Post by: MegaByte on September 13, 2007, 08:42:41 PM
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=14387
Hot on the heels of the Neo-Geo announcement, Hudson has revealed that PC Engine CD-ROM² and Super CD-ROM² (TurboGrafx-CD in the US) games will soon be released on Virtual Console. Starting in October, Hudson expects to release at least five titles this year and an additional ten or more games next year. The planned price is 800 Wii Points (regular PC Engine games cost 600 points).
There is not yet any official word on which games will be available, however, Hudson has promised that CD titles will launch in all four world regions. The press release did provide sample screenshots of two titles, the classic RPG Ys Book I & II and an oddball shooter called Cho Aniki. It is also not clear how the games will be packaged since an uncompressed version of a CD-ROM game could be larger than the entire Wii flash memory.
Post by: Kairon on September 13, 2007, 09:46:02 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 13, 2007, 09:55:43 PM
Also I think these are the first two CD games to hit, since they're on the site that broke the news.
EROTIC SHOOTER.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 13, 2007, 10:52:39 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 13, 2007, 10:53:55 PM
Post by: TMW on September 14, 2007, 01:57:23 AM
Oh well. Any other good PCECD games?
Post by: Tanookisuit on September 14, 2007, 02:32:22 AM
Post by: planetidiot on September 14, 2007, 02:55:02 AM
Post by: Neodymium on September 14, 2007, 03:02:52 AM
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Originally posted by: TMW
The only reason I was hoping for the PC Engine CD Rom was so I could get some Rondo of Blood action going on...but its going to be available on the PSP next month...
Oh well. Any other good PCECD games?
Ys I and II is fantastic, there are several amazing shooters, and a lot more that I can't think of on short notice because I've been out of the whole collection and retrogaming scene for too long.
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on September 14, 2007, 04:20:18 AM
Post by: cubist on September 14, 2007, 04:22:12 AM
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Originally posted by: insanolord
Hopefully this is confirmation of a storage expansion add-on of some kind.
My thoughts exactly. The only problem: How do you boot off of the storage expansion and/or SD card?
Post by: ShyGuy on September 14, 2007, 04:34:28 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2007, 05:05:00 AM
I also bet it will include a new feature or two that will be needed to support the massive success of the VC.
Didn't Reggie mention that something was going down this month?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 14, 2007, 05:35:07 AM
And after the Saturn I wan't the Dreamcast. Give me Armada, and maybe a WiiWare version of Armada 2: Star Command, the online-enabled sequel that never materialized.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 14, 2007, 06:32:34 AM
I don't know about that. I've heard Saturn emulation is really hard due to the complexity of the original hardware.
The VC just keeps getting better but as others have said Nintendo needs a better method of storing games now that larger titles are avaiable. I still want GB/GBC. There's no reason why Nintendo isn't offering that. You can't buy those games in stores anymore. To me, that's the requirement for the VC. Any format Nintendo can obtain the rights for (ie: not Playstation) that isn't available in stores anymore should be on there and with the Gameboy Nintendo doesn't even have to negotiate with anyone. It's entirely their decision.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 14, 2007, 07:39:41 AM
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Post by: Louieturkey on September 14, 2007, 08:35:46 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
CHO ANIKI!
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Wasn't a spiritual sequel just announced for this game as a WiiWare title?
Ian: Emulation could happen if Sega were the ones making the emulator for it. They probably have a better chance at getting it right than anyone.
Post by: that Baby guy on September 14, 2007, 08:52:02 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"This is awesome. You know what's next... SATURN!!!"
I don't know about that. I've heard Saturn emulation is really hard due to the complexity of the original hardware.
The VC just keeps getting better but as others have said Nintendo needs a better method of storing games now that larger titles are avaiable. I still want GB/GBC. There's no reason why Nintendo isn't offering that. You can't buy those games in stores anymore. To me, that's the requirement for the VC. Any format Nintendo can obtain the rights for (ie: not Playstation) that isn't available in stores anymore should be on there and with the Gameboy Nintendo doesn't even have to negotiate with anyone. It's entirely their decision.
To go along with Ian and Louie Turkey, I think that if anyone could create a powerful emulator of the Saturn, it would be Sega. Back in the day, Sega knew hardware. They knew how to push the limits of their systems, and they knew how to do some pretty complicated things. For instance, Sega was able to emulate NES games using the genesis, and this was pretty much back in a time when emulation was basically unheard of. To emulate a console that's only one generation below the one you're using as an emulator is a pretty difficult thing to do, IIRC.
So basically, I'm saying that if any of Sega's hardware wizards remain, I think they'd be able to do it.
Post by: Kairon on September 14, 2007, 09:06:01 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 14, 2007, 09:08:54 AM
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So basically, I'm saying that if any of Sega's hardware wizards remain, I think they'd be able to do it.
I think the only wizards that remain at Sega are of the fraudulent nature.
Post by: planetidiot on September 17, 2007, 02:20:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"This is awesome. You know what's next... SATURN!!!"
I still want GB/GBC. There's no reason why Nintendo isn't offering that. You can't buy those games in stores anymore. To me, that's the requirement for the VC. Any format Nintendo can obtain the rights for (ie: not Playstation) that isn't available in stores anymore should be on there and with the Gameboy Nintendo doesn't even have to negotiate with anyone. It's entirely their decision.
I'm guessing they're waiting for their next portable system, which I'm guessing will support VC games in some way. To most people, playing a gameboy game in front of the tv is a fairly weak experience.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 17, 2007, 03:40:02 AM
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This is awesome. You know what's next... SATURN!!!
More like Master System.
