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Title: Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
Post by: stevey on November 23, 2007, 09:01:20 AM
Today I finally got a new computer after having my old one for 8 years and led me to a big problem, how the hell am I gonna get gigs of file off my old computer without spending the rest of my life doing so. My old computer only has a flop/zip drive (and my has laptop nether anyway) and Gmail has a 20mb per file limit So I wonder if anyone know how to set up a window 98-> Vista network? I tried but I can't get my old computer to show up....  

thanks in advance  
Title: RE:Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
Post by: vudu on November 23, 2007, 10:07:06 AM
It's probably not the idea solution, but Pando lets you upload/download files as big as 1 GB for free.  You could make a few zip files, upload them with your old computer and then download them onto your new one.
Title: RE:Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
Post by: Sister Mary LeFever on November 23, 2007, 11:51:39 AM
...Does the old one have an Ethernet port? Nevermind that question, I should have inferred tha to begin with form your opening post. I must confess, networking is the bane of my computer experience. Normally I am very good with them. But when it comes to networks. I get angry. I scream. I curse like a sailor.

What you would need to do is set up an ad-hoc network if you are connecting the two without a router, or a normal network if using a router. Either way, make sure to use a static IP address for both computers!
Title: RE:Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
Post by: Shift Key on November 23, 2007, 12:03:04 PM
Windows 98 is a pain to network with anything, let alone Vista.

I'd get a USB enclosure and plug your old hard drive into it. This requires you to open up your old system (these days its just a matter of getting a screwdriver, pretty easy) but it means that you can use the hard drive after you've moved the files over as a backup drive.

Here's an example of a few: http://www.cooldrives.com/usbenclosures.html

Title: RE: Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
Post by: Sister Mary LeFever on November 23, 2007, 12:05:12 PM
Shift_Key's plan would be the most foolproof, I feel.
Title: RE:Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
Post by: Shift Key on November 23, 2007, 01:46:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Sister Mary LeFever
Shift_Key's plan would be the most foolproof, I feel.


Yeah, so much can go wrong with networking and configuring a network simply for a one-off transfer of files isn't the most productive use of time, especially if you aren't familiar with it.

Networking without a router requires (a bare minimum and off the top of my head)
  • Crossover cable (Ethernet cable that is wired differently to standard cable).
  • Both computers on the same workgroup.
  • Distinct IP addresses with the same network configuration.
  • Filesharing enables on both systems.
  • User access configured accordingly (and this can be different depending on which host initiates the transfer).

    Definitely look at alternatives if you aren't familiar with it.
    • Title: RE:Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
    Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on November 23, 2007, 03:31:10 PM
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    Originally posted by: Shift Key
  • Crossover cable (Ethernet cable that is wired differently to standard cable)..


    • Heh, there was my problem.  Wish I knew that before...

    And yeah, I recommend listening to Shift_Key. Plus, later you can re-use the enclosure for a portable drive.  
    Title: RE:Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
    Post by: Shift Key on November 23, 2007, 03:41:27 PM
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    Originally posted by: Sir_Stabbalot
    Heh, there was my problem.  Wish I knew that before...


    The cable has to be wired internally in a different fashion when its connected a computer to a computer, rather than to a router or switch.

    http://ftp.ipsyn.net/pub/mirrors/cabling/T568B_scheme_opt.jpg
    Title: RE: Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
    Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on November 23, 2007, 04:02:46 PM
    So that's why my buddie's laptop refused to connect to mine...
    Title: RE:Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
    Post by: MarioAllStar on November 23, 2007, 05:04:43 PM
    When dealing with Windows machines, I have (once) used ftpdmin. Open it on the old machine and its ready.

    Go to the new machine and open Windows Explorer. Type in "ftp://192.168.1.1/" but change the IP address if you have to. You can now access all your old files. This would probably be easier if both systems connected to a router instead of directly to each other. (Security note: don't use this on an Internet-enabled unfirewalled PC. It is insecure by design.)

    Another option is to buy one of those USB transfer cables. They work nicely.
    Title: RE: Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
    Post by: Athrun Zala on November 25, 2007, 08:44:29 AM
    Shifty's idea is the best and most practical ^^

    regarding crossover cables, if both network cards are relatively new, there is no need for one (the cards do the crossover internally)
    Title: RE: Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
    Post by: ShyGuy on November 25, 2007, 03:21:22 PM
    The easiest kludge would be to pull the hard drive out of the old system and slave into the new box. Then copy the desired files to a folder on the new hard drive and you're good. (I recommend Beyond Compare for file copying)
    Title: RE: Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
    Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 25, 2007, 04:10:50 PM
    Geez just burn everything to DVDs.
    Title: RE:Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
    Post by: Shift Key on November 25, 2007, 07:48:54 PM
    Quote
    Originally posted by: ShyGuy
    The easiest kludge would be to pull the hard drive out of the old system and slave into the new box. Then copy the desired files to a folder on the new hard drive and you're good. (I recommend Beyond Compare for file copying)


    He's trying to move the data onto a laptop. Have you even tried to find the ATA cables on a laptop, let alone tried to plug in another drive?
    Title: RE: Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
    Post by: Ceric on November 26, 2007, 08:18:57 AM
    You know back in the day, Windows 3.11.  Microsoft had this great utility with it that you could just link to computers together with a null modem cable and were able to push and pull files across.  If the other machine didn't have it that was ok it just push a copy onto the other one and have at it.  Ah the less secure days...
    Title: RE: Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
    Post by: UltimatePartyBear on November 26, 2007, 08:43:50 AM
    I remember seeing "null modem cable" mentioned in the manuals of multiplayer games back then.  I never did find out what that meant.
    Title: RE:Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
    Post by: ShyGuy on November 26, 2007, 04:52:56 PM
    Sorry, I missed that it was a notebook. Still, USB to IDE cables are cheap.
    Title: RE:Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
    Post by: Ceric on November 27, 2007, 08:43:53 AM
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    Originally posted by: PartyBear
    I remember seeing "null modem cable" mentioned in the manuals of multiplayer games back then.  I never did find out what that meant.


    In all intents and purposes it's a serial cable.  I once tried to install Warcraft 2 over a Null Modem Cable back in the day... Took over half a day...
    Title: RE: Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
    Post by: Stogi on November 27, 2007, 09:11:47 AM
    Buy an external.

    Use it.

    Return external.

    Shady? Well f*ck yea it is.

    Free and easy? Definitely.

    Just do it to some company you don't like anyways; like walmart.
    Title: RE: Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
    Post by: stevey on December 09, 2007, 08:45:43 AM
    Thanks to you...

    In case anyone want to know, I used shift idea

    P.S. on an unrelated note photo bucket suck for not allowing flash upload anymore....      
    Title: RE: Home network/MASSIVE file transfer help!
    Post by: Shecky on December 11, 2007, 12:07:54 AM
    Now let this be a lesson to all... Windows is not a platform built with networking in mind.

    I would have gotten one or two copies of your favorite Linux live CDs... Knoppix, Mandriva, Ubuntu.

    Boot at least the 98 computer using this CD and readonly mount the windows drive in question.
    On the Vista machine grab WinSCP (or if you have a Fat32 partition to write to just pop a CD into that computer as well)

    Connect the two machines with an Ethernet cable... probably doesn't matter if it's a cross or not as the vista machine likely has an auto-sensing port.  Then give the machines addresses and SCP your files over the net.

    It would be faster cheaper and easier than trying to anything in Windoze.

    Edit: It would also have been years faster than USB 1.1 which is likely what's on your 98 machine.