Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 02, 2007, 06:55:37 AM
On another forum that I visit the unveiling of the Wario Ware stage in Brawl has opened a Pandora's box of hate and annoyance towards the series, some of them calling it stupid and boring.
This is certainly not the first time I've seen fans express some sort of dislike towards the series and as much as I love the series I understand to an extend why the hate.
First of all, Nintendo seems to favor it over the Wario Land series, Wario's first independent series away from the Mario universe. That series was already developed and featured a very unique look to Bizarro Wario. The series had a very dynamic gameplay mechanic in which Wario was transformed into a lot of stuff just to accomplish the goal of the stage. The games also featured some very quirky humor that is very Wario. Its no wonder those series had its very loyal following, myself being part of it.
Then came Wario Ware, a messed up series that took the gaming world by storm. Wario Land's "charming" appeal was updated to acid trip status, featuring gameplay that is best defined as spastic. But best of all it gave Wario an even more original universe, giving him a brand new setting and characters to work it. It made him even more independent from the Mario universe. The original GBA game proved to be a hit and thus Nintendo made some more. Its such a big hit that the original WL series took a backseat (even if Master of Disguise was made it flopped and was a critical failure), which would lead towards some hate from the fans.
And now that Wario is finally in Brawl he is featured in his Wario Ware uniform and has a stage based on the series (with an original character showing up as a playable character more than likely) it seems to have fanned the flames even more. What about Wario's dash? Wario's castle? Cpt. Syrup? His transforming caps? What about his form changing powers? It looks as if Wario's other life has been forgotten at Nintendo...
In my opinion as much as I love both Wario series I favor the WW series a tad more if only because of the universe they created just for him. Plus the games make for a very lively evening. But it is unfortunate that Wario Land seems to have been forgotten at Nintendo.
So, what are your thoughts? Do you have a hate towards the WW series or are you neutral?
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 02, 2007, 06:56:55 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 02, 2007, 07:38:25 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Anyone who hates Wario Ware must hate life in general...
Or like that PSP monstrosity known as Work Time Fun.
Post by: Kairon on September 02, 2007, 08:25:24 AM
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 02, 2007, 06:28:31 PM
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Originally posted by: UncleBob
You know, the first Wario Ware was awesome. And while I've purchased every one since then (even the GCN 'port'), I don't feel any of them are as awesome as the first.
Pretty much.
I thought Twisted and Touched! were really good, but just couldn't compare to the 100%AWESOMEONACART that was the original.
Post by: Shift Key on September 02, 2007, 06:43:46 PM
You can't release the same formula of game and expect it to be better when you lobotomize the best feature of it (party mode) and add in some Wiimote functionality - which itself isn't great at times and just leaves you to flail around a bit and hope for the best.
Same thing with Mario Party 8 - except it has multiplayer. The series started out as a party game, unlike WW, and they've managed to mutate this part of the game into something ugly. The fun parts are separated by long breaks which is a real killjoy, making it easy to play Strikers instead.
Considering there had been six games released since my previous Mario Party experience, and it reminded me of the original game, this is pretty annoying.
There have been some great party games for the Wii, but considering these are first party titles its been a pretty disappointing effort from Nintendo. I'd like to think that they'd improve the series but these recent versions indicate that ports are the easier thing to do.
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Post by: Michael8983 on September 03, 2007, 12:38:06 AM
"Classic Wario" could still be an unlockable player. There may even be a matching stage.
Post by: SixthAngel on September 03, 2007, 02:16:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Shift Key
Smooth Moves' lack of multiplayer pretty much killed all of my interest in the game after the first hour. I've had multiplayer nights with the Cube version which were awesome and I eagerly picked up the Wii version thinking it would be more of the same.
You can't release the same formula of game and expect it to be better when you lobotomize the best feature of it (party mode) and add in some Wiimote functionality - which itself isn't great at times and just leaves you to flail around a bit and hope for the best.
Same thing with Mario Party 8 - except it has multiplayer. The series started out as a party game, unlike WW, and they've managed to mutate this part of the game into something ugly. The fun parts are separated by long breaks which is a real killjoy, making it easy to play Strikers instead.
Considering there had been six games released since my previous Mario Party experience, and it reminded me of the original game, this is pretty annoying.
There have been some great party games for the Wii, but considering these are first party titles its been a pretty disappointing effort from Nintendo. I'd like to think that they'd improve the series but these recent versions indicate that ports are the easier thing to do.
I remember playing smooth moves multiplayer with my friends a bunch of times. Not having it unlocked right away is very different then not having it at all.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 03, 2007, 10:24:56 AM
Post by: Michael8983 on September 03, 2007, 06:18:13 PM
It's still multiplayer, just taking turns. Like in Mario Bros, Mario Bros 3, and Mario World.
