Post by: Bill Aurion on August 09, 2007, 02:18:31 PM
How to Play
5/22 - The Basic Rules
5/29 - What is a Final Smash?
5/30 - Moving and Shooting
6/06 - You must recover!
7/05 - Smash Attacks
7/09 - Standard Combos
7/26 - Footstool Jump (Bounce off enemy heads)
8/16 - Tether Recovery (ZSS + Link + ?)
8/28 - Four Special Move Types (Meta Knight's move-set)
8/30 - Gliding (Pit, Meta Knight, Charizard)
10/04 - Shielding & Dodging (It's back, no surprise there!)
10/17 - How to Use the Wii Remote (Bu...But there's not enough buttons!)
11/02 - On-Screen Appearances (Intros return!)
11/07 - Grab and Throw (Shield, then attack to grab!)
11/13 - Three Different Taunts (Link's crappy Melee taunt is GONE!)
11/21 - Color Changes (COLORS!)
11/23 - Charged Special Moves (Charge for massive damage!)
12/05 - The Battle for the Smash Ball (There it is! Get it! Get it!)
Game Modes
6/08 - Four Kinds of Control - Wiimote/+Nunchuk/Classic/Gamecube Controllers
6/28 - Names - Custom controls attached to player profile
7/20 - This World... - ??? (Adventure Mode?)
8/03 - What is the Subspace Emissary? (ADVENTURE MODE!)
8/15 - Stickers (New Collectible)
8/21 - The Subspace Army (Hey, hey, I see R.O.B. and Petey!)
8/24 - Petey Piranha *Boss music*
9/03 - Pit's Descent (Adventure Mode cutscene)
9/07 - MY MUSIC - NEW COLLECTIBLE; CHOOSE YOUR BRAWLING SONGS! MULTIPLE SONGS PER STAGE!
9/13 - Special Brawl (Edit the rules of battle as you see fit...)
9/18 - WI-FI CONNECTION (ONLINE PLAY CONFIRMED)
9/19 - The Enemies From Subspace (Poppant is the best enemy ever! Extra-large pants? Candy? WIN!)
9/24 - TROPHIES (Ooccoo! Tingle!)
9/28 - Tourney (Sakurai is a jerk! ='D)
10/02 - Snake Joins the Brawl! (Mario VS Solid Snake)
10/05 - TEAM (Co-op in Adventure Mode!)
10/10 - Sonic Joins the Brawl! (The Nintendo/Sega rivalry can be relived!)
10/10 - Nintendo Conference Fall 2007 Movie (My pants, they are wet!)
10/12 - TAKING SNAPSHOTS (Snapshots without a Camera Mode! WiFi and SD Card save!)
10/16 - STADIUM: Home-Run Contest (It's back and better than before!)
10/23 - Donkey Kong Makes His Stand (Adventure Mode cutscene)
10/24 - STADIUM: Target Smash! + Replay Save (5 maps + 3 minutes of saved replay)
10/29 - STAGE BUILDER (BUILD YOUR OWN MAP! SEND AND HAVE SENT TO YOU!)
10/30 - Classic (Classic Mode is back, of course!)
11/05 - Fox's Misfortune (Fox - 1, Rayquaza - 0)
11/14 - Handicap (0% HP is for punks...)
11/16 - Spectator (Gamble all your coins away!)
11/20 - Training (Practice, practice, practice!)
11/26 - Controls (You use a controller to play the game!)
11/27 - Widescreen Support (For HD fans)
11/29 - Events (Event Mode returns!)
12/03 - Friend List (Hahaha, Nate is awesome...)
12/07 - With Anyone/Basic Brawl (CPU replaces Player on drop-out!)
12/11 - Rotation (Sharing is good!)
12/12 - Options (Lots and lots!)
12/17 - Co-op Events (Event Mode & Target Smash Co-op!)
12/21 - Subspace Emissary Movie (Mmmm...Epic...)
12/24 - Overalls Wario (Nothing beats the classic!)
12/26 - Trophy Stands (Make trophies out of enemies! RAYQUAZA!)
12/27 - Coin Launcher (Shoot coins, get trophies! WATCH OUT FOR MISSLES!)
12/28 - Share (Share snaps with your friends!)
1/08 - STADIUM: Multi-Man Brawl (Introducing the Fighting Alloy Team! Co-op and online!)
Characters (Count: 23, not including ZSS)
5/23 - Mario (The Plumber)
5/23 - Link (The Chosen Hero)
5/25 - Pit (The Angel)
6/07 - Pikachu (The Electric Mouse)
6/07 - Kirby (The Pink Blob Who Eats All In His Path)
6/11 - Fox McCloud (The Mercenary Vulpes In Tight Pants)
6/15 - Samus Aran (The Bounty Hunter)
6/20 - Wario (The Minigame Fiend)
6/25 - Zelda (The Triforce of Wisdom)
7/03 - Bowser (The King of Koopas)
7/12 - Donkey Kong (The King of Swing)
7/19 - Zero Suit Samus (The Flesh Under the Armor)
7/24 - Yoshi (The Dinosaur)
8/01 - Ike (The Lord)
8/13 - Pokémon Trainer (Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard) (The Champion)
8/17 - Peach (The Damsel in Distress)
8/22 - Diddy Kong (The Sidekick)
9/05 - Meta Knight (The Anti-Hero)
9/14 - Ice Climbers (The Eskimo Combo)
9/21 - Snake (The Commando)
10/01 - Lucas (The Psychic Stick-User)
10/10 - Sonic (The Hedgehog)
10/25 - King Dedede (The King of Dream Land)
1/09 - Pikmin & Olimar (The Scavenger)
Special Moves
5/28 - Pit - (B) Palutena Arrow ~ (Up+B) Wings of Icarus
6/21 - Fox McCloud - (B) Blaster ~ (Down+B) Reflector
6/29 - Wario - (Down+B) Wario Waft ~ (Over+B) Wario Chopper
8/07 - Ike - (B) Eruption ~ (Up+B) Aether
8/13 - Pokémon Trainer - (Down+B) Pokémon Change
8/20 - Link - (B) Hero's Bow ~ (Up+B) Spin Attack ~ (Down+B) Bomb ~ (Over+B) Gale Boomerang
8/28 - Metaknight - (B) Mach Tornado ~ (Up+B) Shuttle Loop ~ (Down+B) Dimensional Cape ~ (Over+B) Triple Dash
8/29 - Pokémon Trainer - There is no way I'm typing up 6 moves, it'd be messy... =3
9/04 - Diddy Kong - (B) Peanut Popgun ~ (Up + B) Rocketbarrel Boost
9/06 - Mario - (Down + B) F.L.U.D.D. (Mario Tornado now aerial Down+A)
9/21 - Snake - (B) Hand Grenade ~ (Up+B) Cypher ~ (Over+B) Remote Missile
10/08 - Zero Suit Samus - (B) Paralyzer ~ (Up+B) Plasma Wire ~ (Over+B) Plasma Whip
10/11 - Sonic - (Up+B) Spring Jump ~ (Down+B) Spin Charge ~ (Over+B) Spin Dash
10/26 - King Dedede - (Up+B) Super Dedede Jump ~ (Down+B) Jet Hammer ~ (Over+B) Waddle Dee Toss
11/08 - Lucas - (B) PK Freeze ~ (Up+B) PK Thunder ~ (Down+B) PSI Magnet ~ (Over+B) PK Fire
12/20 - Kirby - (B) Inhale
1/11 - Pikmin & Olimar - (B) Pikmin Pluck ~ (Up+B) Pikmin Chain ~ (Down+B) Pikmin Order ~ Pikmin Throw
Final Smash
5/29 - Mario - Mario Finale
6/18 - Link - Triforce Slash
6/19 - Pikachu - Volt Tackle
7/04 - Bowser - Giga Bowser Transformation
7/18 - Samus - Zero Laser
7/30 - Donkey Kong - Konga Beat
8/09 - Pit - Palutena's Army
8/23 - Yoshi - Super Dragon
9/25 - Diddy Kong - Rocketbarrel Barrage
9/27 - Pokémon Trainer - Triple Finish (Hydro Pump, Solar Beam, Fire Blast)
10/04 - Fox - Landmaster
10/09 - Kirby - Cook Kirby
10/19 - Peach - Peach Blossom
11/01 - Meta Knight - Galaxia Darkness
11/12 - Ike - Great Aether
11/19 - Ice Climbers - Iceberg
11/23 - Lucas - PK Starstorm
11/27 - Wario - Wario-Man
12/06 - King Dedede - Waddle Dee Army
12/25 - Sonic - Super Sonic
Lacking Profile
Zero Suit Samus - Crystal Flash
Stages (Count: 25)
5/22 - Battlefield
6/01 - Delfino Plaza (Mario Sunshine)
6/12 - Yoshi's Island
6/22 - Lylat Cruise (Star Fox)
7/06 - Bridge of Eldin (Twilight Princess)
7/13 - Smashville (Animal Crossing)
7/23 - Rumble Falls (Donkey Kong Jungle Beat)
7/25 - Skyworld (Kid Icarus)
8/02 - Castle Siege (Fire Emblem)
8/31 - WarioWare
9/06 - Pokémon Stadium 2
9/12 - Battleship Halberd (Kirby Super Star)
10/02 - Shadow Moses Island (Metal Gear Solid)
10/15 - New Pork City (Mother 3)
10/22 - PictoChat (Nintendo DS)
10/31 - The Summit (Ice Climber)
11/09 - Norfair (Metroid)
11/30 - Hyrule Temple (Melee Stage) (Zelda II: Adventure of Link)
12/13 - Mario Circuit (Mario Kart)
12/18 - Frigate Orpheon (Metroid Prime)
1/07 - Yoshi's Island (Melee Stage) (Super Mario World)
1/07 - Corneria (Melee Stage) (Star Fox 64)
1/07 - Onett (Melee Stage) (Earthbound/Mother 2)
1/07 - Brinstar (Melee Stage) (Metroid)
1/07 - Rainbow Ride (Melee Stage) (Super Mario 64)
Items
5/24 - Gooey Bomb - New Item - SSBB Exclusive
5/29 - Smash Ball - New Item - SSBB Exclusive
5/31 - Cracker Launcher - New Item - SSBB Exclusive
6/05 - Poké Ball - Return Item - Pokémon
6/14 - Crates/Barrels - Return Item - SSB Exclusive
6/27 - Banana Peel - New Item - Mario Kart
7/02 - Assist Trophy - New Item - SSBB Exclusive
7/11 - Bumper - Return Item (Original SSB) - SSB Exclusive
7/31 - Pitfall - New Item - Animal Crossing
8/06 - Smoke Ball - New Item - SSBB Exclusive
8/10 - Franklin Badge - New Item - Mother (Earthbound) series
8/27 - Superspicy Curry - New Item - Kirby's Dream Land
9/07 - CD - New Item - SSBB Exclusive (Collect to add to your music collection!)
9/17 - Golden Hammer - New Item - Wrecking Crew
11/06 - Beam Sword, Fire Flower, Freezie, Home-Run Bat, Party Ball, Super Mushroom - Returning Items
11/20 - Smart Bomb - New Item - Star Fox
12/19 - Team Healer - New Item - SSBB Exclusive
12/28 - Dragoon - New Item - Kirby Air Ride
Lacking profile
Super Scope
Lip's Stick
Hammer
Mr. Saturn
Warp Star
Paper Fan
Poison Mushroom
Food
Maximum Tomato
Heart Container (Twilight Princess version)
Starman
Motion Sensor Bomb
Capsule
Star Rod
Bob-omb
Ray Gun
Green Shell
New Item - Unira (Clu Clu Land)(?)
New Item - Stop Watch
New Item - Soccer Ball
New Item - Lightning Bolt
New Item - Sandbag
Assist Trophies
7/02 - Samurai Goro - F-Zero
7/10 - Dr. Wright - SimCity
7/27 - Knuckle Joe - Kirby Super Star
8/14 - Devil - Devil World
8/28 - Andross - Star Fox
9/11 - Lyn - Fire Emblem: Rekka no Ken
9/26 - Mr. Resetti - Animal Crossing
10/03 - Excitebike - Excitebike
10/03 - Lakitu - Super Mario Bros.
10/18 - Little Mac - Punch Out!
11/07 - Gray Fox - Metal Gear Solid
11/22 - Saki Amamiya - Sin & Punishment: Successor to the Earth
12/14 - Waluigi - Mario Tennis 64
12/14 - Stafy - Densetsu no Stafy [Japan-Only]
Lacking profile
Hammer Bros.
Nintendog
Orange Star Army Sprites
Jill (Drill Dozer)
Metroid
Duster (Mother 3)
Rosalina (Super Mario Galaxy)
Sothe (Fire Emblem)
Pegasus Knights (Fire Emblem)
Birdo
Tingle
Poké Ball Pokémon
6/05 - Groudon - New Pokémon - Pokémon Ruby
7/17 - Deoxys - New Pokémon - Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire
9/10 - Munchlax - New Pokémon - Pokémon Diamond/Pearl
9/20 - Piplup - New Pokémon - Pokémon Diamond/Pearl
10/17 - Meowth - New Pokémon - Pokémon Red/Blue
12/04 - Suicine, Lugia, Entei, Staryu, Bellossum, Ho-Oh, Wobbuffet, Togepi, Snorlax, Celebi, Mew - Returning Pokémon
12/10 - Bonsly - New Pokémon - Pokémon Diamond/Pearl
Lacking profile
Kyogre (New Pokémon)
Torchic (New Pokémon)
Latios/Latias (New Pokémon)
Gardevoir (New Pokémon)
Metagross (New Pokémon)
Regigigas (New Pokémon)
Garchomp (New Pokémon)
Castform (New Pokémon)
Onix (Return Pokémon)
Chikorita (Return Pokémon)
Goldeen (Return Pokémon)
Electrode (Return Pokémon)
Music (Arrangement Supervisor & Composition Supervisor)
5/22 - Battlefield Theme - SSBM Menu 1 - Motoi Sakuraba & Hirokazu Ando
6/04 - Yoshi's Story Credits - Yoshi's Story - Masafumi Takada & Kazumi Totaka
6/13 - Ridley's Battle Theme - Super Metroid - Minako Hamano & Yusuke Takahama
6/26 - Legend of Zelda: OoT Medley - Ocarina of Time - Michiko Naruke & Koji Kondo
7/16 - Space Armada - Star Fox - Kenji Ito & Hajime Hirasawa
8/08 - The Underworld - Kid Icarus - Shogo Sakai & Tanaka Hirokazu
8/23 - Go K.K. Rider! - Animal Crossing - Keigo Ozaki & Toru Minegishi
9/07 - Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Main Theme - SSBB - Shogo Sakai & Nobuo Uematsu
9/07 - Pokémon Stadium/Evolution - Pokémon - Kenichi Okuma & Junichi Masuda
9/21 - MGS4 Love Theme - Metal Gear Solid 4 - Akihiro Honda & Nobuko Toda
10/09 - Ashley’s Theme - WarioWare - Tomoko Sasaki & Masaru Tajima (Japanese Version)
11/05 - Fire Emblem Theme - Shogo Sakai & Yuka Tsujiyoko
11/15 - Meta Knight’s Revenge - Kirby Super Star - Noriyuki Iwadare & Jun Ishikawa
11/27 - Donkey Kong - Donkey Kong - Hirokazu Tanaka & Yukio Kaneoka
11/30 - Great Temple/Temple - Zelda II: Adventure of Link - Shogo Sakai & Akito Nakatsuka
12/05 - X: Tunnel Scene - X [Japan-Only] - Yusuke Takahama & Kazumi Totaka
12/12 - Ice Climber - Ice Climber - Toshiyuki Sudo & Akito Nakatsuka
12/18 - Porky's Theme - Mother 3 - Shogo Sakai
12/25 - Angel Island Zone - Sonic the Hedgehog 3 - Jun Senoue & SEGA
1/09 - Pikmin: World Map - Pikmin - Yasunori Mitsuda & Hajime Wakai
Lacking profile
Title - Legend of Zelda
Main Theme - Legend of Zelda
The Dark World - Link to the Past
The Hidden Mountain & Forests - Link to the Past(?)
Delfino Plaza - Super Mario Sunshine
Castle Music / Fortress Boss - Super Mario 3 or Super Mario World
Ending / Title Screen - Super Mario World
Main Theme - New Super Mario Bros.
Live and Learn - Sonic Adventure
PictoChat - Nintendo DS Hardware
Mii Channel - Nintendo Wii Hardware
Wii Shop Channel - Nintendo Wii Hardware
Brain Age: Train Your Brain In Minutes A Day
Bramble Blast (Stickerbrush Symphony) - Donkey Kong Country 2
Snowman - Mother
The Roost - Animal Crossing: Wild World
Pokémon Main Theme - Pokémon Red/Blue
Wild Pokémon Battle - Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire
The Kingdom of Bern - Fire Emblem
Animal Crossing Main Theme
Balloon Trip - Balloon Fight
WarioWare Main Theme
Brinstar - Metroid
Samus's Theme - Super Metroid
Metroid Ending Theme
Great Bay - Majora's Mask
Athletic - Yoshi's Island
PLEASE KEEP DISCUSSION TO THE CURRENT SMASHDATE OR SPECULATION ABOUT FUTURE SMASHDATES!
(That means keep your garbage, off-topic rants about Yoshi's tail being too short or Samus' breasts being too big out, thanks...)
Original topic can be found here...
And if there's anything I'm missing, please feel free to PM me or leave a reply in the topic... =)
Post by: ShyGuy on August 09, 2007, 02:22:35 PM
Is Bill a mod?
Is Wandering Fired?
How soon until Golden Phoenix derails this thread?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 09, 2007, 02:25:37 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on August 09, 2007, 02:27:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
I DON'T SEE ANY SKIN-TIGHT SAMUS BUTTOCKS YET
that will be its own megathread in about a second
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 09, 2007, 02:30:31 PM
Post by: Louieturkey on August 09, 2007, 02:58:10 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 09, 2007, 03:03:34 PM
However, I'd like anything Earthbound-related...(Dammit, I'm going to be doing this everyday...)
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 09, 2007, 03:12:11 PM
*Salutes's Bill's work*
Post by: Arbok on August 09, 2007, 04:41:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Sir_Stabbalot
*Salutes's Bill's work*
I'll second that salute. Banner alone is pure awesome.
Post by: Arbok on August 09, 2007, 08:06:49 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 09, 2007, 08:08:16 PM
Post by: Arbok on August 09, 2007, 08:08:41 PM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Well now we finally have confirmation on Ness returning.
If there was still any doubt.
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 09, 2007, 08:14:36 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on August 09, 2007, 08:15:36 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 09, 2007, 08:15:49 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on August 09, 2007, 08:25:26 PM
http://starmen.net/merchandise/guides/m1stratg.php
http://starmen.net/merchandise/misc/fbadge.php
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 09, 2007, 09:10:13 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Actually, this is more indicative of a Mother 3 character making it in. I believe the Franklin Badge was given away in conjunction with material based on Mother 3's release. I'll go check, though.
FLINT FLINT FLINT
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 09, 2007, 10:34:42 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Actually, this is more indicative of a Mother 3 character making it in. I believe the Franklin Badge was given away in conjunction with material based on Mother 3's release. I'll go check, though.
You do realize that the Franklin Badge is also an item in Mother 2 (and 1), though, right? =)
Score one for wishing for stuff!
Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 10, 2007, 12:32:35 AM
Post by: Sarail on August 10, 2007, 01:35:19 AM
C'mon.. somebody had to say it. :P
Post by: Ceric on August 10, 2007, 02:00:14 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 10, 2007, 03:58:00 AM
Post by: Louieturkey on August 10, 2007, 05:28:48 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 10, 2007, 05:36:32 AM
Where do the Pokemon come from? Pokeballs, you say? Pokeballs are items... =)
"Do you all think it'll stay with the word Mother on it for the US release or do you think they'll change it to Earthbound?"
Considering NOA doesn't care about Earthbound in the slightest, I expect it to stay Mother and act as if Earthbound never existed...
Post by: Ceric on August 10, 2007, 06:10:39 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on August 10, 2007, 07:02:39 AM
Is this the first real-world item that made it in the game?
Post by: Arbok on August 10, 2007, 07:09:42 AM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Is this the first real-world item that made it in the game?
Wouldn't be the first time, considering the inclusion of the Super Scope.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 10, 2007, 07:19:08 AM
Post by: Kairon on August 10, 2007, 07:29:30 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"I don't think Pokemon should count as items..."
Where do the Pokemon come from? Pokeballs, you say? Pokeballs are items... =)
Yeah, but that's it. They're all ONE item!
Pokemon aren't Pokeballs, they're Pokemon.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 10, 2007, 07:37:37 AM
The Pokemon appear in the Item category on the site, so that's just what we are going to work with...
No Pokemon sub-category for you!
Post by: Ceric on August 10, 2007, 08:04:30 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 10, 2007, 08:10:09 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 10, 2007, 08:22:41 AM
Post by: wandering on August 10, 2007, 08:48:55 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 10, 2007, 08:52:08 AM
Post by: wandering on August 10, 2007, 09:42:03 AM
Post by: anubis6789 on August 10, 2007, 10:26:20 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 10, 2007, 10:39:32 AM
I really don't see a reflector or a Badge actually being able to protect someone from that much energy Samus or even Mario is producing in their Final Smash attacks.
Post by: Sessha on August 10, 2007, 02:23:11 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 10, 2007, 02:37:56 PM
News to me...The only character that I recall being dropped from Melee is Balloon Fighter...(Sakurai already said that all the contenders from the first game will be returning, so Ness won't be replaced...
)
Post by: anubis6789 on August 10, 2007, 03:03:56 PM
I personally think that Lucas will be a Costume for Ness, or vice versa if Lucas is the main for whatever reason.
Post by: Arbok on August 10, 2007, 03:06:06 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
To prevent that from happening, threads could be made well in advance. The morning before each update, someone could make a thread titled "TODAY'S UPDATE", and then, when the update arrives, edit the OP.
Eh, no thanks. Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with the current method, now that the thread is no longer cluttered with other things related to the game.
Post by: Dasmos on August 10, 2007, 04:25:44 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 10, 2007, 04:52:30 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 12, 2007, 08:04:21 PM
Post by: Arbok on August 12, 2007, 08:05:07 PM
Post by: Crimm on August 12, 2007, 08:06:34 PM
Just putting that out there.
Post by: nickmitch on August 12, 2007, 08:07:56 PM
(How many times will I say this?)
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 12, 2007, 08:08:44 PM
I like this idea. Rather than give THREE friggin' character spaces to pokemans, they gave ONE space which uses three different pokemans.
This makes it kinda weird for existing pokemans like Pikachu, though.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 12, 2007, 08:08:47 PM
I don't know if Pokemon Trainer might become a commonly used character but he could be one of the most unique characters in the roster so far.
Can't wait how see how he plays in the final version.
Post by: anubis6789 on August 12, 2007, 08:09:06 PM
So what is his FSA, does he have three different ones depending on who is out at the time or what?
Post by: Arbok on August 12, 2007, 08:09:58 PM
From the shots, it looks like when he actually summons them... he pretty much leaves the "hittable" range of the stage. So my question is, does he work kind of like Shiek/Zelda, where you can switch between the three and play whichever you are in the mode for? If so, being able to play Charizard and Ivysaur would be awesome.
Also, it's great to see another diverse fighter added to the roster.
EDIT: On a side note, is it just me, or does Charizard look fantastic?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 12, 2007, 08:10:52 PM
Or not.
That's ok, I support unique play-styles, and this one seems awesome. If only that were a Wartortle, though, then it would be even better!
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 12, 2007, 08:12:52 PM
This is, by far, the most unique character to date, and a far better representative for the franchise.
Post by: nickmitch on August 12, 2007, 08:13:52 PM
Post by: Arbok on August 12, 2007, 08:14:09 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
So what is his FSA, does he have three different ones depending on who is out at the time or what?
Now that is a GREAT question. I actually hope he summons a different Pokémon just for his Final Smash. Something massive (Gyarados, Tyranitar, etc). The potential just with what it could be is pretty exciting, though.
Post by: Mikintosh on August 12, 2007, 08:15:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
From the shots, it looks like when he actually summons them... he pretty much leaves the "hittable" range of the stage. So my question is, does he work kind of like Shiek/Zelda, where you can switch between the three and play whichever you are in the mode for? If so, being able to play Charizard and Ivysaur would be awesome.
Also, it's great to see another diverse fighter added to the roster.
EDIT: On a side note, is it just me, or does Charizard look fantastic?
It says that you switch them out in a cycle, so Squirtle then Ivysaur then Charizard then Squirtle again.
And yes, it does. They did a good job combining the Ken Sugimori and anime designs, while making them a bit more "fierce" to fit the fighting genre.
Post by: Mashiro on August 12, 2007, 08:16:26 PM
This is a great new addition!
Depending on how the character/pokemon play this may just be my new favorite character =D!
Post by: Arbok on August 12, 2007, 08:16:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Mikintosh
It says that you switch them out in a cycle, so Squirtle then Ivysaur then Charizard then Squirtle again
Oh crap, I totally missed that part of the update. Was only looking at the main character bio.
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If you keep fighting with the same Pokémon, or if you change them out too often, it’s not so good for the Pokémon.
That sounds great. This character has really suddenly jumped up to be the one I'm most interested in playing from what has been shown.
My hat is off to them for getting me even more excited than I already was for this game.
Post by: that Baby guy on August 12, 2007, 08:16:32 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on August 12, 2007, 08:18:02 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 12, 2007, 08:19:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Looks like down+B cycles to the next one and you control the pokeman on screen at the time, but the trainer isn't hittable.
This is, by far, the most unique character to date, and a far better representative for the franchise.
Since you mentioned it, I wonder if the other Pokemon characters like Mewtwo, Jigglypuff and Pichu got the ax. I mean, I could see them keeping Mewtwo just so Pokemon can have a villain in the roster, but Pichu and Jigglypuff are now taking up space, especially since we have three Pokemon under one character space.
Post by: Mashiro on August 12, 2007, 08:20:18 PM
This is a really amazing update! I'm so glad to see they are thinking outside the box with the new characters.
Post by: Arbok on August 12, 2007, 08:24:08 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Since you mentioned it, I wonder if the other Pokemon characters like Mewtwo, Jigglypuff and Pichu got the ax. I mean, I could see them keeping Mewtwo just so Pokemon can have a villain in the roster, but Pichu and Jigglypuff are now taking up space, especially since we have three Pokemon under one character space.
Pichu is most likely gone, if I had to guess. Jiggly I expect to see back, simply as it was stated before that all of the original characters would return... and I imagine that would include the secret characters. As for Mewtwo, he hasn't really been in the spotlight for awhile, but he was always a very solo character anyway so as long as they didn't cycle him out for someone new (Deoxys would have been my guess, if they were going to, but he is an assist trophy) I could very much see him coming back.
Post by: Mikintosh on August 12, 2007, 08:24:40 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Looks like down+B cycles to the next one and you control the pokeman on screen at the time, but the trainer isn't hittable.
This is, by far, the most unique character to date, and a far better representative for the franchise.
Since you mentioned it, I wonder if the other Pokemon characters like Mewtwo, Jigglypuff and Pichu got the ax. I mean, I could see them keeping Mewtwo just so Pokemon can have a villain in the roster, but Pichu and Jigglypuff are now taking up space, especially since we have three Pokemon under one character space.
I imagine that's exactly the case, at least with Pichu. I'd say Jigglypuff is more likely to stay if one gets the ax, however, since Mewtwo wasn't as popular in Melee (tho they could always fix that) and Jigglypuff is from the N64 game, and I think they're keeping most if not all of those.
Post by: nickmitch on August 12, 2007, 08:27:03 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Looks like down+B cycles to the next one and you control the pokeman on screen at the time, but the trainer isn't hittable.
This is, by far, the most unique character to date, and a far better representative for the franchise.
Since you mentioned it, I wonder if the other Pokemon characters like Mewtwo, Jigglypuff and Pichu got the ax. I mean, I could see them keeping Mewtwo just so Pokemon can have a villain in the roster, but Pichu and Jigglypuff are now taking up space, especially since we have three Pokemon under one character space.
Jigglypuff was an original character, so I assume she's safe. But I think the purpose of the trainer to let more pokemon be in the game without those taking up half the characters. I mean, we might see a female trainer (although the gender of this one wasn't mentioned even though it's apparent) with the Johto set. He also provides a completely new and unique character, so he doesn't have to be a replacer.
Post by: Arbok on August 12, 2007, 08:29:23 PM
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Originally posted by: TVman
I mean, we might see a female trainer (although the gender of this one wasn't mentioned even though it's apparent) with the Johto set.
Someone, hire this man, stat! That's definitely a "clone" I would love to see in the game.
EDIT: Also, as a complete side remark, I'm happy to see some "older" characters from a franchise make it into the game. Looking at the rest of the cast, most of them dip into their respective series' most recent incarnations, but I'm glad to see they aren't afraid of choosing some classics from a continuing franchise.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 12, 2007, 08:37:31 PM
Let's see how far it will grow...
Post by: nickmitch on August 12, 2007, 08:39:39 PM
Sure, she would play the "same," but each pokemon would control different.
Post by: Arbok on August 12, 2007, 08:42:29 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
OK with the Pokemon Trainer, that makes it 7 new characters to be featured Brawl with 13 returning characters (as far as we know), making for a total of 20 selectable characters.
Let's see how far it will grow...
I assume that is with counting Shiek as a separate character, since Samus is being counted twice?
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She wouldn't be a clone if she had a different set.
That's why I put clone in quotes.
Again, it sounds like a awesome idea to me, even if it would be repeating the concept of another character, although, like you said, with different results.
Post by: Adrock on August 12, 2007, 08:44:11 PM
Post by: Louieturkey on August 12, 2007, 08:45:16 PM
How many more weeks until December 3rd now? Or will the updates end on November 22nd, when it's released in Japan? I'm wondering how many more update days there are and if we will start seeing an increase in the amount of updates each day get bumped up so as to be able to get more of this game known.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 12, 2007, 08:48:42 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
OK with the Pokemon Trainer, that makes it 7 new characters to be featured Brawl with 13 returning characters (as far as we know), making for a total of 20 selectable characters.
Let's see how far it will grow...
I assume that is with counting Shiek as a separate character, since Samus is being counted twice?
Yep, since in the official site they count ZS Samus as a separate character and in Melee Sheik was considered a separate character even if he/she was not selectable.
Post by: anubis6789 on August 12, 2007, 08:52:09 PM
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but when you think about it, this is only a modification of Zelda/Sheiks playstyle, not a slight one, but one nonetheless.
Post by: nickmitch on August 12, 2007, 08:54:06 PM
Post by: Arbok on August 12, 2007, 08:56:30 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but when you think about it, this really only a modification of Zelda/Sheiks playstyle, not a slight one, but one nonetheless.
Not really, since we know nothing about how the character plays (save swapping and the stamina angle). The only thing that really connects them is that they appear to be able to change playstyles mid-match with Down + B... and comparing them based on that would be like saying that Samus and DK are similar as both have "Charge" moves.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 12, 2007, 08:57:06 PM
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I think that the female trainer may show up as a costume, along with "Blue". That is what I would like anyway.
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but when you think about it, this really only a modification of Zelda/Sheiks playstyle, not a slight one, but one nonetheless.
The Pokemon Trainer still manages to be an unique character:
- Pokemon Trainer is always present while the Pokemon do the fighting
- 3 characters instead of one
- Constant use of one Pokemon affects gameplay, as well as constant change of the Pokemon
Post by: anubis6789 on August 12, 2007, 08:59:50 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but when you think about it, this really only a modification of Zelda/Sheiks playstyle, not a slight one, but one nonetheless.
Not really, since we know nothing about how the character plays (save swapping and the stamina angle). The only thing that really connects them is that they appear to be able to change playstyles mid-match with Down + B... and comparing them based on that would be like saying that Samus and DK are similar as both have "Charge" moves.
By playstyle, I meant the character's gimmick, so for Zelda/Sheik, it would be the transformation, which is kind of like what the Pokemon Trainer is doing, only the stamina stat is in play, and there are three "transformations".
Post by: Mashiro on August 12, 2007, 09:01:13 PM
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Originally posted by: TVman
Back on the topic of FSAs, I think that they'll each have their own. I just wonder if you can transfer the FSA between the pokemon. Like, if you can use Squirtle to get the Smash ball and use Charizard's FSA. Speaking of those, what could they be? Hydro Pump, Solarbeam and Fire Blast seem probable.
Maybe they will give them their ultimate attacks like in the games? (Although the moves can only be trained to the fully evolved pokemon in the game).
Charizard = Blast Burn
Ivysaur = Frenzy Plant
Squirtle = Hydro Blast
Post by: Louieturkey on August 12, 2007, 09:03:14 PM
Post by: Arbok on August 12, 2007, 09:03:41 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Maybe they will give them their ultimate attacks like in the games? (Although the moves can only be trained to the fully evolved pokemon in the game).
Charizard = Blast Burn
Ivysaur = Frenzy Plant
Squirtle = Hydro Blast
If it was Pokémon specific, it would be neat if Squirtle evolved with his Final Smash.
Post by: anubis6789 on August 12, 2007, 09:06:08 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 12, 2007, 09:06:33 PM
Post by: Louieturkey on August 12, 2007, 09:06:59 PM
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If it was Pokémon specific, it would be neat if Squirtle evolved with his Final Smash.
So it would be kind of like Samus where after her final smash she changes to the zero suit? That makes sense.
Post by: Arbok on August 12, 2007, 09:09:51 PM
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Well why not move Mewtwo from playable to this new character's Final Smash? These are the starter Pokemon from Red/Green/Blue, so why not the most powerful Pokemon from those games?
Because Mewtwo, as a playable character, had a lot of potential... they just need to balance him better.
If we are pulling from the first generation of the game, why not have him summon the three legendary birds for his Final Smash? Either one at random or all three. Mew would also be another option, picking from the R/B/G/Y gen of legendaries.
Post by: Louieturkey on August 12, 2007, 09:10:58 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on August 12, 2007, 09:11:03 PM
Yeah, that's my guess, the trio attacks, followed by at least a stamina refresher.
Post by: anubis6789 on August 12, 2007, 09:11:41 PM
Four Attacks, potently anyway.
since down B is being used to switch them out, maybe their most powerful move is their FSA?
It is either that or they all preform Struggle.
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 12, 2007, 09:11:54 PM
Returning characters
Mario
Link
Kirby
Pikachu
Samus
Fox
Zelda
Sheik
Bowser
Donkey Kong
Peach
Yoshi
Caption Falcon His icons on Samurai Goro's page
Ness His icons on the Franklin Badge page
New Characters
Wario
Pit
Meta Knight
Zero Suit Samus
Ike
Pokemon Trainer (It's really just Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard as one character)
Solid Snake
Animal Crossing Character Animal Crossing Item and Animal Crossing Stage each with an Animal Crossing icon, which means there's a playable character from that series.
Post by: that Baby guy on August 12, 2007, 09:13:35 PM
Post by: Louieturkey on August 12, 2007, 09:14:31 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 12, 2007, 09:14:35 PM
How bad ass is that going to be!
OH or the super hammer, awesomeness!
CHARIZARD COUNTER ATTACK! USE THE SUPER SCOPE NOW!
Limitless potential . . .
Post by: Arbok on August 12, 2007, 09:16:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Caption Falcon His icons on Samurai Goro's page
Ness His icons on the Franklin Badge page
I don't doubt that Captain Falcon, Ness, Luigi and probably Jigglypuff will be back. But really, none of them have been confirmed, in the true sense, yet... also, anyone else find it interesting that it's the four original secret characters from the first game that are still "unknown"?
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Animal Crossing Character Animal Crossing Item and Animal Crossing Stage each with an Animal Crossing icon, which means there's a playable character from that series.
I wouldn't jump to that conclusion yet. If we see a new stage from an existing series added, without its own icon, then I would be willing to bet you are correct.
Post by: nickmitch on August 12, 2007, 09:18:26 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on August 12, 2007, 09:20:48 PM
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also, anyone else find it interesting that it's the four original secret characters from the first game that are still "unknown"?
You know, I have not even thought about that, but your right. It is odd considering that both Ness and Captain Falcon were starters in Melee. I know they will be back but it is kind of disconcerting.
Post by: nickmitch on August 12, 2007, 09:21:30 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on August 12, 2007, 09:26:02 PM
Time Paradox?
Post by: nickmitch on August 12, 2007, 09:27:28 PM
EDIT: Come to think of it, how the heck does Ivysaur use items? He doesn't have any hands!!
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 12, 2007, 09:28:38 PM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Animal Crossing Character Animal Crossing Item and Animal Crossing Stage each with an Animal Crossing icon, which means there's a playable character from that series.
I wouldn't jump to that conclusion yet. If we see a new stage from an existing series added, without its own icon, then I would be willing to bet you are correct.
Heres the proof, Dr. Wright. Since he and nobody from Sim City will be playable, he only has the Smash Bros icon next to him. If they were going make an Animal Crossing icon for an item and stage, but not have a playable character, then why not give Dr. Wright a Sim City icon as well? This shows that things from series that aren't playable will have the Smash Bros icon next to them while things connected to playable character will have that series icon next to it.
Post by: Mashiro on August 12, 2007, 09:29:10 PM
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Originally posted by: TVman
What if Charizard summoned himself?!? O_o
EDIT: Come to think of it, how the heck does Ivysaur use items? He doesn't have any hands!!
They do the fusion dance and form Super Charizard!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 12, 2007, 10:23:48 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 12, 2007, 10:35:34 PM
*scratches character that he thought wouldn't happen off list*
"Come to think of it, how the heck does Ivysaur use items? He doesn't have any hands!!"
In his mouth, you silly person!
Oh, and some things I am wondering about:
1) Will you actually hear Red yelling out his commands?
2) On stages that move like Rumble Falls, it'll be interesting to see how Red keeps up with the fighting!
3) Will you be able to access a Female Trainer costume?
4) Final Smash: Pokemon-specific or Red-specific?
5) When multiple Reds are picked, how will the Trainers in the background be organized?
6) Continuing on #5, will the different-colored Pokemon wear hats like Pikachu?
7) Will a lack of stamina result in HP damage, or just make the Pokemon dizzy, etc?
So many questions!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 12, 2007, 11:42:30 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 13, 2007, 12:21:25 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 13, 2007, 01:39:30 AM
All this talk about Red/Blue makes me voice the futile but possibly interesting wish to see the Gunstars in the game.
Post by: Shecky on August 13, 2007, 01:45:09 AM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
What is it that all Pokemon have?
Four Attacks, potently anyway.
since down B is being used to switch them out, maybe their most powerful move is their FSA?
It is either that or they all preform Struggle.
Bingo... I figure the "4th move" is the FSA.
Also does anyone anticipate a lack of direct control of these characters? I have a feeling they're CPU controlled with the user calling out times to attack and dodge/block. The CPU's level of competency drops as the stamina becomes lower.
Thus, your "commanding" a pokemon, which I think is the point of the character.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 13, 2007, 01:50:20 AM
I remember us discussing a Pokemon Trainer, I loved the character idea, but nobody thought it was possible...this is exciting.
Here are my thoughts.
Each Pokemon is a different weight class, light, medium, Heavy. You will have to learn how to use them all well in competition. Now whenever you knock a Pokemon off screen you get a point, so the Trainer is going to have to be careful on how he uses them with his damage...but what I don't know is if you KO Ivysaur you don't get it back until your other two characters are KOed...that would be wicked.
Obviously the costumes of Pokemon Trainer will allow you to have a female trainer, but what would be more cool is allowing one to be Ash, one generic male, one generic female, and one to be Misty and one Brock.
Heck you could even give them special Pokemon each, so that you can must learn the pokemon of each costume, but that is HIGHLY unlikely.
I am willing to bet the Final Smash for Pokemon Trainer will still be Pokemon fight specific, and I am willing to bet it is going to a Legendary Pokemon being called to fight. It will either be one giant attack, or the Trainer will be allowed to throw out this legendary pokemon to use once, or until he calls him back in.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 13, 2007, 01:51:33 AM
Well, I think they'd use the new female trainer from Fire Red and Leaf Green, if anything...
"Also does anyone anticipate a lack of direct control of these characters?"
Nah, it wouldn't make sense when you need to return back to the stage after being knocked off...I'm fairly sure you'll be directly controlling the Pokemon, with the illusion that they are moving due to the commands of the trainer...
"but what would be more cool is allowing one to be Ash, one generic male, one generic female, and one to be Misty and one Brock"
Pokemon Trainer basically IS Ash... =)
"...and I am willing to bet it is going to a Legendary Pokemon being called to fight."
I thought so too at first, but the wording on the site has me second-guessing..."Instead, he uses the three Pokémon with him—Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard—to do the fighting for him." I like the idea of each Pokemon using their strongest attack as their Final Smash...
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 13, 2007, 02:00:03 AM
Post by: Dasmos on August 13, 2007, 02:26:20 AM
Quotethis is pretty much a given.
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I will guess that these 3 pokemon will not be available in the Pokeballs anymore. They will exclusively available to the trainer.
Post by: Grant10k on August 13, 2007, 02:34:15 AM
1) Will you actually hear Red yelling out his commands?
I think his mouth will move and he'll point in the direction your moving, like a soccer coach or something. You will see him yelling but he won't actually audibly say anything. (otherwise they'd have to make him actually say stuff, if he's yelling non-verbally, then he's just yelling "commands".
2) On stages that move like Rumble Falls, it'll be interesting to see how Red keeps up with the fighting!
Yeah, whatever. That's not a question so I can't answer it. Jerk. Use a question mark next time, it's right there under your pinkie finger.
3) Will you be able to access a Female Trainer costume?
I hope so, just like I hope they have a non-hamster Fox, and both ZS Samus and Zelda with Bikini alt-costumes. (hell, they should even throw a bikini on armored Samuses amour, just to be thorough.
4) Final Smash: Pokemon-specific or Red-specific?
I think the Final Smash might be the Trainer throwing out sh!t-tons of pokeballs, in every direction, like grenades.
5) When multiple Reds are picked, how will the Trainers in the background be organized?
They can fist fight each other in the background. Now you have to watch out in two dimensions (two dimensions of 2D fighting = at least 4 dimensions).
6) Continuing on #5, will the different-colored Pokemon wear hats like Pikachu?
Yes, they wear that almost-nike hat that's in the cartoon.
7) Will a lack of stamina result in HP damage, or just make the Pokemon dizzy, etc?
I would think that they just have less power after a while. Punches don't deal as much massive damage and all that. That's how stamina effects me anyway. But if I over exert myself, I do start to feel dizzy.
Post by: Shecky on August 13, 2007, 03:13:29 AM
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*massive grin on face*
2) On stages that move like Rumble Falls, it'll be interesting to see how Red keeps up with the fighting!
I'm guessing a floating platform in the background specifically for him that keeps up with the stage.
Post by: Strell on August 13, 2007, 04:17:42 AM
I guess you just get Pokemon specific powers.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 13, 2007, 04:45:38 AM
And yes, I assume a final smash will be when Red throws out a legendary or maybe your current pokeman temporarily evolves to the highest version of itself.
Post by: Strell on August 13, 2007, 05:01:17 AM
You could hack Pokemon Trainer to use any three fighters.
Or, there could be a special Pokemon Vs. Battle Mode where you choose PT but pull any three fighters into your arsenal. So I could switch out Luigi/Fox/Captain Falcon.
In fact, I will be sad now if this is not possible.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 13, 2007, 05:07:07 AM
He needs to at least yell out the Pokemon's name when he tosses it onto the playing field!
"Yeah, whatever. That's not a question so I can't answer it. Jerk. Use a question mark next time, it's right there under your pinkie finger."
I never said they were questions, so eat it!
"Or, there could be a special Pokemon Vs. Battle Mode where you choose PT but pull any three fighters into your arsenal. So I could switch out Luigi/Fox/Captain Falcon."
I wonder if Event Mode might involve something like this...
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 13, 2007, 05:42:10 AM
Post by: Grant10k on August 13, 2007, 06:04:38 AM
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He needs to at least yell out the Pokemon's name when he tosses it onto the playing field!
That would work great. Any other audible command would not fit right as the pokemon would start doing the move before 'PT' not to be confused with PiT actually yells the name of the move (or add a delay to any move worth mentioning). He'd be all like "Charizard!" and I would proclaim "ZOMG! that IS Charizard!"
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"Yeah, whatever. That's not a question so I can't answer it. Jerk. Use a question mark next time, it's right there under your pinkie finger."
I never said they were questions, so eat it!
/me is pwned.
Post by: Arbok on August 13, 2007, 06:07:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Heres the proof, Dr. Wright. Since he and nobody from Sim City will be playable, he only has the Smash Bros icon next to him. If they were going make an Animal Crossing icon for an item and stage, but not have a playable character, then why not give Dr. Wright a Sim City icon as well? This shows that things from series that aren't playable will have the Smash Bros icon next to them while things connected to playable character will have that series icon next to it.
Because probably that will be the only thing from the Sim City universe in the game? Again, if there is a stage from an already existing game, and it doesn't have an icon, then you are on to something. At present, it's jumping to conclusions from the information available to us.
I'm not saying that there won't be a character from Animal Crossing, but, IMO, there is not enough stuff on the site to positively prove that the icons are only attached to new characters and not also stages.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 13, 2007, 07:06:00 AM
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Originally posted by: PartyBear
I have a complaint. Sometimes I get really mad and just want to beat the crap out of a character, and this chicken will always be unreachable. Torturing his pokemon in front of him just won't be enough.
After he's eliminated in stock mode, he immolates himself out of shame of loss.
This also raises the question of how KOs work in his case. Does the trainer simply disappear like Nana when Popo is KOed and if so, does he jump down from the same "rebirth" platform as the other characters?
I think it would be hella awesome if, in a moving stage, he had to climb around on obstacles in the background to keep up, but I suspect (like someone else suggested) that he'll be on a floating platform which simply carries him around in those cases.
Also, thanks to playing as this character, I will no doubt beat the "LET ME SHOW YOU MY POKEMANS!!!" joke to death.
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I'm not saying that there won't be a character from Animal Crossing, but, IMO, there is not enough stuff on the site to positively prove that the icons are only attached to new characters and not also stages.
Sadly, I agree.
I was hoping we'd see Mr. Resetti as playable, but there's really no evidence to suggest it. If anything we'll probably see him as an AT and he'll have the same leaf symbol as well.
It's really uncharted territory, as far as character inclusion is concerned, and we can't use the logic of "there's no AC character because they showed Ike before his level" since they showed the Yoshi level before they showed Yoshi.
It's anyone's guess.
Post by: stevey on August 13, 2007, 07:41:36 AM
I'm wondering how switching them won't break the game, as in right before a final smash like samus's hit or item go off can be blocked by switching and give them an unfair lead.
Post by: Arbok on August 13, 2007, 07:48:17 AM
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I'm wondering how switching them won't break the game, as in right before a final smash like samus's hit or item go off can be blocked by switching and give them an unfair lead.
Well, it's stated that stamina goes down due to switching... so you can do that, but there seems to be consequences regardless. You are right, though, in that it would be a good idea in order to avoid the shorter exposure Final Smash attacks.
Post by: Mikintosh on August 13, 2007, 08:18:58 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 13, 2007, 08:19:30 AM
Post by: Arbok on August 13, 2007, 08:26:17 AM
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Well, it's not like when Zelda changes to Sheik, she's invulnerable. I bet there's never a moment in the "switch" that one or the other Pokemon isn't open to attack; that's what makes sense to me, anyway.
I'd disagree:
I'd say at this moment right here the player would be invulnerable... how long that is, is the question. I hope it's very short period of time.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 13, 2007, 08:27:36 AM
Since he's not actually fighting, I assume he'll stay in the background until his Pokemon are out for good...(I then expect him to fall to his knees and disappear...)
"Also, thanks to playing as this character, I will no doubt beat the "LET ME SHOW YOU MY POKEMANS!!!" joke to death."
Aha, I'm glad I'm not the only one...
"I was hoping we'd see Mr. Resetti as playable, but there's really no evidence to suggest it. If anything we'll probably see him as an AT and he'll have the same leaf symbol as well."
I'm still calling Generic Animal Crossing Guy with player-specific Mii head...Sakurai must know how fun it is to beat someone over the head with the net!
Post by: Mikintosh on August 13, 2007, 08:27:48 AM
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Zelda isn't invulnerable when she changes to Sheik.
That's what I meant to say; the extra comma I put in made it sounds like I was saying she was.
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It would be awesome if one of the following were possible:
You could hack Pokemon Trainer to use any three fighters.
Or, there could be a special Pokemon Vs. Battle Mode where you choose PT but pull any three fighters into your arsenal. So I could switch out Luigi/Fox/Captain Falcon.
In fact, I will be sad now if this is not possible.
Well then prepare to be sad. It'd kinda wipe out the novelty of the character if they let you do this with anybody...and how would Captain Falcon get in a Poke Ball anyway?
Post by: Mikintosh on August 13, 2007, 08:30:47 AM
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Well, it's not like when Zelda changes to Sheik, she's invulnerable. I bet there's never a moment in the "switch" that one or the other Pokemon isn't open to attack; that's what makes sense to me, anyway.
I'd disagree:
I'd say at this moment right here the player would be invulnerable... how long that is, is the question. I hope it's very short period of time.
But I'd disagreen with your...disagreement. At that moment, the first Pokemon's still out as a flash of light, and the Poke Ball is right about to open to release the other one. I'm not saying there won't be a 1/4 second gap in which no one's on the field, but I'd bet that whatever's there will take damage, and even if not, the characters aren't frozen in time; I bet the game'll have the Poke Ball open while the Final Smash is starting so it'll get hit anyway.
Post by: Arbok on August 13, 2007, 08:34:03 AM
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I'm not saying there won't be a 1/4 second gap in which no one's on the field...
So you agree with my disagreement?
I didn't say how long the invulnerability would be for, I'm hoping it's so small that it couldn't be exploited to dodge attacks, but there does appear to at least be a fraction of a second where the player could avoid all damage. I just really can't see the "flash of light" taking damage in that shot, to be honest...
Post by: Pale on August 13, 2007, 08:53:33 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 13, 2007, 09:08:59 AM
In that way, it'll be balanced since you can dodge certain attacks, but you set yourself up to be pwned by others.
He already said that if you swap Pokemans too frequently, there will be consequences because you'll harm their stamina meters.
It sounds like the basis of this character will be switching our your Pokeman every time it starts to show signs of fatigue but not doing so early because it'll also fatigue your Pokemans.
Bottom line: you're playing a cycling character which goes from being a light, to med, to heavy and then light again. You'll need to know all of its different attacks in its three "forms" to truly master it.
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Post by: Grant10k on August 13, 2007, 09:14:53 AM
Post by: anubis6789 on August 13, 2007, 10:08:56 AM
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I think you'll be temporarily invulnerable for a moment when the Pokeman leaves the play field, but very, VERY vulnerable for a moment as the new Pokeman returns to the playfield and pops out of its ball.
In that way, it'll be balanced since you can dodge certain attacks, but you set yourself up to be pwned by others.
He already said that if you swap Pokemans too frequently, there will be consequences because you'll harm their stamina meters.
It sounds like the basis of this character will be switching our your Pokeman every time it starts to show signs of fatigue but not doing so early because it'll also fatigue your Pokemans.
Bottom line: you're playing a cycling character which goes from being a light, to med, to heavy and then light again. You'll need to know all of its different attacks in its three "forms" to truly master it.
Kind of like how it works in the the actual game, the Pokemon being called back is not hurt, but the Pokemon coming into battle suffers from a kind of "summoning sickness", and cannot do anything for a turn while the opponent can attack it.
I think there will be points within the calling back and calling forward animation where no one is going to present in the battlefield, and I think that is why they have the stamina mechanic in place, to punish those who abuse that moment of invincibility. I also think that another step to balance out the moment of invincibility is apparent delay after a Pokemon comes out of a Pokeball.
Something the site does not make clear is if the stamina level is shared between all three Pokemon, like the damage percentage, or if each Pokemon has its own stamina level. I think the former is probably the most correct, just for simplicity's sake, as well as the fact that it would just fit better within the context of the PT's mechanic.
I also have a feeling that the will enforce a kind of "wait" system, where after changing out Pokemon you have to wait till you can change out again with the amount of time to wait being either static or somehow based upon the current stamina level, damage percentage, or some other variable I cannot think of.
It also seems to me that they may allow you to chose which Pokemon you want to start with, just as they let you start out as Sheik in SSBM, except this will be much more important to the game as a whole, along with a possible trick to start out as ZSS, while the Sheik trick was only needed on a special melee and I think an event match.
I have also convinced myself that "Red" will have "Blue" and "Green" as alternate costumes, considering that he is called Pokemon Trainer instead of Red, Satoshi, or Ash, just my opinion though.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 13, 2007, 10:13:44 AM
In the end, it'll all just boil down to "don't use a single Pokemon too long or too little"...
Post by: Strell on August 13, 2007, 10:14:31 AM
This is why I said it would have to be a hack or a special battle mode.
I don't care how Captain Falcon could get into a dayum Pokeball, I just thinking having some kind of funny tag team mode in Brawl would be awesome.
Post by: Mikintosh on August 13, 2007, 02:03:27 PM
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I bet you can hit the Pokeballs.
Yeah, this is what I was getting at.
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Mikintosh:
This is why I said it would have to be a hack or a special battle mode.
I don't care how Captain Falcon could get into a dayum Pokeball, I just thinking having some kind of funny tag team mode in Brawl would be awesome.
Well yeah, with a hack. You can put Sonic in Super Mario Land with a hack too, man!
That said, it would be cool if they decided to put it in.
Post by: soracloudtidus on August 13, 2007, 07:42:28 PM
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Post by: Mashiro on August 13, 2007, 08:04:03 PM
That's an insane assist trophy wow . . .
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 13, 2007, 08:04:15 PM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 13, 2007, 08:07:56 PM
Its the work of THE DEVIL!!
Post by: Kairon on August 13, 2007, 08:09:27 PM
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Post by: Adrock on August 13, 2007, 09:05:13 PM
The Devil seems pretty cheap. It's kind of lame, yet, at them same time, kind of interesting. I can see it leading to some very interesting and exciting matches. So while it'd be cool to use sometimes, I hope for the option to take specific Assist Trophies out if so I can still use other ones.
Post by: Mashiro on August 13, 2007, 09:17:46 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 13, 2007, 09:18:35 PM
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Anyone else think this assist trophy would seriously benefit characters like Kirby that can float for a prolonged period of time?
Nope, because Kirby won't float anymore for prolonged periods of time!
Post by: WalkingTheCow on August 13, 2007, 09:18:42 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on August 13, 2007, 09:28:40 PM
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I hope they add the option to toggle individual Pokemon and Assist Trophies on/off. That would allow for ultimate customization. Some of them seem very cheap and while I'd use them every so often to spice things up, it'd be cool to turn them off.
The Devil seems pretty cheap. It's kind of lame, yet, at them same time, kind of interesting. I can see it leading to some very interesting and exciting matches. So while it'd be cool to use sometimes, I hope for the option to take specific Assist Trophies out if so I can still use other ones.
I wouldn't describe an assist trophy that puts everyone at an equal disadvantage as cheap. It is the least cheap item of all since it doesn't even help the user out.
Post by: Adrock on August 13, 2007, 09:33:37 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 13, 2007, 09:34:16 PM
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I consider it cheap for everyone because it could mean instant death regardless of damage percentage.
Isn't that what Smash Brothers is about?
Post by: Kairon on August 13, 2007, 09:35:43 PM
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I consider it cheap for everyone because it could mean instant death regardless of damage percentage.
This is what makes Smash bros. great.
Post by: Mashiro on August 13, 2007, 09:39:42 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 13, 2007, 09:45:13 PM
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Devil World is pretty obscure here in the US. What's next, a CD-I Zelda trophy?
I swear I seen that purple devil thing somewhere else. Were they in SPM?
Post by: Adrock on August 13, 2007, 09:46:04 PM
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This is what makes Smash bros. great.
Yeah, ok. If you say so......
Post by: Mashiro on August 13, 2007, 09:48:19 PM
But don't you contradict yourself? How can it be cheap if you don't know what it does?
The whole statement should be striked from the record!
Post by: Adrock on August 13, 2007, 09:55:29 PM
I have a pretty good idea of what it does. Sakurai's own description was fairly simple.
Post by: Kairon on August 13, 2007, 09:59:55 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 13, 2007, 10:02:02 PM
So . . . take that.
Oh and has anyone else noticed there IS a little bit of the stage that remains in the final screen. See? DK is fine.
Maybe that's how it balances out
Post by: Adrock on August 13, 2007, 10:17:37 PM
I guess I just advocate the existence of a variety of choices and options. Being able to customize matches to the very last detail would add a completely new dimension to this already deep game. Another example would be being able to customize the behavior of AI controlled opponents such as having them retaliate a KO by relentlessly stalking the last player to kill them.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 13, 2007, 10:17:52 PM
As for Devil, I can't wait to see what happens when he pops out on a MOVING stage... ='D
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 13, 2007, 11:19:30 PM
I like that Sakurai wasn't exaggerating when he said that we might see some ATs that only the most dedicated fans would recognize, and I like that they can have some really insane effects. Keep these crazy updates coming!
Post by: Shecky on August 14, 2007, 02:09:31 AM
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Post by: Spak-Spang on August 14, 2007, 03:10:22 AM
C-sticking is a quicker easier method of Smash Attacking that allowed people to an easy method to take the skill out of the Smash Attack concept.
I think this is a very odd assist trophy, and it throws me for a loop...but you know its a good thing to me.
Smash Bros. originally was a fighting game that throw all the rules to fight games out the window and created something fresh. This seems to continue that trend adding influence from some many genres of games.
Post by: Sarail on August 14, 2007, 03:30:33 AM
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How is this C-sticking taken to the extreme...it is one assist trophy that does a very unique and odd scenero, that won't last very long.
C-sticking is a quicker easier method of Smash Attacking that allowed people to an easy method to take the skill out of the Smash Attack concept.
I think this is a very odd assist trophy, and it throws me for a loop...but you know its a good thing to me.
Smash Bros. originally was a fighting game that throw all the rules to fight games out the window and created something fresh. This seems to continue that trend adding influence from some many genres of games.
He was talking about how you can move the menu screen around in Melee by using the C-stick. Friends would always do this to me while I was picking my name from the list after choosing my character -- made things quite difficult and annoying.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 14, 2007, 04:57:08 AM
And yes, if this lil' bugger gets in, anyone could.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 14, 2007, 06:08:36 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 14, 2007, 08:48:05 AM
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SMASH BROS. IS THE WORK OF THE DEVIL!!!!
And yes, if this lil' bugger gets in, anyone could.
Sorry dude, but I already beat you to the Devil joke.
Post by: stevey on August 14, 2007, 11:02:31 AM
Post by: Shecky on August 14, 2007, 12:23:34 PM
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How is this C-sticking taken to the extreme...it is one assist trophy that does a very unique and odd scenero, that won't last very long.
C-sticking is a quicker easier method of Smash Attacking that allowed people to an easy method to take the skill out of the Smash Attack concept.
I think this is a very odd assist trophy, and it throws me for a loop...but you know its a good thing to me.
Smash Bros. originally was a fighting game that throw all the rules to fight games out the window and created something fresh. This seems to continue that trend adding influence from some many genres of games.
He was talking about how you can move the menu screen around in Melee by using the C-stick. Friends would always do this to me while I was picking my name from the list after choosing my character -- made things quite difficult and annoying.
Yes that is what I was referring to ... and it drove me batty. What purpose could it possible serve to be able to manipulate the menus in such a manner???
Post by: JonLeung on August 14, 2007, 02:26:55 PM
But now we have an assist trophy that actually affects gameplay called "Devil" from "Devil World". Are they going to keep that? Rename it? Has NoA lightened up? Or do they figure that a slight reference can't be too bad for a T-rated game?
At the same time, though, I thought SSB:M would've been rated E10+ had the rating existed at the time...not that SSB:B couldn't be rated T...
Post by: Shecky on August 14, 2007, 02:32:51 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 14, 2007, 03:02:31 PM
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It might just be that whatever over paranoid person in NOA convinced the team to pull the trophy because it had no bearing on gameplay... now that this trophy does, Mr. Over Paranoia's case doesn't hold as much water.
Actually, I think it's because the people who decided to have the trophy removed in Melee no longer work at NOA. I mean, 90% of NOA employees have left so there's a good chance their gone too.
Post by: Mashiro on August 14, 2007, 03:33:35 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on August 14, 2007, 03:33:51 PM
Devil World was released in a number of European countries, yet Tamagon's (the player character from said game) trophy was completely removed, as in hard coded out, from the European version of SSBM, while in the American version of Melee the trophy just could not be obtained through legitimate ways, such as the trophy lottery, but one could add the trophy to their collection through use of a cheat device or by other illegitimate means.
Post by: Shecky on August 14, 2007, 03:38:07 PM
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Pointless Trivia Time:
Devil World was released in a number of European countries, yet Tamagon's (the player character from said game) trophy was completely removed, as in hard coded out, from the European version of SSBM, while in the American version of Melee the trophy just could not be obtained through legitimate ways, such as the trophy lottery, but one could add the trophy to their collection through use of a cheat device or by other illegitimate means.
Why those sneaky li'l devils!
Post by: JonLeung on August 14, 2007, 04:02:02 PM
I'm sure he knows it's a game, and it's not a big deal, but I still don't feel comfortable going, "hey, look, it's the Devil! Check it out!"
(On a side note the church bought a GameCube and SSB:M for one of the rooms for the kids. Awesome.)
Post by: Mashiro on August 14, 2007, 08:05:42 PM
Edit: Seeing the Gamecube controls on the menu for the sticker album confused me for a second haha.
Post by: Arbok on August 14, 2007, 08:08:30 PM
Interesting to see the Gamecube button controls there in that one shot, though
Post by: anubis6789 on August 14, 2007, 08:13:59 PM
Some of the wording in this update makes it sound like trophies are still in. If they are that would just be to much to collect in my opinion.
Post by: Kairon on August 14, 2007, 08:14:20 PM
This CAPSLOCK is for AWESOME!!!!
Post by: Mashiro on August 14, 2007, 08:17:42 PM
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Well I guess they can put a lot more of those in than trophies.
Some of the wording in this update makes it sound like trophies are still in. If they are that would just be to much to collect in my opinion.
Yeah it seems as though trophies aren't going anywhere:
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Stickers are easier to get a hold of than trophies.
Post by: nickmitch on August 14, 2007, 08:21:56 PM
Post by: Arbok on August 14, 2007, 08:22:29 PM
Anyway, I guess these feature could be kind of neat if you could send the saved pictures to others through the Wii.
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This update is kind of lame.
Yeah, after the last few this one is pretty... meh...
Post by: Kairon on August 14, 2007, 08:31:28 PM
Stickers are micro-rewards. My mom used them to great effect in some part games she threw at my little cousin's b-day. The way she did it was to give each kid a "trophy card" (a cardboard placard in the shape and color of a trophy with their name on it) and after each game, award the winning team "3 stickers each" and the losing team 2, which each person got to pick out and put on their trophy card.
Then, at the end of the games, whoever had the most stickers got first pick from a bunch of assorted prizes on display. It was great.
Stickers are, like I said, micro-rewards. They don't replace trophies, but introduce another, more frequent, micro-sized reward system that can give players reasons to play again and again and again.
And the things you can do with them! Make a sticker book, or make sticker comics... GENIUS!
... my Mom's a genius too. Whatever little household innovation she does is SURE to be a consumer product in a year or two. There are spies in our house.
...wow... so awesome...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 14, 2007, 08:31:52 PM
I'm surprised no one has analyzed the stickers we have seen so far.
Many of the stickers are of characters that are already in the game. Are these stickers hinting at characters being in Brawl? :p
I think some of these characters might be assist trophies:
Dr. Lobe (Big brain academy)
Balloon fighter
Monkeys from Jungle beat
Post by: Arbok on August 14, 2007, 08:34:05 PM
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Many of the stickers are of characters that are already in the game. Are these stickers hinting at characters being in Brawl? :p
The images seem to be stock from other games, really, like the shot of Wario from Strikers, and what...
So I really wouldn't look that deeply into it, unless you find an original image with something new.
Post by: Michael8983 on August 14, 2007, 08:34:26 PM
Still, this may be a great way to add some serious nostalgia with relatively little extra dev time.
I mean the appeal of the trophies in Melee was just being reminded of all these obscure characters.
Making 3D models of them all seemed kind of like a waste. I mean who REALLY looked at more than a few of them them for all that long and from different angles? Hopefully like the trophies, the stickers will come with a little bit of basic information as well.
I think there will be collectible trophies as well but just the assist trophies this time.
Also the appearance of the Big Brain professor makes it pretty clear Sakurai isn't ignoring the "new" Nintendo in favor of the classic Nintendo.
This makes it even more likely we'll see a customizable Mii as a fighter. Maybe even a Wii Sports themed stage. I bet we'll get some kind of funky Brain Age assist trophy as well. Maybe a big floating head?
Post by: Mashiro on August 14, 2007, 08:36:03 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 14, 2007, 08:37:56 PM
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Many of the stickers are of characters that are already in the game. Are these stickers hinting at characters being in Brawl? :p
The images seem to be stock for other games, really. Like the shot of Wario from Strikers, and what... so I really wouldn't look that deeply into it, unless you find an original image.
I was partly joking considering that every time we get an update we analyze it to death.
But its hard to deny that the stickers are of characters we know are in the game, so I suspect a couple of them are also in the game.
Mashiro, that DK pic is from Mario Baseball on the GC.
Post by: Arbok on August 14, 2007, 08:38:33 PM
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What's that image of DK from? The one with the boxing glove? And what's he holding in his other hand?
It's from Mario Baseball:
Post by: Michael8983 on August 14, 2007, 08:41:08 PM
Good question. It's the only graphic I DON'T recognize.
I'm thinking it has to be from DK64 which is the only game I recall Donkey putting on boxing gloves in. But that wasn't until the very, VERY last boss.
So I don't see why there'd be promotional art for it.
Edit: Aww, now I feel dumb. The ONE Mario sports title I haven't played lol.
Post by: Kairon on August 14, 2007, 08:42:51 PM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 14, 2007, 08:49:24 PM
I mean, how long does it take them to turn old JPG files into stickers? 1 minute?
Post by: Smoke39 on August 14, 2007, 08:49:41 PM
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Stickers are, like I said, micro-rewards. They don't replace trophies, but introduce another, more frequent, micro-sized reward system that can give players reasons to play again and again and again.
Or not. Collecting useless items for the sake of a complete collection is just a chore to me.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 14, 2007, 09:02:46 PM
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Stickers are, like I said, micro-rewards. They don't replace trophies, but introduce another, more frequent, micro-sized reward system that can give players reasons to play again and again and again.
Or not. Collecting useless items for the sake of a complete collection is just a chore to me.
I agree. The stickers are going to have less appeal than Melee's trophies.
Post by: Mashiro on August 14, 2007, 09:02:49 PM
Oh and thank you for pointing out what game it was from. It did look like he was holding a baseball but it was so squished I wasn't sure that's what it was (And the boxing glove threw me off).
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 14, 2007, 09:08:37 PM
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So . . . them adding little things that may be fun for some = bad?
Oh and thank you for pointing out what game it was from. It did look like he was holding a baseball but it was so squished I wasn't sure that's what it was (And the boxing glove threw me off).
It ain't bad, but considering we have a bigger single player mode along with a huge multiplayer mode who's going to dedicate their time on the stickers?
Cute feature but the other modes are calling.
Post by: Mashiro on August 14, 2007, 09:14:39 PM
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So . . . them adding little things that may be fun for some = bad?
Oh and thank you for pointing out what game it was from. It did look like he was holding a baseball but it was so squished I wasn't sure that's what it was (And the boxing glove threw me off).
It ain't bad, but considering we have a bigger single player mode along with a huge multiplayer mode who's going to dedicate their time on the stickers?
Cute feature but the other modes are calling.
Yeah but as the update says, you get them by just playing so I don't see how it really cuts into playing time in terms of getting the stickers. It's something that may be fun to mess around with once all the major modes are out of the way.
Post by: Smoke39 on August 14, 2007, 09:17:51 PM
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So . . . them adding little things that may be fun for some = bad?
No. I'm just expressing my personal reason for being disinterested.
Post by: Arbok on August 14, 2007, 09:18:21 PM
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So . . . them adding little things that may be fun for some = bad?
It's not bad... it's just nothing really to get excited about. For many of us, I don't think it's a feature we will really use, although I suppose there is a small niche out there that will really enjoy it.
Post by: nickmitch on August 14, 2007, 09:31:02 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 14, 2007, 09:40:08 PM
I had a friend who referred to Katamari Damacy as gamer crack. That's what Smash Bros. is looking like to me.
...Geez, stop whining you puffy, status quo, hardcore-minded gamers. Don't like it? Fine. But don't belittle a feature just because you want to get to pwning newbs as fast as possible.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 14, 2007, 10:05:21 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 15, 2007, 12:15:20 AM
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Some of the wording in this update makes it sound like trophies are still in. If they are that would just be to much to collect in my opinion.
There is no such thing as "too much to collect"... >=|
Customizing and screencapping makes this an incredibly cool update...
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Who's the cowboy? I thought it was Wario from afar, but...that was obviously wrong.
Post by: Smoke39 on August 15, 2007, 12:16:55 AM
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...Geez, stop whining you puffy, status quo, hardcore-minded gamers.
I think you're taking this a little too personally. Did your mother traumatize you by calling you a packrat when you were a child or something?
Post by: Mario on August 15, 2007, 12:24:01 AM
I like stickers!
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 15, 2007, 01:25:51 AM
If you can send your Sticker Art to your friends this could be alot of fun, sending "Sticker comics" and people creating an ongoing story so to speak in art.
Post by: stevey on August 15, 2007, 02:05:35 AM
*looks at screens* OMG milk bottle! Malon confirm!
*Falls into deepening denial*
Post by: Robageejammin on August 15, 2007, 02:31:23 AM
Post by: Pale on August 15, 2007, 02:46:21 AM
Also, why would these replace trophies if...
A. There is an item in game called an "Assist Trophy" which means the concept is being carried through.
B. The characters in story mode still start out as trophies, which further means the concept is being carried through.
C. "Stickers are easier to get a hold of than trophies. Just play the game and you’ll start to earn them as rewards." How would they be easier to get a hold of than something that isn't even in the game? Stop freaking out everyone.
Post by: Strell on August 15, 2007, 02:57:39 AM
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Post by: Ceric on August 15, 2007, 03:55:16 AM
You know I'm really surprised no one, Uncle Bob, mentioned the possibility of creating a custom sticker sheet and sending it off to Nintendo and have them mail you the sticker set for a certain amount of WiiPoints of course. That would make me very excited about these is if I can get real stickers from them.
Post by: Mario on August 15, 2007, 04:21:20 AM
Post by: mantidor on August 15, 2007, 05:16:54 AM
I like this update a lot and don't understand the complains at all.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2007, 05:53:25 AM
I'll put that box of fire ants in the mail right away if Brawl is poorly balanced because Sakurai had the dev team working on the sticker interface instead of beta testing.
Post by: Louieturkey on August 15, 2007, 06:22:05 AM
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With all of the extras being added, the core gameplay had better already be polished and balanced to the nth degree.
I'll put that box of fire ants in the mail right away if Brawl is poorly balanced because Sakurai had the dev team working on the sticker interface instead of beta testing.
Yes, Sakurai has had the entire team working on stickers for the last 12 months. This game has actually changed from focusing on fighting to focusing on collecting stickers making comics out of them. Smash Bros has become a non-game.
Lighten up. As Pap said, it takes all of 1 minute to change a jpg into a sticker most likely. I wouldn't be suprised if this was an extra feature added after the game was done and Sakurai had extra time after finishing and decided to add some extra features just for the fun of it.
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Post by: KDR_11k on August 15, 2007, 08:20:56 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 15, 2007, 08:57:57 AM
They should have the freedom and the time to go crazy with stickers, trophies, and whatever else floats there boat. But also I notice that many of the stickers are based off of other games concept art, and probably didn't distract the art team whatsoever.
People really like to complain alot when they talk about games they have high expectations for. Well for me, my expectations would not be meet if the little details and added game modes and bonuses were not in there. Stickers is a really cool plus, and I am glad to see it in there whether or not I use it on a regular basis.
Post by: Adrock on August 15, 2007, 09:16:10 AM
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Yes, Sakurai has had the entire team working on stickers for the last 12 months. This game has actually changed from focusing on fighting to focusing on collecting stickers making comics out of them. Smash Bros has become a non-game.
*sarcasm machine explodes*
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2007, 09:16:30 AM
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Yes, Sakurai has had the entire team working on stickers for the last 12 months. This game has actually changed from focusing on fighting to focusing on collecting stickers making comics out of them. Smash Bros has become a non-game.
Lighten up. As Pap said, it takes all of 1 minute to change a jpg into a sticker most likely. I wouldn't be suprised if this was an extra feature added after the game was done and Sakurai had extra time after finishing and decided to add some extra features just for the fun of it.
You're right. I mean, Melee had a chunk of its development budget spent on making trophies, and it's not like Melee was rushed, filled with clones and horribly unbalanced.
Oh wait...
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang Stickers is a really cool plus, and I am glad to see it in there whether or not I use it on a regular basis.
You won't, though. You'll try it a couple times, then, like the trophies, you'll forget the mode exists and go back to the multiplayer, which you'll be playing for the next 5-6 years like the rest of us.
Personally, I don't want to have to play as a f*cking space animal if I hope to compete in online tournaments, and if that's the case yet AGAIN in Brawl, then I'm going to ring the neck of everyone I meet IRL who mentions how much they love the trophies/stickers.
Seriously, put this sh*t up on the VC for $5, call it "Nintendo Sticker Fun" and let that be the end of it.
Post by: Mashiro on August 15, 2007, 09:41:26 AM
*in before people complain about how sticker mode means Brawl will have less production value because it used team resources*
but I figured it would start a dumb argument. It's a shame it had to pop up anyway.
"ZOMG EXTRAS ZOMG IT'S HORRIBLE! EVERYONES GOING TO PLAY MULTIPLAYER WHO NEEDS EXTRA MODES!?!?!"
They sky is falling the sky is falling blah blah blah.
You know just because YOU don't think you will play around with the mode at all doesn't mean others won't. So stop freaking out about.
Post by: UERD on August 15, 2007, 09:56:54 AM
But gameplay is paramount anyways. I wish they'd talk about how they're testing or balancing the game, instead of just saying 'ooh, look at all our innovative gameplay mechanics'. Are the new mechanics exploitable? Are there going to be abilities that are horribly overused or underused? Are characters in different weight classes going to be evenly matched against each other? These are the questions I'm *really* interested in.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 15, 2007, 10:01:31 AM
Oy! I still go back to look through my trophies! (
my Marin and Ayumi Tachibana trophies...Most under-appreciated heroines ever!) "Personally, I don't want to have to play as a f*cking space animal if I hope to compete in online tournaments"
Then don't ****ing play, it's as simple as that...Or ironically, learn how to play...
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2007, 10:06:43 AM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro You know just because YOU don't think you will play around with the mode at all doesn't mean others won't. So stop freaking out about.
I love how as soon as I mention anything negative about this game (or when ANYONE mentions anything negative about this game), people immediately accuse them of "freaking out".
First of all, yes, I do think Sora should focus entirely upon the core gameplay before they do anything with extras, but neither my opinion or yours expressed here will change what they decide to do with their time.
Second, that doesn't change the fact that I think this mode is the most idiotic thing they've done in a while. "Sticker Mode"? SSBM received a T rating for violence and I doubt Brawl will be any different. Who above the age of 13 would have the intellect to appreciate this kind of thing? This is a glorified version of the Photo Channel, which I'm sure we all played with for 15-20 minutes and then we were done with it.
That said, if they're going to give us extras, how about extras that don't SUCK?
How about a costume change mode, where you can alter the appearance of a character, add decals to them, and bind them to your name so that, whenever you play as Link, for example, he'll be wearing the decals you customized for him on his shield, tabard, etc.
Or maybe a character mod mode, where you can alter the size, strength and proportions of a character, then save the template and use them in a special "mod mode" where you can play as your modded character.
Trophies and stickers are cute and everything, but I'll never understand why engaging in Nintendo fansturbation seems to be acceptable as an extra while awesome extras like the ones in F-Zero GX, for example, go overlooked when they'd add assloads of replay value to the game.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 15, 2007, 10:08:17 AM
Want a hint why?
=3
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2007, 10:09:07 AM
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Then don't ****ing play, it's as simple as that...Or ironically, learn how to play...
I don't want to start this argument again, but the bottom line is, SSBM has tiers, and when online tournaments start popping up (provided Strell doesn't win his bet), then the people who still deny the existence of tiers are in for a very rude awakening.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 15, 2007, 10:10:29 AM
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Yes, Sakurai has had the entire team working on stickers for the last 12 months. This game has actually changed from focusing on fighting to focusing on collecting stickers making comics out of them. Smash Bros has become a non-game.
Lighten up. As Pap said, it takes all of 1 minute to change a jpg into a sticker most likely. I wouldn't be suprised if this was an extra feature added after the game was done and Sakurai had extra time after finishing and decided to add some extra features just for the fun of it.
You're right. I mean, Melee had a chunk of its development budget spent on making trophies, and it's not like Melee was rushed, filled with clones and horribly unbalanced.
Oh wait...
Even the trophies were rushed and unbalanced the final tally was an odd number, many of them were ripped from existing game elements (like 2D Sprite Birdo) and many characters were missing (Dixie and K.Rool but no Diddy?).
I have to agree with S_B. The stickers are not a bad idea, but its NOT the core gameplay. Its a bonus feature so it shouldn't be the main focus during the development. Working hard on making the online mode work flawlessly should be a very important focus.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 15, 2007, 10:11:45 AM
Post by: Strell on August 15, 2007, 10:13:45 AM
Christ...
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2007, 10:32:19 AM
This about how Brawl is more than likely going to have tiers as well. Every fighting game has them. It's inevitable.
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Oh, and I hate hearing this "tiers" word, mainly because it's said by people who don't play the game right in the first place... =)
So you're just going to tell people who stomp you online that they're "not playing the game right"? Mind if I borrow that?
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2007, 10:33:59 AM
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Want a hint why?
What does my avatar have to do with me or other people being accused of freaking out?
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 15, 2007, 10:40:30 AM
This has to be the most brilliant case of "not getting it" I've seen all day!
"So you're just going to tell people who stomp you online that they're "not playing the game right"? Mind if I borrow that?"
You're implying I'd actually play people in a "no-items on Final Destination" scenario...
Post by: Mashiro on August 15, 2007, 10:40:52 AM
Furthermore, tiers are in a lot of fighting games. They exist and it's a fact everyone should be used to by now.
Who cares though? Like I said yeah Link isn't top tier but does that mean he's bad? No.
I'm not saying certain characters in Melee were underpowered due to balancing issues. I'm just saying their will be "tiers" regardless of how well things are balanced.
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Oh god, we aren't starting the argument about how Melee is apparently a steaming POS again, are we?
Christ...
Yeah here we go again.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 15, 2007, 10:44:35 AM
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"What does my avatar have to do with me or other people being accused of freaking out?"
This has to be the most brilliant case of "not getting it" I've seen all day!
Well, what you are trying to imply is far too subtle to get.
I mean, S_B's icon is a 3D, rotating aircraft. What does that have anything to do with people freaking out? That the spinning aircraft is a metaphor for loosing control over your logic? That S_B and others are constantly spinning their opinions around?
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 15, 2007, 11:00:42 AM
Post by: Mashiro on August 15, 2007, 11:03:15 AM
MEGATHREAD REBORN!
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 15, 2007, 11:08:44 AM
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Oh, and I hate hearing this "tiers" word, mainly because it's said by people who don't play the game right in the first place... =)
Exactly
Everyone that says Melee is broken with tiers needs to check what the official tiers are more often. The tier list in Melee is ALWAYS changing because characters that were thought used to suck, are suddenly moved up several levels. This is because there are people that actually took the time to master some of the so called low tier characters enter a tournament and finally show people how to play as these characters.
And I for one can tell you Melee's tier list is crap when as a Luigi player out of my group of friends I normally beat the Fox and Marth player of the group more often then lost. Now last time I saw a tier list Luigi was considered mid to low tier while Marth and Fox were top tier. Now if Melee was so horribly unbalanced then the Fox and Marth player should beat me everytime, yet I'm the one who won more often.
Now I am better then the Fox player, but the Marth player is even with me. That's why the matches between me and him were always close and came down to both of us with only 1 stock left and damage over 100% on each side.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2007, 11:26:21 AM
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Was it really that hard to figure out that I used his avatar in place of "Because it's you, Smash_Brother"?
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I love how as soon as I mention anything negative about this game (or when ANYONE mentions anything negative about this game), people immediately accuse them of "freaking out".
As I said already, I've seen the "freaking out" accusation flung at many people across many boards, and always when they disagree with popular opinion about SSBB. The first thing people try to do to rattle an argument they disagree with is to accuse the person making the argument of not being in their right mind.
It's a covert means of attacking the debater and not the argument.
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You're implying I'd actually play people in a "no-items on Final Destination" scenario...
So you won't be playing in any online tournaments, then?
I love SSB in any way it's played, on any level with any setting, be it 1v1, 3v1 or 4vAll.
Items do make the game fun, yes, but their presence means the game is based more on luck and less on straight up skill. If you want to truly know where you stand against another player on skill and skill alone, they need to be shut off.
Meanwhile, back to the topic...
In conclusion, the sticker mode sucks and is a worthless use of development resources. Give us some extras which, god forbid, actually influence the core gameplay (like slow mo mode, tiny mode, giant mode, etc.).
The game will be rated T for Teen. I don't know any teenagers who still play with stickers.
Post by: Mashiro on August 15, 2007, 11:28:44 AM
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In conclusion, the sticker mode sucks and is a worthless use of development resources. Give us some extras which, god forbid, actually influence the core gameplay (like slow mo mode, tiny mode, giant mode, etc.).
Who said those modes won't be coming back?
Also I enjoy the extra sticker mode, it doesn't suck.
oh and welcome back megathread!
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2007, 11:35:16 AM
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Also I enjoy the extra sticker mode, it doesn't suck.
And you're entitled to that opinion.
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oh and welcome back megathread!
"WHAT?! A DISSENTING OPINION?! All is lost forever!"
I wasn't aware that dissenting opinions would destroy this thread forever.
I think the sticker mode is a terrible idea.
Deal.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 15, 2007, 11:36:21 AM
That'd be pretty sad if there were ZERO online tourneys that played with items...
"I don't know any teenagers who still play with stickers."
Oh good grief, I don't know any teenagers that play with toy figurines either...
"MEGATHREAD REBORN!"
Dammit, I proclaim Smash_Brother make a side topic where he can complain about how much Stickers suck all he wants... =|
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 15, 2007, 11:38:07 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2007, 11:39:20 AM
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Dammit, I proclaim Smash_Brother make a side topic where he can complain about how much Stickers suck all he wants... =|
Why? Because my opinion is different from yours and therefore deserves to be pushed out so you can have this thread as a grand old circle of head nodding?
Post by: Mashiro on August 15, 2007, 11:40:04 AM
I don't have to deal with anything.You're the one who's going to have to deal with a game that is less satisfactory to you because of a sticker mode.
*prediction: when the game launches something small will annoy S_B and he will rant about how the sticker mode ruined the game because it took away development time from the main game.*
Note: It's not my "I don't like the sticker mode" stance that annoys me it's this "man this is stupid crap that will end up taking away time needed from the main game to be good" stance that annoys me.
There's a reason the game was delayed a year and it wasn't for a sticker mode.
Post by: UERD on August 15, 2007, 11:41:17 AM
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I mean, S_B's icon is a 3D, rotating aircraft. What does that have anything to do with people freaking out? That the spinning aircraft is a metaphor for loosing control over your logic? That S_B and others are constantly spinning their opinions around?
lawl, brilliant
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All I'm going to say is that I like the stickers idea, but Smash_Brothers has a point.
QFT, but I am personally 'indifferent' to the stickers. If they get gameplay right, all is forgiven. If they do screw up, though, I think fans are going to be asking some hard (rhetorical) questions. (Rhetorical because the creator won't ever hear most of them or care even if he does).
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 15, 2007, 11:43:51 AM
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Dammit, I proclaim Smash_Brother make a side topic where he can complain about how much Stickers suck all he wants... =|
Why? Because my opinion is different from yours and therefore deserves to be pushed out so you can have this thread as a grand old circle of head nodding?
If the game comes out with lazy clones, I think your opinion will be justified.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2007, 11:51:51 AM
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There's a reason the game was delayed a year and it wasn't for a sticker mode.
I don't expect that the sticker mode was the reason for any delay. I also understand that Sora isn't rushed this time around so it shouldn't be a problem.
But yeah, if they have clones AGAIN, I'll be pissed off, sure. I don't expect it though.
None of that changes the fact that I think sticker mode misses its age aim by 5-6 years. It just seems like an immensely odd thing to bother to add to SSBB.
It feels like something which should have been added to the Wii Photo Channel through an update rather than shoehorned into a game, or they should have just saved it for Mario Paint.
For the record, I LOVE the assist trophy idea because it means that collecting trophies will now have an actual influence on gameplay. I wouldn't mind if all the Pokemans were trophies and you had to "catch" it before it could appear in a Pokeball in the middle of a game, sure.
If they're bothering to add a sticker mode, then I hope to hell they have a screenshot interface built into the mid-game pause menu, complete with the same controls from the camera mode in SSBM and everything.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 15, 2007, 12:11:47 PM
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Dammit, I proclaim Smash_Brother make a side topic where he can complain about how much Stickers suck all he wants... =|
Why? Because my opinion is different from yours and therefore deserves to be pushed out so you can have this thread as a grand old circle of head nodding?
This thread must be cleansed of any impure thought and opinion about Brawl. You must be removed because you are like a tumor to this thread.
Now shoo! Shoo I say before Bill sends his lolies out to get you!
Post by: nickmitch on August 15, 2007, 12:14:33 PM
*I based this on absolutely nothing.
Post by: Louieturkey on August 15, 2007, 12:35:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherNone of that changes the fact that I think sticker mode misses its age aim by 5-6 years. It just seems like an immensely odd thing to bother to add to SSBB.
You are implying that they are only aiming at one demographic. If you recall, they put in 4 different control schemes into this game just to make it easier for new people wanting to play to learn at their own pace. They want this game to appeal to everyone and throwing in the stickers will appeal to not just little kids, but also some of Nintendo's new demographic provided by the Wii like girls of all ages and old people who would find it cute.
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I love how as soon as I mention anything negative about this game (or when ANYONE mentions anything negative about this game), people immediately accuse them of "freaking out".
Well when you speculate on something that is baseless, that's when you are considered "freaking out". You complain about one thing because something else is not accounced yet. Stickers look like they would be so easy to implement that they were worked on by artists who had already finished their other work and by the assistant to the assistant graphic designer's assistant who wouldn't know how to balance a fork on his finger.
I'm guessing the juiciest and most awesome information will come in November, when the release is immenent and they can really hype the game to all the fans.
Post by: JonLeung on August 15, 2007, 01:09:26 PM
In SSB:M, after receiving the Pikmin trophy, I wanted EVERY freaking Nintendo game to unlock a new trophy. Then trophies would prove how much of a Nintendo fan I am (except that my Blockbuster never did carry Chibi-Robo and I never got around to Odama...). The problem with that is that SSB:M would have to be set up in at least one of three ways:
a) the new trophy data would have to exist in the original game, with five years worth of games planned out, which would require too much foresight.
b) OR, the new trophy data would have to be on some online database, but the GameCube's online capabilities were never truly tapped.
c) OR, the new trophy data would have to be included in the save files of every Nintendo game made, with SSB:M already programmed to scan all the saves on the Memory Cards and be ready to extract data from them - and 3D models probably take up quite a bit of space which would balloon save files which would not be cool for non-SSB:M owners.
However, stickers are simple 2D images, which would take next to no time to download, or add minimal extra space to saved games, which makes b) and c) above now feasible. I would prefer b) so that we could get stickers for Wii games that already exist that likely do not have sticker data.
UNLIMITED COLLECTING! Okay, maybe not unlimited, but quite expandable!
While I prefer trophies to stickers, you could probably collect a lot more stickers especially with the possibilities above, you can do more stuff with them, and multiple ones would serve an actual purpose.
Post by: Louieturkey on August 15, 2007, 01:22:25 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 15, 2007, 01:25:53 PM
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countless posts by Smash_Brother
Everyone's got a little Ian in them!
Post by: Adrock on August 15, 2007, 02:14:28 PM
Sticker mode was probably created by one programmer in a matter of hours. If there are any balance issues and whatnot, I'd hardly consider this the deal breaker. This was added specifically for completion whores.
I consider Smash Bros. a celebration of Nintendo history (now with 3rd parties) so sticker mode is fine by me. I'd love to see a Nintendo museum or sorts where you can read up on old Nintendo games and DVD-9 space permitting, old commercials and trailers. Not likely, but it'd be cool.
Also, I like the idea of making single frame comics out of the stickers. I hope you could make comics out of pictures taken in Photo mode (granted there is one). And if there are word bubbles... this mode has limitless potential... especially if you can send them through WiiConnect24.
Post by: Pale on August 15, 2007, 02:56:32 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2007, 03:24:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Louieturkey You are implying that they are only aiming at one demographic
...but the game will have a T rating, implying that no one under 13 should be playing it, hence why the sticker addition seems odd to me.
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Well when you speculate on something that is baseless, that's when you are considered "freaking out".
But everything speculated upon here is basically baseless. There's no REAL information held by anyone except for what Sakurai publishes.
