Community Forums => General Chat => Topic started by: Nick DiMola on December 18, 2007, 03:25:06 AM
Title: Any tips for a first time home buyer?
Post by: Nick DiMola on December 18, 2007, 03:25:06 AM
I know some people here on the forums are home-owners and I am attempting to join their ranks. Can anyone give me any pointers when buying a home for the first time? I know it is somewhat of a broad topic, but any tips on any particular topic would be great. With the market being so strongly a buyer's market right now, I want to get in on the action and get myself a decent home for a decent price.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 18, 2007, 04:08:57 AM
Are you in California? If so, let me do the financing for you.
If you are planning on buying and want to sell for profit at some point in the future, avoid 1st time home buyer programs if they limit your profit margin. Get the seller to pay the closing cost and refund you for any repairs that need to be made (ie. carpeting or paint) Ask your realtor to find out everything about the property that they can (such as, crime statistics, what was the land zoned as before the house was built<if new>, etc etc.) DO NOT purchase a house where the payment is more that you can afford comfortably. There are tricks to paying a home of quicker, but I have to goto work right now, so I'll tell them later if you want to hear. use the next few months of hunting to really clean up your credit as good as possible(it takes 3-6 months) so your FICO score is as high as possible <--IMPORTANT
thats all I can think of off the top of my head, but happy hunting for that perfect home at the perfect price.
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Post by: EasyCure on December 18, 2007, 04:17:18 AM
make sure it has all four walls. it doesnt matter if its overlooking the ocean, its still a crummy house..
/EB
Title: RE: Any tips for a first time home buyer?
Post by: Nick DiMola on December 18, 2007, 05:22:34 AM
Thanks for the tips BnM. I am looking to buy a house here in Albany, NY, Voorheesville or Delmar to be precise. I don't plan on buying to turn a profit in the short run, hopefully in the long run though. Currently my credit score and my fiancees credit scores are particularly good. We have very little debt, just a bit of college debt left to pay off at this point. Tips for paying off the mortgage quicker would be great, so if you do have time the tips would be greatly appreciated.
Four walls, and perhaps a roof would be preferable, EasyCure . Ocean houses suck too, so screw that. Plus I definitely don't have enough for one that overlooks the ocean, those are usually ridiculously expensive.
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Post by: jakeOSX on December 18, 2007, 06:44:05 AM
GET A HOUSE INSPECTION. seriously. get a good inspector, let him find everything wrong with it. talk to the neighbors too.
Title: RE:Any tips for a first time home buyer?
Post by: Nick DiMola on December 18, 2007, 06:55:12 AM
Quote Originally posted by: jakeOSX talk to the neighbors too.
You know, I didn't even think of that. I'm guessing they will give you the most realistic view of the scenario and will probably give you a heads up about anything that may be of interest. Good advice, will do.
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Post by: EasyCure on December 18, 2007, 08:27:23 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Mr. Jack Thanks for the tips BnM. I am looking to buy a house here in Albany, NY, Voorheesville or Delmar to be precise. I don't plan on buying to turn a profit in the short run, hopefully in the long run though. Currently my credit score and my fiancees credit scores are particularly good. We have very little debt, just a bit of college debt left to pay off at this point. Tips for paying off the mortgage quicker would be great, so if you do have time the tips would be greatly appreciated.
Four walls, and perhaps a roof would be preferable, EasyCure . Ocean houses suck too, so screw that. Plus I definitely don't have enough for one that overlooks the ocean, those are usually ridiculously expensive.
oh and dont throw away any magazines that may be hidden in a dresser drawer; they usually contain a funny story
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Post by: vudu on December 18, 2007, 08:40:04 AM
Don't buy a house you can't afford. It sounds like a no-brainer, but lots of people buy a house that's a little out of their price range because they expect their salary will increase in the coming years (or they'll get married and their income will effectively double). If that doesn't happen you'll be in trouble. Also, it's no fun being mortgage poor.
I also recommend a fixed rate mortgage. ARMs stink.
Title: RE:Any tips for a first time home buyer?
Post by: matt oz on December 18, 2007, 08:43:35 AM
Quote Originally posted by: EasyCure
Quote Originally posted by: Mr. Jack Thanks for the tips BnM. I am looking to buy a house here in Albany, NY, Voorheesville or Delmar to be precise. I don't plan on buying to turn a profit in the short run, hopefully in the long run though. Currently my credit score and my fiancees credit scores are particularly good. We have very little debt, just a bit of college debt left to pay off at this point. Tips for paying off the mortgage quicker would be great, so if you do have time the tips would be greatly appreciated.
Four walls, and perhaps a roof would be preferable, EasyCure . Ocean houses suck too, so screw that. Plus I definitely don't have enough for one that overlooks the ocean, those are usually ridiculously expensive.
oh and dont throw away any magazines that may be hidden in a dresser drawer; they usually contain a funny story
I get that reference!
Title: RE: Any tips for a first time home buyer?
Post by: EasyCure on December 18, 2007, 12:32:17 PM
just the one???
