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Title: Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: ShreddersDojo on December 30, 2007, 01:03:55 PM
Did the original untouched Arcade Game for XBox live not sell well?   I still pray for the day when they release that and Turtles in Time for the Wii in multiplayer.  Makes up for the TMNT Movie game not being multiplayer, as far as I'm concerned .

I still may wind up getting an XBox for that, the new Ghostbusters game, and the brand new Pac-Man game that was released.  Not to mention the back catalog of Star Wars games that where never released on a Nintendo Console
Title: RE:Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: NeoThunder on December 30, 2007, 01:18:06 PM
The TMNT '89 Arcade as far as I know went over great on Xbox Live Arcade.  I don't really see it coming to WiiWare sadly.  We're more inclined to get "Turtles 2 The Arcade" for NES and/or "Turtles4: Turtles in Time" for SNES.  

Personally I'm hoping for "Turtles III: The Manhattan Project" that was some hardcore Ninja Turtles action that was still hard, but not something totally unbeatable.  Don't get me wrong, I like Turtles 4 too.

ohhh, and we better not have to pay 100 points more for it like we did if we wanted Turtles 1 on NES
Title: RE: Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: IceCold on December 30, 2007, 01:35:46 PM
Seriously. I really want Manhattan Project.
Title: RE: Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: Terranigma Freak on December 31, 2007, 03:20:34 AM
Manhattan Project was hard? The game was easy as hell with the special moves. You can't die when you have 1 energy left. Just abuse and win.
Title: RE:Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: Nick DiMola on December 31, 2007, 03:23:32 AM
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Originally posted by: NeoThunder
We're more inclined to get "Turtles 2 The Arcade" for NES and/or "Turtles4: Turtles in Time" for SNES.  


Personally, I'd rather get the SNES version of Turtles in Time than the Arcade Version. I've played both extensively and I have always preferred the SNES version over the Arcade version. However, I would rather get the Turtles 2 Arcade game than the NES port because it is clearly superior.  
Title: RE:Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: GeneralTraag on December 31, 2007, 04:15:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
However, I would rather get the Turtles 2 Arcade game than the NES port because it is clearly superior.


At least the TMNT 2: the arcade game for NES had 2 new levels. But, the original arcade version will always be my favorite.
 
Title: RE: Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: Stogi on December 31, 2007, 05:11:39 AM
TURTLES IN TIME
Title: RE:Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: NeoThunder on December 31, 2007, 05:49:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
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Originally posted by: NeoThunder
We're more inclined to get "Turtles 2 The Arcade" for NES and/or "Turtles4: Turtles in Time" for SNES.  


Personally, I'd rather get the SNES version of Turtles in Time than the Arcade Version. I've played both extensively and I have always preferred the SNES version over the Arcade version. However, I would rather get the Turtles 2 Arcade game than the NES port because it is clearly superior.


Hey, I never said that I preferred the Arcade version of Turtles4.  I'm with everyone else cause the SNES version of Turtles4 was just as good (some may argue better) as the Arcade and had a couple more levels if i remember correctly
Title: RE: Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 31, 2007, 08:10:15 AM
The arcade version had the mythical 4-player support.

But the SNES version was MUCH MORE RESPONSIVE in animation & programming.

So either way, nobody wins and there's nothing good to hope for cuz Konami sucks since a 4-player SNES version will never materialize.
Title: RE:Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on December 31, 2007, 10:11:30 AM
Well I know that Konami has the rights to the old ones but the big question is does Ubisoft still have the license to the games since the last TMNT game made was by Ubisoft.
Title: RE: Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: Bartman3010 on December 31, 2007, 02:05:13 PM
Maybe when/if TMNT 2 comes around. Who knows?
Title: RE: Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 31, 2007, 08:15:03 PM
Turtles in Time is the Best Ninja Turtles game created.  And, I would love for the game to be ported to the Virtual Console, but I would love it if they could add 4 player support, because that is what made the arcade version so great.  It was designed for 4 Players.