Sure there should have been an option for multiple remotes but then you'd be limited to just four players or however many remotes you happen to have.
Also, there IS a simultaneous multiplayer game, but you have to unlock it.
Post by: Mario on September 03, 2007, 06:54:23 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 03, 2007, 06:56:44 PM
Personally I don't like WarioWare, not just because I got bored of the first game when playing the in-store demo, but because the series itself seems to represent Nintendo's shift in focus to non-gamers. They released this collection of really simple microgames and it became a surprise hit. Then the next time Nintendo made a speech it was the debut of their whole non-gamer plan and they used the success of WarioWare as an example. Both the DS and Wii launched with what I would consider pretty weak lineups (Zelda doesn't count because no one needs a Wii to play it) and some lame-o WarioWare game was one of the first titles. It's bad enough for Nintendo to make a game I don't like. It happens to everyone. But it's worst when it becomes one of their main focuses and they start milking the crap out of it. Now it's hard for me to just dislike it since it has influenced so much of what Nintendo has become. I can't just ignore it. Nintendo EXPECTS me to buy WarioWare games like they expect me to buy Mario and Zelda. When designing both the DS and the Wii controller you can tell "how would they work for WarioWare" was something they were taking into account. To me WarioWare is like if DK Jr. Math was the big selling NES title and Nintendo designed the SNES with the intent to create better educational games.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 03, 2007, 08:24:15 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on September 03, 2007, 08:38:24 PM
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Calm down Ian, it's still Wario. No need for explosions of text. Change his hat-with-goggles to his yellow hat and there you go, Wario Land Wario. Maybe they'll have the option of changing his hat just for you.
I don't know. None of his currently-revealed moves seem to have any resemblance to anything he did in the old Wario Land games.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 03, 2007, 09:59:17 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on September 03, 2007, 11:01:53 PM
Post by: Shift Key on September 04, 2007, 12:16:28 AM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
I remember playing smooth moves multiplayer with my friends a bunch of times. Not having it unlocked right away is very different then not having it at all.
Really? Because not having the minigames unlocked from the start ruined my Mario Party experience. I was looking to play some minigames between friends when I realised that I had to play the board game to unlock these. Sure, its fun for those people who like board games, but I stopped playing board games after the epic week-long Monopoly games that turned my childhood from fun to war. I just want to play the damn game.
Its the same thing here. You're telling me that I have to play the game to earn the right to play a part of the game that was available pro bono in previous games? That sounds like the point you are trying to convey so please clarify this. I'm dying to see how that grass is on the other side.
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I would be disappointed if they included the old Wario. Warioware Wario has so many unique things he could do that border on realistic to absolutely ridiculous while regular was much more boring and started out as a Mario knockoff. Now that Wario has finally separated himself from the plumber there is no need to move him back especially when the differences would mean a lot in different fighting game characters.
Wario Ware Wario is a character. You don't play as him. You play minigames under his moniker.
There is no character development.
He doesn't conquer evil.
He doesn't get the girl.
He's just a character. You might have a great time playing his games but he's nothing more than a imitator with a big caboose.
PS: Get a dictionary. Ten bucks says you don't know what a moniker is.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 04, 2007, 08:12:57 AM
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Originally posted by: Shift KeyWario Ware Wario is a character. You don't play as him. You play minigames under his moniker.
There is no character development.
He doesn't conquer evil.
He doesn't get the girl.
He's just a character. You might have a great time playing his games but he's nothing more than a imitator with a big caboose.
PS: Get a dictionary. Ten bucks says you don't know what a moniker is.
I have to slightly disagree with this. Yes, he is just a character and you play his games, but that doesn't mean he lacks a presence. And he WAS given an unique development of character. First of, he now lives in a brand new world outside the Mario universe (technically, he was already living outside the Mario universe in the Wario Land games, but Diamond City is far more original), has a different story, interacts with brand new characters and has a different purpose. He still possesses the same personality but his existence is different, and I have come to accept it.
Ian pretty much proves my point that there ARE Nintendo fans that feel betrayed by the sudden Wario change.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 04, 2007, 08:20:35 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 04, 2007, 08:23:18 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Ian pretty much proves my point that there ARE Nintendo fans that feel betrayed by the sudden Wario change.
Yeah but Ian is always feeling betrayed, so I don't think I'd use him as an example.
Post by: Michael8983 on September 04, 2007, 05:42:50 PM
If Warioware didn't exist, and Brawl featured classic Wario I guarantee that some of the same people would be complaining that he's just a slower/fatter/stronger Mario clone.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 04, 2007, 11:39:06 PM
