Post by: Stogi on November 27, 2007, 07:23:11 AM
Go now!
This movie is at times one of the most intense movies you'll see, and at others, one of the smartest.
WATCH IT NOW!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 27, 2007, 07:29:18 AM
Post by: Svevan on November 27, 2007, 07:45:50 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 27, 2007, 07:50:08 AM
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Movie of the year, so far.
Why am I not surprised. Is Redacted runner up?
Post by: Stogi on November 27, 2007, 08:15:42 AM
I seriously wish I had this movie in my dvd player, because after I saw it, I wanted to watch it again.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 27, 2007, 08:41:29 AM
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Propaganda? psh...
I seriously wish I had this movie in my dvd player, because after I saw it, I wanted to watch it again.
I'll wait until I can rent it. Even if it wasn't propaganda I seldom go see drama's at the theater, I mainly go to the theater for the movies that benefit greatly from the big screen, like action movies.
Post by: Stogi on November 27, 2007, 09:08:26 AM
Who told you this was a drama? This IS an action flick! Not one with gunz a blazing, but definitely one that involves a lot of action/suspense.
TRUST ME. You won't be disappointed.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 27, 2007, 09:13:18 AM
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What?
Who told you this was a drama? This IS an action flick! Not one with gunz a blazing, but definitely one that involves a lot of action/suspense.
TRUST ME. You won't be disappointed.
Hmmm, well what I mean is movies with alot of "Flash" and special effects is what I usually see in theaters. Movies with suspense, drama, or more story or character centered I watch at home because I enjoy them more (I do not like theaters lol).
Post by: Stogi on November 27, 2007, 09:23:00 AM
But the love I have for the Coen brothers, as well as, my reaction after reading this quote from Rolling Stone made me want to see this movie....bad.
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The Coens squeeze us without mercy in a vise of tension and suspense, but only to force us to look into an abyss of our own making.
Post by: bustin98 on November 27, 2007, 10:25:40 AM
Why do you call it propaganda, GP? I was thinking it was going to be some social statement film because of your comment. Do you know something that isn't apparent in the trailer?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 27, 2007, 10:49:54 AM
Post by: Caliban on November 27, 2007, 12:27:14 PM
Post by: wandering on November 27, 2007, 01:38:38 PM
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Movie of the year, so far.
Ratatouille was better.
You guys who have seen it, help me understand the plot. What was the bad guy's connection to the drug deal?
Also, what happened in Tommy Lee Jones' character's dream? I zoned out at the end.
Post by: EasyCure on November 28, 2007, 08:20:02 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 28, 2007, 08:59:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Svevan
Movie of the year, so far.
Ratatouille was better.
You guys who have seen it, help me understand the plot. What was the bad guy's connection to the drug deal?
Also, what happened in Tommy Lee Jones' character's dream? I zoned out at the end.
Ratatouille was a great movie, I hope it is in the running for movie of the year.
Post by: vudu on November 28, 2007, 09:32:02 AM
Post by: EasyCure on November 28, 2007, 11:12:27 AM
though that didnt stop me from watching Mr Beans Holiday.. :/ but the quality was better on that, it was more of a burned copy from the euro release. but i wont be watching hitman, thats for sure! awful quality and sound..ugh
Post by: IceCold on November 28, 2007, 04:51:47 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on November 28, 2007, 05:46:33 PM
Yeah, I loved Ratatouille.
This, I'm hesitant to see. My roommate went to see it tonight. He's a big Cohen Bros. fan. My response is always "Who?" Personally, I'm not too fond of the genre.
Post by: Stogi on November 29, 2007, 10:02:01 AM
NCFOM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ratatouille
You made a big mistake tonight thatguy. Your roommate is going to come back spouting out all sorts of glorious things and make you feel...well....down right jealous.
jealous = envious = foolish
Post by: Svevan on November 30, 2007, 11:44:42 PM
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You guys who have seen it, help me understand the plot. What was the bad guy's connection to the drug deal?
Also, what happened in Tommy Lee Jones' character's dream? I zoned out at the end.