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Stickers look like they would be so easy to implement that they were worked on by artists who had already finished their other work and by the assistant to the assistant graphic designer's assistant who wouldn't know how to balance a fork on his finger.
I'm hoping this is the case, but in terms of budgets, these people had to be paid in order to work on this idea. They didn't just volunteer their time or something.
Also, I detect an interesting tone in his words: "I’d like to introduce a new collection element to the game—stickers. Yes, the ones you slap on your notebook or skateboard or whatever. Stickers." as if he expects the "WTF" factor involved in it.
Post by: Mashiro on August 15, 2007, 03:28:35 PM
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But everything speculated upon here is basically baseless. There's no REAL information held by anyone except for what Sakurai publishes.
That's not really true.
Post by: UERD on August 15, 2007, 03:30:21 PM
Post by: Arbok on August 15, 2007, 03:36:20 PM
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And I for one can tell you Melee's tier list is crap when as a Luigi player out of my group of friends I normally beat the Fox and Marth player of the group more often then lost. Now last time I saw a tier list Luigi was considered mid to low tier while Marth and Fox were top tier. Now if Melee was so horribly unbalanced then the Fox and Marth player should beat me everytime, yet I'm the one who won more often.
QFT. Melee has tiers, just about any game with any complexity does... but as Luigi Dude stated, it's not static. The metagame changes, and people like Jigglypuff, who never got much attention, are suddenly being elevated as strategies are forming that are working well against the more used characters. Really, Melee is not even close to being "broken". If someone selects Fox, and you select Mario should you just toss the controller down because they have already won? Hardly.
Melee had a problem with a few of its characters being too weak (Kirby, Mewtwo, Pichu, Bowser)... but really it's only a handful of guys from the entire roster, and there are more than enough left to make the current metagame fun and exciting, if you choose to play exclusively one-on-one without items.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 15, 2007, 03:36:25 PM
And I'm part of the "so what? crowd. I mean, it couldn't possibly have taken long to add in.
Post by: nickmitch on August 15, 2007, 03:36:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Louieturkey You are implying that they are only aiming at one demographic
...but the game will have a T rating, implying that no one under 13 should be playing it, hence why the sticker addition seems odd to me.
ESRB ratings only matter when Take2 is involved.
Post by: Kairon on August 15, 2007, 03:40:18 PM
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...but the game will have a T rating, implying that no one under 13 should be playing it, hence why the sticker addition seems odd to me.
Please don't tell me you now subscribe to ratings literally.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 15, 2007, 03:45:19 PM
Post by: Pale on August 15, 2007, 03:55:24 PM
Suck it up. You're a Nintendo fan. Nintendo gives us fun things like stickers.
Post by: Pale on August 15, 2007, 03:59:02 PM
JESUS CHRIST, this is not what the industry is about. Think about it. I feel like I'm at freaking work. The fact that Nintendo is allowing such a silly and fun feature in is AWESOME! The second people take these things that seriously... the second teams start worrying about running over budget... THAT is when games suck. That is when quality drops off in favor of efficiency. You really are against creativity if you are worried about that stuff.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 15, 2007, 04:22:45 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2007, 04:27:32 PM
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ESRB ratings only matter when Take2 is involved.
Heh, sad but likely true.
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Suck it up. You're a Nintendo fan. Nintendo gives us fun things like stickers.
Stickers are boring, bland and uninteresting. It has nothing to do with age.
I just think there are so many better ideas they could be implementing, like adding customization to characters, even if it is only visually. I'm sure both hardcore and new players alike would love it if they could decorate a character to their liking, be it with color scheme or just decals, like changing the emblem on Link's shield to one you designed.
Sorry if I'm taking an idea from Animal Crossing here, but if we're going to get little fluff additions, they could at least be additions which actually have something to do with the game itself.
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I love it when S_B starts flailing about, blurting out incomprehensible words every which way.
And I love it that you need to wait until the entire thread has shown hostility toward me to summon enough courage to scurry out of your hole and "join" the crusade.
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Did no one read my explanation? Doesn't it seem logical? Doesn't it make sense? If we all just pretend that what I said was true, then there's nothing to argue about.
You make perfect sense. I truly hope that this was only done because there was time to kill in the schedule.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 15, 2007, 04:33:12 PM
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I love it when S_B starts flailing about, blurting out incomprehensible words every which way. I also equally love it when pap comes in if only to give S_B a pat on the shoulder and doesn't actually add anything useful to the argument.
The funny thing? Back when Melee was released and S_B was ranting about it I hated his guts because my anticipation for the game was so high that anything negative about it bugged me to no end.
But enough about that. What I find so funny about this argument is that everyone's telling everyone to chill out about the sticker option when they took his comments about it a little too personally.
I do agree that this comments are harsh, especially since this is going to be a throw away feature that everyone will forget once the real SSB fin begins. But at the same time everyone's taking this way to heart. Its a silly feature perhaps not even worth fighting about. Some will like it, others won't. Yet the minute someone spoke negatively about it its like that person insulted someone very close to their family.
This isn't the first time someone has gotten crap over speaking negatively about Brawl. If you remember everyone gave Golden a hard time over the single player mode simply because she said that we don't know how its going to turn out and even I was attacked when I started to suspect that the extended one player could be a way to excuse the lack of online features (since nothing was said about at the moment).
People, we are all highly anticipating Brawl but its not worth giving each other crap about. S_B isn't the only one that needs to lighten up around here...
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on August 15, 2007, 04:40:07 PM
Post by: UERD on August 15, 2007, 04:41:34 PM
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With all of the extras being added, the core gameplay had better already be polished and balanced to the nth degree.
It's true. And if the gameplay isn't top-notch, they won't have any excuse whatsoever- whether it be something serious like budget or schedule constraints or silly like the stickers.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 15, 2007, 04:50:10 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2007, 06:57:19 PM
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Originally posted by: UERD It's true. And if the gameplay isn't top-notch, they won't have any excuse whatsoever- whether it be something serious like budget or schedule constraints or silly like the stickers.
I know it wouldn't be the stickers.
I'm just saying that, if the game DID come out and had issues like that, I think we'll all be saying, "What the hell? You guys had time for crap like stickers but not balance?"
I ain't that worried. I'm sorry if I sounded like an alarmist earlier, but I maintain that this is something that belongs in Mario Paint and not SSBB.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 15, 2007, 07:02:05 PM
Also, you know what SSBB needs? The ability to win a trophy for real, if you win a certain type of tournament you get a trophy of your choice made in real life (3d printer) and shipped to you, the people who don't win get a number of their stickers printed out. That would be some incentive.
Post by: Louieturkey on August 15, 2007, 07:03:27 PM
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I'm sure both hardcore and new players alike would love it if they could decorate a character to their liking, be it with color scheme or just decals...
Decals, or possibly stickers in the game?! Guess S_B really does like the sticker idea.
Post by: nickmitch on August 15, 2007, 07:10:13 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2007, 07:16:59 PM
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Decals, or possibly stickers in the game?! Guess S_B really does like the sticker idea.
I mean like the ones you could use in F-Zero GX and apply them to your car, except that you could edit them yourself and apply them to your characters as you chose.
Yes, I acknowledge that it might present the opportunity for obscenity, but so didn't Animal Crossing and Mario Kart and both of those went online.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 15, 2007, 07:40:20 PM
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I don't think clones are a result of too little time but too few ideas. When SSBM was released Luigi was just Mario with minor changes in all the games so why should he suddently have a completely different moveset? Pichu is a closely related species to Pikachu AFAIK so again a different playstyle would be strange. Young Link IS Link. Roy and Marth are both regular swordfighters, there's only so much you can do with that in a game like SSBM. Ganondorf being the same as Capt Falcon is a bit strange but then again Ganondorf isn't really defined in the games to a degree that could dictate a playstyle (same thing for Captain Falcon).
I believe one has to be in denial to suggest that the clones were anything but lazy. Just because a character has similar traits doesn't mean they have to have exactly the same movesets. Heck with Luigi he recently had his own game, which could have been utilized to provide him with a different moveset (Maybe with the vacuum cleaner?). Young Link could have had a different moveset, maybe one that emphasized his youth. Roy and Marth, didn't have to be exactly the same they could have been given different sword fighting techniques and special moves. Pichu, I don't know because I don't follow Pokemon. And Ganondorf is the worse offender because his moveset could have been based off 3 different games (Including the stuff his Ganon form did). When you have one of the most feared dark wizards in Hyrule copy a race car driver you have problems.
Post by: anubis6789 on August 15, 2007, 07:45:26 PM
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I'm hoping this is the case, but in terms of budgets, these people had to be paid in order to work on this idea. They didn't just volunteer their time or something.
Actually, people volunteering their time happens a lot in software development, especially when the person has a deep passion for whatever they are developing.
Post by: Arbok on August 15, 2007, 07:48:54 PM
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Actually, people volunteering their time happens a lot in software development, especially when the person has a deep passion for whatever they are developing.
Wouldn't be that surprised with a project like this anyway, since it's well known that the team were "Melee nuts" prior to working on the game.
...I would still like to know who the team is also. The made a big deal about that at the start, but emphasis on it has been more or less dropped now.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2007, 07:52:24 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix When you have one of the most feared dark wizards in Hyrule copy a race car driver you have problems.
That, and he swung that awesome sword around in his winning animation.
Ganondorf was, by far, the worst offender. He went from being an evil wizard to an evil ninja.
I hope to god he has his moveset from one of the recent Zelda games in Brawl.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 15, 2007, 07:56:31 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix When you have one of the most feared dark wizards in Hyrule copy a race car driver you have problems.
That, and he swung that awesome sword around in his winning animation.
Ganondorf was, by far, the worst offender. He went from being an evil wizard to an evil ninja.
I hope to god he has his moveset from one of the recent Zelda games in Brawl.
Also Ganondorf was still established, even if you had to use some of his magical attacks from LTTP and LoZ. Falcon on the otherhand they could do anything with because all we knew about him is that he drives a fast futuristic race car!
Post by: Arbok on August 15, 2007, 07:57:40 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
That, and he swung that awesome sword around in his winning animation.
Ganondorf was, by far, the worst offender. He went from being an evil wizard to an evil ninja.
I hope to god he has his moveset from one of the recent Zelda games in Brawl.
I loved Ganondorf's playstyle in Melee, though. The "bulky" Captain Falcon just really worked for me. I hope someone else carries the torch, like Deathborn... although I find the chance of that happening pretty much non-existent.
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Falcon on the otherhand they could do anything with because all we knew about him is that he drives a fast futuristic race car!
The odd thing is that the Smash Bros interpretation of the character became canon in the end... I mean, he uses his "Falcon Punch" in the Anime:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 15, 2007, 08:02:12 PM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
I loved Ganondorf's playstyle in Melee, though.
Arbok the biggest Smash Brothers fan that is in denial.
Post by: anubis6789 on August 15, 2007, 08:03:34 PM
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Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
That, and he swung that awesome sword around in his winning animation.
Ganondorf was, by far, the worst offender. He went from being an evil wizard to an evil ninja.
I hope to god he has his moveset from one of the recent Zelda games in Brawl.
I loved Ganondorf's playstyle in Melee, though. The "bulky" Captain Falcon just really worked for me. I hope someone else carries the torch, like Deathborn... although I find the chance of that happening pretty much non-existent.Quote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Falcon on the otherhand they could do anything with because all we knew about him is that he drives a fast futuristic race car!
The odd thing is that the Smash Bros interpretation of the character became canon in the end... I mean, he uses his "Falcon Punch" in the Anime:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw
I will say it again; that had better be Captain Falcon's Final Smash.
Post by: Arbok on August 15, 2007, 08:04:22 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Arbok
I loved Ganondorf's playstyle in Melee, though.
Arbok the biggest Smash Brothers fan that is in denial.
Ganondorf was my favorite character to play as in Melee... how is that denial?
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2007, 08:08:34 PM
EDIT: Never mind. It's up.
Tethering (aka grappling hooks and the like) with Samus' whip is possible.
"And it’s not exclusive to Zero Suit Samus... Other characters can do it, too!"
Scorpion from Mortal Kombat, confirmed.
Post by: anubis6789 on August 15, 2007, 08:09:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
I loved Ganondorf's playstyle in Melee, though.
Arbok the biggest Smash Brothers fan that is in denial.
I also liked Ganondorf's playstyle, more so then I liked Captain Falcon's.
Although I hated the fact that they used Ganondorf to be Falcon's clone, when it should have been someone like Black Shadow, Deathborn (EDIT: I am an idiot, Deathborn was not even around at the time that Melee was being developed), or even Mach Rider.
Post by: Arbok on August 15, 2007, 08:10:04 PM
Nifty... although it seems, more or less, to function like Link's hookshot.
Post by: Sarail on August 15, 2007, 08:15:14 PM
Strange...
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Post by: Arbok on August 15, 2007, 08:17:34 PM
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What's crazy is that this move is Zero Suit's Up+B special... and I would think it would be her throw move ala Link's hookshot or Samus' grappling beam...
Strange...
EDIT: Seems I glanced over that in tonight's update... that really is interesting. Very different from the other recovery moves. It seems very... situationally, though. However, it would be a good method for bypassing a lot of the current edge guarding technique's.
Post by: anubis6789 on August 15, 2007, 08:20:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Rachtman
What's crazy is that this move is Zero Suit's Up+B special... and I would think it would be her throw move ala Link's hookshot or Samus' grappling beam...
Strange...
EDIT: Seems I glanced over that in tonight's update... that really is interesting. Very different from the other recovery moves.
Edit: thanks for editing your post Arbok, it made mine make no sense.
Post by: Arbok on August 15, 2007, 08:22:03 PM
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BUURRRRRRRNNNNNNN!!!
That was harsh Arbok.
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Edit: thanks for editing your post Arbok, it made mine make no sense.
I aim to please.
I seem to rush through the update on my first read through...
Post by: anubis6789 on August 15, 2007, 08:32:04 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
BUURRRRRRRNNNNNNN!!!
That was harsh Arbok.Quote
Originally posted by: anubis6789
Edit: thanks for editing your post Arbok, it made mine make no sense.
I aim to please.
I seem to rush through the update on my first read through...
Actually, my post made more sense then it did originally because you were burned, not Rachtman, but I too failed to read a couple of the subtitles to the pictures and as such I myself must say that I am burned for calling a burn that was not a good burn in the first place.
What have I become?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 15, 2007, 08:34:17 PM
Post by: Dasmos on August 15, 2007, 08:40:18 PM
QuoteI live in Australia, I was sleeping in my hole at the time.
Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
I love it when S_B starts flailing about, blurting out incomprehensible words every which way.
And I love it that you need to wait until the entire thread has shown hostility toward me to summon enough courage to scurry out of your hole and "join" the crusade.
QuoteSo you know how it feels, but you still do it?
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Originally posted by: Dasmos
I love it when S_B starts flailing about, blurting out incomprehensible words every which way. I also equally love it when pap comes in if only to give S_B a pat on the shoulder and doesn't actually add anything useful to the argument.
The funny thing? Back when Melee was released and S_B was ranting about it I hated his guts because my anticipation for the game was so high that anything negative about it bugged me to no end.
QuoteYou were both jumped on because you were making baseless unfounded assumptions, and not only that they were negative for the sake of being negative.
This isn't the first time someone has gotten crap over speaking negatively about Brawl. If you remember everyone gave Golden a hard time over the single player mode simply because she said that we don't know how its going to turn out and even I was attacked when I started to suspect that the extended one player could be a way to excuse the lack of online features (since nothing was said about at the moment).
Post by: anubis6789 on August 15, 2007, 08:41:24 PM
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This honestly makes her Up+B seem useless.
Yeah, I was just thinking that too, considering that it does not seem to give her any real vertical movement, but we do not know the whip's length or if you can aim it.
What happens if someone is hit by the whip? I wonder if this move acts kind of like Falcon Dive only with vertical movement after the grab move is preformed, if it is a grab move to begin with. If it is not a grab move could people just jump out to get hit by the whip to block it from touching the edge, thus letting Samus fall into oblivion?
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 15, 2007, 09:01:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Dasmos
You were both jumped on because you were making baseless unfounded assumptions, and not only that they were negative for the sake of being negative.
Give me a break. Isn't it funny that when someone says something negative about an update that they are being negative for the sake of being negative? Back during the single player update I stated we don't know enough about it to get excited, heck I said it had promise but at the moment that was all we could say. It is easy to say something is unfounded without giving specific examples.
It is funny that others who seen the single player update as positive were not baseless assumptions but those that questioned that we need to know more were unfounded concerns. The same goes to Smash and his statement that he hopes all the extras are not taking away from the focus on the gameplay. That seems to be a realistic concern, it isn't the first time it has happened. I'm sorry but it makes yourself and the majority of the posters here look very shallow, when critical and somewhat negative opinions of updates means that poster is only trying to be negative for the sake of being negative. With that logic I could say that the positive opinions of updates are only here to perpetuate a positive opinion of the game. I also find it odd that the individual whom seemingly adds least to discussions, and instead resorts to put downs, is accusing others of doing the same.
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Post by: Mashiro on August 16, 2007, 12:03:23 AM
Maybe Links hookshot will have some actually have some reach to it this time ::prays::.
Post by: Shecky on August 16, 2007, 01:29:46 AM
Edit: Either that or there is a sequence here.... She uses UP+B and then latches on with [a grab] .... where the later is implied and confusing us all.
Edit2: What they also fail to show is the bridge segment thats about to send ZSS to her doom anyways
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 16, 2007, 02:10:50 AM
1)It Auto Aims for ledges once being smashed/in the Air.
2)It allows you to Aim your whip in any direction.
I personally think this is going to be a very difficult move to pull off, but it is also pretty cool, it is a new means of recovery with some benefits and some...consequences. But the fact that other characters have this new recovery as well is pretty cool. It means more variety in my mind.
We know have 3 different UP B recovery systems:
1)The Up B Attack, that can led to recovery as well as attack opponents.
2)The Teleport specials. These Allow you to teleport back up to safety, and give you a better chance to recover since edge blocking is harder.
3)The Tether Recovery: Looks hard to pull off, but will have the benefit of defense against Edge guarding.
I hope this means that Link gets his Hook Shot as a weapon...that would be awesome. Or at least one of the versions of Link gets the hook shot for special attacks, and not just throws.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 16, 2007, 02:15:09 AM
Imagine missing the edge, but still being connected to the cliff, and wall jumping once, air jumping and you are back on the playing field ready to strike.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on August 16, 2007, 03:09:15 AM
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Why is this an "Up+B" move!? The update doesnt mention how the command is put in. Links tether grab was a throwing attack not an Up B so where is this clarified?
"She uses her up special move! She just manages to latch on!"
From the Smash Bros Site. That is why people are saying it is her Up B Special...because it is stated. True they don't specifically say UP B, but with so many different control methods you can't specify it that way.
Post by: Shecky on August 16, 2007, 03:22:31 AM
Someone with SSBM handy... can you perform Up+B and then grapple with Samus or Link?
It could also be that ZSS has two Up+B moves depending on if you have her whip or pistol engaged (a video showed her quickly switching between the two so it may be one of her specials to switch and that in turn affects her other special moves.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 16, 2007, 04:19:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Shecky
can you perform Up+B and then grapple with Samus or Link?
No. You can't do anything but control your fall after the Up+B unless someone hits you.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 16, 2007, 04:52:21 AM
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Originally posted by: Dasmos So you know how it feels, but you still do it?
He didn't mention that, after he got Melee, he realized I was right about it.
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You were both jumped on because you were making baseless unfounded assumptions.
No, I'm positive that stickers don't appeal to me. Given the fact that 90% of what's said here is baseless and unfounded, it's ironic that I'm being accused of speculating.
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With that logic I could say that the positive opinions of updates are only here to perpetuate a positive opinion of the game.
Funny you should mention that...
The last time I was attending a message board for SSB speculation, it was on the IGN SSB board awaiting Melee. Long story short, we whipped ourselves into a rabid fan frenzy and, when the game finally came out, a number of people on the boards were disappointed with it, a lot even leaving the boards and seeing what the Xbox was like, and I'm quite certain all of the hype had something to do with that. They could have used a dose of reality in the face of all that optimism.
If you're going to b*tch people out for expressing a negative opinion on some aspect of the game, then this thread is doomed to be nothing more than one big head nodding convention like IGN was and the game will probably fall short because expectations are only going to climb higher.
And for the record, todays update is yawn worthy as well (I expect that after a character announcement, though), unless the line about other characters being able to do it as well is hinting at a new whip user like Belmont.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 16, 2007, 05:06:21 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
You were both jumped on because you were making baseless unfounded assumptions.
No, I'm positive that stickers don't appeal to me.
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I'll put that box of fire ants in the mail right away if Brawl is poorly balanced because Sakurai had the dev team working on the sticker interface instead of beta testing.
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
It is funny that others who seen the single player update as positive were not baseless assumptions but those that questioned that we need to know more were unfounded concerns. The same goes to Smash and his statement that he hopes all the extras are not taking away from the focus on the gameplay.
Lack of evidence DOES NOT QUALIFY AS EVIDENCE...That is the whole issue here...There is no point in constantly whining about something when there's no evidence of it not being there...It's like the whining I saw about stickers replacing trophies when there was absolutely no evidence of that being the case...
Back on topic, if this is ZSS's Up+B, I wonder how it will work when she's on the ground...(Will it work like Sheik's whip? Will it shoot up and then fall straight down?)
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 16, 2007, 05:12:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I'll put that box of fire ants in the mail right away if Brawl is poorly balanced because Sakurai had the dev team working on the sticker interface instead of beta testing.
And I stand by it.
What assumption have I made here? I never said, "SINCE Brawl will be poorly balanced because the resources have been diverted by all these extras..."
And people here are making baseless assumptions when they assume Brawl WILL be balanced and well tested.
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Lack of evidence DOES NOT QUALIFY AS EVIDENCE...That is the whole issue here...There is no point in constantly whining about something when there's no evidence of it not being there
Just like there's no point in hoping for modes, levels and characters when there's no evidence of them being in the game, but we have those threads, don't we?
Post by: Louieturkey on August 16, 2007, 05:19:26 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 16, 2007, 05:22:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Louieturkey
But that's the point, those threads are about speculation. This thread is about facts. It's a discussion about the currect update on the Smashbros.com site. While there will be speculation about things because we cannot help ourselves, we try to keep that out of this thread. Speculation leads to megathreads.
Exactly...(But don't be afraid to speculate if it has something to do with the update itself...It's the off-topic "such and such will lead to such" rants I want to avoid...)
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 16, 2007, 05:56:33 AM
...Like how I think the whip update is bland and uninteresting.
Post by: UERD on August 16, 2007, 05:57:49 AM
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I drop something counter-consensus into this thread.
Bill's old 'OBEY' avatar comes to mind.
Post by: Arbok on August 16, 2007, 06:16:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
And people here are making baseless assumptions when they assume Brawl WILL be balanced and well tested.
I'll say it right now: there will be tiers in Brawl. Some character will probably be seen as too powerful, some character seen as too weak. It happens. If that qualifies as "untested" and "unbalanced" I suggest you avoid games in the fighting genre altogether.
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Long story short, we whipped ourselves into a rabid fan frenzy and, when the game finally came out, a number of people on the boards were disappointed with it, a lot even leaving the boards and seeing what the Xbox was like, and I'm quite certain all of the hype had something to do with that. They could have used a dose of reality in the face of all that optimism.
I was more excited for Melee than any other game when it came out. After release, it went on to become my favorite game of all time. You might think Melee is a poor game compared to the original... but that doesn't mean everyone does or that most of us have a reason to think we should be dissapointed with Brawl with the current hype.
I have no problem with you and GP expressing your opinion, but could both of you please stop the martyr act, like you are doing us all a favor with negative opinions.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 07:24:29 AM
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I have no problem with you and GP expressing your opinion, but could both of you please stop the martyr act, like you are doing us all a favor with negative opinions.
Shows how much you've read of what I've posted, I've praised Brawl on many occassions. What Smash and I are saying isn't that we are martyrs (Nice way to try to diffuse this with such a stupid comment) but that our opinions on the game are just as valid as anyone elses, that this doesn't need to be "Don't say anything bad about Smash Brothers Brawl thread". Believe it or not but sometimes it doesn't hurt to have opinions against the majority. What yourself and others are saying are doing nothing more than proving how vapid fanbois can be when it comes to opinions that may not correlate with your own.
I got jumped on when I suggested that we don't know enough about the single player to get hyped or not hyped about it, even when I said it showed promise. Then you jump over Smash for saying what? That he hopes extras like the stickers won't take away from the rest of the gameplay? Talk about being an overly sensitive fanboi. Personally I like the stickers but after being slightly let down by the seemingly rushed state of Melee (still a great game though) I worry about Brawl as well when I see all these neat little things.
Post by: Adrock on August 16, 2007, 07:38:30 AM
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I'll put that box of fire ants in the mail right away if Brawl is poorly balanced because Sakurai had the dev team working on the sticker interface instead of beta testing.
Development teams at Nintendo don't beta test. Nintendo has their own debugging team called the Super Mario Club and it's supposed to be one of the best in the world. I believe it considering how polished most Nintendo games are.
So really, this isn't the development team's fault. They submit a game for testing and await feedback. The publisher and to a lesser degree, the debugging team, are far more responsible for the release of an unbalanced or faulty game. The publisher wants to rush a game out to make money while the debugging team might actually miss something.
Post by: Arbok on August 16, 2007, 07:59:14 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
What Smash and I are saying isn't that we are martyrs (Nice way to try to diffuse this with such a stupid comment) but that our opinions on the game are just as valid as anyone elses, that this doesn't need to be "Don't say anything bad about Smash Brothers Brawl thread".
But yet you reach for the "fanboi" comment in that reply. Phrases like bringing things down to "land levels" and "bringing people to reality" have also been tossed around, adding in the element of wishing less to just get your opinion heard and more to act for the "greater good" for the sake of others. It just comes off as martyrdom to me, as people place them self as a victim while fending off others as "everything is positive" fanboys.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 16, 2007, 08:06:37 AM
Also, what is going on here is that the hype meter is so off the charts that when anyone mentions something negative or overly critical its like screeching nails on a chalkboard. Its what hype does, unfortunately. It gets your hopes up so much that the idea of it being flawed is an extremely foreign one (not that Brawl will be a bad game but rest assured there will be flaws present).
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 08:20:22 AM
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What Smash and I are saying isn't that we are martyrs (Nice way to try to diffuse this with such a stupid comment) but that our opinions on the game are just as valid as anyone elses, that this doesn't need to be "Don't say anything bad about Smash Brothers Brawl thread".
But yet you reach for the "fanboi" comment in that reply. Phrases like bringing things down to "land levels" and "bringing people to reality" have also been tossed around, adding in the element of wishing less to just get your opinion heard and more to act for the "greater good" for the sake of others. It just comes off as martyrdom to me, as people place them self as a victim while fending off others as "everything is positive" fanboys.
Can you please tell me where I used any of those terms?
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 16, 2007, 08:24:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
So really, this isn't the development team's fault. They submit a game for testing and await feedback. The publisher and to a lesser degree, the debugging team, are far more responsible for the release of an unbalanced or faulty game. The publisher wants to rush a game out to make money while the debugging team might actually miss something.
I'd object to the dev team not taking the comments of the beta testers to heart or not having enough time (which I hope isn't the case).
Honestly, Pap has raised some interesting points, one of which is that, since Brawl appears slower than Melee, I will very likely love Brawl while many people here will complain that it's too slow, since people seem to love Melee so much and typically for its speed.
Post by: Kairon on August 16, 2007, 08:29:47 AM
... and stickers.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 08:34:28 AM
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I have no problem with slow. Just give me fun.
... and stickers.
I can find NOTHING to disagree with in that statement.
Post by: Strell on August 16, 2007, 09:09:51 AM
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Edit: The kid's hair is actually blond. This thread made him bleed out his f*cking ears.
Post by: Mashiro on August 16, 2007, 11:31:02 AM
Bill = Win though =) that is all.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 11:36:34 AM
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::sigh:: work = missing all the fun forum arguments.
Bill = Win though =) that is all.
Well of course, he agrees with you.
Post by: Mashiro on August 16, 2007, 12:29:05 PM
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Lack of evidence DOES NOT QUALIFY AS EVIDENCE...That is the whole issue here...There is no point in constantly whining about something when there's no evidence of it not being there...It's like the whining I saw about stickers replacing trophies when there was absolutely no evidence of that being the case...
It's the truth, plain and simple. So Bill = Win because of truth not because he agrees with me.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 12:33:21 PM
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I guess you could call it agreeing with me but it's more to the point that Bill showed logic with:Quote
Lack of evidence DOES NOT QUALIFY AS EVIDENCE...That is the whole issue here...There is no point in constantly whining about something when there's no evidence of it not being there...It's like the whining I saw about stickers replacing trophies when there was absolutely no evidence of that being the case...
It's the truth, plain and simple. So Bill = Win because of truth not because he agrees with me.
Then on the flip side you shouldn't be praising something when you know little about it, or guessing that certain things will be in the game when there is no evidence.
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Post by: UERD on August 16, 2007, 12:37:14 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 12:38:39 PM
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Such as?
Such as the single player being great, when we know jack about it.
Post by: Mashiro on August 16, 2007, 12:52:47 PM
Single player in Melee = unique concept of trying to revisit some worlds of the video game past with Melee's fighters. Wasn't the most polished single player in the world and had room for improvement.
Single Player Brawl = we know there will be cut scenes, unique stages, and that Sakurai has pushed and wanted to make the single player aspect of Smash a much better experience than before.
That's where my assumptions come from but if you would look back on the forums you'll notice I said that it being a good single player experience would be icing on the cake. I didn't say it would be astonishing I just said it made me hyped for the game.
And then people started saying how the multiplayer would suffer . . .
Sooooo yeah =) I didn't quite stand up and say "instant greatness single player mode" or anything. I just said logically it should be a good experience based on Melee's single player game and comparing it to what they are doing with Brawl (or say they are doing).
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 12:54:33 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 16, 2007, 12:56:12 PM
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It is kind of funny I beat the single player experience the other day by having DK slap the ground in Melee.
Lol. In the original?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 12:56:51 PM
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It is kind of funny I beat the single player experience the other day by having DK slap the ground in Melee.
Lol. In the original?
No it was Melee, granted it was on easy but it still was hilarious.
Post by: Mashiro on August 16, 2007, 01:03:11 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 01:11:25 PM
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Ah lol. (Single player adventure or arcade style?)
I believe it was adventure, but I'm not sure. It was the one where you start out going through a retro 2D Mario stage, concluding with a fight at the end.
Post by: Mashiro on August 16, 2007, 01:13:04 PM
I thought you meant you just did the move and won (as in not moved at all) so I was confused how it would be adventure mode but I take it you ran through the stage and just won with the move haha.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 01:14:29 PM
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Yeah adventure mode that is.
I thought you meant you just did the move and won (as in not moved at all) so I was confused how it would be adventure mode but I take it you ran through the stage and just won with the move haha.
It was quite fun when I was sending all the kirby clones flying.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 16, 2007, 02:01:32 PM
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Then on the flip side you shouldn't be praising something when you know little about it, or guessing that certain things will be in the game when there is no evidence.
GoldenPhoenix = Win
Yes, I see what you did there.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 16, 2007, 02:01:47 PM
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Fair enough, but don't get mad at me when I drop something counter-consensus into this thread.
...Like how I think the whip update is bland and uninteresting.
Post by: Ceric on August 16, 2007, 02:04:46 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 02:05:15 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 16, 2007, 02:09:45 PM
My take on the daily updates is that it's good that we are seeing a lot more of the game than we'd see otherwise...The bad thing is that people get spoiled and expect a mind-blowing update everyday...Well, that's just not going to happen...I don't like seeing "Lame update" when we should be happy we are even GETTING updates...
And if you don't like the update, fine, no one cares...It's your right to not like something...It's when you start trying to make assumptions on the game as a whole based on a single thing, that's where you are getting carried away...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 02:13:02 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
My gut...
My take on the daily updates is that it's good that we are seeing a lot more of the game than we'd see otherwise...The bad thing is that people get spoiled and expect a mind-blowing update everyday...Well, that's just not going to happen...I don't like seeing "Lame update" when we should be happy we are even GETTING updates...
And if you don't like the update, fine, no one cares...It's your right to not like something...It's when you start trying to make assumptions on the game as a whole based on a single thing, that's where you are getting carried away...
Because people who are hyped for the game aren't making assumptions based on single things either right?
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 16, 2007, 02:15:00 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 02:18:41 PM
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I haven't seen anyone saying that Brawl will/might be balanced/unbalanced/will suck/will not suck based on a single update, no...
How about another, crucifying someone based on a single comment and accusing them of trying to be negative just because even though they weren't that way previously in the thread? So I take it that judgement based off a single thing is ok, but nono can't have concerns about something from one of these updates.
Post by: Mashiro on August 16, 2007, 02:21:12 PM
Also, reviewing back on the old boards . . . no . . . no mashiro don't start a new megathrad.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 16, 2007, 02:25:31 PM
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I haven't seen anyone saying that Brawl will/might be balanced/unbalanced/will suck/will not suck based on a single update, no...
How about another, crucifying someone based on a single comment and accusing them of trying to be negative just because even though they weren't that way previously in the thread? So I take it that judgement based off a single thing is ok, but nono can't have concerns about something from one of these updates.
Geez, stop being so negative GoldenPhoenix, it's a Nintendo game, relax, geez! Geez! GEEZ
GEEZGEEZGEEZGEEZEHHSHGGGRGHSGHGERGHASGHGAGSD
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 16, 2007, 02:28:18 PM
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Well, what did they say?
Sad truth is, you'd need to speak Japanese just to get a comprehensible email to Sakurai telling him how much most of these updates blow (not that I expect him to care. He did go on record saying that this was the last SSB game he was going to work on so he might just go absolutely batsh*t crazy with it).
And yes, the whip update is bland and uninteresting, and all the abuse of Nintendo's customer support in the world won't change that fact.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 16, 2007, 02:29:30 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 16, 2007, 02:32:09 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 02:39:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I haven't seen anyone saying that Brawl will/might be balanced/unbalanced/will suck/will not suck based on a single update, no...
How about another, crucifying someone based on a single comment and accusing them of trying to be negative just because even though they weren't that way previously in the thread? So I take it that judgement based off a single thing is ok, but nono can't have concerns about something from one of these updates.
Geez, stop being so negative GoldenPhoenix, it's a Nintendo game, relax, geez! Geez! GEEZ
GEEZGEEZGEEZGEEZEHHSHGGGRGHSGHGERGHASGHGAGSD
I'm not the one that jumped down someone's throat for expressing an opinion (Funny I don't see where I even mentioned anything about Brawl in that post you quoted).
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 16, 2007, 02:43:28 PM
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I haven't seen anyone saying that Brawl will/might be balanced/unbalanced/will suck/will not suck based on a single update, no...
How about another, crucifying someone based on a single comment and accusing them of trying to be negative just because even though they weren't that way previously in the thread? So I take it that judgement based off a single thing is ok, but nono can't have concerns about something from one of these updates.
Geez, stop being so negative GoldenPhoenix, it's a Nintendo game, relax, geez! Geez! GEEZ
GEEZGEEZGEEZGEEZEHHSHGGGRGHSGHGERGHASGHGAGSD
I'm not the one that jumped down someone's throat for expressing an opinion (Funny I don't see where I even mentioned anything about Brawl in that post you quoted).
Yeah, Ferny, see how Brawl is mentioned in the quote I just quoted? Eat THAT!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 02:46:07 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I haven't seen anyone saying that Brawl will/might be balanced/unbalanced/will suck/will not suck based on a single update, no...
How about another, crucifying someone based on a single comment and accusing them of trying to be negative just because even though they weren't that way previously in the thread? So I take it that judgement based off a single thing is ok, but nono can't have concerns about something from one of these updates.
Geez, stop being so negative GoldenPhoenix, it's a Nintendo game, relax, geez! Geez! GEEZ
GEEZGEEZGEEZGEEZEHHSHGGGRGHSGHGERGHASGHGAGSD
I'm not the one that jumped down someone's throat for expressing an opinion (Funny I don't see where I even mentioned anything about Brawl in that post you quoted).
Yeah, Ferny, see how Brawl is mentioned in the quote I just quoted? Eat THAT!
Ok I admit defeat there!
Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 16, 2007, 02:46:26 PM
[BIG DRAMA PARAGRAPH]
And what abou-
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Post by: Mashiro on August 16, 2007, 02:48:43 PM
RISE FORTH MY MEGATHREAD!!!
RISE FORTH AND CRUSH THE PEASANTS AND BRING DESTRUCTION TO THE LANDS!!!!!
Post by: Shecky on August 16, 2007, 03:07:36 PM
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It could also be that ZSS has two Up+B moves depending on if you have her whip or pistol engaged (a video showed her quickly switching between the two so it may be one of her specials to switch and that in turn affects her other special moves.
I think that idea has some merit..
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 16, 2007, 08:05:09 PM
I LOVE PEACH!!!
Post by: Sarail on August 16, 2007, 08:05:12 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 16, 2007, 08:07:30 PM
Also, either she's a bit smaller or Bowser is indeed bigger.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 16, 2007, 08:17:06 PM
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The Peach model looks the best it has ever looked.
Also, either she's a bit smaller or Bowser is indeed bigger.
I think it was the way the screen was captured. It might be making Bowser look bigger than he really is (like that shot of Fox and the Pokeball).
And I agree, the model looks beautiful, perhaps the best in the game. Although your girlfriend was right about one thing; Brawl suffers from the "brown is real!" syndrome. Even the bright colors seem darker thanks to the more detailed look of Brawl.
Post by: anubis6789 on August 16, 2007, 08:20:59 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 16, 2007, 08:37:48 PM
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I am happy that Peach is officially in and all, even though we have known this since the Subspace Emissary update, but to me this is the most boring and uninformative update this week, and I actually thought that everything this week up to this update was interesting.
OH MY GOD A NEGATIVE OPINION!!
Prepare to get flamed... *evil stare
Post by: anubis6789 on August 16, 2007, 08:46:43 PM
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I am happy that Peach is officially in and all, even though we have known this since the Subspace Emissary update, but to me this is the most boring and uninformative update this week, and I actually thought that everything this week up to this update was interesting.
OH MY GOD A NEGATIVE OPINION!!
Prepare to get flamed... *evil stare
Perhaps...
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 16, 2007, 08:56:54 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on August 16, 2007, 09:06:34 PM
PS Peach is hawt.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 09:12:50 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on August 16, 2007, 09:17:21 PM
Melee vs. Brawl:
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 16, 2007, 09:28:53 PM
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Kind of a so-so update, I mean who didn't think she was going to be in the game? Even before the single player mode was shown I don't think anyone really doubted it.
OMG ANOTHER NEGATIVE POST!!!!!!!
This thread is going to hell past...
But seriously before I get accused of trolling I agree the update was so so, but it was nice to see Peach's character model as well as some nice, screen shots.
This week started with a bang, was followed with a neat update then went downhill fast. At least the sticker update started a massive argument!
Post by: Michael8983 on August 17, 2007, 12:21:43 AM
Post by: Mashiro on August 17, 2007, 12:28:41 AM
I hope the detailed clothing is something that carries over into other mario games (doubt it).
Post by: Shecky on August 17, 2007, 12:39:39 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 17, 2007, 02:08:49 AM
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Notice two of the most hilariously inappropriate screenshots ever. One where it appears that Peach is offering up Toad as tasty sacrifice to Bowser and I don't even know what the one with her and Mario looks like ... but it definitely doesn't look . . . right.
Yeah Peach is a royal tease...offering Mario a painful taste of her "Royal Ass" with that playful gleam and wink in her eye.
Maybe the Princess allows herself to kidnapped whenever she wants a "stronger" toy.
Post by: Ceric on August 17, 2007, 02:55:25 AM
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lol, even Peach's hair looks better than ZSS's
Everyone's hair looks better than ZSS's. Yes even you unkempt bed hair man
I like the added detail of Peach's model and everything but, I still don't dig the whole darker look of Brawl.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 17, 2007, 05:48:11 AM
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lol, even Peach's hair looks better than ZSS's
Everyone's hair looks better than ZSS's. Yes even you unkempt bed hair man
I like the added detail of Peach's model and everything but, I still don't dig the whole darker look of Brawl.
Funny, I didn't even notice that.
Post by: Louieturkey on August 17, 2007, 06:00:11 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 17, 2007, 06:08:41 AM
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Peach is hawt!!! Though seeing this makes me thing there will be another wasted day where he shows her final smash. Here's hoping he includes both her's and someone else's final smashes on the same day.
Do you honestly think that will happen?
Post by: ShyGuy on August 17, 2007, 06:12:02 AM
Post by: Louieturkey on August 17, 2007, 06:42:14 AM
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Peach is hawt!!! Though seeing this makes me thing there will be another wasted day where he shows her final smash. Here's hoping he includes both her's and someone else's final smashes on the same day.
Do you honestly think that will happen?
Nope, but I guess I can dream or something right?
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 17, 2007, 10:23:38 AM
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She really just throws Toad out there to be sacrificed doesn't she? What an uppity, selfish little...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 17, 2007, 11:02:44 AM
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lol, even Peach's hair looks better than ZSS's
Everyone's hair looks better than ZSS's. Yes even you unkempt bed hair man
I like the added detail of Peach's model and everything but, I still don't dig the whole darker look of Brawl.
It was matured to attract the mature games who are still waiting for the $300 PS3 price drop.
Didn't you see Xbox? You need dark shadows to create the machuure atmosphere, reduce the KIDDEE, and get higher review scores in graphics. Nintendo knows they need to sell-out, so they're doing it the right way.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 17, 2007, 11:27:18 AM
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lol, even Peach's hair looks better than ZSS's
Everyone's hair looks better than ZSS's. Yes even you unkempt bed hair man
I like the added detail of Peach's model and everything but, I still don't dig the whole darker look of Brawl.
It was matured to attract the mature games who are still waiting for the $300 PS3 price drop.
Didn't you see Xbox? You need dark shadows to create the machuure atmosphere, reduce the KIDDEE, and get higher review scores in graphics. Nintendo knows they need to sell-out, so they're doing it the right way.
You forget they also require lots of bloom lighting AND a post apocalyptic world to also reduce the kidd ie.
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You forget they also require lots of bloom lighting AND a post apocalyptic world to also reduce the kidd ie.
And it needs to be more brown. Didn't you know? Brown is realistic.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 17, 2007, 11:39:55 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 17, 2007, 11:42:03 AM
Post by: Kairon on August 17, 2007, 11:46:52 AM
HELLOOOO?!?!?!
Girlfriend, you ever hear of women's lib?!?!?
Post by: Smoke39 on August 17, 2007, 03:02:21 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 17, 2007, 07:08:00 PM
Also Peach's toad shield just underlines that she is a tyrannical overlord ruling the Mushroom Kingdom with an iron fist. The human invader who subdued the inferior mushroom race and uses them to depose the rightful KING! Bowser is an actual king, Peach is just a princess which means she should not be a ruler!
The ongoing segregations against coloured mushrooms (gumbas) shall not continue, pushing the gumbas into ghettos and having Comerade Mario, the state executioner, exterminate them is UNACCEPTABLE! The UN has already demanded an embargo against Mushroom Kingdom until the rightful rule of King Bowser is reestablished!
Post by: Adrock on August 17, 2007, 07:39:32 PM
And Peach looks amazing. Imagine how good she'll look in high definition. Yeah, I said it.
Post by: Smoke39 on August 17, 2007, 11:50:26 PM
Post by: Sarail on August 18, 2007, 01:44:32 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 18, 2007, 11:07:26 AM
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Smash Bros Melee had the same kind of darker texturing, just not on Peach specifically.
Also Peach's toad shield just underlines that she is a tyrannical overlord ruling the Mushroom Kingdom with an iron fist. The human invader who subdued the inferior mushroom race and uses them to depose the rightful KING! Bowser is an actual king, Peach is just a princess which means she should not be a ruler!
The ongoing segregations against coloured mushrooms (gumbas) shall not continue, pushing the gumbas into ghettos and having Comerade Mario, the state executioner, exterminate them is UNACCEPTABLE! The UN has already demanded an embargo against Mushroom Kingdom until the rightful rule of King Bowser is reestablished!
Awesome.
Bowser needs to get the same PR agent that cleaned up the Wicked Witch of the West's image and get a book deal that tells the TRUE story of the struggles of the mushroom kingdom.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 18, 2007, 12:01:21 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Smash Bros Melee had the same kind of darker texturing, just not on Peach specifically.
Also Peach's toad shield just underlines that she is a tyrannical overlord ruling the Mushroom Kingdom with an iron fist. The human invader who subdued the inferior mushroom race and uses them to depose the rightful KING! Bowser is an actual king, Peach is just a princess which means she should not be a ruler!
The ongoing segregations against coloured mushrooms (gumbas) shall not continue, pushing the gumbas into ghettos and having Comerade Mario, the state executioner, exterminate them is UNACCEPTABLE! The UN has already demanded an embargo against Mushroom Kingdom until the rightful rule of King Bowser is reestablished!
Awesome.
Bowser needs to get the same PR agent that cleaned up the Wicked Witch of the West's image and get a book deal that tells the TRUE story of the struggles of the mushroom kingdom.
I'LL WRITE BOSWER'S TRUE STORY!
The story goes like this: Despise his reign as evil king of the koopas he was a lot like the other citizens of the Mushroom Kingdom. He had a father and a mother. The twist is that his parents were normal, run of the mill koopas. They were leading a very happy life...or so it seems. Bowser's mother was not happy with her middle class stability. She wanted the enthusiasm that ruled her younger days back. One day, she meets a charismatic happy fruit salesman that made promises of never ending joy if you ate his fruit. She became hooked, obsessed even, on the fruit and created a forbidden love between her and the salesman. One day, she laid an egg, an egg she claim was born out of the love between her and her husband but everyone in the village knew the story behind it.
One day, the egg began to hatch. A lot of koopas watched in awe as another life was brought into existence. But as the egg cracked and parts of the young one's appear smiles turned into shocked and disgusted looks. When the egg finally cracked the koopas began to feel sick. The baby was not like the other koopa children. He had hellish red eyes with long hair to match. His shell was filled with spikes and his hands were adorned with sharp claws. As he began his first cry to the world his shark like teeth were shown for the first time. The koopas began to talk as a monster was born that day. They didn't understand how such a hideous child was born to a normal couple. But his mother knew why. It was the happy fruit. She ate too much of them while the egg was being made. As if the first impression wasn't enough as he cried he let fire out of his mouth, burning down the humble little house he was hatched in.
It finally dawned on his father that this child was not his own. Feeling the cold pain of betrayal deep in his heart he left his "loving wife", never to appear in their life ever again. The villagers gave him a most cruel yet appropriate name; Bowser.
As expected his childhood was not a happy life. He grew envying the other koopas who had a complete happy family. They downright shunned him due to his deformed appearance. They were extremely cruel towards him, calling him names like "mutant freak", "monster" and even "firestarter" as they constantly remind him of how he burned down his house upon birth. But despise this he grew tolerant of said comments and tried to have a normal life.
As a teen koopa he met a wondrous beauty by the name of Peach, Princess of the Mushroom Kingdom. At first she was disgusted by the hellish appearance of the koopa (which became worse as he grew into adulthood). But as she spends time with him she learns that deep within the monster appearance lies a wonderful man. But her family downright forbid it. She was a Princess, she has a reputation and legacy to uphold. She had no power over the influence of her family so she had to leave Bowser behind. This drove Bowser insane with anger. For the first time in his life he felt cursed by his appearance. But during this moment of madness he realized that he had a great power with him, a strength that could turn him into the ultimate ruler of the Mushroom Kingdom. With his powerful presence he relied an army filled with misfits and outcasts with promises that a fairer life was waiting for them.
And this is where Super Mario Bros. begins. He kidnaps Princess Peach hoping that she would be his queen. But she grew to fear Bowser as he finally turned into what people called him growing up; a monster. He then battles Mario, a human from another dimension who is sent to rescue Peach while he battles with his own intentions.
Will Mario defeat Bowser? Will true love surface once more? Will Bowser find his meaning in life?
I can see this selling a million copies, and even turning it into a smash Broadway!
It's brilliant, I tell you, BRILLIANT!!!!!
Post by: Smoke39 on August 18, 2007, 05:13:24 PM
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Maybe Toad serves as other functions now, too. Maybe he's a reflector AND counter attack? Could be...
He already does that. He vomits a cloud of like mushroom spores or something when you successfully block an attack with him. Deadly mushroom spores.
Post by: Ceric on August 19, 2007, 05:14:23 AM
Post by: Mashiro on August 19, 2007, 08:12:08 PM
Link special update.
Link will be a little different this time around . . . kinda cool (though the screens kinda make him look not so cool lol).
Love this (in regards to hooking onto ledges):
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It was difficult to aim in the previous game, but this time it automatically flies to the closest ledge, so it should be pretty simple to use.
I wonder if the whole charging of the up + B move is to prevent it from being spammed as a heavy attack?
Post by: Adrock on August 19, 2007, 08:26:08 PM
And yes, the charging of the spin attack was most likely meant to balance out the move. It really was one of the cheapest moves in the game, especially when the edge of the spin hits. Now, it's probably super weak unless charged. Fair trade.
Post by: Mashiro on August 19, 2007, 08:29:32 PM
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Now, it's probably super weak unless charged. Fair trade.
It's only a fair trade if they increase his other moves power and balance him out differently, otherwise it's just a nerf
Post by: anubis6789 on August 19, 2007, 08:30:39 PM
I hope that the developers have really worked on the tether recover auto aim because anytime the computer takes over for the player there is always the chance of an exploitable circumstance; like if some one were to jump out and get hit on purpose by your tether, possibly letting you fall and them recover back onto the stage.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 19, 2007, 08:33:46 PM
If all characters are going to have new additions and details like that then maybe the Brawl development team has paid attention to Melee and decided to fix its mistakes.
Post by: Mashiro on August 19, 2007, 08:53:56 PM
Post by: Shecky on August 20, 2007, 01:52:54 AM
I think the logic will be pretty simple... grabbing from the ground? Normal, unassisted move. Grabbing in air? Head for a ledge, computer assisted.
"Of course, it doesn't mean a thing if it can't reach its target..."
These writers are pretty good...
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 20, 2007, 02:10:32 AM
As for the Spin attack, I wonder if it is still usable in the air if it is a chargable move...it is his up special, and charging could be difficult to accomplish without accidentally jumping.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 20, 2007, 04:25:03 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 20, 2007, 05:05:55 AM
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So they finally add in charging the spin attack based on the one game in the series in which you couldn't charge it.
You can in the GC version... =)
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 20, 2007, 05:33:27 AM
Also, this dispels any speculation about down+B transforming into Wolf Link (which I admit that I wondered about myself).
Good update, though. Glad to see they don't feel the need to divide up the special moves of a character by doing only two per day.
Post by: Louieturkey on August 20, 2007, 06:17:03 AM
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With the Gale Boomerang, do you think you can pull a person back onto the stage? Like if you're playing Team battle, if your partner goes too far off the stage and their double jump and up+B don't get them back, can you time the gale boomerang to hit them and pull them closer to the stage?
Well if they have a friendly-fire mode in Brawl then you could use the boomerang to tug your opponent back towards you, in theory.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 20, 2007, 07:35:41 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 20, 2007, 09:04:09 AM
Post by: anubis6789 on August 20, 2007, 09:46:31 AM
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As for the Spin attack, I wonder if it is still usable in the air if it is a chargable move...it is his up special, and charging could be difficult to accomplish without accidentally jumping.
Well in the second trailer it appears that Link has retained the in-air up B Spin Attack "uppercut", so no worries there if you thought that they made the Claw Shot his only recovery move.
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Auto-aim for the ledges is cool. Also if a person wants to jump out and get hit to stop a recovery more power to them.
The strategy of stopping someone from returning is very viable, yes, but what I was talking about is a seemingly arbitrary choice made by the computer that determines where the tether goes, and that choice may screw the player, who does not have as much control over the situation, regardless of other player intervention. Granted, this all assumes that a tether can easily be stopped, that the tether does not have a different quality when it does hit someone (like a place change scenario, where the person hit by a tether will be pulled toward the tether holder's position while, at the same time, the tether holder is pulled toward the person who was hit by the tether's position), or that the developers have not thoroughly worked this out to make sure there are as few pitfalls as possible (which I am sure in reality is the complete opposite, Sora seems on the ball and with Sakurai leading them I have no doubt that this game will be thoroughly tested).
All in all though, you, Ceric, are exactly right, if there is a problem players will have to learn to work around it, I just was not thinking right when I posted that comment, so thanks for making me realize the error of my thought process.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 20, 2007, 10:05:52 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 20, 2007, 10:27:42 AM
Brawl fails the widescreen revolution.
-2.5 in graphiks
Post by: anubis6789 on August 20, 2007, 12:00:09 PM
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In Melee, the hookshot simply went through anyone you hit with it in the air, and I doubt the clawshot's auto-aim is going to track soft targets at all.
I have not played Melee in quite along time, almost a year, so I do not remember how links hookshot reacted in the air. I remembered it retracting as soon as it hit someone, but if it goes through them then my sleep-deprived worries are completely unfounded, and I am proven even more wrong.
By the way, I never thought that the clawshot homed in on soft targets (I never thought I would be using that term in describing the play mechanics of SSB
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All these Brawl screens have a 4:3 aspect ratio.
Brawl fails the widescreen revolution.
-2.5 in graphiks
A 16:9 SSB would have too much screen to keep track of everything going on in my opinion.
Personally I think that widescreen is a big farce. It was only created by the ailing movie industry back when TVs first became big to make sure that movies would either not be able to be shown on a TV or that they would have to be messed with in order to be shown at all (not to mention laws in the U.S. that kept broadcaster from showing letterbox versions because broadcasters had to use the whole screen), thus a way of forcing people into the Cinemas. I still prefer to watch movies the way they were filmed, be that 16:9, 4:3, or any other of the varying aspect ratios, but I believe, and some studies show (although I cannot find a source on the net even though I have read it before in many places), that a more square aspect ratio is more conducive to human sight then a more rectangular one.
Besides that though, the needs of the game (or movie for that matter), both functional and artistic, should be taken into account before an aspect ratio is decided upon. Widescreen should not just be thrown in because it is the current "in" thing with the "HD Revolution", it should only be used if the game can use and/or need it.
Well those are most of my views on widescreen, just do not get me started on the rest of the "HD Revolution".
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 20, 2007, 01:02:54 PM
I have a habit of looking at a widescreen TVs and thinking to myself, "why can't it be taller and more square-ish? there's still a good 6-9 feet of space between the TV and the ceiling that could be filled up, which is especially apparent if I'm chillin' on a couch 10 feet away."
"a more square aspect ratio is more conducive to human sight then a more rectangular one"
^ This should make a lot of sense since we hu-mans look by focusing on a point; it's difficult to discern the visual information outside that point without moving the focal point; the farther away from the point, the less meaningful it is. Plus, i think the rectangular view only makes definitive sense when it's large enough to fill our eyesight like in a movie theater, effectively replacing our natural vision. Otherwise it's just a TV I feel needs more screen space up top and on the bottom.
Post by: anubis6789 on August 20, 2007, 01:37:49 PM
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Why not? You were doing so well =D
Well how about this; We have had "High Definition" screens in our homes for years, it is called a VGA monitor.
By the way, all of you with HDTVs waiting for that magical 2009 date believing that you will magically be inundated with HD content, and all SD content is going to be gone, are going to be disappointed, broadcasters only have to switch over to digital terrestrial broadcast as opposed to analog terrestrial broadcasts and the digital standard still includes the SD (480i) and ED (480p) resolutions, so they do not necessarily have to ever broadcast HD television.
Another funny fact: a lot of highly trained home theater calibrators say that they cannot tell the deferences between 720p and 1080i, so what do you think that means about the big new 1080p resolution that you have to pay out the wazzo for? A have even heard that not many can even tell the difference between a signal being carried over HDMI and Component (YPbPr) or VGA on a properly calibrated set. The only reason HDMI is being forced down our throat is because of HDCP.
Well that is enough for now.
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I have a habit of looking at a widescreen TVs and thinking to myself, "why can't it be taller and more square-ish? there's still a good 6-9 feet of space between the TV and the ceiling that could be filled up, which is especially apparent if I'm chillin' on a couch 10 feet away."
"a more square aspect ratio is more conducive to human sight then a more rectangular one"
^ This should make a lot of sense since we hu-mans look by focusing on a point; it's difficult to discern the visual information outside that point without moving the focal point; the farther away from the point, the less meaningful it is. Plus, i think the rectangular view only makes definitive sense when it's large enough to fill our eyesight like in a movie theater, effectively replacing our natural vision. Otherwise it's just a TV I feel needs more screen space up top and on the bottom.
Are you a big Shmup fan?
In my opinion a 27' - 32' 4:3 SXGA monitor that can orient both horizontally and vertically would be all ten flavors of awesome.
Post by: Mashiro on August 20, 2007, 08:04:27 PM
Reference to R.O.B. and Subspace FTW!
Edit: I just noticed two R.O.B. units are holding one of the bombs. Evil R.O.B.s? Best Game Ever? You decide
Post by: Adrock on August 20, 2007, 08:18:07 PM
Nice reference to ROB though.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 20, 2007, 08:21:18 PM
I just hope that he isn't a playable character, but considering that he's been in all the Mario games as a playable character he most likely is -_-** .
EDIT: He could be a mini boss, though. The way the video ends makes it look that at end of the cutscene you fight Petey in order to rescue the Princesses.
Post by: Mashiro on August 20, 2007, 08:30:41 PM
It would indeed seem like Nintendo's villains will be, well, villains in this game.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 20, 2007, 08:48:53 PM
Post by: Mikintosh on August 20, 2007, 08:58:16 PM
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I wonder if Wario will be a good guy or a bad guy.
I'd assume that since he's playable in the story mode, that would mean he's a good guy, but what about Bowser? would be the next thing.
Post by: Adrock on August 20, 2007, 08:59:45 PM
I admit that there's much I don't know and I'll reserve final judgment until after I've completed it, but from what's been shown thus far, something about it just seems off to me. Some of the descriptions are just so overdone, it's actually kind of lame, almost laughable (but not in a good way). For a Smash Bros. storyline, I imagined something a little more whimsical, maybe something tongue-in-cheek that constantly jabbed fun at itself. Or perhaps, something with kings and kingdoms and magic and all sorts of adventure/RPG cliches, done in the most melodramatic fashion that it's so obviously satire. Whereas Smash Bros. is kind of an anti-fighting game, the adventure mode would be something of an anti-Adventure/RPG.
And I think it's kind of ironic that Peach and Zelda both get captured, but they were 2 of the best characters from Melee.
Post by: Mashiro on August 20, 2007, 09:02:35 PM
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I wonder if Wario will be a good guy or a bad guy.
I'd assume that since he's playable in the story mode, that would mean he's a good guy, but what about Bowser? would be the next thing.
Maybe there are two separate story paths, one for the good guys and one for the bad?
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And I think it's kind of ironic that Peach and Zelda both get captured, but they were 2 of the best characters from Melee.
Wait peach was a good character?
Post by: SixthAngel on August 20, 2007, 09:05:06 PM
Peach and Zelda can't go to the bathroom without being captured.
Post by: Adrock on August 20, 2007, 09:11:11 PM
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Wait peach was a good character?
Peach was a powerhouse in Melee.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on August 20, 2007, 10:40:57 PM
The chances of him being playable are pretty high now, me-thinks...
As for the story aspect, I have a feeling that the Minister is using the Ninty bad guys rather than working together with them...
Post by: Mikintosh on August 20, 2007, 10:43:23 PM
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It seems to me like that they're taking the storyline a little too seriously. It's kind of like Snakes on a Plane, where it's a ridiculous concept, but it's trying to be passed off as not ridiculous and at the end, you're left feeling like it should have been more ridiculous than it was.
I admit that there's much I don't know and I'll reserve final judgment until after I've completed it, but from what's been shown thus far, something about it just seems off to me. Some of the descriptions are just so overdone, it's actually kind of lame, almost laughable (but not in a good way). For a Smash Bros. storyline, I imagined something a little more whimsical, maybe something tongue-in-cheek that constantly jabbed fun at itself. Or perhaps, something with kings and kingdoms and magic and all sorts of adventure/RPG cliches, done in the most melodramatic fashion that it's so obviously satire. Whereas Smash Bros. is kind of an anti-fighting game, the adventure mode would be something of an anti-Adventure/RPG.
I never thought of Smash Bros. as the anti-fighting game, just more of a party-like affair, as opposed to the usual 1 on 1 duels in Street Fighter, etc.
And I'm getting a kick out of the story mode, because it allows it to access the storytelling aspects of the various series it represents, something it could never try in the first two games (besides the mysterious prescence of Master Hand. I think this game is never going to get more serious than a Mario game (look at the goofy character designs, and Petey Piranha as a boss character is fairly amusing). They're doing a quirky little sci-fi story that allows them to plug any of the fighters in as the hero while presenting a credible threat to all of them, and I'm actually glad that they're not doing a goofy Paper Mario-esque thing with this, because this game's particularly epic, and they should strive for that same feeling in the story mode. But if you think it's "lame", then you're under the impression that they're being pretentious about the Subspace Emissary, when I think they're just trying to get people excited about it, since they're obviously putting in a lot of work.
As much as I like satire, I don't think Brawl's the right opportunity for it (except maybe in small amounts, which I'm sure Sakurai can provide).
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Post by: anubis6789 on August 20, 2007, 11:02:31 PM
As far as the story goes, it kind of feels like a Kirby game, which is no surprise to me considering who is at the helm. Kirby games, especially Adventure and the Dreamland series, always kind of had that serious but comical sense to them. I do not think that the story mode is taking itself too serious yet.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 20, 2007, 11:04:41 PM
If they don't turn out to be playable, I just can't see them not at LEAST being Assist Trophies, which would be just fine with me personally...
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 21, 2007, 12:21:00 AM
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NBotice how Mario get's pwned, but not Kirby. A little Sakurai favoritism going on? Hmmm?
Yeah, but it was Mario who brought him back to life after being defeated.
Post by: Smoke39 on August 21, 2007, 01:05:20 AM
Post by: Shecky on August 21, 2007, 01:11:17 AM
Is it that hard to predict how they could draft Bowser into a story against this enemy?
Minions are drafted to the subspace army....
Subspace army shows up at Bowsers Castle.... Subspace bomb goes off; Bowser is enraged and makes the Ancient Minister enemy #1
Post by: Tanookisuit on August 21, 2007, 02:05:55 AM
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I've seen gorillas hopped up on heroin create better designs with their own feces. True story.
I asume this is in reference to the Subspace minions and the Subspace Minister? I actually love the design of these characters. To add a little credibility to my opnion, The Comics Journal has called me the best character designer in indie comics, so my opnion carries at least a little weight. I love the way story mode is shaping up.
Of course, everyone is allowed their own opinion. No one has to like it.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 21, 2007, 02:18:20 AM
The game just seems be to having fun with the concepts of the game and the Nintendo universe.
I think Petey definitely is a boss character, and his character model looks cool, but that doesn't mean a smaller version of him won't be a playable character...like say the size of Bowser. In fact, when I saw Petey I though cool, the villains in Brawl will still be villains in the main story mode. We will have the joys of fighting Gannondorf and Bowser and Meta Knight in the story mode.
Post by: UERD on August 21, 2007, 02:20:52 AM
Anyways, the graphics are shaping up to be quite nice. Anyone know why the bad guy comes out of the big spaceship? Doesn't that belong to a Kirby character?
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Petey definately needs to be playable for me to have any interest in this game now.
So after Petey's reveal you have lost interest in the game, unless he is playable.
Actually, I kinda understand...Petey's model is very cool, and made him look like the badass he is supposed to be. I loved his reveal.
Post by: Strell on August 21, 2007, 03:52:31 AM
Ok sure.
I mean there are lots of restaurants that prepare food I don't eat, but I don't cross'em all off my list, and the proceed to go to them, open the door, and shout out "YOU F*CKERS SERVE SEAFOOD, AND I HATES IT SO MUCH, YOU GUYS JUST LOST MY BUSINESS AND CAN GO TO HELL."
Post by: Dasmos on August 21, 2007, 04:05:50 AM
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Originally posted by: Dasmos
Petey definately needs to be playable for me to have any interest in this game now.
So after Petey's reveal you have lost interest in the game, unless he is playable.
Post by: Mikintosh on August 21, 2007, 05:50:47 AM
I shudder to think how he'd be in Smash, tho I'm sure the very competent Smash guys would be able to impove on before. Still, I'd rather he stick to being a boss, thanks.
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Post by: Adrock on August 21, 2007, 07:41:24 AM
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Mikintosh wrote:
As much as I like satire, I don't think Brawl's the right opportunity for it (except maybe in small amounts, which I'm sure Sakurai can provide).
I think it's a perfect opportunity. Smash Bros. doesn't really lend itself to a serious storyline. It's almost like they're going for something Kingdom Hearts-esque, which is, at times, unintentionally silly because I can't take Mickey Mouse shrouded in a black cloak seriously. I get the same feeling from Mario in the new clip as he strikes a pose and runs at the bomb. Then lines like, "Being turned back into a trophy, being unable to fight, is much like death. Those are the rules of this world. But... When someone...or something...breaks those rules, the world will pay a terrible price..." just sound hokey to me. Everything revealed so far about The Subspace Emissary has been so over-the-top, but without any hint that it's done on purpose.
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UERD wrote:
I think it'll be both whimsical and serious. Didn't the guy say he wanted to try character development this time round?
Maybe they're going for both, but nothing so far suggests that it is. And you can have character development without the melodrama. In fact, I'd say it's preferred.
Just to clarify, though, my current opinion of the storyline isn't going to spoil the game for me. I'm sure I'll enjoy the game either way. I'm just particular when it comes to plot. If a story doesn't engage me, it's that much harder for me to get enthralled by the experience. I'm not a fan of cutscenes in videogames, but especially if the story is lame. I'll still give it the benefit of the doubt, but every update on Adventure mode so far isn't making it easy.
Post by: Caterkiller on August 21, 2007, 08:16:32 AM
Im pretty sure thats how it was, and with that I don't see why Petey or Ridley wouldn't be playable. Both characters I absolutely love and would be so dissapointed if either aren't playable.
This whole story thing looks great to me, if its going to be serious fine, by all means. All the characters look alot more "realistic" any way, lets just see where it goes.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 21, 2007, 08:54:20 AM
Someone at Nintendo loves him so much it's unsettling. He's been playable in nearly every Mario sports game after SMS. I'd be stunned if they don't reveal him as a challenger tomorrow.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 21, 2007, 09:48:45 AM
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I'm betting he'll definitely be playable.
Someone at Nintendo loves him so much it's unsettling. He's been playable in nearly every Mario sports game after SMS. I'd be stunned if they don't reveal him as a challenger tomorrow.
Probably not tomorrow, but eventually (it took them a week to officially reveal Peach, even though she was already confirmed).
I don't mind Petey that much, I just find it weird how Nintendo keeps using him as if he was a vital, canon character when he was really a one time boss. Plus, it would add yet ANOTHER Mario character to the roster when other important Nintendo franchises should be represented. Mario is already represented through 8 characters (counting Yoshi, Wario and DK). As S_B mentioned before, it would be turning SSB into Super Mario Zelda Pokemon Bros. Brawl.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 21, 2007, 10:14:18 AM
Wrong, he's a boss in M&L: Partners in Time too... =3
Post by: LuigiHann on August 21, 2007, 11:13:08 AM
I intend to be seriously offended when the EBA/Ouendan series isn't at least a sticker... T_T
Post by: Mashiro on August 21, 2007, 11:55:08 AM
Why?
They are the only video game heros to save the world by uniting it in song. THAT'S WHY. (Even if this isn't true I don't care lol EBA FOR LIFE)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 21, 2007, 01:30:41 PM
Mashiro=Win
Since the release of Melee in 2001 MANY new games and characters have been released. Brawl needs to feature at least some of them as it would spruce up the roster and give proper credit to the franchises.
EBA/Ouendan should be first and foremost.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 21, 2007, 01:37:46 PM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 21, 2007, 08:35:04 PM
It will be craptacular!
Post by: that Baby guy on August 21, 2007, 08:44:02 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 21, 2007, 10:26:56 PM
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/diddykong.html
Also, Hey, I'm first!
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 21, 2007, 10:37:44 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on August 21, 2007, 10:41:14 PM
Go check out the new Metroid stuff now Bill
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Post by: Smoke39 on August 21, 2007, 11:34:30 PM
For his taunt he should sport his boombox and shades like in DKC2.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 21, 2007, 11:58:45 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 22, 2007, 01:44:16 AM
Smoke: I think they gave him his peanut gun from DK64, because that is one of the last games he was in...and it gives him more distinct moves. Diddy Kong is not going to be a Donkey Kong light...but an original character.
Post by: Ceric on August 22, 2007, 01:48:43 AM
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But i do want the shades and backwards had to be an alt costume
Edit: did no one else notice it looks like link is shielding in the last pic of the update??
Edit 2: nevermind it doesn't look like a shield
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 22, 2007, 02:52:52 AM
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I can't believe how many characters there are so far! If we keep going at this rate, with daily updates until December 3rd, holy cow!
Hopefully Sakurai has taken "update balance" into account, and is not just getting character updates out of the way...
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 22, 2007, 02:53:58 AM
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Eh, finally a character update I saw coming but really don't care for...Just not the biggest Diddy fan in the world, but oh well... =3
Needs more stage updates than anything...At this rate there'll be two characters per stage!
Is there no END to your negativity?!
As for Diddy, I'm neutral on him. I've fond memories of DKC on the SNES and playing as Diddy but it's been a while.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 22, 2007, 03:07:36 AM
I am enjoying the character updates, how to play, and single player updates alot. The level updates and music although really cool are not as important to me...beause I can see and hear about those when the game comes out.
I want to know about the changes to my favorite characters, and how new characters play.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 22, 2007, 03:17:04 AM
Stages and music are nice, but I'm more concerned about who I'll be playing as than where and what I'll be listening to at the time.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 22, 2007, 04:44:07 AM
It was a late update, but definitely worth it.
Now we can't expect a week of weak and crappy updates, since that seems to be the rule.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 22, 2007, 05:01:52 AM
The game won't suck or be "unbalanced" because Diddy is in the game... =3
"Stages and music are nice, but I'm more concerned about who I'll be playing as than where and what I'll be listening to at the time."
I'm just worried that Sakurai will reveal all the starters too quickly, leaving less character goodies to be revealed in the upcoming months!
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 22, 2007, 05:44:39 AM
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Well, I have a feeling Sakuri is moving towards revealing all unlocked playable characters...he said he wanted to release all every character in the game before it comes out so that speculation will not run rampant. I think a new character every other week is pretty good.
Actually, looking at the updates, he has been pretty consistent with having one new character every week. There has been only about 2 or 3 weeks where no new character was introduced since the relaunch of the site.
Okay, there are 14 weeks left until Brawl comes out. That gives a chance for 11-14 characters based on the pattern. That's a lot of characters available from the start unlocked.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 22, 2007, 06:21:15 AM
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The game won't suck or be "unbalanced" because Diddy is in the game... =3
And there you go again with your BASELESS speculation! For all you know, Diddy could COMPLETELY unbalance the game!
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I'm just worried that Sakurai will reveal all the starters too quickly, leaving less character goodies to be revealed in the upcoming months!
I think he's getting the characters from existing smash franchises out of the way first before hopefully showing some new franchise characters.
Post by: Smoke39 on August 22, 2007, 06:37:14 AM
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I am enjoying the character updates, how to play, and single player updates alot. The level updates and music although really cool are not as important to me...beause I can see and hear about those when the game comes out.
That reason doesn't make any sense. By your logic, none of the updates should be important to you!
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 22, 2007, 06:43:55 AM
The characters are where it's at. I can wait to see the music and levels, but seeing the characters actually makes me excited.
Post by: Mikintosh on August 22, 2007, 07:01:18 AM
Diddy Kong sounds interesting, since I bet he controls uniquely compared any of the other characters (otherwise Sakurai wouldn't have brought it up). And I never played DK64 so I guess some of his moves'll be a surprise to me, which is always fun.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 22, 2007, 08:03:10 AM
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I think he means he cares less about things like music and levels and doesn't mind waiting to see them, which I agree with.
The characters are where it's at. I can wait to see the music and levels, but seeing the characters actually makes me excited.
Exactly. With music and stage reveals you get a taste of what the game has to offer and a nice reveal...but it is the characters that have you dreaming up how they play. Are they fast? slower? Will they have great Smash attacks? What about the final Smash I wonder what that will be.
You just begin to "dream" about the character and fighting. But also when a character is revealed you get so much more. You get a level reveal and music reveal at the same time. For instance, now that we have Diddy Kong we know there will probably be another Kong Level more representative of the Donkey Kong franchise.
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That's why I've always advocated a Create-a-Stage mode. That adds even more replay value to the game. You can have fun making the stages and then sharing and playing on them with friends.
Best. Idea. For. A. Game. Mode. EVER.
Post by: Shecky on August 22, 2007, 01:08:52 PM
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Random Thought: They'd better change Mario's taunt...
No, that one's my favorite! How can you beat Super Giant Mario?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 22, 2007, 02:19:14 PM
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Random Thought: They'd better change Mario's taunt...
Why...?
Post by: Shecky on August 22, 2007, 05:19:51 PM
Spinning around, giving a peace sign and giving off a "Wohoo" or some equivalent would be so much more insulting and irritating to the human opponents IMO.
Post by: that Baby guy on August 22, 2007, 05:26:43 PM
Tonight, we will see the Peach's cake stage, or Mario 64 castle theme music.
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And I'm glad Yoshi's Final Smash doesn't involve a giant egg or something.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 22, 2007, 08:19:11 PM
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I thought it was great! If they made it too ornate, it'd be against the low-fi AC spirit. It's my favorite song from the game, so I'm happy.
They didn't have to make it more ornate to orchestrate it, or at least use high-quality MIDI.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 22, 2007, 08:19:33 PM
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I thought it was great! If they made it too ornate, it'd be against the low-fi AC spirit. It's my favorite song from the game, so I'm happy.
And I'm glad Yoshi's Final Smash doesn't involve a giant egg or something.
Eggactly
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Post by: Bill Aurion on August 22, 2007, 09:38:42 PM
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Then there’s this arrangement. As I sit and enjoy this song, it reminds me of one phrase in particular...
"Heroes always arrive late."
This reeks of K.K. being playable, it really does...(Plus it's a rad song to boot! *plays over and over*)
And I'm so glad Yoshi's Final Smash is a throw-back to Super Mario World...
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Pure awesome. Oh and guess who was right again? Take that GP! =D
Edit: Yoshi's final smash is pretty cool and I too am happy it isn't egg related.
The music is . . . really catchy. I know some people don't like how the music isn't orchestrated and high tech super awesome midi quality but I personally LOVE the direction some of the songs are going in. It feels like a real kick back to the days of old and after going back and playing Melee again lately I saw myself not as impressed with the more orchestrated tracks from that game. As weird as it sounds, I think the catchy, upbeat midi tunes from this game will have more longevity in the years down the road but only time will tell . . .
Post by: Shecky on August 23, 2007, 01:13:51 AM
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Then there’s this arrangement. As I sit and enjoy this song, it reminds me of one phrase in particular...
"Heroes always arrive late."
This reeks of K.K. being playable, it really does...(Plus it's a rad song to boot! *plays over and over*)
It be more likely that this plays on Saturday evenings IMO given the info on the smashville stage page. Either that or he is playable and you have to play on a late saturday evening to unlock him for use at any time.
Wow Google is quick to parse the official site:
"Tomorrow is the creator of Snake's birthday.
In the opening trailer, Snake came after the trailer supposidly ended.
Now Sakurai throws in this very random statement about how "Heroes always arrive late".
Notice how we haven't had that many screenshots of Snake recently.....
If Sakurai put Tokata's song up on his birthday today, I have a feeling that Sakurai will honor Kojima's birthday tomorrow. The phrase could also mean that it may come LATE. Booooo." - SHROOBFUL (Nintendo Forums)
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 23, 2007, 01:52:38 AM
As for the music update it is a nice tune. It is upbeat enough to be a fight song, but it is still 100% Animal Crossing...I love the singing at the end of the song, it is very cute.
I wonder if this means tommorrows update will be a relatively small reveal, since he gave us two updates today, or if he was prepping us for a big reveal tomorrow?
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Post by: Bill Aurion on August 23, 2007, 05:31:17 AM
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So since it'll be Kojima's birthday, are we thinking MGS music, Snakes special moves, or his Final Smash?
He'll be an unlockable character, so I don't think anything based on his profile will be revealed...So if there's anything MGS-related, it'll be music or the Shadow Moses stage...And considering we HAVEN'T GOTTEN A STAGE UPDATE IN SO LONG........
Post by: Louieturkey on August 23, 2007, 06:58:40 AM
We had a new stage this month.Though I would like to see another one soon.
Post by: Caterkiller on August 23, 2007, 08:11:08 AM
When Super Mario World 2 came out, the koopas and other enemies had these huge wings compared to SMW's, and I always wished that Yoshi could gain those wings some how. So you could imagine I was alittle dissapointed with the helecopter.
But now... now I have my giant winged yoshi that I always dreamed of!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love it so much!
Post by: EasyCure on August 23, 2007, 08:28:45 AM
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller
I love Yoshi's update! I remember when I was in kendagarden(sp?) I use to pretend I was a yoshi with a multi color shell in my mouth, but I could swallow it and still have all my powers.
until you poooped
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 23, 2007, 09:48:45 AM
Yeah, not saying that this is the case, but the Smashville update appeared to slip a possible method of character unlocking...But yeah, I guess we'll see... =)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 23, 2007, 09:52:56 AM
Down + B
Post by: that Baby guy on August 23, 2007, 10:16:21 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 23, 2007, 10:22:23 AM
I thought most of us expected the Stampede from the Melee intro? =) Personally I think they just wanted some variety, and considering Yoshi already has TWO egg attacks, having a third would be over-kill...
Post by: LuigiHann on August 23, 2007, 10:38:48 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on August 23, 2007, 10:43:45 AM
Post by: Arbok on August 23, 2007, 10:58:12 AM
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I don't think Birdo has ever been a villain in a Yoshi game.
Yeah, in fact they were Doubles partners in the Tennis titles. Kamek or Baby Bowser (please god, no!) are the first characters who come to mind when I think of the villains of the Yoshi titles.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 23, 2007, 12:25:38 PM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHann
I don't think Birdo has ever been a villain in a Yoshi game.
Yeah, in fact they were Doubles partners in the Tennis titles. Kamek or Baby Bowser (please god, no!) are the first characters who come to mind when I think of the villains of the Yoshi titles.
Hey, don't forget Mario Kart: Double Dash! And considering Diddy is like a smaller, faster Donkey Kong, it just makes too much sense to have Bowser Jr. be a smaller, faster Bowser...Sorry... ='D
Post by: LuigiHann on August 23, 2007, 01:34:39 PM
And I don't think Diddy Kong's moveset is likely to resemble DK's moveset in any meaningful way.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 23, 2007, 01:43:02 PM
Post by: Mario on August 23, 2007, 03:17:34 PM
Post by: Adrock on August 23, 2007, 04:02:47 PM
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I haaaaaaaaate Bowser Jr.
Yeah, me and you both.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 23, 2007, 08:05:01 PM
Post by: Arbok on August 23, 2007, 08:07:13 PM
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You can save either Zelda or Peach, depending on which cage you damage more and subsequently break.
But, but... what if I want to save both Peach and Zelda? Don't make me choose! ;_;
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 23, 2007, 08:08:01 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on August 23, 2007, 08:09:23 PM
He's huge, too, for the record.
Post by: Arbok on August 23, 2007, 08:10:56 PM
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But this Petey is awesome?! It's not fair. The one game where Petey fits in well, as an evil, semi-brainless powerhouse, he's a boss, and unplayable!
I figure at least some of these non-playable bosses are going to tick some off... (I'm now thinking Ridley might get a similar style of role)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 23, 2007, 08:13:04 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
But this Petey is awesome?! It's not fair. The one game where Petey fits in well, as an evil, semi-brainless powerhouse, he's a boss, and unplayable!
I figure at least some of these non-playable bosses are going to tick some off... (I'm now thinking Ridley might get a similar style of role)
I really think the final boss will turn out to be Tingle who has been manipulating everything since the start.
Post by: Kairon on August 23, 2007, 08:16:28 PM
Post by: Adrock on August 23, 2007, 08:17:06 PM
Yay for bosses! *Hopes for boss rush mode............ and for co-op Boss rush mode*
Post by: Sessha on August 23, 2007, 08:19:08 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on August 23, 2007, 09:32:35 PM
It is still wide open for the Ancient Minister to be playable. He is the right size and looks pretty unique. Will he be another boss like Petey or playable as well?
Post by: Adrock on August 23, 2007, 09:48:37 PM
Post by: Mario on August 23, 2007, 10:14:19 PM
I'd save Zelda because shes hotter, and i'm sick of Link breaking her heart. Plus Peach already has Mario and Bowser. Bit of a shame that Petey isn't playable, he could be quite unique, that's the first Strikers player who's been confirmed not playable, not looking good for Daisy or Waluigi.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 23, 2007, 10:40:10 PM
Best news ever...
"(I'm now thinking Ridley might get a similar style of role)"
Same, which is pretty sad, because I guess this is the direction they are going with villain inclusion...Oh well, more room for heroes! =D
And I love how there are choices you can make that change your path RIGHT off the bat...That's just bloody awesome...
Post by: Shecky on August 24, 2007, 01:06:47 AM
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... and i'm sick of Link breaking [Zelda's] heart.
Huh?
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 24, 2007, 01:55:33 AM
Though, I love the dilemma placed with this boss. Who do you set free?
The obvious choice would be Zelda, so you can play as her...but I think Peach is my girl I free.
As for Bosses being played in the game. I think a 3 vs. 1 multiplayer Boss battle with a human playing as the boss would be cool. So would a 4 vs. 1 CPU controlled boss battle.
In fact I am looking forward to the mode where you just run through bosses.
Post by: Ceric on August 24, 2007, 01:59:42 AM
Post by: Strell on August 24, 2007, 02:51:18 AM
Woot~~!
Post by: Adrock on August 24, 2007, 12:51:42 PM
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Mario wrote:
Yeah, i'm also specifically holding out for things that i'm certain will never be included in the final game. It's a free future troll that seems all legit and gives me that fuzzy feeling!
Sigh.... You try too hard.
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Spak-Spang wrote:
As for Bosses being played in the game. I think a 3 vs. 1 multiplayer Boss battle with a human playing as the boss would be cool. So would a 4 vs. 1 CPU controlled boss battle.
In fact I am looking forward to the mode where you just run through bosses.
At least I'm not the only one. *high five*
I think Boss Rush has a legitimate chance of making it. I can see people wanting to fight the bosses again without wanting to play through the whole Adventure Mode again. I mean, you figure that these are pretty special fights. It'd be a shame not to include this in a game that's filled with options.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 24, 2007, 12:54:54 PM
Post by: Ceric on August 24, 2007, 01:54:54 PM
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But what if *I* am playing as Zelda? Will I save myself, or will another character be substituted?
You SOL and hope the computer likes you?
Post by: Mashiro on August 24, 2007, 01:58:39 PM
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Originally posted by: Sir_Stabbalot
But what if *I* am playing as Zelda? Will I save myself, or will another character be substituted?
The Zelda in the cage will be an alternative costume color
Post by: Strell on August 24, 2007, 02:44:31 PM
Just like at CAG. All of this nonsense about saving one or the other.
Losers.
Imma save both of them at once, as I am pimp like that. The rest of you scrubs clearly are not.
Post by: Sarail on August 24, 2007, 03:07:42 PM
There's gotta be some reason as to why he's acting with so much anguish...
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 24, 2007, 03:36:04 PM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 24, 2007, 03:51:33 PM
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He's being controlled by the Ancient Minister...
Is he? Is he? He's taking orders from him, but why? Perhaps he's angry at humanity for constantly fighting his kind only because they are predatory. It's only his nature. He can't help it, can he? If someone were to respect his kind and culture, then we could live together in peace and harmony. When two cultures meet, there will either be violence or prosperity. It is a shame we've chosen the latter. Had we only accepted their issues and respected them, we could have grown strong together in mutual prosperity. This violence and hostility is our own making. We reap what we sow.
Perhaps if we made a gesture of good will to his people by returning the pipes we have taken from them, we could solve this issue peacefully. With the Pirrana Plants guarding critical choke points, we could easily defend our flanks and focus on offense.
Post by: Ceric on August 25, 2007, 04:13:09 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 25, 2007, 06:24:28 AM
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I'm more in favor of he is a freak with a freaky belly button. Not excepted by anyone. Looking for a good time.
It's thinking like this that keeps us from advancing as a culture.
Post by: Ceric on August 25, 2007, 06:35:45 AM
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I'm more in favor of he is a freak with a freaky belly button. Not excepted by anyone. Looking for a good time.
It's thinking like this that keeps us from advancing as a culture.
I was wondering what the response would be. To tell you the truth I have no idea what Petey's motivation could be. In fact I'm not even sure how old he is. In the games he seems to be a baby. Which would mean he be easily fooled and manipulated. I think its probably something simple like that. Not anything complex like brainwashing.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 25, 2007, 06:38:40 AM
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I was wondering what the response would be. To tell you the truth I have no idea what Petey's motivation could be. In fact I'm not even sure how old he is. In the games he seems to be a baby. Which would mean he be easily fooled and manipulated. I think its probably something simple like that. Not anything complex like brainwashing.
Yeah, I don't know what either. I just wanted to come up with a complex answer for a simple one-dimensional character.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 26, 2007, 08:06:31 PM
Ok, what game is Super Spicy Curry from? Cooking Mama?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 08:18:20 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 26, 2007, 08:19:56 PM
Diddy's face is PRICELESS!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 08:22:59 PM
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Kirby's Dream Land...
Diddy's face is PRICELESS!
Yeah it was like "OMG what a crappy update and item".
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 26, 2007, 08:24:34 PM
Post by: Mario on August 26, 2007, 08:36:58 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2007, 08:45:45 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 26, 2007, 08:47:40 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2007, 09:32:54 PM
After all, she shouldn't be on the internet at 1am in the morning. She should be doing fetch quests in Metroid Prime 3.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 09:40:52 PM
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I hope that every day of this week is an item update so that Golden Phoenix get's real mad and stomps off and we don't see her on the forums for a couple days while she cools off!
After all, she shouldn't be on the internet at 1am in the morning. She should be doing fetch quests in Metroid Prime 3.
I hope you all burn from this item.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 26, 2007, 09:57:41 PM
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Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2007, 10:25:51 PM
Post by: Ceric on August 27, 2007, 02:02:09 AM
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Post by: Robageejammin on August 27, 2007, 05:55:54 AM
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/images/item09/item09_070827b-l.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/BillAurion/Videogames/spicycurry.gif
I dunno, subtleties like that are cool
Post by: EasyCure on August 27, 2007, 06:38:02 AM
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AHA! I knew that the item made me think of Kirby, but I just wasn't sure enough... *snaps fingers* *neck whip*
fixed..?
Post by: matt oz on August 27, 2007, 07:01:29 AM
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Post by: vudu on August 27, 2007, 08:01:26 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 27, 2007, 08:01:58 AM
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Personally, what I love about these item updates is not only the thought of how big the pool of obtainable items is getting, adding a greater degree of unpredictability to the main game, but also the thought of trying these out while only locked into a single item. For example, Super Spicy Curry being the only item left on with a max frequency... leaving all players running around on fire, while also being "super combo" machines. ^_^
Arbok is easily impressed. j/k
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 27, 2007, 10:12:38 AM
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Does the Super Spicy Curry appear as an item by itself or does it appear with the other food? It would be neat if it was hidden in a pile of normal food and players happened upon it by chance.
That's how I assumed it would work until I saw the Kirby connection, which makes me doubtful. I can still imagine it being picked up because it looks like food, so I hope it causes some damage to its consumer just to make it funnier. The game could use a few more detrimental items, just so long as they don't go overboard.
Post by: Ceric on August 27, 2007, 12:37:22 PM
It's Mega-Man-eriffic.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 27, 2007, 02:00:32 PM
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 27, 2007, 08:09:49 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 27, 2007, 08:23:42 PM
classic Andross!And Meta Knight has a nice move-set too... =3 (It's sort of weird that they revealed it before his profile, but I guess he'll be this week's character...)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 27, 2007, 09:22:09 PM
Post by: WalkingTheCow on August 28, 2007, 12:06:23 AM
And yeah, retro Andross is a neat update. Personally though I actually kinda think the curry was the more interesting update as far as gameplay goes.
Post by: Mashiro on August 28, 2007, 12:12:42 AM
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Wow, the graphics for Andross look like crap! N64 > Wii CONFIRMED.
Lol don't bash on the SNES version of Andross!
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2007, 02:02:59 AM
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Definately one of my favorite updates, I can't wait to see how Andross fits in, he doesn't look like a boss. Perhaps an assist trophy?
He's in the Assist Trophy category, so I sure hope so! =)
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 28, 2007, 02:09:43 AM
I just realized why they didn't excite me. They remind me too much of a combination of Mario and Luigi's move set together...except without a fireball. Perhaps it will be a better designed move set, but still it is very similar to that combination.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 04:43:26 AM
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Definately one of my favorite updates, I can't wait to see how Andross fits in, he doesn't look like a boss. Perhaps an assist trophy?
He's in the Assist Trophy category, so I sure hope so! =)
Oh duh, regardless still an awesome update.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 28, 2007, 07:49:57 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on August 28, 2007, 08:54:00 AM
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Somebody at Hal LOVES classic Andross. This is the second time he's been featured as a trophy in the SSB games.