America needs to experience all the awesome SMS games Europe and Japan were enjoying.
Post by: UERD on September 17, 2007, 04:45:19 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 17, 2007, 06:08:53 AM
That's probably a fair guess though it kind of sucks for us until then. Though knowing Nintendo the DS won't last a full five years before its replaced just like how the GBC and GBA didn't. The portable VC might appear sooner than later.
Still Nintendo could make even more money if they had TWO Virtual Consoles, one for the consoles and one for the portables. It's total rip-off bullsh!t BUT I think the endless GBA ports (as well as the DS launching with a port as the only first party game and selling regardless) shows that people will gladly (by that I mean stupidly) buy a game they already own again just to play it on a portable. After all many games that appeared on the GBA, that are thus playable on the DS, are available on the VC. Nintendo doesn't seem worried that Super Mario Bros on the VC is going to hurt GBA Super Mario Bros sales or vice versa.
And I've never met anyone until now that found playing Gameboy games on a TV a weak experience. Why would anyone think that? No rinky dink screen, no battery concerns, no comfort problems. Seems like the luxurious way to play Gameboy games.
"More like Master System."
The Genesis is actually backwards compatible with the SMS. The adapter was really just a cartridge slot. All the actual hardware was in the Genesis itself so it probably is not very hard at all for them to release SMS games.
Post by: that Baby guy on September 17, 2007, 06:40:20 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 17, 2007, 01:59:42 PM
Pretty please Sega?
Post by: planetidiot on September 18, 2007, 04:09:04 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Still Nintendo could make even more money if they had TWO Virtual Consoles, one for the consoles and one for the portables. It's total rip-off bullsh!t BUT I think the endless GBA ports (as well as the DS launching with a port as the only first party game and selling regardless) shows that people will gladly (by that I mean stupidly) buy a game they already own again just to play it on a portable. After all many games that appeared on the GBA, that are thus playable on the DS, are available on the VC. Nintendo doesn't seem worried that Super Mario Bros on the VC is going to hurt GBA Super Mario Bros sales or vice versa.
And I've never met anyone until now that found playing Gameboy games on a TV a weak experience. Why would anyone think that? No rinky dink screen, no battery concerns, no comfort problems. Seems like the luxurious way to play Gameboy games.
"More like Master System."
The Genesis is actually backwards compatible with the SMS. The adapter was really just a cartridge slot. All the actual hardware was in the Genesis itself so it probably is not very hard at all for them to release SMS games.
I think it's a weak experience. 4 shades of gray on a square pixelated screen with beep boop sound playing a watered down NES game is pretty weak IMO. Put it on a portable and it's not as bad. Just my opinion of course, but then there's no gameboy games on VC, so someone else out there thinks it isn't a great idea either. If you're referring to GBA games, the GBA line isn't quite discontinued yet. They won't be putting Gamecube games on VC any time soon either. I think the idea is to sell classic games you can't get any more. GBA will be around for a while, even after they stop manufacturing them, and you can still play them on the DS.
Regardless of what (if anything) they plan to do with portable VC, I would hope that they only charge you once for the game. They could work something where you can "check out" the game from your Wii to one portable system at a time or some DRM goofery like that. Which of course introduces headaches like, "my portable system broke/got stolen, and now my game is checked out forever." But it's either that or buy another copy for the portable, so I'll hope for the former along with some lenient support folks who can make it all better pretty quickly.
As for the master system, as I understand it, the power base converter just used the Genesis's sound chip (a z-80) as the main cpu (which was the SMS cpu), along with the controller inputs, power and video out. So I think there was some extra stuff going on there besides a cartridge adapter. I'm curious if the PBC had it's own sound chip, as the SMS used a Yamaha YM2413 FM chip for sound, and I'm not sure the Genesis had one on board. The SMS hardware was however identical to the Game Gear (with a slightly higher resolution on the SMS). But yeah, there's no reason for them not to release SMS games regardless.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 18, 2007, 07:42:43 AM
"The Power Base Converter does not contain any SMS components, instead functioning as a pass-through device."
So that's what I'm going on for backwards compatibility. It looks like all the hardware for the SMS is in the Genesis itself except the cartridge slot's aren't compatible. It's like how the GBA has the GBC hardware itself included.
"4 shades of gray on a square pixelated screen with beep boop sound playing a watered down NES game is pretty weak IMO."
Doesn't seem much different than 4 shades of green on a small blurry non-backlit screen with beep boop sound playing a watered down NES game.
To me it's as simple as this: Link's Awakening. Can you get that game in stores anymore? No. So Nintendo ought to do something about that.
Post by: UncleBob on September 18, 2007, 07:48:17 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
To me it's as simple as this: Link's Awakening. Can you get that game in stores anymore? No. So Nintendo ought to do something about that.
I agree with this post.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 18, 2007, 08:05:50 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
To me it's as simple as this: Link's Awakening. Can you get that game in stores anymore? No. So Nintendo ought to do something about that.
I agree with this post.
Link's Awakening needs to stay buried.
Post by: Mashiro on September 18, 2007, 01:19:02 PM
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Originally posted by: UncleBobQuote
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
To me it's as simple as this: Link's Awakening. Can you get that game in stores anymore? No. So Nintendo ought to do something about that.
I agree with this post.
Link's Awakening needs to stay buried.
I get castrated for saying the game isn't the best game ever and no one replies to GP?
Sexual bias CONFIRMED.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 18, 2007, 01:26:06 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 18, 2007, 05:45:26 PM
Quoteonly if we get Snatcher... oh, and Lunar...
Originally posted by: Kairon
I'd be happy with Sega CD, honestly.