But the game I want is Trog (A true port of the arcade game, not the NES version.)
Title: RE: Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: Terranigma Freak on January 01, 2008, 03:47:04 AM
I wouldn't say the SNES version of Turtles in Time is clearly superior, but they both have its ups and downs. The Arcade version has over 10 enemies on screen at once, where as the SNES version can only afford 4 enemies at once. The Arcade version had a difficulty balance that makes it so damn cool. You'll see more or less enemies depending on how well you play the game.
Title: RE: Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: Sarail on January 01, 2008, 03:59:54 AM
Turtles IV: Turtles in Time is my absolute favorite TMNT game.  I'm really hoping that it gets released soon on the VC.  Though, I do own it on the SNES, it would be nice to have it stored right there on the Wii.. ready to be played at any time.
Title: RE: Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: Kairon on January 01, 2008, 10:43:29 AM
I <3 Turtles in Time. Insta-Buy when it comes out on VC. Even if it cost 1200 WiiPoints.
Title: RE:Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 01, 2008, 11:13:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Rachtman
Turtles IV: Turtles in Time is my absolute favorite TMNT game.  I'm really hoping that it gets released soon on the VC.  Though, I do own it on the SNES, it would be nice to have it stored right there on the Wii.. ready to be played at any time.


I might have said this to you before or something like it, but Jet Force Gemini is AMAZING.  
Title: RE: Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: NeoThunder on January 01, 2008, 07:39:28 PM
This whole 4-player support for turtles 4 doesn't matter since there isn't going to be any online support for VC games.  

If you want 4 player action on one screen, are there really that many people who will be able to take advantage of that?
Title: RE: Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: Terranigma Freak on January 02, 2008, 03:07:39 AM
Oh BTW, I have some... disturbing information... If you guys bought the TMNT game that came out a few years ago, you'd know it came with Turtles in Time packaged with it. Well, the game's music got butchered due to some weird copy right problem. Like Konami and Mirage no long owns the music since it was based on the Archie TMNT characters or some crap. They had to remove the awesome soundtrack and replaced it with some generic trash.
Title: RE:Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: NeoThunder on January 02, 2008, 04:59:27 AM
How come whenever they package Turtles 89' Arcade in with "the new TMNT 2", they had to cut out the original music, however, the Turtles Arcade on Xbox Live Arcade has all the original sound and music?

I think everyone was aware that the original Turtles Arcade game was an added bonus with "the new TMNT 2" and Turtles 4 was the added bonus on "the new TMNT 3" (I thought it was the arcade version)  Unless your talking about the game based on the movie.....which one are you talking about?
Title: RE: Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: Ian Sane on January 02, 2008, 05:41:22 AM
"If you want 4 player action on one screen, are there really that many people who will be able to take advantage of that?"

Hasn't that been pretty commonplace since the N64 came out in 1996?  Suddenly because online exists getting a four player game going on one console with one TV at one house is a big hassle?

Turtles IV with four player support would be fantastic but sadly we'll never get it.  Game companies are just too lazy to do that sort of thing.  Konami will only ever re-release the arcade game or the SNES game but wouldn't consider making a special edition that combines the best elements of both.  They probably don't think it's worth the cost and they're probably right.  Yeah some of us here want that but odds are most of the market for this game isn't even really familiar with the differences and thus would just buy version or the other.  Sadly there probably isn't many extra sales that would be made with a special edition to justify the extra development.  Hell for years I assumed the arcade version of Turtles in Time was the best one until I downloaded it on MAME and realized it was missing levels.
Title: RE: Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: Athrun Zala on January 02, 2008, 12:46:12 PM
I want The Manhattan Project... it was made of WIN

pretty please Konami? ;_;
Title: RE:Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: Terranigma Freak on January 03, 2008, 02:16:47 AM
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Originally posted by: NeoThunder
How come whenever they package Turtles 89' Arcade in with "the new TMNT 2", they had to cut out the original music, however, the Turtles Arcade on Xbox Live Arcade has all the original sound and music?

I think everyone was aware that the original Turtles Arcade game was an added bonus with "the new TMNT 2" and Turtles 4 was the added bonus on "the new TMNT 3" (I thought it was the arcade version)  Unless your talking about the game based on the movie.....which one are you talking about?


I'm talking about the package version. I don't have XBL so I have no clue if the music was intact. If what you said is true, then that's just weird. There might be hope after all.