I think that many, perhaps most, of the Trophies from SSBM will become Assist Trophies in SSBB. We'll see.
Post by: Tanookisuit on August 28, 2007, 10:31:49 AM
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Somebody at Hal LOVES classic Andross. This is the second time he's been featured as a trophy in the SSB games.
I think that many, perhaps most, of the Trophies from SSBM will become Assist Trophies in SSBB. We'll see.
I think you're right. They've already got the models, so why not use them?
Post by: Arbok on August 28, 2007, 11:35:24 AM
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I think you're right. They've already got the models, so why not use them?
Well they aren't using them:
vs.
The assist trophies look a hell of a lot better than the old Melee trophies did, so clearly they aren't reusing the old models they created.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2007, 11:45:49 AM
And Dr. Wright...And Samurai Goroh...And Devil was supposed to be in Melee, but he was cut out...
"I think that many, perhaps most, of the Trophies from SSBM will become Assist Trophies in SSBB. We'll see."
Marin is a trophy in Melee, so she sure as hell better be an Assist Trophy!
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 28, 2007, 12:00:04 PM
Though I remember someone ripping one of the Trophies from SSB:M. I think it was the Goron. That thing had a huge poly count, so I think they're re-making most of them, perhaps recycling bits here or there.
Post by: Arbok on August 28, 2007, 12:18:08 PM
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That doesn't mean they're not re-using the models, they may just be editing them and improving the texture massively.
I'm going to say no. Here is another example:
vs.
Besides, there weren't previous trophies for Knuckle Joe or the Devil anyway.
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 28, 2007, 01:15:23 PM
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Somebody at Hal LOVES classic Andross. This is the second time he's been featured as a trophy in the SSB games.
Well it's nice to see the original Star Fox getting some love. If it wasn't for Smash Bros then the original Star Fox would probobly be forgotten. Most people only know about Star Fox because of 64, and so it makes me happy to see Sakurai showing people how Star Fox really began.
Plus I love classic Andross much more then N64 Andross. I'll take a trippy face shooting polygonal panels over some evil monkey head who want to eat me anyday.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2007, 01:34:00 PM
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I think you're right. They've already got the models, so why not use them?
Well they aren't using them:
vs.
The assist trophies look a hell of a lot better than the old Melee trophies did, so clearly they aren't reusing the old models they created.
He looks the same to be except for better texture. I mean if we stripped him to where he was colored with only 1 color I think they be almost the same.
Post by: Arbok on August 28, 2007, 03:37:22 PM
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He looks the same to be except for better texture. I mean if we stripped him to where he was colored with only 1 color I think they be almost the same.
Except the lower torso being different, and the fact that the fingers are much larger on Wright in Brawl than the Melee trophy had... in fact, they look more "cartoony" now in proportion, which would indicate to me that there was a different artist behind each model.
Post by: Arbok on August 28, 2007, 08:05:23 PM
On the other hand... bullet seed seems to be a very limited move in terms of use. Squirtle also looks very fun just with Waterfall and Withdraw... hell, especially with Withdraw.
Post by: that Baby guy on August 28, 2007, 08:10:56 PM
Squirtle had an HM of his type and a level-up move, while Venusaur had two level-up moves, and Charizard had a level-up move and an HM move. Charizard's remaining attack will be his Up B, so it could be a level-up flying type move. Squirtle's will probably be Water Gun, the far long distance attack of the trio.
Post by: Arbok on August 28, 2007, 08:15:16 PM
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...while Venusaur had two level-up moves...
Actually, Bullet Seed is a TM move for Ivysaur.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 28, 2007, 10:25:54 PM
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Now I'm just going to say I'm glad they used Kirby and not a female character. Witht he shape of that vine that may have been asking for trouble...
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2007, 10:57:52 PM
I agree...
Post by: nickmitch on August 29, 2007, 02:26:42 AM
Post by: Pale on August 29, 2007, 04:43:33 AM
CONFIRMED!
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Post by: Bill Aurion on August 29, 2007, 11:45:01 PM
Post by: Shecky on August 30, 2007, 12:28:06 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 30, 2007, 02:49:42 AM
I think this is one of those additional skills that really start helping deversify the characters and their abilities better. I am glad to see it in the game.
Post by: Robageejammin on August 30, 2007, 02:59:41 AM
Post by: Louieturkey on August 30, 2007, 05:18:09 AM
Sakurai is a funny guy.
Post by: Pale on August 30, 2007, 05:24:35 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 30, 2007, 05:50:40 AM
I personally hope Mario loses the Side Special Cape and is granted some other power, because that was pretty boring in my opinion...I want something different.
Post by: that Baby guy on August 30, 2007, 05:58:41 AM
Post by: EasyCure on August 30, 2007, 07:46:16 AM
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This makes me wonder...
will the game let you use your Down+B move if your character is sent flying from an attack? if so it'll be awkward if your Squirtle gets sent across the screen and you have a chance to use Pokemon Change (down+B) in mid air to switch to Ivysaur.. only because im assuming the pokemon will be swapt from where it is on screen at the time of the move.
im not sure if my wording makes sense so i'll say it this way: picture the Zelda - Sheik animation, if you're falling you can change to sheik, and it looks normal because Zeldas character is changing. For the pokemon trainer to swap one pokemon while in midair and send out the next in its exact place (picture falling of the stage) would just look stupid... i dunno, its just my opinion.
i know we havent been shown what the move looks like but im assuming there will be an animation of the trainer holding out a pokeball and zapping the current character out for a new one (after all, they put him in the background for a reason, he's not just gonna stand there jingling his change like the guys in street fighter II). With that assumption, it'll just look stupid for the trainer to switch a pokemon just to let it fall to its death. i know, i know, it would unbalance the game if the new pokemon would appear automatically on the level itself, im just saying it LOOKS really dumb.. oh well.
also, while on the subject of the trainer.. him being in the background might explains a bit why so far all the levels we've seen have been platforms floating in front of scenery. it would be akward to have him on the platforms in Pit's stage and have the level crumble before his feet. then again we dont know if he's stationary or not.. what about moving levels like the return of an f-zero grandprix, or Delfino plaza? maybe he will be on the platforms with you and in stages like Pits or the bridge of eldin he'll have animations that move him around so he doesnt fall off the level.. who knows?
it would be pretty funny if the trainer is either on the bridge of one of the other destructible platforms, falls thru and dies...
kinda like what Pap linked to on the previous page
edit: this whole post is probably better off int he character discussion thread.. which i havent read a single page of because i'd rather look in one thread for smash talk (bring back the megathread!).. hell it might of already been discussed in there so i wont bother reposting it.
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 30, 2007, 10:10:04 AM
The two most obvious Nintendo characters that come to my mind are Ridley and Ballon Fighter but I know there's more. If we can find out who they all are, chances are one of them will appear since I doubt Pit, Meta Knight and Charizard will be the only characters that can glide in the end.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 30, 2007, 12:09:40 PM
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Originally posted by: Luigi DudeThe two most obvious Nintendo characters that come to my mind are Ridley and Ballon Fighter but I know there's more. If we can find out who they all are, chances are one of them will appear since I doubt Pit, Meta Knight and Charizard will be the only characters that can glide in the end.
You forgot another flying fighter...the Coin block from Super Mario.
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Post by: Mashiro on August 31, 2007, 12:08:06 AM
Who was worried about the stage designs?
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 31, 2007, 12:39:17 AM
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Wario Ware - Think Game & Watch's stage, except you are stuck inside a constant game of Wario Ware! Wackiness ensues! =D
Finally a stage! And one I called! (all the way down to the constantly-changing minigames!)
Post by: Tanookisuit on August 31, 2007, 01:37:07 AM
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Post by: Sarail on August 31, 2007, 02:00:17 AM
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This is going to be crazy. All this games are going to effect how you play, and you must have quick reactions, not to get hurt...craziness is definitely going to ensue. I don't even know if we can actually classify Brawl as a fighting game anymore. It has risen to something much, much greater.
Confirmed!
Sakurai = God.
Post by: LuigiHann on August 31, 2007, 03:56:17 AM
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Pure awesome stage.
Who was worried about the stage designs?
I'm a bit disappointed that the "main stage" shown at the end is so generic. But obviously the minigames make up for it.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 31, 2007, 07:27:20 AM
Seriously, Brawl is going to feature some really beautiful backgrounds but its going to feature some of the most basic fighting stages in SSB history.
At least the Wario Ware stage has you fighting IN a part of Nintendo history, not in front of it.
I am wondering, will some of the mini game elements (like the flying arrows in the Ninja minigame and the rain in the umbrella mini game) serve as stage hazards?
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 31, 2007, 08:18:46 AM
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I am wondering, will some of the mini game elements (like the flying arrows in the Ninja minigame and the rain in the umbrella mini game) serve as stage hazards?
It certainly looks like the rain is damaging Mario and Kirby to me.
Post by: Louieturkey on August 31, 2007, 09:23:42 AM
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I am wondering, will some of the mini game elements (like the flying arrows in the Ninja minigame and the rain in the umbrella mini game) serve as stage hazards?
It certainly looks like the rain is damaging Mario and Kirby to me.
Ahhhhh, ACID RAIN!!!!!! It hurts!!!
Post by: stevey on September 02, 2007, 08:04:41 PM
edit: is the video loading for anyone???
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 02, 2007, 08:12:33 PM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 02, 2007, 08:29:09 PM
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More like an awesome update...Anything showing off more of Palutena's fantastic new model is anything but "meh"...
I admit I haven't seen the video (I'm on the Wii right now, doesn't work for some reason).
I just wanted more info and screens.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 02, 2007, 08:32:06 PM
That's pretty much all you need to get from it... =D
Post by: Kairon on September 02, 2007, 08:46:59 PM
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Pit = Pure bad-ass...Palutena = silent, but commanding, beauty...
That's pretty much all you need to get from it... =D
Just think of what their kids will be like!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 02, 2007, 09:13:01 PM
It was a neat little movie, but it was somewhat of a weak update.
So its still 'meh' in my book...
Post by: ShyGuy on September 02, 2007, 10:05:12 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on September 03, 2007, 02:27:58 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Finally saw the video.
It was a neat little movie, but it was somewhat of a weak update.
So its still 'meh' in my book...
You judged the video long before you saw it. The video would have had to introduce about 5 new character for you to change your mind.
Post by: JonLeung on September 03, 2007, 02:35:02 AM
Man, that's cool. A cut-scene all about Pit.
Post by: Pale on September 03, 2007, 03:41:19 AM
Who to play as first... Pit, or Pokemon Trainer!?
ARGH!
Post by: Shecky on September 03, 2007, 03:42:54 AM
Also, seems that Pit = Link... both left handed, and they even share the same vocabulary
Post by: Louieturkey on September 03, 2007, 04:20:05 AM
That was one of the best updates yet. Just because it showed off how cool a new Kid Icarus game will be.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 03, 2007, 04:20:50 AM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngelQuote
Originally posted by: pap64
Finally saw the video.
It was a neat little movie, but it was somewhat of a weak update.
So its still 'meh' in my book...
You judged the video long before you saw it. The video would have had to introduce about 5 new character for you to change your mind.
Oh boy not this crap again...
I already said the video was cool, but frankly I care more about the gameplay than the cutscenes I'll be watching in the game. Who are the assist trophies, the stages I'll be playing, the new modes, stuff of substance.
Post by: Mashiro on September 03, 2007, 04:48:26 AM
Post by: Mikintosh on September 03, 2007, 05:24:31 AM
Post by: nickmitch on September 03, 2007, 06:39:35 AM
Post by: Adrock on September 03, 2007, 07:55:28 AM
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I like that they're (presumably) going with the Zelda approach to cut-scenes, without voice-overs. I always thought it was more powerful storytelling, myself.
Not to open this debate up again, but the Zelda style cut-scenes only really work if there isn't any (or contains very little) dialog. I barely like cut-scenes to begin with, but I absolutely hate reading through them. The Zelda series has gotten worse and worse over the years by making cut-scenes longer and wordier. If cut-scenes absolutely need to be there, I prefer voice-acting, but I still prefer shorter cut-scenes with or without voice acting since they can still be effective under the right direction and watching the game is kept to a minimum.
In any case, I like the idea of no voice-acting beyond the little gasps and such we've heard so far. The cut-scenes are short and to the point.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 03, 2007, 08:00:55 AM
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Originally posted by: Shecky
Also, seems that Pit = Link... both left handed...
Southpaws rock... =3
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Originally posted by: Adrock
What I want to know is, if Palutena is so great, why doesn't she just fight herself?
You could just say that greater deities aren't allowed to influence the world in any way... =)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 03, 2007, 09:05:35 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 03, 2007, 11:14:11 PM
Post by: Shecky on September 04, 2007, 01:22:59 AM
Post by: Shecky on September 04, 2007, 01:28:34 AM
"We’re also considering allowing you to save your name to the memory in your Wii Remote so you can bring your settings with you to your friend’s house...
But if we can’t make that happen, I apologize. "
Wii developers need to start using the SD card for this stuff.
Post by: UERD on September 04, 2007, 01:39:39 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 04, 2007, 02:05:17 AM
Post by: Louieturkey on September 04, 2007, 04:46:32 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 04, 2007, 04:52:47 AM
"For some reason, Diddy has a weapon made of wood. Is that jungle technology?"
"Also, if the shell breaks and a peanut pops out, you can apparently eat the peanut."
"You recover a little damage when you eat it. Is this for real?"
Priceless.
I like how they made it so that the gun explodes if you charge for too long. That should prevent players from abusing it.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 04, 2007, 05:11:26 AM
Post by: nickmitch on September 04, 2007, 06:13:41 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 04, 2007, 06:27:10 AM
Post by: nickmitch on September 04, 2007, 06:48:05 AM
Post by: JonLeung on September 04, 2007, 05:01:24 PM
"You can charge the gun. BY THE WAY, it could blow up in your face if you charge too long."
"You may get a peanut when the shell breaks. BY THE WAY, you can eat that to restore some health."
"You can fly up with the barrel jetpack. BY THE WAY, it can fly off and blow up."
Shouldn't they save the extra effects for some of the other characters? I don't remember that much for anybody, ever.
Post by: anubis6789 on September 04, 2007, 05:41:45 PM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
Aren't there just TOO many extra effects on Diddy alone?
"You can charge the gun. BY THE WAY, it could blow up in your face if you charge too long."
"You may get a peanut when the shell breaks. BY THE WAY, you can eat that to restore some health."
"You can fly up with the barrel jetpack. BY THE WAY, it can fly off and blow up."
Shouldn't they save the extra effects for some of the other characters? I don't remember that much for anybody, ever.
He can also charge the jetpack as well.
Keep in mind that Link now uses the Gale Boomerang, which grants that move a new effect and he can charge his Spin Attack. Not to mention the reworking of tether moves, Wario materializing a Motocycle, and the unflinching behavior that Ike exhibits while he has thrown his sword during Aether.
Another thing to remember is that we only know about a small amount of the special moves in this game, and that we do not even know very much about the ones that have been revealed.
Post by: Dasmos on September 04, 2007, 05:46:06 PM
QuoteWho says they're not? Honestly people cry about the smallest things.
Originally posted by: JonLeung
Aren't there just TOO many extra effects on Diddy alone?
"You can charge the gun. BY THE WAY, it could blow up in your face if you charge too long."
"You may get a peanut when the shell breaks. BY THE WAY, you can eat that to restore some health."
"You can fly up with the barrel jetpack. BY THE WAY, it can fly off and blow up."
Shouldn't they save the extra effects for some of the other characters?
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 04, 2007, 05:52:30 PM
Well, it sounds like it "charges" in the same manner that Fox's Up+B Foxfire move does...
Post by: anubis6789 on September 04, 2007, 05:55:37 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"He can also charge the jetpack as well."
Well, it sounds like it "charges" in the same manner that Fox's Up+B Foxfire move does...
From the site: If you charge this up before using it, your jump power increases.
To me that makes it sound like a choice.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 04, 2007, 06:01:22 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on September 04, 2007, 06:02:35 PM
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Originally posted by: DasmosQuoteWho says they're not? Honestly people cry about the smallest things.
Originally posted by: JonLeung
Aren't there just TOO many extra effects on Diddy alone?
"You can charge the gun. BY THE WAY, it could blow up in your face if you charge too long."
"You may get a peanut when the shell breaks. BY THE WAY, you can eat that to restore some health."
"You can fly up with the barrel jetpack. BY THE WAY, it can fly off and blow up."
Shouldn't they save the extra effects for some of the other characters?
Why all the harshness Dasmos?
You could have just said "Who says they're not?", and it would have gotten the same message across without the mean little quip at the end... OH MY GOD I am turning into my parents.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 04, 2007, 06:03:31 PM
Bald spot! =O
Post by: anubis6789 on September 04, 2007, 06:12:40 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
So if you don't charge it your jump power doesn't increase? That makes it sound absolutely useless if it isn't charged... ='D
Jump power does not necessarily have to mean jump height, they could just mean that the move does more damage or moves faster when charged but the actual height of the jump stays the same.
Besides the move may not even be chargeable in the air, or it could cover a very usable, in the sense of a third jump, distance when uncharged. All I can say is I do not know.
Post by: Arbok on September 04, 2007, 08:04:31 PM
Well, I guess it was far overdue for them to add Meta Knight back to the site...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 04, 2007, 08:04:46 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on September 04, 2007, 08:07:11 PM
But yeah, this has been LOONNNNNNNNNNGG overdue.
Post by: nickmitch on September 04, 2007, 08:24:11 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 04, 2007, 10:43:42 PM
With Meta finally introduced the only one left is Snake. Afterwards the rest are going to be Melee veterans and newcomers. Hopefully there will be more character updates and reveals soon.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 04, 2007, 11:30:27 PM
Post by: Ceric on September 05, 2007, 01:50:38 AM
Post by: Tanookisuit on September 05, 2007, 02:17:21 AM
Post by: nickmitch on September 05, 2007, 03:56:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I personally think that Metaknight got the raw deal on his reveal. Has has no captions to go with his pictures and not that clever of wording.
Most of the other character reveals were that way. A lot of them just came with movesets.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 05, 2007, 04:23:16 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 05, 2007, 05:01:46 AM
Post by: Arbok on September 05, 2007, 05:46:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I still fully expect Jiggly and Luigi to be unlockables again...
Same, meaning we probably won't hear anything about either until release.
Post by: Ceric on September 05, 2007, 06:23:06 AM
Post by: anubis6789 on September 05, 2007, 08:26:05 PM
I wonder what the electric setting will be like.
As far as Mario having a new down B, I think the tornado has replaced the cape as the side B move.
If my hypothesis is correct I wonder if Luigi will loose the Green missile, it being replaced by the tornado as well, and his down B becomes the Polturgust. That would just be awesome.
Post by: Robageejammin on September 05, 2007, 08:26:20 PM
The Spin attack is probably the down A charge I bet
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 05, 2007, 08:39:48 PM
Post by: HadesGigas on September 05, 2007, 08:41:43 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
Well Bill you got your wish, Pokemon Stadium has finally been revealed.
I wonder what the electric setting will be like.
As far as Mario having a new down B, I think the tornado has replaced the cape as the side B move.
If my hypothesis is correct I wonder if Luigi will loose the Green missile, it being replaced by the tornado as well, and his down B becomes the Polturgust. That would just be awesome.
It says Mario Tornado is a NORMAL attack. Not a special.
Post by: anubis6789 on September 05, 2007, 08:44:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Robageejammin
Update is Live guys
The Spin attack is probably the down A charge I bet
Now that you bring it up, it may in fact be a normal move, I just figured the update was trying to lead us off course with the remark regarding the possibility of it becoming a normal move. I think though that it will either be down A in the air, replacing the drill kick, or it is merely what happens when you press down B in the air. My reason for believing this is that in both the picture in this update as well as the second trailer (Mario uses it relatively close to the beginning) It appears to only be used in the air.
Well this puts a damper on my wish that they will remove or change (in a way that would be more fitting for the character, at least in my opinion) Luigi's green missile, I hate that move, but at least it opens up the possibility that Luigi will get the Poltergust.
Post by: anubis6789 on September 05, 2007, 08:52:49 PM
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Originally posted by: HadesGigasQuote
Originally posted by: anubis6789
Well Bill you got your wish, Pokemon Stadium has finally been revealed.
I wonder what the electric setting will be like.
As far as Mario having a new down B, I think the tornado has replaced the cape as the side B move.
If my hypothesis is correct I wonder if Luigi will loose the Green missile, it being replaced by the tornado as well, and his down B becomes the Polturgust. That would just be awesome.
It says Mario Tornado is a NORMAL attack. Not a special.
It does not directly say that the tornado is a normal move now it only hints at it, what with the comment being in the form of a question with a question mark, and an exclamation mark, at the end. Given how Sakurai works though, the tornado probably is a normal move now, but there is still the possibility that the remark was meant to fool us.
Post by: HadesGigas on September 05, 2007, 09:02:49 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 05, 2007, 09:05:31 PM
The first thing that came to me when I saw the FLUDD move was that it could be very useful in a team battle, where one person as Mario could use the FLUDD to keep the opponents at bay while another as Link or Pit or Samus let loose a bunch of ranged attacks.
Post by: Robageejammin on September 05, 2007, 09:07:17 PM
If you look closely you can see mario with his cape, just a confirmation that its still there...phew. If you want to see it for yourself look at the part of the E3 trailer right before metaknight is shown and keep your eye on Mario. Sorry if this was already confirmed :P
Post by: anubis6789 on September 05, 2007, 09:34:57 PM
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Originally posted by: HadesGigas
Yeah, every damn thing he says on the site has question marks... I don't see what point would be in misleading people about it.
Sorry, after rereading what I wrote it did come off as a little rude. I was just trying to say that the comment really did not go either way in say definitively that the Tornado is a normal move now.
As for why they would want to mislead, I do not know, maybe just to have a little fun with the audience, or maybe they wanted us to go and discuss the possible ramifications of a character having a special move become a normal move so that if they drop something like Peach losing the Peach Bomber we won't immediately freak out because we would be used to the idea.
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Originally posted by: Robageejammin
Oh wow, cant believe I didnt catch this before...
If you look closely you can see mario with his cape, just a confirmation that its still there...phew. If you want to see it for yourself look at the part of the E3 trailer right before metaknight is shown and keep your eye on Mario. Sorry if this was already confirmed :P
I had not noticed that before, thanks.
I guess I just want Luigi's old side B to be changed or removed so bad that I just try and create ways for it to be gone. It does relieve me to see that the Cape is still in though, SMW is my favorite Mario game (that is of course if you count Yoshi's Island as a separate series).
Post by: Adrock on September 05, 2007, 09:48:04 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 05, 2007, 10:38:53 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 06, 2007, 12:39:52 AM
but it's certainly a nice adjustment to Mario's move set
Post by: Sarail on September 06, 2007, 01:08:14 AM
Up+B - Shoots a blast of air downwards propelling him into the air (recovery move) / used standing it would create a poof of air so strong that would smack opponents backward.
Standard B - Pulls the opponent toward Luigi, sucking them into the vaccuum / push B again to shoot them out causing MASSIVE DAMAGE.
Forward+B - Shoots out an element shot / fire, water, lighting (each with it's own damage percentage) / smash + B for this move would build up the charged element.
Down + B - Charge Jump attack (Super Mario Bros. 2 style) / smash down + B to jump even higher (ala Super Paper Mario)
There ya go. That would make Luigi a distinctly unique character in Brawl. It would do away with his copycat clone moves in Melee, though. ^_^
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 06, 2007, 01:47:34 AM
As for Mario's FLUDD move, I was hoping when I saw that it would replace his Cape move, because now he will have two special moves that do little to NO damage, but are supposed to keep people at bay or avoid projectiles. Does Mario need to be that defensive oriented?
Overall I really like the FLUDD move though, I think it will add something for Mario. And his Spin Attack could be his Downward Air Smash now...or just Downward Smash in general.
As for Luigi, I do hope he has the Poltergust on him permanently as well. Though I would change his Down + B not to be the charge jump...Instead I would just give it to him if he docks with out moving for 3 seconds he can have the charge jump. It fits more with being game accurate.
Then I would give the suction move...as a tether attack. To keep him different from Mario, and also make him jump much higher than Mario.
Post by: Darkheart on September 06, 2007, 01:56:36 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 06, 2007, 02:01:39 AM
Post by: Tanookisuit on September 06, 2007, 02:08:59 AM
Post by: Ceric on September 06, 2007, 02:25:35 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 06, 2007, 04:20:37 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 06, 2007, 04:36:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Fiiiiinally, all of the known starters have their profiles...(If Sakurai keeps to what he's said, Snake will be unlockable...)
Where was it he said Snake was unlockable?
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 06, 2007, 05:12:15 AM
Post by: EasyCure on September 06, 2007, 06:32:35 AM
his leg sweep will be missed
Leg Sweep: 1996-2007
Post by: anubis6789 on September 06, 2007, 11:35:27 AM
Post by: Shecky on September 06, 2007, 03:50:22 PM
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Originally posted by: darkheart
I wonder if Fludd could be used like a jet pack. . .
Looks like he can recover pretty well without it....
Mario's UP-B
Post by: stevey on September 06, 2007, 08:09:06 PM
GREATEST UPDATE EVER!
Post by: anubis6789 on September 06, 2007, 08:13:15 PM
While I am kind of sad that it seems we will not be able to play MP3s off an SD card, I am happy that the Dark World Theme is in the game, as well as the multitude of songs that appear to be in the game now.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 06, 2007, 08:35:50 PM
Post by: Arbok on September 06, 2007, 08:40:12 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
Wow, a triple update.
While I am kind of sad that it seems we will not be able to play MP3s off an SD card, I am happy that the Dark World Theme is in the game, as well as the multitude of songs that appear to be in the game now.
I'd normally agree... but if we are honestly getting 4+ original/arrangement themes created for each stage, I would much rather take that over using mp3s personally.
Ideally, both would be possible, of course, although I certainly won't complain about what was decided upon. I'm really glad about this too as a number of the released themes were, while not bad, kind of lackluster in terms of picturing myself fighting to the music. This releases any fear I might have had about a theme not being up to snuff, as it will be one of many.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 06, 2007, 11:07:51 PM
And hey, hey...Dark World Theme...
Post by: Robageejammin on September 06, 2007, 11:57:56 PM
Hype meter is broken cause Brawl just WTFPWND it
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 07, 2007, 12:12:45 AM
Post by: Sarail on September 07, 2007, 12:22:27 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 07, 2007, 12:32:31 AM
Bill way to call the dark world theme (or request it I should say) some time ago haha.
This is a great feature (to me at least) and I can't wait to mess around with a stages music. Awesome awesome stuff.
Post by: Shecky on September 07, 2007, 01:06:57 AM
and the potential that the music changes for each type too.
Post by: Shecky on September 07, 2007, 01:11:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
BEST UPDATE EVER!
And hey, hey...Dark World Theme...
One of the best song in the series, right up there with Hyrule Castle.
Also SD card music /may/ still be an option. They could easily work that in but the options may be more limiting.... (ie Pick the likely hood of any one of the canned songs, or pick a random mp3 on your card).
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 07, 2007, 01:14:55 AM
One thing is certain I will be spending an entire afternoon recording the music from my TV into a digital recorder and creating a nice Nintendo music CD.
Post by: Darkheart on September 07, 2007, 01:35:56 AM
Now when I started listening to these midis some have been hit or miss with me. Too many of the songs though sound underpowered or not edgy enough to be a fighting song. Perhaps a lot of them would song edgier if they had more realistic instrumentation. Another thing I always thought was that perhaps these midi samples were just low quality and put on the site because they were either WIP or easier to load. Looking at todays update though we have the main theme song to the game and its fully orchestrated and streaming in fairly decent quality.
Now don't get me wrong, I think this is my favorite update thus far but I guess it just popped my bubble about the quality of midi getting better. Maybe I am far too critical being a musician for 16 years so perhaps I set the bar too high.
Love the update tho.
Post by: nickmitch on September 07, 2007, 02:25:24 AM
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 07, 2007, 05:04:07 AM
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Originally posted by: TVman
Yeah, I can see the little chime being the cue for the stage change. I think that'd make the stage more fun. You hear the chime and think "uh-oh!" And the stage slowly changes.
So we think this may be when the ice or earth change could happen. That is an interesting thought. I like this idea. The music changes with the stage. That would actually be pretty awesome.
Here's a thought about the CD item. Does anyone have an idea where they could pop up or how often? Will it be in Adventure mode or in multiplayer or even in the mini games like the trophies did in Melee? Is S_B going to get upset again because there's another type of item that needs to be collected? Anyone have an idea?
Post by: Artisto16 on September 07, 2007, 05:26:41 AM
I think that the collectable items will be scattered about just like in Melee. It will definately give some more incentive to play the other game modes (not that they have to worry about people not playing the other game modes). It would be a bit dull if EVERYTHING had to be unlocked through story mode. I do hope alternate options are available too, like how Mewtwo in Melee can be unlocked by playing 20 hours or 200 matches in VS mode, whichever came first.
Post by: Ceric on September 07, 2007, 06:26:16 AM
For all the people who want SD card Music: You could always just turn the music off and have it played through something else.
As for the Pokemon Stadium music. I'm sort of disappointed because I really enjoyed the organ type version they did in the original Pokemon Stadium.
Post by: mantidor on September 07, 2007, 06:26:59 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 07, 2007, 06:29:17 AM
If we think that each franchise will at least get 5 songs...probably more. Can you imagine how much music is in this game.
Donkey Kong Series
Wario Ware
Metroid
Zelda
Fire Emblem
Earth Bound
Mario
Kirby
Pokemon
Animal Crossing
That is 50.
Now consider other options and you realize that this will have the most music of any Nintendo game series ever.
Post by: Arbok on September 07, 2007, 06:33:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Now consider other options and you realize that this will have the most music of any Nintendo game series ever.
Makes you wonder how many CDs it would take to fill up the soundtrack, if that's ever all released.
On a side note, Ceric's post got me thinking that I actually hope the Melee music is reused here as another option. A lot of that music was excellent, and it would certainly be nice to have the option to pick it again from the MyMusic feature amongst all of the newly arranged stuff.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 07, 2007, 06:35:54 AM
Post by: Darkheart on September 07, 2007, 07:11:19 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I think we finally have justification for the midi music files. It will allow potentially 100+ songs from all over the Nintendo universe.
If we think that each franchise will at least get 5 songs...probably more. Can you imagine how much music is in this game.
Donkey Kong Series
Wario Ware
Metroid
Zelda
Fire Emblem
Earth Bound
Mario
Kirby
Pokemon
Animal Crossing
That is 50.
Now consider other options and you realize that this will have the most music of any Nintendo game series ever.
You forgot Metal Gear if there is anymore new characters from dif series it will be even MORE. COME ON KINGDOM HEARTS~!
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 07, 2007, 09:02:39 AM
Think about it. We saw AT LEAST 4 Zelda and 4 Mario songs. I do not believe those are the only ones. I believe it is more likely tied to how many memorable tunes they choose to include in the game...and could include one song from every game entry in the series or at least from each generation of consoles.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 07, 2007, 09:20:58 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
We saw AT LEAST 4 Zelda and 4 Mario songs.
Judging by the scroll buttons, I think it's safe to say there are at least 5 Zelda and 6 Mario songs.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 07, 2007, 10:31:08 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Bill: Actually don't think that it is tied to the number of stages or number of characters from each series.
Think about it. We saw AT LEAST 4 Zelda and 4 Mario songs. I do not believe those are the only ones. I believe it is more likely tied to how many memorable tunes they choose to include in the game...and could include one song from every game entry in the series or at least from each generation of consoles.
Obviously, but if there's only 1 WarioWare stage to say, 5 or 6 Mario-related stages, which do you think will have more music attached to it? =)
Post by: stevey on September 07, 2007, 10:35:27 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 07, 2007, 11:01:21 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 07, 2007, 11:24:54 AM
Obviously there will be more Mario and Zelda tunes and such than Wario Ware, all I am saying is I don't expect the corralation to be how many stages there are...but to how many great memorable songs there are to each series.
I reall do expect to see between 50-100 musical pieces in this game now. Look at all the cool collectibles there were in Melee. Brawl looks to be taking that to the next level and really reward those gamers that play this game for hours on end. And you know songs could be added to play list...after all Midi files are pretty small and wouldn't take too much space to add that for wiiconnect functions.
Post by: LuigiHann on September 07, 2007, 12:57:04 PM
We'll see if I'm right, though.
Post by: Mashiro on September 07, 2007, 01:14:07 PM
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Just so you know, there may be songs from other games that are left as is, without any new arrangement.
Arrangements and the possibly of the original versions of songs? Awesome. =D
Post by: EasyCure on September 07, 2007, 01:59:29 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
You know I am surprised no one points this out yet (or maybe someone did and I missed it):Quote
Just so you know, there may be songs from other games that are left as is, without any new arrangement.
Arrangements and the possibly of the original versions of songs? Awesome. =D
I took that to mean the songs from Melee would be left unchanged, but you could be right too.
Someone refresh my memory: Did the Classic levels in melee have new music or were they the original SSB versions?
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 07, 2007, 02:23:30 PM
Post by: Sarail on September 07, 2007, 02:26:39 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on September 07, 2007, 03:30:42 PM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHann
I'm guessing that each level has its own, separate set of songs. So games with more stages will have more songs, but: a) the average number of songs per level will be fairly standard and b) the songs will not be interchangeable from level to level. That's just my hypothesis.
Not trying to be a jackass by possibly proving your hypothesis wrong, or get anyone's hopes up in the process, but quoted directly from the site (with my bold added for emphasis):
For songs you’re particularly fond of, you can increase the likelihood those songs will appear. Then, when you brawl on that stage, the chance of your preferred songs being played increases.
Of course, if you want to, you can limit a stage to only one song, or make every song in the game equally likely to appear.
After thinking about it though, there is still a pretty good possibility, in my assumption, that an option to read MP3s off of an SD card may still be in the game, I mean it just seems that everything else is going to be in SSBB anyway, including the proverbial kitchen sink.
Even though I had said earlier in this thread, regarding collections and the stickers with the possibility that trophies may still be in the game, that I fear that they may put too much into this game to collect, I think I may actually be turning towards the idea that I could/would really enjoy collecting everything this game has. Hell, I enjoyed getting all the trophies in SSBM twice (even that damned Crazy Hand trophy). I just thank God I do not have a girlfriend because come December third she would probably never hear from me again.
Post by: Mashiro on September 07, 2007, 03:42:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
The original music...And I believe they mean some retro songs will be unchanged, just like they didn't bother changing the music for the Mushroom Kingdom and Mushroom Kingdom II stages...
Yeah that's what I meant. Which I wouldn't mind at all =)
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 07, 2007, 11:03:26 PM
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Not trying to be a jackass by possibly proving your hypothesis wrong, or get anyone's hopes up in the process, but quoted directly from the site (with my bold added for emphasis):
For songs you’re particularly fond of, you can increase the likelihood those songs will appear. Then, when you brawl on that stage, the chance of your preferred songs being played increases.
Of course, if you want to, you can limit a stage to only one song, or make every song in the game equally likely to appear.
Actually, the bold part makes it sound like there's just an option to allow every song to just randomly play when you start a stage, similar to how when your in tournament mode you can set all stages on random and make it that any computer opponents will be on a random level. The rest of Sakurai's quote points heavily at each stage having a different selection of tracks to choose from like LuigiHann said.
Plus people have to remember that it isn't hard for this game to have a lot of music. They have around 40 different composers doing the music for this game. If each of these guys does 3 songs that's already over 120 tracks. Now I'm not saying they'll all do 3, but I'm sure some of these composers might do around 5 while others might do only 1 - 2. Either way it's safe to assume Brawl will have a HUGE amount of music and there's no reason to believe otherwise when this game has a TON of famous composers doing the soundtrack.
I'd imagine each stage having it's own unique selection of music wouldn't be that hard to do when Sakurai has his own army of musicians under his command.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 08, 2007, 02:49:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Even though I'm late I still have to say it, GREATEST UPDATE EVER!!!Quote
Not trying to be a jackass by possibly proving your hypothesis wrong, or get anyone's hopes up in the process, but quoted directly from the site (with my bold added for emphasis):
For songs you’re particularly fond of, you can increase the likelihood those songs will appear. Then, when you brawl on that stage, the chance of your preferred songs being played increases.
Of course, if you want to, you can limit a stage to only one song, or make every song in the game equally likely to appear.
Actually, the bold part makes it sound like there's just an option to allow every song to just randomly play when you start a stage, similar to how when your in tournament mode you can set all stages on random and make it that any computer opponents will be on a random level. The rest of Sakurai's quote points heavily at each stage having a different selection of tracks to choose from like LuigiHann said.
Plus people have to remember that it isn't hard for this game to have a lot of music. They have around 40 different composers doing the music for this game. If each of these guys does 3 songs that's already over 120 tracks. Now I'm not saying they'll all do 3, but I'm sure some of these composers might do around 5 while others might do only 1 - 2. Either way it's safe to assume Brawl will have a HUGE amount of music and there's no reason to believe otherwise when this game has a TON of famous composers doing the soundtrack.
I'd imagine each stage having it's own unique selection of music wouldn't be that hard to do when Sakurai has his own army of musicians under his command.
Look at it like this there will be at least 40 brand new arrangements, and then all the retro unchanged music could just be dropped in with little to no work at all. so over 100 songs is more than likely. If each of the composers did 2 songs each that would be 80 with Retro songs. Lets just say this game is going to be one big gigantic love for Nintendo. It doesn't matter if you like the series or not, you are going to want this game.
Post by: Mikintosh on September 08, 2007, 07:33:37 AM
Minor point, interesting that the "Play" caption over the selected track in the pictures is of the Cube A-button, which definately shows he's considering that the default at this point, and the extra Wii Remote options tertiary. Not that I mind at all.
Post by: HadesGigas on September 08, 2007, 11:14:00 AM
The closest thing would be "default" if it is plugged in the first time you turn it on. Though that seems like it would be pointless since this would only take effect if you had no save file. Since after that it would likely be configured to whatever you set in your profile options by default. Whoever takes the screen shots is just a Gamecube controller type of person.
Post by: anubis6789 on September 08, 2007, 01:25:35 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 08, 2007, 06:49:24 PM
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Originally posted by: HadesGigas
Since tons of people will turn it on for the first time without a Gamecube controller connected
Bull. Most of the people who buy Brawl will be people who bought and enjoyed Melee, and they will almost ALL have a Gamecube controller connected the first time they play.
Post by: Mashiro on September 08, 2007, 06:59:41 PM
It's either classic controller or more than likely going to be my wavebird <3.
Post by: Sarail on September 08, 2007, 07:06:49 PM
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Originally posted by: Dirk TemporoQuote
Originally posted by: HadesGigas
Since tons of people will turn it on for the first time without a Gamecube controller connected
Bull. Most of the people who buy Brawl will be people who bought and enjoyed Melee, and they will almost ALL have a Gamecube controller connected the first time they play.
Bull to you, Dirk. I've been playing Melee heavily since 2001 when it first released, and I'd say I'm as hardcore about Smash Bros. as the rest of the Smash Bros. community... BUT...
...I WILL NOT be playing Brawl with my GameCube controller. It's Nunchuk+Remote for me -- that's the only way.
Post by: Mashiro on September 08, 2007, 08:23:14 PM
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Originally posted by: RachtmanQuote
Originally posted by: Dirk TemporoQuote
Originally posted by: HadesGigas
Since tons of people will turn it on for the first time without a Gamecube controller connected
Bull. Most of the people who buy Brawl will be people who bought and enjoyed Melee, and they will almost ALL have a Gamecube controller connected the first time they play.
Bull to you, Dirk. I've been playing Melee heavily since 2001 when it first released, and I'd say I'm as hardcore about Smash Bros. as the rest of the Smash Bros. community... BUT...
...I WILL NOT be playing Brawl with my GameCube controller. It's Nunchuk+Remote for me -- that's the only way.
Well he did say almost all
It all comes down to personal preference though, everyone, regardless of their play time with the series (got the original and melee on the first day and I can't really see myself playing with the wiimote set up).
Different strokes for different folks.
Post by: Arbok on September 08, 2007, 08:59:15 PM
Post by: HadesGigas on September 09, 2007, 03:05:52 AM
Now how many of them will buy SSBB? Hard to say, but I think if Nintendo plays their cards right, this is a game they can easially get the new fans hooked on. Maybe not the old ladies, but the normal people who haven't played Nintendo games since the 80s/early 90s.
Post by: Adrock on September 09, 2007, 08:42:08 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 09, 2007, 08:49:30 AM
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Of course, all this could have easily been avoided if the Wii remote had more face buttons in place of the solitary A........
Defeating Nintendos goal of a simple controller for the every-man.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 09, 2007, 12:57:52 PM
And I think that most people will start the game with the Wiimote nunchuk....because it is a freaking Wii game. Most people buying the game will want to try out the Wii controls if they are used to Smash Bros. And if they are not then they will be starting a new Wii game up like they always do Wiimote and Nunchuk.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 09, 2007, 04:52:50 PM
Hope they announce a new character tonight. It's been too long...
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 09, 2007, 05:00:29 PM
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Post by: Adrock on September 09, 2007, 05:36:30 PM
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Defeating Nintendos goal of a simple controller for the every-man.
Adding 3 buttons wouldn't change that though. Motion controls are pretty straight forward and games for the every-man almost exclusively use motion controls.
I've noticed that developers of traditional games on Wii tend to make compromises when it comes to controls. The controls still work very well in many cases, but I can't help thinking that the controls could be just a little better if the devs had an extra button to work with.
I probably wouldn't have bothered buying extra Gamecube controllers if the Wii remote and nunchuck had buttons to mimic the configuration on a Gamecube controller (minus C-stick Smash moves).
Post by: Mashiro on September 09, 2007, 06:06:15 PM
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Originally posted by: AdrockQuote
Defeating Nintendos goal of a simple controller for the every-man.
Adding 3 buttons wouldn't change that though. Motion controls are pretty straight forward and games for the every-man almost exclusively use motion controls.
I've noticed that developers of traditional games on Wii tend to make compromises when it comes to controls. The controls still work very well in many cases, but I can't help thinking that the controls could be just a little better if the devs had an extra button to work with.
I probably wouldn't have bothered buying extra Gamecube controllers if the Wii remote and nunchuck had buttons to mimic the configuration on a Gamecube controller (minus C-stick Smash moves).
It would change it though.
The more buttons the more daunting things seem.
Post by: Louieturkey on September 09, 2007, 08:05:05 PM
Hmmm, the people who hate items will love this guy.
Post by: Adrock on September 09, 2007, 08:19:59 PM
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It would change it though.
The more buttons the more daunting things seem.
Maybe if you're just looking at the controller and even then, the Wii remote would still look like a remote and most television remote, for example, have far more buttons anyway. More importantly, the hook is that people who normally don't play videogames become interested by watching other people play. They're not looking at buttons (mostly because they can't see the buttons), they're looking at someone swinging around a white thing that doesn't look like a normal or daunting controller. And isn't that Nintendo's whole approach? Isn't that the reason for the Wii Experience vids and the "Wii would like to play" commercials showing people playing?
Having more buttons just makes it easier for traditional games to be made for Wii. I think the more hesitant devs would be more willing to accept Wii if they didn't feel they had to compromise due to fewer buttons. One could say that that would make devs lazy by not forcing them to think around the remote's motion capabilities, but I think the opposite it true. They'd experiment with it because it's available yet don't feel forced to use it. It's kind of like the DS. No one absolutely had to use the touch screen or microphone, but 3rd parties nowadays normally do.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 12:27:43 AM
(Stop talking about control topics from a year ago...Make a separate topic...)
Post by: Pale on September 10, 2007, 12:47:08 AM
Will Munchlax eat a Pokeball that may have another Munchlax in it?
Post by: Tanookisuit on September 10, 2007, 02:06:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale
This update begs the question...
Will Munchlax eat a Pokeball that may have another Munchlax in it?
Whoa.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 10, 2007, 04:37:12 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale
This update begs the question...
Will Munchlax eat a Pokeball that may have another Munchlax in it?
Is there an Ouroboros pokémon?
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 10, 2007, 04:59:52 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 10, 2007, 07:28:07 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 10, 2007, 08:24:25 AM
I know it's not possible to have a character update every day, but it's just like how you can't eat filet mignon every day because it costs too much but that doesn't mean you don't hanker for it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 09:13:38 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 10, 2007, 12:19:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Honestly, it's better than an update that has nothing to do with gameplay at all, but still, once we've seen new character updates, everything else is just "blah" by comparison.
I know it's not possible to have a character update every day, but it's just like how you can't eat filet mignon every day because it costs too much but that doesn't mean you don't hanker for it.
So you are using my food metaphor, eh S_B? :p
As for the update, here is how I would rank the updates:
- New character
- Veteran character
- Stage update
- Adventure mode
- Assist trophy
- Music
- Item
- Basic gameplay (stuff that we already know of)
- Pokemon
- Extremely late update
Maybe its just me but Pokemon updates are not as exciting as Assist trophy updates.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 12:25:14 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
So you are using my food metaphor, eh S_B? :p
You stole it from Kojima, you cad!
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 10, 2007, 12:47:09 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Maybe I'm only speaking for myself, but I'm grateful for the food I eat, no matter what it is... =)
Being grateful and longing for better are two different things.
I'm grateful the site exists at all, but the site and the hype are truly at their best right after the reveal of a new character. Nothing like browsing SSB forums after a new reveal...
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 01:07:13 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 10, 2007, 01:12:54 PM
I'm with Bill on this one.
Post by: Shecky on September 10, 2007, 01:25:13 PM
I wondering if they plan on focusing on the unique assist trophies, pokemon, and items as Munchlax looks to be yet another that doesn't really directly benefit the user.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 10, 2007, 01:37:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Shecky
I like to mix these updates in with a Life...
Just exactly what are you saying? *Raises eyebrow
And guys, enough with the preaching. I KNOW that Sakurai is playing his hype card the best way possible and is keeping the frequency of new character updates to a minimum. I actually like some of the updates on the website (the "My Music" update was really cool), but that doesn't mean that I will be impressed by ALL of them. Like I said, I find Assist trophy updates to be more fun than Pokemon ones.
So let's leave it at that.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 10, 2007, 02:02:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
But even special food gets tiring if you have it too often...That's why I like having lots of small updates with the rare MEGATON update...It just makes the update that much more special...
Of course, but you're going to tell me that you don't sit there hitting reload with anticipation when the site is about to update, hoping for the megaton?
Post by: Mashiro on September 10, 2007, 02:09:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
But even special food gets tiring if you have it too often...That's why I like having lots of small updates with the rare MEGATON update...It just makes the update that much more special...
Of course, but you're going to tell me that you don't sit there hitting reload with anticipation when the site is about to update, hoping for the megaton?
I used to do that . . . when I didn't have a job <3
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 02:10:04 PM
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Post by: anubis6789 on September 10, 2007, 03:52:03 PM
Post by: JonLeung on September 10, 2007, 03:58:29 PM
Hope he isn't as rare in this game. That sounds kind of fun, him eating items. As long as it's not something you're going for, anyway.
It would be funny if he ate Bob-Ombs, Starmen, Hammers, Poké Balls, Smash Balls, and other interesting items and at least reacted a little differently while/after eating them.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 04:13:30 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
Sami is considered loli?!?
Well, anyone underage is loli in my book! And I think Sami is 16... =)
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 10, 2007, 04:56:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Well, anyone underage is loli in my book!
That's not loli.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 05:05:15 PM
Post by: Louieturkey on September 10, 2007, 08:07:54 PM
Now that is awesome. Give me as much of her as I can get.
Post by: IceCold on September 10, 2007, 08:19:55 PM
Post by: Louieturkey on September 10, 2007, 08:30:18 PM
Still, she'll be fun to use when you get her.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 09:16:28 PM
She needed to be playable...
There better be an equally cool female Fire Emblem playable character, Sakurai!
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 11, 2007, 01:46:01 AM
However, at least we get to see her in the game...and that is a good thing.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 11, 2007, 01:57:02 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I wanted her playable, because there has never been enough female character in Brawl. And it looks like once again female characters are going to be absent.
Still way too early to say...
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 11, 2007, 02:13:18 AM
Oh Ayra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 11, 2007, 02:26:51 AM
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Post by: Luigi Dude on September 11, 2007, 05:13:58 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 11, 2007, 05:28:08 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
*wince*
She needed to be playable...
There better be an equally cool female Fire Emblem playable character, Sakurai!
WHERE'S YOUR MEGATON NOW!?!? HAHAHAHA!
But seriously, she should have been playable, unless this means Titania will be playable, in which case I'll cry tears of joy.
Post by: vudu on September 11, 2007, 07:25:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
There better be an equally cool female Fire Emblem playable character, Sakurai!
QuoteNephenee, please.
Originally posted by: HadesGigas
If there's another playable Fire Emblem character I want it to be someone who doesn't use a sword. No more swords.
Lances, FTW.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 11, 2007, 07:27:04 AM
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 11, 2007, 07:47:59 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 11, 2007, 11:10:06 AM
This update proves further that the assist trophies are both a blessing and a curse; they help keep the riff raff away from the roster but drag really cool characters along with them.
Oh and along with Titania I want to see Mordecai and the other beast people. THEY ROCK!
Post by: Darkheart on September 11, 2007, 11:12:19 AM
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Originally posted by: Louieturkey
I love how we see one person and suddenly many say they want these other people because of that one person.
I dont understand everyone here is talking about Fire Emblem characters, Fire Emblem is represented in the game. Its not like they showed some assist trophy from some obscure game and people are now talking about what possible characters could become of it. We have had officially now 3 Fire Emblem characters and its the assumption that 2 will be retiring leaving one new one Ike. Most people assume that there will be at least one more Fire Emblem character to join the battle and people are simply speculating.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 11, 2007, 11:22:54 AM
But Lords make the most sense, so there's Eirika (Sacred Stones) and Micaiah (Lord for the first bit of Radiant Dawn)...Not much to choose from! =(
Post by: Sarail on September 11, 2007, 03:40:22 PM
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Originally posted by: HadesGigas
If there's another playable Fire Emblem character I want it to be someone who doesn't use a sword. No more swords.
I still think Sothe is going to make it as a playable character since he's the star of FE10. Plus, it would be extremely awesome to play as a character who wields dual daggers, and would be (I would hope) almost as quick as Fox or Falco.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 11, 2007, 03:42:16 PM
Uh... =3
Post by: Sarail on September 11, 2007, 03:48:21 PM
Pit's land AND air based. Sothe would be a primarily land, up-close, combo-type attacker. Extremely fun to play as. Not that Pit won't be fun to play as.. like I said.. I'm looking forward to it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 11, 2007, 03:50:02 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 11, 2007, 08:07:01 PM
Nice to see the environment hazard to shake things up...
Post by: LuigiHann on September 11, 2007, 08:17:48 PM
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Ooooh. It’s so dynamic!
Sometimes I wonder if he's being sarcastic.
Post by: Robageejammin on September 11, 2007, 08:19:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIZCmhYTL1o&mode=related&search=
Just awesome
Post by: ShyGuy on September 11, 2007, 08:23:06 PM
I'll get Godzilla instead
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 11, 2007, 08:26:49 PM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHannQuote
Ooooh. It’s so dynamic!
Sometimes I wonder if he's being sarcastic.
No, I just think the man is insane.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 11, 2007, 08:27:16 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
All these environmental hazards make me think this game will be too hard.
I'll get Godzilla instead
Actually either way, getting Godzilla would be a smart move!
Post by: Arbok on September 11, 2007, 08:45:40 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Actually either way, getting Godzilla would be a smart move!
I approve of this post!
Post by: JonLeung on September 12, 2007, 01:22:47 AM
Easily still the best Kirby game ever made.
I broke off the tabs at the bottom of the Super NES's cartridge slot to play the Japanese version, and then I rented the North American version twice, and then I bought it...and I'll buy it again on the VC.
The Megaton Punch music should be in one of the Kirby stages, too. Maybe not this one, though.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 12, 2007, 01:38:56 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"On the plus side the FE series is rich in characters, many of them female. I'm sure they can pluck one of them and put her in the game."
But Lords make the most sense, so there's Eirika (Sacred Stones) and Micaiah (Lord for the first bit of Radiant Dawn)...Not much to choose from! =(
Celica says hi. Besides, the most popular Fire Emblem female was never a lord to begin with. I don't know about Micaiah's popularity since she's still new, but I know nobody likes Lyn, Celica, or Eirika.
Post by: Ceric on September 12, 2007, 02:19:23 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 12, 2007, 03:36:59 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I cry for the lost potetential of this level.
Elaborate plz.
Post by: Sarail on September 12, 2007, 03:52:51 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 12, 2007, 03:57:29 AM
"I don't know about Micaiah's popularity since she's still new, but I know nobody likes Lyn, Celica, or Eirika."
I don't know about Japan, but Lyn is HUGELY popular in the U.S., even among non-Fire Emblem fans...
Post by: Robageejammin on September 12, 2007, 04:32:56 AM
Well...maybe not all those things at once but you get the picture
Or maybe I'm just being too critical because Kirby Superstar is my #1 Favorite game of all time
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 12, 2007, 07:07:41 AM
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Originally posted by: pSYCO-gAMER321
The Battleship stage reminds me of Power Stones 2 as well. I bet Brawl will play something like that, which is good because I loved that game! This stage will probably be banned in tournaments.
Yeah for PowerStone 2 love.
Post by: Robageejammin on September 12, 2007, 07:47:44 AM
halberd1
halberd2
map
metaknight
boss
Post by: Ceric on September 12, 2007, 08:56:15 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuyQuote
Originally posted by: Ceric
I cry for the lost potetential of this level.
Elaborate plz.
Look At that Beautiful Deck that we won't be fighting the length of...
I don't know if Kirby goes in the ship in the game but that would be cool as well. Another short stage that could have been longer...
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 12, 2007, 09:56:29 AM
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Post by: Sarail on September 12, 2007, 04:57:53 PM
After all, Smash is a fan-service game. What happened to stages like on the first Smash? I want my terrain stages!
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 12, 2007, 08:12:11 PM
And in today's update, neat, but why must Bowser be getting owned in every movie or screenshot of this game that he's in?
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Post by: Sarail on September 13, 2007, 12:36:10 AM
Sorry.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 13, 2007, 01:23:48 AM
I know there are several I want to try:
1)Metal Bunny Brawl: You will have the weight difference, but still have the speed.
2)Curried Metal Brawl: You can take extra damage, and you will be doing extra damage with spicy hot combos.
3)Flowered Stamina Brawl: Your Health slowly drains while you fight to the death. This would be great with switching off all items but food.
4)Reflective Giant Brawl: I am guessing projectiles bounce off, forcing hand to hand combat among Giants.
This will be a great feature...and hopefully you will have this much customization online.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 13, 2007, 01:32:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I agree that this stage would have been great to fight on, lenghtwise.
And in today's update, neat, but why must Bowser be getting owned in every movie or screenshot of this game that he's in?
I'm more annoyed by the fact that the week is over and no character has been unveiled!!!
Post by: Darkheart on September 13, 2007, 01:53:17 AM
Post by: Louieturkey on September 13, 2007, 02:25:01 AM
And the pointless post award goes to...
Post by: Ceric on September 13, 2007, 04:34:21 AM
*Start Metal and Bunny. Last 30 Minutes. Item Probability of the Cracker 99% or High. Coin Mode and Team Mode.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 13, 2007, 05:10:38 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 13, 2007, 05:25:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Louieturkey
Don't count on it, as I see him only releasing characters every other week at this point. Though this is all personal conjecture, so it may well be a character update.
Haven't we gone two weeks with no char update now?
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 13, 2007, 05:34:45 AM
Looking at our list, we have 17 characters (not counting Zero Suit Samus, as she's included with Samus...) After tomorrow's update, we have 11 weeks of updates...So if we got a character tomorrow, and a character each week after, we'd end up with 29 starters...If we went every other week we'd end up with 23-24 starters...I'm thinking 25 starters is likely, but there's really no way to know for sure...
(Edit: Snake is also not included in this due to Sakurai stating that 3rd party characters will be unlockable...)
Post by: Louieturkey on September 13, 2007, 06:22:15 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 13, 2007, 07:41:16 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
We got Meta Knight last Wednesday...
Looking at our list, we have 17 characters (not counting Zero Suit Samus, as she's included with Samus...) After tomorrow's update, we have 11 weeks of updates...So if we got a character tomorrow, and a character each week after, we'd end up with 29 starters...If we went every other week we'd end up with 23-24 starters...I'm thinking 25 starters is likely, but there's really no way to know for sure...
(Edit: Snake is also not included in this due to Sakurai stating that 3rd party characters will be unlockable...)
I think he was talking about a new challenger update or a veteran update.
Oh and the "Snake will be unlockable" logic doesn't make sense. Fans KNOW that he will be in the game. He was prominently featured in the two Brawl trailers, his profile was featured in the old Brawl website and he represents one of Brawl's biggest additions. I doubt they would keep his profile hidden till after the game was released. It wouldn't make sense.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 13, 2007, 10:32:48 AM
"Don't you think we should have all the starters by the time the game comes out in Japan? They get the same updates as us correct?"
I don't think Japan even has a set date for the game yet...
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 13, 2007, 11:25:26 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
We got Meta Knight last Wednesday...
Then tonight should be one. We've generally gotten at least one character per week (except that Peach and the Pokemans Trainer were in the same week).
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 13, 2007, 11:59:58 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Sakurai himself said this, not me...And running by how the Melee site worked, no unlockable characters were revealed on the site until after the game was released (even those that people knew were going to be in the game, like Luigi...)
The difference is that Luigi was NOT confirmed to be a returning character. Snake on the other hand has been confirmed to be in the game. It would be pointless to keep him a "surprise" when everyone knows he's in.
Also, the "unlockable" thing is pointless because for all we know Diddy, Pokemon Trainer and Ike could be unlockable characters.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 13, 2007, 12:26:22 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 13, 2007, 01:35:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Sakurai already said that unlockable characters won't be shown on the site until after the game is released...
Link? I ask because I DO remember him saying that Snake was going to be an unlockable character but I don't recall him saying that secret characters would not be featured on the website.
Again, this makes sense for the other unknown characters, but not for Snake. He's already been revealed. Like I said earlier his profile was featured in the old website and if I'm not mistaken Snake's icon can be seen on the site (I was wrong, but the icon WAS revealed a while ago).
I know I'm being doubtful but the last time "Sakurai" said something it turned out to be fake.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 13, 2007, 02:12:58 PM
Last I heard, Sakurai said that all unlockable characters would be made known on the site, prior to the release of the game.
Also, I thought I remember hearing November 20-something for Japan, but I'm far from certain.
I also remember the bit about Snake having to be unlockable since he was a "guest" in the game, but I never heard anything that suggested that he and other 3rd party characters wouldn't be acknowledged.
If this is the case, I'd like to know because it'll give me another week to hope that some of the unlockable characters don't suck ass until Japan dumps a massive pile of screenshots of the full roster all over the internet.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 13, 2007, 02:41:37 PM
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One person emails Sakurai requesting that instead of having unlockables, that everything should simply be open form the start. Sakurai says that having secret characters is one of the fun parts of the Smash Brothers series. He says that in this digital age (this is not a direct translation, just my rewording of it), information moves far too quickly to be able to keep all of the characters a secret before the launch of the game. With Melee, in the weeks leading up to the game’s release, a new character was revealed each week. Not every single character was revealed, but some were. He says he wants to keep some characters secret until the “very end,” just as he did with Melee.
Considering all the secret characters in Melee weren't profiled on the site until the game's release, and Sakurai is following this same method, I think it's safe to assume that he'll be keeping all the secret characters secret until some blabbermouth spills the beans the day of release...
(This doesn't prove that Snake's profile won't make it on the site before release due to the weird circumstances of having a known, unlockable character, but who knows...)
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 13, 2007, 02:46:56 PM
For curiosity's sake, which characters were revealed up to the release of Melee? Who stayed a secret?
But yeah, it doesn't really matter because we're guaranteed to know all of the characters the day it launches in Japan anyway, unless the Japanese roster will turn out to be different, which I highly doubt...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 13, 2007, 02:54:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Ah, I see.
For curiosity's sake, which characters were revealed up to the release of Melee? Who stayed a secret?
But yeah, it doesn't really matter because we're guaranteed to know all of the characters the day it launches in Japan anyway, unless the Japanese roster will turn out to be different, which I highly doubt...
If I am not mistaken the new Melee characters confirmed before the game was released were:
Bowser
Peach
Zelda/Sheik
The Ice Climbers
The characters that stayed a secret were:
Mewtwo
Ganondorf
Mr. Game and Watch
Marth
Dr. Mario
Young Link
Falco
Luigi
Jigglypuff
If what the website says is true then that means that we won't learn if Sonic is in the game till after the game is released...
Post by: JonLeung on September 13, 2007, 03:42:13 PM
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Originally posted by: Rachtman
After all, Smash is a fan-service game.
...fully demonstrated by Professional 666's Camera Mode upskirt shots of Peach dressed as Daisy.
Post by: HadesGigas on September 13, 2007, 04:05:49 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Ah, I see.
For curiosity's sake, which characters were revealed up to the release of Melee? Who stayed a secret?
But yeah, it doesn't really matter because we're guaranteed to know all of the characters the day it launches in Japan anyway, unless the Japanese roster will turn out to be different, which I highly doubt...
Probably not the day of. Odds are it will again take a while to unlock certain characters.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 13, 2007, 08:03:46 PM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 13, 2007, 08:08:31 PM
This also proves that the claim of Pit being the sole old school character is bullcrap, meaning that other characters can make the cut (go Little Mac!).
Post by: that Baby guy on September 13, 2007, 08:08:46 PM
Post by: nickmitch on September 13, 2007, 08:09:22 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
As S_B did say...ESKIMOS!!
fixed.
Post by: that Baby guy on September 13, 2007, 08:12:26 PM
Edit: I'm gonna call it, I think that stage is a Pikmin level.
Post by: HadesGigas on September 13, 2007, 08:17:08 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on September 13, 2007, 08:20:02 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 13, 2007, 08:20:58 PM
I hope they update the Ice Climbers, like better AI for Nana and better attacks.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 13, 2007, 08:37:48 PM
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 14, 2007, 03:31:17 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 14, 2007, 03:55:52 AM
Post by: Robageejammin on September 14, 2007, 04:15:17 AM
Original pic
Theres a little weird icon right over Link's head and its not part of the big snowflake the Ice Climbers are making
Is that a familiar icon to anyone? cause I'm not recognizing it right off the bat. I know, I know, over speculating I guess. Just wondering if anyone knew anything I didn't
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 14, 2007, 04:47:33 AM
Edit: I take that back. The picture wouldn't load, so I was going from memory. I still think it's just an artifact of that attack, though.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 14, 2007, 07:09:59 AM
With this update I have taken the liberty of also confirming Luigi and Captain Falcon in the official character list, because if Ice Climbers are returning definitely both Luigi and Falcon are returning for another bout.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 14, 2007, 09:17:38 AM
At this point ANYTHING can happen...
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 14, 2007, 09:33:45 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 14, 2007, 09:35:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
But Sakurai never said that the Ice Climbers would get the boot...He only said "some characters" would, which I personally take to mean the clones...
Yeah but can you seriously believe anything from a mad man?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 14, 2007, 09:41:51 AM
"They get along well...do they?" XD
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 14, 2007, 09:50:49 AM
Post by: Adrock on September 14, 2007, 09:51:24 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on September 14, 2007, 10:00:36 PM
Post by: Adrock on September 14, 2007, 11:26:46 PM
Jeez...
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2007, 01:19:21 AM
Post by: Sarail on September 15, 2007, 01:38:39 AM
Post by: Darkheart on September 15, 2007, 01:39:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Oh we need a "insert the subtitle for this pic contest" for that one like . . . . "DINNAR RAWR" "Hey Nana did you shave today?" "I see it as an improvement" "I see no difference" "roar :3" Ok I will stop
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Post by: Adrock on September 15, 2007, 10:03:05 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2007, 10:30:38 AM
Post by: Adrock on September 15, 2007, 11:53:39 AM
emoticon as well. In any case,1. Nala kicked Simba's ass.
2. Nana was useless
3. Hopefully, the Ice Climbers get a better 3rd jump
Post by: Mikintosh on September 15, 2007, 11:28:08 PM
Actually, I was playing Melee today, and Ice Climbers are actually pretty good in 3-4 person matches at stopping fast opponents like Fox and Capt. Falcon in the tracks, even if they're not that powerful themselves. Thus, I deem them practical, though again their uniqueness is enough of a qualification for a return appearance. Wonder how they'll put them into the storyline with no backstory and no major enemies, I believe...
Post by: Ceric on September 16, 2007, 03:25:38 AM
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Post by: IceCold on September 16, 2007, 08:42:31 PM
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What is this?! As far as hooks go, this is pretty odd. It may even be a little hardcore.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 16, 2007, 09:57:08 PM
(It's from Wrecking Crew, by the way!)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 17, 2007, 08:14:45 PM
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Post by: Adrock on September 17, 2007, 08:18:17 PM
I'm still of the opinion that nothing beats playing against someone in the same room right next to you, even with voice chat online. But since that's not always possible, I'm glad Nintendo is finally embracing online play. Smash was going to rock my face off if it had no online play, now it just rocks more of my face off.
Infinite + 1 replay value
This game will officially never get old for me... (edit) until Smash 4 comes out.
Post by: IceCold on September 17, 2007, 08:33:01 PM
QuoteHmm. Hmmmmm.. so then, what happens when you're only using the remote as a control method.
These short messages are entered in advance, and you send them by taunting. There are four messages for the four directions on the +Control Pad: Up, down, left and right.
Intriguing.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 17, 2007, 08:34:43 PM
Sakurai just won the English language, that was the greatest sentence ever conceived.
And it comes in a blog post on a Tuesday, I wouldn't have guessed that. No warning, no sign, no anything. Oh well.
This settles one of the biggest arguments regarding this game. I know for a fact money is changing hands because of wagers about this. I think the taunting system is about as good as you can get without full-on voice chat. I am certain there will be complaints about no records for random play, because that is the last thing even remotely negative about the game that I can see. This game is going to be one for the ages, one of the best all time, and I can't wait. Super Mario Galaxy is still going to be better.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on September 17, 2007, 10:00:43 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 17, 2007, 11:20:00 PM
string the four text inputs together, and you can make one obscene sentence.
Post by: Kairon on September 17, 2007, 11:24:32 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 17, 2007, 11:46:37 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 17, 2007, 11:53:08 PM
pwned!
Seriously though, megaton! Best update to wake up to ever.
I knew Sakurai and Nintendo wouldn't let us down ^^!
Post by: stevey on September 18, 2007, 12:19:58 AM
Also, No stats for random online play= smartest move ever! No really, no more diconnects
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 18, 2007, 12:36:12 AM
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Originally posted by: stevey
W00t!
Also, No stats for random online play= smartest move ever! No really, no more diconnects
I never thought of it that way, that's a great reason for it.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 18, 2007, 01:23:23 AM
He assumed this from the screens.
I never played MK DS online so I can't say how good or bad this may be.
Can anyone clear this up for me?
Post by: Shecky on September 18, 2007, 01:39:00 AM
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Originally posted by: insanolordQuote
Originally posted by: stevey
W00t!
Also, No stats for random online play= smartest move ever! No really, no more diconnects
I never thought of it that way, that's a great reason for it.
Oh, they'll still disconnect... just because - although this is a bit of a deterrent (no records of ANY kind)
Post by: Shecky on September 18, 2007, 01:41:08 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Not to be a killjoy but a friend of mine brought this up. He believes that the online mode will not allow you to pick which friends to battle, like in Mario Kart DS.
He assumed this from the screens.
I never played MK DS online so I can't say how good or bad this may be.
Can anyone clear this up for me?
The way they seem to picture friend matches is that you arrange the meetup out of band and then log in and select friend match. The likely hood that other friends are just sitting there in that mode waiting for someone to join is VERY low.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 18, 2007, 01:51:21 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteHmm. Hmmmmm.. so then, what happens when you're only using the remote as a control method.
These short messages are entered in advance, and you send them by taunting. There are four messages for the four directions on the +Control Pad: Up, down, left and right.
Intriguing.
How I understand how it works is Once you start doing your taunt you can then push up,down, left, right to throw out your custom slam. That is really all there is to it. So I am guessing while you taunt you will vunerable.
I can't wait to play Captain Falcon, and have him speak and my taunt be: "Show me your moves!"
This is such a great update. And with this update we have another new thing to speculate about...Online Modes. I am expecting you can trade Sticker Pages, and Smash photos with friends. Perhaps even Trophies...that would be awesome.
Post by: Shecky on September 18, 2007, 02:15:30 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Not to be a killjoy but a friend of mine brought this up. He believes that the online mode will not allow you to pick which friends to battle, like in Mario Kart DS.
He assumed this from the screens.
I never played MK DS online so I can't say how good or bad this may be.
Can anyone clear this up for me?
Actually it looks a lot better than what I first thought....
Just point him at this picture: (See "Register your friends!" on today's update)
You can:
1) Leave "away notes" like, "I'll be playing tonight at 8!"
2) See who's online (Janey in the shot)
3) See who's hosting a game (Bill in the shot)
4) Presumably join games being hosted (click on Bill to join his game)
Your name and FC are easily found at the top (A nice change)
Overall the interface looks very nice compared to DS efforts at the same, and the away messages should help a ton for setting up matches
Post by: Ceric on September 18, 2007, 03:16:49 AM
Post by: Arbok on September 18, 2007, 03:26:06 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Am I the only one that finds it funny that neither Mashiro or Arbok are on for the best announcement, considering they have been Smash Brother Brawl's biggest fans?
Yep... sadly summer is over so weekday nights till midnight are hard to pull off when I have to get up at 6 the next day... ;_;
Post by: anubis6789 on September 18, 2007, 03:51:03 AM
Sandbag is back!!!
I am only half-joking BTW
Post by: Ceric on September 18, 2007, 04:01:28 AM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
I think everyone is completely missing the most important fact issued in this update:
Sandbag is back!!!
I am only half-joking BTW
We knew that already. It has a horde of Children working in League with Evil to Extract Its Revenge while remaining docile and benevolent with clean rags.
Post by: Stogi on September 18, 2007, 04:33:54 AM
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Originally posted by: insanolord
I am certain there will be complaints about no records for random play, because that is the last thing even remotely negative about the game that I can see. This game is going to be one for the ages, one of the best all time, and I can't wait. Super Mario Galaxy is still going to be better.
I'm not entirely sure about the no records comment. He leaves room for speculation at the bottom of the post saying something to the effect of: we have other online modes in mind but we're saving those for later.
I'm guessing it's a tournament mode. Nintendo may even offer prizes such as the awesomely cool CD's and/or stickers.
Post by: Michael8983 on September 18, 2007, 04:37:37 AM
If you think of your opponent as a simple scarecrow, any psychological barriers may melt away."
YES!!! Nothing could be worse than playing a random match and being hooked up with someone named "cute puppy". How could you hit THAT?
Beating up people I know in a FRIENDS match is no problem however. I love Sakurai. It's true that you can't be a genius without a little madness.
Post by: nickmitch on September 18, 2007, 04:38:10 AM
Post by: anubis6789 on September 18, 2007, 04:59:27 AM
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Originally posted by: CericQuote
Originally posted by: anubis6789
I think everyone is completely missing the most important fact issued in this update:
Sandbag is back!!!
I am only half-joking BTW
We knew that already. It has a horde of Children working in League with Evil to Extract Its Revenge while remaining docile and benevolent with clean rags.
HA!
We all know that is just liberal propaganda, he is actually in league with the Duck Hunt Dog (A.K.A. DHD) and Zombie Tesla.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 18, 2007, 06:01:16 AM
(if there are symbols, which there better be!)Aw
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 18, 2007, 06:19:56 AM
- Bitch about the lack of deeper online modes
- Bitch about the lack of customization
- The friend codes
- The lag even in local matches
- No leader board/ranked battles
Not to be overly pessimistic since I AM happy that online has been confirmed but these were some of the complains that came from both fans AND the media when talking about Mario Strikers Charged's online mode (which is up to date the best online experience on th Wii yet).
Plus, Nintendo has a lack of messing up online mode in their games.
Post by: Ceric on September 18, 2007, 06:28:55 AM
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Post by: Mikintosh on September 18, 2007, 07:31:26 AM
Post by: UERD on September 18, 2007, 07:40:14 AM
If you're getting disconnected often enough for that to make a difference, you need to get a better internet connection or find another hobby.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 18, 2007, 07:49:22 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Everyone is ignoring my big news
Go back to the Smash Brothers Melee board! Oh wai... =3
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 18, 2007, 08:10:56 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Everyone is ignoring my big news
What big news?
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on September 18, 2007, 08:22:19 AM
Post by: Adrock on September 18, 2007, 08:44:56 AM
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insanolord wrote:
And it comes in a blog post on a Tuesday, I wouldn't have guessed that. No warning, no sign, no anything. Oh well.
No one should be surprised by this announcement. Halo 3 comes out next week.
Post by: stevey on September 18, 2007, 09:17:19 AM
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Originally posted by: Mikintosh
I just don't see why they couldn't keep records for the global matches; if the matches don't matter at all, I might as well play against the CPUs and save my bandwith. Of course, I wasn't buying this game for the Wi-Fi anyway, so it's fine...
You still have friend records which really are better. I rather know that I beat 18day 100-7, than know that "your a h-o-m-o" won over a 1000 matches and Mii looks just like a p-nes....
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 18, 2007, 09:24:20 AM
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Originally posted by: AdrockQuote
insanolord wrote:
And it comes in a blog post on a Tuesday, I wouldn't have guessed that. No warning, no sign, no anything. Oh well.
No one should be surprised by this announcement. Halo 3 comes out next week.
100th day of updates... =3
Post by: Kairon on September 18, 2007, 09:34:44 AM
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Originally posted by: steveyQuote
Originally posted by: Mikintosh
I just don't see why they couldn't keep records for the global matches; if the matches don't matter at all, I might as well play against the CPUs and save my bandwith. Of course, I wasn't buying this game for the Wi-Fi anyway, so it's fine...
You still have friend records which really are better. I rather know that I beat 18day 100-7, than know that "your a h-o-m-o" won over a 1000 matches and Mii looks just like a p-nes....
/agreed
I especially like the fact that they don't track the random matches wins and losses. This way, people can just concentrate on playing. And no one will disconnect to avoid a loss, or disconnect in fear of another player...
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 18, 2007, 09:38:58 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
/agreed
Oh great, you're doing this too now...
Putting a "/" before a word means you are closing whatever word you put after it (just like if you bold something in a post you put "/B" after it)...So are you done agreeing with him? Does this mean you'll never agree with stevey ever again!?
Post by: Mikintosh on September 18, 2007, 09:39:46 AM
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Originally posted by: steveyQuote
Originally posted by: Mikintosh
I just don't see why they couldn't keep records for the global matches; if the matches don't matter at all, I might as well play against the CPUs and save my bandwith. Of course, I wasn't buying this game for the Wi-Fi anyway, so it's fine...
You still have friend records which really are better. I rather know that I beat 18day 100-7, than know that "your a h-o-m-o" won over a 1000 matches and Mii looks just like a p-nes....
Good point, though then I actually have to find other people I know with Wiis, and that's been surprisingly tough. Damn you friend codes, a thousand times!
Post by: EasyCure on September 18, 2007, 10:05:00 AM
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Originally posted by: MikintoshQuote
Originally posted by: steveyQuote
Originally posted by: Mikintosh
I just don't see why they couldn't keep records for the global matches; if the matches don't matter at all, I might as well play against the CPUs and save my bandwith. Of course, I wasn't buying this game for the Wi-Fi anyway, so it's fine...
You still have friend records which really are better. I rather know that I beat 18day 100-7, than know that "your a h-o-m-o" won over a 1000 matches and Mii looks just like a p-nes....
Good point, though then I actually have to find other people I know with Wiis, and that's been surprisingly tough. Damn you friend codes, a thousand times!
try this
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 18, 2007, 10:09:13 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 18, 2007, 10:39:22 AM
Of course I'm not as excited right now because I have no internet connection in my apartment because I can't really afford one at the moment, so the update doesn't really affect me at the moment. But sometime in the future when I have the money to afford one, then I'll join the rest of you in the celebration.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 18, 2007, 08:06:30 PM
Post by: Arbok on September 18, 2007, 08:17:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Poppant is the best enemy in any game ever! I mean, seriously, an enemy with extra-large pants? FILLED WITH CANDY!? MORE LIKE FULL OF WIN!
So Poppant's pants are filled with presents and CANDY? I think Brawl has its official pedo.
Not to say he's not awesome, though...
Post by: that Baby guy on September 18, 2007, 08:20:00 PM
Can P2 be Gooey? A helper? You do start as Kirby, after all...
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 18, 2007, 08:31:37 PM
The most I'm hoping for is a couple more branching paths, as in the Petey Piranha update.
Might be they'd neuter Kirby, but it just seems more logical they've picked a succession of characters for you.
Either way, I blame every single limitation of adventure mode on the inclusion of online. Kirby should be able to copy everybody, and you should be able to play as anybody you like, and the cutscenes and bosses should be character-specific, and the adventure should be infintely deep, feature-rich and wonderfully different every time you play it. I hope when you all play this game you think of how much better adventure mode could've been if people hadn't brayed and clamored for Sakurai to waste his time killing virgins.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 18, 2007, 08:43:50 PM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
Speaking of Kirby, this update makes it seem like you'll be playing as specific characters in specific areas. Why? Because otherwise Kirby would be able to copy all these enemies, right? And I don't see that happening.
You could copy a Koopa Troopa or Goomba or Redead in Melee? =3
Post by: Crimm on September 18, 2007, 08:50:52 PM
Remotely Operated Bastard perhaps?
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 18, 2007, 08:51:07 PM
QuoteNo, but then Koopa Troopas, Goombas and Redead didn't have unicycles, scythes or candy in their pants.
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
You could copy a Koopa Troopa or Goomba or Redead in Melee? =3
QuoteWhatever helps you sleep at night.
Originally posted by: HadesGigas
There is no way Kirby is going to steal powers of non-playable characters. This wouldn't change no matter if Brawl had an online mode or not.
Post by: HadesGigas on September 18, 2007, 09:08:08 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on September 19, 2007, 12:31:41 AM
I am with Bill in the fact that Poppant is the coolest enemy in the game... unless there is some way to beat up on the dog from Duck Hunt, PETA be damned.
Post by: Ceric on September 19, 2007, 01:40:00 AM
They could just address Kirby gaining powers like they do in his games. Where he has about 6 or so and those are what the enemy gives.
Also its cool to see some of the different areas.
Post by: LuigiHann on September 19, 2007, 01:45:39 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 19, 2007, 02:24:22 AM
Post by: Louieturkey on September 19, 2007, 05:24:17 AM
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Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Poppant is the best enemy in any game ever! I mean, seriously, an enemy with extra-large pants? FILLED WITH CANDY!? MORE LIKE FULL OF WIN!
So Poppant's pants are filled with presents and CANDY? I think Brawl has its official pedo.
Not to say he's not awesome, though...
What I find hilarious about this guy is the fact that Sakurai stated he was introducing some of the more powerful ones and the second one is considered a coward and runs away. Boy, I guess if he actually stayed and fought we'd be no match for him.
Post by: Ceric on September 19, 2007, 06:48:03 AM
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Originally posted by: LouieturkeyQuote
Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Poppant is the best enemy in any game ever! I mean, seriously, an enemy with extra-large pants? FILLED WITH CANDY!? MORE LIKE FULL OF WIN!
So Poppant's pants are filled with presents and CANDY? I think Brawl has its official pedo.
Not to say he's not awesome, though...
What I find hilarious about this guy is the fact that Sakurai stated he was introducing some of the more powerful ones and the second one is considered a coward and runs away. Boy, I guess if he actually stayed and fought we'd be no match for him.
Come on. Its pants are filled with Items...
Post by: stevey on September 19, 2007, 08:06:20 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 19, 2007, 10:26:28 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 20, 2007, 04:32:46 AM
He partied properly on paradise lawns
Piplup the Penguin was a popcorn-popping paragon
Of Poppant pedophilia preventing pride
Edit: tomorrow will be a song!
Post by: Tanookisuit on September 20, 2007, 04:41:15 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on September 20, 2007, 08:08:22 AM
Post by: Ceric on September 20, 2007, 12:45:51 PM
Suddenly I see
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 20, 2007, 12:55:58 PM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHann
The effects of the water make me feel a bit better about Mario's FLUDD move. At first it seemed a bit useless, but now I see.
You didn't read the Pokemon Trainer moves update? (Squirtle)
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 20, 2007, 08:33:51 PM
Cypher isn't an intro animation, worst update ever!
Post by: Arbok on September 20, 2007, 08:38:58 PM
Post by: Louieturkey on September 20, 2007, 08:40:27 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on September 20, 2007, 08:44:37 PM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
Is anyone else surprised they picked music from MGS4 for the game?
Yes, but it sure is awesome.
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
So Snake profile DID come up after-all...I wonder if Sakurai will hold true on his unlockable comment or if he's taken that back...
Cypher isn't an intro animation, worst update ever!
This makes me very, very, very sad, but there is still a chance that the intros will return.
This update also inadvertently confirmed shielding, so that is also cool.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 20, 2007, 08:47:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
So Snake profile DID come up after-all...I wonder if Sakurai will hold true on his unlockable comment or if he's taken that back...
Cypher isn't an intro animation, worst update ever!
Like I said, that makes sense for characters that have yet to be revealed but Snake was already shown off.
I suspect that third party characters will be revealed and shown off even if they are unlockable for promotion's sake.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 20, 2007, 08:48:45 PM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
Is anyone else surprised they picked music from MGS4 for the game?
Well I expect there to be multiple tracks from all the Metal Gear games...My Music, remember?
Post by: anubis6789 on September 20, 2007, 08:55:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: Arbok
Is anyone else surprised they picked music from MGS4 for the game?
Well I expect there to be multiple tracks from all the Metal Gear games...My Music, remember?
Speaking about My Music, I wonder if they will do some version of "The Best is Yet to Come", which is my favorite piece of Metal Gear music, even though I do not see it fitting into a fighting game
Post by: Adrock on September 20, 2007, 09:06:51 PM
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Is anyone else surprised they picked music from MGS4 for the game?
Yes and no. On one hand, why advertise a PS3 game that will likely make it to 360 and NOT Wii... EVER? Then again, we have MGS2 Snake. It's like they're flat-out trying to point out that Snake has been seen on other consoles more. You'd think we'd get the Twin Snakes version because Miyamoto had to give Konami a kidney, lung, and Silicon Knights to get Metal Gear on Nintendo hardware.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 21, 2007, 12:17:15 AM
Post by: Shecky on September 21, 2007, 01:08:41 AM
Oh come on, someone had to post it
Icon #17 btw....
Post by: KDR_11k on September 21, 2007, 01:19:50 AM
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Originally posted by: Louieturkey
I love that picture of Snake about to silent kill Ike. It just makes me laugh. In a MGS game, it's cool. In SSBB, it's downright hilarious!!
Looks more like SURPRISE BUTTSECKS!
Post by: Ceric on September 21, 2007, 01:31:22 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 21, 2007, 02:11:59 AM
Post by: mantidor on September 21, 2007, 03:50:02 AM
that music, I can't tell if its orchestrated or not!Its damn depressing Metal Gear has a better arrangement than Zelda music...
Post by: Ceric on September 21, 2007, 04:01:31 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
KDR: I think that is going to be one of this throw moves...Being able to drag a victim and then toss them or just use them as a meat shield for attacks.
Take that Princess. There's a new bully in town.
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 21, 2007, 08:35:47 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
Its damn depressing Metal Gear has a better arrangement than Zelda music...
The Metal Gear music is indeed fully orchestrated. The big violin part is a dead giveaway because MIDI are unable to create a sound like that. Now really high quality MIDI like that used in Wind Waker have come very close but anyone that's heard a real violin can tell the difference.
Of course this also shows that Smash Bros Brawl will have music that is orchestrated after all. Even if it's just the Metal Gear music, no one can complain there isn't any orchestrated music in this game anymore. All the people that don't like MIDI can just play all there matches in the Metal Gear level where the music will be orchestrated. There, now everyone can be happy.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 21, 2007, 10:22:37 PM
Post by: Darkheart on September 22, 2007, 01:22:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
It's MIDI. How you can possibly confuse that travesty with orchestration, I don't know.
QFT It is very easy to point that out. It is high end quality midi but no sadly its midi.
Post by: anubis6789 on September 22, 2007, 04:36:34 AM
If you think that beautiful track was a travesty Dirk, then you must do all of your music listening off of studio masters or something because I doubt that you could even stand Records.
All of your MP3s must also be encoded at 320 kbps, that is if you listen to MP3s and not WAVs.
Sorry, I am sounding a bit rude and I am arguing matters of taste,which does not get anyone anywhere, but damn man did you go to the Dr. David Thorpe school of music appreciation.
Post by: Tanookisuit on September 22, 2007, 06:57:51 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 22, 2007, 08:28:50 AM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789Quote
Originally posted by: Arbok
Is anyone else surprised they picked music from MGS4 for the game?
Yes, but it sure is awesome.Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
So Snake profile DID come up after-all...I wonder if Sakurai will hold true on his unlockable comment or if he's taken that back...
Cypher isn't an intro animation, worst update ever!
This makes me very, very, very sad, but there is still a chance that the intros will return.
This update also inadvertently confirmed shielding, so that is also cool.
How did this update inadvertently confirm shielding? I have been looking at the pictures and text and nothing points to shielding.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 22, 2007, 08:48:12 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 22, 2007, 09:05:49 AM
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Arg! I thought we were finished with the whole MIDI discussion.
With online confirmed people have to complain about SOMETHING
Post by: anubis6789 on September 22, 2007, 11:16:05 AM
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Originally posted by: MashiroQuote
Arg! I thought we were finished with the whole MIDI discussion.
With online confirmed people have to complain about SOMETHING
Well I just thought that the next step of the brawl debate evolution would be the lack of certain online features, at least that seems to be where the rest of the internet is going.
Post by: that Baby guy on September 22, 2007, 11:22:27 AM
Seriously, now, as far as music goes, several great video game songs were midis. I have no problem hearing some more, as long as others are orchestrated. They're offering more songs than we've ever seen before, so I certainly am excited that midis help to allow this.
Post by: Ceric on September 22, 2007, 01:29:41 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789Quote
Originally posted by: MashiroQuote
Arg! I thought we were finished with the whole MIDI discussion.
With online confirmed people have to complain about SOMETHING
Well I just thought that the next step of the brawl debate evolution would be the lack of certain online features, at least that seems to be where the rest of the internet is going.
We already bashed ourselves to such a law standard for the online play already that anything beyond 1-on-1-no-items-random-only-select-stages would be considered a god send. Though we have high quality standards and Video and Audio... Go figure.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 22, 2007, 05:57:59 PM
Ganondorf
Captain Falcon
Jigglypuff
Mr. Game & Watch
Ness
And then possibly Marth and Mewtwo...I'm still on the fence with Marth, but Ike's move set is new, leading one to believe that Marth is still in...Mewtwo has lost his popularity as a super-powerful Legendary as new Legendaries take his place, so I'm thinking he could be dropped (for Lucario?)...
As for Luigi, I'm confident he'll be an unlockable... =)
Post by: Mario on September 22, 2007, 08:05:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Tanookisuit
I'm fully okay with the midi. I think it sounds great.
I agree I prefer it if anything. Especially for videogames. It's all about personal preference.
Post by: stevey on September 23, 2007, 08:07:33 PM
trophies confirmed!
Post by: that Baby guy on September 23, 2007, 08:12:35 PM
Post by: Crimm on September 23, 2007, 08:13:08 PM
Post by: stevey on September 23, 2007, 08:16:17 PM
confirmed?
Post by: nickmitch on September 23, 2007, 08:16:28 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Why does that banana have eyes and hands? I don't recognize it from anything with eyes and hands.
Peanut-butter Jelly Time?
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 23, 2007, 08:22:06 PM
With all the Trophies, Stickers and CD's Brawl is sure going to have a lot of content to keep us busy for a very long time.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 23, 2007, 08:29:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
I wonder just how many Trophies will be in Brawl. Melee has 290 (291 in Japan, 293 if you went to one of those event's in Japan to get Mario on Yoshi and Helmet less Samus) so I'd imagine Brawl will have at least 500.
With all the Trophies, Stickers and CD's Brawl is sure going to have a lot of content to keep us busy for a very long time.
You said it. I hope the main game is as robust as the extra features.
But what I am wondering is does this mean that collectable trophies work as assist trophies and vice versa? If that's the case then it makes sense to collect them all.
And I hope they have an even number now (none of this rushed crap!).
Post by: EasyCure on September 23, 2007, 08:32:22 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 23, 2007, 08:33:18 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Why does that banana have eyes and hands? I don't recognize it from anything with eyes and hands.
Donkey Kong Jungle Climber... =)
Yay, Ooccoo! That'd be so rad if she was an Assist Trophy, but I'm sure ATs and Trophies don't have to be correlated...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 23, 2007, 08:37:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: thatguy
Why does that banana have eyes and hands? I don't recognize it from anything with eyes and hands.
Donkey Kong Jungle Climber... =)
Yay, Ooccoo! That'd be so rad if she was an Assist Trophy, but I'm sure ATs and Trophies don't have to be correlated...
Some of them already are, though. In one of the screens you can see a Nintendog which is already an assist.
Maybe not all of the trophies will be assist but a handful of them already are.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 23, 2007, 08:39:07 PM
Post by: HadesGigas on September 23, 2007, 08:44:43 PM
Post by: Louieturkey on September 23, 2007, 08:46:03 PM
Post by: Mario on September 23, 2007, 08:49:08 PM
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Originally posted by: HadesGigas
Yeah, everything that appears in the game modes will be a trophy, but there will also be trophies of stuff that aren't. Just like in Melee.