Title: RE: Any tips for a first time home buyer?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 18, 2007, 02:21:19 PM
Like jakeOSX said, a house inspection is very important too. You'll be surprised what kind of things turn up in a report that you wouldn't have known otherwise (termites being the biggest problem, followed by things like wood rot or foundation issues.)
As far as paying your house off sooner, there is a rule that we call the 10/13 rule. You send in an extra 10% of your payment every month and an extra full payment once a year and you will pay your home off ALOT sooner.
For example;lets say you have a 30 year fixed loan and your payment is $2500 a month. You would send in 10% of that ($250) = $2750 every month and then an additional payment ($2500) once a year and you will pay off your 30 year loan in 15 years instead and save yourself 10's to 100's of 1000's of dollars(of interest) in the process.
So if you buy a home make sure you can easily afford the payment and still have enough left over to imply the 10/13 rule. Ask your lender about it, they will explain it to you with your $$ figures used and even show you how much money you will save.
Also you do get a slight rate break if you include your taxes & insurance, but you if you are good with money you should set that money aside yourself (maybe in a high interest account or a timed CD) and collect the interest then pay it yourself at the end of the year.
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 18, 2007, 02:34:42 PM
Talk to a tax preparer so you can find out any benefits/and or penalties you can look forward to on your tax return.
Title: RE: Any tips for a first time home buyer?
Post by: Nick DiMola on December 18, 2007, 03:03:55 PM
Thanks BnM that is good stuff to know. Thank god mortgage payments around here are nowhere near $2500 a month, but the 10/13 rule seems like a great idea. I am going to be meeting with a hopeful lender tomorrow morning so I guess we'll see where it goes from there. I will probably weigh out what's best for insurance/taxes and take the appropriate measures, whether that is dealing with the bank or investing in a CD and paying yearly. Tomorrow is a bidg day so we'll see what happens and move from there. Thanks again for the info it will undoubtedly be a big help.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on December 19, 2007, 02:25:11 AM
Well step 1 is a success! My fiancée and I were pre-qualified for a mortgage up to $250k. Later today my fiancée and my mom will be looking into the house we are interested in. Hopefully our interest continues after seeing the house from the inside. I'll keep everyone posted, thanks for the help!
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Post by: 18 Days on December 19, 2007, 03:25:39 AM
Best advice.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on December 19, 2007, 05:09:12 AM
LOL, I love penny-arcade.
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Post by: Ceric on December 21, 2007, 01:08:34 AM
Congrats, You were able to obtain 100 thousand more then I and I have excellent credit... (but I don't get paid overly much)
I'll tell you this. Everyone will lie to you if it means selling the home if they have an interest in its sell. An inspector won't because it benefits him more to do multiple inspections. Also that Lending Tree charges like $500 for the honor of obtaining there leads and that's passed on to you. Your mortgage will be sold. Mine was sold twice before I made my first payment and somewhere on the way they threw in PMI which I was not suppose to have to pay. Luckily for me it wasn't a hassle to get fix. Even though I geared up for that. I have a few more stories but I'll save you from that.
When I was buying I made sure everyone had what they needed and where on the same page. It saved me a lot of trouble at the actual close. There were no surprises and we got all the papers signed in about 30 minutes. Budget on the Good Faith Estimate not what they tell you the loan is. My loan is $996 a month but my payments are $1,130 a month (taxes, insurance, etc.) Also consider points but I'm sure BnM would now more about that. Fixed-Rate all the way. Anything else is a fools gamble.
Hope that helps.
Title: RE: Any tips for a first time home buyer?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 21, 2007, 03:22:55 AM
Just so you know PMI is tax deductible as long as your loan is generated in 2007 or later.
Title: RE: Any tips for a first time home buyer?
Post by: Nick DiMola on December 21, 2007, 03:26:48 AM
Thanks for the tips Ceric, and again BnM. The first house we were interested in turned out to be a disaster. We have plans to go look at another house tomorrow. I'm hoping this one is in a little better shape. If it does turn out to look good we are looking at a mortgage of about $175k. I'll keep you guys posted.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 21, 2007, 03:56:59 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Ceric An inspector won't because it benefits him more to do multiple inspections.
That's for sure. I came close to making an offer on a house that may have had foundation problems before the inspector pointed out the signs that really should have been obvious to me. You can save yourself the cost of an inspection if you learn some things to look for yourself. Not that the inspection should cost all that much in the grand scheme of things.
I'd share some pointers, but I'm fairly certain houses are constructed differently where you live than they are around here, where nearly everything is on a slab and the ground isn't suitable for basements.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on December 23, 2007, 02:01:43 AM
Well time for another update! Looks like we found the right house. We have scheduled an inspector to come take a look and following the inspection we plan on making an offer. We found a house that a real estate company bought to flip. For the most part the house is 100% brand new on the inside. From what I could tell the structure seemed good, and the house felt sturdy. I guess we'll see what the inspector comes up with at this point. If all of this does go through, we are probably looking at a mid-to-late February move in date! Thanks for the help everyone, I'll post again after the inspector makes his rounds.