Title: RE: Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: NeoThunder on January 03, 2008, 08:35:52 AM
well, the 89' Arcade version thats a bonus on "the new TMNT2" game has some 2nd rate background music, but thats it, any ingame voices like from shredder or april are cut out....even the turtles going "AHhh shell shock".  I think the only thing it was able to keep was the beat em up sounds of smacking enimies and stuff blowing up

The Xbox Live Arcade version has everything, my only guess is microsoft had some clout and wouldn't let them bring a watered down version to live arcade, I'm sure with a game like that there's a bunch of people with their hands in the royalties jar.  

Whats funny is, it's still only 5 bucks.  For original everything AND xbox live Co-Op support.

Still another reason I think we are getting ripped off on VC Games.
Title: RE: Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: Kairon on January 03, 2008, 08:50:27 AM
Microsoft has the Nintendo Seal of Quality thing going on, Nes era iron gauntlet style for XBLA. I've heard that it's difficult to get MS to approve your game for XBLA, it has to match what they want for the platform or you're out of luck.

Nintendo is taking the "bring on the games" approach of the PS and PS2: if you've got it and it works, release it. That's one reason that the number of VC games dwarfs anything that XBLA and PSN can accrete, and one reason why Wii Ware will basically have no screening for concept or quality, just for bugs and an ESRB rating. Obviously Nintendo feels burned by the lack of third-party support the past two generations, and is making a real effort to clear a wide berth for third parties.
Title: RE:Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: vudu on January 05, 2008, 03:13:21 AM
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Originally posted by: ShreddersDojo
Did the original untouched Arcade Game for XBox live not sell well?
Actually, it was the top-selling Xbox Live Arcade game of 2007.
Title: RE:Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: NeoThunder on January 05, 2008, 07:26:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Microsoft has the Nintendo Seal of Quality thing going on, Nes era iron gauntlet style for XBLA. I've heard that it's difficult to get MS to approve your game for XBLA, it has to match what they want for the platform or you're out of luck.

Nintendo is taking the "bring on the games" approach of the PS and PS2: if you've got it and it works, release it. That's one reason that the number of VC games dwarfs anything that XBLA and PSN can accrete, and one reason why Wii Ware will basically have no screening for concept or quality, just for bugs and an ESRB rating. Obviously Nintendo feels burned by the lack of third-party support the past two generations, and is making a real effort to clear a wide berth for third parties.


Well, you do make a really good point.  However, I do want to point out that there are still some games on XBLA that do suck that no one should buy, such as ecco the dolphin and others I just don't care for.  I do think it's kinda cool the guidlines Microsoft has for it's Arcade games.  You have to be able to download a demo of it, which is the full game it's just locked until you buy the whole game.  When you quit a game, the button that takes you out of the game has to always be the same button, so your not forever trapped in a bunch of screens asking you to buy the game.  I'm not big in anyway on Achievements but every Arcade games has to have 200 pts total in achievements too.

I guess where i'm trying to go on my rant here is, Nintendo needs to give us more than just 2 tiny screenshots of a game.  Now, demo's would be nice but I know it isn't going to happen.  The 30 sec video's they post on their website are nice, but the problem is that sometimes not all games get a video.  Add to that when they do post video of some, like have the video is a menu screen....how the hell can I see what a video game is like when i'm staring at the menu screen?  Would it be that hard to give us more screenshots of these games, or have someone with half a brain do the video capture for the website.  
Title: RE:Why no more TMNT VC games?
Post by: Kairon on January 05, 2008, 11:00:47 AM
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Originally posted by: NeoThunder
I guess where i'm trying to go on my rant here is, Nintendo needs to give us more than just 2 tiny screenshots of a game.  Now, demo's would be nice but I know it isn't going to happen.  The 30 sec video's they post on their website are nice, but the problem is that sometimes not all games get a video.  Add to that when they do post video of some, like have the video is a menu screen....how the hell can I see what a video game is like when i'm staring at the menu screen?  Would it be that hard to give us more screenshots of these games, or have someone with half a brain do the video capture for the website.


That's a very good point. Nintendo should make a deal with Bloodworth and GameTrailers to supply gameplay video of the games in question.