Has that been confirmed?
Post by: IceCold on September 23, 2007, 08:52:14 PM
QuoteWell, if they're showing Ooccoo, of all things, I'd imagine the number will be astronomical.
Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
I wonder just how many Trophies will be in Brawl. Melee has 290 (291 in Japan, 293 if you went to one of those event's in Japan to get Mario on Yoshi and Helmet less Samus) so I'd imagine Brawl will have at least 500.
With all the Trophies, Stickers and CD's Brawl is sure going to have a lot of content to keep us busy for a very long time.
Awesome!
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 23, 2007, 09:00:00 PM
Post by: HadesGigas on September 23, 2007, 09:06:00 PM
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Originally posted by: MarioQuote
Originally posted by: HadesGigas
Yeah, everything that appears in the game modes will be a trophy, but there will also be trophies of stuff that aren't. Just like in Melee.
Has that been confirmed?
By a little thing called common sense, yes.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 23, 2007, 10:06:18 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 24, 2007, 01:35:52 AM
That is a mode I won't be using much, but it is cool to see.
So we are collecting:
Music
Stickers
trophies
in this game.
Post by: Robageejammin on September 24, 2007, 02:09:41 AM
Boxes and Sliding Boxes? I cant think of any reason for the separation right off the bat.
Post by: LuigiHann on September 24, 2007, 03:37:31 AM
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Originally posted by: Robageejammin
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various05/various05_070924c.jpg
Boxes and Sliding Boxes? I cant think of any reason for the separation right off the bat.
They're probably distinct items on the item switch (or rather, sliding boxes are considered an item, but regular boxes aren't). Plus sliding boxes have wheels.
Post by: Strell on September 24, 2007, 03:39:26 AM
Wow. No one has commented yet that all the screenshots show Gamecube buttons?
Green A, red B, yellow C stick, bean buttons...
Also (from another poster over there):
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Supposedly from the new Famitsu:
Katsuya Eguchi, director of the Animal Crossing games, has been interviewed in the latest issue of Famitsu. In it he discusses the upcoming Animal Crossing game on the Wii, although one of the questions ties into Super Smash Bros. Brawl.
FAMITSU: Have you been approached to contribute Animal Forest elements for the new Smash Bros. game?
KATSUYA EGUCHI: Yes, and there is quite a funny story to it. A few months after E3 2006, (Masahiro Sakurai) contacted me and asked if I'd like to develop possible Animal Forest ideas for Smash Bros. Originally, we settled on just a quick, simple Animal Forest item, but with the success of Wild World and the Animal Forest film, he asked if I'd be up for designing additional elements. [Laughs] Fast forward a few months and I had stage and character concepts created. Sakurai chose his favorite of the stage concepts, slightly tweaked it to his liking, and we together decided on the final Animal Forest character, which is a very fun character to play. With both the stage and character I utilized ideas from the games. For example, if you play the stage at night, the sky will be dark. If you play in the winter, expect to see snow, and leaves in the autumn time. And yes, trees will be decorated on Christmas! It's really something else. I worked very hard on this one little stage! [Laughs] The Animal Crossing character is very much like the one in the games. You know, he will use his axe, fishing rod, bug catching net, and everything else from the games.
Post by: Dasmos on September 24, 2007, 03:56:22 AM
QuoteHow is this anything to comment about.
Originally posted by: Strell
Coming from my CAG post:
Wow. No one has commented yet that all the screenshots show Gamecube buttons?
Green A, red B, yellow C stick, bean buttons...
QuoteThis is pretty cool.Quote
Supposedly from the new Famitsu:
Katsuya Eguchi, director of the Animal Crossing games, has been interviewed in the latest issue of Famitsu. In it he discusses the upcoming Animal Crossing game on the Wii, although one of the questions ties into Super Smash Bros. Brawl.
FAMITSU: Have you been approached to contribute Animal Forest elements for the new Smash Bros. game?
KATSUYA EGUCHI: Yes, and there is quite a funny story to it. A few months after E3 2006, (Masahiro Sakurai) contacted me and asked if I'd like to develop possible Animal Forest ideas for Smash Bros. Originally, we settled on just a quick, simple Animal Forest item, but with the success of Wild World and the Animal Forest film, he asked if I'd be up for designing additional elements. [Laughs] Fast forward a few months and I had stage and character concepts created. Sakurai chose his favorite of the stage concepts, slightly tweaked it to his liking, and we together decided on the final Animal Forest character, which is a very fun character to play. With both the stage and character I utilized ideas from the games. For example, if you play the stage at night, the sky will be dark. If you play in the winter, expect to see snow, and leaves in the autumn time. And yes, trees will be decorated on Christmas! It's really something else. I worked very hard on this one little stage! [Laughs] The Animal Crossing character is very much like the one in the games. You know, he will use his axe, fishing rod, bug catching net, and everything else from the games.
Post by: Strell on September 24, 2007, 04:36:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Dasmos
How is this anything to comment about.
How is it not?
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 24, 2007, 04:41:27 AM
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Originally posted by: Strell
Supposedly from the new Famitsu:
I did a search for "famitsu KATSUYA EGUCHI" and I can't find any reference to that interview.
Furthermore, while Eguchi would believably be asked to deliver content for the stage, him "working" on it is a bit harder to swallow, considering that he should be working on the new AC game right now.
I also doubt he'd spill this instead of the SSBB site doing so.
Oh and...
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And yes, trees will be decorated on Christmas!
Animal Crossing has never once referred to Christmas as such, nor has it ever actually acknowledged the DAY of Christmas because Toy Day replaces Christmas as a universal holiday on Dec. 24th.
In fact, some trees will be decorated BEFORE Christmas but their lights will only flash on new years eve and day.
Then, there's also the fact that the AC humans appear in the background...
Post by: Mikintosh on September 24, 2007, 05:07:45 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 24, 2007, 05:39:34 AM
Not that I have complete faith in this rumour, but Toy Day doesn't exist in real life, which is what the game would be going by with the system calendar, after-all... =)
"I also doubt he'd spill this instead of the SSBB site doing so."
Tell that to Aonuma...
"Then, there's also the fact that the AC humans appear in the background..."
Can have multiple players in one town... =)
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 24, 2007, 05:48:03 AM
In fact, do a search on google for "KATSUYA EGUCHI: Yes, and there is quite a funny story to it." As of right now, I can't find it anywhere. Unless this JUST came out, then it should have found its way across the internet by now.
Post by: Pale on September 24, 2007, 05:50:00 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 24, 2007, 05:56:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale
How many stages in the history of smash bros haven't had a character associated with them?
I believe the stage will have a character, I just don't believe it'll be the human. I could be wrong about the human character, but I still think this interview is BS.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 24, 2007, 05:58:06 AM
The rumour is that it's a leak from Famitsu, which isn't even out yet...So it'd make sense for no one to know about it yet, if it does in fact exist...
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 24, 2007, 06:02:46 AM
Or if the AC human is revealed as a fighter.
Post by: Pale on September 24, 2007, 06:06:01 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 24, 2007, 06:22:40 AM
Though, the fact that they call it "Smashville" suggests that it'll be its own town and not the one in your AC game.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 24, 2007, 07:05:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale
It would be infinitely cool if the AC human was based off your Mii and they announced it at the same time as announcing the same feature in the Animal Crossing Wii game.
Give Bill credit for that one. He's been saying that the Mii character can also represent the AC franchise. Also, I remember a while back an interview that said that AC Wii would be using the Miis. It simply makes sense.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 24, 2007, 07:10:59 AM
It would be a bizarre contrast to have AC human bodies with Mii heads fighting in the foreground but the classic AC human in the background.
I too expect the new AC to use Miis, but I think this stage is more a celebration of the older AC games.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 24, 2007, 07:15:39 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I doubt that will happen because we've already seen the "standard" AC human in the stage.
It would be a bizarre contrast to have AC human bodies with Mii heads fighting in the foreground but the classic AC human in the background.
I too expect the new AC to use Miis, but I think this stage is more a celebration of the older AC games.
Either way, the Mii character is more than a shoe in to appear in Brawl.
Speaking of which, when they do a Mii trophy will they use a generic Mii to represent the whole concept or will they step it up a notch and have the trophy feature your own Mii?
Post by: EasyCure on September 24, 2007, 07:32:49 AM
Quote
Coming from my CAG post:
Wow. No one has commented yet that all the screenshots show Gamecube buttons?
Green A, red B, yellow C stick, bean buttons...
actually i did on the page before you made that post, it just got lost int he shuffle.
really though, its not much to talk about, i was just pointing it out. They just really like using the gc controllers i guess
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 24, 2007, 07:44:41 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Speaking of which, when they do a Mii trophy will they use a generic Mii to represent the whole concept or will they step it up a notch and have the trophy feature your own Mii?
The problem with this is how do they know who "your" Mii is?
I believe you choose Mii faces for SSBB to go with your name so I can see how they'd use that in game if there is a Mii character, but how they'd do it for trophies is an odd question. I bet they'd just have some generic Miis.
Post by: EasyCure on September 24, 2007, 07:54:16 AM
Post by: Strell on September 24, 2007, 07:59:11 AM
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Originally posted by: EasyCure
actually i did on the page before you made that post, it just got lost int he shuffle.
really though, its not much to talk about, i was just pointing it out. They just really like using the gc controllers i guess
Really? Crap. I scanned all the previous posts but I was doing it really quickly, as I am at work and try to be quick and stealthy in my postings.
Also they can't use a Reggie Mii, because he would win so hard the Wii would turn black, catch on fire, break, and then offer itself up to the greatness of all holy Reggie.
Also, Reggie flies like Powdered Toast Man. But harder.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 24, 2007, 08:10:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I believe you choose Mii faces for SSBB to go with your name so I can see how they'd use that in game if there is a Mii character, but how they'd do it for trophies is an odd question. I bet they'd just have some generic Miis.
I'm totally on the "Iwata, Miyamoto, and Reggie Mii" bandwagon...Throw Sakurai in there too!
Post by: EasyCure on September 24, 2007, 08:24:03 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I believe you choose Mii faces for SSBB to go with your name so I can see how they'd use that in game if there is a Mii character, but how they'd do it for trophies is an odd question. I bet they'd just have some generic Miis.
I'm totally on the "Iwata, Miyamoto, and Reggie Mii" bandwagon...Throw Sakurai in there too!
of course! how could i forget Sakurai, stupid stupid stupid.
i picture them in a "kirby hat" type pose where their all in some sort of action stance. that would be hilarious
oh and @ strell = post of the month! you've got my nomination. what makes it even funnier is that when i read your post and see that avatar, in my head you sound like that guy from the commercial
Post by: Dryden on September 24, 2007, 09:48:20 AM
I've given more thought to Mii characters as playable fighters - I can't imagine that they wouldn't be unlocked from the start. Unlocking Miis means unlocking the menu to set up Miis to nametags, etc. To hide that menu at first and make it come up later seems counterintuitive.
I'm loving the daily updates though, and today was no exception - I'm really happy that stickers are not replacing the awesomeness of hundreds of trophies. But what I'm really blown away by is the sheer depth of the game. Ten extra characters added to the roster including the three pokemon, (that we know of), stickers, trophies, more music, new stages, a full-fledged one player mode, online modes, and more still being announced...
It's going to be just like Melee - a top seller and system seller for the next five years.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 24, 2007, 09:54:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: pap64
Speaking of which, when they do a Mii trophy will they use a generic Mii to represent the whole concept or will they step it up a notch and have the trophy feature your own Mii?
The problem with this is how do they know who "your" Mii is?
I believe you choose Mii faces for SSBB to go with your name so I can see how they'd use that in game if there is a Mii character, but how they'd do it for trophies is an odd question. I bet they'd just have some generic Miis.
First of all, I already mentioned that in order to play as your Mii you assign a Mii to your profile.
Second, I said explain the CONCEPT, not the character itself.
Like for example...
Mii
Mii is perhaps the most personalized Nintendo character ever! It is an universal game avatar which has reached worldwide sensation thanks to its simple yet very charismatic and fun appeal. The Mii also rivals Mario when it comes to being a Jack of all trades character. Whether it be playing sports, being fit or just having fun the Mii can do it all!
Wii - Wii Sports (2006)
Like that...
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 24, 2007, 08:06:46 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 24, 2007, 08:12:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Aw, Diddy's Final Smash doesn't involve music...His taunt better be boombox-related...
Since Mashiro has mysteriously vanished, let me take his spot
OMG this final Smash is so cool, this game will be the best game in the universe, I mean Diddy Kong has guns!
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 25, 2007, 04:44:18 AM
So far, the only updates I'm glad I stayed up until 3AM for (EST) were the Pokemans Trainer and Smashville. Everything else really wasn't worth losing any sleep over, although Pit's story intro was pretty damn cool.
Post by: Pale on September 25, 2007, 05:12:24 AM
Post by: Louieturkey on September 25, 2007, 05:39:59 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 25, 2007, 05:51:25 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale
I don't know how all of you guys stay up every night just to check these out. Don't you work or go to school? =P
Well, actually, I tend to WAKE UP at 3, not stay up 'til then...I don't sleep too well these days... =\
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 25, 2007, 06:55:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale
I don't know how all of you guys stay up every night just to check these out. Don't you work or go to school? =P
In my case I go to bed early of work/school, but I wake up at around 4:00 AM to briefly check the update, then go back to bed right away.
Post by: that Baby guy on September 25, 2007, 06:57:52 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 25, 2007, 07:10:57 AM
I work two jobs, but the thought of something amazing showing up was tempting enough to keep me up late (combined with my natural propensity to stay up late anyway).
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 25, 2007, 07:56:56 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I'm not saying that the smash blog isn't useful, just that it's not worth staying up late over.
I work two jobs, but the thought of something amazing showing up was tempting enough to keep me up late (combined with my natural propensity to stay up late anyway).
I always kept saying that the updates should be more worthwhile, in short they should make multiple updates in a day and screw the "its a surprise!" belief. If some of us are willing to lose sleep over the updates they should make it our worthwhile and talk about many things in one day, even if it means delaying the update.
The Snake update was a good one because the character AND his moves were introduced along with the infamous music update.
Like I said, Brawl is turning out to be a HUGE game so there will ALWAYS be something to talk about so why ration the updates?
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 25, 2007, 08:50:19 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 25, 2007, 08:56:31 AM
Post by: Crimm on September 25, 2007, 09:00:38 AM
Also, it seems they're pulling Diddy from DK64. Does that mean we will be blessed/cursed with his guitar as a taunt?
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 25, 2007, 10:29:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Crimm
I stay up late anyway, so it's just something to do.
Also, it seems they're pulling Diddy from DK64. Does that mean we will be blessed/cursed with his guitar as a taunt?
It means we'll have to listen to that crime against music known as the DK Rap again.
Post by: IceCold on September 25, 2007, 12:02:16 PM
QuoteWhat about the WiFi update?
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I'm glad I stopped staying up for updates.
So far, the only updates I'm glad I stayed up until 3AM for (EST) were the Pokemans Trainer and Smashville. Everything else really wasn't worth losing any sleep over, although Pit's story intro was pretty damn cool.
Post by: Mikintosh on September 25, 2007, 12:59:19 PM
There are definately updates that aren't too exciting to me, at least (I wasn't exactly jumping up and down in anticipation over how Diddy's Peanut Gun was going to be used), but I'm of the opinion that we're lucky we're getting this at all, when games like Super Mario Galaxy get...what, a couple screenshots a month? Granted, Brawl has much more varied content, but still.
One item a night is enough, especially since there's gonna be another 40 or so updates before the game comes out. Though I could do for more musicks; there hasn't been any from the Mario series (not counting Yoshi), and that ain't right, son.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 25, 2007, 01:20:19 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 25, 2007, 01:57:28 PM
So even though we have about 40 updates before the games released in America, there's probobly 100 more updates before it's released in Europe. Now I'm sure we'll see all the general info and who all the starters will be before the American release but a lot of other info will still be revealed in the daily updates long after the American launch since the rest of the world will still be waiting for the game as well.
Post by: HadesGigas on September 25, 2007, 05:49:24 PM
Post by: Sarail on September 25, 2007, 08:08:57 PM
Post by: Crimm on September 25, 2007, 08:12:38 PM
Just wow.
GRAARR!
What's the big idea treatin' me like an item, huh?
If I could move around on my own? Join this here brawl? Oooh, look out!
Lemme tell ya about Assist Trophies, all right?
They're items that call up who knows what.
Most of the time, it's some good egg who's gonna help you lay down the law.
That's a good thing. Like a nice, shiny new pick.
Waitin' to see who shows up will get that ticker pumpin', believe you me.
But that ain't what happens when I'm on the job, get me?
Kirby....
Pikachu....
You'd be runnin' home to Mama!
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 25, 2007, 08:13:20 PM
I kinda expected him as an assist trophy so I'm not honestly surprised. It really sucks that he even hints about "joining the brawl" to boot.
I guess Bowser will stay my main after all.
This will keep me from having to check the updates anymore, really. He was pretty much the last Nintendo character I gave a crap about.
Pap, PM me if they announce Sonic.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 25, 2007, 08:16:45 PM
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Post by: Mashiro on September 26, 2007, 12:59:44 AM
2) I never said best update ever to an assist trophy.
fin
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 26, 2007, 01:45:11 AM
And I would rather Donkey Kong be about his more modern games and Diddy Kong hark back to the older series which Donkey Kong 64 is a part of.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 26, 2007, 04:03:30 AM
As for Diddy's moves coming from DK64, I haven't played any recent DK games, but I think it makes sense because, really, what other moves does he have? They could have invented all-new moves for him, but I think it's cool that they used some existing stuff instead.
Mr. Resetti is awesome.
Post by: Louieturkey on September 26, 2007, 04:32:00 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 26, 2007, 06:15:37 AM
I'm guessing you could just swap costumes to change gender and appearance like you usually do with color schemes.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 26, 2007, 07:28:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I now find myself hoping the AC human is, in fact, the playable character for AC, mainly because it'll piss off so many AC-haters.
I'm guessing you could just swap costumes to change gender and appearance like you usually do with color schemes.
The only explanation left as to why they haven't shown the character off is because the character could be heavily linked to AC Wii and want to keep him or her a surprise for now.
With Resetti downgraded to an assist trophy and a great deal of the AC characters being spectators on the stage the only thing left is the human character.
If nothing is confirmed then simply put the creators don't believe that AC fits in the SSB universe well.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 26, 2007, 08:22:09 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 26, 2007, 08:25:42 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 26, 2007, 08:35:38 AM
In a way, I'd almost rather not have the assist trophies because every (and I mean EVERY) time a character we thought should be playable pops up, we're going to think, "Sh*t, if only ______ had been playable instead..."
Lyndis, Goroh, Deoxys, Resetti...I'm sure there will be plenty more once the full list is revealed. It also sucks doubly for Resetti because one of his lines actually suggests that he SHOULD be fighting. That's a kick in the teeth if I ever saw one.
Yeah, I know "Better this than nothing, etc." but I guarantee that after the 30th time you see ________ come out of an assist trophy, the novelty will have worn off but the regret of them not being playable will likely still be there.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 26, 2007, 08:36:17 AM
How I would do it is have the 3 agents jump into the background and just dance in the background.
The music for the stage changes into music with generic voices for the singers and they sing and dance.
Granting you either Stronger attacks, or a slow replenishing of yourself.
However sometimes you get agents that are poor dancers and singers and the the song sounds really screwed up and they trip and fall during dancing.
When you get this team your attacks are weaker or your damage percent slowly goes up instead of down.
Mr. Resetti is pretty funny. I bet he stops the screen from scrolling, so that he is always center stage. As such he becomes a strange Assist Trophy sorta like The Devil, but not as extreme.
Post by: IceCold on September 26, 2007, 09:24:40 AM
QuoteI don't agree with you at the moment, but if Olimar is shown to be an assist trophy, I'm sending the fire ants on express service..
In a way, I'd almost rather not have the assist trophies because every (and I mean EVERY) time a character we thought should be playable pops up, we're going to think, "Sh*t, if only ______ had been playable instead..."
Post by: Mikintosh on September 26, 2007, 09:46:15 AM
That said, yeah, Olimar should be playable, since I think Miyamoto would smile upon that.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 26, 2007, 10:17:47 AM
The reality is you can only have a limited number of players in the game. So with Assist trophies it means that Nintendo is able to bring more characters for the fans to see in the game, and use them in a unique and fun way.
I would rather see a character as an assist trophy than not at all...and that is really the important aspect to remember about the ATs.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 26, 2007, 10:30:54 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold I don't agree with you at the moment, but if Olimar is shown to be an assist trophy, I'm sending the fire ants on express service..
And if he pops out, tosses a few Pikmin at people and then vanishes...
I suspect that I might wind up shutting ATs off because every time Resetti or the EBA come up, I'll think about how badly it sucks that they weren't playable. I'll probably get over it if Sonic is in the game, but unless there's at least ONE character who I'll absolutely love to play as, I'll still finger my fire ant shipping boxes every time an AT I wanted as playable pops up.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 26, 2007, 11:27:58 AM
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Originally posted by: Mikintosh
C'mon, they weren't going to make Mr. Resetti and the other assist trophies playable, or they would've done so. It's not a "missed opportunity"; they obviously just thought they wouldn't make strong enough playable characters. Let's not get all emotional about this, a'ight?
That said, yeah, Olimar should be playable, since I think Miyamoto would smile upon that.
And what if he's just an assist trophy...
To ask to not get emotional over the trophies would be to stop loving our favorite characters all together. One of the great things about SSB is the high nostalgia factor that the characters, trophies, stages, items and music pieces emit. Its hard NOT to get emotional when you see your character see strut his or her stuff in the game. So seeing a favorite character being reduced to just an assist when you know he or she can do MORE can be grating and even annoying.
I agree that not all characters are good enough to be playable, but Goroh, Lyn and Resetti had more than enough power to be in the game. And before you say "but they don't have enough moves!" remember that they created some moves for Fox and Falcon.
Post by: HadesGigas on September 26, 2007, 11:28:21 AM
EBA would suck too. Olimar would be pretty likely to suck as well.
Lyn and Goroh... more sword people, who needs 'em?
Post by: LuigiHann on September 26, 2007, 11:32:02 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 26, 2007, 12:14:31 PM
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Originally posted by: HadesGigas
What the hell would Resetti do as a playable character? He doesn't even leave the ground ever.
EBA would suck too. Olimar would be pretty likely to suck as well.
Lyn and Goroh... more sword people, who needs 'em?
Using that logic ALL the characters in SSB suck...
FYI, Mr. Resetti DOES leave the ground. On a rare occasion he will be drinking coffee at the museum. He also appeared out of the ground in the AC movie.
As for his moves, well, he has a giant pick axe that LOVES to wield around in an angry flurry. Combine that with some punch and kick attacks and jumps and you have a character!
Hell, I even came up with a final smash for him. When he grabs a smash ball he gets so, so angry that he yells "THAT'S IT! I HAD ENOUGH! I WILL ERASE ALL THE GAME DATA IN THIS WII! AND I'LL DO IT!
1...
2...
...THREE!!!!!"
The screen then fades to black and stays that way for a couple of seconds. Then it goes back on and all fighters will have received a substantial amount of damage and be dizzy.
As for EBA they can turn their dance moves into attacks. Have you even seen some of their moves? Quoting the old DoA 3 commercial; "they kick HIGH!".
If I was the game's director I would turn them into capoiera (sp?) like characters. Their final smash would consist of gathering the energy from thousands of cheering fans and launching a massive energy beam that could hit all characters and even destroy part of the stage, just like in the EBA ending.
Finally, if they came up with moves for Falcon I'm sure they could've made some up for Goroh, even if he was a sword user. And Lyn, she's from FE, I'm sure she had plenty of attacks they could've used.
So the "the characters suck" argument is more like a trolling comment rather than a useful thing to use in a discussion.
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 26, 2007, 12:16:24 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
I agree that not all characters are good enough to be playable, but Goroh, Lyn and Resetti had more than enough power to be in the game. And before you say "but they don't have enough moves!" remember that they created some moves for Fox and Falcon.
Not really because there's other characters that are more important to each series then those three. Even though Goroh is Captain Falcons rival from the original game, ever since F-Zero X Black Shadow has played a much bigger role in each game. That's why if there's another F-Zero character it'll be Black Shadow because he's played the biggest role in the series behind only Falcon.
Lyn never had a chance because she's the least important of the three Lords from FE7. If a character from that game would be playable it'd be either Eliwood or Hector since they had the biggest role
And Resetti didn't have much of a chance either since Tom Nook and K.K Slider are more important character then he is. Not to mention the whole Mii idea for an Animal Crossing character would probobly happen before they made Resetti playable.
People have to remember the one the thing that gets characters in is there importance to the series their in. The most important characters have been the ones to make it in because they're the most popular and reconizable to their series. This is why the only non popular unknown characters have been from older franchises like Ice Climbers, and even in that case, the Ice Climbers are the most important characters to that series.
This is why someone like Captain Olimar still has a chance since he's the most important character to the Pikmin series. If they want Pikmin to be represented then Captain Olimar will be the character chosen. But this is why characters from series that are already represented like Lyn didn't have much of a chance since they are other characters much more important to the series then they are.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 26, 2007, 12:42:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
People have to remember the one the thing that gets characters in is there importance to the series their in. The most important characters have been the ones to make it in because they're the most popular and reconizable to their series.
Actually, I think it's whoever they hell they feel like adding. The Mr G&W they used in the game isn't even the lead G&W character: the actual G&W had eyes while the generic passerby people in the game look like the G&W featured in SSBM.
But seriously, I expect Sakurai to do whatever he wants. If there's talk of Muddy Mole being added as playable, then I'm convinced that absolutely anything is fair game.
Post by: JonLeung on September 26, 2007, 01:21:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherIf there's talk of Muddy Mole being added as playable, then I'm convinced that absolutely anything is fair game.
LOL, and I keep joking that no one remembers Mole Mania.
I also don't think it's a matter of "importance" or "popularity/obscurity" though there certainly must be some degree of value to adding a particular character since they can't add them all. Mr. Game & Watch was a surprise at the time in Melee, but I'm sure they wanted a wacky character, and even if all the generic Game & Watch characters were never identified as a single person before, there's still some throwback to the pre-NES era so there's some historical value or something there. The Fire Emblem characters brought interest in the series outside of Japan (if I remember correctly Roy was in a Fire Emblem game not even released in Japan yet). The Ice Climbers...well, maybe they were experimenting with having tag team characters and they liked it enough to keep in there, certainly they don't have a legion of fans like Pit of Kid Icarus.
But Muddy Mole from Mole Mania? I don't see him as anything beyond a trophy, and not even an assist trophy. There are no Mole Mania fans and no chance for a sequel.
And Mr. Resetti I don't see as a playable character ever, as some gamers never have the thought to reset an Animal Crossing game. K.K. Slider and Tom Nook have a better chance of being one before him.
I don't get why there are so many Mr. Resetti haters on GoNintendo...
Post by: Mikintosh on September 26, 2007, 01:39:14 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Mikintosh
C'mon, they weren't going to make Mr. Resetti and the other assist trophies playable, or they would've done so. It's not a "missed opportunity"; they obviously just thought they wouldn't make strong enough playable characters. Let's not get all emotional about this, a'ight?
That said, yeah, Olimar should be playable, since I think Miyamoto would smile upon that.
And what if he's just an assist trophy...
To ask to not get emotional over the trophies would be to stop loving our favorite characters all together. One of the great things about SSB is the high nostalgia factor that the characters, trophies, stages, items and music pieces emit. Its hard NOT to get emotional when you see your character see strut his or her stuff in the game. So seeing a favorite character being reduced to just an assist when you know he or she can do MORE can be grating and even annoying.
I agree that not all characters are good enough to be playable, but Goroh, Lyn and Resetti had more than enough power to be in the game. And before you say "but they don't have enough moves!" remember that they created some moves for Fox and Falcon.
Yeah, but they had already been playable in their Smash forms (remember 64's on-foot battle mode)? Captain Falcon got in because he's a mascot, but do we really need Goroh, who'd at best be a weird hybrid between him and Marth? This isn't King of Fighters, people.
I agree it's cooler to have certain characters as playable rather than assists (Pokemon Trainer I'm glad is being included), but to tear the game down because the development team didn't especially want to fully program obscure characters that wouldn't get 98% of their base excited is kinda not fair to them. We're lucky they're putting this much work into the thing in the first place; let's try to act a little grateful?
Post by: LuigiHann on September 26, 2007, 02:49:30 PM
Post by: stevey on September 26, 2007, 08:08:18 PM
Post by: Crimm on September 26, 2007, 08:42:45 PM
- 1. Three Pokemon
2. Unsanctioned battle
3. Human targets
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 26, 2007, 10:08:00 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 26, 2007, 10:37:15 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 27, 2007, 02:17:48 AM
Whew...I am so glad they just kept it simple and predictable.
Still, as for a final Smash I really like the quick easy effective ones more than the crazy ones. This and Mario's seem to be the most playable so far. A long range high damaging attack...with a large radius for attack...yes please.
It really puts Diddy Kong's to shame.
Post by: nickmitch on September 27, 2007, 03:30:17 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 27, 2007, 04:16:46 AM
Post by: Strell on September 27, 2007, 04:30:26 AM
Against your mom that is.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 27, 2007, 04:58:43 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 27, 2007, 05:16:09 AM
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Originally posted by: TVman
Yeah, I don't get why some of them seem to suck while others look more effective.
If everyone gets out of the way of the Pokémon Trainer's, it won't be super effective. There's a big advantage in being able to move around and aim your attack, too.
This update cracked me up. It almost makes me want that shirt in the Penny Arcade store.
Post by: Crimm on September 27, 2007, 06:09:16 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 27, 2007, 06:10:08 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Hey You know I was worried that they might do something cool and interesting with the Pokemon Final Smash...like let the trainer call forth a legendary Pokemon or something for an attack
That would have been exceedingly awesome.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 27, 2007, 06:33:15 AM
Post by: HadesGigas on September 27, 2007, 12:04:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Hey You know I was worried that they might do something cool and interesting with the Pokemon Final Smash...like let the trainer call forth a legendary Pokemon or something for an attack.
Whew...I am so glad they just kept it simple and predictable.
What would be the point of that when all the legendary Pokemon are pretty much guarenteed to be in the Pokeballs? I guess you could control them for a short while, but the legendaries tended to have moves that attacked a huge portion of the screen in Melee anyhow.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 27, 2007, 12:06:46 PM
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Originally posted by: HadesGigas
What would be the point of that when all the legendary Pokemon are pretty much guarenteed to be in the Pokeballs? I guess you could control them for a short while, but the legendaries tended to have moves that attacked a huge portion of the screen in Melee anyhow.
Legendaries + control = awesome final smash
3 Pokemans attack = jump over the Pokemans and wait until the attack is finished
Post by: Shecky on September 27, 2007, 04:13:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: HadesGigas
What would be the point of that when all the legendary Pokemon are pretty much guarenteed to be in the Pokeballs? I guess you could control them for a short while, but the legendaries tended to have moves that attacked a huge portion of the screen in Melee anyhow.
Legendaries + control = awesome final smash
3 Pokemans attack = jump over the Pokemans and wait until the attack is finished
This is why they invented something called timing.... l think his final smash is fine, and would provide for a nice entertaining wallop
Post by: nickmitch on September 27, 2007, 05:40:49 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 27, 2007, 05:42:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Shecky
This is why they invented something called timing.... l think his final smash is fine, and would provide for a nice entertaining wallop
We'd have to see how it actually plays out as a final smash and how long it fires for. From the screenshot, it appears as though you can jump over them and be safe, but that may not actually be the case.
But that doesn't change the fact that I think controlling a legendary would be awesome.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 27, 2007, 08:05:45 PM
Ahaha, Sakurai you jerk!
Post by: Arbok on September 27, 2007, 08:06:23 PM
"Actually, you can also play this by yourself against computer opponents, so try it out if you’re so inclined."
Finally, as I only ever got to use Tourney mode once in Melee, as most of the other times I played with friends it would only be a quick match or two.
Post by: IceCold on September 27, 2007, 08:10:05 PM
Also, I wonder if there will be online tournaments..
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 27, 2007, 08:12:27 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 27, 2007, 08:24:33 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
Wait, I thought you could play against computers in Melee Tourney mode?
Also, I wonder if there will be online tournaments..
I seem to recall creating a 32 player tourney with all CPUs at one point...
Post by: Arbok on September 27, 2007, 08:49:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I seem to recall creating a 32 player tourney with all CPUs at one point...
Perhaps it's been there and I have been ignorant all these years...
Post by: Sarail on September 28, 2007, 01:14:28 AM
I'm glad to see it return. Now, if they'll just add in WiFi functionality to the Tourney mode.... that would be great.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 28, 2007, 01:30:03 AM
I hope next week is better...
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 28, 2007, 03:53:13 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on September 28, 2007, 03:57:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
You're a disappointing Assist Trophy! Mr. Resetti is awesome!
Haven't you been reading the thread? Pap thinks Mr Resetti is awesome; he's whining because Resetti won't be a playable character.
Post by: vudu on September 28, 2007, 07:52:17 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
Also, I wonder if there will be online tournaments..
QuoteAm I reading too much into this or is Sakurai hinting at online tournaments?
Of course, if you don’t have a large number of friends, you may not have much need for a tourney.
Still, we’re working seriously to make this mode fun for even those people.
Actually, you can also play this by yourself against computer opponents, so try it out if you’re so inclined.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 28, 2007, 07:56:14 AM
I sure hope they give us a connection meter like in Stikers.
Post by: vudu on September 28, 2007, 08:06:28 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 28, 2007, 08:22:47 AM
Post by: vudu on September 28, 2007, 08:32:08 AM
Besides, you don't have to play with 32 people. I'm sure there will be options for 4, 8 and 16 people at least.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 28, 2007, 10:00:54 AM
I'm saying that getting fighting games to work properly online is immensely difficult due to latency.
Unless you can somehow go through all players in the tournament and approve/deny them based upon latency, then it'll end in laggy, unplayability.
That's all I'm saying. It makes online tournaments immensely impractical due to the fact that a good fight is something that will need to be found on a connection to connection basis and in any tournament where you're scheduled to fight a bunch of people, odds are you'll have at LEAST one match where you're screaming "WTF!?!? COME ON!!! DAMMIT!!!" at the screen because your character is moving with a 3 second delay.
Post by: vudu on September 28, 2007, 10:19:51 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 28, 2007, 11:37:57 AM
People probably wouldn't bitch about the lack of an online tournament mode (or bitch very little) but they'll certainly bitch up a storm about the inclusion of a laggy, unplayable online tournament mode.
Post by: vudu on September 28, 2007, 12:17:42 PM
Post by: Mikintosh on September 28, 2007, 02:01:49 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 28, 2007, 03:24:28 PM
And just so I'm clear on this, I expect that each unique person that I play with on SSBB will, JUST like Mario Strikers, only be feasible if I can accept or reject the connection based on the quality of the connection I have to them. Without this, I'll be connecting to people who may be close enough to the person hosting the tournament that they don't experience lag and I'm close enough to the person hosting that I don't experience lag, but when you combine the two distances, you get a 1.5 second delay on everything, meaning that the whole point of having a "tournament" (which is determine who is the best out of X number of people) has just gone straight out the window because the odds that every person you play against in that tournament having an acceptable connection are pretty slim.
Remember that Sakurai did not include an online ladder/ranking system for SSB online for a REASON, and that reason probably stems from the fact that taking fighting games online is generally unreliable and SSBB will, as far as I know, be the very first to attempt to do so with four players.
Online will only work in situations where the two connecting Wiis can agree to connect because the connectivity between them is good enough. That goes out the window when I'm pitted against a bunch of people I didn't pick to fight. What am I supposed to do? Reject the next guy up because his connection sucks?
Nintendo wouldn't be likely to spend the time and manhours on something which just cannot work with latency issues and is more likely to be bitched about than appreciated.
This isn't negativity. This is approaching the concept from a design standpoint and pointing out why it's a bad idea to get your hopes up for it.
Post by: Adrock on September 28, 2007, 06:24:04 PM
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If Nintendo includes a mode in the game which is highly likely to be bitched about incessantly, it's going to cause them headaches and unneeded headaches at that...
Not sure that's what would stop them. They'll put it in if it works and not if it doesn't. That's generally how it works with their games. I remember an interview some 5-6 years ago when someone at Retro said they had to fight Miyamoto to include the morphball in Metroid Prime to which Miyamoto told them that if they could make it work, he'd ok it. Imagine Metroid without the morphball....
From what I've seen Nintendo is okay with their fans bitching, but their not okay with putting out a sh*tty product. Of course, that only really applies to Nintendo's 1st and 2nd party games, otherwise their franchises farmed out to 3rd party developers wouldn't be so hit-or-miss. I'm looking at you, Wario: Master of Disguise......
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 28, 2007, 07:47:20 PM
And it won't work properly. Like I said before, it is absolutely necessary to accept/reject every other Wii you attempt to play against, otherwise you'll be facing connections which will ensure that the game is unplayable, and when the game is unplayable, there's no test of skill left which is the raison d'etre of tournaments in the first place.
I guess it could still be in there, but you'd need to ensure that all X players can connect to each other without any latency issues beforehand. If you have ONE guy who's too far away, it'll throw the entire tournament off because players will be lagged out when they fight against him.
Post by: Louieturkey on September 30, 2007, 08:06:11 PM
Mother 3 for the US confirmed!!!!
Post by: Arbok on September 30, 2007, 08:06:30 PM
Post by: stevey on September 30, 2007, 08:06:49 PM
beating by a few second >.<
Post by: Arbok on September 30, 2007, 08:09:29 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 30, 2007, 08:09:45 PM
I'd lead toward yes, just as I lean toward Ike axing Marth.
Post by: that Baby guy on September 30, 2007, 08:13:14 PM
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Is it possible he could surpass even Ness?!
That's too ambiguous to say whether he's out or not. My bets: Ness, Cpt. Falcon, Jigglypuff, and Luigi are all unlockable, and therefore, we won't see them until after the game is released.
The same goes for any of Melee's unlocks, too.
Post by: Arbok on September 30, 2007, 08:13:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Does this mean Ness has been axed?
I'd lead toward yes, just as I lean toward Ike axing Marth.
Ike does not look to play anything like Marth, so I can't see them just tossing out the latter. The fact that there are Japan only characters in the game would indicate to me that Marth is probably a lock to return, as that was the only thing holding him back.
As for Ness, I will also say he's probably back as well going from this comment:
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While he is timid in nature, he fights splendidly. Is it possible he can surpass even Ness?!
EDIT: Damn, thatguy is too fast...
Post by: Sarail on September 30, 2007, 08:13:47 PM
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Of course, I don't know what would substitute for the three Paula attacks he has.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 30, 2007, 08:46:09 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 30, 2007, 09:07:38 PM
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So, will this prompt Nintendo to release Mother 3 around the world?
That was my first reaction. Let's hope it gets the Fire Emblem treatment.
Post by: Adrock on September 30, 2007, 09:20:36 PM
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So much for all that "no Japan only characters" talk that went on before hand...
Sigh..... I remember warning against putting too much stake into what developers say. Not that their liars or anything, but unless they're advised not say something, they're kind of just talking. That and the possibility of simply changing their minds.
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So, will this prompt Nintendo to release Mother 3 around the world?
If Nintendo was that smart we would have already played it by now....... They'll probably just repackage it as a DS game if anything and if that's the case, we better damn well get something else for the inconvenience. I'd say all is forgiven if they just packaged Mother 3 with ports of the 1st two. I'm willing to let bygones be bygones if I get some freebies.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 30, 2007, 09:24:37 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 30, 2007, 09:41:30 PM
I do think Ness is still in the game, as Sakurai doesn't outright say Ness has been replaced...
(Actually, it'd be interesting if Ness was unlockable once again...)
Post by: Adrock on September 30, 2007, 09:48:11 PM
EDIT: Then again, it made sense to bring Mother 3 to the US and that didn't happen.....
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 30, 2007, 10:10:30 PM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on September 30, 2007, 10:38:24 PM
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Wait, wasn't there some kind of Sakurai quote that said all the characters from the original game were definitely in? So why are we now worried that Ness is out?
Well I really don't think that Ness and Lucas would both be open from the onset...
Post by: Michael8983 on October 01, 2007, 12:32:52 AM
Personally I have no problem with clones if it means a HUGE roster.
I mean would you rather have 30 entirely unique characters or 30 entirely unique characters with 20 clones thrown in to make it 50.
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 01, 2007, 12:35:18 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 01, 2007, 01:47:54 AM
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Ness and Lucas are the Ryu and Ken of Smash Bros.
Personally I have no problem with clones if it means a HUGE roster.
I mean would you rather have 30 entirely unique characters or 30 entirely unique characters with 20 clones thrown in to make it 50.
DEFINITELY 30 UNIQUE CHARACTERS!
I'm sorry, but the clones in Melee annoyed me as many of them simply didn't make sense at all. I don't mind a couple of clone characters but having half of the selection being clones that would be pushing it.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 01, 2007, 01:48:47 AM
Also, I don't know why you think Lucas and Ness have to play the same in the game, since they have similar powers in the game. I am expecting completely different attacks, and I believe one of those photos points out to that in the update.
Post by: Ceric on October 01, 2007, 02:04:08 AM
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I'd bet my house that Ness is gone. There wont be two characters from a niche franchise that isn't even out everywhere in the world, plus Lucas looks exactly the same as Ness and has the same attacks. Someone should inform Sakurai that millions of people are going to be playing this game in non-Japan countries (they exist), wondering who the hell is this stupid kid.
Where do you live I'm in the home market right now with a baby on the way and all.
On the Ryu and Ken thing. They played fairly different and the cloning thing was explained by being of the same school. I think they did a good job of that.
Post by: LuigiHann on October 01, 2007, 02:18:30 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
There wont be two characters from a niche franchise that isn't even out everywhere in the world, plus Lucas looks exactly the same as Ness and has the same attacks. Someone should inform Sakurai that millions of people are going to be playing this game in non-Japan countries (they exist), wondering who the hell is this stupid kid.
You just described Marth and Roy from SSBM. Just throwin' that out there.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 01, 2007, 03:23:15 AM
I don't mind clones, but I'd like them to take up less than 20% of the roster. Melee was about the limit for me.
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 01, 2007, 03:56:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
There wont be two characters from a niche franchise that isn't even out everywhere in the world, plus Lucas looks exactly the same as Ness and has the same attacks. Someone should inform Sakurai that millions of people are going to be playing this game in non-Japan countries (they exist), wondering who the hell is this stupid kid.
You just described Marth and Roy from SSBM. Just throwin' that out there.
Not to mention, that SSB gives these small franchises huge exposure. When people play with these characters they will naturally want to know where they all come from. When enough people are knowledgeable about the character origins, Nintendo can release a game like Mother 3, and actually sell through tons of copies just based on people's love for the characters they play as in SSB.
Post by: Caterkiller on October 01, 2007, 05:04:20 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 01, 2007, 05:06:02 AM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHannQuote
Originally posted by: Mario
There wont be two characters from a niche franchise that isn't even out everywhere in the world, plus Lucas looks exactly the same as Ness and has the same attacks. Someone should inform Sakurai that millions of people are going to be playing this game in non-Japan countries (they exist), wondering who the hell is this stupid kid.
You just described Marth and Roy from SSBM. Just throwin' that out there.
Yes, but Sakurai has already expressed his distaste with clones this time around.
Post by: Arbok on October 01, 2007, 05:20:09 AM
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 01, 2007, 11:25:28 AM
But when the Wii became such a huge success maybe Nintendo told Sakurai he can have all the time in the world to finish the game. Which might explain why he said to expect only 2-player Online at E3 2006 because that's all they could do before an early 2007 release but being given extra time allowed for them to get 4-player working right.
Which could be the same thing here where being given extra time has allowed Sakurai to keep nearly all of the characters from Melee as well as throw in a Japan only character like Lucas since they'll have enough new character now to allow for something like this to happen.
Now everything I said is just my theory but it is something to think about because we have no idea what Sakurai and Nintendo were planning with this game back when he made all his comments in June 2006 and so we shouldn't put too much faith in those anymore.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 01, 2007, 12:28:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
True, but it's always more exciting to unlock someone to find that they have a whole new move set to master, rather than getting Falco and being all "Well wow, it's a slower Fox with stronger attacks..."
Quoted for great truth, justice and the American way!
Post by: JonLeung on October 01, 2007, 12:52:30 PM
Yeah, I played five minutes of Mother 3 and didn't understand a word of it. All I remember is kicking a T-Rex a few times.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 01, 2007, 02:32:40 PM
Post by: Sessha on October 01, 2007, 02:50:16 PM
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Does Lucas keep his DINOSAUR KICK?
Yeah, I played five minutes of Mother 3 and didn't understand a word of it. All I remember is kicking a T-Rex a few times.
If your talking about the very beginning then I think at that part you were being taught how to run.
Kumatora looks better with Duster Bill
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 01, 2007, 02:59:22 PM
Post by: EasyCure on October 01, 2007, 03:10:02 PM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
As much as I might bitch now about wanting all unique characters, I can't help but see myself not caring once I start playing this bad boy. Cuz really, they could of rehashed Melee and simply stuck an online mode to it, and I still would of shoved $50 down Nintendo's g-string pocket.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 01, 2007, 04:59:47 PM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
As much as I might bitch now about wanting all unique characters, I can't help but see myself not caring once I start playing this bad boy. Cuz really, they could of rehashed Melee and simply stuck an online mode to it, and I still would of shoved $50 down Nintendo's shirt pocket.
Same for me, except I'd like to see the game balanced bit more.
Kirby and Ness were nailed with the nerf bat when going from SSB64 to Melee and they were nerfed far too hard.
I'd just hope that more time has gone into the testing of the game to ensure the characters have gone through more balance testing.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 01, 2007, 05:17:12 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 01, 2007, 05:25:45 PM
I'd give nearly all of the characters back their SSB64 status if I had the choice (except DK).
Post by: Mashiro on October 01, 2007, 05:45:53 PM
Post by: Arbok on October 01, 2007, 06:17:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I'd give nearly all of the characters back their SSB64 status if I had the choice (except DK).
No thanks. Fox got nerfed from the shift to Melee, and he's still top tier. Falcon and Fox simply dominated in the original game.
Post by: Crimm on October 01, 2007, 08:15:08 PM
Snake videos are so win. Jesus, I laughed my ass off at the Wario one.
Post by: Adrock on October 01, 2007, 08:18:22 PM
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Post by: Darkheart on October 01, 2007, 08:33:24 PM
Snake: It eats things then lays eggs, so it must be a female.
Otacon: Actually no its a he. . .
Another interesting note, in the first video where Snake appears and says "Kept you waiting Huh?" looks like an intro to me, intros confirmed? I guess it could be his taunt?
Snake: Mei Ling Samus just took her clothes off!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 01, 2007, 08:55:03 PM
Sonic also isn't in the game, confirmed.
This'll be the biggest MGS game of the generation and complete waste of MGS4 marketting.
Post by: Adrock on October 01, 2007, 08:58:40 PM
It's pretty cool of Nintendo to go the extra step and get David Hayter and the others to record English dialog for the game. They could've easily just translated the text with the Japanese audio, and called it a day. I would've expected as much anyway.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 01, 2007, 09:52:47 PM
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Snake saying, "You're kidding, right? It's Mario," is quite possibly the best thing I've heard in my life.
Hahahaha, yeah...Great stuff...Glad we got a stage update as well...
Post by: anubis6789 on October 01, 2007, 10:05:33 PM
I hope that the FSA has Snake duck and cover while Liquid strafes the stage in the Hind while Screaming "BROTHER!!!".
or perhaps anything involving Ninja...
or Raiden, that would be awesome just to see the reactions of all the anti-Raiden people.
also, BEST. UPDATE. EVER.
Post by: EasyCure on October 01, 2007, 10:48:47 PM
the update makes it sound like it'll happen on the Shadow Moses level but, when and how? Will it be a random part of classic solo mode (assuming combatants are now random and not stage specific) or will this be something the player can trigger in Brawl mode (like fox calling for backup)?
if the latter this has the potential to take away from the action which i'm worried about
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 01, 2007, 10:53:03 PM
Post by: Mashiro on October 02, 2007, 12:32:09 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 02, 2007, 12:59:39 AM
Now there NEEDS to be a MGS game on the Wii.
This is the best advertising for MGS to Nintendo fans, EVER...
Post by: Shecky on October 02, 2007, 01:22:38 AM
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Another interesting note, in the first video where Snake appears and says "Kept you waiting Huh?" looks like an intro to me, intros confirmed? I guess it could be his taunt?
Looks like an intro specific to the situation of finally meeting up with Mario, as if it's one of the final battles in Snake's "adventure" mode. I'm guessing that's when the per character info comes up too.... ie fight samus, win. Then small cut scene with a miss of a FSA and ZSS... conversation with your team and then back to match structure against ZSS.
Yoshi is also taunting when the spotlight hits him for a hilarious shot.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 02, 2007, 01:26:53 AM
Sakurai was hinting at it, but didn't want to reveal it yet. I think that is very possible.
The talk with about Zero Suit Samus is so funny, and crazy suggestive for a Nintendo game. I love it so much. But, the Wario farting bit is even better.
Post by: Shecky on October 02, 2007, 01:29:46 AM
Post by: SixthAngel on October 02, 2007, 03:10:26 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
DAMMIT!
Now there NEEDS to be a MGS game on the Wii.
This is the best advertising for MGS to Nintendo fans, EVER...
Its also the best advertising of Nintendo to MGS fans, EVER.
Metal Gear won't be coming out for awhile and the fans will take notice of Snake's newest adventure. It will even make them curious of the other characters he is fighting with, after all they had the ps2 last generation and will want to check them out.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 02, 2007, 04:01:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
DAMMIT!
Now there NEEDS to be a MGS game on the Wii.
This is the best advertising for MGS to Nintendo fans, EVER...
Best advertising ever for PS3, now fans will get even more excited for the PS3 game and skip over Smash Brothers to get it.
Post by: nickmitch on October 02, 2007, 04:39:39 AM
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Post by: SixthAngel on October 02, 2007, 05:13:45 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
DAMMIT!
Now there NEEDS to be a MGS game on the Wii.
This is the best advertising for MGS to Nintendo fans, EVER...
Best advertising ever for PS3, now fans will get even more excited for the PS3 game and skip over Smash Brothers to get it.
That doesn't make any sense at all. If it promotes anything it promotes MGS fans to buy Smash Bros so they can play the new game Snake is in as well as see things first like the new Metal Gear that will be in the new MGS as well as SSBB (heavily hinted by Sakurai). The only people it even targets as a ps3 ad are those who already own a Wii. Even without a MGS game this is a win for Nintendo. If they release one for Wii I expect a Triplet Snakes, the original Gamecube (I never played it)plus the last one on PS3.
Post by: Adrock on October 02, 2007, 07:01:17 AM
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If they release one for Wii I expect a Triplet Snakes, the original Gamecube (I never played it)plus the last one on PS3.
Triplet Snakes? God help us if they ever release a game called that... and we'd probably get stuck with Doc Ock's half brother, Solidus Snake.
Maybe the hinted new Metal Gear model is from a brand new Wii exclusive Metal Gear title. Hahahahahaha, yeah, that'll happen.......
Post by: Michael8983 on October 02, 2007, 07:12:06 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 02, 2007, 07:26:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Maybe the hinted new Metal Gear model is from a brand new Wii exclusive Metal Gear title. Hahahahahaha, yeah, that'll happen.......
Metal Gear Ray
And I'd definitely take a spinoff game for the Wii.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 02, 2007, 07:34:54 AM
Will other third party characters get this type of treatment? If the Metal Gear in SSB trailer was awesome, imagine how insane a Sonic and Mario rivalry trailer would be.
In fact, here's how I see it:
Mario is running around in one of the stages. Then a blue blur runs through him and stops, revealing to be Sonic. Then the two size each other other (complete with cool camera angles) and start the Brawl. Then the trailer shows off Sonic and his moves and ends with "Only one shall emerge victorious" (or something cool like that).
With the MGS trailer and videos they have the fanbase hooked. They will catch MILLIONS if they make a big "Mario vs. Sonic" promo.
Post by: Caterkiller on October 02, 2007, 07:50:27 AM
Ok so does this confirm that the shields are back? The ones for blocking I mean. I havn't noticed them until now. At least thats what it appears to be when I see Mario and Snake fighting. Or did you all come to a conclusion about this long ago, and im once again late to the party?
Post by: LuigiHann on October 02, 2007, 08:03:25 AM
I also hope that if they do give Sonic voice acting, they go all the way and get Jaleel White
Post by: Adrock on October 02, 2007, 08:04:31 AM
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Metal Gear Ray
And I'd definitely take a spinoff game for the Wii.
Ugh, you fight like 20 Metal Gear Rays in Metal Gear Solid 2.....
I'd take a spin-off game too, granted they take it seriously and not add card battles or anything. I'm just saying that the likelihood of that happening, given Konami's recent track record on Nintendo hardware especially concerning M rated titles, is almost non-existent. Love to be proven wrong though I won't hold my breath.
Post by: Sessha on October 02, 2007, 08:08:23 AM
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Absolute fantastic update! Any Metal Gear or Nintendo fan should be able to enjoy that, and if you can't then man what a barnicle head you must be!
Ok so does this confirm that the shields are back? The ones for blocking I mean. I havn't noticed them until now. At least thats what it appears to be when I see Mario and Snake fighting. Or did you all come to a conclusion about this long ago, and im once again late to the party?
This was confirmed a little while ago when they showed Snake's Special Moves
This is called a Nikita. It’s a remote-controlled missile.
You can control the missile yourself! But since Snake is so focused on controlling the missile, he’s completely defenseless while he does so.
If things get dangerous, press the shield button to stop controlling the missile.
Post by: PaLaDiN on October 02, 2007, 08:26:31 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 02, 2007, 09:51:34 AM
Can't wait to hear his comments on Mr. Game and Watch, or better yet, Sheik.
Snake: Did Zelda just turn into a man!?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 02, 2007, 11:14:43 AM
Also, is anyone else surprised by the content of the codec conversations? I mean...
"Mei Ling, Samus took her clothes off!"
"She's gotten a lot more... Agile."
"I bet if I took off this heavy gear, I could catch her."
"Her loss."
"It lays eggs and throws them right? So it must be a girl."
"Actually it's a he..."
Sexual innuendo and gender confusion? In MY Smash Bros?
Post by: LuigiHann on October 02, 2007, 11:44:48 AM
Post by: IceCold on October 02, 2007, 12:01:53 PM
QuoteI've never liked that part of his moveset. It's a bit too realistic compared to the lighthearted, cartoony violence in Smash Bros.
Snake really can snap necks. It looks like it knocks someone out for a while. Is it a throw or a special?
QuoteWait, where are these?
Also, is anyone else surprised by the content of the codec conversations? I mean...
"Mei Ling, Samus took her clothes off!"
"She's gotten a lot more... Agile."
"I bet if I took off this heavy gear, I could catch her."
"Her loss."
Post by: Mikintosh on October 02, 2007, 12:25:34 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteI've never liked that part of his moveset. It's a bit too realistic compared to the lighthearted, cartoony violence in Smash Bros.
Snake really can snap necks. It looks like it knocks someone out for a while. Is it a throw or a special?
I thought that too from from the initial pictures, but in motion I think the move looks different; it now just looks like Snake's "disabling" somebody, which is probably enough to get past the ESRB.
Sidenote: I could be wrong, but it sounded from the video like they've finally rerecorded Mario's voice clips, which would be good since they're going on a decade old at this point.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 02, 2007, 12:36:32 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteWait, where are these?
Also, is anyone else surprised by the content of the codec conversations? I mean...
"Mei Ling, Samus took her clothes off!"
"She's gotten a lot more... Agile."
"I bet if I took off this heavy gear, I could catch her."
"Her loss."
In the Samus clip at the bottom of the the Shadow Moses update... =)
Post by: IceCold on October 02, 2007, 01:08:57 PM
I wonder why they didn't include them.
Post by: JonLeung on October 02, 2007, 01:30:34 PM
Not that I'm complaining. I'm just wondering. It's like, the only known third-party character so far from a series that hasn't had its latest games on a Nintendo series, and one of the two series that anybody at all cares about a PS3 for, gets mega-attention on those particular days.
Post by: EasyCure on October 02, 2007, 04:41:42 PM
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My guess is that a random one will pop up at the very beginning of the fight...
So it'll be as annoying as all the normal codec messages (the second time thru)
they sure did recreate the metal gear experience!But seriously this will get annoying on similar player “classic” mode if you can't skip it. It most likely won't be in Adventure mode since we might not be fighting playable characters.
and this just can't be in brawl mode, it just can't
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 02, 2007, 06:43:30 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteI've never liked that part of his moveset. It's a bit too realistic compared to the lighthearted, cartoony violence in Smash Bros.
Snake really can snap necks. It looks like it knocks someone out for a while. Is it a throw or a special?
I thought that too from from the initial pictures, but in motion I think the move looks different; it now just looks like Snake's "disabling" somebody, which is probably enough to get past the ESRB.
Nope. It's a full-on neck-bender.
I'd hate to see the lawsuit which ensues if some kid impersonates Snake's move on his little brother. This is a T-rated game, after all.
Post by: anubis6789 on October 02, 2007, 07:48:42 PM
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This is a T-rated game, after all.
Or is it?
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Whoa... wait a second! They didn't release this on the UK & Ireland update.. I usually check that version of the site (Canadian spelling FTW) so I didn't see the last few videos until now.
I wonder why they didn't include them.
Me too. And just to put it out there the Codec conversations also do not appear on any of the other European pages.
I wonder if the third Metal Gear eluded to appear in the stage will be the actual Metal Gear in MGS4, seeing as how the GECKOs are not real Metal Gears. It would be mighty interesting if the MGS4 Metal Gear's first appearance is made in SSBB
I also think that the little Snake promo movie confirms the character intros, with Snake's intro appearing to be a malfunctioning stealth suit.
Although every time I get my hopes up about character intros returning they get dashed in a few days so I do not know why I get excited.
Post by: Mikintosh on October 02, 2007, 07:55:08 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteI've never liked that part of his moveset. It's a bit too realistic compared to the lighthearted, cartoony violence in Smash Bros.
Snake really can snap necks. It looks like it knocks someone out for a while. Is it a throw or a special?
I thought that too from from the initial pictures, but in motion I think the move looks different; it now just looks like Snake's "disabling" somebody, which is probably enough to get past the ESRB.
Nope. It's a full-on neck-bender.
I'd hate to see the lawsuit which ensues if some kid impersonates Snake's move on his little brother. This is a T-rated game, after all.
Well, I know it's still the same attack; I'm saying that the way it's animated, it just looks like he's choking him...very violently. If you're not familiar with the concept of breaking peoples' necks in such a manner, then the animation (not a selected screenshot) doesn't provide many details and makes it broad enough so it looks like it'd do what it actually does in-game: knock an opponent for a few seconds. If you are familiar...then you should know better not to try. This ain't wrestling, where all their moves are perfectly clear and quite easy to imitate.
Post by: Arbok on October 02, 2007, 08:00:00 PM
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This is a T-rated game, after all.
Source? Main site still says "TBD", while the other major sites still have the "Rating Pending" for it.
Granted, Melee was T, but we have since gotten the 'E' rating, and I think the ESRB's general stance has loosened up. For example, take this near fatality move from this video, located at the end... and then consider that it's from an upcoming game that's rated 'E':
http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1155084020
Basically, I think there's a large chance Brawl will be rated E this time.
EDIT: as for the update, yeah 8bit Lakitu
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 02, 2007, 10:25:41 PM
Post by: Darkheart on October 03, 2007, 12:15:31 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on October 03, 2007, 01:05:41 AM
Also, when this update showed up in my RSS feed, only labeled "Excitebike," I could assume it wasn't a character, so my first guess was that it'd be a stage. That'd be pretty interesting, eh? An Excite Bike stage?
Post by: Tanookisuit on October 03, 2007, 02:24:11 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherI'd hate to see the lawsuit which ensues if some kid impersonates Snake's move on his little brother. This is a T-rated game, after all.
From what I understand, despite the ubiquity of the two-handed neck-crack in movies and videogames, it's nearly impossible to do in real life.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 03, 2007, 04:03:34 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 03, 2007, 06:24:57 AM
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From what I understand, despite the ubiquity of the two-handed neck-crack in movies and videogames, it's nearly impossible to do in real life.
Doesn't need to be death, necessarily. Just injury.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on October 03, 2007, 12:52:01 PM
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You could also say the same thing about little Billy shooting little Bobby in the face with a luger.
Yes, but games filled with colorful Nintendo characters are a bigger target for this kind of thing because it's expected that children will be playing it due to the content.
I'm not seriously worried about it (it's Nintendo's job to be worried about it, not mine). I just think Snake would have been better off with a basic choke instead of a neck snap or just omitting the movie entirely, since he has enough to go on without the move as it is.
Post by: Crimm on October 03, 2007, 08:16:47 PM
Landmaster, shield, and Sakurai's odd ramblings.
Post by: Adrock on October 03, 2007, 08:22:38 PM
Post by: Crimm on October 03, 2007, 08:46:14 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 03, 2007, 09:09:48 PM
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Kind of an odd choice for a Final Smash. I would've thought it'd be Arwing related.
This is more original, and it allows for random Arwing attacking on the Lylat Cruise or any other Star Fox stage...
(Also, this is my favorite screen humour update ever...There's just something hilarious about Diddy and Lucas dancing on the Landmaster as Zelda just sits there calmly...
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Post by: Spak-Spang on October 04, 2007, 01:26:12 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on October 04, 2007, 03:26:55 AM
I can't wait to try out its law-breaking power for myself.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 04, 2007, 04:16:17 AM
Post by: Strell on October 04, 2007, 06:04:50 AM
I ROL'D
Post by: Ceric on October 04, 2007, 07:27:37 AM
Post by: Crimm on October 04, 2007, 08:41:56 AM
"DON'T RIDE THE TANK!"
Post by: Mikintosh on October 04, 2007, 10:35:35 AM
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I'm not to fond of the vehicles. In particular this one seems to be big enough it would take over 1/3 of the stage, for the stages we've seen. I just don't feel they have a good fit with the core of SSBB. Maybe in the single player or event mode...
It's not gonna be on the stage very long tho, presumably. Snorlax takes up most of the screen in Melee, and it didn't grind the game to a halt.
Post by: LuigiHann on October 04, 2007, 10:44:22 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 04, 2007, 12:05:45 PM
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I wonder if Final Smashes stop moving levels from moving? I'd imagine so, otherwise this would be pretty inconvenient on Donkey Kong's level...
"Try hovering!"
Post by: Mashiro on October 04, 2007, 12:41:15 PM
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I wonder if Final Smashes stop moving levels from moving? I'd imagine so, otherwise this would be pretty inconvenient on Donkey Kong's level...
"Try hovering!"
Lol now if they have Peppy's voice come over and say that for appropriate stages, it'd be one of my fave final smashes =D
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 04, 2007, 08:06:34 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 04, 2007, 08:07:03 PM
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Radcakes, Co-op for Adventure Mode finally confirmed...
What exactly are radcakes?
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 04, 2007, 08:12:57 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on October 04, 2007, 08:14:55 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on October 04, 2007, 08:16:03 PM
Octopi.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 04, 2007, 08:16:52 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 04, 2007, 11:03:47 PM
And then realized that my best friend (and the only one who plays SSB) moved to the other side of the country last month.
so ronery
Post by: Michael8983 on October 05, 2007, 01:42:17 AM
Actually, a more appropriate example would be Kirby's Super Star on the SNES.
It's a shame they're not doing 4P co-op but I imagine that would get too crowded.
Post by: vudu on October 05, 2007, 03:41:11 AM
Post by: Robageejammin on October 05, 2007, 05:43:28 AM
Damnit Sakurai!
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 05, 2007, 06:26:23 AM
1)Co-Op playing is often times more enjoyable for teaching new gamers how to play the game. Or even Vet gamers that just don't get off on VS mode.
2)It extends the value of the Subspace Emissary by making it replayable with friends and with various difficulty levels.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 05, 2007, 06:42:55 AM
Not just for co-op (an idea I had a while back) but perhaps this means that two Nintendo characters will always be journeying together anyway, hence why you can play co-op mode.
SSBB now has online play and a promising single player mode which trains you in how to play online multiplayer.
This, my friends, is the proper equation for a Halo-killer. As much as I hate to admit it, I like Halo's method of having a single player campaign which preps you for the multiplayer and tells a decent story.
If the story mode can provide some blatant Nintendo fanservice, with Pit and Mario teaming up, Link and Yoshi teaming up, etc. then this should be the single player mode which is finally good enough to rival SSB's awesome multiplayer mode.
Post by: Ceric on October 05, 2007, 06:46:58 AM
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"And...There’s a method for powering yourself up as needed to do battle with the Subspace Army—a method that has not been seen before. I’ll explain this in great detail another time."
Damnit Sakurai!
We all know that using the innovation that is the Wii Board the power of dance will power you up. It has been clear since the start.
Post by: Crimm on October 05, 2007, 06:48:03 AM
Post by: Robageejammin on October 05, 2007, 07:14:55 AM
Genius
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 05, 2007, 07:45:08 AM
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Not just for co-op (an idea I had a while back) but perhaps this means that two Nintendo characters will always be journeying together anyway, hence why you can play co-op mode.
Well it definitely looks that way, with groups of two meeting up with each other...(So say, you are a group of two, you meet up with another so you have 4 characters to play as...)
I wonder if unlockable characters have a part in the Adventure Mode, outside of unlocking them that is...
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 05, 2007, 07:51:35 AM
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"If the story mode can provide some blatant Nintendo fanservice, with Pit and Mario teaming up, Link and Yoshi teaming up, etc. then this should be the single player mode which is finally good enough to rival SSB's awesome multiplayer mode."
Genius
I said it because I remembered the picture.
And I'm guessing that characters will be unlocked as you find them in campaign mode.
It would be interesting if you unlocked villain characters by defeating them, or maybe even "corrupted" heroes.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 05, 2007, 07:54:35 AM
Post by: Robageejammin on October 05, 2007, 08:36:08 AM
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea07/modea07_071005c-l.jpg
Not just because Mario's about to get a rocketing air bubble up his butt but because hes actually looking at it. If they add that head and eye turning feature to all the characters, it would make the game so much more convincing to me. One of my only little kinks about Melee was that alot of the characters seemed to have a glazed over kind of look, almost robot like. I noticed it especially with Mario. Im not sure if it was something weird like the size of his pupils or something but he didnt seem to have any emotion. I'm really pleased with the models in brawl so far though, especially Mario. Huge Improvement IMO
A little off topic I know, but was just something that came to mind
Post by: that Baby guy on October 05, 2007, 08:47:41 AM
I was thinking back to our Kriby games, specifically the SNES two, and in both Super Star and Dream Land 3, there was a second player option that featured similar characteristics.
I actually expected either Gooey to return or that Sakurai would create a second player, though, and not have the second player be the back-up for the stage.
Now, I'm going to call it here, but I predict a mode where four players race through an adventure stage to collect power ups hinted at here, then duke it out at the end.
Also, I predict that since characters can gain strength in adventure mode, there will be downloadable new difficulty levels that basically give the computer players a handicap and add in tougher enemies. Also, Co-op will be available to play online, as well. That's my guesses.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 05, 2007, 08:49:31 AM
You've been able to see that in screens for quite a while now! It APPEARS as if your character will "lock on" (with their gaze) at the nearest opponent... =)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 05, 2007, 09:02:39 AM
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BEST...UPDATE...YET!
Not just for co-op (an idea I had a while back) but perhaps this means that two Nintendo characters will always be journeying together anyway, hence why you can play co-op mode.
SSBB now has online play and a promising single player mode which trains you in how to play online multiplayer.
This, my friends, is the proper equation for a Halo-killer. As much as I hate to admit it, I like Halo's method of having a single player campaign which preps you for the multiplayer and tells a decent story.
If the story mode can provide some blatant Nintendo fanservice, with Pit and Mario teaming up, Link and Yoshi teaming up, etc. then this should be the single player mode which is finally good enough to rival SSB's awesome multiplayer mode.
Yeah, the two player mode could end up being a disappoBIG MONKEY SAY WHAT?????
IT'S A MIRACLE!
S_B HAS SAID SOMETHING POSITIVE ABOUT A BRAWL UPDATE!!!!
*Angelic choir
HALLELUJAH!
HALLELUJAH!
HALLELUJAH!
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 05, 2007, 09:04:39 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 05, 2007, 09:12:27 AM
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Yeah, since I didn't have anything negative to say about the SSBB blog updates, I went and rated your blog updates negatively instead.
Uh, what?
Post by: Adrock on October 05, 2007, 09:31:55 AM
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S_B HAS SAID SOMETHING POSITIVE ABOUT A BRAWL UPDATE!!!!
*Angelic choir
I'm surprised he had something positive to say about Adventure Mode. Then again, they did make it multiplayer so it's almost like the comments don't count.
Online co-op seems like a stretch. I have reasons for this opinion, but I have to go to work in about 10 minutes so it'll have to wait. Not that I wouldn't want to see it happen (who wouldn't, really?), I just have to keep up a healthy level of skepticism.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 05, 2007, 09:54:26 AM
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S_B HAS SAID SOMETHING POSITIVE ABOUT A BRAWL UPDATE!!!!
*Angelic choir
I'm surprised he had something positive to say about Adventure Mode. Then again, they did make it multiplayer so it's almost like the comments don't count.
Online co-op seems like a stretch. I have reasons for this opinion, but I have to go to work in about 10 minutes so it'll have to wait. Not that I wouldn't want to see it happen (who wouldn't, really?), I just have to keep up a healthy level of skepticism.
Online co-op would be awesome, but like you said that would be too much. If for some reason it does happen then I'll be stunned.
Post by: EasyCure on October 05, 2007, 11:38:45 AM
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"Not just because Mario's about to get a rocketing air bubble up his butt but because hes actually looking at it. If they add that head and eye turning feature to all the characters, it would make the game so much more convincing to me."
You've been able to see that in screens for quite a while now! It APPEARS as if your character will"lock eyes"... =)
HOW ROMANTIC!
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 05, 2007, 12:28:29 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on October 05, 2007, 12:39:35 PM
Post by: Ceric on October 05, 2007, 03:30:45 PM
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In a "If I don't watch out I'll take a Mr. Saturn to the back of the head" kind of way, maybe!
Stop Throwing me....
Anyway, Smash is setting a bar so high that I don't think any game is going to reach it. Between it and Galaxy... Third parties are just going to be depressed.
Post by: IceCold on October 05, 2007, 05:21:08 PM
Post by: Adrock on October 05, 2007, 10:24:46 PM
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Online co-op would be awesome, but like you said that would be too much. If for some reason it does happen then I'll be stunned.
Well, I think a major hurdle would be the lack of communication between players. How do work together if you can't talk to your teammate/partner? Does that really count as co-op when you take cooperation out of the equation? I just don't see that being much different than having a CPU partner besides a human teammate perhaps being better than a bot in terms of skills.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 06, 2007, 04:06:19 AM
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Online co-op would be awesome, but like you said that would be too much. If for some reason it does happen then I'll be stunned.
Well, I think a major hurdle would be the lack of communication between players. How do work together if you can't talk to your teammate/partner? Does that really count as co-op when you take cooperation out of the equation? I just don't see that being much different than having a CPU partner besides a human teammate perhaps being better than a bot in terms of skills.
Which begs the question how is CO-OP going to work in Battalion Wars Wii? Because in Adventure Mode Brawl it works because you can see what your partner is doing and watch his back...but in BWii you need to actually use strategy to beat the levels.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 06, 2007, 07:47:37 AM
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Online co-op would be awesome, but like you said that would be too much. If for some reason it does happen then I'll be stunned.
Well, I think a major hurdle would be the lack of communication between players. How do work together if you can't talk to your teammate/partner? Does that really count as co-op when you take cooperation out of the equation? I just don't see that being much different than having a CPU partner besides a human teammate perhaps being better than a bot in terms of skills.
SSBB to include voice chat.
Nintendo headset confirmed.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 06, 2007, 07:55:30 AM
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Yeah, since I didn't have anything negative to say about the SSBB blog updates, I went and rated your blog updates negatively instead.
Uh, what?
Heh, but seriously, unlike the Pollyanna-types around here, my praise is a challenge to earn and as such is actually meaningful. That's what sets me apart from people who want to jump on Sakurai's sack when he rocks their world with stickers.
This is good news for both SSB fans and people who were considering giving the game a try but have never owned a SSB game. The adventure mode in the last one was kind of a playful romp down Nintendo memory lane which was nothing more than a mild distraction.
If this one can deliver us into situations where time-honored Nintendo icons team up to defeat a common evil, then as Dirk Temporo so eloquently puts it, we Nintendo fans will return to these forums afterward saying, "I came buckets".
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 06, 2007, 02:06:43 PM
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Yeah, since I didn't have anything negative to say about the SSBB blog updates, I went and rated your blog updates negatively instead.
Uh, what?
Heh, but seriously, unlike the Pollyanna-types around here, my praise is a challenge to earn and as such is actually meaningful. That's what sets me apart from people who want to jump on Sakurai's sack when he rocks their world with stickers.
This is good news for both SSB fans and people who were considering giving the game a try but have never owned a SSB game. The adventure mode in the last one was kind of a playful romp down Nintendo memory lane which was nothing more than a mild distraction.
If this one can deliver us into situations where time-honored Nintendo icons team up to defeat a common evil, then as Dirk Temporo so eloquently puts it, we Nintendo fans will return to these forums afterward saying, "I came buckets".
Hey, just so you know, I don't jump around like a rabid fanboy at every update. I thought the Pit cinema was a dull update, the stickers was neat but nothing overly exciting, I think the Pokemon updates are lame and the "how to play" updates are OK if you haven't played the game.
Hell, I wouldn't even call the 2 player co-op "the best update ever" as we have yet to see how solid the single player adventure will be.I suspect the cutscenes to be very short and I'm willing to bet the story will not make sense. Not even the fanservice will help it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 06, 2007, 02:20:30 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 06, 2007, 02:23:23 PM
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Well if you are expecting anything other than the classic Nintendo "A badguy descends and the heroes go to kick ass" storyline, then prepare to be disappointed...Those of us who just want something fun most likely won't be... =)
I'm definitely expecting a crossover event with Nintendo characters. What I am worried about is how long these moments will last, like the cutscenes are like a minute each while the stages are obnoxiously long.
But we won't know till the game is released.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 06, 2007, 02:37:00 PM
W...What!? That's what I WANT! And my desire for this is greater than your desire for it not to be, so I guess you're screwed!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 06, 2007, 02:59:14 PM
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"What I am worried about is how long these moments will last, like the cutscenes are like a minute each while the stages are obnoxiously long.
W...What!? That's what I WANT! And my desire for this is greater than your desire for it not to be, so I guess you're screwed!
All I'm hoping for is that the deeper adventure more is balanced, fun and engaging. The reason I am worried is that it reminds me a bit of those "side scroller beat 'em up" mini games in fighting games and those tend to be so-so at best.
Again, I'm not saying that the mode will suck but I am keeping a watchful eye on it as like I said, adventure modes in fighting game tend to be a hit or miss.
If it makes you feel better if done right Brawl could be one of the biggest games Nintendo has ever released. Its already brimming with extra features and game options, lord knows the type of stuff we don't know about yet...
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 06, 2007, 03:10:19 PM
2) A much better comparison would be Kirby Super Star, which was awesome...
3) This isn't Namco, it's Nintendo...
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 06, 2007, 03:54:06 PM
Post by: Adrock on October 06, 2007, 04:20:40 PM
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Which begs the question how is CO-OP going to work in Battalion Wars Wii? Because in Adventure Mode Brawl it works because you can see what your partner is doing and watch his back...but in BWii you need to actually use strategy to beat the levels.
An online multiplayer Adventure Mode in Brawl works, but I wouldn't call it co-op because without communication, cooperation fails. It's more than simply "watch your partner's back." Good co-op games require a great deal of teamwork.
Now I'm not saying that Brawl needs voice chat or anything. The game is already loaded as it is. It'd be nice but not necessary. Team in Adventure Mode is kind of a bonus since it seems built mainly as a single player game. In any case, while I'm all for online bells and whistles, nothing beats having another player right next to you in the same room.
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Hell, I wouldn't even call the 2 player co-op "the best update ever" as we have yet to see how solid the single player adventure will be.I suspect the cutscenes to be very short and I'm willing to bet the story will not make sense. Not even the fanservice will help it.
Not that the story is really a deal breaker by any means.... I just fully expect the Subspace storyline to fail. There was a good opportunity to do something special here. I wish they built the storyline around existing franchises. I'm still not a fan of the Subspace enemies, with the exception of Poppant who is the best enemy ever created.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 07, 2007, 09:10:37 AM
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Oh, I would be absolutely thrilled to death if Crono makes it in. Square has got to realize how popular of a character he is...
As long as Square continues to have a huge hard on for Cloud like they've had for the last 10 years I don't think we'll be seeing Crono any time soon.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 07, 2007, 09:48:40 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 07, 2007, 10:05:43 AM
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Geno definitely has the best chance of being Squenix's guest character at this point...
Definitely. Not only was he on Sakurai's list he ranked very high on the opinion poll. While I wish they used one of Square's own characters to represent the company Geno IS a very worthy character as he represents the first time Nintendo and Square collaborated. Plus Mario RPG rocks your socks.
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Post by: Adrock on October 07, 2007, 11:43:18 AM
As I've said before, if they pick a Square Enix character, I'd bet on it being Cloud. He's popular and extremely marketable. The fanboy in me would love to see Crono or Geno, but let's face it, Nintendo is more likely to choose 3rd party characters that will potentially make them money. Anything non-Nintendo in Brawl will be instantly recognizable to gamers.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 07, 2007, 12:36:22 PM
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I could see Geno as an assist trophy.
As I've said before, if they pick a Square Enix character, I'd bet on it being Cloud. He's popular and extremely marketable. The fanboy in me would love to see Crono or Geno, but let's face it, Nintendo is more likely to choose 3rd party characters that will potentially make them money. Anything non-Nintendo in Brawl will be instantly recognizable to gamers.
While that may be true you have to remember that Nintendo is pursuing characters that have appeared on a Nintendo console at least ONCE. Cloud appeared in "Chain of memories", yes, but that was a very small and almost insignificant cameo appearance. He wasn't even FFVII's Cloud, he was an alternate version of the character.
Finally, Sora, Geno and Mallow have a MUCH better chance of being in the game due to being on both Sakurai's list and the opinion poll.
Post by: Adrock on October 07, 2007, 01:11:20 PM
And I'll give you Sora, but not Geno and Mallow. They're too obscure and part of a series that is very well represented in Smash Bros. already. Maybe Assist Trophies, but not playable.
Post by: LuigiHann on October 07, 2007, 01:21:00 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 07, 2007, 01:34:03 PM
Apparently not obscure enough, considering Geno was the highest ranking 3rd party character in the poll...As for Assist Trophies, I don't see any 3rd party characters not represented in the roster having anything to do with them...
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 07, 2007, 02:43:04 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if there's an AC character in the game, but we're not going to hear about it or any other new franchise until after launch.
Hasn't anyone else noticed that we've yet to see any new franchise characters revealed yet via the blod updates? I'd love to be wrong and see a new franchise tomorrow, but I highly suspect we won't see anyone new until post launch.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 07, 2007, 02:53:11 PM
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We're not going to see any new franchise characters until after the game is released.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's an AC character in the game, but we're not going to hear about it or any other new franchise until after launch.
Hasn't anyone else noticed that we've yet to see any new franchise characters revealed yet via the blod updates? I'd love to be wrong and see a new franchise tomorrow, but I highly suspect we won't see anyone new until post launch.
OK, I'm confused...Are you saying that we won't get any new franchises in Brawl or that we won't see any new franchise characters till AFTER the game is released?
Post by: Adrock on October 07, 2007, 03:07:32 PM
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Apparently not obscure enough, considering Geno was the highest ranking 3rd party character in the poll...
You're basing this on a poll? Polls don't represent everyone and the people who did vote, probably voted multiple times to skew results.
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As for Assist Trophies, I don't see any 3rd party characters not represented in the roster having anything to do with them...
Geno and Mallow are Mario universe characters........ If Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga is anything to go by, Nintendo would need Square-Enix's permission to use them, but they're still considered Mario series characters. So yeah, they're very well represented in the roster even if they're technically owned by Square-Enix.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 07, 2007, 05:52:04 PM
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OK, I'm confused...Are you saying that we won't get any new franchises in Brawl or that we won't see any new franchise characters till AFTER the game is released?
I don't think they're going to reveal new franchise characters until after launch. I'm sure there are more.
I'd LOVE to see some new ones, but the fact that we haven't seen any yet makes me doubt it.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 07, 2007, 06:12:53 PM
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OK, I'm confused...Are you saying that we won't get any new franchises in Brawl or that we won't see any new franchise characters till AFTER the game is released?
I don't think they're going to reveal new franchise characters until after launch. I'm sure there are more.
I'd LOVE to see some new ones, but the fact that we haven't seen any yet makes me doubt it.
Oh, I see.
Technically, we have already seen new to SSB franchises like Wario Ware, Nintendogs, Big Brain Academy and to an extend Kid Icarus.
Although, new franchise characters could be treated as secret characters and if its true they will keep them a secret then you might be right...
Post by: UERD on October 07, 2007, 07:06:54 PM
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but if I were Nintendo, I'd pick Cloud based on sales potential alone even if he's there by a technicality.
Not to mention the symbolic middle finger to Sony in revenge for 'taking' away the franchise in the first place (even if that's not technically accurate). But that would be a good omen. If PS3 can't even keep its old franchises exclusive (in this case, the flagship characters of its PSx FF line), how compelling can it make its new ones seem? I'm sure there are marketing people at all three companies that are aware of this issue.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 07, 2007, 07:32:41 PM
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Oh, I see.
Technically, we have already seen new to SSB franchises like Wario Ware, Nintendogs, Big Brain Academy and to an extend Kid Icarus.
Although, new franchise characters could be treated as secret characters and if its true they will keep them a secret then you might be right...
Of course I don't mean the ones which have already been shown.
I mean that I expect the ones being revealed on the dojo are all starting lineup characters and we'll probably run out of them soon.
(watch a new franchisee pop up this week now...)
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 07, 2007, 08:06:43 PM
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Post by: anubis6789 on October 07, 2007, 08:27:16 PM
I also wonder if the side special is going to be like Sheik's in that you can move the whip once it has been brought out.
It also feels that the plasma wire may be kind of like an inverted Thunder.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 07, 2007, 10:10:58 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 08, 2007, 10:10:28 AM
I would love a real Metroid 0, that tells the story of Samus actually getting the suit for the first time. She could start out with Zero Armor and just her stun gun, and then upgrade from there. Eventually getting a fully powered Chozo Suit. That would be awesome.
Post by: anubis6789 on October 08, 2007, 08:11:10 PM
Oh and Kirby's Final smash is final revealed too.
Post by: IceCold on October 08, 2007, 08:15:55 PM
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Post by: LuigiHann on October 08, 2007, 08:19:17 PM
Edit: I love Ashley's theme, in either language. The way the blog post is presented gives me hope that both versions of the song will be included in "My Music."
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 08, 2007, 08:37:31 PM
Post by: Mikintosh on October 08, 2007, 08:37:55 PM
I'd almost forgotten Kirby's Final Smash was in the original trailer; I was wondering why it looked familiar.
"But is that a real dish? Something like stone soup, maybe?"
Post by: Mashiro on October 08, 2007, 08:48:36 PM
I wonder will all versions be available for unlocking in the game? =)
Post by: stevey on October 08, 2007, 09:00:58 PM
Although I don't like the Us version of Ashley theme, she sounds too old compared to Japanese and Touched songs........
/bill
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 08, 2007, 09:20:17 PM
I'm hoping we can select whatever version of the song we'd like, though...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 08, 2007, 09:25:15 PM
Post by: IceCold on October 08, 2007, 09:46:07 PM
EDIT: HOLD IT! If you go to the Japanese section of the site, in the Kirby update, there's a song update on top of the Final Smash one! This has happened before to me, when the Snake codec messages were omitted from the UK update.
I'm sure none of us bothers to check all the languages, but I wonder why Sakurai isn't including parts in one language while they're in others.
Post by: HadesGigas on October 08, 2007, 10:19:21 PM
< You talk! DS cooking Nabi > (0 minute 56 seconds) < Composition & arrangement charge: ? door Tosiyuki > * Copyright of this music reverts to Nintendo Co. (Inc.). * Please pay attention to volume. ? -. It is funny! Such a ?? is possible, how, as expected the original developer. It is what, don't you think? the meat stops wanting to make.
So I guess it's a song from that DS cookbook game Nintendo released in Japan.
Post by: Michael8983 on October 09, 2007, 12:31:03 AM
I mean why else include her theme song?
She may not be one of the originals but she is one of the most popular of the Warioware gang and would have the most unqiue attacks.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 09, 2007, 01:37:36 AM
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I bet this means Ashley is a playable fighter.
I mean why else include her theme song?
My music.
Seriously, Ashley's theme could be just one of the bonus tracks for the Wario Ware stage. And I see Nintendo turning all the Wario ware characters into assist trophies.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 09, 2007, 01:46:42 AM
They took Ashley's theme and completely destroyed it, in BOTH languages.
I saw Ashley's theme and said, "Oh, cool! I wonder how they remixed it. Maybe a nice dark trance or a full orchestral remix...", but no, it's a godforsaken lounge jazz mix, replete with brushes and everything.
What was so wrong with the original? If I'm not mistaken, that was the version which everyone STARTED liking in the first place!
I was wrong: "My Music" was the best update ever because it can hopefully salvage the Wario Ware stage...
Post by: Ceric on October 09, 2007, 01:46:49 AM
I like that piece thats only on the Japanese site. I don't see why we couldn't get that as well.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 09, 2007, 01:48:46 AM
I hope that I can collect both versions of the song though. And I could see Ashley as being playable, as it would be nice to have another girl, and character from the Wario franchise now. But, more than likely there will be several different Wario tunes from his game for collecting, and even his stage might change music...you never know.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 09, 2007, 01:51:07 AM
At least Kirby's final looks good. Does he FORCE enemies into the pot somehow?
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 09, 2007, 01:52:33 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang Wow,I am really impressed with the translation for the music. They captured the voices and feel perfectly without it feeling or sounding cheesy or off.
This song is the DEFINITION of cheese.
And I'm sorry to crap all over this, but I loved the original Ashley theme and, like I said, it was the music which got us liking the theme in the first place. I was initially glad to see it was back before I clicked the play button.
I don't know who over there thought lounge jazz sounded "spooky" or was in any way appropriate for a spooky song, but he's off his rocker.
Post by: Mario on October 09, 2007, 02:34:24 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 09, 2007, 03:02:47 AM
Maybe we'll be ultra lucky and the REAL Ashley theme will be an unlockable My Music theme for the Wario Ware stage.
Post by: Ceric on October 09, 2007, 03:05:13 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 09, 2007, 03:20:30 AM
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*Shrug* I like it. I think it fits in its own way but I've never heard the original theme.
That might explain why people don't think differently of it.
The original theme was more of a slow, somber piece and Ashley actually sounded like how she looked.
This remix is bright, upbeat and cheery, three things which Ashley is NOT and her original theme is not.
I'd be happier than a pig in sh*t, had they chosen to use the REAL Ashley theme and not bugger it up with a lousy remix.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 09, 2007, 04:28:59 AM
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The original theme was more of a slow, somber piece and Ashley actually sounded like how she looked.
That doesn't sound much like music to fight to.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 04:31:07 AM
(I'm a huge fan of the original and would be ecstatic if they included both new remixes...Also throw in the original just for completion...)
Post by: Tanookisuit on October 09, 2007, 04:34:13 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 04:42:28 AM
Both Mona and Ashley are more popular, and honestly would be more interesting characters to play as... =) (And we need more female characters!)
"Does he FORCE enemies into the pot somehow?"
That's how it works in his games, so most likely...
Post by: Crimm on October 09, 2007, 04:48:16 AM
I love the fact they used a DS cooking game in the JP upate.
Post by: nickmitch on October 09, 2007, 05:07:46 AM
Also, Mona Pizza had better be in there two. >:|
Post by: Caliban on October 09, 2007, 06:12:23 AM
And I didn't like it either how they mixed Ashley's theme.
Post by: LuigiHann on October 09, 2007, 06:12:55 AM
I think Mona has a better chance of being playable than Ashley, because Mona's been in all the games, and has shown a lot more potential variety for moves. I fully expect Ashley to show up as an Assist. 9-Volt could appear, but he would almost be redundant in a game that's already about Nintendo crossovers. He might make more sense as a regular trophy than an Assist, but I wouldn't be surprised either way.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 09, 2007, 06:24:26 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang Wow,I am really impressed with the translation for the music. They captured the voices and feel perfectly without it feeling or sounding cheesy or off.
This song is the DEFINITION of cheese.
And I'm sorry to crap all over this, but I loved the original Ashley theme and, like I said, it was the music which got us liking the theme in the first place. I was initially glad to see it was back before I clicked the play button.
I don't know who over there thought lounge jazz sounded "spooky" or was in any way appropriate for a spooky song, but he's off his rocker.
I think you miss understood. I am not meaning that the song isn't cheesy...the song is wonderfully deliciously cheesy. (just like that pun)
But the translation is a GOOD translation. The voices singing sound like the original Japanese singers, and the translation captures the feel of the original piece well. There have been some really crappy Anime translated songs that just sounds horrible compared to the original piece.