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Post by: IceCold on December 23, 2007, 09:03:36 AM
Whoa, that was really fast! Congrats!
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Post by: Nick DiMola on December 24, 2007, 12:52:06 AM
Quote Originally posted by: IceCold Whoa, that was really fast! Congrats!
Thanks IceCold! Yeah the Albany market is really dry for lower priced homes, so my selection size was only about 10-15 houses. The one that we are going to settle with actually wound up being exactly what we wanted which is great. Typically this area is not for a first time home buyer. Most of the houses here sell for $300k+, so to find one that is in good shape under $200k was amazingly lucky. Now as long as the inspection checks out we are good to go!
Thanks again everyone (Especially BnM) for all the tips and help, I really appreciate it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 24, 2007, 03:45:18 AM
Hey, no problem. & have a Merry X-Mas
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Post by: Nick DiMola on December 31, 2007, 08:11:59 AM
Well looks like the inspection reveals all. House had major water issues, so we are back on the search. Found a posting online of interest, we shall see if it is as good in person as it seems online.
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Post by: Berto2K on January 01, 2008, 10:17:51 AM
Holy crap that a cheap house.... Here in CA (at least in the Bay Area), there is just about nothing below $500k for a house. If I ever leave this state, it would be very hard to move back in.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 01, 2008, 10:34:01 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Berto2K Holy crap that a cheap house.... Here in CA (at least in the Bay Area), there is just about nothing below $500k for a house. If I ever leave this state, it would be very hard to move back in.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on January 02, 2008, 12:42:43 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Berto2K Holy crap that a cheap house.... Here in CA (at least in the Bay Area), there is just about nothing below $500k for a house. If I ever leave this state, it would be very hard to move back in.
Yeah Cali is ridiculous. I watch alot of those HGTV shows and they show people about to buy houses there for around $750k. A comparable house here is about $200k. Even better, down in the Carolinas a comparable house is around $130-150k. I think you'd have to be insane to buy real estate in Cali at those prices. I'd take my cash and move to the south east and get more bang for my buck. The weather would probably be comparable too which would definitely make adjusting easier. Oh well, to each his own.
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Post by: Berto2K on January 02, 2008, 11:31:35 AM
Ouch, my wallet just jabbed me. I could almost afford one of those on a year's income if I had no bills or didn't need to eat.
Quote Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
Yeah Cali is ridiculous. I watch alot of those HGTV shows and they show people about to buy houses there for around $750k. A comparable house here is about $200k. Even better, down in the Carolinas a comparable house is around $130-150k. I think you'd have to be insane to buy real estate in Cali at those prices. I'd take my cash and move to the south east and get more bang for my buck. The weather would probably be comparable too which would definitely make adjusting easier. Oh well, to each his own.
Ya, and those $500k homes are single story too. Its weird, because in most places, that will give you a unfurnished house. But if you go into the central Valley area (Frenso, etc.) you can pay the same and get a furnished house. Of course it varies by where you are in the state too.
I'd have to have a pretty compelling reason to leave CA I think. Its nice being out here and being able to get to either the snow, beach, or desert within a few hours. Plus all the tech companies are right here (San Jose).
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 02, 2008, 05:06:50 PM
Lets compare what you can get in Spokane, WA vs what you can get for the same price in San Jose, CA.
Remember San Jose is minutes away from some really good beaches, hours away from some really good snowy mountains, and don't forget the the girls the clubs and the money. You are close enough to anything that you want to do, recreation, social or financial.
Spokane..... the peace, the quiet and the space?
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Post by: Berto2K on January 03, 2008, 11:20:40 AM
LOL that house is only about 20 minutes (14 miles) from my house via mostly freeway. And look at the build date on it too...1960!
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Post by: Nick DiMola on February 02, 2008, 01:25:27 AM
Well I finally found a house that should definitely go through! Just have to wait for my mortgage to get approved and I'm ready to go. Time to get packing. Once I get in I'll probably be making a video on youtube to show various people the interior of the house, when that happens I'll throw a link up on here.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on February 28, 2008, 04:54:52 PM
Well looks like after the inspection revealed some issues, and the seller would not make concessions, I am forced to walk away from this house, losing about $1500 and a couple months of time. Stubborn assholes really piss me off, especially when they cause me to lose money. In the mean time, I need to make accommodations with my landlord to stay for some unknown amount of time, which will also cause me to lose around $50 a month because I will have to rent monthly until I find something else. >:(
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Post by: Ceric on February 28, 2008, 05:15:27 PM
I'm surprised you lost money.
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Post by: vudu on February 28, 2008, 05:24:51 PM
Don't feel bad. I know someone who lost $10K after a similar experience.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on February 28, 2008, 09:33:45 PM
Well the loss of money is related to the cost of the appraisal, mortgage application and brokerage service, as well as the inspection and lawyer fees. I guess it's more like poorly invested money rather than a flat loss, but considering it was all for naught it may as well be a loss.
As you mentioned vudu, at least it isn't $10k so I'm not sweating it that much, just kind of sucks.