Chigurh (Javier Bardem) was hired by the rich guy in the office (Stephen Root) to get the money back. The rich guy also hired Woody Harrelson and the two well dressed men that Chigurh killed early in the film. Chigurh objected to "rich guy" hiring three different "cleaner uppers" to get the job done, when Chigurh believed that he alone was worthy of the job. So that's why he killed all of the cleaner uppers, and rich guy.
The full text of Tommy Lee Jones dream (as well as an excellent analysis of what makes this a great film) is available at Jim Emerson's Scanners blog.
Post by: IceCold on December 02, 2007, 07:02:35 PM
Post by: Stogi on December 03, 2007, 02:16:04 AM
Post by: Svevan on December 03, 2007, 09:43:21 PM
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You guys have watched Fargo, right?
Yes, why?
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 05, 2007, 05:58:22 AM
Post by: Stogi on December 05, 2007, 07:27:43 AM
Miller's crossing.....I wanted to see that ever since my Film Lit teacher showed us the opening scene.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 02, 2008, 06:40:14 AM
Regarding the ending (and these are really big spoilers here)
My brother summed it up reasonably well - "that movie was perfect until they killed Moss. The ending sucked." I looked it up and the ending is apparently very faithful to the book so I won't crap on the Coens for that. But the ending is probably the most disappointing for such a good film I've ever seen. It's not that Chigurh lives and seems to get away with everything that's the problem but rather that the loose ends aren't tied up and early foreshadowing goes nowhere. I've heard people praise the story for not having a cliche ending but if I want just a bunch of stuff to happen without a satisfying conclusion I've got real life, thanks. The reason I like fiction is the annoying BS that ruins a good real life story doesn't have to happen unless the writer chooses to. The whole film is building up to a Chigurh-Moss showdown and you're just rooting for Moss to SOMEHOW survive. Not only does he die but it isn't at Chigurh's hands and it's like three quarters through the movie and it's offscreen. LAME. Moss tells Chigurh on the phone "you're my project" or something like that. Why? Why tease the audience (or reader I guess since this is probably all the author's fault) with an exciting showdown and not deliver? I wouldn't even care if Moss set up a big trap but Chigurh still managed to kill him anyway. At least that's still a payoff. No Country for Old Men is the first 75% of a intense thriller/action film that almost feels like a horror movie that ultimately f*cks over the audience and turns into Tommy Lee Jones whining about getting old. I'll probably never see it again because seeing those intense scenes with Chigurh hunting Moss won't have the same impact when I know it all amounts to nothing.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 20, 2008, 02:14:51 PM
Finally watched this. Great villian. Bleak ending. Movie of the Year? ...I don't know.
Post by: Dasmos on April 21, 2008, 08:45:56 PM
Post by: IceCold on April 22, 2008, 04:05:08 AM
Post by: Pale on May 11, 2008, 06:01:13 PM
I thought it was pretty much crap. Lamest ending ever.
Post by: Svevan on May 11, 2008, 06:03:42 PM
Post by: vudu on May 11, 2008, 06:28:39 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 12, 2008, 04:56:24 PM
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I watched it a few weeks ago. I really liked it. But There Will Be Blood was better.
There Will Be Blood had a weirdo "what the hell just happened" ending as well. Is this like a new trend? Those were the only best picture nominees I saw last year. Did all the others have endings like that too?
Though I will likely see There Will Be Blood again at some point so I guess I could consider it the better film. The ending, while odd, didn't completely ruin the entire film for me like No Country For Old Men did.
If I was to split those movies into four parts No Country would get perfect 10s for every part but the last which would get 0. Blood would get 8's and 9's for the first three parts and about a 6 for the last. So what makes for a better film? Does No Country's perfect first three quarters matter when it completely fails at the end?
Post by: vudu on May 12, 2008, 05:06:19 PM
NCFOM didn't wrap everything up in a neat package, and it lost points for that with a lot of people, but I really liked it. It wasn't immediately satisfying, but it leaves a lot of interpretation for the viewer. Tommy Lee Jones' descriptions of his dreams gave the movie enough closure in my mind.