Post by: Ceric on October 09, 2007, 06:36:21 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 09, 2007, 07:05:23 AM
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I do like ONE thing about it: hearing it makes me want to hit things so it should work well in the context of the game.
Maybe we'll be ultra lucky and the REAL Ashley theme will be an unlockable My Music theme for the Wario Ware stage.
If you hate it so much that's why Sakurai added the "My Music" option. Just lower the chances of it playing it on the Wario ware stage and that's it, PROBLEM SOLVED.
In fact, its almost like Sakurai knew that fans would throw a fit over how certain songs are remixed and added the multiple song options so that people can find the tunes they want to listen.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 09, 2007, 07:42:59 AM
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Yeah, I don't like what they did to Ashley's theme. It just doesn't work, and the singer doesn't sound like a child either.
Agreed.
It sounds like a lousy lounge act doing a cover of Ashley's theme. If they had just taken the original theme and sped it up a bit, it would have been FINE.
Like I said, I hope it's an option, or at least that the lounge mix isn't the default theme for the stage.
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Ugh, first it was balance, then it was Snake's choke hold, now it's Ashley's Theme...I can't wait for the week of posts this will lead to...
Ugh, first it was stickers, then it was trophies, now it's Ashley's Theme...I can't wait to see what completely worthless update will be lionized next...
Post by: capamerica on October 09, 2007, 08:15:42 AM
I really like the new version of Ashley's theme, It fits Smash Bros.
Could you imagine trying to fight to the original version? It would be so slow, It would be like trying to fight to the theme song of the the Addams Family cartoon.
Sure its more upbeat but you know what thats perfectly fine with me, I love it.
And I really like the new english voice. Which is a first, I normally like the japanese voices more then the english, But to me the english version sounds perfect. The Japanese voice is to high pitch and just doesn't sound right for a witch girl like Ashley.
Post by: Crimm on October 09, 2007, 08:34:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherUgh, first it was stickers, then it was trophies, now it's Ashley's Theme...I can't wait to see what completely worthless update will be lionized next...
Sticky sticky!
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 08:43:41 AM
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Could someone post a MP3 or something of the original?
Sure thing... =3
It really is a bit too slow-paced for Brawl, but it'd still be rad if they included it (with the poor GBA-ish sound quality intact!)
Post by: Adrock on October 09, 2007, 08:44:38 AM
Post by: anubis6789 on October 09, 2007, 09:05:28 AM
I think the reason why the DS cooking software music is not up on any other site except for the Japanese one really has to do with the fact that it is being used as a joke, as a kind of tie-in with Kirby's cooking based Final Smash, and most outside of Japan would have no frame of reference and would require an explanation. Assuming that is true you can then rationalize the fact that both Lucas and the AT Devil more directly affect game play while a song does not, thus explaining why the song did not show up in the other region updates.
As for the possible reason that the codec conversations did not show up except for the U.S. and Japan websites it may have to do with the fact that in order to get the the full effect of the jokes you have to speak the languages and they might not have been able to add sub-titles to the videos, and since the codec conversations are a superfluous part of the game and/or they do not have the time or money to add sub-titles for the website alone (the UK... ers and Irish get the raw end because of the fact that they are part of the same relative region as the other languages). It is either that or a possible licensing issue.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 09:10:00 AM
Truly, incredibly awesome!
Oh yes, I'm not sure I want to pick through music complaints to see if anyone has posted this, but Brawl will be PLAYABLE at "E for All"...So if there is anyone going they need to collect some impressions...
Post by: anubis6789 on October 09, 2007, 09:19:05 AM
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Oh yes, I'm not sure I want to pick through music complaints to see if anyone has posted this, but Brawl will be PLAYABLE at "E for All"...So if there is anyone going they need to collect some impressions...
In the words of the Genome Soldiers; !
Too bad I do not live closer to L.A. or I would be there.
BTW that is an awesome pic. And would you know if the artist is adding the newer characters as they are reveled?
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 09:21:20 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 09, 2007, 09:49:39 AM
I still agree with the sentiment that, years ago, someone lifted up the US by the east cost and all the fruits and nuts rolled down to California.
Post by: Adrock on October 09, 2007, 09:57:12 AM
And I don't mind Ashley's theme remix. Not great, but it's not terrible.
Terrible shame that E for All is in LA. I'm not f-ing close.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 09, 2007, 10:23:27 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 09, 2007, 10:29:12 AM
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My face just exploded after seeing that pic though Samus is on there twice and if Back to the Future has taught me anything, the fabric of the space time continuum should have unraveled and destroyed the entire universe.
What do you think is going on in the background?
As for Ashley's theme, if people like it, so be it. I'm not going to argue music tastes as that's about as sensible as arguing pizza toppings.
Post by: Arbok on October 09, 2007, 11:18:28 AM
I think the difference is just the lead singer, as the Japanese one fits the melody perfectly with a nice sweet voice, but the English one just messes it all up as the lead tries to belt it out there and doesn't gel with the melody nearly as well.
On a random note, I guess this is the myspace page of the singer in the English version:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=78403168
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 11:27:08 AM
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I think the difference is just the lead singer, as the Japanese one fits the melody perfectly with a nice sweet voice, but the English one just messes it all up as the lead tries to belt it out there and doesn't gel with the melody nearly as well.
I hate to sound like a Japanophile, but Japanese just works so much better in song than English does...It really is a melodic language... =3
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 09, 2007, 11:30:41 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on October 09, 2007, 11:38:43 AM
The E for all announcement is awesome!
Post by: Arbok on October 09, 2007, 11:38:45 AM
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The funny thing? She confirms on her profile that she is recording a song for Brawl on August and we didn't learn about it till October. If we had use some leet detective skills we would've figured this out months before the actual confirmation came out.
Quick, everyone, scour random myspace pages to see if we can't learn anything else about Brawl ahead of time!
EDIT: Also, good work all Nintendo fans for nerding up that entry on her page
August 27, 2007
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 09, 2007, 11:44:23 AM
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Post by: HadesGigas on October 09, 2007, 11:48:26 AM
Post by: Ceric on October 09, 2007, 01:21:49 PM
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Could someone post a MP3 or something of the original?
Sure thing... =3
It really is a bit too slow-paced for Brawl, but it'd still be rad if they included it (with the poor GBA-ish sound quality intact!)
Um no. That version has such a personality problem. You've got a totally dead pan girl who has a theme song of someone confident which is really to slow.
I like the new version much better.
Anyways, Thanks Bill for the music. I'm sure the theme eventually grows on you.
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 09, 2007, 01:22:08 PM
Post by: Arbok on October 09, 2007, 01:42:14 PM
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I hope the Cooking Navi DS song will still be used for Kirby's Final Smash in the other versions. It's such a great tune that really fits Cook Kirby. It'd be a shame if they only leave it in the Japanese version.
I'm still hoping we can switch over to the Japanese version in game, ala Melee.
Post by: LuigiHann on October 09, 2007, 02:04:44 PM
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I hate to contribute to the whining, but I'm not crazy about the lead vocals on the American Ashley song. She just sounds way too perky to be Ashley...you can even hear her gasping for breath she's singing so hard. I don't mind the remix otherwise, in fact I like her voice...but I just can't imagine Ashley singing like that.
I said this earlier, but I'll say it again: Unless stated otherwise, I believe that this version of Ashley's theme is being performed by Mona. It makes sense.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 09, 2007, 02:09:24 PM
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Could someone post a MP3 or something of the original?
Sure thing... =3
It really is a bit too slow-paced for Brawl, but it'd still be rad if they included it (with the poor GBA-ish sound quality intact!)
Um no. That version has such a personality problem. You've got a totally dead pan girl who has a theme song of someone confident which is really to slow.
I like the new version much better.
Anyways, Thanks Bill for the music. I'm sure the theme eventually grows on you.
THAT'S the point of the original song! Ashley is basically a quiet, deadpan gothic witch. If you see her cutscenes in "Touched" and "Smooth moves" you'll see that she always has a straight face and doesn't show any personality. So if the song is a little "dead" that because its how her character is.
I still love the new remix, but it IS very cheery in comparison to the old one.
Post by: Arbok on October 09, 2007, 02:20:11 PM
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I said this earlier, but I'll say it again: Unless stated otherwise, I believe that this version of Ashley's theme is being performed by Mona. It makes sense.
Well the singer said otherwise, if you read her post about doing the song... as she stated she was doing the voice of the little "teenage, goth, witch" and that it was "really fun creating her voice just from a description of her character on paper".
Post by: LuigiHann on October 09, 2007, 02:22:58 PM
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I said this earlier, but I'll say it again: Unless stated otherwise, I believe that this version of Ashley's theme is being performed by Mona. It makes sense.
Well the singer said otherwise, if you read her post about doing the song... as she stated she was doing the voice of the little "teenage, goth, witch" and that it was "really fun creating her voice just from a description of her character on paper".
Well, that's dumb. She certainly took the character in a different direction. I don't really care either way, though. I'm still going to pretend it's Mona, because that fits better.
It's a good song anyway.
Post by: Smoke39 on October 09, 2007, 02:27:02 PM
Post by: Arbok on October 09, 2007, 02:32:05 PM
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This arguing over whether or not this remix retains the mood of the original is pointless. The whole point of the music in Brawl is for musicians to have some fun reimagining some of their favorite tunes. It's not like all the music in Melee perfectly kept the mood of the source songs, either. Brinstar, for example.
Wait, what? I think the majority who are complaining are arguing over the fact that the singer, portraying a character, has just given Ashley a totally different portrayal from what one would have expected (or in my case, I simply don't like the Disney-portrayal with how it gels with the melody). The music itself, ie the karaoke version, doesn't seem to be getting much criticism.
Post by: Ceric on October 09, 2007, 02:59:23 PM
YouTube of Ashley with the Original Song
Post by: Smoke39 on October 09, 2007, 03:22:52 PM
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This arguing over whether or not this remix retains the mood of the original is pointless. The whole point of the music in Brawl is for musicians to have some fun reimagining some of their favorite tunes. It's not like all the music in Melee perfectly kept the mood of the source songs, either. Brinstar, for example.
Wait, what? I think the majority who are complaining are arguing over the fact that the singer, portraying a character, has just given Ashley a totally different portrayal from what one would have expected (or in my case, I simply don't like the Disney-portrayal with how it gels with the melody). The music itself, ie the karaoke version, doesn't seem to be getting much criticism.
*shrugs* To me the vocals are just another aspect of the song's aesthetic rather than necessarily a portrayal of the character.
Post by: stevey on October 09, 2007, 04:11:05 PM
Post by: Shecky on October 09, 2007, 04:15:04 PM
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I really think that how the character is portrayed in the remix fit better with the words of the song and even how the original is done. I don't think the song itself, even the original, really fit with how you guys are telling me the character is. Maybe a song about her where she didn't really participate in and just made totally dead pan comments out of the blue or trying to get rid of the singers. I'm going to go YouTube Diving and see if I can find some videos.
YouTube of Ashley with the Original Song
The original is practically unintelligible - new one seems fine for what it is. Personally I don't care for the voice b/c then it's not really good BGM, with the characters on screen having their own grunts and voices, not to mention other sound effects.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 09, 2007, 04:22:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39 The whole point of the music in Brawl is for musicians to have some fun reimagining some of their favorite tunes.
That should include not making them suck.
I think out of all of these, I actually like the KK Rider and Pokemans themes. Kinda sad, really...
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Originally posted by: Shecky The original is practically unintelligible - new one seems fine for what it is. Personally I don't care for the voice b/c then it's not really good BGM, with the characters on screen having their own grunts and voices, not to mention other sound effects.
I also agree with this.
The vocals will probably be pretty subdued in the actual game so the end result will be that they'll be washed over by a cascade of grunts and crashing noises, which basically defeats the purpose of having lyrics in the first place.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 04:23:36 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 09, 2007, 04:24:57 PM
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That you think awesome music sucks? Truly...
I'd rather be overcritical than too forgiving.
But in all seriousness, it just doesn't sound good to my ear.
To be fair, I thought the Zelda and Kid Icarus mixes were decent.
I just think they could have done something so much cooler AND more fitting of the character with this theme.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 04:26:15 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 09, 2007, 04:29:32 PM
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That's a pretty awesome and original way to spin someone liking something!
Like I said earlier, I'm not going to get on people's cases for music tastes as they vary too much to ever be predictable.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 04:37:02 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 09, 2007, 05:05:26 PM
Like S_B I only like a handful of the Brawl songs. Many of them are 'blah' IMO.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 05:09:50 PM
Well I think this is a poor analogy, because that problem arises when you have a bunch of people working on the same thing...Music tracks are pretty much individual pieces (in this case that reflect each individual composer) that are independent from each other...
Post by: Tanookisuit on October 09, 2007, 05:25:08 PM
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Post by: IceCold on October 09, 2007, 07:36:41 PM
Post by: Arbok on October 09, 2007, 08:12:55 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 08:17:19 PM
SONIC + TWO TRAILERS!? FROTH!
Post by: Sessha on October 09, 2007, 08:21:31 PM
Wasn't S_B waiting for this?
Post by: Mashiro on October 09, 2007, 08:23:42 PM
The first trailer was fantastic! Love the return of the Melee music for the second half of it as well.
I can't get the sonic trailer to load though >.< it keeps popping up the first one.
Post by: Mikintosh on October 09, 2007, 08:24:11 PM
The conference video was also reassuring, as the damage counters don't really look out of place while in play, and I'm pleased to see the game hasn't been slowed down to the extent I was afraid of.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 08:25:12 PM
Post by: Arbok on October 09, 2007, 08:27:18 PM
Post by: IceCold on October 09, 2007, 08:30:11 PM
On another note, looks like Nintendo is showing up SEGA with their own character.
EDIT: In the first trailer, the part where fox shoots with Samus behind him, then disappears just before Samus shoots, is beautifully executed.
Post by: Mashiro on October 09, 2007, 08:31:02 PM
I didn't think I would be that hyped to play Sonic but that video made me. Game looks so freaking good.
Oh and Live and Learn is back wow lol. I kind of prefer "Open Your Heart" but Live and Learn rocks just the same (in a really cheesy kinda way).
Post by: Sarail on October 09, 2007, 08:32:29 PM
Post by: Mashiro on October 09, 2007, 08:36:45 PM
Post by: Arbok on October 09, 2007, 08:37:28 PM
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Wasn't S_B waiting for this?
He should also be happy that it has been pushed into 2008 in Japan, meaning he won't have to worry about spoilers either.
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Anyone else think the adventure mode looks great? Loving the variety in platforming that was shown in the clips.
Oh hell yeah. The Donkey Kong Country style barrel shooting part induced a fanboy-gasm out of me...
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 08:38:36 PM
See what I see? I see a Fire Flower that ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE ONE FROM THE MARIO GAMES!
Post by: HadesGigas on October 09, 2007, 08:38:47 PM
Post by: Sarail on October 09, 2007, 08:40:52 PM
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See what I see? I see a Fire Flower that ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE ONE FROM THE MARIO GAMES!
It's a friggin' miracle! *cries tears of joy*
'Bout time they get the actual Fire Flower item right.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 08:41:03 PM
Is this a Metroid stage? Sure looks like a Metroid stage!
Post by: Arbok on October 09, 2007, 08:41:39 PM
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Except it is pushed back to "TBD" here.
...well crap...
Post by: Mashiro on October 09, 2007, 08:42:23 PM
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Oh hell yeah. The Donkey Kong Country style barrel shooting part induced a fanboy-gasm out of me...
Same here my friend same here!
Oh and victory shot of the millennia:
Post by: Mashiro on October 09, 2007, 08:43:54 PM
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Except it is pushed back to "TBD" here.
...well crap...
CRAPPPP NOOOOO ::slams head:: no no no no no....nooooooo.
Why why whyyyy Nintendo. Nintendo you heartless b*******.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 09, 2007, 08:44:16 PM
Post by: HadesGigas on October 09, 2007, 08:45:32 PM
Post by: Mashiro on October 09, 2007, 08:50:35 PM
excuse me I'm gonna go cry in the corner for a week or so.
Post by: IceCold on October 09, 2007, 08:50:38 PM
Plus it's a good business move to save it for a time where Wiis aren't sold-out, like they definitely will be this holiday. Smash Bros has huge system-pushing potential, so it would be somewhat of a waste in December.
Post by: that Baby guy on October 09, 2007, 08:53:12 PM
In fact, using this gameplay, I think there could be a pretty awesome Sonic game developed. That's just me. Anyways, check this post for a link in a few minutes!
Found it. I took the time to find a higher quality one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1HkBFYfDFk
Honestly, what could've been saddens me that it didn't happen.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 08:57:00 PM
This will be the best Sonic game in years...Pretty sad, isn't it!
Post by: anubis6789 on October 09, 2007, 08:57:42 PM
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Oh and Live and Learn is back wow lol. I kind of prefer "Open Your Heart" but Live and Learn rocks just the same (in a really cheesy kinda way).
I'm with you there, "Live and Learn" is great but "Open Your Heart" is the greatest song from the 3-D Sonics, and perhaps even all of the Sonic games.
Post by: anubis6789 on October 09, 2007, 09:00:46 PM
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"In fact, using this gameplay, I think there could be a pretty awesome Sonic game developed."
This will be the best Sonic game in years...Pretty sad, isn't it!
Damn it! I was going to say the same thing but you beat me.
Although we might be forgetting Sonic Rush.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 09:03:56 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on October 09, 2007, 09:04:30 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 09, 2007, 09:12:27 PM
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This is the best update yet.
Wasn't S_B waiting for this?
I was supposed to tell him about it as soon as it happened. But considering that he lives with capamerica he probabky knows about it by now...
As for the update...SUPER SPECIAL AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Sonic trailer was EXACTLY as I imagined it, complete with a shot of Mario and Sonic together in a victory pose.
As for the possibility of a delay, I admit that I am split in half. On one half, I REALLY wanted to play Brawl during my Holiday break. But on the other, if this means that they will be using the time to polish the game even further then by all means they should take their sweet time.
Post by: anubis6789 on October 09, 2007, 09:20:16 PM
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I cannot believe what I am reading, Sonic Rush is awesome (I do not know about Rush Adventure, I have not got to play it yet). Yeah, it is not the same as the old Sonic games, but it is a still great game, and more than just a "good recent Sonic game".
Anyway, no point in arguing matters of taste I guess.
I would like to know if I am the only person actually excited about the delay though, because a delay means that this game can be even better than it is now, and I am only going off pictures and how the previous games played. Remember this that Miyamoto said: "A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever", only in this example replace bad with good and good with great. At least that is how I feel.
Post by: Sessha on October 09, 2007, 09:22:33 PM
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I would like to know if I am the only person actually excited about the delay though, because a delay means that this game can be even better than it is now, and I am only going off pictures and how the previous games played. Remember this that Miyamoto said: "A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever", only in this example replace bad with good and good with great. At least that is how I feel.
If I had to make a guess, I would wager it's probably not out of the question that a third party might have approached them at the last minute with the proposition of adding in their character... which would have required for a good deal of work (character themselves, stage, selection of music for My Music, playtesting to balance) and could easily account for a month plus delay since you have to leave a good window for manufacturing so no kinks arise.
...could just be wishful things on my part, though.
Post by: that Baby guy on October 09, 2007, 09:29:02 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on October 09, 2007, 09:29:37 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
I would like to know if I am the only person actually excited about the delay though, because a delay means that this game can be even better than it is now, and I am only going off pictures and how the previous games played. Remember this that Miyamoto said: "A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever", only in this example replace bad with good and good with great. At least that is how I feel.
If I had to make a guess, I would wager it's probably not out of the question that a third party might have approached them at the last minute with the proposition of adding in their character... which would have required for a good deal of work (character themselves, stage, selection of music for My Music, playtesting to balance) and could easily account for a month plus delay since you have to leave a good window for manufacturing so no kinks arise.
...could just be wishful things on my part, though.
Are you talking about Sonic or are you hoping for another third party character, who also happens to be blue, like me?
Post by: Mashiro on October 09, 2007, 09:31:18 PM
(I think Mega Man has a huge shot of being in the game now for some reason . . .)
Edit: With Monster Hunter jumping ship to the Wii and all . . . come on Capcom don't be stupid let Nintendo add the blue bomber in. Make this the biggest fanboy-gasm game of all time!
Post by: that Baby guy on October 09, 2007, 09:32:40 PM
Post by: Arbok on October 09, 2007, 09:33:53 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
Are you talking about Sonic or are you hoping for another third party character, who also happens to be blue, like me?
No, I wasn't talking about Sonic, since he looks to be mostly done and since Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games has been in the works I imagine this has been established early on in the "third party" game for Brawl. I was actually considering another firm, though... and Capcom sure is a possibility, I suppose.
Post by: Mashiro on October 09, 2007, 09:42:18 PM
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Those are the two most likely characters, I think. Although, it seems you know things we don't, from the look of the other thread...
Lol well . . . Crono is a real real real big reach and just a personal dream of mine.
As for the blue bomber well . . . we'll have to wait and see!
Post by: Arbok on October 09, 2007, 09:57:55 PM
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Oh and victory shot of the millennia:
Belated mention, but it seems that Mario has the old Dr. Mario "victory stance" now rather than he old "mushroom size" taunt from the previous two games... or at least that's my assumption.
EDIT: Probably just early morning logic at work, as there is nothing stopping them from just using the victory movements outside of those screens I guess... going to cut my loses and call it a night/morning.
Post by: Adrock on October 09, 2007, 10:02:38 PM
Who is surprised by Sonic being in Brawl? No one? Ok, just checking.
Come on, it was only a matter of time. I've been treating Sonic in Brawl as fact for months. I'm not bragging because I have no right to brag. Truth is, it was just too obvious.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on October 09, 2007, 10:24:36 PM
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Is this a Metroid stage? Sure looks like a Metroid stage!
It's actually Sonic's stage!
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CRAPPPP NOOOOO ::slams head:: no no no no no....nooooooo.
Why why whyyyy Nintendo. Nintendo you heartless b*******.
Can't wait for the PAL release in 2009!
Post by: Mashiro on October 09, 2007, 10:41:20 PM
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Can't wait for the PAL release in 2009!
Lol I thought it was 2012 and was going to be bundled with Wii 2?
Post by: Strell on October 09, 2007, 10:46:29 PM
Shut up. God dayum.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 10, 2007, 01:05:37 AM
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Those are the two most likely characters, I think. Although, it seems you know things we don't, from the look of the other thread...
MegaMan will be revealed at Capcom's conference thing they have going on next week (I think it's next week...)
Post by: Shecky on October 10, 2007, 01:30:58 AM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
I would like to know if I am the only person actually excited about the delay though, because a delay means that this game can be even better than it is now, and I am only going off pictures and how the previous games played. Remember this that Miyamoto said: "A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever", only in this example replace bad with good and good with great. At least that is how I feel.
If I had to make a guess, I would wager it's probably not out of the question that a third party might have approached them at the last minute with the proposition of adding in their character... which would have required for a good deal of work (character themselves, stage, selection of music for My Music, playtesting to balance) and could easily account for a month plus delay since you have to leave a good window for manufacturing so no kinks arise.
...could just be wishful things on my part, though.
monitory/legal agreements and all other sorts of red tape to have a 3rd party character... that never seems to come up when discussing them, and those type of things take forever to work out. Although the delay is probably heavily influenced by release scheduling, characters such as Sonic could be the very reason for the delay as well.
Post by: Shecky on October 10, 2007, 01:36:06 AM
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Belated mention, but it seems that Mario has the old Dr. Mario "victory stance" now rather than he old "mushroom size" taunt from the previous two games... or at least that's my assumption.
It looks like they have several taunts now.... I'm guessing 4 of them. Sonic shows off at least 2.
Edit: Make that 3 by my count.
Also, his animations (such as braking and standing near an edge) are all reminiscent of the old 2D games, and it looks like they did a good job with his move set.
He had better look at his watch and tap his foot for an idle animation
Post by: Tanookisuit on October 10, 2007, 01:51:31 AM
Post by: Ceric on October 10, 2007, 02:17:13 AM
On the trailer. Great. I like the dancing part as sort of random. The Melee theme coming back was great. The Single Player Adventure mode seems to be shaping up but, I do still hope that they have the two older single player modes as well.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 10, 2007, 02:34:58 AM
I would love another third party character as well...(Mega Man, Bomberman, BOTH.)
But I would also like the Brawl team to work on getting voice chat working for Co-op mode.
I also would hope it would be possible for Nintendo to push Mario Kart Wii up to 2007 to fix this gap now in their schedule. Also I wish battalion Wars 2 would be delayed so add voice chat for Co-Op mode. (Mario Kart to me doesn't need it at all.) And perhaps Nintendo could push up Wii Fit for US market this December.
Post by: nickmitch on October 10, 2007, 03:00:18 AM
Also, Sonic's FSA looks to be Super Sonic, makes sense.
Also, SONIC! *drool*
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 10, 2007, 03:18:43 AM
Post by: nickmitch on October 10, 2007, 03:25:00 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 10, 2007, 03:29:09 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 10, 2007, 04:56:51 AM
Sakurai just made my week...
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 10, 2007, 05:10:42 AM
It looked like Fox simply smashed the smash ball instead of grabbing it.
The video confirmed that Mr. Resetti's speech balloons will cover the action.
Mario is fighting Petey instead of Kirby, so the events we saw in that movie are not set in stone.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 10, 2007, 05:14:53 AM
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It looked like Fox simply smashed the smash ball instead of grabbing it.
Mario is fighting Petey instead of Kirby, so the events we saw in that movie are not set in stone.
1) Yeah, it looks like he did his Shadow Dash move into it...And the Smash Ball came in at a weird angle...Maybe it floats through the level without actually staying on the ground?
2) You can probably choose to be Mario or Kirby at the start...
Post by: NinjaWang on October 10, 2007, 05:40:48 AM
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Sonic is in. Which means 80's Cheese Rock is in. Now theres a few things I like changed by the time it release but mainly go back to the circle feet run. Once Sonic is going fast enough his feet need to go to a circle blurb. I like how they kept his jumping sound. Hopefully though they'll opt out of having any of the other Sonic characters show up in any form but a collectable trophy or stickers. The items be fine. This would help with the loner vibe that Sonic has and Brawl could be tied back to his universe like Secret Rings was.
On the trailer. Great. I like the dancing part as sort of random. The Melee theme coming back was great. The Single Player Adventure mode seems to be shaping up but, I do still hope that they have the two older single player modes as well.
If you look at the video closer when they play his jumping sound, He is actually jumping from one of the bumpers from his game. I saw it watching the vid in slomo. Now the question is, is that his Up-B or are they putting in items from sonics games aswell.
BTW: Snorlax confirmed
Updated w/ Sonic
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 10, 2007, 05:54:05 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 10, 2007, 05:55:03 AM
Also, did anyone else notice that one of Sonic's primary moves is one from Secret Rings? It's the one which causes him to fly straight downward. That was the SR stopping move, and considering how fast he looks, it'll be handy for Brawl.
Also, they seem to be showcasing the hell out of the 3rd party characters right now.
Is there a 3rd shoe waiting to drop? Megaman, perhaps? Geno?
Post by: NinjaWang on October 10, 2007, 06:08:02 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 10, 2007, 06:08:48 AM
Post by: NinjaWang on October 10, 2007, 06:10:53 AM
But i imagine that It'd appear where he was and he just go up kinda like mario's up B from melee, slight pause then up not down...Maybe I've been in the sun too long.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 10, 2007, 06:15:40 AM
Also, these Up+B moves seem to give a LOT of height. I wonder if that's because there's more gravity now or something...
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 10, 2007, 06:21:53 AM
Post by: NinjaWang on October 10, 2007, 06:22:56 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 10, 2007, 06:41:49 AM
I only hope I like it, and it would be a godsend if, while playing it, it recalls me to the times of SSB64...
We'll see, though.
And yeah, Sonic was the ONLY other character I really wanted for this game so I suppose I could probably stop checking updates daily now. For me, this was the apex of the SSBB blog.
Post by: NinjaWang on October 10, 2007, 07:01:23 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 10, 2007, 07:08:25 AM
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I knew it was coming, but still, I had no idea we'd know so soon.
Sakurai just made my week...
And yet, its the same Sakurai that allowed Mario's neck to be snapped and turned Resetti into an assist trophy...That man just LOVES to play with a fanboy's feelings
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Post by: Smash_Brother on October 10, 2007, 07:44:50 AM
I'm fond of Little Mac and Olimar and such, but I think I would have been crushingly disappointed if Sonic didn't show up.
I honestly still have a hard time believing it. It was too good to be true and crossed me as one of those decisions which is SO immensely obvious that it would take a company like Sega to f*ck it up.
Post by: Adrock on October 10, 2007, 08:16:41 AM
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Strell wrote:
To Adrock in a Group X voice:
Shut up. God dayum.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on October 10, 2007, 08:21:18 AM
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The only thing really surprising about the update was that they announced Sonic so soon. There's probably a bigger update planned somewhere down the line.
They announced Sonic to distract us from the release date slipping.
Didn't it work? I already didn't care when the game was released, personally. If it launches NEXT Xmas, I'd still be fine because that'd be one more year of polish and balance the game would have and that can only mean good things for everyone.
Post by: Adrock on October 10, 2007, 08:33:52 AM
The latest I'd like to see this game is March 2008. That's ample time for tweaking and balancing. If it kept its original release date, a 2 year development cycle is plenty for a game that borrows so much from its predecessor. For an extra year wait, they'd have to be adding upwards for 10-15 characters and stages, something I don't think would warrant a delay. Not that that would be a significantly bad thing, but sometimes you just have to let things go.... unlike George Lucas who continually butchers the Original Trilogy.
Post by: Strell on October 10, 2007, 08:39:37 AM
(Just in case: This is not aimed at anyone.)
Post by: Mashiro on October 10, 2007, 09:10:11 AM
Just throwin' it out there.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 10, 2007, 09:19:56 AM
I also love the last clip of the movie where he shakes his finger at the camera like in the Sonic games of old. That was a welcome throwback.
Post by: NinjaWang on October 10, 2007, 09:26:16 AM
Post by: nickmitch on October 10, 2007, 09:32:34 AM
Post by: ThePerm on October 10, 2007, 09:37:19 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 10, 2007, 09:39:14 AM
When did THAT happen?
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 10, 2007, 09:42:50 AM
Sonic trailer:
0:01 - Mario fighting off Goombas in an area we know to be in Adventure Mode...Does this mean that we could run into Sonic or is this made purely for the trailer?
0:12 - Looks like a taunt...
0:15 - Sonic using his Spin Dash for the first time of many in the trailer...Most likely his standard B attack...
0:16 - The sound that Sonic makes braking after his Spin Dash! Old-school sound effect!
0:24 - Classic "Uh oh, gonna fall!" animation!
0:26 - Lock-on attack from Secret Rings! (Most likely Down+B attack...) You can also see Mario using FLUDD for the first time!
0:28 - Sonic's Grab + Down Attack most likely...
0:29 - Oh yeah, his classic jump sound effect is in too!
0:34 - Most likely Up+B Spring Jump, but a bit difficult to tell...
0:35 - Warp Star! Minor, but it's also really cool how Link's Spin Attack has the little glint of light at the end of the attack...
0:38 - CLASSIC FIRE FLOWER! New enemy that looks like a fish with a giant eyeball...Also some interesting new round obstacle things that run on a set path...
0:41 - Oh man, Sonic will be fun to use in Adventure Mode...
0:43 - The money shot of the trailer...Mario and Sonic taunts perhaps?
0:45 - Super Sonic - Sonic's Final Smash, obviously...
Full Trailer:
0:04 - Did Peach's Hip Thrust attack always produce hearts? And geez, Kirby got DRILLED by that one multi-thrust attack of Meta Knight's, all across the platform!
0:06 - Andross! Bowser took around 40 damage before getting launched...
0:09 - Bridge of Eldin looks pretty wide! And the Smash Ball appears to just float across the stage, possibly even sinking through it unlike other items...Possibility of multiple Smash Balls or selectable Zero Suit Samus due to her appearance...
0:10 - Fox Shadow Dashes into the Smash Ball to bring out the Landmaster!
0:11 - Yoshi causing destruction on Shadow Moses with his Super Dragon Final Smash, destroying the side walls in the process...Looks REALLY chaotic!
0:14 - New Pokemon! Kyogre!
0:15 - New Pokemon! Torchic! ALSO, New Stage! Looks Metroid-based! (Though it COULD be the area underneath the Fire Emblem throne room, too early to tell)
0:17 - Piplup in motion...
0:17 - Snorlax looks a lot more 3-dimensional this time around...Looks nice!
0:17 - Lakitu looking good...
0:19 - Lyn! I like how she's all "Hm?" I love all the stuff going on in the background of the Lylat Cruise stage too...
0:20 - Mr. Resetti covering up the screen with text...
0:25 - The trophies look really nice!
0:34 - Oh man, the fanfare here is epic...
0:36 - Petey animates GREAT!
0:37 - Ahaha, Poppants! I also love the stage design here, with the rolling hill and the cloud platforms...Also a new cloud-type enemy!
0:38 - Fox blowing up some Kirby-esque blocks...
0:40 - Donkey Kong Country deja vu! The door at the end reminds me of Super Paper Mario...
0:42 - Looks like Snake's intro in Adventure Mode, perhaps?
0:43 - Definitely a Yoshi taunt...
0:46 - Ice Climbers taunt...Wait, what is that stage they are on!?
0:47 - Lucas taunt, perhaps? Looks like he's using a "Life-up" move (or faking one), but it's hard to tell...
0:48 - Holy crap Ike's taunt is bad-ass...
0:50 - Can see Pokemon Trainer yelling orders to his Pokemon, but you don't actually hear a voice or sound...
0:51 - It's that new stage area again!
0:52 - DK and Diddy taunts...
0:54 - Wario taunt...I like how his mustache bounces when he closes his mouth... =D
0:55 - Link and Zelda taunts, with K.K. in the background!
0:56 - Samus missing a chance to zap Fox with her stun gun...
0:57 - Haha, Peach dancing...New move or taunt? I'm going to go with taunt...
0:59 - Pit and Samus taunting, but I can't tell if Pikachu's is just his idle animation...
0:59 - Kirby and Meta Knight taunting...Meta Knight's is also cool, with his "swishing the blood" from his sword and checking the straightness of the blade...
1:00 - Aaaaand, ending with Mario's forward smash...
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 10, 2007, 09:46:16 AM
We've seen Wario do the ass-wiggle and now we're seeing what looks like a different taunt.
Either the dev team can't decide or there are multiple ones to choose from.
Post by: ThePerm on October 10, 2007, 09:51:01 AM
Post by: IceCold on October 10, 2007, 09:52:58 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 10, 2007, 09:55:11 AM
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So yeah, the Dojo has been overloaded and the server's down.. I've been wondering how many clicks they've been getting over the past few months (especially with the big updates like the WiFi and Sonic ones) - apparently quite a few!
It's weird. Usually the Dojo doesn't respond well for me. I had to go to gametrailers to see the Snake videos because they wouldn't load from the Dojo for me, and plenty of times my computer just refuses to believe that the site even exists. Today, though, it's nice and responsive.
Post by: ThePerm on October 10, 2007, 11:36:45 AM
Konami owns 59% of it, thus making it the now parent company
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_Soft
Konami owns 59% of it, thus making it the now parent company
Wow, I wonder how that one slipped by me...
Thanks.
Post by: ThePerm on October 10, 2007, 11:50:56 AM
Bomberman-hudson/konami - Wario and Bomberman have a rivalry
Megaman-Capcom - dr wiley should be in a level
Pacman-namco- the ghosts should be level assisrs
Goemon-konami - always been a favorite..too bad he's never been popular
Dr. Robotnik/aka Eggman-Sega - if their going to have bowser they should have Eggman and Ganon
Liquid Snake-konami--likewise, or if not Liquid then Revovler Ocelot
Post by: anubis6789 on October 10, 2007, 11:58:21 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 10, 2007, 12:05:10 PM
Post by: Sessha on October 10, 2007, 12:09:12 PM
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I'd rather each company get a single representative, personally...
I feel the same way I don't know Bill's reasons but I want the game to identifiable as a Nintendo franchise, too many guests may give people the wrong idea.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 10, 2007, 12:10:24 PM
Post by: ThePerm on October 10, 2007, 12:38:44 PM
Megamans possible because Capcom wants to make some moneyhats and is a fan favorite, idk who hates Megaman
likewise for bomberman, not to mention bomberman would make for great gameplay
Goemon is Konami's mascot, but of course is nowhere near as popular as Snake, so who knows, however putting him in Smash Bros would be good advertising.
Pacman may be likely because he's already made some cameos in Nintendo's games like Mario Kart arcade
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 10, 2007, 12:41:12 PM
Post by: ThePerm on October 10, 2007, 12:44:40 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 10, 2007, 01:16:23 PM
F*CK YEAH BABY IT'S SONIC THE F*CKING HEDGEHOG!!!!
Yeah I knew Sonic was in the game but still, actually seeing him there just makes my head feel like it's going to explode.
Oh and one thing I'd like to add that nobody else has said yet, Marth's Fire Emblem being remade for the DS Well I think it's safe to say Marth is coming back now. He's the icon of the series in Japan and is now the star of an upcoming Fire Emblem game which will probably be released in the US making him no longer a Japan only character either.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 10, 2007, 01:27:26 PM
AUGH, HARD-ON FOR IKE!
Post by: Mashiro on October 10, 2007, 01:58:01 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 10, 2007, 02:11:18 PM
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Ice Climbers were already announced, Game & Watch was a favorite on Melee for me. Lets hope. Actually putting him in would make sense because all he has is standard generic moves, i dont see how he could effect gameplay.
You misunderstand me.
I mean that both Ice Climbers and G&W are from series which are both very much dead and gone (unless you count the G&W GBA game recently...). Belmont sharing the same fate doesn't invalidate him for SSB, really.
Post by: Tanookisuit on October 10, 2007, 02:22:36 PM
Post by: Ceric on October 10, 2007, 02:24:09 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 10, 2007, 02:39:32 PM
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You know, now with Sonic in the game, I really want Pacman and Megaman in it...badly. I know Pacman would be weird, but the game is becoming this videogame history lesson of sorts, and it would feel incomplete without Pacman.
Ugh, you people need to stop wanting Pac-Man...He's a one-hit wonder with a really, REALLY bad track record in 3D...One that's even worse than Sonic's, so NO...
Post by: Mashiro on October 10, 2007, 02:44:23 PM
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...One that's even worse than Sonic's, and that's nooooo good!
Fixed =D
Post by: LuigiHann on October 10, 2007, 03:20:28 PM
Post by: Shecky on October 10, 2007, 03:33:11 PM
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The latest I'd like to see this game is March 2008. That's ample time for tweaking and balancing. If it kept its original release date, a 2 year development cycle is plenty for a game that borrows so much from its predecessor. For an extra year wait, they'd have to be adding upwards for 10-15 characters and stages, something I don't think would warrant a delay. Not that that would be a significantly bad thing, but sometimes you just have to let things go.... unlike George Lucas who continually butchers the Original Trilogy.
QFT
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I mean that both Ice Climbers and G&W are from series which are both very much dead and gone (unless you count the G&W GBA game recently...). Belmont sharing the same fate doesn't invalidate him for SSB, really.
Yeah but you miss the point that the 3rd parties aren't just putting characters in to be nice here.... there are agendas and license talks, rights, rules... red tape. Also, Nintendo likely included (and will keep) both the Ice Climbers and G&W since they provide a unique twist on characters (joint pair/completely flat with stop animation)
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0:15 - Sonic using his Spin Dash for the first time of many in the trailer...Most likely his standard B attack...
How many years did they drill the spin dash as Down+B and you think standard B attack.... for shame!
Post by: Arbok on October 10, 2007, 03:43:08 PM
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You know, now with Sonic in the game, I really want Pacman and Megaman in it...badly. I know Pacman would be weird, but the game is becoming this videogame history lesson of sorts, and it would feel incomplete without Pacman.
Pacman makes a lot of sense, but I would really, really rather not see him in Brawl.... I just find him so boring. The attempt to update him has just never done anything for me.
I'd love to see Hudson bring Bomberman, though, as, let's face it, it's time for a rematch between him and an already present fighter:
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 10, 2007, 03:46:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Shecky Yeah but you miss the point that the 3rd parties aren't just putting characters in to be nice here.... there are agendas and license talks, rights, rules... red tape. Also, Nintendo likely included (and will keep) both the Ice Climbers and G&W since they provide a unique twist on characters (joint pair/completely flat with stop animation)
I COMPLETELY agree that 3rd party characters should be in the game to see some benefit from it, but people pooped all over the idea when I suggested that Snake should have something on the Wii because having him in SSBB is awesome advertising.
And I think we're due for a (good) 3D remake of Belmont's Castlevania, don't you?
Post by: Janus on October 10, 2007, 04:23:59 PM
Post by: Tanookisuit on October 10, 2007, 04:25:46 PM
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You know, now with Sonic in the game, I really want Pacman and Megaman in it...badly. I know Pacman would be weird, but the game is becoming this videogame history lesson of sorts, and it would feel incomplete without Pacman.
Ugh, you people need to stop wanting Pac-Man...He's a one-hit wonder with a really, REALLY bad track record in 3D...One that's even worse than Sonic's, so NO...
No need for the tone. I'm actually getting pretty tired of the petty, overreactive nature of these boards of late. I come here at the end of my day to chat about these things with like-minded people, not be mocked and called "you people." Come on. Let's lighten up.
That said, I agree there's no way to gracefully include Pacman, I juat want him in there. I'd totally settle for a big, pixelated assist trophy.
Post by: Janus on October 10, 2007, 04:28:08 PM
Post by: Arbok on October 10, 2007, 06:03:21 PM
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Question... anyone know what the heck is happening in that last shot?
Post by: IceCold on October 10, 2007, 06:19:54 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on October 10, 2007, 06:40:42 PM
While she does not appear to be in the select screen I was so hoping for Zelda to be playable so we might have gotten a shot of what Sheik will look like, if Sheik is even present.
Post by: Caterkiller on October 10, 2007, 07:03:19 PM
Post by: Adrock on October 10, 2007, 07:11:44 PM
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Ceric wrote:
I think Simon would still be a better fit for Smash. I still think he's one of the most identifiable main characters from Castlevaina.
True that. I think most gamers can at least identify the Belmont family so if not Simon, then someone from the Belmont clan could easily be chosen. Richter has appeared the most times and most recently in Portrait of Ruin and the Rondo of blood remake, but the Belmont clan (discounting Sonya who was retconned) are pretty indistinguishable anyway. They all have basically the same moves. The whole alternate costumes thing would work really well here with, for example, Leon, Trevor, Simon, and Richter being the same Belmont character.
Then, there's always Alucard.........
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And I think we're due for a (good) 3D remake of Belmont's Castlevania, don't you?
Hmm, that's assuming Igarashi and is team somehow figured out how to make Castlevania right in 3D.
Lament and Curse weren't terrible; they were just no where near as good as the 2D games. Some 2D mechanics don't work in 3D and I think that's what they haven't realized yet.Quote
anubis6789 wrote:
While she does not appear to be in the select screen I was so hoping for Zelda to be playable so we might have gotten a shot of what Sheik will look like, if Sheik is even present.
Sheik was quietly semi-confirmed by Eiji Aonuma awhile back. He mentioned something about his artists creating Sheik and Ganondorf designs for Brawl. I'll see if I can find a link.
EDIT: Here It's at the very bottom of the interview.
Post by: anubis6789 on October 10, 2007, 07:25:49 PM
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anubis6789 wrote:
While she does not appear to be in the select screen I was so hoping for Zelda to be playable so we might have gotten a shot of what Sheik will look like, if Sheik is even present.
Sheik was quietly semi-confirmed by Eiji Aonuma awhile back. He mentioned something about his artists creating Sheik and Ganondorf designs for Brawl. I'll see if I can find a link.
EDIT: Here It's at the very bottom of the interview.
I know (in a funny twist I was actually the first to mention that interview on these boards, or at least in this thread, or the old mega thread
), I just want to see what the possibly redesigned Sheik looks like.
Post by: Caterkiller on October 10, 2007, 07:51:15 PM
Near the end when we see the characters using their new taunts, take a look at Peach. Either she has a new singing taunt or singing attack. What ever it is, judging by Bowser's dance, it will affect people, probably similiar to Jigglypuff's Sing Attack. But instead of sleeping they dance.
I also assume it could be a taunt since Luigi's taunt could also physicaly affect another player.
And what about that trophy of Dixie? (one x or two?) Im trying to study it to see if its as detalied as Diddy's, though so far her non fur shaded model is telling me "no it is just a trophy and not a trophy of her playable fighting form." Well if there is one.
Post by: Adrock on October 10, 2007, 08:12:24 PM
And I see that there's water on the Delphino Plaza stage. I really hope that you can swim in Brawl. That was really bothersome in Melee's Great Bay stage. I just couldn't understand why so many characters have been shown to swim or survive in water, yet they all just sank like rocks in Great Bay. There's a lot of gameplay possibilities by adding swimming to game even if it's only in one or a few stages.
Post by: Shecky on October 11, 2007, 12:55:21 AM
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Originally posted by: SheckyQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
0:15 - Sonic using his Spin Dash for the first time of many in the trailer...Most likely his standard B attack...
How many years did they drill the spin dash as Down+B and you think standard B attack.... for shame!
Confirmed. Bill is shamed
Post by: PaLaDiN on October 11, 2007, 12:59:21 AM
Post by: Shecky on October 11, 2007, 03:04:06 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 05:23:29 AM
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Originally posted by: SheckyQuote
Originally posted by: SheckyQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
0:15 - Sonic using his Spin Dash for the first time of many in the trailer...Most likely his standard B attack...
How many years did they drill the spin dash as Down+B and you think standard B attack.... for shame!
Confirmed. Bill is shamed
Wrong, we're both incorrect...Spin Dash is Over+B, not Down+B...
Though now I wonder how you do Sonic's Lock-on Dive attack...
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 11, 2007, 05:34:32 AM
Post by: deathstar45 on October 11, 2007, 05:47:58 AM
http://wii.ign.com/articles/826/826579p1.html
Post by: Mashiro on October 11, 2007, 05:58:57 AM
At least this SHOULD mean that it'll be as good as it will ever possibly be and nothing should be rushed.
Still extremely disappointing but we knew it was coming after it was put back on TBA watch for the release date and Japan was delayed.
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 11, 2007, 06:05:10 AM
I'll now fail all my Spring semester classes.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 11, 2007, 06:06:31 AM
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Originally posted by: IGN
While this delay is of course disappointing for the hardcore crowd, who have been dead set on getting a taste of Brawl in 2007, Harrison remained extremely optimistic on the subject, mentioning Sonic's involvement in the game, the attempt by Nintendo to reach out to top characters from around the gaming industry, and the mysterious comments Iwata made less than 24 hours ago, stating that Smash would allow gamers to share content with each other both online and off.
More Third-Party Characters Confirmed.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 11, 2007, 06:20:12 AM
Well, I think that gives the team at least 2 more solid months of development time. This should really help the game.
Post by: NinjaWang on October 11, 2007, 07:29:28 AM
Confirmed:
Costumes more than Palette swaps (Dark Link)
Norfair
Beam Sword
Metroid, Drill Dozer, and Advance Wars AT's
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 11, 2007, 07:43:20 AM
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Originally posted by: NinjaWang
Hands On
Confirmed:
Costumes more than Palette swaps (Dark Link)
Norfair
Beam Sword
Metroid, Drill Dozer, and Advance Wars AT's
Not to mention Meta Knight sounds like an amazing character. Which is great since Meta Knight is the newcomer I've been excited about the most since E3 2006.
Post by: vudu on October 11, 2007, 07:46:23 AM
QuoteScore another point for Bill.
Other attacks we've seen already include a floating Metroid that sucks onto battlers
Post by: NinjaWang on October 11, 2007, 07:51:14 AM
The costumes really got me excited, Nice to know its not just palette swaps and actual costumes/variations, interested to see what they do to each character.
Post by: Mashiro on October 11, 2007, 07:59:37 AM
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Link's new attacks lend themselves well to combat as well, as he can charge his spin attack to higher levels, pull players in with the boomerang, and seems to be stronger overall. Since each character can also switch colors pre-fight, Nintendo took the opportunity to seamlessly include Dark Link as one of the character options. He fights the same, but looks totally badass, which is a must.
I <3 you Nintendo.
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we've been told that the customization on any of the styles is endless, actually letting you move any button to any position on any control type. Sounds good to me.
I really love you Nintendo.
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This Wii version uses Melee as its foundation and builds upwards from there. The control and fighting mechanic hasn't changed a bit…but every character has had their core attacks and abilities been balanced and fine-tuned.
What I figured but glad to hear it.
Glowing impressions so far (as if there was any doubt), can't wait to try it myself ^^!
Post by: Sessha on October 11, 2007, 08:13:34 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 11, 2007, 08:23:33 AM
I'm not super worried because I'll have Sonic as a fast character one way or another, but I'm probably more curious about the balancing they've supposedly done with heavy characters than anything.
Post by: that Baby guy on October 11, 2007, 08:30:52 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 11, 2007, 08:40:27 AM
Video 1
Video 2
It's offical, character intro's have returned people. And wow does the game look great in action. The animation for all the characters is just amazing.
Post by: Caterkiller on October 11, 2007, 08:47:29 AM
Finaly the screw attack looks powerful again, its not over befor it even starts. Now we can see the "bam bam bam bam!" of it.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 08:53:27 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
OMG OMG OMG ACTUAL GAMEPLAY VIDEO!!!
Video 1
Video 2
It's offical, character intro's have returned people. And wow does the game look great in action. The animation for all the characters is just amazing.
Man, people must be attacking the servers like crazy, the pages are taking FOREVER to load!
Post by: LuigiHann on October 11, 2007, 09:01:35 AM
Is Dark Link even "not a palette swap"? Polygon-wise, he's still the same, right?
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 11, 2007, 09:02:12 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 11, 2007, 09:04:54 AM
Was that a Geemer sitting on the stage when he got the Advance Wars trophy?
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 11, 2007, 09:10:08 AM
IGN video page
So much Smash Bros goodness for one day, quick repent everyone because the world is about to end.
Post by: Mikintosh on October 11, 2007, 09:11:52 AM
PS, the game looks great graphics-wise, more than I was able to see from the screenshots uncontextualized videos from before. On the Wii I've really only played Zelda (originally for the Cube), WarioWare (not a powerhouse by any means), and Metal Slug (old, old stuff) so I was pleasantly surprised by how smooth everything is. It almost looks 360-quality, though I'm sure I'll get beaten down for that rather quickly.
P.S.S. Advance Wars? Hells yes.
Post by: NinjaWang on October 11, 2007, 09:14:18 AM
Edit: Beat me too it, but Here their embedding all videos So if you are having a problem loading those other pages go here, It was how I got it to load
Post by: Mikintosh on October 11, 2007, 09:27:30 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 11, 2007, 09:33:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Mikintosh
P.S.S.S. Green Mario = Luigi ain't coming to the party? It wouldn't traumatic, but he's a veteran for crying out loud!
You do remember that one of Mario's alternate costumes in Melee was the same thing right. So don't worry, Luigi's still in the game.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 11, 2007, 09:35:19 AM
Also, we can finally see what's under the castle. For a second I thought that we were all wrong about that Metroid stage.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 11, 2007, 09:45:20 AM
Also, this game looks just as fast if not faster than Melee...
Post by: Mikintosh on October 11, 2007, 09:45:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi DudeQuote
Originally posted by: Mikintosh
P.S.S.S. Green Mario = Luigi ain't coming to the party? It wouldn't traumatic, but he's a veteran for crying out loud!
You do remember that one of Mario's alternate costumes in Melee was the same thing right. So don't worry, Luigi's still in the game.
I thought they were Silver/Red, Blue/Red, and Yellow/Purple, but maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 09:49:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Character intros are DEFINITELY back: Yoshi pops out of an egg right at the beginning of that video when the match starts.
You can clearly see them in the two game videos links posted earlier. Mario has his warp pipe into, samus has her "door" intro, Link has his "magical warp" animation and Sonic jumps onto the stage.
I finally saw the videos and I noticed a couple of things...
1. Gameplay looks silky smooth and not twitchy, which is good
2. Did anyone noticed that the screen didn't shake at all in any of those videos? I asked because in the new Fall 2007 trailer the screen shakes like crazy. Maybe its because its a beta version and constant shaking could lock the game up.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 11, 2007, 09:50:08 AM
Until I see Dark Link, I won't be convinced it's not just a palette (or texture, really) swap. That's not the same as costumes. You can't retexture Mario to look like he's wearing a doctor's coat, but you can certainly give Link black clothes and glowing red eyes.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 11, 2007, 09:51:40 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 11, 2007, 09:52:46 AM
I guess I've no reason to care about the speed anymore: my original SSB group has LONG since dispersed and Brawl has online play so it doesn't matter.
EDIT: I might have to take that back...
The IGN videos look faster than the Gametrailer videos. Does anyone know if IGN speeds up their videos to fit more video into less time, effectively?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 09:55:23 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 11, 2007, 09:55:30 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 11, 2007, 09:59:51 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
As for the speed, I thought it looked a tad slower (then again, I only saw the duel matches from Game videos).
Watch the ones at IGN here..
I can't tell if the poorer camerawork is playing tricks on my eyes or not...
What does everyone else think? Do these vids appear slower than Melee? I'm on allergy meds right now so I'm not likely the best judge anyway.
Watching them again, I think it's the fact that there are a bunch of fast characters and lots of effects that's fooling me. I think it is a bit slower.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 10:02:50 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: pap64
As for the speed, I thought it looked a tad slower (then again, I only saw the duel matches from Game videos).
Watch the ones at IGN here..
I can't tell if the poorer camerawork is playing tricks on my eyes or not...
What does everyone else think? Do these vids appear slower than Melee? I'm on allergy meds right now so I'm not likely the best judge anyway.
Its definitely hard to tell...The Game videos videos looked a tad slower, the animation was smooth. But the IGN videos are indeed very fast and the animation is twitchy.
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 11, 2007, 10:13:27 AM
Fire Emblem 1 Commercial
Fire Emblem 6 Commercial
Around the 40 second mark to the 1 minute mark, if you listen closely I swear you can hear the womens voice hiting a high note and then the chorus singing Fire Emblem.
Seriously people, listen to the commericals and then listen closely to the video and I swear you can hear the Opera version of the song being played.
Post by: Mashiro on October 11, 2007, 10:15:38 AM
I'm a little disappointed with the Fire Emblem stage. I thought there would be free fall elements to it when the stage changed but it seems that it just changes with a transition effect.
It's nice to see the character intros return though and I envy those guys who get to play it lol.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 10:19:49 AM
This means that the speed issue will still be unsolved until we finally see it for ourselves, although I am leaning towards Brawl being the best of both worlds: slower than Melee but faster than the original.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 10:35:36 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
You forgot one:QuoteScore another point for Bill.
Other attacks we've seen already include a floating Metroid that sucks onto battlers
Hot...
"DRILL DOZER ASSIST TROPHY!"
There goes Jill as playable character...
Also it seems the mystery stage in the trailer the other day WAS a Metroid stage after-all...Hopefully there's a Metroid stage that isn't set underground, too... ='D
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 11, 2007, 10:54:17 AM
More Smash Bros
In this one we get to actually see the victory screen. It looks like the victory screen in this game is based of the N64 versions with all the characters appear on screen with the winner in front and the loser positioned by what place they got.
Post by: Mikintosh on October 11, 2007, 11:39:12 AM
And no, I don't think they're running at a different speed. I didn't notice any difference between the videos, except they used different characters for each one, which would make it harder to easily compare them.
And nice results screen!
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 12:00:10 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 11, 2007, 12:10:46 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 12:12:44 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Well looks like Power Stone 2 still has only one thing up on Brawl period with its level transitions!
Post by: Sessha on October 11, 2007, 12:12:55 PM
He'll be announced soon
Post by: Mikintosh on October 11, 2007, 12:27:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Diddy's Down+B move confirmed to be throwing banana peels...New gameplay clip...
The guy from MTV seemed to be struggling with the classic controller, which is odd since it's a lot like the Cube layout and identical to the SNES one...
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 12:41:04 PM
Post by: Shecky on October 11, 2007, 12:47:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: Shecky
How many years did they drill the spin dash as Down+B and you think standard B attack.... for shame!
Confirmed. Bill is shamed
Wrong, we're both incorrect...Spin Dash is Over+B, not Down+B...
Though now I wonder how you do Sonic's Lock-on Dive attack...
For old time sakes it seems to boil down to:
Side+B = Sonic games Down+B
Down+B(repeat) = Sonic games Down+B(repeat)
<Down Special Move: Spin Charge>
By holding the Control Stick down and tapping the special-move button, you charge up your spin and do a Spin Dash. This may feel better for some—there’s no pop.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 12:50:35 PM
Post by: stevey on October 11, 2007, 12:56:35 PM
also, Super Sonic awesome but dose anyone think it's too much like Yoshi's or Diddy Kong's FSs
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 01:01:40 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
In one of the video it appears he drill down (at an angle) but I not sure....
Yeah, that's the dive I'm talking about...
Also, 1up hands-on...Little Mac confirmed as an Assist Trophy (Man, they keep ripping out potential characters, I wonder just who WILL be a character now...), Peach Final Smash, and Norfair details!
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Princess Peach has a large screen-filling one that starts off with two mirror images of her showing up on the right and left sides, blowing a kiss of rose petals, followed by round, fuzzy peaches raining from the sky, effectively wiping out everything in sight.
Hahaha, awesome...
Post by: Shecky on October 11, 2007, 01:03:12 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
This is indeed confusing...Some of the Brawl trailers make the game look slow. Other make the game look very fast. Like I mentioned earlier the latest trailer features screen shaking like crazy while the new videos have no shaking at all.
This means that the speed issue will still be unsolved until we finally see it for ourselves, although I am leaning towards Brawl being the best of both worlds: slower than Melee but faster than the original.
There is a speed setting don't forget!
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 11, 2007, 01:14:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Also, 1up hands-on...Little Mac confirmed as an Assist Trophy (Man, they keep ripping out potential characters, I wonder just who WILL be a character now...), Peach Final Smash, and Norfair details!
King Dedede(5)
Geno(4)
Ridley(4)
Captain Olimar & Pikmin(3)
Krystal(3)
Takamaru(3)
Windwaker Link(3)
Animal Crossing MC(2)
Claus(2)
Demiru(2)
Isaac(2)
Jeff(2)
Kawashima(2)
King K.Rool(2)
Lip(2)
Mega Man(2)
Oguma(2)
Ouendan(2)
Sukapon(2)
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 01:18:50 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 11, 2007, 01:26:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I wasn't specific enough...I meant from the "obscure list," as Sakurai expressed his interest in putting in "non-popular" characters that will surprise people... ='D
Well there's still Ballon Fighter, Bubbles from Clu Clu Land, Mach Rider, and the dog from Duck Hunt. Take your pick.
Post by: Darkheart on October 11, 2007, 01:42:17 PM
AND SHAME ON ALL WHO MADE FUN OF THE LEVEL DESIGNS AND CALLED THEM BORING. . . .
Post by: Darkheart on October 11, 2007, 01:42:19 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 01:48:02 PM
(Edit: HOLY CRAP, Delfino Plaza is amazingly varied! Confirmed to be not a crappy stage! The Centurions in Pit's Final Smash also appear pretty strong...And Pikachu looks so cute in goggles... =D)
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 11, 2007, 01:54:58 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 01:55:52 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Also, 1up hands-on...Little Mac confirmed as an Assist Trophy (Man, they keep ripping out potential characters, I wonder just who WILL be a character now...), Peach Final Smash, and Norfair details!
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A&*^%$%#@$%^HEWOULDN'TKNOWAGOODCHARACTERIFITBITHIMINTHEBALL37
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9RG238YORGRGY74GBFY743GF743F7GB4Y74FB7YB8BFF4F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now if you excuse me, I have some shopping to do...
*Looks up fire ants
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 11, 2007, 02:00:40 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 02:01:41 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
*random head-bashing on keyboard*
Hey, my list of characters I wanted playable (Palutena, Lyn, and Jill) is bigger!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 02:14:52 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: pap64
*random head-bashing on keyboard*
Hey, my list of characters I wanted playable (Palutena, Lyn, and Jill) is bigger!
On the positive side, Sonic's in the game and he was my most desired character. Also, Ouendan is on the most requested list, which means they might have a chance (though I doubt it... >.<
. EDIT: I just saw the Delfino Plaza IGN video and the game now looks slower (although the guy was smashing buttons like crazy!).
It could definitely be the characters they are using. Also, Ike's moves looked very similar like Marth's moves...Replacement confirmed??
EDIT 2: The Metroid Stage video has SCREEN SHAKING!!! What the hell is going on here??????
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 11, 2007, 02:22:33 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 02:23:40 PM
Probably geothermal activity that you'd expect in a place filled with lava? =)
And at this point I'd consider Ike a Roy replacement, not a Marth replacement...
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 11, 2007, 02:37:34 PM
With Marth popular in both territories and being the star of the newest Fire Emblem game that was just announced for the DS, there's absolutely no reason for Marth to be removed now.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 02:47:41 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"The Metroid Stage video has SCREEN SHAKING!!! What the hell is going on here??????"
Probably geothermal activity that you'd expect in a place filled with lava? =)
And at this point I'd consider Ike a Roy replacement, not a Marth replacement...
The thing is that if you look at the Fall 2007 trailer there are many places in which there is screen shaking (Lylat Cruise, Shadow moses island, Bridge of Eldin all featured screen shaking). Yet the Game videos and IGN versions had no screen shaking at all.
Also, the screen shaking occurred whenever the players attacked each other.
You have to look closely at the videos I mentioned.
Post by: Ceric on October 11, 2007, 02:55:57 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 11, 2007, 03:01:36 PM
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Originally posted by: Shecky
There is a speed setting don't forget!
For real? When did we hear about that?
And yeah, RIP Little Mac.
Ouendan would be awesome, but I already have Sonic so I have no complains about the rest of the roster.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 03:10:33 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: Shecky
There is a speed setting don't forget!
For real? When did we hear about that?
And yeah, RIP Little Mac.
Ouendan would be awesome, but I already have Sonic so I have no complains about the rest of the roster.
S_B you should take a look at the new IGN videos. Not only are they slower the Metroid one has screen shaking for some reason.
This leads me to believe that...
1. Brawl may give you the option of turning certain features on and off, like screen shaking and game speed.
2. The demos used at this event may be far from finished and thus some have them, others don't.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 03:16:56 PM
7 minutes of footage at Gamespot!
~ Three different taunts confirmed!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 03:22:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
For some reason I just don't think there will be a "Turn off screen-shaking" option...
I don't know...these videos have been confusing the hell out of me. Once again, look at the Fall 2007 trailer. Then watch the new videos.
Post by: Shecky on October 11, 2007, 03:24:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: Shecky
There is a speed setting don't forget!
For real? When did we hear about that?
Well there is a speed setting here... with 3 options to pick normal, slow, and fast. Those may be for over the top adjustments but it wouldn't be out of the question to think of an in game option that adjusted the "normal" mode a bit to either be a bit more frantic or more toned down. Not to mention that SSBM had a whole slew of options for practice mode.
ALSO, they *might* be using these people playing as a focus group of sorts... messing with the speed to gauge how people play and react.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 03:32:41 PM
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Originally posted by: SheckyQuote
Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: Shecky
There is a speed setting don't forget!
For real? When did we hear about that?
Well there is a speed setting here... with 3 options to pick normal, slow, and fast. Those may be for over the top adjustments but it wouldn't be out of the question to think of an in game option that adjusted the "normal" mode a bit to either be a bit more frantic or more toned down. Not to mention that SSBM had a whole slew of options for practice mode.
ALSO, they *might* be using these people playing as a focus group of sorts... messing with the speed to gauge how people play and react.
That definitely makes sense. I mean, in his old blog Sakurai stated that some fans didn't like Melee's speed and was working on toning it down. Yet, I'm sure he knows that some fans have mastered the game using the game's speed. So maybe they ARE working on giving you the option of adjusting speeds.
After all, Street Fighter 2 had it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 03:40:43 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 03:41:33 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
SMART BOMB ITEM FROM STAR FOX CONFIRMED!
Where??
EDIT: Gamepro's Brawl impressions and video
Pay attention to this one S_B. It features Bowser!
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 03:45:11 PM
The new Kirby Urchin enemy item is also seen in the first fight!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 11, 2007, 03:49:49 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
SMART BOMB ITEM FROM STAR FOX CONFIRMED!
Where??
EDIT: Gamepro's Brawl impressions and video
Pay attention to this one S_B. It features Bowser!
Yeah for Bowser, my favorite Nintendo character.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 03:51:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I will say that I'll be very dissapointed if the titles and stats don't come back at the end of a fight.
I wouldn't worry about that...
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 11, 2007, 03:51:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
For some reason I just don't think there will be a "Turn off screen-shaking" option...
I can't see why not.
It's a pretty simple cosmetic change and would make the game a great deal easier on older eyes.
Flipping it on or off would be too easy to not offer the option.
Thanks for the video, Pap.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 03:57:00 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
For some reason I just don't think there will be a "Turn off screen-shaking" option...
I can't see why not.
It's a pretty simple cosmetic change and would make the game a great deal easier on older eyes.
Flipping it on or off would be too easy to not offer the option.
Thanks for the video, Pap.
You're welcome!
What did you think of it, though? I may be slowly going insane but I think they made Bowser faster...
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 11, 2007, 03:59:37 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 04:04:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Actually, it's a bit too small to tell (and there's a NASTY glare) but from the looks of him, he doesn't appear to be changed and he seems to be getting his ass whomped around, as is the status quo for the poor bugger, I'm afraid.
Remember, the guy said that he was getting his ass kicked due to inexperience. I mean, the story would've been different if you were playing as Bowser.
Also, it seems people are having issues with both controller options. Some think the classic controller is better, while others think the Wii mote option is actually really good. So maybe, control issues have something to do with it.
I've been watching videos all day and it seems that no one has been able to get the hang of Brawl.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 11, 2007, 04:05:01 PM
Post by: Shecky on October 11, 2007, 04:05:03 PM
Post by: Shecky on October 11, 2007, 04:06:54 PM
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For some reason I just don't think there will be a "Turn off screen-shaking" option...
7 minutes of footage at Gamespot!
~ Three different taunts confirmed!
Cool I actually called caught something early for a change!
Also there seems to be more of a scale difference between characters this time around, or maybe it's just me.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 11, 2007, 04:10:47 PM
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Ok, the guy (or CPU) playing Bowser wasn't very good...
Yeah, it looks that way.
I guess I'll finally be able to take my Bowser skillz online and get his scaly ass stomped come Feb, right?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 04:21:06 PM
Although it is MUCH higher quality, and once again, the game looks smoother.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 11, 2007, 04:26:08 PM
Maybe certain characters have just slowed down in order to create a clearer speed gradient between them and other characters.
Diddy looks hella fast, for example, but Samus and Link seem even floatier. Even Sonic looks floaty.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 04:29:34 PM
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The overall character movement looks slower than Melee.
Maybe certain characters have just slowed down in order to create a clearer speed gradient between them and other characters.
Diddy looks hella fast, for example, but Samus and Link seem even floatier. Even Sonic looks floaty.
Sakurai did say that Diddy would be a very unique character, so maybe that's the case.
Post by: Adrock on October 11, 2007, 04:30:54 PM
1. I like how the Smash Ball floats around.
2. The character portraits by the damage percentage are pretty unnecessary though I like how they become transparent so as not to block the action. Such a simple idea took some 8 years to implement...
3. Was the beam sword blue? It sure looked like it. "George Lucas is gonna sue somebody..."
4. Still haven't been able to confirm if swimming has made it in the game, but I'm assuming it hasn't. If all you could do was swim and jump, that would open up gameplay possibilities. For example, you see an item floating there in the water and you want it but you'll be a sitting duck, open to projectile attacks and opponents jumping after you to hit you right before you get the item.
5. Color palettes are back... though I'm still holding out for alternate costumes.
6. The Metroid stage has basically been exactly the same through all 3 games with lava/acid (or is that Fuel Gel?) rising/falling. You'd think they'd try something different. Lava seems to come from the sides too... but it's still all too familiar. And I know I'm nitpicking, but shouldn't everyone except Samus lose health in Norfair due to the extreme heat and lack of the Varia Suit.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 11, 2007, 04:35:00 PM
I'm curious to see how he looks...
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 04:36:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
The overall character movement looks slower than Melee.
Maybe certain characters have just slowed down in order to create a clearer speed gradient between them and other characters.
Diddy looks hella fast, for example, but Samus and Link seem even floatier. Even Sonic looks floaty.
Remember Sakurai's "I want more aerial combat" comment? This is probably how it was applied...I think it's pretty cool...
Post by: Mikintosh on October 11, 2007, 04:43:05 PM
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3. Was the beam sword blue? It sure looked like it. "George Lucas is gonna sue somebody..."
If he was going to sue, he would've done it in 1999, when they introduced the Beam Sword (in fact, I remember they took out the "whoosh" sound effect for the N64 game because they were afraid of legal action. Lucasfilms does not have the rights for it just it's blue; weren't most of the lightsabers green anyway? I'm probably wrong but...yeah.
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6. The Metroid stage has basically been exactly the same through all 3 games with lava/acid (or is that Fuel Gel?) rising/falling. You'd think they'd try something different. Lava seems to come from the sides too... but it's still all too familiar. And I know I'm nitpicking, but shouldn't everyone except Samus lose health in Norfair due to the extreme heat and lack of the Varia Suit.
1) It's the most exciting of the different ways they could represent the Metroid world, since it's mostly caves; also, one could say that the Melee stage was really just a remake of the N64 one anyway. 2) You're right, you're nitpicking. Shouldn't Bowser always be killed when he touches lava because in Super Mario Bros., that's what always happens in the castle levels? No.
Post by: Adrock on October 11, 2007, 04:50:49 PM
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Mikintosh wrote:
If he was going to sue, he would've done it in 1999, when they introduced the Beam Sword (in fact, I remember they took out the "whoosh" sound effect for the N64 game because they were afraid of legal action. Lucasfilms does not have the rights for it just it's blue; weren't most of the lightsabers green anyway? I'm probably wrong but...yeah.
Nah, you got me all wrong. The "George Lucas is gonna sue somebody..." is right from Jay and Silent Bob Strikes back, hence why I put the line in quotation marks. I simply wanted to point out the color change; I don't think Lucas would actually sue for that.
Think of how much money he'd lose if Lucas Arts lost the license to publish games on Wii and missed the biggest opportunity of having a Wii remote lightsaber game. I was also joking about Varia Suit thing... but I do think that the stage is too familiar for its own good. They definitely could've done something more original (that didn't suck as much as Brinstar Depths in Melee, apologies to anyone who liked that stage).
Post by: anubis6789 on October 11, 2007, 04:55:26 PM
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Where is the video/picture that confirms Mac as an assist?
I'm curious to see how he looks...
So am I. I hope it is not the supposed Little Mac from Super Punch-Out!! on the SNES, because he was not really Mac at all, in fact he was unnamed if I remember correctly. It better be Mac from the NES game is all I am saying.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 11, 2007, 05:09:11 PM
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So am I. I hope it is not the supposed Little Mac from Super Punch-Out!! on the SNES, because he was not really Mac at all, in fact he was unnamed if I remember correctly. It better be Mac from the NES game is all I am saying.
Or that freaky mutant they had in the recent Fight Night or whichever boxing game it was.
And yes, I too like the aerial combat focus. It makes the game overall slower yet still complex in the fact that you'll spend more time watching out for danger from all sides.
Post by: NinjaWang on October 11, 2007, 05:36:58 PM
Post by: Arbok on October 11, 2007, 07:09:32 PM
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SSBB Interview?
Nice... although, are the Final Smash items really that common? I'm kind of hoping that was for demo purposes, as they seem to come out very frequently there (almost one right after the other).
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 11, 2007, 07:11:28 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 11, 2007, 07:29:25 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 11, 2007, 08:03:38 PM
Perfect. I actually suggested that they should allow us to snap shots all the time instead of just in camera mode. We had to take so many funny shots off-screen because they happen by accident while playing, not in camera mode.
For example, little gems like this.
Post by: Sarail on October 11, 2007, 08:09:03 PM
Hmmm.. I wonder what that blurred out spot is, though?
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 11, 2007, 08:10:12 PM
What else could it be?
Post by: Adrock on October 11, 2007, 08:11:32 PM
I wonder if the blurred out option is adding captions, word bubbles or messages. I hope so... more possibilities.....
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 11, 2007, 08:11:55 PM
Post by: Adrock on October 11, 2007, 08:13:44 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 11, 2007, 08:16:31 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on October 11, 2007, 08:19:07 PM
Post by: NinjaWang on October 11, 2007, 10:47:19 PM
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SSBB Interview?
Nice... although, are the Final Smash items really that common? I'm kind of hoping that was for demo purposes, as they seem to come out very frequently there (almost one right after the other).
Well the press event is two days longs and you'd think since their common in the demo someone would try and get two of them with samus/zss. I do agree though hope its doesn't appear as often.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2007, 11:08:50 PM
Post by: Pale on October 12, 2007, 12:30:41 AM
Post by: Shecky on October 12, 2007, 01:21:11 AM
Direct SD card support is great news.... about freaking time more games start to do that.
Edit: The pink may be to send it to SSBB friends or Wii friends directly in game.
Post by: nickmitch on October 12, 2007, 02:42:18 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 12, 2007, 03:10:09 AM
That would be pretty cool, because you could just chill and laugh at some Smash Bros. Pictures.
Post by: Arbok on October 12, 2007, 06:28:02 AM
http://gamevideos.com/video/id/15372
EDIT: Does anyone hear Meta Knight talking in his victory screen? He sounds bad ass...
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 12, 2007, 07:17:20 AM
Also, I love Albino DK!
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 12, 2007, 07:58:58 AM
Bowser attends a wild party...
...And pays for it the next day.
Peach: How COULD you!? God, I can't even LOOK at you anymore?
B: I was drunk! It meant NOTHING to me, I swear!
P: You need to get help! I can't stay with you until you get HELP!
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 12, 2007, 08:01:12 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 12, 2007, 08:09:08 AM
Post by: Adrock on October 12, 2007, 09:09:35 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 12, 2007, 09:48:59 AM
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Lyrics in the Fire Emblem song...
Well it's nice to see my earlier post was ignored
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OK, I'm not to sure but everyone watching the IGN video listen very closely you can hear some of the music. Now the game says it's the Fire Emblem theme which is is but when listening closly it sounds like I can hear singing in it. And when I listen even closer it sounds a lot like the Fire Emblem Opera version of the main theme that played in FE1 and FE6's commerical.
Fire Emblem 1 Commercial
Fire Emblem 6 Commercial
Around the 40 second mark to the 1 minute mark, if you listen closely I swear you can hear the womens voice hiting a high note and then the chorus singing Fire Emblem.
Seriously people, listen to the commericals and then listen closely to the video and I swear you can hear the Opera version of the song being played.
Well at least another person has now heard people singing as well. Of course since they're using a vocal track that was released only on a Fire Emblem remix CD and used in the commercials it makes me wonder if they'll use any other vocal tracks from old Nintendo CD's.
I mean in Japan there's a lot of remixed Nintendo CD's with vocal tracks, which opens the door for some interesting choices now. Oh God I hope this means they'll use the music from the Mother commercial as well.
Mother Commercial
If this song gets in the game I will cry tears of joy.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 12, 2007, 10:18:04 AM
"Oh God I hope this means they'll use the music from the Mother commercial as well."
I have the Mother Vocal OST, and it's bloody awesome...Having the vocal tracks for Eight Melodies, Bein' Friends, and Pollyanna would be bliss...
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 12, 2007, 10:28:17 AM
GREATEST VIDEOGAME COMMERCIAL EVER!!!
Now this song would really get things going on.
Post by: Sessha on October 12, 2007, 10:48:04 AM
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I don't ignore your post, it was just with the latest video I could finally hear it! =D
"Oh God I hope this means they'll use the music from the Mother commercial as well."
I have the Mother Vocal OST, and it's bloody awesome...Having the vocal tracks for Eight Melodies, Bein' Friends, and Pollyanna would be bliss...
I've only heard the vocal Pollyanna which is great. Someone is saying in the new Famitsu has a picture of the "Rope Snake" item in use in brawl. This was an item in Mother 3 used mainly by Duster.
Mother Party Article (In japanese)
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 12, 2007, 11:34:10 AM
Post by: Sessha on October 12, 2007, 02:19:53 PM
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Bein' Friends Vocal Version
Domo Arigatou Gozaimasu you wonderful Japanophile you
Post by: LuigiHann on October 12, 2007, 02:59:09 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 12, 2007, 03:28:47 PM
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If they're going to include vocal songs...
I totally forgot about that song!
...OH OH OH!
Wouldn't it be awesome if Brawl had the SD card MP3 feature, like Excite Truck? That would be taking the "My music" feature even further!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 12, 2007, 04:01:14 PM
Post by: Caterkiller on October 12, 2007, 07:06:53 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 13, 2007, 04:03:45 AM
Post by: Caterkiller on October 13, 2007, 05:28:02 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 13, 2007, 06:10:46 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 13, 2007, 06:30:13 AM
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I notice once again Yoshi is riding someones back. Has anyone else noticed this from other characters? I suspect this maybe a new special move of his, maybe while standing and he pounds the ground he rides your back and controles you. Basicly doing to everyone else what they use to do to him.
I'm guessing it's his footstool jump, but I could be wrong.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 13, 2007, 07:38:09 AM
This was how the stage looked like before the playable demos:
Even when the new features have been announced they are still working on them!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 13, 2007, 09:12:56 AM
Post by: Adrock on October 13, 2007, 10:36:02 AM
Now I'm confused. I thought HAL Labs wasn't developing the game and that the development team was still a secret for who knows why. Is HAL the real developer and they kept it a secret for no reason whatsoever? Maybe HAL getting co-development credit for handing over Melee's code and other production materials? If HAL Labs happens to be the developer (which is fine, don't get me wrong), it just seems totally unnecessary that they'd keep it a secret.... though what was all this about?
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 13, 2007, 10:58:41 AM
Edit: Rope snake in action!
Post by: Adrock on October 13, 2007, 11:57:12 AM
That rope snake is awesome! Rope snake + Mario's pained yelp from Mario Kart DS* = hilarity
*best voice sample ever... I hope they reuse it
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 13, 2007, 12:06:00 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 13, 2007, 02:01:31 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 13, 2007, 02:07:23 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion Perhaps they'll have a secret character of their own?
I kinda figured Kirby and Metaknight were their contributions.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 13, 2007, 02:12:31 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on October 13, 2007, 02:47:47 PM
But I wonder, if the game says (C) 2007 Nintendo/ HAL Laboratory Inc. then maybe Sakurai has rejoined HAL and Sora has been absorbed. Although that is improbable.
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I'm surprised no one has brought this up. The Yoshi's Island stage has been updated. The stage now features two chain chomps on each side of the stage.
This was how the stage looked like before the playable demos:
Even when the new features have been announced they are still working on them!
This happened a lot during Melee's development as well. Some trophies were changed, I believe that the Brinstar stage was changed, and I believe a few of the characters moves were changed. That said remember that the Yoshi's Island stage is supposed to have a season based rotation and the video you saw may have only shown one of the season based versions of the stage, and also keep in mind they may not have had the changing effect completely ready for the demo. That is not to say that the stage may/probably have/has been changed.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 13, 2007, 03:03:47 PM
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This happened a lot during Melee's development as well. Some trophies were changed, I believe that the Brinstar stage was changed, and I believe a few of the characters moves were changed. That said remember that the Yoshi's Island stage is supposed to have a season based rotation and the video you saw may have only shown one of the season based versions of the stage, and also keep in mind they may not have had the changing effect completely ready for the demo. That is not to say that the stage may/probably have/has been changed.
That's weird, I could've sworn I saw a gameplay video in which they played on the Yoshi stage and the stage change d seaons.
Post by: anubis6789 on October 13, 2007, 03:09:51 PM
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This happened a lot during Melee's development as well. Some trophies were changed, I believe that the Brinstar stage was changed, and I believe a few of the characters moves were changed. That said remember that the Yoshi's Island stage is supposed to have a season based rotation and the video you saw may have only shown one of the season based versions of the stage, and also keep in mind they may not have had the changing effect completely ready for the demo. That is not to say that the stage may/probably have/has been changed.
That's weird, I could've sworn I saw a gameplay video in which they played on the Yoshi stage and the stage change d seaons.
Well in that case you are right and they have changed the stage
.I should have mentioned it in my earlier blurb but I have not seen any video being played on Yoshi's Island so I was speculating from a position of ignorance, and as such was unaware of any seasonal changes they may have occurred and was thinking that the reason for a stage hazard to appear may have been something along the lines of each season having its own obstacles.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 13, 2007, 03:31:32 PM
New tidbits!
~ Screw Attack will stick to your chest so you can grab another item and still use the Screw Attack.
~ If you do a dodge in the air, you can still do a jump afterwards
~ Sin & Punishment Assist Trophy. She shoots and slashes at whoever is closest to her. (Sounds like Airan)
(I think the guy who wrote the article confused Sonic's Up+B with a new item, though it CAN be used by other players...And he needs to play more Star Fox, apparently...And Pokemon...And I assume "Poison Flower" is Lip's Stick...Come on guy, learn some Nintendo...)
Okay, I think the new Pokemon he described are, in order:
~ Kyogre (seen in the Dojo clip)
~ Latios/Latias
~ Torchic (also seen in the Dojo clip)
~ Piplup
Also, finally some info on Zero Suit Samus' Final Smash:
"Finally, Zero Suit Samus's Final Smash is just getting her suit back and also radiating a lot of energy around her that will hurt you, but won't do significant damage."
Post by: wandering on October 13, 2007, 04:42:22 PM
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Also, finally some info on Zero Suit Samus' Final Smash:
"Finally, Zero Suit Samus's Final Smash is just getting her suit back and also radiating a lot of energy around her that will hurt you, but won't do significant damage."
I thought you could only perform a Final Smash once per match?
...
You know what I've discovered? Reading the Japanese site (translated by google) is much more fun than reading the english site.
English:
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While playing the game, you might encounter an interesting situation. At times like this, you must PAUSE!
If that pause in the action makes for an interesting shot that you wish you could keep, then by all means, do so. Take a SNAAAAAAAPSHOT!
Japanese:
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Game playing in the interesting aspects entered.
That is when POZU! !
And! The static screen image that has been interesting! !
This is a take it with a caveat. Badly.
That is when SUNAPPUSHOTTO! !
Post by: anubis6789 on October 13, 2007, 05:47:53 PM
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Also, finally some info on Zero Suit Samus' Final Smash:
"Finally, Zero Suit Samus's Final Smash is just getting her suit back and also radiating a lot of energy around her that will hurt you, but won't do significant damage."
That sounds like the Crystal Flash from Super Metroid to me.
Post by: Caterkiller on October 13, 2007, 07:16:35 PM
I have been keeping my eyes locked on anything Lucas does in the video's we've been given so far to see if he is a Ness clone or not. But of course the development team is being very smart about it, and the only thing we can clearly see him do is very nondescript walking and jumping.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 13, 2007, 07:30:16 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 13, 2007, 07:48:55 PM
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I thought you could only perform a Final Smash once per match?
No, you're thinking of Gummi Berry juice, and that's once per day for humans.
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 14, 2007, 12:10:36 AM
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I thought you could only perform a Final Smash once per match?
You have to remember each character can only do one per match. When Samus becomes Zero Suit she becomes a completely different character. That's why she can use it again because she's not Samus anymore, but after Zero Suit uses her Final Smash to turn back into Samus she won't be able to become Zero Suit again because Samus is now unable to do the Final Smash since she already used it once to become Zero Suit in the first place.
Post by: Darkheart on October 14, 2007, 04:02:52 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering
I thought you could only perform a Final Smash once per match?
You have to remember each character can only do one per match. When Samus becomes Zero Suit she becomes a completely different character. That's why she can use it again because she's not Samus anymore, but after Zero Suit uses her Final Smash to turn back into Samus she won't be able to become Zero Suit again because Samus is now unable to do the Final Smash since she already used it once to become Zero Suit in the first place.
Hence why I cant wait for Zeldas/Shiek's~!
I hope Zelda summons the sages or the goddess's or something close to Pit. . .
Post by: Spunky HePanda on October 14, 2007, 08:10:09 AM
Yes, I registered just to say that.
Post by: Arbok on October 14, 2007, 08:50:50 AM
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You have to remember each character can only do one per match.
Actually, Pit does two Smash Attacks in this video... same life too:
http://www.gamespot.com/video/928518/
Again, I'm also really, really hoping that the frequency of Smash Balls was increased simply for demo purposes and this isn't reflective of the "default" setting in the final game.
Post by: Adrock on October 14, 2007, 10:19:32 AM
Post by: Ceric on October 14, 2007, 11:22:15 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 14, 2007, 11:42:03 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 14, 2007, 11:59:47 AM
Gardevoir caught in motion! (Check out the recent two vids on IGN)
Post by: Arbok on October 14, 2007, 12:42:22 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 14, 2007, 01:01:22 PM
I say he's been doping.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 14, 2007, 01:30:17 PM
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Can anyone tell what Gardevoir actually does? Looks like we have seen her before too... just didn't know that she was the one making that aura.
The barrier keeps out all projectile/thrown weapons...
Post by: Shecky on October 14, 2007, 02:47:34 PM
Post by: Arbok on October 14, 2007, 03:09:48 PM
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What move would that be then? Reflect?
Or Light Screen.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 14, 2007, 03:13:41 PM
Edit: The latest IGN video confirms that Nate Bihldorf has been the one translating Sakurai's messages for the Dojo...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 14, 2007, 04:24:37 PM
It's apparent Sonic would have a fighting chance only if he was modeled after the greatest warrior in the Universe.
Now I fear Nintendo has ruined the game by not including Captain Falcon. Cuz they like giving bad-finger to traditional gamers like that.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 14, 2007, 04:34:13 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 14, 2007, 04:41:34 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 14, 2007, 04:53:35 PM
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I just don't think it's reasonable to balance a character around the notion that the character is incomplete without the benefit of an external source.
I just saw the Bowser videos on IGN and DAMN did they give the big lug some love.
I love his toward+B move because it not only allows him to slam players but it can be a guaranteed kill if you're willing to sacrifice yourself.And his moves are DEFINITELY faster, and we know Brawl is slightly slower so it looks like they buffed the hell out of him. Maybe there's hope for the heavies in this game after all...
Yes, he's bigger, and yes he's a bigger target, but considering most of his moves use his body as the weapon, I think it might just balance out.
Post by: anubis6789 on October 14, 2007, 04:54:11 PM
Personally though I think Bowser should have "super armor" on at all times making him kind of like The Juggernaut in the Vs. series, I could cause some damage with that guy back in the day.
If Ridley is a selectable character I think I may make him my main just because.
Interestingly enough is the fact that if you buy the first diorama in MP3 you can notice that Ridley is really not that much bigger than Samus, at least in his prime version, but that is only interesting if you think that Ridley is too big to be selectable.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 14, 2007, 05:01:48 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 14, 2007, 05:22:42 PM
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Post by: Arbok on October 14, 2007, 08:03:21 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 14, 2007, 08:17:58 PM
Post by: Sessha on October 14, 2007, 08:22:50 PM
This probably confirms that Pokey will make an appearance in Brawl.
I just realized you can see him holding baloons, I must have really bad eyesight.
Post by: Mashiro on October 14, 2007, 08:42:16 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 14, 2007, 09:25:06 PM
The first really big stage is a Mother stage, what a massive turn-on...Holy crap...
Edit: If no one minds being spoiled, you can find the original designs for New Pork City and the Ultimate Chimera here...They did a great job on both!
(Oh, and also the Rope Snake that Lucas is using in that previous screen...)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 14, 2007, 09:37:55 PM
Post by: Ceric on October 15, 2007, 01:48:39 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 15, 2007, 02:43:35 AM
You know, the area you just cannot be smashed directly out of and need to be ricocheted.
And they better not give Pokey a spot in Brawl...
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 15, 2007, 03:19:36 AM
For a larger stage, it most certainly makes more sense for it to work like this so people can fall through pits in the middle of the stage...That way you avoid the problem that Hyrule Temple had with it being really hard to knock off your opponent...
Post by: Sessha on October 15, 2007, 03:21:44 AM
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This stage doesn't replace the temple unless it has "The Cave of Invincibility" somewhere in it.
You know, the area you just cannot be smashed directly out of and need to be ricocheted.
And they better not give Pokey a spot in Brawl...
I wouldn't worry about Pokey being a character in Brawl. I can see him making an appearance in the Subspace Emissary but not a playable character.
This is small speculation but in Mother 3 you could shut off the Ultimate Chimera, you can see the switch in one of the pictures (The bird turns him back on again) so you should be able to do it in Brawl.
Post by: Mario on October 15, 2007, 03:22:48 AM
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I'm back to my original worry. With Ness's old stage you fought on the road,the awning, and roofs. This one is thankfully a larger stage BUT we are still fighting in front of a back drop. Which is becoming far to common with these stages for my liking. Why am I not duking it out in the city itself?
Super Smash Bros is 2D
Post by: LuigiHann on October 15, 2007, 07:13:48 AM
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Originally posted by: MarioQuote
Originally posted by: Ceric
I'm back to my original worry. With Ness's old stage you fought on the road,the awning, and roofs. This one is thankfully a larger stage BUT we are still fighting in front of a back drop. Which is becoming far to common with these stages for my liking. Why am I not duking it out in the city itself?
Super Smash Bros is 2D
Well, compare this to the temple stage in Melee. In that stage, yes, the majority of the temple was in the background, but the parts you fought on were still parts of the temple. Here, if you look at the screenshots, the upper platforms are all little floating rectangles.
