
Post by: Gylldas on March 26, 2008, 09:28:25 PM
Post by: Shecky on March 26, 2008, 09:38:51 PM
The update for Wednesday was Hanenbow to unlock clear event 28. I played a match versus S_B it was pretty fun even though I lost. I like the music for the stage.
Also of note... you can't swim in the water on this stage. I always forget!
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 27, 2008, 06:09:55 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 28, 2008, 03:26:44 AM
Post by: Shecky on March 28, 2008, 08:43:46 AM
Toon Link's boomerang for that reason alone is more useful than Link's (IMO) as I never seen the gale really "tie people up"
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 28, 2008, 02:50:23 PM
And they fail to mention the biggest differences in the boomerang. It can actually hit things on the return (gale boomerang does not)I have seen Links boomerang bring people back a little. I think all Link's Boomerrang is to make the enemy off balance to set up an attack. While Toon Link isn't as strong and needs that extra hit.
Toon Link's boomerang for that reason alone is more useful than Link's (IMO) as I never seen the gale really "tie people up"
Post by: Smoke39 on March 28, 2008, 02:53:16 PM
Post by: stevey on March 28, 2008, 09:26:57 PM
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Those who have played Link should enjoy playing Toon Link, too. As a rule, the special moves are the same.
WHY is this a rule? Someone, anyone please talk some sense into him. Same with Ganon, no one thinks it's funny that he only uses his sword as a taunt and moves like an mid age smoker.:@
Reading the blog after the game came out is painful....
Post by: DAaaMan64 on March 28, 2008, 09:32:18 PM
QuoteThose who have played Link should enjoy playing Toon Link, too. As a rule, the special moves are the same.
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 31, 2008, 05:09:20 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on March 31, 2008, 05:37:30 PM
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 01, 2008, 03:40:18 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 01, 2008, 04:48:42 AM
Post by: Nephilim on April 01, 2008, 08:13:27 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 02, 2008, 03:24:04 AM
Post by: Shecky on April 02, 2008, 07:48:34 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on April 02, 2008, 11:56:53 AM
Post by: Mikintosh on April 02, 2008, 06:25:14 PM
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 04, 2008, 10:59:18 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 07, 2008, 04:34:40 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 08, 2008, 03:13:43 AM
Post by: Shecky on April 08, 2008, 07:21:54 PM
Ironically, the first and only Boss trophy that I got is the final el-cheapo Boss. He was near dead and a trophy stand just appeared out of nowhere. Do you always have to get that lucky?
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 10, 2008, 06:32:50 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 11, 2008, 04:24:11 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on April 11, 2008, 04:46:34 AM
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To this point, I’ve received a great number of screenshots that focus on peeking at the undergarments of certain Brawl combatants. So let me just say it again—shots like these will never be posted to the Dojo or sent out to users via the Smash Service.
Heh.
Post by: Shecky on April 11, 2008, 08:36:35 AM
Post by: vudu on April 11, 2008, 10:22:28 AM
QuoteTo this point, I’ve received a great number of screenshots that focus on peeking at the undergarments of certain Brawl combatants. So let me just say it again—shots like these will never be posted to the Dojo or sent out to users via the Smash Service.
Heh.
LOL; stevey.
Post by: GeneralTraag on April 11, 2008, 01:43:22 PM
QuoteTo this point, I’ve received a great number of screenshots that focus on peeking at the undergarments of certain Brawl combatants. So let me just say it again—shots like these will never be posted to the Dojo or sent out to users via the Smash Service.
Heh.
LOL; stevey.
It might say that on the U.S. Brawl site, but check the snapshots on page 3 for the snapshots on the Japan site. The middle picture on the bottom of the 3rd page. Also, there are other interesting snapshots to see on there too.
Post by: stevey on April 14, 2008, 03:02:48 AM
/thread
Post by: Shecky on April 14, 2008, 08:52:27 AM
Post by: Arbok on April 14, 2008, 01:50:49 PM
Thanks to the site, I don't think I have ever quite looked forward to a game the way I did Brawl, and possibly never will.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 14, 2008, 02:19:32 PM
"Brawl’s director, Masahiro Sakurai, provided the voice for King Dedede."
The day before, I was thinking about how odd Dedede's voice is and I thought it was probably Sakurai's voice through a synthesizer or something.
I always wanted to jump out of a shield.... now I didn't know that I had to have tap jump on to do it :-/
I'm pretty sure you can just hit the jump button to jump out of shield.
Post by: Mikintosh on April 14, 2008, 02:38:23 PM
And Sakurai as King Dedede: genius way to leave his mark, other than...y'know, the rest of the game. :)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 14, 2008, 02:49:04 PM
Post by: Shecky on April 15, 2008, 11:58:09 PM
I always wanted to jump out of a shield.... now I didn't know that I had to have tap jump on to do it :-/
I'm pretty sure you can just hit the jump button to jump out of shield.
Trust me, you cannot... I've tried to plenty of times when getting flamed to death by your Bowser! ;)
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 27, 2008, 02:58:00 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 27, 2008, 03:00:12 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 27, 2008, 03:10:27 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 27, 2008, 03:19:38 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 28, 2008, 03:19:18 AM
For those who didn't know, there were a pile of changes made between the US and Euro versions of SSBM:
http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Version_differences_%28SSBM%29
I wonder if the European version removed some chaingrabs and other glitches. Stuff like this makes me wonder if Sakurai would've opted for balance patches if the Wii could handle them.
I've played some online MK Wii and the online system they used for it is vastly superior to that of SSBB. SSBB's system is proxied through Gamespy, hence why it's unreliable and laggy. MK Wii's is direct, meaning it's virtually lag free with 12 people. I wish Sakurai had delayed it and used the better online system.
Post by: Smoke39 on June 28, 2008, 03:43:38 AM
Post by: Shecky on June 30, 2008, 01:11:23 AM
I'm curious as to what changes they made in the Euro version of the game.
For those who didn't know, there were a pile of changes made between the US and Euro versions of SSBM:
http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Version_differences_%28SSBM%29
I wonder if the European version removed some chaingrabs and other glitches. Stuff like this makes me wonder if Sakurai would've opted for balance patches if the Wii could handle them.
I've played some online MK Wii and the online system they used for it is vastly superior to that of SSBB. SSBB's system is proxied through Gamespy, hence why it's unreliable and laggy. MK Wii's is direct, meaning it's virtually lag free with 12 people. I wish Sakurai had delayed it and used the better online system.
I wish gamespy would just die already... clearly I have my priorities straight
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 22, 2008, 11:25:21 AM
Target Smash and Home Run contest world records.
Are any of those yours?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 22, 2008, 02:31:11 PM
Post by: vudu on August 22, 2008, 02:32:31 PM