The ending for TWBB was equally as awesome. You could see Plainview's eccentric tendencies snowballing during the entire film, especially the last third. He is a man who is very protective of his appearance. He banished his "son" when he becomes an embarrassment, and only takes him back once his sending him away becomes more of an embarrassment. Plainview's attack on Eli was in part a retaliation for the embarrassment that happened in the church many years prior.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 12, 2008, 07:59:44 PM
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NCFOM didn't wrap everything up in a neat package, and it lost points for that with a lot of people
That probably was what most people didn't like but for me it was the fact that they lied to me. They more or less promised a Moss/Chigurh showdown and didn't deliver. They could have kept everything else the same and I would have thought it was the best film I ever saw if they had Moss die on screen at Chigurh's hands. Or Moss and him meet up one last time and Moss appears to escape but then gets killed by the Mexicans. That would have been a bummer for Moss but at least something happens then. I don't care if the bad guys win. I don't care if the film ends with Tommy Lee Jones being a whiney old geezer. All I care about is the screwjob bait-and-switch.
No Country is like if Rocky didn't even get to fight Apollo.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 12, 2008, 09:28:48 PM
Post by: Dasmos on May 12, 2008, 10:59:42 PM
I watched it a few weeks ago. I really liked it. But There Will Be Blood was better.
Yes.
I found TWBB's ending to be hilarious and so over the top that i didn't care about what the ending was about. Then again I felt the same thing about the whole movie.
Oh? I don't get this.
Post by: IceCold on May 12, 2008, 11:58:03 PM
Post by: Svevan on May 13, 2008, 04:00:45 AM
They more or less promised a Moss/Chigurh showdown and didn't deliver.
Ian, this is your vital misreading of the film, and the reason the ending will never work for you.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 13, 2008, 12:17:01 PM
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Ian, this is your vital misreading of the film, and the reason the ending will never work for you.
I see more as the film makers mistelling the story. They focus a lot on the plot of Llewelyn Moss stumbling onto the aftermath of a drug bust gone wrong and then trying to get away with a large amount of drug money while being hunted down by a psycho sent to get the money back. In the end though they reveal that the film is more about an old sheriff retiring and how this last case for him is very disturbing and bothers him. The problem is that that character doesn't get much screen time until Moss dies. His only appearances are directly related to him following the case. Otherwise the film presents itself as if it's Moss's story. Until suddenly they screw 99% of the audience. Surprise! This spine-tingling thriller that has kept you on the edge of your seat the whole time is actually an artsy fartsy movie that will leave most of you unsatisfied! Thanks for the money, suckers!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 13, 2008, 12:32:02 PM
QuoteIan, this is your vital misreading of the film, and the reason the ending will never work for you.
I see more as the film makers mistelling the story. They focus a lot on the plot of Llewelyn Moss stumbling onto the aftermath of a drug bust gone wrong and then trying to get away with a large amount of drug money while being hunted down by a psycho sent to get the money back. In the end though they reveal that the film is more about an old sheriff retiring and how this last case for him is very disturbing and bothers him. The problem is that that character doesn't get much screen time until Moss dies. His only appearances are directly related to him following the case. Otherwise the film presents itself as if it's Moss's story. Until suddenly they screw 99% of the audience. Surprise! This spine-tingling thriller that has kept you on the edge of your seat the whole time is actually an artsy fartsy movie that will leave most of you unsatisfied! Thanks for the money, suckers!
Good point Ian. I've heard the film described as more of an "outsiders" perspective of things. In many ways the film appears to have focused too much on the "artistic" merits forgetting other components that also make up a complete movie. There is something to said, at least IMO, to balance "artistic" or "unique" aspects of a movie with cohesion that will make a viewer feel entertained in the end. I don't mind open ended endings, but this movie felt like it just died at the end and I felt like it had no real point when all things were said and done. It may be that the book just didn't translate well to film, I dunno (I may check out the book). The film had some great elements to it but I feel it didn't quite pull them together (Heck I wasn't even sure of the main Protagonist's fate because it took too much of an outsiders look).