Post by: Adrock on October 15, 2007, 07:44:45 AM
Pokey should most definitely be a boss, if not a playable character. If we're talking Mother 3, his boss battle should involve the Absolutely Safe Machine somehow.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 15, 2007, 07:51:21 AM
Has this been confirmed to be a moving level like "Rumble falls"?
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 15, 2007, 08:28:54 AM
Post by: Ceric on October 15, 2007, 08:43:24 AM
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"Why am I not duking it out in the city itself?"
For a larger stage, it most certainly makes more sense for it to work like this so people can fall through pits in the middle of the stage...That way you avoid the problem that Hyrule Temple had with it being really hard to knock off your opponent...
This stage I'll give because of its sheer size. Back to what was mentioned before, we're still on nebulous platforms. Though I hope we could possible get a cool stage where we are fighting on a traffic jam of flying cars or between ships in an air battle.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 15, 2007, 08:51:08 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 15, 2007, 12:13:11 PM
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I'm pretty confident that Big Blue will be remade in some form...I mean, there really aren't too many ways to design an F-Zero stage!
I want to fight in the bar from the F-Zero GX cutscenes, with various racers sitting at the bar and the Bio Rex passed out drunk in the corner.
Or the Phantom Road would do nicely as well...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 15, 2007, 12:40:27 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 15, 2007, 08:18:40 PM
I never thought Homerun contest would be good enough to make it online! The team's going all out!
Post by: Mashiro on October 15, 2007, 11:03:07 PM
Good stuff! =)
Post by: PaLaDiN on October 15, 2007, 11:15:01 PM
God's wounds... stab me, Sakurai; stab me through the heart.
I'm also blaming online for the delay. I hope you're all satisfied. "But PaLaDiN, if they add an utterly useless online mode nobody loses out!"
Post by: ShyGuy on October 16, 2007, 01:57:11 AM
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I'm also blaming online for the delay. I hope you're all satisfied. "But PaLaDiN, if they add an utterly useless online mode nobody loses out!"
Lol, at least your consisten Paladin.
Post by: Louieturkey on October 16, 2007, 02:17:01 AM
I personally love this that the homerun contest is online and co-op and competition. They seem to be fleshing everything out that was in melee plus adding other features. Maybe they'll have online co-op and competition challenges as well instead of the single player ones they had in melee. That would be whole lots of fun.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 16, 2007, 02:36:05 AM
Post by: Ceric on October 16, 2007, 02:37:05 AM
Now what gets me on this update is that they put STADIUM: Home Run Contest as the Title. Which indicates that Home Run Contest is really a sub-title if that is the case I wonder what else they have cooked up. Maybe even a full rivalry with Mario and Sonic Olympics...
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 16, 2007, 06:04:06 AM
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Competative 2 player Break the Targets would be interesting.
You'd have to design the stages around it, but competitive target breaking could be really great.
Post by: HadesGigas on October 16, 2007, 08:08:30 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Personally if I was the developer very early I would want to have a proof of concept for the online modes that are being proposed but, I wouldn't want to go through the trouble of doing a full implementation with all the variables. I want something controlled say like the Home Run Contest. I lot of the major things are in it but it doesn't have things like a swarm of items. OOnce I learned from that I probably start back from scratch implementing it for everything else.
Now what gets me on this update is that they put STADIUM: Home Run Contest as the Title. Which indicates that Home Run Contest is really a sub-title if that is the case I wonder what else they have cooked up. Maybe even a full rivalry with Mario and Sonic Olympics...
Well the other Stadium stuff from Melee like Target Test and
Post by: Ceric on October 16, 2007, 09:03:55 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 16, 2007, 07:12:41 PM
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Originally posted by: insanolord
To paraphrase Miyamoto, an all-time great game is all-time great forever, if you delay it it can eventually become literally perfect.
That's not what he said at all. He said, "A delayed game is eventually good. A bad game is bad forever."
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Post by: HadesGigas on October 16, 2007, 08:47:13 PM
Also, the coin is a koban, currency used in the Edo period in Japan. Not sure why it's trying to be mysterious about it. Maybe cause they don't want to bother explaining that Meowth is based on a Maneki Neko?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 16, 2007, 08:55:16 PM
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There is only one Meowth in the anime that speaks and many others that only say Meowth, it'll say Meowth.
Also, the coin is a koban, currency used in the Edo period in Japan. Not sure why it's trying to be mysterious about it. Maybe cause they don't want to bother explaining that Meowth is based on a Maneki Neko?
I think it is Sakurai being insane again because like I said it appears it says a similar thing on the Japanese side referring to how foreigners say it.
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Post by: Ceric on October 17, 2007, 03:56:54 AM
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Interesting thought: in SSB 64 and Melee, the Pokemon were all given their voices from the anime. I wonder if Meowth will speak.
Only if it is the Team Rocket Meowth in specific. All the others could not speak. They even had a show at one point that gave the backstory of why he could speak.
I like to have Dragonite and Farfetch'd.
Post by: Kairon on October 17, 2007, 04:30:32 AM
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/golfclap for Meowth
Meowth is awesome. You are heartless.
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Post by: LuigiHann on October 17, 2007, 07:46:14 AM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHann
Interesting thought: in SSB 64 and Melee, the Pokemon were all given their voices from the anime. I wonder if Meowth will speak.
Only if it is the Team Rocket Meowth in specific. All the others could not speak. They even had a show at one point that gave the backstory of why he could speak.
I like to have Dragonite and Farfetch'd.
Well, Pikachu seems to be THE Pikachu (maybe) so this could be that Meowth. But I guess we'll see.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 17, 2007, 08:49:57 AM
Personally, I am quite disappointed Meowth isn't playable. I would have rather had Meowth playable than jigglypuff.
I am also upset that Pikachu's Smash Ball attack isn't evolving into Rychu or however you spell it. Perhaps they will do that with Jigglypuff if she is still in the game.
But it would have been pretty cool and epic to have Meowth playable and be the Team Rocket version and then Pikachu Playable.
Post by: EasyCure on October 17, 2007, 11:40:20 AM
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Pikachu isn't the only Pikachu...he has fought other Pikachu before...actually an evolved Pikachu for sure.
Personally, I am quite disappointed Meowth isn't playable. I would have rather had Meowth playable than jigglypuff.
I am also upset that Pikachu's Smash Ball attack isn't evolving into Rychu or however you spell it. Perhaps they will do that with Jigglypuff if she is still in the game.
But it would have been pretty cool and epic to have Meowth playable and be the Team Rocket version and then Pikachu Playable.
Team Rocket woulda made for a cool clone to the pokemon trainer
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 17, 2007, 11:55:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I am also upset that Pikachu's Smash Ball attack isn't evolving into Rychu or however you spell it. Perhaps they will do that with Jigglypuff if she is still in the game.
Pokemon can't devolve...
Post by: nickmitch on October 17, 2007, 12:41:59 PM
Post by: wandering on October 17, 2007, 04:11:12 PM
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Originally posted by: CericQuote
Originally posted by: LuigiHann
Interesting thought: in SSB 64 and Melee, the Pokemon were all given their voices from the anime. I wonder if Meowth will speak.
Only if it is the Team Rocket Meowth in specific. All the others could not speak. They even had a show at one point that gave the backstory of why he could speak.
Wasn't that particular episode a musical?
God, why do I know that?
Post by: NinjaWang on October 17, 2007, 05:50:57 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 17, 2007, 06:30:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Dirk TemporoQuote
Originally posted by: insanolord
To paraphrase Miyamoto, an all-time great game is all-time great forever, if you delay it it can eventually become literally perfect.
That's not what he said at all. He said, "A delayed game is eventually good. A bad game is bad forever."
Yes, I know what he said. I was making a joke regarding the delay of Brawl by changing the words of it (and inadvertently putting the two parts in reverse). You see, I was indicating that the game would be all-time great if they released it on schedule, and suggesting the goal of the delay
was to make the game literally perfect.
Post by: IceCold on October 17, 2007, 07:06:15 PM
What the hell kind of emoticon is that?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 17, 2007, 08:05:51 PM
Little Mac assist trophy update. They used NES L.Mac and he is small!
Post by: anubis6789 on October 17, 2007, 08:19:05 PM
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Post by: Mashiro on October 17, 2007, 08:29:02 PM
I was expecting an 8 bit version TBH lol . . . seeing him rendered in 3D makes me want him as a playable character ::tear::. Little Mac, I shall always have massive respect for you!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 17, 2007, 08:35:01 PM
Post by: Crimm on October 17, 2007, 08:40:03 PM
SAKURAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Post by: anubis6789 on October 18, 2007, 12:15:06 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
I don't know why but I think the updates are going to be boring now that the Sonic megaton has been dropped...How can they top that?
It is not just Sonic being confirmed that is probably making you feel this way, just think about a few of the other "big" announcements that happened before:
four control methods
ZSS being a transformation of Samus (considering that it sent a good portion of the internet into a hissy fit)
Subspace Emissary
Pokemon Trainer
confirmation of Online
Snake's reunvailing
After all that what more could there be?
I cannot think of anything more gargantuan then those things that I listed, I mean I am trying to to think of something but nothing comes to mind. Maybe voice chat, but that is more like "My Music" in that it is not needed but would be cool. I do not think that Mega Man would be that earth-shattering either because we are kind of expecting him, and really Sonic was on the top of almost everyone's list and with him confirmed any other third party character may kind of seem "meh". A Square-Enix character could cause some controversy bigger than ZSS being a transformation but that would depend on both "if" and "who".
I am with you in the belief that we have seen all the "big stuff", but I do not think any of the lesser stuff is boring, just not as exciting.
Post by: Ceric on October 18, 2007, 03:14:17 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
I don't know why but I think the updates are going to be boring now that the Sonic megaton has been dropped...How can they top that?
It is not just Sonic being confirmed that is probably making you feel this way, just think about a few of the other "big" announcements that happened before:
four control methods
ZSS being a transformation of Samus (considering that it sent a good portion of the internet into a hissy fit)
Subspace Emissary
Pokemon Trainer
confirmation of Online
Snake's reunvailing
After all that what more could there be?
I cannot think of anything more gargantuan then those things that I listed, I mean I am trying to to think of something but nothing comes to mind. Maybe voice chat, but that is more like "My Music" in that it is not needed but would be cool. I do not think that Mega Man would be that earth-shattering either because we are kind of expecting him, and really Sonic was on the top of almost everyone's list and with him confirmed any other third party character may kind of seem "meh". A Square-Enix character could cause some controversy bigger than ZSS being a transformation but that would depend on both "if" and "who".
I am with you in the belief that we have seen all the "big stuff", but I do not think any of the lesser stuff is boring, just not as exciting.
Tron Bonne instead of Megaman w/ servbots?
Post by: Louieturkey on October 18, 2007, 03:14:50 AM
He does look awesome though. I'm still hoping for a new Wii Punch Out game and this gives me just a teensy bit more hope, especially since the model is in 3d.
Post by: Tanookisuit on October 18, 2007, 04:00:05 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 18, 2007, 04:02:05 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
I don't know why but I think the updates are going to be boring now that the Sonic megaton has been dropped...How can they top that?
A Marin Assist Trophy would be the best update megaton ever...for me!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 18, 2007, 07:24:33 AM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789Quote
Originally posted by: pap64
I don't know why but I think the updates are going to be boring now that the Sonic megaton has been dropped...How can they top that?
It is not just Sonic being confirmed that is probably making you feel this way, just think about a few of the other "big" announcements that happened before:
four control methods
ZSS being a transformation of Samus (considering that it sent a good portion of the internet into a hissy fit)
Subspace Emissary
Pokemon Trainer
confirmation of Online
Snake's reunvailing
After all that what more could there be?
I cannot think of anything more gargantuan then those things that I listed, I mean I am trying to to think of something but nothing comes to mind. Maybe voice chat, but that is more like "My Music" in that it is not needed but would be cool. I do not think that Mega Man would be that earth-shattering either because we are kind of expecting him, and really Sonic was on the top of almost everyone's list and with him confirmed any other third party character may kind of seem "meh". A Square-Enix character could cause some controversy bigger than ZSS being a transformation but that would depend on both "if" and "who".
I am with you in the belief that we have seen all the "big stuff", but I do not think any of the lesser stuff is boring, just not as exciting.
I agree that the Square character could be BIG news depending on who they choose. If they choose Geno fans will go crazy go nuts. If they choose Sora fans will probably throw the biggest fit the internet has ever seen. If I am not mistaken there are already fans writing petitions to keep him OUT of the game. Hell, as much as I love the character I don't want him being Square's sole representative since they have so many things to choose from, especially from Dragon quest and Final Fantasy.
Post by: Adrock on October 18, 2007, 10:12:29 AM
I know this doesn't go for anyone except me, but playable Palutena would be bigger than Sonic since I'm not expecting her to be playable. What a waste of a perfectly good character, and a female one at that. I thought they were looking into including more female characters. She's relegated to the background of Pit's Final Smash.
And I know people oppose Cloud being included, but he would be bigger than Sonic. No one is expecting him to be there and he's arguably more popular than Sonic.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 18, 2007, 10:30:06 AM
If Square contributes, I expect a Moogle: they've been the icon of the FF universe forever.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 18, 2007, 10:48:23 AM
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Crappy quality video of some footage at E for All...Looks pretty chaotic, and the Golden Hammer is insane!
UUUUUUUUGGGGGAAARRRRGH!!!!!
There's screen shaking in this version!!!! Make up your mind Sakurai!
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 18, 2007, 01:29:08 PM
Samus: Dark suit/red visor, Fusion suit
Sonic: "recolors of blue" (Not really sure what that means, to be honest...)
Fox: Star Wolf outfit
Diddy: Dixie Kong outfit without the hair (Haha, what!?)
Bowser: has a golden costume, made out of gold
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 18, 2007, 02:03:15 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 18, 2007, 02:20:17 PM
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New Assiist Trophy I saw:
Saki from Sin and Punishment: Successors to the Earth. He follows you and shoots you and if you get close he takes out his sword to slash you. By following, from what I observed is that he moves up and down platforms... not sure if he gets closer or not.
Impressions from GameFaqs...Looks like Destructoid confused Saki for a girl! (Tsk, tsk...)
Edit: Link VS Fox @ Pokemon Stadium 2
My God the Landmaster is HUGE...HUGE! And I love the wireframe effect when it ends...
Link VS Fox @ Lylat Cruise
Just, wow...What a gorgeous stage...Fox's intro is also being dropped off by his Arwing, which is a lovely match...(And LOL at Fox getting the Superspicy Curry!)
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I like the presentation of choosing between them!
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Post by: Bill Aurion on October 18, 2007, 04:38:12 PM
(Looks like Mario DOES meet up with Pit, nice stuff...)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 18, 2007, 04:45:56 PM
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Pit's Adventure Mode!
(Looks like Mario DOES meet up with Pit, nice stuff...)
I sure hope that music stays far away from the final game!
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 18, 2007, 04:49:32 PM
(You do realize that the music isn't actually a part of video, right?)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 18, 2007, 04:51:01 PM
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You will be disappointed...
(You do realize that the music isn't actually a part of video, right?)
Yeah I know which is why it needs to stay FAR FAR away from Smash Brothers. It better not make it in or I will have to kill someone after hearing that song again!
Edit: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. My ears bleed now, thanks alot
Post by: Adrock on October 18, 2007, 04:53:12 PM
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I sure hope that music stays far away from the final game!
That music has been confirmed on the official site for some time now.
EDIT: Whoops... beat me to it. The video is cool though that look Pit and Mario give each other.... I thought they were going to make out or something.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 18, 2007, 08:12:47 PM
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Siren's lured peope to their doom not put them to sleep. I wonder if you would really have time to eat all of the peaches before anyone woke up
Ooops, but she looks like she is possessed, her eyes are freaky when she does her final smash.
Post by: Kairon on October 18, 2007, 08:12:58 PM
Post by: Adrock on October 18, 2007, 08:13:08 PM
The peaches looks like scans of real peaches.
Pretty weak Final Smash. They could've referenced her (menstrual) mood swings from Super Princess Peach.
Post by: Kairon on October 18, 2007, 08:14:03 PM
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Siren's lured peope to their doom not put them to sleep. I wonder if you would really have time to eat all of the peaches before anyone woke up
Ooops, but she looks like she is possessed, her eyes are freaky when she does her final smash.
That's the Mario Striker's Charged effect. Oh yeah. *pumps fist*
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 18, 2007, 08:15:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Sessha
Siren's lured peope to their doom not put them to sleep. I wonder if you would really have time to eat all of the peaches before anyone woke up
Ooops, but she looks like she is possessed, her eyes are freaky when she does her final smash.
That's the Mario Striker's Charged effect. Oh yeah. *pumps fist*
Peach is possessed by both the Sandman and the devil!
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Post by: Sessha on October 18, 2007, 08:43:11 PM
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Peach's character is sexist enough, they don't need to throw more fuel on the fire.
I don't know about that, she's capable of fighting now I would say it was more sexist when she was just the damsel in distress.
Post by: HadesGigas on October 18, 2007, 09:39:14 PM
Mood swings would have been welcome among them.
Post by: Kairon on October 18, 2007, 09:47:47 PM
... Gardening is MANLY! What could be more manly than moving around heaps of dirt and forcing life to exist according to YOUR rules and patterns? What could be more masculine than lording it over a domain, everything arrayed just as you decree, everything fed only by your say-so? Besides! Miyamoto gardens!
Post by: LuigiHann on October 18, 2007, 10:10:41 PM
I'm guessing that this knocks people out longer than, say, a Pokemon move, so you can hopefully do a considerable amount of damage before people start waking up.
Post by: Ceric on October 19, 2007, 04:42:07 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on October 19, 2007, 04:50:02 AM
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It would have been better if Peach would have eyes.
I thought that at first too, but then I realized her pupils just turned yellow. It's the same "fire in their eyes" effect that all the characters get when they final smash, but it looks stranger on her for some reason.
Post by: Zach on October 19, 2007, 06:31:12 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 19, 2007, 07:22:03 AM
Also, you have to consider the balance between offensive and defensive (Peach having the ability to heal herself with her Final Smash...)
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Post by: Mashiro on October 19, 2007, 11:45:18 AM
Please come to the castle, I have baked a cake for you.
Yours Truly,
Princess Toadstool
Peach"
Post by: LuigiHann on October 19, 2007, 12:34:10 PM
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"Dear Mario,
Please come to the castle, I have baked a cake for you.
Yours Truly,
Princess Toadstool
Peach"
Yeah, that. It also leaves the possibility that "Princess Toadstool" is her title, rather than her name. Whatever.
Post by: Sessha on October 19, 2007, 01:07:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
"Dear Mario,
Please come to the castle, I have baked a cake for you.
Yours Truly,
Princess Toadstool
Peach"
Yeah, that. It also leaves the possibility that "Princess Toadstool" is her title, rather than her name. Whatever.
I'm pretty sure that was a choice by the translation team as well. They used both names. I think in Super Mario RPG when Peach is eaten by Belome he says "Tastes Peachy" or something to that effect.
Post by: Mashiro on October 19, 2007, 01:18:52 PM
I always like how she said "Peach!" at the end. In Mario 64 . . .
Post by: Ceric on October 19, 2007, 03:14:37 PM
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Toadstool was Peach's butchered localized name, like Dr. Robotnik. They changed it to Toadstool to match the Mushroom Kingdom motif.
But Dr. Robotnik is a better name then Toadstool. Though I always thought that with Dr. Robotnik it was Dr. Eggman Robotnik because when we first started getting him called Eggman it didn't include the Doctor portion until later.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 19, 2007, 03:22:17 PM
Post by: Arbok on October 19, 2007, 04:39:57 PM
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Swimming mechanic found in this vid, don't know if that has been brought up yet...
Mario's stage just got even cooler...
Now, has anyone heard what DK's Final Smash is? Still waiting for that to be mentioned somewhere...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 19, 2007, 05:09:22 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Swimming mechanic found in this vid, don't know if that has been brought up yet...
Mario's stage just got even cooler...
Now, has anyone heard what DK's Final Smash is? Still waiting for that to be mentioned somewhere...
Its been confirmed ages ago.
Post by: Arbok on October 19, 2007, 05:25:41 PM
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Its been confirmed ages ago.
Wow, my brain's just not working today. I meant Ike... but I have no idea why I typed DK out (there is a k in both of them I gues... *runs off*).
Although, in that vein, I would like to see a video of DK's final smash in action.
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Originally posted by: pap64
Its been confirmed ages ago.
Wow, my brain's just not working today. I meant Ike... but I have no idea why I typed DK out (there is a k in both of them I gues... *runs off*).
Although, in that vein, I would like to see a video of DK's final smash in action.
Ike is apparently pronounced "ee-kay," which rhymes with DK. Ha.
Post by: wandering on October 19, 2007, 08:24:31 PM
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Swimming mechanic found in this vid, don't know if that has been brought up yet...
Excellent. The fact that water was so deadly in Melee really annoyed me.
Is it too much to hope that, in addition to this, they've made it so Goldeen does something useful if she winds up in water?
Post by: Ceric on October 20, 2007, 01:46:32 AM
Post by: Arbok on October 20, 2007, 04:17:07 AM
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26687.html
Shows what happens to "the other princess" ;_;
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 20, 2007, 04:27:03 AM
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Wow, my brain's just not working today. I meant Ike... but I have no idea why I typed DK out (there is a k in both of them I gues... *runs off*).
Ike's involves him knocking a player high up, then jumping up after them, performing a series of sword combos (akin to what Link does), and finally pulling his sword back and slamming them back down into the ground...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 20, 2007, 09:40:08 AM
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Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2007, 12:53:13 PM
So far, my favorite Final Smash is Ike's. It's like Link's but better.
Post by: Arbok on October 20, 2007, 02:05:26 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Video of all the Final Smashes seen at E for All.
Awesome... although DK's Smash looks to... well, not be very useful outside of edge guarding. I love Fox's, Link's and Ike's, though.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 21, 2007, 07:10:11 AM
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Post by: anubis6789 on October 21, 2007, 08:07:09 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 21, 2007, 08:08:01 PM
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Well, I think this Pictochat stage makes it reasonable for there to be stages that will not have a character.
Maybe you can "draw" a hidden character. That would be kind of neat.
Post by: that Baby guy on October 21, 2007, 08:11:12 PM
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Post by: IceCold on October 21, 2007, 08:14:55 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 21, 2007, 08:15:31 PM
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Well, what "DS" character could there be? I mean, there's nothing, really. I suppose Dr. Kawashima? He doesn't count, though, does he? I suppose if you can have 3rd Parties, you can include giant polygon heads based on real people. It's just hard to believe he would be included. Is there any other DS-bound character/person?
Like I said it could be a Drawn to Life esque character where you customize the character. I really wouldn't put that past someone who would think of including a pictochat stage.
Post by: IceCold on October 21, 2007, 08:17:59 PM
Hopefully.
EDIT: Wait a second. The chances of this happening are close to nonexistant, BUT...
What if, through connectivity, someone can use a DS while the rest are playing Smash Bros, and draw these doodles in realtime? Wouldn't that be amazing?
Post by: HadesGigas on October 21, 2007, 08:27:33 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Well, what "DS" character could there be? I mean, there's nothing, really. I suppose Dr. Kawashima? He doesn't count, though, does he? I suppose if you can have 3rd Parties, you can include giant polygon heads based on real people. It's just hard to believe he would be included. Is there any other DS-bound character/person?
I couldn't find the loli one, so here's a furry one:
Post by: anubis6789 on October 21, 2007, 08:28:16 PM
I still think that there is a character for AC though given the AC world number puts it into the middle of games we know have a character, while the DS's world number is after Sonic's and thus at the known end of the list and possibly in another class of world numbers.
But now that I think about it they did create Mr. Game & Watch as a generic representation from the Game & Watch series so there could be a Mr. DS who is a doodle out of Pictochat... that would be awesome.
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Originally posted by: IceCold
EDIT: Wait a second. The chances of this happening are close to nonexistant, BUT...
What if, through connectivity, someone can use a DS while the rest are playing Smash Bros, and draw these doodles in realtime? Wouldn't that be amazing?
Just as I finished typing my reply the idea of DS connectivity along those lines hit me as well, and I too would believe that would be amazing.
Post by: NinjaWang on October 21, 2007, 08:32:48 PM
Post by: HadesGigas on October 21, 2007, 08:37:24 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 21, 2007, 08:44:19 PM
Never doubt what a crazy man is capable of'
Post by: anubis6789 on October 21, 2007, 08:46:35 PM
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Originally posted by: NinjaWang
You know nothing of world classes stop making it up...Maybe the Dr will make an appreance methinks so given the ds logo and the brain age music...Is the logo for the Touch Gen games the same as the DS logo?
True, I am really only guessing as far as all the world numbers are concerned.
The only problem with Dr. Kawashima is the possible legal issues and ramifications of using his likeness in the game, but they did get Sonic so that might not be as big a hurdle as I think.
BTW I have a feeling that the Cooking Navi music that accompanied the Japanese Kirby Final Smash update will be on this stage, just call it a hunch.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 21, 2007, 08:53:19 PM
Its way too awesome. And here I was worrying about the stage design being dull.
As for Kawashima he was not only on Sakurai's list he was one of the most requested character in the Japanese poll.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 21, 2007, 10:05:23 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 21, 2007, 10:50:26 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
As for Kawashima he was not only on Sakurai's list he was one of the most requested character in the Japanese poll.
The funny thing is, part of me actually thinks he could actually end up a playable character. Considering a Moai was a playable character in DreamMix TV: World Fighters, a giant head is indeed possible. Of course Moai was a pretty crappy character in that game, but then again DreamMix TV was a pretty crappy game in the first place. Since Sakurai and his team are infinitely times more talented they could pull it off right.
Of course I think the biggest problem could be the real Dr. Kawashima not wanting his face used as a character in a fighting game. The Brain Training games were educational, something I'm sure he was happy to be apart of. Smash Bros on the other hand is well, not the type of education he'd want people learning.
Plus I think he doesn't want to see his face being FALCON PUNCHED.
Post by: UncleBob on October 22, 2007, 02:28:31 AM
"Lack of sleep will wear your brain down. I will put you to sleep - forever!"
Post by: LuigiHann on October 22, 2007, 03:04:51 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 22, 2007, 03:44:28 AM
Actually, I kinda hope that they include with wiggle dance animation you can do with the pictures in the level, because that would be quite cool.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 22, 2007, 03:56:05 AM
Battlefield - Day/Night System
Delfino Plaza - Transition Stage (Platform drops you off at multiple locations around the Plaza)
Yoshi's Island - Season System + Interactive stage (Fly Guys drop down to steal items, Support Ghost pops up on side)
Lylat Cruise (Star Fox) - Interactive stage (Interactive background + Arwing blasts and asteroid field)
Bridge of Eldin (Twilight Princess) - Interactive stage (King Bulbin runs across the stage on his Bullbo dropping bombs, Bridge gets destroyed/restored, Bulbin minions follow behind him)
Smashville (Animal Crossing) - Real-time Day/Night System + K.K. Slider Concert (8 P.M. on Saturday!)
Rumble Falls (Donkey Kong Jungle Beat) - Scrolling stage (Make your way up the waterfall, then ride a bi-plane!)
Skyworld (Kid Icarus) - Interactive stage (Destructible platforms)
Castle Siege (Fire Emblem) - Transition stage (Passes from Castle Wall -> Throne Room -> Underground Cave) + Interactive stage (Catapulted rocks on Castle Wall)
WarioWare - Transition stage (Passes from mini-game to mini-game) + Interactive stage (Stay Dry! Dodge! Jump!)
Pokémon Stadium 2 - Transition stage (Electric, Ground, Flying, Ice) + Interactive stage (Pokemon interaction + Transition-specific)
Battleship Halberd (Kirby Super Star) - Transition stage (Platform takes you around and onto the ship) + Interactive stage (Double-barreled battery w/ lock-on and arms)
Shadow Moses Island (Metal Gear Solid) - Interactive stage (Destructible walls + Searchlight + Metal Gear Rex/Ray/?)
New Pork City (Mother 3) - Huge-box stage + Interactive stage (Ultimate Chimera)
PictoChat (Nintendo DS) - Transition stage (Sketches out of nowhere!) + Interactive stage (Ridable objects + Fire sketches)
Mario Circuit (Mario Kart) - Interactive stage (Shy Guys on karts)
Norfair (Metroid) - Interactive stage (Lava comes from below, the side, AND from the background; must avoid the background tidal wave by entering capsule)
A truly lovely variety it is...
Post by: Robageejammin on October 22, 2007, 04:06:44 AM
On a side note, I'm personally hoping for some Mario Paint music in there
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 22, 2007, 04:08:54 AM
Post by: nickmitch on October 22, 2007, 05:35:07 AM
Post by: stevey on October 22, 2007, 10:29:54 AM
SSBB M rated confirmed!Also Dr. Kawashima would be a cool assist trophy costume!
Post by: IceCold on October 22, 2007, 10:43:16 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 22, 2007, 11:12:30 AM
Post by: JonLeung on October 22, 2007, 12:53:11 PM
I was imagining a simplified Connect Maze and/or Low To High where you'd have to watch out for a giant stylus, as where it'd draw might be platforms or where it taps might cause massive damage. But that might be a little too difficult, even simplified, what with all the fighting going on.
So maybe PictoChat is better, though these days I think the DS is known more for Brain Age than PictoChat. I can't remember the last time I booted up PictoChat...
Anyway, I hope this stage has lots of variety and randomness. Personally, I didn't like Poké Floats at all. Though I guess I never understood the concept to begin with (I don't remember seeing Poké Balloons in any game at all), but it seemed dumb to me that it always had to start on a Squirtle head and follow the exact same pattern every time.
(By the way, the "New Item - Kirby Urchin Enemy Thing" you mentioned in the very first post of this thread? I'm pretty sure it's called "Gordo".)
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 22, 2007, 01:45:44 PM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on October 22, 2007, 10:23:04 PM
Post by: EasyCure on October 22, 2007, 10:45:29 PM
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Worth it for the epic music alone...Want the full version now!
QFT!!
am i the only one that likes the way they turned DK back into a ferocious beast with this update? It turtle seems like DK has been pigeon held as a “dumb ape” ever since DKC2.. The perfect example is his taunt from Melee. He just comes off like Lenny from Of Mice and Men, maybe its me. I'm just tired of the “happy” looking DK and i'm glad this update wasn't some crappy DK rap music update.
It makes me want a new DKC with just him and Diddy (and maybe Dixie since leaving her out of the 64 game was wrong)!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 23, 2007, 01:29:53 AM
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Aye. I'd be more enthused about this update if it weren't for the high-resolution copy already on GameTrailers. At least we get to hear the nice-sounding reinterpretation of that DKC track, though. Ah, well, not all updates can be awesome. Or even wholly new, what with E4A.
Agreed. It was great to hear the classic DKC track once again. Although, why are Bowser's minions stealing DK's bananas? Maybe its a ploy to lure DK and Diddy into a subspace trap?
I am wondering, though. Are these cinemas FMVs or in real time? It looks to me like they are FMVs but it would be awesome if they were in real time.
Post by: Arbok on October 23, 2007, 03:21:39 AM
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am i the only one that likes the way they turned DK back into a ferocious beast with this update? It turtle seems like DK has been pigeon held as a “dumb ape” ever since DKC2.. The perfect example is his taunt from Melee. He just comes off like Lenny from Of Mice and Men, maybe its me. I'm just tired of the “happy” looking DK and i'm glad this update wasn't some crappy DK rap music update.
Oh god yes.... yeah, DK hasn't had the best representation past the Donkey Kong Country series. I love the more "King Kong" type feel to the character in the movie. Primitive, but not dumb, and as you said ferocious and imposing.
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Although, why are Bowser's minions stealing DK's bananas? Maybe its a ploy to lure DK and Diddy into a subspace trap?
Wario is part of the Space Emissary, so I wouldn't be surprised if Bowser was as well. And yeah, if I had to guess, I assume they want to capture most of the residents of this place.
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I am wondering, though. Are these cinemas FMVs or in real time?
FMVS, without doubt.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 23, 2007, 03:29:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
Oh god yes.... yeah, DK hasn't had the best representation past the Donkey Kong Country series. I love the more "King Kong" type feel to the character in the movie. Primitive, but not dumb, and as you said ferocious and imposing.
Eh? Jungle Beat Donkey Kong was the best representation of him YET! No talking, no reason, just Donkey Kong going out to take some names!
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 23, 2007, 04:13:27 AM
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Post by: Spak-Spang on October 23, 2007, 06:30:58 AM
But truly the best part was the Brutal attacks Donkey Kong pulled on the poor Koopas...it was downright violent for a Nintendo game. (Someone just needs to edit blood into the movie now.)
Post by: that Baby guy on October 23, 2007, 06:39:33 AM
Post by: Sarail on October 23, 2007, 08:04:03 PM
Me = A very happy person. ^_^
Post by: Adrock on October 23, 2007, 08:16:38 PM
I like how Break the Targets has different difficulties this time around.
Post by: ShyGuy on October 23, 2007, 08:28:52 PM
Post by: HadesGigas on October 23, 2007, 08:33:53 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on October 23, 2007, 08:56:44 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on October 23, 2007, 09:00:54 PM
Or was that sarcasm, because I suck at picking up on sarcasm in real life, so you can imagine I have quite a hard time on the Internet.
EDIT:Never mind, after rereading the update it seems that there are only five non-character specific stages, and the fact that they talk about sending replays to your friends via Wi-Fi seems to make one think that online has taken away from the non-online portion of the game, thus making you (PaLaDiN) hate online even more, meaning that it was not sarcasm.
Post by: EasyCure on October 23, 2007, 11:35:14 PM
I never thought the point of break the target was for speed runs (for the sake of speed runs), they were a way to test your skill with a specific character using just their abilities. The faster you could break the targets the more skilled you were controlling that character.
The character specific stages were a great way to learn how a character plays, now their gone....?
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 24, 2007, 01:40:08 AM
Post by: NinjaWang on October 24, 2007, 01:41:31 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 24, 2007, 02:35:12 AM
"It’s outdoors now, giving it a refreshing visual appearance. This time, there are five different maps of varying difficulty—challenges you can take on with your favorite character."
I read this to mean there will be 5 unique stages for each character to run through with varying difficulty. After all Melee had 2 for most characters didn't it?
Anyway, whatever is available, I am just excited it is in there yet again. Brawl really is going to have everything you ever wanted in a Smash game and then some.
Post by: Ceric on October 24, 2007, 03:28:14 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on October 24, 2007, 04:00:07 AM
I do agree with EasyCure that the Target stages have always been about mastering each character's moveset... but I do think that, even with non-character-specific stages, they can still make it so. What's a piece of cake for most characters may still be a devious puzzle for others, and they'll probably balance that out so that each character must make clever use of all its moves. Still, that's why I'm hoping for individual high scores for each character, because any given stage will be easier for some than for others, and I'd hate for there to be a "right" character for each stage.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 24, 2007, 05:11:21 AM
Post by: NinjaWang on October 24, 2007, 06:57:45 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 24, 2007, 07:20:13 AM
Brawl is still early yet the insane amount of stuff being added to it is amazing!
Post by: IceCold on October 24, 2007, 08:58:28 AM
QuoteYeah, exactly. They were a great way to use your abilities to solve puzzles.
The character specific stages were a great way to learn how a character plays, now their gone....?
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 24, 2007, 09:33:03 AM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on October 24, 2007, 10:12:50 AM
Post by: NinjaWang on October 24, 2007, 10:35:46 AM
Well I made a little script to scour the smash site as well as nintendo jp were the movies and such are held, but I need to run it within the updating window which I won't be able to do for a couple weeks working night shift...
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 24, 2007, 11:18:19 AM
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I do think people need to realize that there's likely going to be up to around 35-40 characters this time around, and I'm sure it takes quite a bit of time to get a perfectly balanced character-specific stage in order...
Exactly, with all the modes and content that's being added to the game, creating around 40 unique break the target stages would just be a huge waste of time that could be spent on more important things. If that's what they had to sacrifice in order to get more characters, stages, a full fledged adventure mode and 4-PLAYER ONLINE in the game, I'd say that's a very good trade off in the end.
Post by: Kairon on October 24, 2007, 11:36:01 AM
Post by: HadesGigas on October 24, 2007, 11:55:05 AM
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I do think people need to realize that there's likely going to be up to around 35-40 characters this time around, and I'm sure it takes quite a bit of time to get a perfectly balanced character-specific stage in order...
Exactly, with all the modes and content that's being added to the game, creating around 40 unique break the target stages would just be a huge waste of time that could be spent on more important things. If that's what they had to sacrifice in order to get more characters, stages, a full fledged adventure mode and 4-PLAYER ONLINE in the game, I'd say that's a very good trade off in the end.
They have like a billion people making this game, there is no excuse. Especially since break the targets was one of the best single player modes in Melee.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 24, 2007, 12:04:11 PM
And there most certainly is an excuse when there is a considerably good chance that there are new modes to conquer in Brawl...
Post by: HadesGigas on October 24, 2007, 12:20:02 PM
The whole "they have to make this crappier to have this!" mentality doesn't make sense. Just people justifying a downgrade.
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 24, 2007, 01:29:53 PM
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No, not really any excuse. All the effort in making break the targets stages is in brainstorming the layouts. The actual construction of the levels probably would take them all of 30 minutes each.
Even though these guys are good, they're not that good. Trying to create over 35 unique stages for each characters Break the Target is going to take A LOT longer then 30 minutes each. In Melee when the Adventure Mode was just a half assed 15 minute things, then yes they had plenty of time to make 25 unique stages for Break the Target. But in Brawl when the Adventure Mode is now a full fledge experience, they don't have as much time to devote to something like Break the Target.
Not to mention, what if Board the Platform returns? If they were to create unique stages for every characters Break the Target then they'd have to create a unique stage for everyone's Board the Platform. That end's up being around 70 unique stages when you combine the two, which would take a huge amount of time. Time that they'd rather spend on making The Subspace Emissary as polished as possible and be able to work on any other new modes like Bill said.
Post by: HadesGigas on October 24, 2007, 02:52:06 PM
They can do it for 28 or whatever the number of characters were in melee, they can do it with 32-40. It isn't a huge leap. Total bullshit that people would think a shrinkage from almost 30 to 5 (If that is indeed the case) is in any way justifiable.
Board the Platforms has nothing to do with this as it is totally hypothetical at this point. And so what if it is? They could have been able to do 500 of these minilevels in the time they've had. The games been delayed like a year, I'm sorry if I expect it to exceed the previous title in the franchise in every way. I know that's just crazy thinking!
Post by: Shecky on October 24, 2007, 03:25:14 PM
The stage's overall layout could be pretty generic.... and each character's starting position on that stage does not have to be the same. For example, there could be a wall jumping U in the stage and a good wall jumping character might actually start off in that U (Think young link in SSBM). Now pikachu might not start off in that U but there might still be a target in it (which one would think is best hit with lightning).
Post by: HadesGigas on October 24, 2007, 04:21:31 PM
It's mostly a wait and see kind of thing though, thanks to the weird way SmashDojo updates are written.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 24, 2007, 04:40:26 PM
However, I am kinda getting more excited about the idea of 5 single levels, and you have to learn how to use the characters to find shortcuts in each. And although it is a down grade in a way of just 5 levels...it is an upgrade in that each character gets 3 more stages of hit the target than it had in Melee (even if they are generic.)
Post by: Adrock on October 24, 2007, 06:00:12 PM
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Luigi Dude wrote:
Even though these guys are good, they're not that good.
Post by: anubis6789 on October 24, 2007, 06:51:44 PM
Just thought that needed to be thrown out there.
Post by: LuigiHann on October 24, 2007, 06:57:20 PM
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The games been delayed like a year
In what calendar system are December and February about a year apart?
Post by: Crimm on October 24, 2007, 08:03:01 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 24, 2007, 08:03:53 PM
More heavies = good news, though.
But will he talk like Boss Hog, like from the cartoon?
He also plays into my theory that DK and Bowser were made larger because of the range of character sizes which needed to be encompassed this time around.
Post by: anubis6789 on October 24, 2007, 08:06:34 PM
I wonder if that first scene is how he enters the stage?
EDIT: It appears that on the Japanese version of the site he gets his own "Warning! Character Approaching!" image that looks like it says something to the effect of "Dedede is Approaching!!" or "Warning Dedede is Approaching!!". Just thought you all would like to know.
Post by: Mashiro on October 24, 2007, 08:07:00 PM
Post by: Adrock on October 24, 2007, 08:11:25 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 24, 2007, 08:12:19 PM
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Awesome, I was worried that King Dedede would end up being an AT.
You were? He was THE most requested character in Sakurai's poll...
And starting now I'm worried they are showing off secret characters, because it seems odd for them to go from 1 starting Kirby character to 3...Dedede seems so perfect for an unlockable...
Post by: IceCold on October 24, 2007, 08:15:49 PM
Maybe I should take up a media blackout on Brawl too.
Post by: Adrock on October 24, 2007, 08:19:46 PM
Edit: not on the list...
Post by: anubis6789 on October 24, 2007, 08:19:57 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on October 24, 2007, 08:25:28 PM
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They are showing secret characters. And at this rate, a lot will be spoiled before the February release.
Maybe I should take up a media blackout on Brawl too.
How are you so sure that they are, for a fact, showing hidden characters? Where have you gotten this information?
Post by: ShyGuy on October 24, 2007, 08:33:54 PM
Post by: Strell on October 24, 2007, 08:37:13 PM
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By the time February rolls around, you guys will know every secret that Brawl holds. THEN WERE WILL YOU BE?
I'll be playing the damn game, that's where.
Assuming it's not delayed again.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 24, 2007, 09:22:01 PM
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I was worried because I thought that Metaknight was the "villain" representing the Kirby series, although now that Dedede is in I assume that Metaknight will in fact be a "good" guy in adventure mode.
Is that really true anymore? In the latest Kirby games Deedee has been neutered a bit. Heck in Squeak Squad he was the first boss and ended up helping kirby.
Post by: Shecky on October 25, 2007, 12:48:34 AM
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Um... There was only one Break-the-Target stage for each character in SSBM.
Just thought that needed to be thrown out there.
Yeah, I'm not sure where this thought of two stages per character in SSBM were coming from.... Either that or I missed something after all these years.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 25, 2007, 01:17:55 AM
1. The Kirby series gets a much better representation in SSB: Melee in Particular was a Mario/Zelda/Pokemon fest, with the other franchises getting just one or two characters.
2. Heavyweight: The SSB series has been lacking in heavy characters so its great to see that Sakurai is adding more of them.
3. More villain/rival representation: The original SSB was ruled by the main characters. Melee tried to balance things out but only had 3 villains; Bowser, Ganondorf and Mewtwo (even then he was only a villain in the Pokemon movies and TV series). King Dedede's addition to the Brawl roster adds a bit more balance between the heroes and the villains/rivals.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 25, 2007, 01:46:47 AM
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I was worried because I thought that Metaknight was the "villain" representing the Kirby series, although now that Dedede is in I assume that Metaknight will in fact be a "good" guy in adventure mode.
Is that really true anymore? In the latest Kirby games Deedee has been neutered a bit. Heck in Squeak Squad he was the first boss and ended up helping kirby.
Dedede is always considered as a joke villain; Dark Matter is the true, evil boss of the Kirby series...
Post by: NinjaWang on October 25, 2007, 01:55:21 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 25, 2007, 01:58:24 AM
As for King Dedede, I think we all knew this was coming. Nintendo really only has a few characters that will make great heavies, but I am surprised Sakurai didn't mention Wario as a heavy, I figured he was.
Hopefully we will have Gannondorf and potentially Ganon as heavier characters as well. Mewtwo should also be designed as a Heavy.
Post by: NinjaWang on October 25, 2007, 02:08:37 AM
For some reason I want to go play DK64 and Banjo-kazooie.....
Post by: UncleBob on October 25, 2007, 02:23:47 AM
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The games been delayed like a year
In what calendar system are December and February about a year apart?
Probably in the calender system that said we were supposed to have the next Smash Bros. (online) at launch. November 06 - February 08 - that's more than a year delay.
Post by: Robageejammin on October 25, 2007, 02:24:09 AM
Post by: Tanookisuit on October 25, 2007, 02:47:24 AM
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After seeing the Dedede reveal and the pictures it makes me want 3-4 characters per franchise....and King K Rool
I really hope K Rool is not in the game. He always seemed like a kind of Bowser rip-off to me.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 25, 2007, 02:59:43 AM
Post by: Arbok on October 25, 2007, 03:19:23 AM
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I really hope K Rool is not in the game. He always seemed like a kind of Bowser rip-off to me.
Couldn't disagree more. If there is one thing this game needs, it's Kaptain K. Rool:
Post by: Tanookisuit on October 25, 2007, 03:30:09 AM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on October 25, 2007, 04:42:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Why is everyone putting so much stock in that poll? Ike, Dedede, and Diddy may have been heavily requested... but they're obvious choices. Besides, wasn't Sonic not on the list at all?
Edit: not on the list...
Sonic was in before he was even on that poll, I believe. He was the most highly-requested 3rd party character for the game in a public poll, hence why he doesn't appear on other polls.
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Originally posted by: TVman
Does Mewtwo really count as a lock?
Or Marth and Ness, for that matter.
The effeminate blue-haired teenager and little boy with beady eyes quotas have both already been filled, respectively, though I expect we're more likely to see Marth than Ness.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 25, 2007, 04:45:52 AM
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Originally posted by: TVman
Does Mewtwo really count as a lock?
Well that's why I put "lock" in quotations and said "based solely on unique move sets"... =)
I'm just going to assume all original characters will return and that all clones are gone (except for Ganondorf, who I believe will be given a new move set) until proven wrong...
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 25, 2007, 04:47:00 AM
To me, 40 seems a bit much, but we'll wait and see.
Post by: nickmitch on October 25, 2007, 05:21:31 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: TVman
Does Mewtwo really count as a lock?
Or Marth and Ness, for that matter.
The effeminate blue-haired teenager and little boy with beady eyes quotas have both already been filled, respectively, though I expect we're more likely to see Marth than Ness.
Ness forever!
Post by: Louieturkey on October 25, 2007, 06:16:02 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: TVman
Does Mewtwo really count as a lock?
Or Marth and Ness, for that matter.
The effeminate blue-haired teenager and little boy with beady eyes quotas have both already been filled, respectively, though I expect we're more likely to see Marth than Ness.
Ness forever!
I must have Ness back. His name screams Nintendo. It's just appropriate.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 25, 2007, 07:31:11 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I want a Cranky Kong Assist Trophy. He can Yell at the players and remind everyone that when he played games there was no 4 player support, and we were fine with just having one button...and blocking was an impossiblity.
There's already an assist like that. His name is Mr. Resetti.
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 25, 2007, 07:34:21 AM
EPIC F*CKING WIN!!!
Not to mention
King Dedede(5)
Diddy Kong(4)
Geno(4)
Ike(4)
Ridley(4)
If three of these characters are now playable it's only a matter of time before Geno and Ridley are announced as well.
Post by: Tanookisuit on October 25, 2007, 08:27:13 AM
Post by: NinjaWang on October 25, 2007, 08:28:57 AM
Updated w/ dedede
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 25, 2007, 08:40:49 AM
Post by: Adrock on October 25, 2007, 09:49:16 AM
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Smash_Brother wrote:
Sonic was in before he was even on that poll, I believe. He was the most highly-requested 3rd party character for the game in a public poll, hence why he doesn't appear on other polls.
Sakurai wouldn't put Sonic in his own poll because he was the most highly requested in another poll? How does that make sense? If Sakurai and his team are picking characters based on Sakurai's own poll, as some here suggest, then why would a completely different poll take precedence? Moreover, why would Sakurai create an entirely different poll, if he was already picking characters from the other one?
Here's what I don't understand: people like to say Sakurai said this or the polls had that, but I'm not convinced that you can really trust either as concrete info. If Geno ends up playable in the game, I'll change my tune. Until then, I don't really see more than what's there. King Dedede, Diddy Kong, and Ike are all obvious choices for a variety of reasons.
And I still don't think Geno will be playable. There are better choices in terms of Square-Enix characters, let alone other 3rd party additions. If there was one spot left (which I personally, don't believe) and it came down to Geno and Mega Man, I have no doubt Nintendo would choose Mega Man. Non-Smash fans might buy the game for Mega Man while I don't think the same can be said of Geno.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 25, 2007, 09:59:31 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Here's what I don't understand: people like to say Sakurai said this or the polls had that, but I'm not convinced that you can really trust either as concrete info. If Geno ends up playable in the game, I'll change my tune. Until then, I don't really see more than what's there. King Dedede, Diddy Kong, and Ike are all obvious choices for a variety of reasons.
Admittedly, I've only heard all of this through hearsay myself, but where is Wario on Sakurai's list? Where's Pit? The modified list doesn't contain the characters that were already decided to be in, and I feel Sonic also was decided upon a while ago.
And how is King Dedede "obvious"? The Kirby games have always been more of a niche than a mainstream Nintendo franchise and Kirby's "villain" role has already been filled by Metaknight.
I'm not arguing against Dedede because I love all the penguin jokes I'm inevitably going to be making now (and this gives me more heavy characters to try out), but Dedede's inclusion was anything but "obvious".
I think the list is a good guide, and I fully expect to see Ridley and Geno in the game as well.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 25, 2007, 10:15:09 AM
The poll was made AFTER the characters were revealed to be characters, so of course... =)
And Meta Knight is more anti-hero than villain...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 25, 2007, 10:39:22 AM
That's another reason I find myself annoyed at the clones; they're placeholders for characters that should have been in Melee
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 25, 2007, 10:45:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion The poll was made AFTER the characters were revealed to be characters, so of course... =)
...which is why I think Sonic was already a lock when the poll was made, hence why he wasn't on it.
Pit was in the game because he won polls (in the US, I know for sure). I'm betting that the polls involving Sonic happened before Sakurai's official poll showed up.
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And Meta Knight is more anti-hero than villain...
True, but Dedede is hardly the hardcore villain type, either.
Also, I think it's fair that Kirby has two characters because 1. Hal started the franchise and 2. the SSB combat is most directly derived from the Kirby games.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 25, 2007, 11:35:40 AM
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Dedede really has me fiending for K Rool....I dunno why....More heavies like sb said but I feel the need for more character/villian representation
King K. Rool would also cement the DK series even further. DK was originally a Mario character so SSB's DK represented both Mario and DKC. Diddy on the other hand is the only TRUE DKC character representing the series. King K. Rool would represent the series even more and would give DK a TRUE villain to work with.
He has some moves they could easily use. For example, there's the crown throw, cannonball and high jumping attacks from DKC 1, his gun from DKC 2 and even some of his boxing moves from DK 64.
Even if he is a bit like Bowser he is very unique from him.
However, I doubt we will see him in Brawl. On the "DK makes a stand" video, his bananas are being stolen by BOWSER'S minions. K.Rool has his kremling crew. If stealing DK's banana's is a ploy by the subspace emissary to kidnap DK and Diddy and destroy their world should K. Rool be the one doing it?
Post by: that Baby guy on October 25, 2007, 11:38:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
But it's not like they are minor characters...I haven't played through too many Kirby games, yet I still realize they are staple members of the Kirby franchise and Nintendo-dom in general...Now if Waddle Dee or some other minor character gets a playable spot, THEN I'll raise an eyebrow... ='D
That said, Waddle Dee would be an awesome Kirby costume.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 25, 2007, 11:49:55 AM
Oh, and Krystal just about confirmed...
Post by: ShyGuy on October 25, 2007, 11:52:01 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 25, 2007, 12:38:35 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Freaking furries....
Indeed.
But that doesn't confirm her as a playable. She could still be an assist trophy.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 25, 2007, 12:41:39 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on October 25, 2007, 12:48:38 PM
By the way; it was mentioned earlier but I am pretty sure that Wario is a confirmed heavy character, but I cannot remember where I read that.
Post by: Plaguefox on October 25, 2007, 12:50:50 PM
Anyway, I have this odd feeling Nintendo isn't all that fond of King K. Rool. Like he's the bad guy equivalent of the red-headed stepchild. Like he's second-tier, you know? Not to say I specifically expect him not to show up, but I'm not keeping my hopes up. I love the notion of the game having a proper "heroes vs villains" style of character selection, though!
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 25, 2007, 12:54:39 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Does anyone really think the only other Star Fox character that has a possible move set that makes sense and would be unique won't be a character? Major denial... =3
She could easily be playable, but we can't hammer her down as playable yet, especially when that same actress listed an assist trophy as one of the voices she played.
Also, Samurai Goroh made by far the most sense for another F-Zero character and yet he was ATed out, as were Jill of Drill Dozer, Little Mac and Lyndis (who would have made an excellent "light" sword wielder to balance out Ike).
It could easily happen, but it's still too early to be saying "Krystal is playable in Brawl". She has 3 votes on Sakurai's poll so I'd lean toward her being in, but like I said, it ain't announced until it's announced.
And if Kawashima is on Sakurai's list with 2 mentions, then I think Andross' big floating head is still in the running for playable.
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By the way; it was mentioned earlier but I am pretty sure that Wario is a confirmed heavy character, but I cannot remember where I read that.
Ah good. I'm guessing he'll be a medium-heavy, since there are clearly heavier characters out and about.
Post by: IceCold on October 25, 2007, 01:13:37 PM
QuoteShe could be like what Slippy and Peppy were in Brawl..
Oh, and Krystal just about confirmed...
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 25, 2007, 01:36:04 PM
If the Starfox stage has commentary from the characters the same way Snake's does, she could just be a radio transmission.
I expect her to be involved in the game, though, either playable or at the least, an AT.
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 25, 2007, 01:59:58 PM
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Also, Samurai Goroh made by far the most sense for another F-Zero character and yet he was ATed out, as were Jill of Drill Dozer, Little Mac and Lyndis (who would have made an excellent "light" sword wielder to balance out Ike).
But the thing is, Krystal has played a much bigger role and is now the third most important character in the Star Fox series. If they're going to include a new Star Fox character she would be the most likely to appear, since Fox and Falco are the two most important ones that are already playable.
Every since F-Zero X, Black Shadow has been the second most important character in the series, not Goroh. If there's a second character F-Zero character it will be Black Shadow. Jill never stood any chance since her game bombed and nobody except for just a few dedicated fans know who she is. And once again Lyn never had any chance either since Eliwood and Hector were both much more important characters then she was.
I'll give you Little Mac since he was from a well known classic game. Of course I could make the argument that since Smash Bros is meant for the most popular and important Nintendo characters, there isn't going to be that many classic characters and so with Pit, Ice Climbers and Game and Watch, they might have all the classic characters they want.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 25, 2007, 02:01:46 PM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 25, 2007, 03:24:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
You know the issue with King K. Rool is that if he was in the game, wouldn't he have been the villain stealing Donkey Kong's Bananas?
Check what I said earlier...
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However, I doubt we will see him in Brawl. On the "DK makes a stand" video, his bananas are being stolen by BOWSER'S minions. K.Rool has his kremling crew. If stealing DK's banana's is a ploy by the subspace emissary to kidnap DK and Diddy and destroy their world should K. Rool be the one doing it?
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 25, 2007, 03:45:12 PM
You know, I guess they could be mixing up the villains though. Bowser attacking Donkey Kong, Wario working with Meta Knight.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 25, 2007, 03:50:08 PM
And from videos at E for All, it looks like Wario might be working with whatever princess he kidnaps...
Post by: Arbok on October 25, 2007, 04:35:56 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
And from videos at E for All, it looks like Wario might be working with whatever princess he kidnaps...
Working "with"? It seemed to me that Wario kidnapped that princess for the Space Emissary.
Also, I don't think the fact that koopas are stealing DK's bananas is any real sign. I mean, think about it, K. Rool has pulled that trick before and in a game that is this huge of a crossover it would be lame to make him do it again rather than shake things up. Hell, if you want to theorize, perhaps K. Rool even suggested it to the Emissary as a means of luring him out?
Basically, we know so little about the plot that it's pretty futile to say that it points to who the roster might be because of events seen so far. I personally don't think we will see K. Rool this time around, despite how much I would love it, but the Koopas taking on DK really doesn't say enough to draw a conclusion from it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 25, 2007, 04:42:11 PM
And I still have a feeling he'll end up working with the princess for some reason or another (such as after a betrayal, etc)...
The pairing between a princess and someone as uncouth as Wario just FITS...
Post by: Arbok on October 25, 2007, 08:09:42 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on October 25, 2007, 08:21:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"Working "with"? It seemed to me that Wario kidnapped that princess for the Space Emissary."
And I still have a feeling he'll end up working with the princess for some reason or another (such as after a betrayal, etc)...
The pairing between a princess and someone as uncouth as Wario just FITS...
After all, he nearly got her the Samus doll.
Of course, Luigi won that one, but really, Wario was sooooooooo close, it should count for something...
Post by: Adrock on October 25, 2007, 08:28:37 PM
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Smash_Brother wrote:
And how is King Dedede "obvious"? The Kirby games have always been more of a niche than a mainstream Nintendo franchise and Kirby's "villain" role has already been filled by Metaknight.
Dude... King Dedede has been in every Kirby game except The Amazing Mirror. His spot is long overdue....
On a Kirby related note, Metaknight's voice is kind of weird when you consider that, under the mask, he looks just like Kirby except he's blue. That's like hearing Ganondorf's voice coming out of Ness.
Also, that charged up hammer is insane... in the membrane.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 25, 2007, 08:40:36 PM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Dude... King Dedede has been in every Kirby game except The Amazing Mirror. His spot is long overdue...
That's great, but why does that reserve him a spot in Brawl? Toad has been in pretty much every Mario game and he isn't playable. Goroh has been in every F-Zero game and he isn't playable. Slippy has...you get the idea.
Dedede was a sure thing because he had the most votes in Sakurai's list, not because he was an obvious character choice. "Obvious" is a matter of opinion. Having votes on the poll is not (not after people have voted, anyway).
Post by: that Baby guy on October 25, 2007, 08:49:28 PM
Dedede is as to Kirby as Bowser is to Mario, in this sense. Most of the time, he is the villain. Sometimes, he is an ally, but, except for one or two games, he is always present. The difference is that Dedede usually allies with Kirby because he finds a greater benefit in helping the puff out. As King of Dreamland, if DL blew up, he wouldn't be king anymore, so he often helps Kirby prevent this scenario from playing out. Whenever Kirby isn't saving the entire planet from something outside, he's stopping Dedede from eating everything in sight.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 25, 2007, 09:08:18 PM
Because he didn't get enough votes until Brawl.
Look, I'm not slighting his character, I'm saying that the poll seems to tell all.
If Geno is announced, can we stop denying that the poll is the driving force behind character selection, please?
Post by: Adrock on October 25, 2007, 10:00:57 PM
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Look, I'm not slighting his character, I'm saying that the poll seems to tell all.
Why would the development team adhere so closely to a poll? That's what I don't get. The choice is up to them and I'm not convinced that a poll would carry so much weight in development.
Polls are ultimately flawed. They only represent the opinions of people who actually voted which is a small percentage of the entire audience. And what stopped some jackass fanboy from voting a hundred times for character X? Don't think someone would be that pathetic? Surely you've never been to the imdb boards... "Let's vote Shawshank Redemption off #1 on the imdb Top 250!!!!1"
A character like Sonic is almost universally desired in Smash Bros. Even if you're not a Sonic fan, you can probably appreciate the Sonic vs. Mario rivalry. A character like Dedede has a rich history in a beloved Nintendo franchise. A character like Ike represents the latest main character in the Fire Emblem series (like Roy who made the cut in Melee to advertise his game) which is finally getting its due around the world. Marth (who I firmly believe will return in Brawl) was chosen because he appeared in the most games in the series. I can't imagine these choices are poll influenced. They all have more legitimate reasons for being picked than just being voted on in an unreliable poll.
But yes, I will concede if Geno becomes playable (being an Assist Trophy doesn't count). Still, he was a supporting character in Super Mario RPG and an extremely minor and easily missed cameo in Superstar Saga. I just can't see him making the cut.
Post by: LuigiHann on October 26, 2007, 12:27:37 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 26, 2007, 01:53:20 AM
Dedede has some great moves, and I assume his last one will involve suction of some sort...And maybe his Final Smash will involve possession by Dark Matter...
Post by: Tanookisuit on October 26, 2007, 02:30:32 AM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHann
Kirby is basically Sakurai's pet series, so I'm never surprised to see more representation from it.
Ding ding ding! Correct! Let's move on.
Post by: NinjaWang on October 26, 2007, 02:40:20 AM
Dedede just makes it seem that the roster should have more complete representation of each series granted Zelda and Mario are there its always nice for a new character, but I mean fleshing out the likes of DK, F-Zero, Starfox and Metriod (dunno how to do that one)
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 26, 2007, 04:41:17 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Metaknight...looks just like Kirby except he's blue.
Proof plz.
Post by: that Baby guy on October 26, 2007, 05:05:33 AM
When you beat him in Revenge of the Meta-Knight, his mask falls off, and he looks almost exactly like Kirby, but with a cape and shoulder guards. He's blue with white eyes and a white mouth, IIRC
As far as the whole poll goes, I think the number of popular votes a character receives truly shows their value to us, the people who matter most in terms of sales. If Dedede was up at the top, that shows he was worth being in this game, "minor" Kirby character or not. The reasons he is in still apply, it's just that instead of the game's director seeing this, the fans did. Does that make sense?
Post by: NinjaWang on October 26, 2007, 05:20:58 AM
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Takashi Nagasako ... Ganondorf (voice)
dunno how credible that is though
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 26, 2007, 05:33:10 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on October 26, 2007, 05:52:28 AM
So has Dededededede, the King. You just don't remember everything Kirby.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 26, 2007, 06:07:42 AM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Bowser's been possessed, Bowser's been on Mario's side, Bowser's been the final boss, Bowser's been the midway boss, Bowser's had his minions turned against him, Bowser's had his stuff stolen from him.
So has Dededededede, the King. You just don't remember everything Kirby.
Bowser has always been the final boss in the Mario platformers that have him in it though, maybe not all the spin off games, but the central series except for SMB2! King Deedee hasn't, so THERE.
Post by: that Baby guy on October 26, 2007, 06:10:37 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 26, 2007, 06:13:17 AM
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Hmm? Did you just mention Super Mario Bros. 2? Well, you defeated your own argument there. Too bad. Sorry.
Except for the part that Bowser isn't in it. I'm saying that Deedee has seldom been the main final boss in the main Kirby series even when he was in the game, so you PHAIL. Actually I change that in the AMERICAN SMB2 which isn't a real Mario game Bowser isn't the boss, but in the REAL SMB2 he is, so you phail again!
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 26, 2007, 06:19:05 AM
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Originally posted by: thatguy The reasons he is in still apply, it's just that instead of the game's director seeing this, the fans did. Does that make sense?
Of course: the way he got to the top of that poll was by people liking him, but I'm not questioning HOW characters got on the poll. I'm saying that we knew he'd be in the game because he was at the top of the poll.
I don't think the presence of these characters on the poll and their reveals is a coincidence like Adrock suggested.
I think we'll see Krystal, Ridley and very likely Geno at this point because they're all heavily favored on the poll.
Post by: that Baby guy on October 26, 2007, 06:20:03 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 26, 2007, 06:25:24 AM
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Hey, if you want to make an exception for your case, and your case only, feel free to. I'll be over here, noting how often the King formerly known as Deedee plays a major role in the Kirby games. You can go and pout about how different he is from Bowser, but like it or not, the similarities are there. No they aren't in the exact same position, and no, he doesn't play the "Big Boss" archetype, but let's be real here, King Dedede is too busy eating to care about all of that stuff.
Bowser is a turtle/dragon, Deedee is a fat penguin. Still no similarities.
Post by: that Baby guy on October 26, 2007, 06:27:44 AM
Post by: Arbok on October 26, 2007, 07:05:41 AM
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Bowser is a turtle/dragon, Deedee is a fat penguin. Still no similarities.
Bowser is to Dedede, as Ganondorf is to K. Rool.... all of them are the main and most recognizable villains of their respective franchise, even if some have been forced into a state of being an ally for a common good or not even appearing in a particular title.
Post by: vudu on October 26, 2007, 09:31:19 AM
QuoteHoly Hell, MARK YOUR GODDAMN SPOILERS.
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
And from videos at E for All, it looks like Wario might be working with whatever princess he kidnaps...
Post by: LuigiHann on October 26, 2007, 09:34:08 AM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHann
Kirby is basically Sakurai's pet series, so I'm never surprised to see more representation from it.
Ding ding ding! Correct! Let's move on.
At least somebody recognized my keen observation.
But go ahead, guys. Keep on arguing about it.
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on the subject of voice actors........Heres someQuote
Takashi Nagasako ... Ganondorf (voice)
dunno how credible that is though
IMDB is less credible than Wikipedia, because at least when people post crap on Wikipedia it's easy to take it down.
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Post by: Shecky on October 26, 2007, 12:50:10 PM
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Actually its a Hammer..... I mean....Anyway What will happen to his Hammer when he uses a two handed item?
Probably the same thing that happened in past games
Post by: Tanookisuit on October 26, 2007, 01:00:50 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 26, 2007, 01:03:59 PM
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Originally posted by: Tanookisuit
Should we all pitch in and buy Golden Phoenix some anger management classes?
She's a female. Anger management classes will NOT to do a thing. Trust me
.And before anyone says anything I WAS KIDDING!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 26, 2007, 01:05:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Tanookisuit
Should we all pitch in and buy Golden Phoenix some anger management classes?
I don't listen to dum heds.
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Post by: nickmitch on October 28, 2007, 04:13:29 PM
Post by: Crimm on October 28, 2007, 08:06:03 PM
STAGE BUILDER! HOLY CRAP DUDE~
Post by: Arbok on October 28, 2007, 08:08:17 PM
... *then dies again*
Infinite replay value here I come!
Post by: Sessha on October 28, 2007, 08:10:41 PM
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Post by: Crimm on October 28, 2007, 08:13:04 PM
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It's official: this game is too huge. It's has everthing that a person could possible ask for. Only possible thing that could be added is a VR helmet.
and support for a R.O.B.
Post by: Adrock on October 28, 2007, 08:16:26 PM
The one thing I absolutely wanted and it's almost exactly how I envisioned it being employed (using a grid to place various pieces). What a great update...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 28, 2007, 08:21:35 PM
Now all they need to do is add a "create a fighter" mode and we shall be set for life!
Post by: IceCold on October 28, 2007, 08:23:57 PM
EDIT: Also, has that Donkey Kong Country music been revealed before?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 28, 2007, 08:27:10 PM
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And a stage selected from the entire daily collection will be sent from Nintendo to your Wii. A stage made by someone else will come to you over the Internet once per day!
DUN DUN DUNNNNNN! That’s the shocking truth. This means you’ll be able to experience a new stage every day—the flavor of the day, if you will.
Now stage building will also be part of the competition.
Post by: IceCold on October 28, 2007, 08:29:09 PM
AND.. has the Mother - Snowman music been revealed before?
EDIT: Do you guys remember, a while back, Sakurai had a post where he blurred out one of the buttons? Well, I remember it being pink, and looking suspiciously like the "Submit" button in this update. But I can't figure out which update it's from..
I thought at first it was from the Snapshots update, but the "Submit" isn't blurred in that one (anymore?). Was it the one, or has Sakurai used some revisionist theory?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 28, 2007, 08:35:20 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 28, 2007, 08:39:27 PM
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Originally posted by: insanolord
We were wondering how he'd top the Sonic reveal. This is exactly how to top the Sonic reveal. I didn't envision this. That he topped Sonic so soon surprises me. The question, then, is how can he top this?
Create a fighter mode. Using your Mii data you create a fighter by modifying (sp?) everything from looks to attacks. Save it on an SD card, send it to friends and Nintendo for character competions.
Its the next logical step, really.
And Icecold it was the snapshot feature. He confirms it on today's update.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 28, 2007, 08:43:06 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 28, 2007, 08:53:39 PM
Post by: Arbok on October 28, 2007, 08:53:41 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Using your Mii data you create a fighter by modifying (sp?) everything from looks to attacks.
The game will be hard enough to balance as is...
Personally, I don't want players to be able to create their own move sets for characters. I'm fine with Miis, and having people design the look of the fighter... but the moves should be locked, or have only cosmetic differences between attacks.
Post by: IceCold on October 28, 2007, 08:54:48 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 28, 2007, 09:19:36 PM
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Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Originally posted by: pap64
Using your Mii data you create a fighter by modifying (sp?) everything from looks to attacks.
The game will be hard enough to balance as is...
Personally, I don't want players to be able to create their own move sets for characters. I'm fine with Miis, and having people design the look of the fighter... but the moves should be locked, or have only cosmetic differences between attacks.
It ain't that bad, though. The characters' moves would be based around the game's rules and the moves would be based on the character type you choose (ie. heavy=powerful but slow attacks, light=weak but effective and such).
I guess they can create a moveset and you just customize the look but that would be boring.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 28, 2007, 09:52:12 PM
OOF! Unbelievable...
These music tracks have also been added to the growing list:
Donkey Kong Country 2 (GBA) - Bramble Blast (This is a renamed Stickerbrush Symphony)
Mother - Snowman (If you are not familiar, it became the track for Winters in Earthbound)
Post by: Mashiro on October 28, 2007, 11:11:20 PM
I am so happy =D! Great great great feature.
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 29, 2007, 12:10:59 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on October 29, 2007, 12:22:05 AM
Very well. While you all frolic in your communal mud, I shall keep my honor, and my dignity, and my head held high, and I shall salvage what I can of this broken, incomplete abortion of a game. But I seethe inside, and I rage... alone.
Post by: Mashiro on October 29, 2007, 01:15:57 AM
Post by: Darkheart on October 29, 2007, 01:26:24 AM
Post by: Tanookisuit on October 29, 2007, 01:41:26 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 29, 2007, 01:44:16 AM
But what is truly fantastic is not the ability to create levels, but the community that is created around this service, that is what makes this truly Nintendo. Daily (most likely more like weekly) Nintendo chosen levels sent to your Wii to play. Building and sharing with your friends, and being able to create custom tournament levels for your friends to play. (I will be making so many different kinds of levels.
The series of levels I want to see someone make though is all 4 Donkey Kong levels.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 29, 2007, 01:54:03 AM
1)SD card Character Updates. Nintendo can send updates to the game that will include brand new characters that you can play from your SD card, so that you don't have to worry about space on the Wii.
This way new characters could be added to the game every month or so, or old characters that may need a bit of tweaking can be balanced.
Post by: nickmitch on October 29, 2007, 02:12:41 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
I wonder if we'll be able to share stages online like Wii game save files..
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Also, if you’ve finished registering someone as both a Wii Friend and a Smash friend, you’ll be able to send custom stages to each other.
This update = win.
Post by: Ceric on October 29, 2007, 02:21:49 AM
- Can we save the daily stage if we like it?
- Can we create multistage stages?
- Can we do scripting/triggers of any sort?
- Is there a possibility of using are own pictures as backgrounds?
- Is the music selection strictly whats already in Brawl?
- Will there be updates for the issues this will most likely bring up?
- Are we stuck with Battle Stages or could we make Break the Target and like?
Those are just a few things I like to know. I really hate to get a level I truly enjoyed and only be able to use it for one day.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 29, 2007, 02:48:32 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I'm looking at this and there are a few things I like to know.
- Can we save the daily stage if we like it?
- Can we create multistage stages?
- Can we do scripting/triggers of any sort?
- Is there a possibility of using are own pictures as backgrounds?
- Is the music selection strictly whats already in Brawl?
- Will there be updates for the issues this will most likely bring up?
- Are we stuck with Battle Stages or could we make Break the Target and like?
Those are just a few things I like to know. I really hate to get a level I truly enjoyed and only be able to use it for one day.
This is a perfect way to implement MP3s on the SD card for in-game music.
This feature has taken a game with near-infinite replay value and infinitely expanded it. At the risk of sounding like a schoolyard argument, Brawl's replay value is now infinity squared.
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 29, 2007, 02:55:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I'm looking at this and there are a few things I like to know.
- Can we save the daily stage if we like it?
- Can we create multistage stages?
- Can we do scripting/triggers of any sort?
- Is there a possibility of using are own pictures as backgrounds?
- Is the music selection strictly whats already in Brawl?
- Will there be updates for the issues this will most likely bring up?
- Are we stuck with Battle Stages or could we make Break the Target and like?
Those are just a few things I like to know. I really hate to get a level I truly enjoyed and only be able to use it for one day.
I'd bet we will be able to save the daily stage.
Doubtful on scripting triggers.
Personal pictures as backgrounds is very possible, especially with the Wii photo channel so easily available.
Good question on the music selection, I'm starting to think MP3s will be able to be used.
Updates seem to be possible but unlikely because of Nintendo's constant dismissal of the benefit of HDD use.
I'm guessing this will be limited to battle stages.
Who knows with anything though, Sakurai is pulling the craziest sh!t with this game. I'm guessing this is going to be the last Smash for a VERY LONG TIME. He is going to be cramming every bit of awesomeness possible into this game, so like I said anything is possible.
Post by: NinjaWang on October 29, 2007, 02:55:47 AM
oh and spang that new character idea would be awesome
Post by: Tanookisuit on October 29, 2007, 03:06:05 AM
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I'm guessing this is going to be the last Smash for a VERY LONG TIME.
I'm guessing this will be the LAST SMASH BROS GAME EVER. So I'm glad he's knocking it out of the park.
Post by: NinjaWang on October 29, 2007, 03:26:14 AM
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Originally posted by: TanookisuitQuote
I'm guessing this is going to be the last Smash for a VERY LONG TIME.
I'm guessing this will be the LAST SMASH BROS GAME EVER. So I'm glad he's knocking it out of the park.
I not its not the last I can deal with one per system
Post by: Kairon on October 29, 2007, 04:06:38 AM
Post by: tombo125 on October 29, 2007, 04:09:57 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I'm looking at this and there are a few things I like to know.
- Can we save the daily stage if we like it?
- Can we create multistage stages?
- Can we do scripting/triggers of any sort?
- Is there a possibility of using are own pictures as backgrounds?
- Is the music selection strictly whats already in Brawl?
- Will there be updates for the issues this will most likely bring up?
- Are we stuck with Battle Stages or could we make Break the Target and like?
Those are just a few things I like to know. I really hate to get a level I truly enjoyed and only be able to use it for one day.
The update says "For music, you'll only be able to choose from the songs you have available." Though what that means I am not sure. I kinda sounds vague on purpose. Like you can have other music but it must be available first. What do you all think?
Also break the target would be hard to make because the targets could be out of reach but appear to not be. Does that make sense?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 29, 2007, 04:12:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
This Smash Bros. Technology had better proliferate through all other Wii games. Seriously, tons of online, screenshots anywhere, co-op online, video... online... wow...
And don't forget the SD card abilities mentioned in today's update. That showed that Nintendo has remembered that they put the SD card reader in the Wii and gives me something to use it with. Hopefully this will lead to more uses and maybe the feature that everyone wants, the ability to play VC games that are stored on the card without loading them back into the system memory.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 29, 2007, 04:15:04 AM
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Originally posted by: tombo125Quote
Originally posted by: Ceric
I'm looking at this and there are a few things I like to know.
- Can we save the daily stage if we like it?
- Can we create multistage stages?
- Can we do scripting/triggers of any sort?
- Is there a possibility of using are own pictures as backgrounds?
- Is the music selection strictly whats already in Brawl?
- Will there be updates for the issues this will most likely bring up?
- Are we stuck with Battle Stages or could we make Break the Target and like?
Those are just a few things I like to know. I really hate to get a level I truly enjoyed and only be able to use it for one day.
The update says "For music, you'll only be able to choose from the songs you have available." Though what that means I am not sure. I kinda sounds vague on purpose. Like you can have other music but it must be available first. What do you all think?
Also break the target would be hard to make because the targets could be out of reach but appear to not be. Does that make sense?
I'm almost certain that means you can only use the music that you've unlocked so far, by picking up the CDs that appear as items during matches.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 29, 2007, 04:18:30 AM
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Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
Personal pictures as backgrounds is very possible, especially with the Wii photo channel so easily available.
Wangland, confirmed!
I had this idea back in SSB64 when I wanted to create "The Box": a square level with a small hole in the top that players can be knocked out of.
This is easily the best feature this game has seen to date. I've always been a fan of level editors and the really cool part is that this will actually be better than Halo 3's level editor.
Post by: Ceric on October 29, 2007, 05:37:07 AM
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Originally posted by: tombo125Quote
Originally posted by: Ceric
I'm looking at this and there are a few things I like to know.
- Can we save the daily stage if we like it?
- Can we create multistage stages?
- Can we do scripting/triggers of any sort?
- Is there a possibility of using are own pictures as backgrounds?
- Is the music selection strictly whats already in Brawl?
- Will there be updates for the issues this will most likely bring up?
- Are we stuck with Battle Stages or could we make Break the Target and like?
Those are just a few things I like to know. I really hate to get a level I truly enjoyed and only be able to use it for one day.
The update says "For music, you'll only be able to choose from the songs you have available." Though what that means I am not sure. I kinda sounds vague on purpose. Like you can have other music but it must be available first. What do you all think?
Also break the target would be hard to make because the targets could be out of reach but appear to not be. Does that make sense?
Yes, thats true but, I'm sure they'll be levels with area's you couldn't get to. If someone makes an impossible Break the Target then no one will play it. The Evolution part of Creationism will come into play the level will die out except in niche Ecosystems. Though I'm wondering if they have debug code that could check to see that at least one character could reach all the targets. Be some interesting code... Probably take a little bit to run to...
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 29, 2007, 05:44:05 AM
1. Did anyone else notice Mario climbing a ladder in this? Classic DK stage confirmed?
2. King Dedede is floating (as we knew he could probably do). A heavy with Kirby's floating powers might be interesting...
3. "You can submit in both the Snapshots mode and the Stage Builder mode, allowing everyone to enjoy the creations of others. The fun of sharing is one of the ways that I wanted to take advantage of Wi-Fi for something other than pure battling."
Sounds like you can submit screenshots as well.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 29, 2007, 05:49:38 AM
Post by: Mikintosh on October 29, 2007, 06:42:11 AM
Anyway, I think it's a very cool idea, though since I'm usually too lazy to build levels myself when games have this option, I'll probably just be playing everybody else's. And I think only having the three backgrounds is fine, as Sora doesn't want to created levels to be competing aesthetically with the ones they built themselves, and the excitement's supposed to be coming from the design anyway.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 29, 2007, 06:54:38 AM
Post by: NinjaWang on October 29, 2007, 07:21:12 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 29, 2007, 07:23:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
3 things...
1. Did anyone else notice Mario climbing a ladder in this? Classic DK stage confirmed?
2. King Dedede is floating (as we knew he could probably do). A heavy with Kirby's floating powers might be interesting...
3. "You can submit in both the Snapshots mode and the Stage Builder mode, allowing everyone to enjoy the creations of others. The fun of sharing is one of the ways that I wanted to take advantage of Wi-Fi for something other than pure battling."
Sounds like you can submit screenshots as well.
1. I did. Like Bill said, that was shown off months ago on the DK stage, but this officially confirms it. Wonder what type of stages outside Rumble falls and user created levels will have ladder climbing.
2. That was expected. However, considering that he is a heavy his floating abilities will be very limited and fall quickly.
3. That was kinda confirmed on the "snapshot" update. Turns out the blurred pink option was the "submit" option.
Post by: vudu on October 29, 2007, 07:59:00 AM
QuoteRevisionist Theory FTW
Originally posted by: IceCold
Do you guys remember, a while back, Sakurai had a post where he blurred out one of the buttons? Well, I remember it being pink, and looking suspiciously like the "Submit" button in this update. But I can't figure out which update it's from..
I thought at first it was from the Snapshots update, but the "Submit" isn't blurred in that one (anymore?). Was it the one, or has Sakurai used some revisionist theory?
Can I get a Hell Yeah?
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 29, 2007, 08:18:09 AM
Post by: Crimm on October 29, 2007, 08:31:56 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 29, 2007, 08:55:19 AM
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Originally posted by: Crimm
How many days till the one Nintendo sends me is "Wang Cockfield"
Not sure how long it will take Nintendo to send you that one, but I'll make sure to get one out there as soon as I get the game. It'll be COCKTASTIC!
Post by: NinjaWang on October 29, 2007, 09:24:47 AM
I guess the tourney folk will be happy making flat stages
Post by: Strell on October 29, 2007, 09:36:43 AM
Actually, this isn't a bad idea for creating a 999% possibility, just for fun.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 29, 2007, 09:51:06 AM
Post by: NinjaWang on October 29, 2007, 09:57:43 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I want a box with one small hole just to watch players at 800% damage ricochet around inside it like a ping pong ball in a clothes dryer.
idea stolen
Post by: Mashiro on October 29, 2007, 10:40:49 AM
Seriously I did. =)
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 29, 2007, 10:50:02 AM
Post by: Ceric on October 29, 2007, 11:55:59 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 29, 2007, 01:16:36 PM
We actually loved the Zelda II Temple because of the "Cave of Invincibility" where players would typically hide out after they reached 100% damage and could reach 300-400% as long as they stayed in the cave because it made them nigh-impossible to smash out. You basically had to ricochet them and get lucky in order to KO them out of the cave.
It made for great fun.
Post by: Jensen on October 29, 2007, 03:16:41 PM
QuoteVery simple solution here: require the creator of the map to qualify it by beating it before he can play it outside of the editor.
Also break the target would be hard to make because the targets could be out of reach but appear to not be. Does that make sense?
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Wow this is a surprising update, I'm interested in seeing how much depth this mode has in what you build with. Regardless looks like Sakurai jabbed Sony and Little Big Planet in the eye with a screwdriver.
Nintendo have depth with a level editor? HA. The Little Big Planet editor is powerful enough that you could recreate any level in the game. This Smash one looks very simple.
I hope someday Nintendo will open up more to let us sharing custom things without friend codes. I play Trackmania Nations on my PC. It includes a fairly simple level editor and users have created thousands of tracks with it. Nintendo couldn't have something that allows you host a game with custom content without a friend code, even anonymously, because someone my spell a bad word with the track pieces.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 29, 2007, 03:31:00 PM
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Originally posted by: JensenQuoteVery simple solution here: require the creator of the map to qualify it by beating it before he can play it outside of the editor.
Also break the target would be hard to make because the targets could be out of reach but appear to not be. Does that make sense?Quote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Wow this is a surprising update, I'm interested in seeing how much depth this mode has in what you build with. Regardless looks like Sakurai jabbed Sony and Little Big Planet in the eye with a screwdriver.
Nintendo have depth with a level editor? HA. The Little Big Planet editor is powerful enough that you could recreate any level in the game. This Smash one looks very simple.
I hope someday Nintendo will open up more to let us sharing custom things without friend codes. I play Trackmania Nations on my PC. It includes a fairly simple level editor and users have created thousands of tracks with it. Nintendo couldn't have something that allows you host a game with custom content without a friend code, even anonymously, because someone my spell a bad word with the track pieces.
The depth will clearly come from the player's creativity and imagination. It may look simple but I've seen people create some insane stuff with very simple tools (see Mii channel). So don't dismiss it so early on. Also, I think what Golden meant was that the most hyped feature in LBP is level customization when Brawl and many other games will have it.
Post by: mantidor on October 29, 2007, 03:44:37 PM
Post by: Crimm on October 29, 2007, 03:47:39 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 29, 2007, 08:09:46 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 29, 2007, 08:09:55 PM
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 29, 2007, 08:24:17 PM
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Post by: HadesGigas on October 29, 2007, 09:27:53 PM
DK does it in this video to a Koopa Troopa: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26644.html
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 29, 2007, 09:54:05 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 30, 2007, 01:56:34 AM
Maybe something like Pachinko, which would be very simple, fast and fun.
Post by: NinjaWang on October 30, 2007, 02:28:15 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 30, 2007, 02:52:53 AM
Post by: NinjaWang on October 30, 2007, 03:01:49 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 30, 2007, 03:44:26 AM
Event Battle
VS. Mode (Multiplayer Mode)
Photo Review
Online Messaging
Trophy Mode
Sticker Mode
Gambling Mode (However you get new trophies/stickers/music
Music Mode
PS3 Ending Mode
I think that is about it.
Post by: NinjaWang on October 30, 2007, 04:21:56 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 30, 2007, 04:55:05 AM
Post by: vudu on October 30, 2007, 07:08:13 AM
Can I get a Hell Yeah?
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 30, 2007, 07:08:52 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 30, 2007, 12:08:55 PM
Would be kind of over-kill if she were just an Assist Trophy or minor story character, no? *shrug*
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 30, 2007, 12:18:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Looks like Ninty's ninjas have finally gotten word on the tidbit about Krystal being in the game...The credits involving Brawl have been completely removed from AlesiaGlidewell.com...
Would be kind of over-kill if she were just an Assist Trophy or minor story character, no? *shrug*
I'd DEFINITELY lean toward playable, then. I highly doubt they'd make this much of a stink over an AT and Krystal just plain makes sense.
Also, supposedly the guy who does Sonic's voice had the info on his website 3 WEEKS before Sonic was announced.
Funny, eh?
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 30, 2007, 08:02:43 PM
(And laugho, a Jack-'o-Lantern!)
Post by: Arbok on October 30, 2007, 08:06:15 PM
Post by: Adrock on October 30, 2007, 08:10:06 PM
The bottom left platform looks like it opens and closes.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 30, 2007, 08:16:01 PM
It most definitely is!
Probably means Balloon Fighter won't be a combatant (else they'd save the fish for a Balloon Fight stage)...
Post by: Arbok on October 30, 2007, 09:10:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Probably means Balloon Fighter won't be a combatant (else they'd save the fish for a Balloon Fight stage)...
Sounds good to me... as he would make a better assist trophy than a playable fighter, IMO.
Post by: GeneralTraag on October 30, 2007, 11:46:15 PM
I am just trying to think of a way for Balloon Fighter to still be playable, and hopefully he is.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 31, 2007, 12:35:34 AM
Speaking of stages, one of my friends says that the mountain summit stage was planned for Melee, along with a FE themed stage, but was scrapped but you could see it listed on the debug menu cheat.
This means that Brawl will definitely be host to features that were planned for Melee but cut at the last minute.
Post by: HadesGigas on October 31, 2007, 01:26:31 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Its official: Balloon Fighter and Ice Climber take place in the same universe! Seriously, this is the second time they have linked both games in the SSB series, the first time being in Melee when you could choose the Balloon Flight theme song in the Ice Climbers stage.
Speaking of stages, one of my friends says that the mountain summit stage was planned for Melee, along with a FE themed stage, but was scrapped but you could see it listed on the debug menu cheat.
This means that Brawl will definitely be host to features that were planned for Melee but cut at the last minute.
This is true.
Two debug levels were AKANEIA (a location from FE1 & 3, causes a crash when you try to open it), and IceTop (Which would go to the regular Icicle Mountain stage with no music).
Post by: Pale on October 31, 2007, 01:43:18 AM
I'm kind of sad that apparently the pterodactyl is not though...
Pap, the reason the games are so often linked is that they were really sister games in the same way Kid Icarus and Metroid were on the NES. Phase based with two player co-op. It amazes me that so many people haven't played them. They were both probably my most replayed NES games and they are currently my favorte games on VC. You should all pick them up!
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 31, 2007, 02:05:18 AM
This makes 18 known stages in the game, with no franchise having more than one...The remaining franchises that do not have a known stage are F-Zero and Sonic...The Metroid Norfair stage and the Mario Circuit stage also need to have their profiles revealed...
Post by: Louieturkey on October 31, 2007, 02:12:35 AM
Post by: Tanookisuit on October 31, 2007, 02:54:00 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on October 31, 2007, 03:23:09 AM
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Originally posted by: PaleI'm kind of sad that apparently the pterodactyl is not though...
I bet it will fly by carrying items, when the glacier is still at the top of the mountain. It'd be too weird for it to be omitted.
That fish is freaky looking at that size. Reminds me of a certain lungfish.
I wouldn't be surprised if Balloon Fighter shows up as an unlockable character using the same eggplant "franchise icon" as the Ice Climbers, now. They do seem to share the same universe.
Edit: I just noticed he threw in a jack-o-lantern on the Halloween update. It could just be a coincidence, but it's still fun.
Post by: tombo125 on October 31, 2007, 03:37:34 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 31, 2007, 03:37:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Tanookisuit
There's a Mario Stage, Bill- Delfino Island
Ah crap, that's what I get for copy/pasting stuff I did at 4 in the morning... =|
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 31, 2007, 04:04:33 AM
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Originally posted by: tombo125
Did anybody notice that in the last picture that king dedede is in the water? Does that mean that you cannot be knocked out below the stage? Of course the fish is there so you will likely get eaten anyway. Does anybody think that there may be the ability to swim?
That was pseudo confirmed at E for All. The Delfino Plaza videos showed players being knocked into the water and floating/swimming.
Pale: I see what you mean. I think the Balloon Fighter has a chance since BF has been popular lately, with Smooth Mooves featuring a Wii version of Balloon Trip, although I think he will be an assist.
Post by: Robageejammin on October 31, 2007, 04:49:07 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 31, 2007, 04:53:30 AM
Post by: Pale on October 31, 2007, 04:55:33 AM
He's obviously set up to be another floater like kirby, meta knight, and pit.
He could have a needle throwing special move, because he's theoretically popping the baddies balloons in the original game with a needle.
He could have a shield move where he uses one of his balloons to block an attack. The explosion of the popping balloon could do bomb calibur damage to anyone in range. The catch would be that this move could only be used twice per life (for his two balloons). After the first time, his floating could be weakened. After the second time, he can't float at all.
Maybe do another move in the same vein where he deflates one of his balloons for a massive damage projectile attack that can only be used twice per stock.
Maybe have his b-up move re-inflate some of his balloons but have it take long enough that it's tough to do without getting hit and interrupted.
Tie all that together with a pair system similar to the climbers, and I'm sure you could go off of that.
I think it'd be cool.
Post by: Robageejammin on October 31, 2007, 05:04:01 AM
Post by: tombo125 on October 31, 2007, 06:03:55 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: tombo125
Did anybody notice that in the last picture that king dedede is in the water? Does that mean that you cannot be knocked out below the stage? Of course the fish is there so you will likely get eaten anyway. Does anybody think that there may be the ability to swim?
That was pseudo confirmed at E for All. The Delfino Plaza videos showed players being knocked into the water and floating/swimming.
Where is that video? I remember what you are talking about but I cant find it.
Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2007, 06:06:03 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 31, 2007, 08:04:22 AM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
The greatest part about this is how much better this stage looks compared to their one in Melee...
Agreed.
The Melee one was shut off because it was such crap to our circle.
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Originally posted by: Pale
Not that I think he'll be playable, but they could do something.
He's obviously set up to be another floater like kirby, meta knight, and pit.
He could have a needle throwing special move, because he's theoretically popping the baddies balloons in the original game with a needle.
He could have a shield move where he uses one of his balloons to block an attack. The explosion of the popping balloon could do bomb calibur damage to anyone in range. The catch would be that this move could only be used twice per life (for his two balloons). After the first time, his floating could be weakened. After the second time, he can't float at all.
Maybe do another move in the same vein where he deflates one of his balloons for a massive damage projectile attack that can only be used twice per stock.
Maybe have his b-up move re-inflate some of his balloons but have it take long enough that it's tough to do without getting hit and interrupted.
Tie all that together with a pair system similar to the climbers, and I'm sure you could go off of that.
I think it'd be cool.
I could actually see that working, but I agree with Bill's logic that if the fish is here, it probably won't be in a Ballon Fighter level (unless they used it in both levels). Then again, Sakurai did hint very strongly about the fish so it's possible.
I wonder if the fish can eat players whole...
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 31, 2007, 08:10:48 AM
Post by: NinjaWang on October 31, 2007, 08:39:30 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 31, 2007, 04:04:46 PM
I hate to say it, but my friends and I were always big on stationary levels with maybe 1-2 moving hazards but that's all. I think Powerstone 2 didn't go over very well for this exact reason.
I'm betting that most of the Brawl stages which offer obstacles which tend to jump out and attack you will be quickly off the list. I'm hoping stages like Delphino still fare well because they're really just a set of platforms which change on occasion but the rest is purely cosmetic.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 31, 2007, 04:12:30 PM
Gimme hazards...Lots of hazards!
Post by: Mario on October 31, 2007, 04:19:01 PM
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I just realized that, with the advent of the stage editor, stages updates no longer interest me.
I hate to say it, but my friends and I were always big on stationary levels with maybe 1-2 moving hazards but that's all. I think Powerstone 2 didn't go over very well for this exact reason.
I'm betting that most of the Brawl stages which offer obstacles which tend to jump out and attack you will be quickly off the list. I'm hoping stages like Delphino still fare well because they're really just a set of platforms which change on occasion but the rest is purely cosmetic.
I sense much fear and weakness
Post by: Adrock on October 31, 2007, 05:00:36 PM
And, as a value whore, I really would like to see all the older stages remade for Brawl. The more options and additions there are the better. It took years of playing nearly everyday to get tired of the other Smash games, but I did get tired of them. Melee is almost unplayable to me now though admittedly due primarily to Brawl's sheer awesomeness. I almost feel like Sakurai and his team set the bar so high that the expectations for this game are unattainable and that I'll find myself disappointed in something. For instance, the introduction of 3rd party characters has spoiled me. I'll probably always think in the back of my mind how much more awesome the game could have been with character X or Y.
It won't ruin the experience or come close but hype is almost universally a bad thing. I can't remember the last game I was super-hyped about that actually lived up to all my expectations. The original Metroid Prime was close and without thinking too hard about it, MP was probably the closest it ever got.
Post by: ShyGuy on October 31, 2007, 05:12:22 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 31, 2007, 05:38:58 PM
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I just realized that, with the advent of the stage editor, stages updates no longer interest me.
I hate to say it, but my friends and I were always big on stationary levels with maybe 1-2 moving hazards but that's all. I think Powerstone 2 didn't go over very well for this exact reason.
I'm betting that most of the Brawl stages which offer obstacles which tend to jump out and attack you will be quickly off the list. I'm hoping stages like Delphino still fare well because they're really just a set of platforms which change on occasion but the rest is purely cosmetic.
I wouldn't worry about Brawl's stages, though. Save for a couple of moving stages and hazard crazy stages (Rumble falls, Norfair, Summit, Eldin, Wario Ware and such) they all seem pretty stationary with the backkground providing the action and eye candy. The most I've seen has been destructible platforms and pillar and those can be avoided.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 31, 2007, 07:59:51 PM
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I'm the opposite...99% of custom stages I've seen don't tickle my fancy (or are just plain crap), which makes me appreciate the set stages even more...
It is WAY too early to be making an assumption like this.
Brawl isn't even finished yet. The new physics of the game (and they are new) could make the gameplay feel very different in terms of level flow.
Furthermore, the "custom stages" are designed around a partial editor someone made from screenshots.
I'm quite certain there will be custom stages which outdo the native ones in Brawl.
Besides, a lot of these hazards sound neat on paper but, if Melee is any indication, they might just be irritating in practice.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 31, 2007, 08:10:34 PM
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I'm the opposite...99% of custom stages I've seen don't tickle my fancy (or are just plain crap), which makes me appreciate the set stages even more...
It is WAY too early to be making an assumption like this.
Brawl isn't even finished yet. The new physics of the game (and they are new) could make the gameplay feel very different in terms of level flow.
Furthermore, the "custom stages" are designed around a partial editor someone made from screenshots.
I'm quite certain there will be custom stages which outdo the native ones in Brawl.
Besides, a lot of these hazards sound neat on paper but, if Melee is any indication, they might just be irritating in practice.
Hazards will rock, they have always rocked!
Post by: ShyGuy on October 31, 2007, 08:17:07 PM
Post by: Adrock on October 31, 2007, 08:37:38 PM
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The latest update is suck/10
Is that meant to read: suck out of 10? If so, that's one of your funniest posts ever...
Post by: Mikintosh on October 31, 2007, 09:50:12 PM
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Before, we move on to the next update, I'm amazed nobody said anything thread derailing about global warming when the mountain stage melted and slid into the ocean.
Oh, um...is Sakurai aiming for a Nobel too?
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I love the set stages though I've always wanted a stage editor in Smash Bros. I reached points in the hundreds of hours I spent playing both the original and Melee where I just got plain bored of the stages and characters. I'm a value whore so I'm always up for more stuff. Even though I'm terribly skeptical of the idea of customizable characters in Smash Bros., I'm totally open to the idea though I doubt they'd put it in if it didn't work.
And, as a value whore, I really would like to see all the older stages remade for Brawl. The more options and additions there are the better. It took years of playing nearly everyday to get tired of the other Smash games, but I did get tired of them. Melee is almost unplayable to me now though admittedly due primarily to Brawl's sheer awesomeness. I almost feel like Sakurai and his team set the bar so high that the expectations for this game are unattainable and that I'll find myself disappointed in something. For instance, the introduction of 3rd party characters has spoiled me. I'll probably always think in the back of my mind how much more awesome the game could have been with character X or Y.
It won't ruin the experience or come close but hype is almost universally a bad thing. I can't remember the last game I was super-hyped about that actually lived up to all my expectations. The original Metroid Prime was close and without thinking too hard about it, MP was probably the closest it ever got.
Yeah, you might want to take the bar you've set for this game that you've currently placed in sub-orbit and bring it down some. The expectations for Brawl are a little higher since it's been 6 years since Melee came out, but it doesn't need to be a big, boffo package just because of that. The game's going to be $50 like any other one, so if you keep your expectations at around that level, you'll probably even be pleasantly surprised sometimes.
Post by: LuigiHann on October 31, 2007, 10:56:45 PM
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I'm the opposite...99% of custom stages I've seen don't tickle my fancy (or are just plain crap), which makes me appreciate the set stages even more...
99% of the custom stages you've seen so far look like Picross solutions.
Post by: HadesGigas on November 01, 2007, 01:45:16 AM
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So Meta Knight has the most powerful attack in the game?
One of the most powerful attacks, at least.
But it is also the easiest to totally miss.
Post by: Ceric on November 01, 2007, 02:30:49 AM
It be somewhat hard to land and I'm sure that when he slashes the other players its just really a love tap. Unlike, say Samus, which could clear a field if everyone is at the right percentage. On the flipside though 1 guarenteed smash is a good thing.
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 01, 2007, 03:18:20 AM
As for Set Stages, they appeal to me the most as well. But you can still do things to make them interesting.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 01, 2007, 10:02:26 AM
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ShyGuy: Yeah I was thinking just that. It is nice to have small updates every day, but eventually the hype it creates becomes stale and you are just desiring the next BIG announcement.
I don't mind small updates, though it seems kind of lame that it wasn't at least a "double small" update since everyone knew what Meta's final smash was from E for All!
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 01, 2007, 10:05:33 AM
1. Ouendan/EBA as playable
2. Phoenix Wright/Resident Evil character as playable
3. 8 player support
4. Eternal Darkness character as playable
These would be it, and largely because I absolutely do not expect any of them to happen. To a lesser extent, a character creator, but even that wouldn't wow me as much as the aforementioned.
I can't think of anything else which I'd consider a reason to stay up late to see these updates. I fully expect Megaman to be in the game but I honestly couldn't care less as I've never cared about his games. And if Sora or Cloud was announced as playble, I think I'd cry "NEGATOOOOOON" as I'd consider it a bad thing.
Post by: ShyGuy on November 01, 2007, 10:27:29 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 01, 2007, 10:54:56 AM
~ Marin as playable or Assist Trophy
~ Midna/Wolf Link playable
~ Isaac (Golden Sun) playable
~ Phoenix Wright playable
~ Lip playable
And I'm sure there are more things that are yet to be revealed that I didn't really think of that will be megaton-worthy...
Post by: Mashiro on November 01, 2007, 11:01:42 AM
- Isaac Playable (<3 Issac)
- Frog and or Crono Playable
- Character Creation Mode
- Mega Man(X) and or Zero Playable
Post by: Darkheart on November 01, 2007, 11:31:48 AM
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I think the only updates which could make me cry "MEGATOOOOOON" at this point would be:
1. Ouendan/EBA as playable
2. Phoenix Wright/Resident Evil character as playable
3. 8 player support
4. Eternal Darkness character as playable
These would be it, and largely because I absolutely do not expect any of them to happen. To a lesser extent, a character creator, but even that wouldn't wow me as much as the aforementioned.
I can't think of anything else which I'd consider a reason to stay up late to see these updates. I fully expect Megaman to be in the game but I honestly couldn't care less as I've never cared about his games. And if Sora or Cloud was announced as playble, I think I'd cry "NEGATOOOOOON" as I'd consider it a bad thing.
I agree on the Cloud front. If Sora however was in Brawl I . . . I . . . I dont know what I would do. My whole desk is surrounded by wallscrolls and action figures from Kingdom Hearts. I dont care if I am a blatant hardcore fan of the series I really love it <3 <3 <3.
Megaman NEEDS to be in brawl and I am sorry guys X doesnt cut it I want teh CLASSIC.
Bill is right I want a Midna/Wolf Link character though I would be happy with a Midna Beast/Pretty humanoid Midna combo that would switch via Zelda/Shiek. . .
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 01, 2007, 11:43:37 AM
As for Sora and Cloud as much as I love Sora as a character I wouldn't want him to be Square's only representative. Square has a VERY rich history in characters so they have a lot to choose from. Not only that choosing Sora would be ignoring Final Fantasy, a series which saved Square from bankruptcy, has a MAJOR presence on Nintendo consoles and is one of the important franchises in existence. Hell, they even have Dragonquest, which is far more popular than FF in Japan! So why go with a character that while popular lacks the legacy many other characters have?
And Cloud...f%ck Cloud. He's an overhyped character that only yaoi fan fiction writing, emo boy kissing other boys loving FFVII fanbitches like. FFVII might have been popular but it shouldn't be a representative for the WHOLE series, especially since there were fans before FFVII. Hell, Cloud would piss the hell out of me.
Here is a list of characters that should be Square's representatives in Brawl:
- Chocobo
- Moogle
- Slime (DQ)
- The FF classes (White Mage, Black Mage, Ninja, Red Mage and Thief)
So to sum it up...
- For an update to surprise me and make me cry "MEGATOOOOOOOOOOOON!" it would have to be something that no one expected nor Sakurai suggested.
- Sora nor Cloud shouldn't be in the game as Square's sole representatives since they many much more iconic characters to choose from.
Post by: Mikintosh on November 01, 2007, 12:09:08 PM
Regardless, I think we're getting off-topic.
Post by: Mashiro on November 01, 2007, 12:29:00 PM
. . .jk
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 01, 2007, 12:34:27 PM
-King Deedee Final Smash
-King Deedee Moveset
You can BANK on it!
Post by: IceCold on November 01, 2007, 12:37:38 PM
(lol Mario still ended up buying Twilight Princess)
Post by: Adrock on November 01, 2007, 12:42:49 PM
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And Cloud...f%ck Cloud.
I still don't understand all the Cloud hate. A friend of mine jokingly said he'd boycott the game if Cloud made it in. Including Cloud would only be good for the game. How many FF fans would buy a Wii and Brawl just for Cloud? Probably a lot.... for ONE character and everyone who buys the game for Cloud increases the number of "hardcore gamers" who own Wiis. "Oh, Cloud made it in over character X or Y." Wah! Chain of Memories is a technicality that makes Cloud eligible but not a very likely reason to be chosen so I'm convinced that Cloud would only make it in if Wii gets a FFVII related game (remake or sequel). What you'll probably get in return (better 3rd party support) for "putting up with" Cloud in Brawl is well worth it and then some. Don't get me wrong though. I'd rather see other characters fill a spot. I just wouldn't be pissed to see Cloud in the game, especially for what it could mean for Wii in the long run.
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...but it doesn't need to be a big, boffo package just because of that.
Too late. 3rd party characters. 4-player online multiplayer. Stage Editor. Sakurai and his team have already set the bar to almost unattainable levels. With 3 months left until release, many people probably still expect them to top what they've already announced.
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Post by: Mikintosh on November 01, 2007, 02:24:10 PM
Actually, that's a not a very good entry. Who defines a word with the word?
And for the last time, the rationale for Snake being in is that his first appearances were in NES games, and Sonic has spent the last five years being in the Advance/Rush series, along with the Cube ports and Secret Rings. Cloud being a minor character in one GBA game is not enough of a rationale, not to mention he's already been overexposed about a billion and a half times more then was neccessary.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 01, 2007, 02:56:34 PM
MK's final looks pretty good, but I once again hope that they're not balancing characters around final smashes...
Post by: Adrock on November 01, 2007, 03:11:07 PM
Snake being included in Brawl should be the biggest insult to anyone who's complaining about Cloud, a character who isn't even in the game. I really don't feel like getting into all that again.
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Cloud being a minor character in one GBA game is not enough of a rationale, not to mention he's already been overexposed about a billion and a half times more then was neccessary.
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from my last post:
Chain of Memories is a technicality that makes Cloud eligible but not a very likely reason to be chosen so I'm convinced that Cloud would only make it in if Wii gets a FFVII related game (remake or sequel).
I'm not championing Cloud. I already said I'd rather see other characters take the spot first. I just don't understand the hate. Sakurai and Nintendo included Snake as a favor to Kojima. As far as I'm concerned, Snake was barely eligible. I'm sure if Cloud makes it in, Nintendo will have a damn good reason for it.
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Yeah, sorry for derailing the hell out of this thread.
Apology not accepted.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 01, 2007, 03:22:48 PM
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Here is a list of characters that should be Square's representatives in Brawl:
- Geno
Fixed.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on November 01, 2007, 08:06:51 PM
They all look great...I especially like Ike's, Luca's, and Pit's...
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 02, 2007, 01:46:22 AM
Can't wait to see what they come up with for the new and Melee veterans!
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Post by: Bill Aurion on November 02, 2007, 05:10:25 AM
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I knew that character intros were back, but it hadn't occurred to me that Melee-introduced characters like the Ice Climbers would of course have never-before-seen intros. Did anyone see what Peach's intro looks like?
She appears in a blast of rose petals with her umbrella out...
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 04, 2007, 03:15:55 PM
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Post by: Luigi Dude on November 04, 2007, 06:03:31 PM
And you see people some of the songs are fully orchestrated. Now all you real orchestra lovers can finally be happy. Since using an orchestra to do all the music is too expensive most of the songs are MIDI, but the Fire Emblem theme proves that they are using that full orchestra with Latin lyrics Sakurai mentioned back on the old website in 2006 for more songs then just the Main Theme.
My guess is since Mario Galaxy has 28 songs performed by Orchestra, that's the most Nintendo is willing to spend money on. So I'd guess Brawl will have somewhere around 20 Orchestrated songs in it.
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Post by: Adrock on November 04, 2007, 06:34:10 PM
Movie was pretty cool. Song was okay. I still like the one from Melee more.
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 04, 2007, 07:39:41 PM
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Yay! Early updates!
Actually it's not early since this is the new time for all updates. Since Japan didn't have Daylights Savings like we did here in America, the site is being updated in Japan at the same time it's always been. But because all the clocks in America have now been set back an hour, the updates will now be an hour earlier then they used to be.
So all of us that stay up late for the updates have just been given an extra hour of sleep each night.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 04, 2007, 11:20:23 PM
the Fire Emblem music too!
Post by: Ceric on November 05, 2007, 12:55:58 AM
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Oh yeah I was right, Daylight Savings FTW!!!
And you see people some of the songs are fully orchestrated. Now all you real orchestra lovers can finally be happy. Since using an orchestra to do all the music is too expensive most of the songs are MIDI, but the Fire Emblem theme proves that they are using that full orchestra with Latin lyrics Sakurai mentioned back on the old website in 2006 for more songs then just the Main Theme.
My guess is since Mario Galaxy has 28 songs performed by Orchestra, that's the most Nintendo is willing to spend money on. So I'd guess Brawl will have somewhere around 20 Orchestrated songs in it.
Go Tuba Go! I actually think that there could be more then 20 for the simple fact that Brawl could "steal" those 28 songs from Galaxy if they so choice. I mean Asset Reuse is cost saving and it would add a higher authenticity and production value to boot. Its a win-win. Now if there is orchestration on some of the other series then there golden.
Post by: Mashiro on November 05, 2007, 02:50:05 AM
Rayquaza got pwned for lack of a better word lol.
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Post by: mantidor on November 05, 2007, 04:56:23 AM
They don't even need lyrics, the opening of TP with a chorus would sound awesome even if they were just singing without words.
Corruption's opening theme would also sound awesome, but its like Japan hates Prime games for some reason, I'm starting to lose hope something from Prime will make it into the game.
Post by: Pale on November 05, 2007, 05:19:56 AM
He's just misunderstood.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 05, 2007, 06:14:41 AM
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I understood that he was about to have a tasty monkey snack before Fox intervened.
I don't think Rayquaza was going to eat him... although I wouldn't be surprised if he intended to kill him. Pale is right though in that Rayquaza isn't pure evil or anything, although if you go by the Anime as canon he is very territorial, and certainly had no qualm with disintegrating a Deoxys with his Hyper Beam. Perhaps the Emissary ticked him off and brought him into the region, and now he's off on a rampage?
Post by: Pale on November 05, 2007, 06:29:07 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 05, 2007, 08:03:47 AM
Even Pokemans gotta eat.
Post by: nickmitch on November 05, 2007, 08:25:20 AM
Edit: Wait, I just thought about something. Ok, Fox zips through the air and gets shot down by the Halberd. During the tussle, Raquayza wakes up and gets shot in to the lake. He wakes up to see Fox's ship and Diddy standing next to it. This prompts Raquayza to give Diddy a stern talking to about flying ships when Fox intervenes.
Post by: Adrock on November 05, 2007, 03:59:36 PM
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but its like Japan hates Prime games for some reason, I'm starting to lose hope something from Prime will make it into the game.
Yeah, for shizzle. It just seems like Sakurai and his team just pretend that the Prime games don't exist. They deliberately chose Intelligent Systems' Samus design over Retro's, which would have been fine if they didn't choose the most up-to-date character designs of every other character. I was hoping we'd see Dark Samus, but I highly doubt it. And honestly, that's total BS. I remember reading that Sakurai likes to play the games of characters and series he includes in Smash Bros. so as to truly understand the ins and outs of that particular character/world. Flat-out choosing not to acknowledge a major part of the Metroid franchise is just utter, utter failure.
Watch, Dark Samus will conveniently be announced tonight just so I look bad.......
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Edit: Looks like they didn't use the Super Mario World fire flower... bummer
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 06, 2007, 07:21:57 AM
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Disagreed. In-game maybe, since it's the only 3D one and all. Still like the look they use in Brawl better.
Only because you don't like Prime.
Post by: Adrock on November 06, 2007, 07:26:04 AM
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I think the watch is from Super Mario Bros. 2. When you get it either the timer stops so that the match lasts longer or everything stops, including the fighters and the stage.
I meant, I didn't remember seeing the clock/stopwatch in Smash before. I just found it odd that they'd show a new item in an update about old items. But yes, I'd imagine that the new item stops on-screen action for a few seconds allowing the user to get a few good hits in. Imagine getting the clock/stopwatch then breaking the Smash Ball immediately afterwards.
Post by: HadesGigas on November 06, 2007, 08:45:06 AM
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Disagreed. In-game maybe, since it's the only 3D one and all. Still like the look they use in Brawl better.
Only because you don't like Prime.
Nah, I just like the bolder coor scheme. They're really pretty similar though.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 07, 2007, 12:51:41 AM
It means we may be seeing more of the 3rd party universe characters which will be awesome. Dr. Eggman as a boss perhaps?
But the best-est thing about this update is when Mega Man is revealed and you have Rush as an Assist Trophy...
Or how about Call dropping a random Mega Man Robot power change onto the field for Mega Man's Down Special. I love this update.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 07, 2007, 01:02:50 AM
And I hope they limit the amount of 3rd party stuff in the game, because they ARE guest characters after all...
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 07, 2007, 06:22:07 AM
"No I can't do it!"
"Come on Snake do it!"
'No I don't want to!"
Post by: nickmitch on November 07, 2007, 07:52:13 AM
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I wonder if there will be 3rd-party assist trophies from outside the universes represented by playable characters. That is to say, there are tons of Konami characters from outside the MGS series and Sega characters from outside the Sonic series that could all make pretty interesting Assist Trophies. I suppose we'll see.
I could see Sega doing this with NiGHTS.
Post by: Strell on November 07, 2007, 08:27:15 AM
We have a ninja character, and we have sword characters, but we have no sword ninja character.
And dammit, I want one.
Sakurai is a jerk for reminding me of this.
Post by: ThePerm on November 07, 2007, 12:08:55 PM
Post by: Shecky on November 07, 2007, 02:15:10 PM
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Rush makes more sense as a possible Up+B or Over+B move...
And I hope they limit the amount of 3rd party stuff in the game, because they ARE guest characters after all...
Rush?? Hah! More like Mega Man X playable and Zero as an assist trophy.... 8 bit will get the shaft, yeah you know it'll happen...
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More like Mega Man X playable and Zero as an assist trophy
If it came doesn't to it . . . I'd rather have Zero playable and X an assist trophy
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I don't know, don't count him out until we've unlocked everything!
Well, read Sakurai's post before showing off the moves:
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There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now...
Sounds like his fate is sealed.
Anyway, I would be a lot more hopeful if Lucas had different special moves, even if his smash attacks are different... but they are the same except with a face lift on a few of them.
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Post by: Adrock on November 07, 2007, 06:23:55 PM
I feel cheated out of newcomer since Lucas is basically the cookiecutter sequel to Ness. What's the point of replacing Ness with Lucas? That's reverse logic.
I suppose Ness could still make it in, but it's not looking very likely.
Post by: shammack on November 08, 2007, 12:07:11 AM
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I remember reading that Lucas was supposed to be in both the original and Melee, but was replaced by Ness twice because Nintendo kept delaying Mother 3.
I feel cheated out of newcomer since Lucas is basically the cookiecutter sequel to Ness. What's the point of replacing Ness with Lucas? That's reverse logic.
Howso? Sakurai finally gets to put the character that he wanted all along in the game. If anything, Ness was the "cookiecutter" replacement for Lucas and now you're getting the real deal.
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 08, 2007, 12:47:22 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Rush makes more sense as a possible Up+B or Over+B move...
And I hope they limit the amount of 3rd party stuff in the game, because they ARE guest characters after all...
Rush?? Hah! More like Mega Man X playable and Zero as an assist trophy.... 8 bit will get the shaft, yeah you know it'll happen...
I am one of the biggest supporters of Mega Man in Brawl...but if Classic Mega Man gets the shaft I don't want Mega Crap in my Brawl.
Alternate Costumes is ok for Mega Man X and Zero...but Classic better be in there.
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 08, 2007, 01:05:11 AM
I say Ness is destined to be an unlockable secret character. I mean, its not like they have to update his character model from Melee, but they probably will a little. His moves are solid, and balanced...he is still going to be in the game.
I think Sakurai worded the Ness comment as an indication that he existed in the other franchises and not that he was out completely of Brawl. I think you can read that sentence two different ways. And having Ness unlockable brings back the feeling of unlocking him in the first Smash Bros.
Post by: Ceric on November 08, 2007, 02:43:14 AM
Post by: nickmitch on November 08, 2007, 02:44:21 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 08, 2007, 03:21:50 AM
Post by: Sundoulos on November 08, 2007, 03:52:58 AM
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think Sakurai worded the Ness comment as an indication that he existed in the other franchises and not that he was out completely of Brawl. I think you can read that sentence two different ways. And having Ness unlockable brings back the feeling of unlocking him in the first Smash Bros.
That's how I interpreted Sakurai's comment as well, but I could see how this could be interpreted differently. I would be more worried about Ness' fate if Sakurai had not chosen to drop his name in Lucas' update.
Since Lucas' move set has significant differences, I would be very surprised if Ness isn't at least an unlockable character. After all, the developers are going so above and beyond in trying to include everything in this addition of Smash Brothers.
Oh, and count me in as one of those hoping that Mega Man will be included as another third party character.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 08, 2007, 04:08:40 AM
The other nagging feeling I can't shake is that, if Lucas is the 2nd Mother character, why wasn't Ness revealed first?
DK was revealed before Diddy.
Fox was revealed before Krystal.
Kirby was revealed before Dedede.
Marth was...uh oh...
Post by: Sundoulos on November 08, 2007, 05:08:31 AM
It still seems that there are several franchises mentioned on the composers list on the website that still haven't been revealed. We still haven't heard anything from Square or Capcom, at the very least.
Post by: Sundoulos on November 08, 2007, 05:13:16 AM
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Fox was revealed before Krystal.
Krystal is in the game? Did I miss something?
Post by: Sessha on November 08, 2007, 05:17:02 AM
Post by: nickmitch on November 08, 2007, 05:17:39 AM
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Originally posted by: SundoulosQuote
Fox was revealed before Krystal.
Krystal is in the game? Did I miss something?
It's one of those rumors with strong evidence. She's most likely in the game. As for playable, who knows?
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 08, 2007, 05:29:54 AM
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Originally posted by: Sundoulos
Krystal is in the game? Did I miss something?
A voice actress had listed Krystal from SSBB on her online website resume but it was recently removed from her list, probably at the request of Nintendo.
She's on Sakurai's list with at least 2 votes so I think that pretty much suggests playable.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 08, 2007, 06:26:48 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 08, 2007, 07:45:58 AM
Of course if Ness is gone, then it increases the chance of Marth being cut as well.
Looks like we'll all just have to wait and see.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 08, 2007, 08:27:03 AM
Lucas just has most of Ness' signature moves, especially the PK thunder self-inflicted recovery which was Ness' trademark, if you ask me. If Lucas' forward smash is a bat, then I think it's safe to say it's game over for Ness (at least except as an alt costume for Lucas).
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 08, 2007, 09:33:55 AM
"On the topic of third-party characters, does anyone else have any frontrunners?"
Megaman and Geno are the two gimmes, in my opinion...I doubt they'll have more than one playable character from each company, so I think that definitely sets Simon and Crono down a few pegs each...Bomberman is another possibility...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 08, 2007, 09:35:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Well as I've said, they aren't so much Ness' "signature moves" as they are Paula's...If they WANTED to they could easily rework a more proper Ness move set...That's what I'm hoping at least... =(
"On the topic of third-party characters, does anyone else have any frontrunners?"
Megaman and Geno are the two gimmes, in my opinion...I doubt they'll have more than one playable character from each company, so I think that definitely sets Simon and Crono down a few pegs each...Bomberman is another possibility...
Bomberman could be really cool if done right with different bomb types.
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 08, 2007, 09:51:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I think Marth's saving grace is the fact that Ike hasn't ganked any of his moves, as near as we can tell (eruption is somewhat close to Marth's shield breaker, but his Up+B definitely isn't). Also, Ike is a heavy character and is a great deal slower than Marth.
True, plus there's also the fact that Marth is the star of the upcoming Fire Emblem for the DS which is a remake of FE3. So that would make Marth a character that is still very current with his series. In a way then, Marth would then be the Roy of Brawl, being put in to advertise his upcoming game this time.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 08, 2007, 09:57:36 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 08, 2007, 10:08:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
There's also the fact that the Fire Emblem logo being used to symbolize the franchise in Brawl is still the Falchion, Marth's sword...
I've seen people mention that, but at the same time, they also mention that the sword wielded by the hero in all FE games generally looks like the Falchion.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 08, 2007, 10:14:50 AM
Post by: Adrock on November 08, 2007, 11:12:48 AM
I think Marth will still make it. From what's been shown of Ike, he's really nothing like Marth at all. It'd be a waste to just toss Marth's moveset away.
Post by: nickmitch on November 08, 2007, 12:07:06 PM
I still hope though, and I'll hope strong.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 08, 2007, 12:34:26 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
A lot of moves from existing characters have been changed around. I don't think this means Ness is guaranteed to be back.
The other nagging feeling I can't shake is that, if Lucas is the 2nd Mother character, why wasn't Ness revealed first?
DK was revealed before Diddy.
Fox was revealed before Krystal.
Kirby was revealed before Dedede.
Marth was...uh oh...
Ness, Captain Falcon, Luigi, and Jigglypuff all won't be revealed on the site unless it's JUST before release.
Mark my words.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 08, 2007, 01:12:18 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on November 08, 2007, 01:31:56 PM
Not only that, but no character that has been unlockable has been revealed yet. No Luigi, Jigglypuff, Ness, or Cpt. Falcon. No Marth, Roy, Mewtwo, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Falco, Ganondorf, Young Link, or Mr. Game and Watch. Regardless of clone status, this is true. No character that has been necessary to unlock in any of the games has been unveiled. They may all be gone, we don't know. We won't know until the game is out.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 08, 2007, 01:41:18 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Krystal wasn't revealed. We don't know if there will be a second StarFox character actually playable.
She hasn't been OFFICIALLY revealed, but the fact that SSB Brawl was removed from her online resume is pretty suspicious. Nintendo wouldn't get up in arms about an assist trophy or a random adventure mode character. Plus, Krystal is one of the most requested characters. You are right in that we don't know for sure till they announce it but let's not dismiss it either.
Post by: nickmitch on November 08, 2007, 01:45:11 PM
Come ooonnnn Viewtiful Joe!.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 08, 2007, 01:57:30 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 08, 2007, 03:48:10 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 08, 2007, 03:51:19 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
That way they can heal or sue anyone on the spot!
Exactly.
Derek can provide medical attention and Pheonix can pass out business cards.
On the topic, tonight should hopefully be a character update...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 08, 2007, 04:01:51 PM
I now have this image of a smashed up Mario lying on the ground while Stiles is taking his pulse and Wright is putting a card on his hand while saying "I saw the whole thing...".
And I expect something crappy to end the week. This week was very weak when compared to the updates.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 08, 2007, 06:04:44 PM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on November 08, 2007, 06:06:08 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 08, 2007, 06:20:29 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on November 08, 2007, 06:20:46 PM
Post by: Ceric on November 09, 2007, 01:37:50 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on November 09, 2007, 02:25:12 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 09, 2007, 03:09:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Norfair seems a little cheap to me. Only 1 easy way to avoid the lava and then one super hard way.
Survival of the fittest...
Post by: vudu on November 09, 2007, 06:07:28 AM
QuoteWill Snake's neck snap precede all of this?
Originally posted by: pap64
I now have this image of a smashed up Mario lying on the ground while Stiles is taking his pulse and Wright is putting a card on his hand while saying "I saw the whole thing...".
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 09, 2007, 06:45:49 AM
One stage which was playable at E4All and some limp-wristed crap like "items from previous smash games you've already seen in videos anyway". At least Fox's video was kinda neat...
It's 14 weeks until Brawl's US launch (and the Japanese launch will happen sooner).
Out of the original 25 SSBM characters, only 12 have been announced, meaning that Sakurai pretty much needs to announce a classic character once every week (assuming he doesn't announce Krystal and Ridley on two of these weeks) or start informing us which ones have been sh*t canned.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 09, 2007, 07:24:00 AM
Even then, it's entirely possible that vets like Luigi, Marth, and Ganondorf will be unlockable, thus decreasing their likelihood of being revealed on the dojo...(Dammit, we don't even know for positive if they've started revealing secret characters!)
TOO MANY VARIABLES!
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 09, 2007, 08:17:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion TOO MANY VARIABLES!
I know, right?
I think we should be counting until the Japanese launch anyway (Jan 24th?) which is only 12 weeks away (we'll know ALL the secret characters a day after anyway...).
So either some of the vets will be unlockable or Sakurai will start doubling up until launch.
Actually, it makes much more sense that, in the 2-3 weeks leading up to SSBB's launch, Sakurai will carpet bomb the hell out of the dojo with updates just to get the hype meter REALLY high. I expect him to pull out the big guns for that just to ensure that everyone is whipped into a rabid fan-frenzy until the launch.
Post by: Sessha on November 09, 2007, 08:23:21 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 09, 2007, 08:25:55 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 09, 2007, 08:59:01 AM
So in other words don't except too many big weeks for November and December. My guess is we'll only see about 5 more character profiles unveiled in the next two months, two of them will probably Captain Falcon and Sheik. Then I'd imagine we'll start to see the second stage for some of the different franchises, like the Mario Kart stage and another Zelda stage. Everything else will mostly be item and how to play updates, with the usual Subspace Emissary update every once and a while.
Then in January is when the Dam will burst.
Post by: ShyGuy on November 11, 2007, 06:14:00 PM
Ike's final smash blah blah.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 12, 2007, 12:43:00 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 12, 2007, 03:16:09 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 12, 2007, 04:07:09 AM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
I just bought Fire Emblem 10 today. This update pleases me. Ike is going to be one of my mains.
But you'll be able to play as Ike...ONLINE!!!11!!!
Post by: Ceric on November 12, 2007, 05:28:03 AM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on November 12, 2007, 06:29:33 AM
Post by: Ceric on November 12, 2007, 06:57:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
If you were teammates then you wouldn't be able to hit them in the first place...
But items tend to be neutral once they leave you.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 12, 2007, 09:16:54 AM
But like I said, you CAN turn friendly fire on in team games and that does give you the ability to attack your teammate(s). This is useful if you have a "light" attack like Link's boomerang which can be used to hit your teammate and give them an additional up+B, but it takes a large amount of coordination to pull off.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on November 12, 2007, 09:46:09 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on November 12, 2007, 12:00:44 PM
With friendly fire off, you can not hurt a teammate with something that can't hurt yourself, with it on, you can. Explosives can hurt the one who threw them, so naturally, they can hurt anyone in range. Most other items can't hurt the one who threw them, so they can't hurt teammates with FF off. Think Peach's turnips.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 12, 2007, 12:14:26 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Right, but Link's bombs hurt Link, too.
Still not a good reason. Most games where you turn off friendly fire you can't hurt your teammates at all even with stuff that would damage you!
Post by: that Baby guy on November 12, 2007, 12:22:59 PM
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Post by: nickmitch on November 12, 2007, 06:03:51 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 12, 2007, 06:05:00 PM
Post by: Strell on November 12, 2007, 06:09:51 PM
HEY VEGETA, WHAT DOES THE SCOUTER SAY ABOUT HIS POWER LEVEL?
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 12, 2007, 06:11:59 PM
That new Fox one appears to be a variation of his "Wingmen Call" easter egg from Melee...And I'm still in love with Ike over his...
"Are those messages customizable or predetermined?"
Obviously customizable...This was talked about in the online smashdate, no?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 12, 2007, 06:17:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
The new thread title expresses my feeling on the matter quite well...
That new Fox one appears to be a variation of his "Wingmen Call" easter egg from Melee...And I'm still in love with Ike over his...
"Are those messages customizable or predetermined?"
Obviously customizable...This was talked about in the online smashdate, no?
Yeah but naughty words could show up and make the kids playing the game demented. Nintendo can't allow that!
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 12, 2007, 06:30:48 PM
Post by: HadesGigas on November 12, 2007, 06:30:49 PM
Post by: Shecky on November 13, 2007, 12:17:19 AM
Post by: Ceric on November 13, 2007, 12:19:03 AM
Post by: ThePerm on November 13, 2007, 06:31:45 AM
Post by: stevey on November 13, 2007, 06:19:34 PM
Post by: Gylldas on November 13, 2007, 06:26:58 PM
At least I think so...
Post by: nickmitch on November 13, 2007, 06:47:33 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on November 13, 2007, 06:55:38 PM
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Originally posted by: TVman
Gimped update.
Fixed for tasteless humor.
Post by: Mikintosh on November 13, 2007, 07:37:22 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 13, 2007, 09:21:34 PM
Don't worry... in the worst case, you'll just be wishing in vain for a new character over the 3 additional months they delayed this game to add online. That's not so bad, right?
Post by: Shecky on November 14, 2007, 12:23:34 AM
Also, I don't know if people are still whining ... err worried about the item switch. This update shows it.
Post by: Nick DiMola on November 14, 2007, 03:18:11 AM
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on November 14, 2007, 04:29:24 AM
Post by: HadesGigas on November 14, 2007, 05:19:46 AM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
Think of all the characters they could be adding and balancing with the resources they're wasting on online. Mull over it for a while, see how it tastes.
Don't worry... in the worst case, you'll just be wishing in vain for a new character over the 3 additional months they delayed this game to add online. That's not so bad, right?
If they hadn't made all these new stages they could have REALLY added a lot more characters!
Post by: vudu on November 14, 2007, 06:28:17 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 14, 2007, 07:09:14 AM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
Think of all the characters they could be adding and balancing with the resources they're wasting on online. Mull over it for a while, see how it tastes.
Tastes just fine, considering I'd probably play SSBB offline for about a week before I mastered a character, no one would want to play with me and the game would be assigned to dust collecting duty on the shelf.
Post by: IceCold on November 14, 2007, 08:20:20 AM
Also, the updates are slow because the game was delayed, like Luigi Dude said previously. Plus we have so many great games coming out that we don't need any Megaton Smash Bros announcements to keep us going. It's like their hype system with VC games.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 14, 2007, 09:09:59 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
Is that a challenge?
Of course.
One of the reasons I'm psyched for online is because I'm curious to see if I'm decent at SSB or if I suck and all the people I've played against just happen to suck harder.
I'd love nothing more than to find players better than me and study at their feet until I can match them.
I only got as decent as I did because I had some excellent sparing partners, including my brother and two friends and all of them have moved away from me over time. I miss those matches: we'd fire up a game, 3 stock, and any of the four players could win. The fact that you never knew who it would be made it that much more fun and exciting.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 14, 2007, 09:29:21 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: IceCold
Is that a challenge?
Of course.
One of the reasons I'm psyched for online is because I'm curious to see if I'm decent at SSB or if I suck and all the people I've played against just happen to suck harder.
I'd love nothing more than to find players better than me and study at their feet until I can match them.
I only got as decent as I did because I had some excellent sparing partners, including my brother and two friends and all of them have moved away from me over time. I miss those matches: we'd fire up a game, 3 stock, and any of the four players could win. The fact that you never knew who it would be made it that much more fun and exciting.
In my case, I just suck, period.
In all seriousness, the reason I never developed my skills is because I never had anyone to spar against, just the computer. Online should help me pick up on my competitive skills.
Post by: IceCold on November 14, 2007, 02:03:24 PM
Post by: Gylldas on November 14, 2007, 06:07:58 PM
I liked the music though!
Post by: nickmitch on November 14, 2007, 06:11:23 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 14, 2007, 06:11:45 PM
the Halberd theme...One of the few Kirby themes I actually listen to often...
Post by: Ceric on November 15, 2007, 12:06:55 AM
"Where's Mega?"
Reminds of something from the original Megaman serious. Dimension cape should be a little interesting.
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 15, 2007, 09:30:25 AM
This is great since it'll leave more room in the My Music section for the Halbard stage to hopefully contain the Revenge of the Meta Knight Ending Theme.
Post by: Crimm on November 15, 2007, 02:32:35 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 15, 2007, 06:10:06 PM
Post by: Gylldas on November 15, 2007, 06:14:51 PM
Still...the complete anonymity of random online matches kinda bugs me. At least in Mario Strikers you can see who you're playing against. I wonder if it will be possible to "spectate" matches between people on your friend list. That would somewhat lessen the blow I guess.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 15, 2007, 06:17:56 PM
Post by: Gylldas on November 15, 2007, 06:23:03 PM
Just something that popped into my head.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 15, 2007, 06:24:33 PM
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Post by: IceCold on November 15, 2007, 09:40:56 PM
Post by: decoyman on November 16, 2007, 03:02:39 AM
I was just thinking, they can't just randomly have a match displayed, in case it sucks. So, someone will probably have to review matches, find a good one, then post it, right? HOW COOL WOULD IT BE TO BE THAT PERSON, WHOSE JOB IT IS TO WATCH SSBB MATCHES ALL DAY LONG.
Hmm... maybe it wouldn't be cool forever, but for awhile, that job would rock
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 16, 2007, 03:31:25 AM
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Post by: Darkheart on November 17, 2007, 07:04:44 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 17, 2007, 07:20:37 PM
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Originally posted by: darkheart
There was a big rumor going around that tonight at Japan's Megaman 20th anniversary party that Megaman would be announced for Brawl but I am going to say that was a big no, unless they will wait until Mondays update to say so.
That's what I heard as well. If Megaman is indeed in Brawl that would've been the perfect time to make the announcement but I doubt it as well.
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 17, 2007, 10:01:58 PM
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Originally posted by: darkheart
There was a big rumor going around that tonight at Japan's Megaman 20th anniversary party that Megaman would be announced for Brawl but I am going to say that was a big no, unless they will wait until Mondays update to say so.
Well it's just a party today, but Megaman's actual 20th anniversary is on December 17th, which is a Monday. If Megaman is going to be shown my money is on Sakurai showing him on that day instead. Since December 17th is almost a month before Brawls Japan release date, it makes more sense that they'd wait until then because I'd imagine that final month will be full of huge updates. And what better way then to begin with the revealing of another 3rd party character.
Post by: Caterkiller on November 18, 2007, 04:29:29 AM
Post by: Darkheart on November 18, 2007, 06:49:31 AM
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller
In the screen shot with the stickers, the one farthest to the right next to toad looks like that lame Silver the hedgehog from Sonic.
Good Eye~!
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 18, 2007, 07:14:56 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 18, 2007, 07:24:36 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 18, 2007, 09:24:05 AM
I expect Silver, along with Shadow and the other Sonic characters, to be assist trophies at most.
Post by: IceCold on November 18, 2007, 10:13:01 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 18, 2007, 10:22:21 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
I'm sorry, but I haven't played a Sonic game with Silver in it. Which games has he been in, again?
He was in "Sonic the hedgehog" for the 360 and PS3. He then appeared in Sonic Rivals for the PSP.
Post by: IceCold on November 18, 2007, 10:35:59 AM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 18, 2007, 06:04:41 PM
Seems very insane! It covers the entire stage!
Post by: that Baby guy on November 18, 2007, 06:28:53 PM
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Post by: Ceric on November 19, 2007, 01:25:57 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 19, 2007, 03:57:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I wonder if Ice Climbers are just generally immune to slippery stages. It would make sense.
Have you... Never played SSBM?
Also does the iceberg like, damage people when it pops up? Or just shrink the walkable platforms and make stuff slippery?
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 19, 2007, 04:05:06 AM
And to answer your question, just read the Smashdate again!
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"Ice doesn’t just make the available ledges smaller and more slippery, but it also damages your opponents!"
Post by: Ceric on November 19, 2007, 06:30:30 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 19, 2007, 07:25:14 AM
The 'Climbers have spiked shoes so they get full traction no matter what surface they're on.
Ironically, that probably also kills their ability to wavedash and keeps them out of the higher tiers.
Post by: that Baby guy on November 19, 2007, 07:27:34 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 19, 2007, 07:53:41 AM
I'm surprised they slide, though.
I truly hope heavies get the attack priority that they should in Brawl...
Post by: Shecky on November 19, 2007, 06:09:46 PM
Looks like you can task the CPU to perform final smashes as well so that you can practice effective means at dodging them (or vice versa).
Post by: that Baby guy on November 19, 2007, 06:11:25 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 19, 2007, 06:11:39 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 19, 2007, 06:11:40 PM
These crap updates are wearing thin.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 19, 2007, 08:39:22 PM
Post by: Darkheart on November 19, 2007, 11:29:07 PM
Post by: Tanookisuit on November 20, 2007, 02:17:40 AM
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Originally posted by: darkheart
What is the soccer ball item for?
Strikers.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 20, 2007, 03:21:27 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 20, 2007, 03:52:16 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Considering I figure they will only reveal three more characters before the game is released, I'd rather they save them...
We did the math: there are still 12 Melee vets MIA and only 9 weeks left to reveal them before the Japan launch; and that's if there are no more newcomers to be revealed pre-launch.
I certainly hope the entire secret character roster in SSBM isn't going to start as locked again...
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 20, 2007, 03:58:16 AM
Post by: Ceric on November 20, 2007, 04:38:38 AM
Hoosah.
On a serious note. It seems training mode is relatively unchanged.
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 20, 2007, 05:02:50 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
We did the math: there are still 12 Melee vets MIA and only 9 weeks left to reveal them before the Japan launch; and that's if there are no more newcomers to be revealed pre-launch.
I certainly hope the entire secret character roster in SSBM isn't going to start as locked again...
Like I said earlier, don't expect anything big until January. Since the game was delayed by 2 months, everything they were planning for November was moved back until January. Which more then likely was the remaining characters.
Why else were we getting one character revealed every week until the delay, after the delay we've only gotten 1 character revealed. Before the delay we had about 6 weeks before the game would have been released. If you do the math that would equal 6 more characters being revealed before launch.
Since King Dedede was shown after the delay, that means we have about 5 more characters to be revealed before the games release. Chances are we'll only see 1 or 2 of them in the next month and then the final 3 will be shown in January when the rest of the big info comes.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 20, 2007, 07:01:54 AM
But my point stands. They could be revealing a vet character once per week and still not reveal any newcomers from now until launch, which begs the question of how many vets got the axe or will be locked for some silly reason.
Post by: nickmitch on November 20, 2007, 07:16:22 AM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on November 20, 2007, 08:42:29 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 20, 2007, 08:52:53 AM
I think the 'Dorf being back with his own moveset is pretty much a given.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 20, 2007, 08:57:00 AM
Post by: nickmitch on November 20, 2007, 09:28:14 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 20, 2007, 11:07:22 AM
There were only 5 "real" secret characters: Marth, G&W, Mewtwo, Luigi and the Jiggs. Ness and Falcon were open from the start, as well as Bowser, Zelda, Climbers and Peach, added to the original 8.
Thus, there were 19 actual characters in SSBM. 12 have been revealed and are neatly denoted as vets on the SSBB site, that leaves 7 to be revealed and 9 weeks to show them off.
We all assume the 'Dorf will be back, considering they delayed Melee to add him (or he was at least requested to the point that they added him). Even if none of the other clones make it back, that's still 8 Melee vets and 9 weeks (assuming Marth and Ness weren't axed).
I just want to say that I think locking characters that have been in past games is downright silly. It's like letting someone watch while you wrap a present and then handing it to them.
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 20, 2007, 11:26:44 AM
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We all assume the 'Dorf will be back, considering they delayed Melee to add him (or he was at least requested to the point that they added him). Even if none of the other clones make it back, that's still 8 Melee vets and 9 weeks (assuming Marth and Ness weren't axed).
You have to remember that they can show two character in one week as well. They did it with Pokemon Trainer and Peach in the same week last summer. Plus when the site first opened Mario and Link were shown on the same update and a week later Pikachu and Kirby were shown on the same update as well. During a big month like January when the game is about to be released, I wouldn't be surprised if they show more then one character some weeks like they've done in the past.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 20, 2007, 11:31:56 AM
Post by: Shecky on November 20, 2007, 01:22:22 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 20, 2007, 01:41:03 PM
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In the end, that's still the best explanation, but I'd definitely like to see a character before this week is out.
CAPTAIN FALCON!!!
Post by: nickmitch on November 20, 2007, 02:27:54 PM
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We all assume the 'Dorf will be back, considering they delayed Melee to add him (or he was at least requested to the point that they added him). Even if none of the other clones make it back, that's still 8 Melee vets and 9 weeks (assuming Marth and Ness weren't axed).
You have to remember that they can show two character in one week as well. They did it with Pokemon Trainer and Peach in the same week last summer. Plus when the site first opened Mario and Link were shown on the same update and a week later Pikachu and Kirby were shown on the same update as well. During a big month like January when the game is about to be released, I wouldn't be surprised if they show more then one character some weeks like they've done in the past.
Well, to be fair, Peach was a vet who was in a SSE trailer, IIRC. And when the site first opened, it made since for them to quickly [sic] go through the characters that were in the original trailer.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 20, 2007, 02:29:39 PM
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In the end, that's still the best explanation, but I'd definitely like to see a character before this week is out.
CAPTAIN FALCON!!!
Haha, I say we blame Luigi Dude for officially jinxing Falcon's Dojo appearance!
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 20, 2007, 06:07:36 PM
Post by: Gylldas on November 20, 2007, 06:20:11 PM
I also just have a hunch that we'll be getting something special tomorrow...but I'm probably wrong...
EDIT:
I meant to say Thursday
Post by: Adrock on November 20, 2007, 06:28:55 PM
Ganon's Puppet Zelda would be pretty cool.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 20, 2007, 06:53:24 PM
Post by: Ceric on November 21, 2007, 12:35:42 AM
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They knew the delay was coming LONG before it was announced and the updates would have been done accordingly for a while before as well.
But my point stands. They could be revealing a vet character once per week and still not reveal any newcomers from now until launch, which begs the question of how many vets got the axe or will be locked for some silly reason.
Smash I think your giving the left hand way to much credit.
Anyways, I think this update was pretty much a loser of an update for me. After all the rumors that we might get full character changing costumes just having the color changes is a let down. Though they are better than Melee I was sort of hoping to put Mario in his Paper Mario form or his Referee form. Put Link in his <insert any Link and the one Non-Link from the Zelda series>. Samus though I still have hope for but I have no real hope for Wario in his original Wario outfit.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 21, 2007, 01:29:52 AM
What? Rumours? I've seen nothing but just hopeful speculation...
Post by: Ceric on November 21, 2007, 01:55:43 AM
Rumor
1: talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source
Post by: nickmitch on November 21, 2007, 03:52:19 AM
Post by: ThePerm on November 21, 2007, 06:43:09 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 21, 2007, 09:37:06 AM
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I wasn't counting him/her/it, no.
There were only 5 "real" secret characters: Marth, G&W, Mewtwo, Luigi and the Jiggs. Ness and Falcon were open from the start, as well as Bowser, Zelda, Climbers and Peach, added to the original 8.
Thus, there were 19 actual characters in SSBM. 12 have been revealed and are neatly denoted as vets on the SSBB site, that leaves 7 to be revealed and 9 weeks to show them off.
We all assume the 'Dorf will be back, considering they delayed Melee to add him (or he was at least requested to the point that they added him). Even if none of the other clones make it back, that's still 8 Melee vets and 9 weeks (assuming Marth and Ness weren't axed).
I just want to say that I think locking characters that have been in past games is downright silly. It's like letting someone watch while you wrap a present and then handing it to them.
Luigi, Jigglypuff, Ness, Mewtwo and G&W will probably all be locked away at the start, unless they are cut from the cast. I really don't see why they would be though.
Marth may get the axe, but I have a feeling he will be in and so will Falcon, probably from the start.
I am guessing Sonic, Snake, and other 3rd party characters will also be locked away at the beginning.
Which brings me to the logical conclusion of perhaps 10 to 12 unlockable characters total.
Post by: MysticGohan on November 21, 2007, 10:07:24 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 21, 2007, 06:24:55 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 21, 2007, 06:25:09 PM
Assist Trophy update tonight, Saki Amamiya from Sin and Punishment. Not much else to say since this is another something we've known since E for All.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 21, 2007, 06:27:00 PM
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I'm guessing everyone must be sleeping tonight.
Assist Trophy update tonight, Saki Amamiya from Sin and Punishment. Not much else to say since this is another something we've known since E for All.
It was a surprise for me because I didn't pay attention to the assist trophies revealed at E for All lol.
Post by: nickmitch on November 21, 2007, 06:34:24 PM
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Luigi, Jigglypuff, Ness, Mewtwo and G&W will probably all be locked away at the start, unless they are cut from the cast. I really don't see why they would be though.
Luigi and Jigglypuff should pretty much be guaranteed. They were unlockable in both games, so I can se them keeping the tradition (especially with JP). Also, we can't forget that Ness might not be back.
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 21, 2007, 06:39:54 PM
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I wonder if this character signals the chance for a newcomer that is from Sin and Punishment?
Well consider Saki was the main character of that game, it's unlikely any Sin and Punishment characters will be playable. Since the game was Japan only until two months ago not to mention the game bombed big time in Japan when it was released on the N64, I consider getting any mention of Sin and Punishment to be a miracle.
Post by: HadesGigas on November 21, 2007, 06:40:36 PM
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I wonder if this character signals the chance for a newcomer that is from Sin and Punishment?
Has the Smash Bros icon instead of a Sin & Punishment-related icon, so nope.
Post by: Crimm on November 21, 2007, 07:45:38 PM
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I wonder if this character signals the chance for a newcomer that is from Sin and Punishment?
I highly doubt it, because he IS Sin and Punishment. He is really the only one that would make sense for "newcommer" status.
Post by: Adrock on November 21, 2007, 09:28:31 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on November 22, 2007, 03:04:28 AM
Post by: Mikintosh on November 22, 2007, 05:47:09 AM
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Because the game is no good confirmed! Palette swaps instead of alternate costumes? Assist trophies that should be playable characters? It's all downhill from here, folks...
Yeah, I'll go cancel my pre-order because there might not be an obscure character from a Japanese-only shooter and Mario in a laboratory coat...
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 22, 2007, 05:59:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric Smash I think your giving the left hand way to much credit.
Well, Sakurai is the director and the author of the blog. I think he'd be the first one to know if they game was going to need a delay.
Post by: Caterkiller on November 22, 2007, 07:02:54 AM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 22, 2007, 06:10:10 PM
I'm wondering, is Sakurai trying to get every small update out of the way so he can focus on bigger, better announcements?
There are still a lot of moves and final smashes to talk about so maybe he's trying to finish the characters we have so far so he can work on new ones?
Its the only way I can explain why we have been getting three solid weeks of crappy updates...
Post by: Crimm on November 22, 2007, 06:11:09 PM
Post by: Crimm on November 22, 2007, 06:12:23 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 22, 2007, 06:25:01 PM
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Or maybe he's just out of good stuff because he planned on the game being on its way out. It's possible that everything else he planned to leave out of updates.
I doubt he's out of good stuff to talk about...
-He still needs to talk about the gold coins we earn throughout the game.
-In the 2 player adventure mode update he mentioned at the characters would power up in a way "never before seen in a game".
-He still needs to talk about the third part of Castle siege
-The only modes that haven't been confirmed are the board the platforms, race to the finish and mission mode.
And don't even get me started on the veteran characters. I understand complete keeping the newcomers a secret. But it doesn't make sense to keep the veterans a secret.
Post by: nickmitch on November 22, 2007, 07:08:42 PM
Post by: Shecky on November 23, 2007, 02:58:18 AM
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And don't even get me started on the veteran characters. I understand complete keeping the newcomers a secret. But it doesn't make sense to keep the veterans a secret.
Heh, that's what you'd like to think....
Yay or nay on known characters is more suspenseful and thus makes perfect sense on why they would choose to withhold that info.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 23, 2007, 08:21:52 AM
If there's one thing I've learned from studying previews of games to death, it's that one can never gauge anything about how a game actually plays without actually playing it him/herself. My best examples are SSBM and World of Warcraft. In both cases, I had gotten an idea in my head about how a game played and found that, in reality, the game was completely different from what I expected.
Updates which focus on gameplay, final smashes, moves, etc. all need to be tested in order to be understood. A final smash can look absolutely badass and yet be almost completely worthless in practice, but we won't know that until we play the game for ourselves, and probably won't REALLY know until we've had a good deal of game time under our belts (ie. everyone figures out a way to avoid a final smash and it's considered worthless from then on).
Character reveals, on the other hand, are definite. For example, King Dedede's reveal confirmed that he is in the game. We know nothing else, but we know that his likeness and character will be present in SSBB. How he plays, how his moves work in an actual gameplay context, etc. are still very much up in the air, but we KNOW that Dedede is in the game and you will be able to play as him.
That is THE most certain thing we can find out through updates. We only have snippets of music so we don't know if the whole song is good or not. Levels can look crazy but we won't know for certain because we don't have first-hand knowledge of how the physics of the game will relate to those levels.
The ONLY certainty in SSBB which we can know without playing it is the roster, period. Online could be laggy and unplayable, stickers could be boring, spectator mode could suck, the level editor could be clunky and buggy, but if they tell us Sonic is in the game, we KNOW FOR CERTAIN that he is in the damn game.
Anything else is speculation and invites disappointment. I was excited about the level editor but I was wrong in being so. Until I've felt how it plays, I'm just inviting disappointment.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 23, 2007, 08:41:15 AM
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And don't even get me started on the veteran characters. I understand complete keeping the newcomers a secret. But it doesn't make sense to keep the veterans a secret.
Heh, that's what you'd like to think....
Yay or nay on known characters is more suspenseful and thus makes perfect sense on why they would choose to withhold that info.
That logic makes sense with the likes of the clones, Shiek, Ganondorf and to an extend Luigi.
We all have heard that clones will get the tossed out of the brawl, but some would be completely overhauled and be unique characters. If I am not mistaken, I heard Falco might be a little bit different from Fox, the same way Luigi was a bit different from Mario in Melee.
An update on Ganondorf would be exciting since Brawl would be the first time his character was wholly represented, as in, he isn't a Capt. Falcon clone.
Sheik is also another exciting update because we don't if she's going to be part of Zelda's moveset or be an unique character apart from her.
However, we know for sure that Capt. Falcon is in the game as he is a Melee veteran and he's one of the more popular characters. So why would Sakurai keep HIM a secret, ESPECIALLY since his appearance was confirmed through the website in a subtle way?
Take a look at the assist trophies page. Most of them feature the standard SSB logo as their icon. However, characters from games being presented in Brawl have their game's logo as their icon. Samurai Goroh has the Capt. Falcon logo as his personal icon. Since we haven't gotten an update on the F-Zero stage, song and item that only leaves Capt. Falcon.
So we know for sure Falcon's in the game. But once more, why has Sakurai delayed his appearance?
So again, that logic makes sense for the clones, Sheik, Ganondorf, Luigi, Marth and Jigglypuff. But for Capt. Falcon its just plain stupid, unless Falcon has gotten a HUGE overhaul and they are keeping him a secret because of that, which I doubt.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 23, 2007, 09:32:18 AM
What if there's a Wii F-Zero game in development which features a new character as its lead. Just like Ike's icon is the Falchion, so too might this new character be represented by the Falcon icon.
It would explain why we haven't heard much from the F-Zero franchise yet.
We've seen a character from all of the former franchises except F-Zero and G&W, I believe. G&W I could see being axed, but F-Zero is a far bigger franchise with a shot at sequels. In fact, I have more suspicion toward F-Zero's silence than anything right now.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 23, 2007, 01:05:49 PM
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Interesting thought...
What if there's a Wii F-Zero game in development which features a new character as its lead. Just like Ike's icon is the Falchion, so too might this new character be represented by the Falcon icon.
It would explain why we haven't heard much from the F-Zero franchise yet.
We've seen a character from all of the former franchises except F-Zero and G&W, I believe. G&W I could see being axed, but F-Zero is a far bigger franchise with a shot at sequels. In fact, I have more suspicion toward F-Zero's silence than anything right now.
That's definitely a possibility, although I doubt they would cut Falcon out of the picture. SSB would feel empty without his cries of FALCON PUNCH!!
Post by: nickmitch on November 23, 2007, 02:17:22 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 23, 2007, 05:23:19 PM
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it's hardly obscure. It had a pretty big cult following.
Cult following=obscure.
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 23, 2007, 07:07:25 PM
In fact, I'm pretty sure that this Monday will be the day. Or maybe Tuesday, but ether way Falcon will be appearing soon, very soon. You can count on that.
Post by: Morari on November 24, 2007, 11:11:43 AM
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G&W I could see being axed.
I hope not! I never particularly liked playing as Mr. Game & Watch, but he is a fairly interesting character. Unique and set apart from the others. His movelist is already established from Melee. I don't think it'd make much sense to omit him.
Post by: Shecky on November 24, 2007, 12:10:45 PM
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And don't even get me started on the veteran characters. I understand complete keeping the newcomers a secret. But it doesn't make sense to keep the veterans a secret.
Heh, that's what you'd like to think....
Yay or nay on known characters is more suspenseful and thus makes perfect sense on why they would choose to withhold that info.
That logic makes sense with the likes of the clones, Shiek, Ganondorf and to an extend Luigi.
We all have heard that clones will get the tossed out of the brawl, but some would be completely overhauled and be unique characters. If I am not mistaken, I heard Falco might be a little bit different from Fox, the same way Luigi was a bit different from Mario in Melee.
An update on Ganondorf would be exciting since Brawl would be the first time his character was wholly represented, as in, he isn't a Capt. Falcon clone.
Sheik is also another exciting update because we don't if she's going to be part of Zelda's moveset or be an unique character apart from her.
However, we know for sure that Capt. Falcon is in the game as he is a Melee veteran and he's one of the more popular characters. So why would Sakurai keep HIM a secret, ESPECIALLY since his appearance was confirmed through the website in a subtle way?
Take a look at the assist trophies page. Most of them feature the standard SSB logo as their icon. However, characters from games being presented in Brawl have their game's logo as their icon. Samurai Goroh has the Capt. Falcon logo as his personal icon. Since we haven't gotten an update on the F-Zero stage, song and item that only leaves Capt. Falcon.
So we know for sure Falcon's in the game. But once more, why has Sakurai delayed his appearance?
So again, that logic makes sense for the clones, Sheik, Ganondorf, Luigi, Marth and Jigglypuff. But for Capt. Falcon its just plain stupid, unless Falcon has gotten a HUGE overhaul and they are keeping him a secret because of that, which I doubt.
Heh, my logic makes sense for all previously known characters. You can't fathom why Capt. Falcon hasn't been mentioned on the site yet.... is he really in the game? He's got to be right?!? I mean it doesn't make sense otherwise.... blah, blah, blah....
Bah! He's got you hooked on that suspense and your post proves my point!
(Basically you have better basis for your thoughts and reasoning for the inclusion or exclusion of past characters, which is not the case for new characters)
Post by: Caterkiller on November 24, 2007, 01:58:07 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 25, 2007, 06:00:18 AM
Summary: Saki is hot and Luca's Final Smash is awesome and expected...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 25, 2007, 07:00:51 AM
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Originally posted by: SheckyBah! He's got you hooked on that suspense and your post proves my point!
Heh, you wish
. An F-Zero character WILL be in the game, that's pretty much a given. I suspect Falcon will be the sole representative once more. However, S_B's theory makes sense. It looks as if Sakurai is being fair this time around and will likely include more than one character from each franchise (The Kirby series is now represented by 3 characters this time around), so maybe we will get another F-Zero character and for the sake of hype it makes sense to hype of the F-Zero newcomer than tout the return of Falcon.But if Falcon is indeed a secret character in Brawl that would be one of the silliest decisions ever. Its like trying to keep the ending of "Passion of the Christ" a secret :p .
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 25, 2007, 08:40:57 AM
The other important thing is Claus would have a completely different moveset, unlike Kumatora were most of her moves are now being used by Lucas. Since Claus fights with a sword, a beam gun, uses PK moves and even has metal wings to fly, he'd make a very unique character. And there's the fact that Claus and Lucas were the most requested Mother 3 characters on the poll, that also helps him out.
Post by: stevey on November 25, 2007, 06:04:26 PM
gah, stop updating stuff we already knew from other updates!
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 25, 2007, 06:05:02 PM
GC control setup allows you to turn the tap up to jump OFF.
Good to know...
Post by: IceCold on November 25, 2007, 06:11:48 PM
Hmm.. I'm not sure about the waggle smash - guess I'll have to try it out to see how well it works.
The default setup for the classic controller won't work too well either - you'd have to change A+B to B+Y.
You know, the remote+nunchuck combo looks most appealing to me (outside the GameCube one).
Post by: Sarail on November 25, 2007, 06:16:06 PM
Looks like it's Nunchuk+remote for me after all. I can't wait!
Post by: nickmitch on November 25, 2007, 06:22:50 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 26, 2007, 01:05:26 AM
Nunchuk+remote looks very solid. I like the idea of having jump and shield on the nunchuk completely separate from attacks, but I am curious how that will work out.
I also like the idea of pressing A and B to grab.
However, I think I am still going to be most excited about using the classic controller, and being able to turn jump off of up means you can finally do charging up attacks and smashes easier. Thank goodness. I just wish you could turn the C-stick smashes off.
Post by: Shecky on November 26, 2007, 01:43:41 AM
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However, I think I am still going to be most excited about using the classic controller, and being able to turn jump off of up means you can finally do charging up attacks and smashes easier. Thank goodness. I just wish you could turn the C-stick smashes off.
Are people forgetting these are the default controls??
Every option there is customizable... so you can turn off C-stick smashes.... make them taunts or nothing at all.
The only thing that cannot be changed it seems is what controls directional movement of your actual character. (ie: you couldn't make it the right analog or d-pad of the classic controller)
Now if your complaining that you can force it off for other people, well tough
(and who knows that may still be an option in some other aspect of the game, although doubtful. What's the quote though? "We really did think of everything..." )
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 26, 2007, 05:40:22 AM
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I just wish you could turn the C-stick smashes off.
Why not just not use the C-Stick?
Post by: Gylldas on November 26, 2007, 06:25:22 PM
Can't say I'm too fond of the new tune either. Kinda blah.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 26, 2007, 06:37:06 PM
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Dang. I think this can officially be declared the most pointless update ever....re-confirming widescreen support??? That's really stretching it...
Can't say I'm too fond of the new tune either. Kinda blah.
Blah? I felt it was a pretty terrible lol. Anyway talk about a lame string of updates!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 26, 2007, 06:41:13 PM
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Dang. I think this can officially be declared the most pointless update ever....re-confirming widescreen support??? That's really stretching it...[
Haha Zing!
I thought the comparison of what you see on each settings mildly interesting.
Post by: IceCold on November 26, 2007, 06:58:16 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 26, 2007, 07:02:21 PM
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People are still expecting big updates before the New Year?
Sure are! And you can't do anything about it!
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 27, 2007, 12:20:48 AM
The Donkey Kong remix is an amazing arrangement, and very beautiful and surreal. I love every part of that song...and can't wait to hear it again.
Post by: Ceric on November 27, 2007, 12:48:20 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 27, 2007, 01:23:42 AM
Now all we need is a classic DK Arcade stage for it to play on...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 27, 2007, 05:19:49 AM
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That was some awesome music...
Now all we need is a classic DK Arcade stage for it to play on...
Indeed, the song is way too specific for it being a "My Music" option for the Jungle Falls stage.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on November 27, 2007, 06:38:39 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 27, 2007, 06:54:09 AM
Also this quote could prove important.
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He wasn’t included on the list of musicians until now, but he secretly joined the fray!
This makes me wonder if any other composers have joined. Since this game is looking to become one big tribute to videogame history, I'm sure there's lots of composers that want to be a part of it. So I'd imagine over since the site first opened last May there's been several other videogame musicians who have come to Sakurai wanting to be part of the action. Since music is the easiest part of the game to add, I'd imagine that they're still might have some new musicians still composing music for this game even as we speak.
Plus since the CD's are a collectable like trophies and stickers, that means there's going to be a lot of songs. Since Melee had over 290 trophies to collect, Brawl could have around that many CD's to collect. That's right, we could be looking at around 300 songs being in this game, and with all the musicians they have, it's very possible.
Post by: anubis6789 on November 27, 2007, 09:50:34 AM
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That's right, we could be looking at around 300 songs being in this game, and with all the musicians they have, it's very possible.
Good God, just think of the size of the OST if that is true.
Post by: Stogi on November 27, 2007, 10:10:53 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 27, 2007, 12:22:05 PM
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Since most songs are shorter than what you'd regularly expect, I don't think they would pass 5 discs.
Well from the site it seems that the average song is going to be somewhere around 1.5 - 2 minutes. Now since most OST's like to repeat the song twice, that would be around 4 minutes for each song making 1,200 minutes worth of music. Since CD's can hold 80 minutes that would give Brawl a 15 disc OST.
Damn that's a lot.OK, now maybe I went a little overboard when I said 300 before but I do think that this game at the very least will have around 150 songs. That just makes it a 600 minute OST with 8 discs.
Post by: Gylldas on November 27, 2007, 06:12:10 PM
One question I have though, since this isn't a super powerful final smash, is how long this will last? Will it be more like Giga Bowser or ZSS?
Bah my brain hurts and now I'm gonna dream about motorcycles and farting. NOT a good night sleep.
Post by: anubis6789 on November 27, 2007, 06:17:39 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on November 27, 2007, 06:31:41 PM
Also, the thing about the bike amuses me. It kind of reminds me of this.
Post by: Tanookisuit on November 27, 2007, 07:05:34 PM
Post by: Strell on November 27, 2007, 10:51:53 PM
Have sweet dreams now.
Post by: LuigiHann on November 27, 2007, 11:47:26 PM
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 28, 2007, 01:02:18 AM
Or it is still there because it says all his special attacks are enhanced. Perhaps the nuclear fart is still there as just a regular move during his final smash...if you wait and store it up for the entire attack.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 28, 2007, 06:33:43 PM
Post by: nickmitch on November 28, 2007, 06:46:59 PM
Post by: Gylldas on November 28, 2007, 06:59:26 PM
Difficulties are a welcome addition although I'm sure my mad skillz will result in my ultimate demise for the harder settings.
Post by: Louieturkey on November 29, 2007, 02:39:03 AM
Post by: wandering on November 29, 2007, 02:54:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Louieturkey
Did they have stamina settings in Melee? I don't remember any event where you got hit points instead of damage percentage. So that's a brand new addition as well, right? I like that and hope it's part of the level designing aspect of the game.
Melee had a stamina mode, IIRC. If you lost all your hit points you fainted.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 29, 2007, 03:13:10 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on November 29, 2007, 04:31:46 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 29, 2007, 04:59:11 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 29, 2007, 07:33:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Sakurai is lulling us into a state of sleepiness so when the real updates start coming, it'll explode the internet into a frenzy of hype once again.
I pretty much accepted this. It makes sense for him to stay quiet on the game's big updates and save them for the right time.
Although, today's update was a really good one. I enjoyed Event mode back in Melee and it looks like Event mode in Brawl might be even better!
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 29, 2007, 08:06:05 AM
Also, I hope we can unlock secret characters via much gameplay as was the case in Melee. I might just pick up and jump online the minute I get the game.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 29, 2007, 08:54:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I blew through it to unlock the secret characters and never touched it again.
Also, I hope we can unlock secret characters via much gameplay as was the case in Melee. I might just pick up and jump online the minute I get the game.
At the very least, this is a much better update than the updates about colors, taunts and TV screen formats
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Post by: Smash_Brother on November 29, 2007, 10:24:48 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 29, 2007, 12:53:45 PM
And speaking of the starters, we can now confirm that King Dedede is indeed a starting character since the first event on Event Mode contains him and Bowser. Well unless you have to beat the first event mode to unlock him but I doubt that since you play as Mario in the first event match. If King Dedede was unlockable it would have been in an event as Kirby in a Kirby stage, just like how you unlocked Ganondorf in Melee from playing in an event as Link in a Zelda stage. Because other then Ganondorf, all other unlockable characters in Melee didn't appear in any event matches until after you unlocked them.
Post by: that Baby guy on November 29, 2007, 01:09:29 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 29, 2007, 03:07:19 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Yes. Every character we've seen is a starter. We won't see the unlockables until the game comes out. We won't. Plain and simple.
Sakurai did say at one point that due to their "special guest" status third party characters would be hidden when you first play the game, meaning that Snake and Sonic could indeed be hidden when you first boot up the game.
However, that was said a year ago and Sakurai could've changed his mind about it.
Post by: JonLeung on November 29, 2007, 04:05:23 PM
QuoteCan I point out the possibility that maybe you have to unlock Event Mode? At the same time or maybe after unlocking King Dedede?
Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
And speaking of the starters, we can now confirm that King Dedede is indeed a starting character since the first event on Event Mode contains him and Bowser.
Or, here's a thought...since you're not playing AS King Dedede in that Event, who's to say that you can't still have to unlock him for play? Just because someone's in an Event doesn't make them playable before or after (ie. Giga Bowser or Dark Link in SSB:M).
Which basically comes down to: just because King Dedede is in the first Event, doesn't mean that either are necessarily there at the start.
Post by: anubis6789 on November 29, 2007, 06:08:23 PM
I do wonder if the term "a number" is just being used to say that stages from Melee like Battlefield and Final Destination would not be included because of redundancy.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 29, 2007, 06:24:03 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
I do wonder if the term "a number" is just being used to say that stages from Melee like Battlefield and Final Destination would not be included because of redundancy.
Here's hoping. Otherwise it's inexcusable.
But then again, most of the levels would be very redundant with the "3 platforms and some random obstacle or maybe not" design...
Glad to see the temple and is back and the "Cave of Invincibility" along with it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 29, 2007, 06:52:27 PM
Hopefully they'll just include all the unique stages like Corneria, Big Blue, etc...
Post by: SkiDragon on November 29, 2007, 07:17:04 PM
Post by: Arbok on November 29, 2007, 07:18:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I'd rather not have three Yoshi's Story-esque levels, thanks...Two was annoying in the last game... =|
Hopefully they'll just include all the unique stages like Corneria, Big Blue, etc...
I can do without two the two similar Kirby levels as well... basically, as long as there is a stage like Corneria and Final Destination in Brawl, I will be content since we already have the Temple (although I hope the old N64 Link stage is back...).
Post by: stevey on November 29, 2007, 09:09:58 PM
Post by: nickmitch on November 30, 2007, 01:12:54 AM
Also, the music = win.
Post by: Tanookisuit on November 30, 2007, 01:13:16 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 30, 2007, 04:08:31 AM
Post by: Shecky on November 30, 2007, 07:11:06 AM
For example, Link's sheaths his sword or Ike's planting it in the ground. That would provide a little icing to some of those taunts. I doubt that'll be the case though.
(A really neat touch would be if you have Link sheaths his sword it would stay that way until you executed a move that required him to use it....)
Post by: Stogi on November 30, 2007, 08:11:26 AM
Now, if they had N64 stages.....then I would have been a great deal more excited.
Post by: Nick DiMola on November 30, 2007, 08:15:15 AM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
Now, if they had N64 stages.....then I would have been a great deal more excited.
I highly doubt that SSB64 levels will be excluded. Give it time, I'm sure we will get a similar update just showing off a great N64 level. I'm hoping for the Pokemon Level.
Post by: Shecky on November 30, 2007, 08:24:37 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 30, 2007, 10:41:16 AM
I just hope they get a Bowser Castle level in Brawl. Be it the new "retro" designed level...or a newly designed level with dastardly traps throughout.
Post by: Mario on November 30, 2007, 11:16:05 AM
Post by: Shecky on December 01, 2007, 02:25:17 AM
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Originally posted by: Shecky
I just had a thought that it would be cool if some characters "held" their taunt until they were hit or a button input was given.
For example, Link's sheaths his sword or Ike's planting it in the ground. That would provide a little icing to some of those taunts. I doubt that'll be the case though.
(A really neat touch would be if you have Link sheaths his sword it would stay that way until you executed a move that required him to use it....)
Another observation of sorts: What are those little dots next to the character markers at the bottom of the screen (Look at the photos in event mode)? Stock was my first guess but then I saw the photo of Yoshi's event match (get both enemies in eggs) and only Yoshi has a marker.... hmm. (Maybe as Yoshi you only have 1 life but the computer has unlimited? That would actually make some sense for that event)
Also, the Dark Link event is similar to SSBM in that the dark link is pure black - not a selectable costume option.
Finally, in the photo for the first event match, Mario seems to have damage and there is a blue platform beneath him. At first I thought that was the starting platform when your character returns from falling off the stage... but he has damage... could it be an item?
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 01, 2007, 03:24:48 AM
Post by: Shecky on December 01, 2007, 12:03:06 PM
However the one shot I mention is much bigger and definitely BLUE. Seems a bit more prominent than the less intrusive circles seen in the other shots.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 01, 2007, 03:07:15 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 01, 2007, 08:40:43 PM
Of course I wouldn't be surprised if the update is just a picture of Sakurai in his underwear playing the game with the caption underneath saying This could have been you, hahaha.
Post by: Stogi on December 02, 2007, 09:49:14 AM
Post by: Shecky on December 02, 2007, 03:26:16 PM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
That circle was in Melee too.
The simple white rings... yeah... but nothing that pronounced. Maybe they're a bit more prominent now (along with a much more visible blue)?
Post by: LuigiHann on December 02, 2007, 03:53:26 PM
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Originally posted by: SheckyQuote
Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
That circle was in Melee too.
The simple white rings... yeah... but nothing that pronounced. Maybe they're a bit more prominent now (along with a much more visible blue)?
You dufus.
It's white and clear. Look just to the right of the white circle. It's the exact same blue.
Post by: nickmitch on December 02, 2007, 04:06:17 PM
Post by: Shecky on December 02, 2007, 04:32:41 PM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHannQuote
Originally posted by: SheckyQuote
Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
That circle was in Melee too.
The simple white rings... yeah... but nothing that pronounced. Maybe they're a bit more prominent now (along with a much more visible blue)?
You dufus.
It's white and clear. Look just to the right of the white circle. It's the exact same blue.
Oh... heh, your right.
Hey, well I gave several topic points in my post... I blame Bill for focusing on the circles
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 02, 2007, 06:08:16 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 02, 2007, 06:13:12 PM
This quote makes the update worth it.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 02, 2007, 06:21:12 PM
Post by: IceCold on December 02, 2007, 06:39:58 PM
Post by: nickmitch on December 02, 2007, 06:57:49 PM
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Post by: IceCold on December 02, 2007, 07:16:19 PM
Post by: Crimm on December 02, 2007, 07:28:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Ahahaha, as if I needed another reason to love Nate...
qfntbq
Post by: IceCold on December 02, 2007, 08:36:29 PM
Post by: HadesGigas on December 02, 2007, 10:50:13 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 03, 2007, 03:33:29 AM
Post by: Stogi on December 03, 2007, 03:57:27 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 03, 2007, 06:32:18 AM
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Originally posted by: TVman
Sakurai better give us a good update soon. We're setting around talking about the damn jump circles for God's sake.
Haha, so true.
As for friend codes, the only logical explanation is that Nintendo is thinking of updating the Wii's system and doing away with system friend codes in favor of a better system at some point, hence why games now have their own so they don't get their online infrastructure ripped out if Nintendo updates.
Also, I believe we knew about 4 player online before.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 03, 2007, 06:47:05 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 03, 2007, 06:49:14 AM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
So is 4 player Brawl confirmed?
You can clearly see 4 characters fighting on the Wi-Fi mode update.
Post by: vudu on December 03, 2007, 07:02:08 AM
Quote4 player is confirmed, but I don't think we know yet whether four Wii systems can play against each other or if there's a limit of two (like on Mario Strikers).
Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
So is 4 player Brawl confirmed?
QuoteYou mean besides common sense? Yeah.
Originally posted by: PartyBear
Is Nate's comment the first good indication of items in online play?
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 03, 2007, 07:16:42 AM
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Originally posted by: vuduQuoteYou mean besides common sense? Yeah.
Originally posted by: PartyBear
Is Nate's comment the first good indication of items in online play?
I seem to recall some people had their doubts. And you know as well as I do how little bearing common sense has on anything said around here.
Post by: Stogi on December 03, 2007, 07:38:18 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
So is 4 player Brawl confirmed?
You can clearly see 4 characters fighting on the Wi-Fi mode update.
I should have been more clear. Vudu pointed out what I really meant to say and that is if 4 consoles have been confirmed to brawl together. If so, then 4 player matches on random will be way more likely.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 03, 2007, 08:24:51 AM
QuoteYou mean besides common sense? Yeah.
Originally posted by: vudu
Is Nate's comment the first good indication of items in online play?
The question was reasonable to raise for online due to issues of latency.
Fighting games with online modes are a dicey situation already, and I don't believe there's ever been a 4 player online fighting game with the physics intensity of SSBB. Items will add even more to the already sizable network overhead.
It's not uncommon to disable certain features in games in online situations due to bandwidth restrictions, be they graphical effects, certain stages or other features, and items could have been one of those.
Post by: vudu on December 03, 2007, 08:51:05 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 03, 2007, 09:17:42 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 03, 2007, 10:49:54 AM
Remember how Mario Kart DS only gives you half of the tracks for online play? They'll sacrifice gameplay elements for latency reasons if the addition to the overhead will make the game unplayable.
The additional latency from items falling about the stage could have been the straw on the camel's back for the game (though my money would have been on four player online).
The online in a 1v1 game like Street Fighter has even been lambasted for its poor performance, and that's just two players on a single dimension with zero other interferences. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if turning items off makes games less laggy and more manageable.
I agree that SSB just ain't the same without items, but I'd rather play without items than play with lag. SSB is even LESS the same with lag involved.
Post by: vudu on December 03, 2007, 11:24:07 AM
QuoteI'm not arguing against the possibility that some levels might not be available for online play. But what you're suggesting is the equivalent of playing Mario Kart online without the Lightening Bolt or Halo 3 without grenades. It's not the same thing at all.
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Remember how Mario Kart DS only gives you half of the tracks for online play? They'll sacrifice gameplay elements for latency reasons if the addition to the overhead will make the game unplayable.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 03, 2007, 01:24:51 PM
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Originally posted by: vudu I'm not arguing against the possibility that some levels might not be available for online play. But what you're suggesting is the equivalent of playing Mario Kart online without the Lightening Bolt or Halo 3 without grenades. It's not the same thing at all.
These are completely different situations.
Halo 3 and MK: DS can both tolerate some latency without the gameplay being absolutely destroyed. SSB, however, just doesn't have that luxury.
We all know how important reflex and timing are to success in the game. If the online play would see some speed loss for ANY reason, then the game basically goes out the window.
I'm quite certain that millions of players will grab SSBB on launch day in order to test their skills against their online friends, but if the game can't keep up with the overhead and starts to lag, then nothing has been resolved. You're no longer fighting to see who's the best at SSBB but to see who can compensate for lag the best.
But beyond that, items are great, sure, but they're not intrinsic to the game. You can still have a competition of skill against another player without them. As much as I dislike tourney rules, sometimes I would turn off items and just duel with a skilled player (on the rare occasion that one was around).
It's not just the items themselves that could cause issues, either. Keep in mind that items bring with them a plethora of graphical effects which could potentially lag the game.
A screen with multiple legendary Pokemans firing off their specials could very likely lag a game, as could some of the particularly flashy final smashes. Nintendo seems confident that items and online won't be an issue, but this doesn't mean that it wasn't reasonable speculative a concern.
Let me just say that, having dealt with networking code and the issues it raises myself, I'm DAMN impressed at what Nintendo is doing here.
Four player online alone is a bloody miracle, and with items running is just icing on that cake. It's not unreasonable to expect they might have been out of sugar before then.
Post by: anubis6789 on December 03, 2007, 02:15:12 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
It's not just the items themselves that could cause issues, either. Keep in mind that items bring with them a plethora of graphical effects which could potentially lag the game.
A screen with multiple legendary Pokemans firing off their specials could very likely lag a game, as could some of the particularly flashy final smashes. Nintendo seems confident that items and online won't be an issue, but this doesn't mean that it wasn't reasonable speculative a concern.
Why would graphical effects be sent over the net? I was under the assumption that the only things that should be transmitted are positional and maybe vectorial information with each terminal rendering its own on screen display based on the received positional and, as stated, possible vectorial data.
Post by: Stogi on December 03, 2007, 04:15:51 PM
They should send the player's maniplutions over the character over the net and not the charachter..............hell, is that even possible?
Post by: nickmitch on December 03, 2007, 05:31:53 PM
Post by: stevey on December 03, 2007, 06:06:23 PM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on December 03, 2007, 06:26:34 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789 Why would graphical effects be sent over the net? I was under the assumption that the only things that should be transmitted are positional and maybe vectorial information with each terminal rendering its own on screen display based on the received positional and, as stated, possible vectorial data.
They aren't, but world state interactions on a local Wii are sharing CPU power with the network interactions.
It's the same reason you can't play some MK DS levels online: some of them are too much for the DS to handle while maintaining an online connection.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 03, 2007, 06:55:46 PM
What's next? Will CAPTAIN FALCON be a direct port of his Melee version? Cuz he's so awesome to begin with? NO, HE'S BEING PORTED CUZ NINTENDO & FRIENDS ARE LAZY
FEBRUARY MY ASS
Post by: ShyGuy on December 03, 2007, 07:07:50 PM
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Post by: nickmitch on December 04, 2007, 03:14:10 AM
Post by: nickmitch on December 04, 2007, 03:14:12 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Apparently no love from you either since the name is Raikou... >_>
Spelling does not equate to love. Unless you're spelling handjobs.
Post by: MysticGohan on December 04, 2007, 05:20:03 AM
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Originally posted by: TVmanQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Apparently no love from you either since the name is Raikou... >_>
Spelling does not equate to love. Unless you're spelling handjobs.
Burned! lol, I feel Bill's gonna Retailerate...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 04, 2007, 07:07:08 AM
...Did I mention the update itself was crappy?
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 04, 2007, 08:28:45 AM
I got 2 popcorn balls off of it!
Post by: nickmitch on December 04, 2007, 03:51:58 PM
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Originally posted by: MysticGohanQuote
Originally posted by: TVmanQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Apparently no love from you either since the name is Raikou... >_>
Spelling does not equate to love. Unless you're spelling handjobs.
Burned! lol, I feel Bill's gonna Retailerate...
Yikes, I hope not. *cowers*
Post by: nickmitch on December 04, 2007, 06:29:34 PM
Post by: Mikintosh on December 04, 2007, 09:29:29 PM
Post by: Stogi on December 05, 2007, 03:11:35 AM
Also, the music is pretty tight though I don't know about "rad*."
*who uses the word rad anymore?! hehe
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 05, 2007, 08:36:31 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 05, 2007, 10:59:21 AM
Damn, this games soundtrack truly is going to be huge.
Post by: IceCold on December 05, 2007, 03:08:33 PM
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Post by: Tanookisuit on December 06, 2007, 12:35:23 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 06, 2007, 05:28:27 AM
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*Yaaaaaawwwwn*
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 06, 2007, 08:36:42 AM
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Originally posted by: Tanookisuit
*Yaaaaaawwwwn*
So, you want some Popcorn balls?
But going back to the update, earlier I suggested that perhaps one of the reasons we haven't gotten any character updates in ages is because Sakurai wants to finish talking about the already unveiled characters before moving onto the new ones.
Only 4 characters haven't received their FS update (Solid Snake, Sonic, ZSS and Zelda) while 9 characters have not received their special moves updates (Bowser, Peach, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Pikachu, Ice Climbers, Samus, Zelda and Yoshi).
If Sakurai were to focus on the already revealed characters perhaps we won't get any character reveals till January! O.O
Post by: Mikintosh on December 06, 2007, 11:33:15 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: Tanookisuit
*Yaaaaaawwwwn*
So, you want some Popcorn balls?
But going back to the update, earlier I suggested that perhaps one of the reasons we haven't gotten any character updates in ages is because Sakurai wants to finish talking about the already unveiled characters before moving onto the new ones.
Only 4 characters haven't received their FS update (Solid Snake, Sonic, ZSS and Zelda) while 9 characters have not received their special moves updates (Bowser, Peach, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Pikachu, Ice Climbers, Samus, Zelda and Yoshi).
If Sakurai were to focus on the already revealed characters perhaps we won't get any character reveals till January! O.O
The saddest thing is, I think you're absolutely right. I think Sakurai's still letting the Sonic revelation simmer, and wants to get all the middle-tier suggestion out of the way before confirming anybody else. I'm hoping for one more character in 2007 (even a veteran), but I have a feeling he'll wait until closer to the launch date. That is, assuming it doesn't slip to second quarter like it is in Europe...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 06, 2007, 06:10:13 PM
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 06, 2007, 06:33:17 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Wow, talk about an innovative way to have online matches. CPU replacement if you lose your connection? Never heard of such a thing before.
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Originally posted by: Gylldas
I'm also guessing this semi-confirms 4 Wii consoles playing at once? I must say though, I don't see much of a difference between this online mode and a regular offline brawl with all of this anonymity between players, especially with CPUs taking over disconnections.
I wonder if the game alerts you to opponent disconnect, and also if it will log a player disconnect onto his record next time s/he connect online.
Post by: Mikintosh on December 06, 2007, 07:08:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Gylldas
I'm also guessing this semi-confirms 4 Wii consoles playing at once? I must say though, I don't see much of a difference between this online mode and a regular offline brawl with all of this anonymity between players, especially with CPUs taking over disconnections.
There isn't any, if you have people to play with. And without those people, there's not much, except for the general reason for playing against human opponents instead of the computer: playing against a real person and those particular tactics. If one doesn't care about win/loss records and all that stuff, then that's most of the reason for online play in any game, anyway.
I thought it was interesting that Zelda was an opponent, yet wasn't on the character select screen.
Post by: Nick DiMola on December 06, 2007, 11:10:33 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Not to mention, items was covered. All items in, the ones turned off will be entered in by "lottery."
This is terrible news. I HATE playing with items. I like the fact that Sakurai tried to simplify online play, but I think he may have simplified the equation too much.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 06, 2007, 11:13:22 PM
Post by: Plugabugz on December 06, 2007, 11:33:55 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Wow, talk about an innovative way to have online matches. CPU replacement if you lose your connection? Never heard of such a thing before.
Mario Strikers does it. Only it tells you the other player has disconnected, and it gives you the option to continue the match (knowing this) or go back and start a fresh match.
Post by: Shecky on December 07, 2007, 12:53:34 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Wow, talk about an innovative way to have online matches. CPU replacement if you lose your connection? Never heard of such a thing before.
Sarcasm noted... Clearly many of games, particularly on the PC, have done this before. It's not that special.
What hasn't been done much is removing dedicated "hosts" from games. Normally if the host, the one that starts and sets up the game, drops... goodby game, it was only the clients that could tolerate transparent disconnections, insertions, or CPU replacement.
Now it seems that Brawl dynamically hosts this game... meaning that there is no dedicated "host" and that's pretty cool.
That along with the lottery should also allow for rapid matchmaking, but Gamespy (Nintendo's partner in that relm) will likely still foobar that.
I'm sure there will be a way to vote for "no items" and if the other 3 people don't agree, well then tough!!
Looks like you can weight your vote with coins, so one person may still be able to force his choice at a cost, but if I were Nintendo I would make it so that increasing coinage would never give you a 100% chance of getting what you want. Otherwise I worry about hackers with unlimited coins when there is eventually a gameshark for the system. Still I'm not too worried about that.
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 07, 2007, 01:27:52 AM
Nintendo is really working hard on Brawl's online experience. I like the idea of playing the computer if players drop out. It probably won't be as bad as 3 players all dropping out, but 2 is probable.
We also now understand why the play anyone system isn't ranking wins and loses for that mode. You never know if you played all humans or the CPU. I knew it would make sense later. And the friends modes don't have the CPU jumping in, and you can save stats for wins and such with those games.
I am curious about items online. I believe how they are getting online to work is limiting the items available for each match. So Everyone gets to vote for like 3 items to be turned off, and perhaps only 8 are turned off? I dunno. I would like to know more about that.
Post by: GeneralTraag on December 07, 2007, 02:03:39 AM
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Originally posted by: Mikintosh
I thought it was interesting that Zelda was an opponent, yet wasn't on the character select screen.
Also, the Ice Climbers are in one of the screen shots too, and they are not on the character select screen either. They are in the background of the picture with Mario fighting Meta Knight.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 07, 2007, 02:58:10 AM
Is there anyone who WON'T realize when they're suddenly playing against a CPU? I've yet to play against a CPU in a SSB game which isn't painfully obvious, and I'm sure they'll have it fixed, but the E4All CPU videos weren't exactly encouraging.
Beyond that, if your opponent drops out of fear, you should win, period. I understand they didn't want to destroy the continuity of the match, but I don't like the fact that I could be continuing the game against a CPU when I went online to fight human players. I'd rather the match end and I jump into my next match against humans faster.
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Man, all I can say is that update was EPIC. Yeah, I know it is a miss use of the word Epic. But I don't care. It was awesome.
To each their own, but you sound like you're covering for Sakurai.
We had this information years ago in the form of Metroid Hunters and its online mode which gave you the same choices, minus character selection. There's nothing new or worthwhile in this update, only that I can expect to start playing battles against humans but finish them against CPUs, which completely sucks ass since I can play against CPUs offline and I went online to fight human players.
I don't think it's a good idea that my scud of an opponent can drop a game and force me to defeat a bot or else I too get a disconnect by leaving the game.
I mean, if I dropped, I'd think, "Ha! That poor fool is going to keep playing a bot because he has no choice!" I couldn't think of a better revenge against a player that was better than you than forcing them to fight a CPU for the remainder of the match. It's like the game doesn't acknowledge that you intimidated your opponent but instead carries on like nothing is wrong when you clearly have a bot to mop up.
I was really looking forward to being able to jump into online play at any time and get practice against human players. This kills that for me because half the time will probably be spent against bots because of dropping assclowns. It's a neat idea in theory, but in practice, this will suck. I just hope it gives us the option to end the game when all the human players have dropped on you.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 07, 2007, 03:32:26 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I am curious about items online. I believe how they are getting online to work is limiting the items available for each match. So Everyone gets to vote for like 3 items to be turned off, and perhaps only 8 are turned off? I dunno. I would like to know more about that.
I bet all it will do is look at what items you have turned on/off in your settings and go from there...
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 07, 2007, 03:49:24 AM
Post by: Stogi on December 07, 2007, 04:03:35 AM
If I remember correctly, I think there was at least a mentioning of tournaments somewhere *goes rummaging through old forums*
Post by: tombo125 on December 07, 2007, 04:12:15 AM
And you sound like you think you are the best player ever and nobody would ever want to finish a game with you. I doubt that either is true.
EDIT: Before you say it, I bet you could beat me in SSB. I know I would not leave the game tho.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 07, 2007, 04:27:22 AM
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Originally posted by: tombo125
Smash_Brother, do us all a favor and get some of your online friends registered and play with them. Problem solved.
And you sound like you think you are the best player ever and nobody would ever want to finish a game with you. I doubt that either is true.
Smash will PWN you.
Post by: JonLeung on December 07, 2007, 04:52:18 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: tombo125
Smash_Brother, do us all a favor and get some of your online friends registered and play with them. Problem solved.
And you sound like you think you are the best player ever and nobody would ever want to finish a game with you. I doubt that either is true.
Smash will PWN you.
Well, that IS his name.
He is super, too. Don't forget whose discussion board this is! It's the "(Super) Smash Brother's Discussion", after all!
Post by: Mikintosh on December 07, 2007, 05:07:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
This is a terrible idea.
Is there anyone who WON'T realize when they're suddenly playing against a CPU? I've yet to play against a CPU in a SSB game which isn't painfully obvious, and I'm sure they'll have it fixed, but the E4All CPU videos weren't exactly encouraging.
Beyond that, if your opponent drops out of fear, you should win, period. I understand they didn't want to destroy the continuity of the match, but I don't like the fact that I could be continuing the game against a CPU when I went online to fight human players. I'd rather the match end and I jump into my next match against humans faster.Quote
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Man, all I can say is that update was EPIC. Yeah, I know it is a miss use of the word Epic. But I don't care. It was awesome.
To each their own, but you sound like you're covering for Sakurai.
We had this information years ago in the form of Metroid Hunters and its online mode which gave you the same choices, minus character selection. There's nothing new or worthwhile in this update, only that I can expect to start playing battles against humans but finish them against CPUs, which completely sucks ass since I can play against CPUs offline and I went online to fight human players.
I don't think it's a good idea that my scud of an opponent can drop a game and force me to defeat a bot or else I too get a disconnect by leaving the game.
I mean, if I dropped, I'd think, "Ha! That poor fool is going to keep playing a bot because he has no choice!" I couldn't think of a better revenge against a player that was better than you than forcing them to fight a CPU for the remainder of the match. It's like the game doesn't acknowledge that you intimidated your opponent but instead carries on like nothing is wrong when you clearly have a bot to mop up.
I was really looking forward to being able to jump into online play at any time and get practice against human players. This kills that for me because half the time will probably be spent against bots because of dropping assclowns. It's a neat idea in theory, but in practice, this will suck. I just hope it gives us the option to end the game when all the human players have dropped on you.
How many people do you think are going to be dropping out per match, anyway? The thing's are only 2-3 minutes long usually; I don't think most people are that impatient. And if they connection's lost...well, you don't really deserve to win that one, do you?
People that are playing the game for fun would rather play an entire match then get a win record that they didn't earn.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 07, 2007, 05:16:07 AM
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Originally posted by: MikintoshQuote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
This is a terrible idea.
Is there anyone who WON'T realize when they're suddenly playing against a CPU? I've yet to play against a CPU in a SSB game which isn't painfully obvious, and I'm sure they'll have it fixed, but the E4All CPU videos weren't exactly encouraging.
Beyond that, if your opponent drops out of fear, you should win, period. I understand they didn't want to destroy the continuity of the match, but I don't like the fact that I could be continuing the game against a CPU when I went online to fight human players. I'd rather the match end and I jump into my next match against humans faster.Quote
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Man, all I can say is that update was EPIC. Yeah, I know it is a miss use of the word Epic. But I don't care. It was awesome.
To each their own, but you sound like you're covering for Sakurai.
We had this information years ago in the form of Metroid Hunters and its online mode which gave you the same choices, minus character selection. There's nothing new or worthwhile in this update, only that I can expect to start playing battles against humans but finish them against CPUs, which completely sucks ass since I can play against CPUs offline and I went online to fight human players.
I don't think it's a good idea that my scud of an opponent can drop a game and force me to defeat a bot or else I too get a disconnect by leaving the game.
I mean, if I dropped, I'd think, "Ha! That poor fool is going to keep playing a bot because he has no choice!" I couldn't think of a better revenge against a player that was better than you than forcing them to fight a CPU for the remainder of the match. It's like the game doesn't acknowledge that you intimidated your opponent but instead carries on like nothing is wrong when you clearly have a bot to mop up.
I was really looking forward to being able to jump into online play at any time and get practice against human players. This kills that for me because half the time will probably be spent against bots because of dropping assclowns. It's a neat idea in theory, but in practice, this will suck. I just hope it gives us the option to end the game when all the human players have dropped on you.
How many people do you think are going to be dropping out per match, anyway? The thing's are only 2-3 minutes long usually; I don't think most people are that impatient. And if they connection's lost...well, you don't really deserve to win that one, do you?
People that are playing the game for fun would rather play an entire match then get a win record that they didn't earn.
Speak for yourself! That would be the only time I could get a win!
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 07, 2007, 05:39:24 AM
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Originally posted by: tombo125
Smash_Brother, do us all a favor and get some of your online friends registered and play with them. Problem solved.
I can't. SSBB uses its own friend codes and not the Wii's.
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And you sound like you think you are the best player ever and nobody would ever want to finish a game with you. I doubt that either is true.
EDIT: Before you say it, I bet you could beat me in SSB. I know I would not leave the game tho.
My skill doesn't even enter into it. I'm more paranoid about people having fun f*cking with other players.
I acknowledge that my views upon this are stilted, but not without reason. Having played various MMOs for a few years, I've known perfectly well that people will do anything they can to cause other people hassle in online games, known as "griefing".
There are three scenarios here:
1. Disconnects are tracked by Wii, meaning that players with too many disconnects will be excluded from random games.
2. Disconnects are tracked by Mii, meaning that players can make new Miis and continue to mess with people all they want.
3. Disconnects aren't tracked at all, meaning that it'll be a hassle when players drop but you can drop yourself without any worry.
#2 concerns me the most, as that means griefers will stick you with a bot just to piss you off and if you want to keep your drop record clean, you'll have to stay to fight it.
As for online skill, I hope I get my ass kicked around. It'll probably dishearten me at first, but after that I'll realize it just means I have much to learn in order to improve.
Post by: tombo125 on December 07, 2007, 06:00:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: tombo125
Smash_Brother, do us all a favor and get some of your online friends registered and play with them. Problem solved.
I can't. SSBB uses its own friend codes and not the Wii's.Quote
And you sound like you think you are the best player ever and nobody would ever want to finish a game with you. I doubt that either is true.
EDIT: Before you say it, I bet you could beat me in SSB. I know I would not leave the game tho.
My skill doesn't even enter into it. I'm more paranoid about people having fun f*cking with other players.
I acknowledge that my views upon this are stilted, but not without reason. Having played various MMOs for a few years, I've known perfectly well that people will do anything they can to cause other people hassle in online games, known as "griefing".
There are three scenarios here:
1. Disconnects are tracked by Wii, meaning that players with too many disconnects will be excluded from random games.
2. Disconnects are tracked by Mii, meaning that players can make new Miis and continue to mess with people all they want.
3. Disconnects aren't tracked at all, meaning that it'll be a hassle when players drop but you can drop yourself without any worry.
#2 concerns me the most, as that means griefers will stick you with a bot just to piss you off and if you want to keep your drop record clean, you'll have to stay to fight it.
As for online skill, I hope I get my ass kicked around. It'll probably dishearten me at first, but after that I'll realize it just means I have much to learn in order to improve.
Ok, i got owned on the bold. No more talking about things I dont know.
Your post makes more sense to me now. It sounded like you were saying that you were so good people would not like to play against you. But I still think that most people will not disconnect when they are losing. They might have to totally disconnect from the internet and that takes a while to connect to, if i remember correctly.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 07, 2007, 06:07:31 AM
I hope Sakurai was smart enough to include the option of turning bots off when setting up a match. Sakurai included the option to please people, but hopefully he included the option to turn it off and have players do whatever they want.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 07, 2007, 06:10:09 AM
As for the internet, it does take a bit of time to reconnect, but I still suspect we'd have a lot of droppers kicking around.
It's going to suck to be a mid-level player who doesn't drop: losing to better players while lesser players always drop on you.
I assume there will be some kind of penalty for dropping, but we'll have to wait and see. I'm pretty sure Sakurai said there would be no ranking system, but I'm not sure how it handles individual accounts.
Being able to turn it off would be the best of both worlds, just turning on an option which ends the game if there are no human opponents left would solve any issues.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 07, 2007, 06:11:25 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
It's no worry: we ALL got owned by the repeat friend codes bit.
As for the internet, it does take a bit of time to reconnect, but I still suspect we'd have a lot of droppers kicking around.
It's going to suck to be a mid-level player who doesn't drop: losing to better players while lesser players always drop on you.
I assume there will be some kind of penalty for dropping, but we'll have to wait and see. I'm pretty sure Sakurai said there would be no ranking system, but I'm not sure how it handles individual accounts.
Hopefully I can PWN you Smash_Brother with my CPU replacement.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 07, 2007, 06:16:40 AM
I'm not even going to suggest I'm that good, though. I'm the best player in my circle, but that doesn't mean anything at all since all it really means is that I suck the least.
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 07, 2007, 06:22:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
This is a terrible idea.
Is there anyone who WON'T realize when they're suddenly playing against a CPU? I've yet to play against a CPU in a SSB game which isn't painfully obvious, and I'm sure they'll have it fixed, but the E4All CPU videos weren't exactly encouraging.
Beyond that, if your opponent drops out of fear, you should win, period. I understand they didn't want to destroy the continuity of the match, but I don't like the fact that I could be continuing the game against a CPU when I went online to fight human players. I'd rather the match end and I jump into my next match against humans faster.Quote
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Man, all I can say is that update was EPIC. Yeah, I know it is a miss use of the word Epic. But I don't care. It was awesome.
To each their own, but you sound like you're covering for Sakurai.
We had this information years ago in the form of Metroid Hunters and its online mode which gave you the same choices, minus character selection. There's nothing new or worthwhile in this update, only that I can expect to start playing battles against humans but finish them against CPUs, which completely sucks ass since I can play against CPUs offline and I went online to fight human players.
I don't think it's a good idea that my scud of an opponent can drop a game and force me to defeat a bot or else I too get a disconnect by leaving the game.
I mean, if I dropped, I'd think, "Ha! That poor fool is going to keep playing a bot because he has no choice!" I couldn't think of a better revenge against a player that was better than you than forcing them to fight a CPU for the remainder of the match. It's like the game doesn't acknowledge that you intimidated your opponent but instead carries on like nothing is wrong when you clearly have a bot to mop up.
I was really looking forward to being able to jump into online play at any time and get practice against human players. This kills that for me because half the time will probably be spent against bots because of dropping assclowns. It's a neat idea in theory, but in practice, this will suck. I just hope it gives us the option to end the game when all the human players have dropped on you.
I don't think I am being apoligetic at all. The way I look at it is that Brawl is doing some pretty smart things with its online play.
Listen if you want to keep records of all your battles and compare your record with others that is available with your friends, which are the only people you really care about the record with anyway. I don't care if the world champion of Brawl gets another 100 wins because he is playing random people online that are nowhere as good as him.
What I do care about is what happens in the online matches I do play. Sometimes it takes awhile to match up with 3 other players and get a game started...I now know that if somebody drops out of the game, I am not left playing in an empty field. I can finish out the game quickly with computer players and find other players afterwards. It ends up not making the match meaningless and I can still have fun.
People drop out of random matches all the time. Specially if games are being scored. I would rather not have that happen. Also people can lose their connections and drop accidentally, and it is not fair to score against them. Finally, when computer players replace a human person I would rather not the winner get a credit for beating someone online, when they beat a computer.
Basically the system takes care of it self. Random matches are just that Random and with a means to keep it fun even if players drop. With your friends is where the real competition begins
Post by: Ceric on December 07, 2007, 06:27:45 AM
I just hope that the matching making will be ok.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 07, 2007, 06:48:24 AM
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First thing First. I'm pretty sure at one-point that there was no ranking what so ever in online battles and couple that with not even knowing who the people are. I mean if they drop who cares. What I'm hoping for are that they have hidden stats that will guage your ability with a character and in general. Adjust your replacements difficulty accordingly and call it a day.
I just hope that the matching making will be ok.
I understand what you mean, but when I don't have friends to play against, I want to be honing my skills and thinking, calculating opponents. I'd rather they drop and I jump back into the queue faster than have to notice that they're behaving just like bots.
Post by: vudu on December 07, 2007, 07:03:05 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 07, 2007, 07:20:46 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Maybe it's an option you can turn on and off. Quit complaining until you know the full story.
"If you get cut off, your character will get taken over by the CPU without your opponents even knowing—it pinch hits for you!"
I'm hopeful, but it doesn't sound like this is the case.
It's not THAT big of a deal. It's just that I was looking forward to going out into the "wild" and battling random players. I would be ok with players dropping but I'd rather not pointlessly fight bots.
Maybe you can still inflate your win/loss record off of bots, and maybe you get coins or prizes or something for winning online.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 07, 2007, 07:36:00 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 07, 2007, 09:29:42 AM
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And there is one more important thing...
When you have a battle mode that runs online like Basic Brawl, the problem of what to do with hidden characters arises. If one of your opponents chooses a character you haven’t unlocked yet, it will be spoiled for you immediately.
But even without this mode, given the proliferation of the Internet these days, the existence of hidden characters is going to get exposed anyway.
So, this time I’m moving in the direction of not being too hung up on hidden characters.
You can earn most characters by playing through Adventure Mode: The Subspace Emissary. For those of you who look forward to those encounters, I recommend you clear this mode before playing Basic Brawl.
And as the case has always been, I’ve made it so you can play the characters you unlock in battles.
This pretty much means we can expect him to reveal the hidden characters much sooner then expected. In Melee he didn't start showing them until after the game was released in Japan, but from his comment it sounds like this time he's going to start showing them before launch because most people will know about them on the internet right away anyway. Not to mention he's also just confirmed that most of the characters will be unlocked in the Subspace Emissary. Even though some of us had been thinking that a lot of them would be unlocked that way, it's now official.
Plus we're getting closer to the month before time period now so it sounds like Sakurai is getting everyone ready. Since December 24th is on a Monday that's also Christmas Eve and a month before the Japan release date you just know something big will be shown that day. So just 2 more weeks people until the real fun begins.
Post by: wandering on December 07, 2007, 09:51:17 AM
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Maybe you can still inflate your win/loss record off of bots [...]
You can't. The game doesn't keep track of wins/losses when you're playing against strangers, and bots don't replace players who drop out when you're playing against friends.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 07, 2007, 10:44:27 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude So just 2 more weeks people until the real fun begins.
I hope this is the case.
Also, I THOUGHT I remembered hearing earlier that Sakurai planned to release all of the secret character info before the game was released.
Here's hoping the good updates arrive soon.
Post by: LuigiHann on December 07, 2007, 11:08:55 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on December 07, 2007, 11:20:45 AM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHann
The assertion that I can be instantly and unnoticeably replaced by a computer is disconcerting... What is a "human" anyway? What is a "mind" or a "soul"? How do I know I'm not a computer already?
Well if you are, please don't take over the world.
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 07, 2007, 11:24:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: Luigi Dude So just 2 more weeks people until the real fun begins.
I hope this is the case.
Also, I THOUGHT I remembered hearing earlier that Sakurai planned to release all of the secret character info before the game was released.
Here's hoping the good updates arrive soon.
Well the timing is just too perfect. It's exactly a month before the Japanese release and Christmas is being celebrated in every country represented on the official website. With those two combined it's just obvious that Sakurai has something big planned for that week.
Unless Sakurai hates Christmas and wants us all to be just as angry as he is during the holidays.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 07, 2007, 11:24:58 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
This pretty much means we can expect him to reveal the hidden characters much sooner then expected.
I don't know about that...I really don't think Sakurai will go out of his way to directly reveal all (or even most of) the secret characters before the game is even out...
By not "being hung up" I take to mean that Sakurai isn't worried about people spoiling all of them, not that he will reveal them himself...
Post by: Mikintosh on December 07, 2007, 11:30:08 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
OK I'm sorry but why are none of you talking about this.Quote
And there is one more important thing...
When you have a battle mode that runs online like Basic Brawl, the problem of what to do with hidden characters arises. If one of your opponents chooses a character you haven’t unlocked yet, it will be spoiled for you immediately.
But even without this mode, given the proliferation of the Internet these days, the existence of hidden characters is going to get exposed anyway.
So, this time I’m moving in the direction of not being too hung up on hidden characters.
You can earn most characters by playing through Adventure Mode: The Subspace Emissary. For those of you who look forward to those encounters, I recommend you clear this mode before playing Basic Brawl.
And as the case has always been, I’ve made it so you can play the characters you unlock in battles.
This pretty much means we can expect him to reveal the hidden characters much sooner then expected. In Melee he didn't start showing them until after the game was released in Japan, but from his comment it sounds like this time he's going to start showing them before launch because most people will know about them on the internet right away anyway. Not to mention he's also just confirmed that most of the characters will be unlocked in the Subspace Emissary. Even though some of us had been thinking that a lot of them would be unlocked that way, it's now official.
Buh? He's referring to the fact that he's not going to block secret characters from being selectable when fighting against people online who still haven't unlocked them yet, as the average gamer will have found out about them once the game's been released due to the Internet. Nothing in there about pre-release information, he's adressing a post-launch scenario.
Not saying he won't reveal the secret characters before the game comes out anyway, but that's not what he's talking about here. And also, he said most of the locked characters will be unlocked through Subspace Emissary, not that most of the total characters in the game will be locked. Though, again, I wouldn't be surprised if they were both the case.
Post by: Tanookisuit on December 07, 2007, 12:13:14 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on December 07, 2007, 12:16:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Mr. JackQuote
Originally posted by: LuigiHann
The assertion that I can be instantly and unnoticeably replaced by a computer is disconcerting... What is a "human" anyway? What is a "mind" or a "soul"? How do I know I'm not a computer already?
Well if you are, please don't take over the world.
It may be too late!
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 07, 2007, 06:32:26 PM
The only way Nintendo can prevent this is if they refuse to give any Japanese publications early copies to review and to not ship any copies to retailers until the night before launch. Of course even if they did that you just know that some store in Hong Kong will somehow end up receiving a copy of the game one week before launch since they always do.
Post by: Mikintosh on December 07, 2007, 07:58:56 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 07, 2007, 11:45:16 PM
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Didn't Coro Coro say they were going to release the full list on the 15th?
I heard about that as well but I haven't been sure if the source was legit. If it is indeed true then we could be in for something big. Coro Coro is a very reliable magazine that has reveal exclusive info on several videogames in the past. Last year they revealed pretty much everything on Pokemon Diamond and Pearl quite a while before it was released in Japan. So if Nintendo allowed Coro Coro to reveal a lot about Pokemon DP before it's release, it wouldn't be that surprising for Nintendo to allow them to do the same for Brawl.
Oh please let this turn out to be true. I want to finally see me some CAPTAIN FALCON!!!
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 08, 2007, 06:55:40 AM
It's like the revelation of the Wii name: I want to get it over with so I can stop being disappointed early. Either I'll like the secret roster or I'll hate it, but I'd rather know now than risk unlocking it on launch day and being insanely disappointed right then and there.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 08, 2007, 07:29:32 AM
There's no middle ground? ='D
But you don't have to worry about waiting until you play it to find out who the secret characters are anyway...
(Also, I believe Coro Coro said it'd reveal the STARTING roster, which would be interesting in its own right...)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 08, 2007, 08:11:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
(Also, I believe Coro Coro said it'd reveal the STARTING roster, which would be interesting in its own right...)
I believe the same thing. I doubt they would reveal ALL characters right away. I do see them revealing a couple of brand new characters, which will then be featured on the SSB blog.
Oh and S_B, you can bet anything that once the Japanese version is released the net will be FILLED with threads saying "OMG ALL THE HIDDEN CHARACTERS REVEALED!!!!!!11!111". You'll likely know who's in the game by then.
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 08, 2007, 09:50:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
(Also, I believe Coro Coro said it'd reveal the STARTING roster, which would be interesting in its own right...)
So it's only the starting characters they said, well that makes a lot more sense. Considering December 15 is pretty close to the one month date, I'd imagine Nintendo would have no problem allowing a major publication like Coro Coro reveal that.
Well this should be quite interesting then. Hopefully we'll see a picture of the starting lineup character select screen, this way we might be able to get a good idea how many character might be in the final one.
Post by: Shecky on December 09, 2007, 06:04:59 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 09, 2007, 06:07:36 PM
You know, I had pondered quoting the "Yawwwwn" quote every time a crap update shows up but I don't want to be a royal bastard.
Post by: LuigiHann on December 09, 2007, 06:10:00 PM
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Sigh...
You know, I had pondered quoting the "Yawwwwn" quote every time a crap update shows up but I don't want to be a royal bastard.
Why do you even read/post in this thread every day? Anytime there's an update that you would find interesting, you know NWR will post it on the front page. So why follow the daily updates at all?
Post by: Shecky on December 09, 2007, 06:26:31 PM
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Originally posted on page 123 by: Smash_Brother
I realized why character reveals are the most important updates...
Character reveals, on the other hand, are definite. For example, King Dedede's reveal confirmed that he is in the game. We know nothing else, but we know that his likeness and character will be present in SSBB. How he plays, how his moves work in an actual gameplay context, etc. are still very much up in the air, but we KNOW that Dedede is in the game and you will be able to play as him.
That is THE most certain thing we can find out through updates. We only have snippets of music so we don't know if the whole song is good or not. Levels can look crazy but we won't know for certain because we don't have first-hand knowledge of how the physics of the game will relate to those levels.
The ONLY certainty in SSBB which we can know without playing it is the roster, period. Online could be laggy and unplayable, stickers could be boring, spectator mode could suck, the level editor could be clunky and buggy, but if they tell us Sonic is in the game, we KNOW FOR CERTAIN that he is in the damn game.
Anything else is speculation and invites disappointment. I was excited about the level editor but I was wrong in being so. Until I've felt how it plays, I'm just inviting disappointment.
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Originally posted on page 126 by: Smash_Brother
Character reveals, online play, level editor...these are the updates that matter. Everything else is just sundries.
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Sigh...
You know, I had pondered quoting the "Yawwwwn" quote every time a crap update shows up but I don't want to be a royal bastard.
You know, technically this is one of those so called "definite" parts, just like characters... New "definite" play mechanics are introduced and some could find them interesting. Pick up a PKMN after it opens... hinders your movement, need to actually USE it to get use out of it...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 09, 2007, 06:43:16 PM
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Originally posted by: SheckyQuote
Originally posted on page 123 by: Smash_Brother
I realized why character reveals are the most important updates...
Character reveals, on the other hand, are definite. For example, King Dedede's reveal confirmed that he is in the game. We know nothing else, but we know that his likeness and character will be present in SSBB. How he plays, how his moves work in an actual gameplay context, etc. are still very much up in the air, but we KNOW that Dedede is in the game and you will be able to play as him.
That is THE most certain thing we can find out through updates. We only have snippets of music so we don't know if the whole song is good or not. Levels can look crazy but we won't know for certain because we don't have first-hand knowledge of how the physics of the game will relate to those levels.
The ONLY certainty in SSBB which we can know without playing it is the roster, period. Online could be laggy and unplayable, stickers could be boring, spectator mode could suck, the level editor could be clunky and buggy, but if they tell us Sonic is in the game, we KNOW FOR CERTAIN that he is in the damn game.
Anything else is speculation and invites disappointment. I was excited about the level editor but I was wrong in being so. Until I've felt how it plays, I'm just inviting disappointment.Quote
Originally posted on page 126 by: Smash_Brother
Character reveals, online play, level editor...these are the updates that matter. Everything else is just sundries.Quote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Sigh...
You know, I had pondered quoting the "Yawwwwn" quote every time a crap update shows up but I don't want to be a royal bastard.
You know, technically this is one of those so called "definite" parts, just like characters... New "definite" play mechanics are introduced and some could find them interesting. Pick up a PKMN after it opens... hinders your movement, need to actually USE it to get use out of it...
I like quote trains, I think I'll join.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 09, 2007, 09:15:40 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 09, 2007, 10:50:07 PM
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Originally posted by: Shecky
You know, technically this is one of those so called "definite" parts, just like characters... New "definite" play mechanics are introduced and some could find them interesting. Pick up a PKMN after it opens... hinders your movement, need to actually USE it to get use out of it...
...Dude, Bonsly is basically a glorified throwing item. The "heavy" effect is probably similar to picking up a heavy crate or barrel, and the automatic knock out effect is probably similar to the homerun bat.
Its nothing special, and deep down you know it.
Post by: Sarail on December 09, 2007, 11:57:52 PM
Post by: Stogi on December 10, 2007, 01:25:48 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 10, 2007, 03:41:22 AM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHann
Why do you even read/post in this thread every day? Anytime there's an update that you would find interesting, you know NWR will post it on the front page. So why follow the daily updates at all?
I don't every day, not anymore.
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Originally posted by: pap64 ...Dude, Bonsly is basically a glorified throwing item. The "heavy" effect is probably similar to picking up a heavy crate or barrel, and the automatic knock out effect is probably similar to the homerun bat.
Its nothing special, and deep down you know it.
Yeah, basically it's a "pokebarrel", which they're coincidentally scraping the bottom of for these updates.
We're going on, what, 4 weeks with no character update? If they don't at least reveal C.Falcon soon, LuigiDude will die of anticipation and we'll have to pool our money to hire an assassin to avenge his death.
Post by: nickmitch on December 10, 2007, 04:51:33 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 10, 2007, 05:24:56 AM
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Originally posted by: TVman
Look, LuigiDude is cool and all, but assassins cost money.
I'll do it for FREE!
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 10, 2007, 05:34:22 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 10, 2007, 06:33:33 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: TVman
Look, LuigiDude is cool and all, but assassins cost money.
I'll do it for FREE!
No offense, Pap, but you're 6' or so.
They'd see you on a crowded Japanese street from miles away.
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 10, 2007, 07:03:45 AM
Of course I'll no longer be able to play multi-player against people anymore because I'll just each their brains. Oh wait, I just realized why Nintendo is really using the Friend Code system. It's to protect everyone from Zombie players. A game like Smash Bros is the perfect way for Zombies to lure there victims right to them.
So Friend Codes are useful after all. That's the only thing that's going to prevent Zombie Luigi Dude from eating all your brains.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 10, 2007, 08:21:37 AM
At least, I think that's how it works...
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 10, 2007, 09:16:52 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
You should eat Sakurai's brain, then YOU become the director of the next SSB game.
At least, I think that's how it works...
Well you all can be sure that Simon Belmont and Megaman will be in the next Smash Bros then. Plus the top tier characters are going to be Fawful, Jeigan and Link's Uncle.
Oh and this is going to be the music that plays in the Zelda stage.
Post by: EasyCure on December 10, 2007, 11:06:31 AM
They should of made Link do that WHOLE dance when he wears the Kamalo Mask from MM
Post by: Bomb-omb on December 10, 2007, 11:48:06 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 10, 2007, 01:35:49 PM
Holy fail Batman.
Post by: IceCold on December 10, 2007, 01:50:05 PM
Post by: stevey on December 10, 2007, 06:06:31 PM
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Rotation is limited to 16 players. Mm hmm.
16 player online mode confirmed!
Post by: LuigiHann on December 10, 2007, 06:22:37 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
Rotation!Quote
Rotation is limited to 16 players. Mm hmm.
16 player online mode confirmed!
The "Mm hmm" made me laugh. I'm pretty sure that he's setting up for a future "tournament mode" update.
Post by: Shecky on December 10, 2007, 11:52:58 PM
To bad I'm no longer likely to have 4+ friends playing at any one time
Post by: Tanookisuit on December 11, 2007, 01:24:23 AM
Post by: Tanookisuit on December 11, 2007, 01:24:25 AM
Post by: JonLeung on December 11, 2007, 03:44:10 AM
Well, it's pretty cool on its own anyway. On occasions when there are more than four people, it's nice to have some rotation system, better now that it's enforced in the game and allows for names and control schemes.
I guess the Smash Bros. think tank does more than just think up new characters and stages...they care about how we play.
Post by: Stogi on December 11, 2007, 05:52:33 AM
This'll probably be attached to a tournament mode as well.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 11, 2007, 06:03:50 AM
The only addition (and a welcome one at that) is the "I gotta drop one!" option which sends you to the end of the queue.
Post by: Gylldas on December 11, 2007, 08:32:42 AM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHannQuote
Originally posted by: stevey
Rotation!Quote
Rotation is limited to 16 players. Mm hmm.
16 player online mode confirmed!
The "Mm hmm" made me laugh. I'm pretty sure that he's setting up for a future "tournament mode" update.
I'm still holding out for that online tournament mode....as unlikely as it seems...
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 11, 2007, 06:04:02 PM
OPTIONS. They announced...OPTIONS.
It's official: they have hit ROCK F*CKING BOTTOM...
Sigh, at least the Ice Climber theme is decent...but...but...OPTIONS...GRAAA!
Post by: Shecky on December 11, 2007, 06:04:35 PM
Post by: Tanookisuit on December 11, 2007, 06:10:44 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on December 11, 2007, 06:35:46 PM
Did anyone catch what he said about that "Group" mode the other day? That you could only have as many players as the console would accept controllers? Then he purported that number to be four at the time being? Something like that, at least? That struck me as a strange thing to say, since we know you can play with both GC controllers and with Wiimotes, making at least eight controllers a possibility.
Then, today, we get a screen showing the rumble options, and what's on the screen? Six controllers. Three cube controllers and three Wiimote combos. This means that Brawl in particular is able to utilize all eight controllers at the same time, at least in the options screen.
Now, I know I'm drawing conclusions, yes, I admit that, but does anyone get the feeling that we might see more than four players allowed in a match? Is it possible that six or eight players would be included? In Melee, we saw one battle with six opponents that weren't wire frames, but we did see more than four, nonetheless. I get the feeling that, like the character screen, we've been seeing slightly modified screens to make it look like there's only four possible players at a time. I would not be surprised to see an announcement at some point in time talking about additional players, at least, in local, single-console play.
In fact, considering the game was supposed to be released by now, with a nicely announced Dec. 3rd release date, didn't it seem odd that they pushed the date back? Would it take that long, you know, three months, to add in a character or two? I dunno. Perhaps they wanted to pursue this possibility as well...
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 11, 2007, 06:46:39 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
In fact, considering the game was supposed to be released by now, with a nicely announced Dec. 3rd release date, didn't it seem odd that they pushed the date back? Would it take that long, you know, three months, to add in a character or two? I dunno. Perhaps they wanted to pursue this possibility as well...
Where the rotation option allows you to choose the number of entrants, it clearly says at the bottom of the screen "Select 2, 3, or 4 players per match".
It's a shame, though. 8 player SSB would be the epitome of awesome.
Post by: IceCold on December 11, 2007, 06:50:08 PM
QuoteSweet. Though it's only useful for Cube controllers..
Toggle the proverbial buzz-buzz on your controllers on and off.
Just remember, the Classic Controller doesn’t have rumble, so don’t get too carried away.
You can also set rumble preferences for each logged name.
EDIT: And the Ice Climbers remix is neat. I liked the riff in the middle.
QuoteWell, Sakurai did direct that game too after all.
Main menu looks very meteos like to me for some reason.
Post by: Mikintosh on December 11, 2007, 08:05:33 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteSweet. Though it's only useful for Cube controllers..
Toggle the proverbial buzz-buzz on your controllers on and off.
Just remember, the Classic Controller doesn’t have rumble, so don’t get too carried away.
You can also set rumble preferences for each logged name.
The Wii-Remote has a rumble as well, so it's every controller but Classic that it applies to.
Also, since the music test has Animal Crossing as a category, there's just gotta be an AC character in the planning have a stage and music and all that without a playable character from the franchise would be quite odd.
Post by: IceCold on December 11, 2007, 08:25:32 PM
QuoteI meant that you can already turn the rumble off for the remote with the Home menu..
The Wii-Remote has a rumble as well, so it's every controller but Classic that it applies to.
Post by: LuigiHann on December 11, 2007, 08:52:38 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Good god....
OPTIONS. They announced...OPTIONS.
It's official: they have hit ROCK F*CKING BOTTOM...
Sigh, at least the Ice Climber theme is decent...but...but...OPTIONS...GRAAA!
It was a double update. If they were scraping the bottom of the barrel, they wouldn't put two updates out at once. Sakurai wanted to show us the options. I think he's just messing with you.
As for the music, I'm really liking that there's variety between the tracks, as opposed to Melee's "faux-orchestra-and-occasional-metal" soundtrack.
Oh, and I was hoping that clicking on "buzz-buzz" would bring up an Earthbound-related easter egg. Oh well.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 11, 2007, 10:08:32 PM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHannQuote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Good god....
OPTIONS. They announced...OPTIONS.
It's official: they have hit ROCK F*CKING BOTTOM...
Sigh, at least the Ice Climber theme is decent...but...but...OPTIONS...GRAAA!
It was a double update. If they were scraping the bottom of the barrel, they wouldn't put two updates out at once. Sakurai wanted to show us the options. I think he's just messing with you.
The fact that they included a second update pretty much confirms that it was a lousy update.
I hate to be a jerk about this and I know people have different views on things but its annoying how some fans are defending what is esentially a pointless update.
"Oh but the update shows you how flexible the game is!".
Come on, some fans say that as if Brawl is the first game ever to have an options menu.
The ONLY good thing about this update is that sound test is available from the start, meaning that there should be better stuff to unlock this time around.
But other than that, its a worthless update. If it wasn't for the fact that Brawl is going to be released next month in Japan I would've suggested that Sakurai should stop updating the blog, at least until he had something to talk about.
Post by: that Baby guy on December 11, 2007, 10:35:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: thatguy
In fact, considering the game was supposed to be released by now, with a nicely announced Dec. 3rd release date, didn't it seem odd that they pushed the date back? Would it take that long, you know, three months, to add in a character or two? I dunno. Perhaps they wanted to pursue this possibility as well...
Where the rotation option allows you to choose the number of entrants, it clearly says at the bottom of the screen "Select 2, 3, or 4 players per match".
It's a shame, though. 8 player SSB would be the epitome of awesome.
I'd agree, but remember, anything to do with character selections and the like has been altered to use as an early demo version. Like how the character select screen is not the final starting character select screen, the stage select screen is not the final stage select screen, and the special battle mode screen was missing battle modes. He easily could have altered this mode. That's what I'm saying. That despite the wording there had been altered to hide the fact. I just don't think these two updates happened so close to each other by chance, I think he might be preparing to reveal something to us.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 12, 2007, 01:33:05 AM
Ice Climber
The Roost - Animal Crossing: Wild World
Pokémon Main Theme - Pokémon Red/Blue
Wild Pokémon Battle - Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire
The new Ice Climber theme is amazing, too...
Post by: Tanookisuit on December 12, 2007, 02:13:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Mikintosh
Also, since the music test has Animal Crossing as a category, there's just gotta be an AC character in the planning have a stage and music and all that without a playable character from the franchise would be quite odd.
I disagree. We won't have a Pictochat character either. I don't think this proves anything.
Post by: Stogi on December 12, 2007, 02:54:53 AM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
You know, I hate to say this, I really do, but...
Did anyone catch what he said about that "Group" mode the other day? That you could only have as many players as the console would accept controllers? Then he purported that number to be four at the time being? Something like that, at least? That struck me as a strange thing to say, since we know you can play with both GC controllers and with Wiimotes, making at least eight controllers a possibility.
Then, today, we get a screen showing the rumble options, and what's on the screen? Six controllers. Three cube controllers and three Wiimote combos. This means that Brawl in particular is able to utilize all eight controllers at the same time, at least in the options screen.
Now, I know I'm drawing conclusions, yes, I admit that, but does anyone get the feeling that we might see more than four players allowed in a match? Is it possible that six or eight players would be included? In Melee, we saw one battle with six opponents that weren't wire frames, but we did see more than four, nonetheless. I get the feeling that, like the character screen, we've been seeing slightly modified screens to make it look like there's only four possible players at a time. I would not be surprised to see an announcement at some point in time talking about additional players, at least, in local, single-console play.
In fact, considering the game was supposed to be released by now, with a nicely announced Dec. 3rd release date, didn't it seem odd that they pushed the date back? Would it take that long, you know, three months, to add in a character or two? I dunno. Perhaps they wanted to pursue this possibility as well...
That's an interesting theory. It's all based on one sentence and it's structure, but still very interesting.
That sentence is:
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The number of people who can play is limited by the number of controllers that can connect.
Why wouldn't he clarify that? Or simply say the max is 4?
Post by: that Baby guy on December 12, 2007, 03:08:16 AM
Don't forget, there's a five-player Bomberman game out there on the VC that I don't own that I should own, but if that's any indicator, it's certainly possible for at least eight controllers to be connected!
Not to mention...the DS! Though that's really stretching it, the DS could become a possible control option...maybe I should try to email Sakurai to suggest this! Heck, together, he and I could delay this game another month or two!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 12, 2007, 04:20:08 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
FOUR confirmed music tracks in this update, so anyone complaining sucks...
And anyone trying to find some good in an absolutely stupid update sucks EVEN HARDER.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 12, 2007, 04:29:00 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 12, 2007, 04:55:33 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
FOUR confirmed music tracks in this update, so anyone complaining sucks...
Not until I can actually listen to them to ascertain whether or not they're terrible.
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Originally posted by: Mikintosh I disagree. We won't have a Pictochat character either. I don't think this proves anything.
It'd have to be a hand-drawn wang...
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You found exactly what I'm talking about! The second point is that today, he showed six controllers connected!
I believe the idea was that players who preferred to use GC controllers or Wiimotes could use whichever one they wanted and they'd have to swap less often.
Look, I'd love to have 6-8 player Smash, but I think you're just reading too much into something which we analytically knew SSBB would need, since it has support for both GC and Wiimote controllers.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 12, 2007, 04:57:03 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Yeah, because finding actual good is far worse than being over-the-top emo trying to deny what is actually there...I'll give you a few points for effort, though...
At least its better that donning pink shades that makes everything look wonderful and pretending that crap tastes like cake...
Look, like I said in my earlier post, I know people have different views on things but at times you have to admit when something is crappy and stupid and this is one of those times.
The options menu has been a staple of gaming since the 16-bit days. Any game that doesn't offer that does not deserve being looked at. Just because Brawl has it it doesn't make it a fantastic addition.
And I give a crap about the "confirmed" song selections. We know the game will have multiple tracks, so why make a big deal over some songs? It won't change the way the game is played.
Long story short, no matter what YOU or anyone else says it won't change the fact that they just made an update about something you could've learned about by reading the manual.
I know that Sakurai is stalling for time and will eventually drop a megaton on us but there is much better stuff to talk about, stuff we actually care about. The fact that they paired up a music update with the main update pretty much tells you that even Sakurai thought the update was shallow.
Hell, if it wasn't for the fact that Brawl will be released next month in Japan I would've suggested that Sakurai took a break from the blog. After all, in the old blog he said that he would focus on the game and come back when there was something to talk about. By the way the updates are turning out I rather have him take a break and focus on taking a break or talking about how wonderful inserting the game disc on the Wii for the first time is.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 12, 2007, 04:58:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I believe the idea was that players who preferred to use GC controllers or Wiimotes could use whichever one they wanted and they'd have to swap less often.
This is what I think too; just another convenience factor, which is still nice...
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Originally posted by: pap64
We know the game will have multiple tracks, so why make a big deal over some songs? It won't change the way the game is played.
Well clearly we are at odds at what draws us to Smash Brothers...As this is a nostalgia game, I'm drawn to the addition of anything from Ninty's collection of franchises...So yes, even music is something to get excited about for me...
Post by: Ceric on December 12, 2007, 05:02:01 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Yeah, because finding actual good is far worse than being over-the-top emo trying to deny what is actually there...I'll give you a few points for effort, though...
...you could've learned about by reading the manual.
Theres a Hole in your logic Pap and its bolded. No one read manual anymore. No matter how good they are. Which is a shame.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 12, 2007, 05:11:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: pap64
We know the game will have multiple tracks, so why make a big deal over some songs? It won't change the way the game is played.
Well clearly we are at odds at what draws us to Smash Brothers...As this is a nostalgia game, I'm drawn to the addition of anything from Ninty's collection of franchises...So yes, even music is something to get excited about for me...
Fair enough, but its hard to deny that the adventure mode has the best nostalgia factor in the whole game. The music is neat, but since most of it will be remixed (and the results have been mixed IMHO) it doesn't inspire the nostalgia factor in me.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 12, 2007, 05:17:35 AM
I don't know...I consider Adventure Mode to be more akin to "blatent and awesome fanservice" than nostalgia...
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 12, 2007, 05:38:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Well clearly we are at odds at what draws us to Smash Brothers...As this is a nostalgia game, I'm drawn to the addition of anything from Ninty's collection of franchises...So yes, even music is something to get excited about for me...
I still think we should wait and listen to these tracks first.
Some of the remixes have been decent while others have been utter bastardizations of the songs they were based upon.
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 12, 2007, 06:05:36 AM
Plus I don't see why anyone should even care about the updates this week when Coro Coro is supposedly going to reveal the starting lineup on the 15th, which will be the 14th over here. And if the info is leaked, it'll actually be the 13th over here, which OMG is tomarrow.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 12, 2007, 06:13:19 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I still think we should wait and listen to these tracks first.
Some of the remixes have been decent while others have been utter bastardizations of the songs they were based upon.
I've enjoyed every single of the tracks so far, so yeah, "one man's trash is another man's treasure," I guess... =)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 12, 2007, 06:37:50 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Nobody should be expecting anything big (unless it's Captain Falcon) until December 24th and beyond, so be glad that Sakurai's taking care of all the lesser updates now, so that this way he can focus on all the big stuff latter. I'd rather have the Option update now, then in mid January when he should be dropping MEGATON bombs like crazy.
Plus I don't see why anyone should even care about the updates this week when Coro Coro is supposedly going to reveal the starting lineup on the 15th, which will be the 14th over here. And if the info is leaked, it'll actually be the 13th over here, which OMG is tomarrow.
True, but still, I'm sure there are smaller updates worth talking about. Hell, if today's update was just the Ice climbers track I would've ignored it and moved on.
We haven't gotten an adventure mode update in weeks now. We still have board the platforms left to be confirmed, how we are going to use the coins we earn in single player and how the characters will power up in adventure mode. Surely those serve as small but more worthwhile updates.
And I actually don't expect anything special out of the Coro Coro article and could be just the fans taking things way out of proportion. I expect them to reveal the already confirmed characters with a couple of new veterans and maybe ONE newcomer.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 12, 2007, 06:53:54 AM
"In a few days, we’ll have more word on details in a Japanese magazine called Koro Koro. The latest issue goes on sale in Japan on the 14th, with my tipsters telling me that very intriguing Smash Bros. Brawl news is imminent. A new mode? Probably not. But a guess of a new character wouldn’t be too far off."
Of course, I don't take too kindly to his posts anymore after his Golden Sun travesty...
Post by: Adrock on December 12, 2007, 08:37:41 AM
Post by: IceCold on December 12, 2007, 08:58:39 AM
Post by: Stogi on December 12, 2007, 09:07:01 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 12, 2007, 10:05:08 AM
Look, I understand that not every developer takes the time to make a blog and update it daily with new info. But simply because Sakurai does that it doesn't mean that we must approve of every single update. Its like excusing the lazy behavior of an employee simply because he has a wife and kids.
If you people liked the update, despite its redundancy, fine. I won't shove down that fact down your throats anymore. However, don't you even dare try to change MY perception of an update simply because you are too freaking hyped and worship the ground Sakurai walks on.
People will have negative opinions on stuff, deal with it.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 12, 2007, 10:13:15 AM
Right now, Sakurai is like that guy on a date who's desperately trying to fill the air with conversation to avoid awkward silences: he'll prattle on about ANYTHING because, in his mind, silence is worse.
On the subject, I highly doubt the CoroCoro announcement will be anything worthwhile.
Post by: Shecky on December 12, 2007, 12:07:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I agree with Pap: Sakurai locked himself into an update every day and would've probably been fine if not for the delay and now he's scraping for subject matter.
Right now, Sakurai is like thatguy on a date who's desperately trying to fill the air with conversation to avoid awkward silences: he'll prattle on about ANYTHING because, in his mind, silence is worse.
Say what you will about Sakurai, but try and leave thatguy's problems out of this...
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 12, 2007, 12:09:23 PM
Post by: Stogi on December 12, 2007, 12:43:25 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Blah Blah Blah doesn't mean that we must approve of every single update. Blah Blah Blah
I didn't say you have to approve anything. All I was saying is that you shouldn't BITCH so much.
How long has he been doing these updates? A half a year -- more than a half a year?!
Stop whining about every single update and deal with it.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 12, 2007, 12:48:47 PM
From now on, anyone who accuses someone else of bitching should be accused of kissing Sakurai's ass. I'm all for looking on the bright side of an update, but when we can't tell where Sakurai ends and someone else begins, it's time to give it a rest.
The options menu is a garbage update. It's the equivalent of inviting company over and ensuring that, on the tour of your house, they make special notice of the cat box.
Ice Climbers theme is good (sounds more like an F-Zero theme, though), but let's not be harping on people for stating facts.
Post by: Stogi on December 12, 2007, 01:03:13 PM
Secondly, it's a Nintendo FAN site, so people are more prone to kiss ass here.
Thirdly, your bitching about something that in a month will be irrelevant; the meaningless bitch. You said it yourself, Sakurai didn't have to do a daily update; but now that he's "locked in", you have to constantly bitch about what updates you find to be stupid and what updates you find to be pointless. What you don't understand is that this whole thing is POINTLESS except for one main reason; it's a means for Sakurai to keep the game on your mind, and guess what...it works!
Seriously, you guys keep biting the hand that feeds you.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 12, 2007, 01:04:11 PM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogiQuote
Originally posted by: pap64
Blah Blah Blah doesn't mean that we must approve of every single update. Blah Blah Blah
I didn't say you have to approve anything. All I was saying is that you shouldn't BITCH so much.
How long has he been doing these updates? A half a year -- more than a half a year?!
Stop whining about every single update and deal with it.
I don't bitch at every update. If there's something worth noting I will point it out, but the point stands. If I think the update is pure garbage I'll bitch about it and its my right, just like its your right of getting an orgasm when Sakurai talks about how exciting it is to turn on the Wii and insert the game for the first time.
I agree with what S_B said. Its a sad day in gaming when a pathetic update gets the insane praise of rabid fanboys.
What's even sadder about this board is that people live on a double standard. Its OK harshly criticize every game out there, Nintendo's included, yet its a sin to be negative about Brawl.
Brawl will be an excellent game, yes, but not even Halo fanboys are so stuck up the game's ass that they harp on anyone that points out a game's flaws.
Post by: Stogi on December 12, 2007, 01:08:22 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 12, 2007, 01:11:58 PM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
Thirdly, your bitching about something that in a month will be irrelevant; the meaningless bitch or a.k.a the "nag". You said it yourself, Sakurai didn't have to do a daily update; but now that he's "locked in", you have to constantly bitch about what updates you find to be stupid and what updates you find to be pointless. What you don't understand is that this whole thing is POINTLESS except for one reason; it's a mean for Sakurai to keep the game on your mind, and guess what...it did!
On that note, praising the updates is also irrelevant because people would be too busy actually playing the game to even care about menus and options.
This ain't no longer about the updates, its about our right to voice our opinion. If we thought the update was stupid and could've been better we have the right to say so, even if its like a nail on a chalkboard for some. If people found some good on the updates, fine. But its annoying when people come harping on us with claims of being ungrateful, annoying and stupid.
Its basically turning a discussion thread into a head nodding thread in which everything spoken is sacred and anyone that speaks otherwise gets ridiculed.
I REALLY hate to see how the forums will turn out when the first reviews arrive and some claim that Brawl is more of the same...
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 12, 2007, 01:24:35 PM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi Thirdly, your bitching about something that in a month will be irrelevant; the meaningless bitch.
Oh, I forgot: every time someone praises Brawl, an angel gets its wings.
Sorry, praise is just as meaningless as bitching, if not more so because at least bitching tends to spawn interesting discussion whereas standing around nodding heads gets nothing accomplished.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 12, 2007, 01:28:49 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
This ain't no longer about the updates, its about our right to voice our opinion. If we thought the update was stupid and could've been better we have the right to say so, even if its like a nail on a chalkboard for some. If people found some good on the updates, fine. But its annoying when people come harping on us with claims of being ungrateful, annoying and stupid.
You were the first one to say someone was annoying in this day's conversation, buster. You said, "I hate to be a jerk about this and I know people have different views on things but its annoying how some fans are defending what is esentially a pointless update," to LuigiHann, who wasn't even praising the update. Nobody else had praised the options update before that, either. Also, I note that you admitted to being a jerk about this. People don't like jerks. Why are you so surprised by the outcome?
Then there was this gem: "I know people have different views on things but at times you have to admit when something is crappy and stupid and this is one of those times." What's that? People have to admit that your opinion is correct? And here I thought you were the one being persecuted!
My point is that you're welcome to your opinion, but try not to have such a bad attitude. It's the "I'm better than you because I can call a turd a turd" behavior that's rankling people's nerves. Or at least mine.
(I already regret getting involved in this. Working three and a half hours late is bad for my sense of propriety.)
Post by: Stogi on December 12, 2007, 01:30:00 PM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
Thirdly, your bitching about something that in a month will be irrelevant; the meaningless bitch or a.k.a the "nag". You said it yourself, Sakurai didn't have to do a daily update; but now that he's "locked in", you have to constantly bitch about what updates you find to be stupid and what updates you find to be pointless. What you don't understand is that this whole thing is POINTLESS except for one reason; it's a mean for Sakurai to keep the game on your mind, and guess what...it did!
On that note, praising the updates is also irrelevant because people would be too busy actually playing the game to even care about menus and options.
This ain't no longer about the updates, its about our right to voice our opinion. If we thought the update was stupid and could've been better we have the right to say so, even if its like a nail on a chalkboard for some. If people found some good on the updates, fine. But its annoying when people come harping on us with claims of being ungrateful, annoying and stupid.
Its basically turning a discussion thread into a head nodding thread in which everything spoken is sacred and anyone that speaks otherwise gets ridiculed.
I REALLY hate to see how the forums will turn out when the first reviews arrive and some claim that Brawl is more of the same...
Obviously, you missed my point.
Your taking this way too seriously; that's my point.
Post by: LuigiHann on December 12, 2007, 01:45:53 PM
I can picture you guys going page by page through the game manual, complaining about each boring page. It amuses me greatly.
"Notes? What the hell is this?!"
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 12, 2007, 01:49:03 PM
Post by: Stogi on December 12, 2007, 01:56:10 PM
No, no, I lied.
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Originally posted by: PartyBear Does anyone even use those note pages in manuals?
Ahh fond memories of password saving.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on December 12, 2007, 03:27:37 PM
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I can picture you guys going page by page through the game manual, complaining about each boring page. It amuses me greatly.
...Except no one presented the pages of the manual to me thinking I'd be interested.
I understand why Sakurai is scrapping, but I just hope he shows us something a bit better tonight.
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"Notes? What the hell is this?!"
OMFG, that'll be tonight's update. "Manual Notes!"
Don't blame Pap. For one, he realizes this is karma for bitching me out back when I first disliked Melee.
Also, his 360 just clownsploded on him with a RROD.
The updates will get better soon. We just have to wait.
Post by: Stogi on December 12, 2007, 04:49:12 PM
Would you mind translating that for me?
Post by: Sarail on December 12, 2007, 05:03:24 PM
RROD -- Red Ring of Death.
And that equals the death of your 360 console pretty much.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 12, 2007, 06:08:28 PM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on December 12, 2007, 06:10:11 PM
(The map in the background showing where the racers are is pretty neat...Gotta pay attention to the fight and the background...)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 12, 2007, 06:11:22 PM
What I find a tad disappointing is that you don't travel around the track, especially since the team that designed it went above and beyond the call of duty and made a FULL racing stage.
But I really like it.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 12, 2007, 06:11:37 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 12, 2007, 06:14:03 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on December 12, 2007, 06:15:35 PM
BTW did anyone else think that Mario Circuit was going to be like Mute City in that you are on platforms that move through the stage as opposed to staying in a stationary position on the track? Not that I do not like how the stage is I was just expecting it to be something else.
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Post by: anubis6789 on December 12, 2007, 06:25:39 PM
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If only the racers used items...
who says they do not, for instance the Yoshi’s Island update did not mention the chain chomps that were on the stage at E for All, granted they could have added the chain chomps after the update but they also could have just held back that knowledge as a surprise.
Post by: that Baby guy on December 12, 2007, 06:25:59 PM
The grandstands are attacking! Would someone please think of the children!
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 12, 2007, 06:41:01 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
who says they do not, for instance the Yoshi’s Island update did not mention the chain chomps that were on the stage at E for All, granted they could have added the chain chomps after the update but they also could have just held back that knowledge as a surprise.
I was merely speaking hypothetically...It'd be quite lovely if that were the case... =)
"First off, the only one really praising the update is Bill and that's what Bill does. He is the ultimate Nintendo Fan Boy."
Meeeeh, just noticed this post...I kinda take offense to this, because it implies I like things just because they are Nintendo, regardless of quality...I will never, EVER, make a post lauding something I dislike or am not interested in, no matter if it's Nintendo-related or not...(When it comes to SmashDates, I simply just don't post in this thread if I'm not interested in the update...)
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Post by: Stogi on December 13, 2007, 02:54:20 AM
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who says they do not, for instance the Yoshi’s Island update did not mention the chain chomps that were on the stage at E for All, granted they could have added the chain chomps after the update but they also could have just held back that knowledge as a surprise.
I was merely speaking hypothetically...It'd be quite lovely if that were the case... =)
"First off, the only one really praising the update is Bill and that's what Bill does. He is the ultimate Nintendo Fan Boy."
Meeeeh, just noticed this post...I kinda take offense to this, because it implies I like things just because they are Nintendo, regardless of quality...I will never, EVER, make a post lauding something I dislike or am not interested in, no matter if it's Nintendo-related or not...(When it comes to SmashDates, I simply just don't post in this thread if I'm not interested in the update...)
No No No....you mistook what I was saying. I meant that you almost always find the good in everything Nintendo does, even if the majority was bad; and the songs were a perfect example of that. I didn't mean for you to take offense by that. Maybe the "Ultimate Nintendo Fan Boy" was a bit much, but how would you describe yourself?
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 13, 2007, 03:00:58 AM
Post by: Stogi on December 13, 2007, 03:40:18 AM
Welcome to your new forum title, Bill "Fanboy of Fun" Aurion!
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 13, 2007, 03:44:23 AM
Back on topic, it appears that there is 30 pages of info that will be in CoroCoro, most of which will probably be old info, of course...Still, 30 pages is quite a lot for nothing new to pop up in...
Post by: Stogi on December 13, 2007, 03:49:08 AM
30 pages is a hell of a lot. Then again, character profiles and stages could take up a very hefty portion of that. So who knows?
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 13, 2007, 03:52:39 AM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 13, 2007, 06:06:42 AM
Magazines can be like that sometimes. And before I get the flame treatment again, I'm just saying to not get your hopes up as it could be just a reprint of the information already seen on the blog.
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 13, 2007, 06:26:02 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 13, 2007, 06:54:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
True, but even the smallest bit of new information is still, new information. Especially if it involves a picture of a character or stage we haven't seen before.
As long as it isn't information about how to insert the game on the Wii I am fine with it
.I DO expect at least one character reveal, even if its a veteran character. The magazine must have at least something that will make it worth something.
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 13, 2007, 08:11:53 AM
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I DO expect at least one character reveal, even if its a veteran character. The magazine must have at least something that will make it worth something.
Well since there's 30 pages I'd imagine they'll go into detail about the characters shown so far. If this is the case then when they get to Zelda I'm sure they'll have to say something about Sheik. Since Sheik is part of Zelda I'd imagine that Coro Coro would be allowed finally reveal her. With the game close to a month away I don't see why Nintendo would have any trouble with Sheik being revealed now.
Of course, if Sheik is going to be the only character shown in Coro Coro that we haven't seen yet, I get the feeling Sakurai will end up showing her in tomarrows update just to make sure nothing Coro Coro reveals is new then.
Post by: Stogi on December 13, 2007, 08:54:29 AM
I use to hate fighting sheik because she was so damn quick and as link I couldn't stand a chance using my normal tactics of attack.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 13, 2007, 09:58:44 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 13, 2007, 10:01:48 AM
From SmashBoards, take it with caution for now!
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Capt. Falcon is revealed to be in the game along with Ridley and Luigi. Ridley is in his Meta-Ridley form and is shown in one shot with Bowser and Dedede and another shot vs. Samus in which he is holding a Home-Run bat. They are the only 3 "new" characters shown and anyone expecting anything else is going to be disapointed.
Also, there are screenshots of what looks to be an F-Zero stage called "Port Town". I've never played the F-Zero games so I'm not sure of its importance. Also, the stage in the E 4 All video is shown again and revealed to be "Ashley Manor". I take it that's Ashley's house from WarioWare? Joe also said there is also a picture of what looks to be "Fountain of Dreams". I'm assuming that a Past Stage like Temple is.
Finally, another picture is shown with the Star Rod and one with Luigi using his Poultergust 3000. It could be his down B or it could be a new item, Joe said he wasn't sure.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 13, 2007, 10:02:00 AM
EDIT: Never mind. If this info is legit, then Cap will be crapping himself before long.
ASHLEY!!!!?!?!?!?!?
Post by: capamerica on December 13, 2007, 10:06:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionAlso, the stage in the E 4 All video is shown again and revealed to be "Ashley Manor". I take it that's Ashley's house from WarioWare?
I really hope it is Ashley's Manor and not a mis-labeled Luigi's Mansion.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 13, 2007, 10:12:20 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on December 13, 2007, 10:41:09 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 13, 2007, 10:51:23 AM
Huh, I wonder what they mean by that...
Marth, G&W and Ganondorf? Three clone characters? Japan exclusive characters?
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 13, 2007, 10:52:43 AM
Until we get scans, we have nothing solid.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 13, 2007, 11:03:31 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
"They are the only 3 "new" characters shown and anyone expecting anything else is going to be disappointed."
Huh, I wonder what they mean by that...
Marth, G&W and Ganondorf? Three clone characters? Japan exclusive characters?
Uh, he means that there's no one else besides Captain Falcon, Luigi, and Ridley... =)
Post by: Shecky on December 13, 2007, 11:05:43 AM
Know what would be hilarious ... if they had the full roster... of pokemon that appear in the game!
Bwahahaha!
Post by: capamerica on December 13, 2007, 11:07:22 AM
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I would not be unhappy if they include Ashley as a playable character, although it still seems odd that they'd use her over Mona.
Ashley is actually one of the most popular characters in the 'Made in Wario' series in Japan. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to find out that she is the second most popular. When she was introduced in 'Sawaru Made in Wario', Japan went crazy for her (so did a lot of people in the US too =P).
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 13, 2007, 11:22:32 AM
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"They are the only 3 "new" characters shown and anyone expecting anything else is going to be disappointed."
Huh, I wonder what they mean by that...
Marth, G&W and Ganondorf? Three clone characters? Japan exclusive characters?
Uh, he means that there's no one else besides Captain Falcon, Luigi, and Ridley... =)
Oh, I misread it.
If that's true then what I predicted is accurate , but like S_B said nothing's solid until we get scans.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 13, 2007, 11:28:03 AM
(Meanwhile, the source still claims that he is telling the truth...Where are the bloody scans so we can be done with this? *sigh*)
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 13, 2007, 11:30:26 AM
If I were going to pull something like this, I'd have to claim something absolutely insane, like that the Duck Hunt Dog, Master Chief and a fighting DS stylus were all confirmed as playable.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 13, 2007, 11:34:42 AM
Ashley's Manor is an odd choice for a made-up stage, though...
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 13, 2007, 11:44:34 AM
We're still in standby.
Post by: capamerica on December 13, 2007, 11:55:38 AM
There is just nothing earth shattering on the list.
- Capt. Falcon and Luigi return. This was a given.
- Port Town, Makes sence if we get a new F-Zero level. It's one of the major 3 (the other two being Big Blue and Mute City) also its near Capt. Falcon's home.
- Meta-Ridley, We figured Ridley would be in it. And Meta-Ridley offers the easies way to have Ridley scalable since he's pretty much a robot at this point.
- Luigi using Poultergust 3000, I figured this as well since Mario has Fludd.
- Fountain of Dreams. Classic Stage, figured it would be back as well.
Ashley's Manor is the only one that was "out there" but with the fact that they put a lot of effort in her theme by doing it in different languages, I've been having a good feeling she'll be in it.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 13, 2007, 12:00:02 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 13, 2007, 12:19:59 PM
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Maybe, JUST maybe, Sakurai will drop something tonight, since it's out in the magazine anyway.
I doubt he would say anything tonight. Next week maybe but not tonight.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 13, 2007, 12:21:25 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 13, 2007, 12:28:46 PM
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I'm glad Luigi has his vacuum, meaning no more cloning between him and Mario.
1. Luigi is still unconfirmed
2. Luigi can still be a Mario clone. The Portelgust could easily be his down-B attack and be similar to Mario's FLUDD
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 13, 2007, 12:41:47 PM
It was posted by some guy on the SSB forums who claims to know a guy who a lot of other people definitely know and agree that all of the alleged AIM chats are total BS.
At this point, we can safely assume that absolutely no new information had been revealed.
Post by: Shecky on December 13, 2007, 12:44:35 PM
I'm guessing that Luigi is still the Ken of the series... like Mario, but a bit different (vacuum sucks instead of pushing away... fireballs don't drop.... etc)
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 13, 2007, 01:53:13 PM
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I will say this however, just to keep you guys guessing and probably start a few arguments
Providing my sources are accurate (everything they've told me has turned out true so far), there are characters that have not made the transition from Melee to Brawl, and not all of them were clones in Melee
Uh oh...Again...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 13, 2007, 01:54:43 PM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 13, 2007, 02:16:01 PM
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Ganondorf better be in it or I will kill someone!
The director of Twilight Princess confirmed through a magazine interview that he was working on Sheik and Ganondorf's appearance in Brawl. Considering that Brawl is looking like it will feature more bad guy presence it would be stupid of them to ax Ganondorf.
Post by: capamerica on December 13, 2007, 03:04:48 PM
I think Ness and Roy were just updated to the newest version, Just like how Link and Mario are always updated to their newest looks I think thats what happen to both Roy and Ness. Had Mother3 actually come out before Melee Lucas would have been added then. And In Melee Roy represented the newest version of Fire Emblem and now we have Ike.
It's just a theory. But this could be what happens to some of the cast from the original and Melee. I don't know who else this could happen to.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 13, 2007, 05:45:07 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 13, 2007, 05:53:21 PM
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After all the hype for the Corocoro scans, I think tonight's update will probably disappoint...
I've been saying that for a while now.
The magazine problably worked hard to get the info. It would've been mean on Sakurai's part to post the info before the magazine.
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Post by: anubis6789 on December 13, 2007, 06:12:30 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 13, 2007, 06:14:50 PM
Its disappointing that an unique character like Stafy is an assist, but great that Waluigi has been kept away from the roster.
Plus, Waluigi's attack looks cool. I love the fact that they paid tribute to his first appearance by giving him a tennis racket.
Overall good update!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 13, 2007, 06:20:13 PM
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I like this update!
Its disappointing that an unique character like Stafy is an assist, but great that Waluigi has been kept away from the roster.
Plus, Waluigi's attack looks cool. I love the fact that they paid tribute to his first appearance by giving him a tennis racket.
Overall good update!
Wait a second. I WANTED Waluigi as a character, so BOOOOOO.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 13, 2007, 06:28:19 PM
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I like this update!
Its disappointing that an unique character like Stafy is an assist, but great that Waluigi has been kept away from the roster.
Plus, Waluigi's attack looks cool. I love the fact that they paid tribute to his first appearance by giving him a tennis racket.
Overall good update!
Wait a second. I WANTED Waluigi as a character, so BOOOOOO.
Sorry, but half the roster came from the Mario universe.
Luigi should be the last character to join.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 13, 2007, 06:29:14 PM
Post by: nickmitch on December 13, 2007, 06:32:37 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 13, 2007, 08:08:58 PM
However, I did find something interesting...I went back to look at the Fall 2007 video after it was mentioned in the rumour regarding the Ashley stage, and there really does appear to be a stage set in a spooky setting!
You can see a scraggly tree in the bottom right and the moon hidden behind clouds at the top...Of course, I think the best guess is that it's a Luigi's Mansion stage, but who knows? It might just be the Battlefield stage at night! ='D
Post by: Nick DiMola on December 13, 2007, 11:05:30 PM
I was really hoping Stafy would be more than an AT. I also love Waluigi, but he is generic enough that I don't want him playable. Overall, good update.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 13, 2007, 11:56:07 PM
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Its disappointing that an unique character like Stafy is an assist, but great that Waluigi has been kept away from the roster.
Yes. It would be absolutely brilliant for a star from a game that nobody anywhere has ever heard of to be a character, but Waluigi would clearly be a terrible addition!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 14, 2007, 12:00:08 AM
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However, I did find something interesting...I went back to look at the Fall 2007 video after it was mentioned in the rumour regarding the Ashley stage, and there really does appear to be a stage set in a spooky setting!
You can see a scraggly tree in the bottom right and the moon hidden behind clouds at the top...Of course, I think the best guess is that it's a Luigi's Mansion stage, but who knows? It might just be the Battlefield stage at night! ='D
Just to be safe, I'm going to say that its either the battlefield stage set at night or the Luigi's Mansion stage.
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Its disappointing that an unique character like Stafy is an assist, but great that Waluigi has been kept away from the roster.
Yes. It would be absolutely brilliant for a star from a game that nobody anywhere has ever heard of to be a character, but Waluigi would clearly be a terrible addition!
I do admit that even if Stafy is obscure as all hell outside Japan it would've been nice to include new IPs in the SSB series. On the bright side, it does prevent Japan only characters from invading the roster (at least for now).
And like I already said, the roster already has lots of characters hailing from the Mario universe. We don't need anymore, just Luigi and that's it.
Post by: Nick DiMola on December 14, 2007, 01:30:44 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Its disappointing that an unique character like Stafy is an assist, but great that Waluigi has been kept away from the roster.
Yes. It would be absolutely brilliant for a star from a game that nobody anywhere has ever heard of to be a character, but Waluigi would clearly be a terrible addition!
It was obviously a brilliant idea to add Fire Emblem characters that nobody had heard of in SSBM. We are up to how many games in the US now, 4 going on 5? Stafy is an awesome series and a great character. I would've loved to see Stafy as playable because of the reasons listed and because maybe it would make the series more popular in America.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on December 14, 2007, 05:44:00 AM
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The difference being that Fire Emblem characters actually make sense for a fighting game. Whereas a star who's only attack is spinning, doesn't.
Meh, that's a moot point. How about Sonic? His only move is to run fast and spin too. I'd say that it never hurts to get another great series into America, especially one like Stafy that should have been here in the first place, by making him a playable character. At the end of the day it's not that big a deal, but I would've liked to see him playable for various reasons.
Post by: LuigiHann on December 14, 2007, 06:28:12 PM
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The difference being that Fire Emblem characters actually make sense for a fighting game. Whereas a star who's only attack is spinning, doesn't.
I've always felt that one of the coolest things about Smash Bros series is its ability to make characters from a variety of genres work as fighters.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 15, 2007, 11:09:43 AM
If not, then I agree, but if so, they should bring the game over in a way which won't be risky, like WiiWare.
God knows, it's a great way to test the water for a game's potential appeal.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 15, 2007, 11:14:02 AM
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As true as that is, is Stafy a reputable franchise in Japan, one still receiving sequels?
If not, then I agree, but if so, they should bring the game over in a way which won't be risky, like WiiWare.
God knows, it's a great way to test the water for a game's potential appeal.
Yep. If I am not mistaken, there are 4 Stafy games, 3 on the GBA and a recent DS sequel. There was a GB Color prototype made but was turned into the first GBA title.
Wario even joined him in one of the GBA games in a quick cameo.
Post by: LuigiHann on December 15, 2007, 11:40:58 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 15, 2007, 03:16:49 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 15, 2007, 09:10:02 PM
If they put in music from an old and extremely obscure game like X in Brawl, then I'd imagine that a game like Stafy that has had four games and enjoyed moderate success over the last several years is guaranteed at least one song as well.
Post by: Tanookisuit on December 16, 2007, 02:56:08 AM
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Never! Stafy has a unique Engrish feel to it!
Well, here's the thing. I can imagine that in Japan, it's pronounced "Stah-fee," which works well. But as an American, I can't look at the word and not read it as "Stay-fee," which doesn't work at all. I think the spelling "Starfy" would better convey the intended sound.
I also agree with Tanookisuit, a DS rerelease of sorts would be good. They should try to get all the Japan-only stuff in Brawl out in America now, through VC or through GBA-to-DS conversions, etc.
Post by: nickmitch on December 16, 2007, 07:58:40 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on December 16, 2007, 11:32:50 AM
Edit: Actually, I guess that's better than Stafy.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 16, 2007, 06:15:28 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 16, 2007, 06:18:30 PM
First, 2 player co-op in event mode. Some events can be played with a friend. Nice!
Second, they confirmed the return of coin battle mode. I thought the mode was kind of blah in Melee, but hopefully it will be better in Brawl.
Finally, they confirmed 2 player break the targets.
Brawl is definitely a multiplayer title!
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 16, 2007, 06:42:29 PM
Hmm, with an update this good, it makes me wonder if the filler is over. We are only one week away until the 24th which will mark the final month before the Japan release, so it makes sense that the big updates are going to start returning now. Of course I still think Sakurai's saving something Megaton worthy for next week.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 16, 2007, 07:51:40 PM
Post by: IceCold on December 16, 2007, 07:54:09 PM
I'm also wondering whether there will be online coop..
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 16, 2007, 08:10:40 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
For adventure mode. Not for event or target mode.
I'm also wondering whether there will be online coop..
Now that would be cool if it had an online co-op! Anyway I must have been thinking about the adventure mode co-op.
Post by: Ceric on December 17, 2007, 12:54:14 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Tonight's update was excellent!
First, 2 player co-op in event mode. Some events can be played with a friend. Nice!
Second, they confirmed the return of coin battle mode. I thought the mode was kind of blah in Melee, but hopefully it will be better in Brawl.
Finally, they confirmed 2 player break the targets.
Brawl is definitely a multiplayer title!
*shrug* Personally I liked Coin a little better then just straight Smash simply because it was just as hectic but someone wasn't always in your face. Though this is the best update in a while. I'm glad there is a whole different event set for co-op. I'm with GP though I would like it be online co-op. Simply because my wife wouldn't be very interested in playing with me. (Unless there was a co-star mode like Mario Galaxy but I can't see that working.)
Post by: LuigiHann on December 17, 2007, 01:04:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
(Unless there was a co-star mode like Mario Galaxy but I can't see that working.)
Well, the adventure mode co-op is designed so the second player can just tag along and help out, so it's not that dissimilar...
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 17, 2007, 03:11:46 AM
Post by: Tanookisuit on December 17, 2007, 06:22:10 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 17, 2007, 06:26:16 AM
Post by: nickmitch on December 17, 2007, 07:42:29 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 17, 2007, 08:44:31 AM
Post by: Stogi on December 17, 2007, 09:37:05 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 17, 2007, 02:51:40 PM
Not only that, but it looks like the Mario Kart stage is where it takes place!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 17, 2007, 03:04:51 PM
Post by: Stogi on December 17, 2007, 03:12:20 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Why would there be a trophy as the catch for an event? And it's most definitely a lightning bolt... =)
Not only that, but it looks like the Mario Kart stage is where it takes place!
You just answered you own question!
Trophy - Mario Kart stage...........hmmmm
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 17, 2007, 03:40:05 PM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
You just answered you own question!
Trophy - Mario Kart stage...........hmmmm
No...
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Originally posted by: pap64
Just who is that character behind DK?? I'm guessing its part of the scenery, but damn does it look like a character! O.O
Diddy...
Post by: Shecky on December 17, 2007, 04:44:12 PM
Do that with your partner in crime as quick as possible.
Sounds like a fabulous event to me...
Post by: Shecky on December 17, 2007, 06:05:26 PM
Oh wait, I get it now...
Think Brinstar Depths, except this time we have the queen parasite in the background and the stage has a top and bottom which invert during the match. (So the platforms towards the ceiling become the new floor) During the transition your left with a point when there is no ground
Post by: nickmitch on December 17, 2007, 06:07:58 PM
Post by: Shecky on December 17, 2007, 06:10:56 PM
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Originally posted by: TVman
That stages looks pretty neat, but the only thing going for it is the rotating. The music was OK though.
Well, also there are the blackouts and the possibility that the parasite queen may actually attack.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 17, 2007, 06:11:07 PM
Great music too...
Post by: nickmitch on December 17, 2007, 06:20:55 PM
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Originally posted by: SheckyQuote
Originally posted by: TVman
That stages looks pretty neat, but the only thing going for it is the rotating. The music was OK though.
Well, also there are the blackouts and the possibility that the parasite queen may actually attack.
True, but I like the fact that you're getting two basic stages in one. The update didn't say anything about the queen attacking, but it'd add a good bit of flare to the stage.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 17, 2007, 06:27:13 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 17, 2007, 06:54:02 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on December 17, 2007, 08:44:47 PM
Post by: Ceric on December 17, 2007, 11:32:47 PM
Also That got me thing of my Alpha Blog issue in MP2 and how cool a waiter or high gravity stage might be.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 18, 2007, 02:49:12 AM
This also makes me wonder how many stages there will be in Brawl. Melee had around 29 stages total and so far 20 stages have been confirmed to be in Brawl. With the inclusion of classic Melee stages the number could be even bigger than Melee's! O.O
Post by: Stogi on December 18, 2007, 03:04:35 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 18, 2007, 04:06:12 AM
Of course, I wouldn't complain if there were more...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 18, 2007, 05:02:08 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I'll have to say that there will be around 40 stages...It's a good number...
Of course, I wouldn't complain if there were more...
I hope. I wonder how they plan on revealing them though, you can't tell me there is time to have updates on all them in addition to all the characters unless there are 2 or 3 part updates each day.
Post by: PaLaDiN on December 18, 2007, 05:20:15 AM
Post by: Stogi on December 18, 2007, 05:45:05 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I'll have to say that there will be around 40 stages...It's a good number...
Of course, I wouldn't complain if there were more...
I hope. I wonder how they plan on revealing them though, you can't tell me there is time to have updates on all them in addition to all the characters unless there are 2 or 3 part updates each day.
I'd rather a good amount be kept secret. Same with the characters.
Post by: nickmitch on December 18, 2007, 07:20:30 AM
Post by: Stogi on December 18, 2007, 07:56:23 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 18, 2007, 08:39:13 AM
Mario - 4
Donkey Kong - 2
Zelda - 2
Kirby - 2
Yoshi - 2
Star Fox - 2
Metroid - 2
Mother - 2
F-Zero - 2
Pokemon - 2
Ice Climbers - 1
Game and Watch - 1
Smash Bros - 2
Classic Stages - 3
So that's already 29 stages guaranteed for the game, now lets add all the new stages to the new series we know about so far.
Wario - 1
Kid Icarus - 1
Animal Crossing - 1
Fire Emblem - 1
Metal Gear - 1
Sonic - 1
Nintendo DS - 1
Icon number 19 series we don't know about yet - 1
So when we add that together that's 37 stages we know will be in the game total. But know this is when things start going even higher. Since Mario had 4 stages in Melee, who's to say that the other popular series like Zelda, Pokemon and Kirby wont have at least one more stage then they did in Melee? And then who's to say that Wario, Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem wont be given a second stage in this game. If Mother and F-Zero have two stages then there's no reason why those three series can't as well.
Then the big one is how many classic stages will be in this game. It's pretty obvious that it'll be more then 3. I'd imagine at the very least we're looking at around 12 classic stages which is 9 more then Melee had.
Adding all those different factors together shows that Brawl having around 50 stages is very likely.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 18, 2007, 08:46:22 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 18, 2007, 08:49:40 AM
I really, REALLY, REALLY hope this isn't a precursor to that fat piece of sh*t Pokey/Porky being a playable character.
Seriously, if they give the spot to him when there are other much better Mother characters to choose from, I may put that box of fire ants in the mail for REAL.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 18, 2007, 08:58:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I've played through a few Metroid games but I never remember any rotating of the stage in those games but, we have 2 out of the 3 levels that have appeared in Smash for the series featuring some type of full field rotation. What area did I miss?
Also That got me thing of my Alpha Blog issue in MP2 and how cool a waiter or high gravity stage might be.
During the escape from the Ceres Space Colony at the beginning of Super Metroid, the vertical corridor you're ascending lists to one side. That's all I can think of.
Post by: LuigiHann on December 18, 2007, 08:59:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Good update with the level, but the music?
Seriously, if they give the spot to him when there are other much better Mother characters to choose from, I may put that box of fire ants in the mail for REAL.
I doubt it has anything to do with the character. They just chose music that matched the level. Probably.
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 18, 2007, 09:13:33 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I do think it's just as likely that some franchise stages are dumped to make way for the newer franchise representatives...For example, I could see F-Zero only having one stage and the Game & Watch stage being trashed altogether...I'm hoping that's not the case, but it'd be way too optimistic to not at least consider the possibility...
But the thing to remember is Brawl has had a much longer development time then Melee did and has been easier to develop for since it's based on Melee's engine. Plust there's more people working on Brawl then there was on Melee, which also helps the team create more stages at a quicker and easier rate then they could with Melee.
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Good update with the level, but the music?
I really, REALLY, REALLY hope this isn't a precursor to that fat piece of sh*t Pokey/Porky being a playable character.
Seriously, if they give the spot to him when there are other much better Mother characters to choose from, I may put that box of fire ants in the mail for REAL.
I'd imagine Porky is more likely to be a boss in the Subspace Emissary then a playable character. If they were to choose a villain from the Mother series then Claus as the Masked Man would be a much more likely candidate. Especially since he was on Sakurai's most popular character list with Lucas.
Post by: LuigiHann on December 18, 2007, 09:28:23 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 18, 2007, 10:26:08 AM
So I hope we see:
Bowser specific Stage
Mario specific Stage
Wario specific Stage
Ike specific Stage
ect.
After that it looks like they will have several stages that are unique stages, for special series. Like the Mario Kart Stage, and then of course the Picto-Chat Stage.
If each character had at least one stage then we are looking at a huge number of stages, specially when you realize there will probably be like 5 or 6 classic stages in the game as well.
I still want a Bowser Castle Level more than anything.
Post by: nickmitch on December 18, 2007, 12:06:16 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 18, 2007, 01:58:58 PM
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Originally posted by: TVman
I don't think that Wario will get another stage. If there's a Wario Ware character (which is probable) then there might be one more relating to his platforming days.
If there's another Wario stage it will be from the Wario Land series. The WarioWare stage already represents that part of Wario perfectly. The Wario Land series was very popular back in the 90's and is what really made Wario. There's also the fact that Wario has his signature shoulder charge as one of his moves shows that Sakurai hasn't forgotten about the Wario Land series either.
Since the Wario Land series is a huge part of Wario, I'd be very shocked if there isn't a stage for it. If Ness and Captain Falcon who are from series way less popular then Wario got two stages in Melee, then Wario has a good chance of having two stages in Brawl.
If there isn't a Wario Land stage then it means Sakurai hates Wario and his fans. And if that's the case then I think I might have to help Pap64 and Smash Brother gather up some fire ants.
>_>
<_<
Post by: nickmitch on December 18, 2007, 02:51:01 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 18, 2007, 03:02:33 PM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude]If there isn't a Wario Land stage then it means Sakurai hates Wario and his fans. And if that's the case then I think I might have to help Pap64 and Smash Brother gather up some fire ants.
>_>
<_<
I too would love a classic Wario stage. This song should totally be the stage's theme song.
Same with Bowser's stage. Since there seems to be more representation of Nintendo's evil side in Brawl it makes sense to make a stage for Bowser.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 18, 2007, 06:13:14 PM
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 18, 2007, 07:22:09 PM
Post by: Shecky on December 19, 2007, 12:44:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
A health item that actually requires a little strategy to get use out of it...
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[I like it]
Same here, but the question that immediately comes to mind...
Can you throw it to yourself?
(ie: Throw it up then jump into it)
Post by: LuigiHann on December 19, 2007, 12:49:52 AM
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Originally posted by: SheckyQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
A health item that actually requires a little strategy to get use out of it...
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[I like it]
Same here, but the question that immediately comes to mind...
Can you throw it to yourself?
(ie: Throw it up then jump into it)
Pretty sure you can't.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 19, 2007, 02:08:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Shecky
Can you throw it to yourself?
(ie: Throw it up then jump into it)
I deem thee "not a team player"... >=|
Post by: LuigiHann on December 19, 2007, 02:15:31 AM
I just looked over the list, and I guess it's about half-and-half. I still wonder why the banana peel wasn't MarioKart-themed.
Post by: nickmitch on December 19, 2007, 06:01:39 AM
Post by: Ceric on December 19, 2007, 08:39:38 AM
[number]
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Post by: Mikintosh on December 19, 2007, 08:49:04 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I don't like it. For Three reasons:
[number]- You can Heal an enemy
- Miss your teamate
- It doesn't restore the whole team
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1. Don't miss.
2. Don't miss.
3. Get your own recovery item.
Post by: anubis6789 on December 19, 2007, 08:56:01 AM
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Originally posted by: MikintoshQuote
Originally posted by: Ceric
I don't like it. For Three reasons:
[number]- You can Heal an enemy
- Miss your teamate
- It doesn't restore the whole team
[/number]
1. Don't miss.
2. Don't miss.
3. Get your own recovery item.
3.Have your team mate catch the Team Healer and toss it back at you.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 19, 2007, 08:56:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I don't like it. For Three reasons:
[number]- You can Heal an enemy
- Miss your teamate
- It doesn't restore the whole team
[/number]
Yeah, um, those are positives for me...We don't need any more zero-risk health items...
Post by: Shecky on December 19, 2007, 12:14:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: Shecky
Can you throw it to yourself?
(ie: Throw it up then jump into it)
I deem thee "not a team player"... >=|
I'm a bit devious yes.... but I bet it's possible (to heal yourself). That would take a little skill to pull off too if you had to toss it up and intercept it, not to mention one of your enemies could snipe it out of the air. What would be cheap is if you could just 'spike' it into the ground and heal yourself, but I also see that as being possible.
On a side note, I wonder if they made catching items any easier (as they seem to have done to the tether recovery for example)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 19, 2007, 06:10:31 PM
They didn't go into detail of all of Kirby's moves, though, just his inhale attack. They also showed the costumes and hats he dons after sucking an opponent.
Solid Kirby = teh pure win!
Post by: nickmitch on December 19, 2007, 06:17:41 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 19, 2007, 06:27:59 PM
And oh God...Snake 'stache is too over-the-top...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 19, 2007, 06:30:37 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Kirby's new fox ears...They are just too cute! >_<
And oh God...Snake 'stache is too over-the-top...
Frankly, I didn't expect them to go all the way. Its just too awesome for words...
Post by: Robageejammin on December 20, 2007, 12:30:49 AM
And another little tidbit, now we know Dedede's B move is inhale. Guessing for pure damage or throwing.
Post by: Ceric on December 20, 2007, 01:01:42 AM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789Quote
Originally posted by: MikintoshQuote
Originally posted by: Ceric
I don't like it. For Three reasons:
- You can Heal an enemy
- Miss your teamate
- It doesn't restore the whole team
1. Don't miss.
2. Don't miss.
3. Get your own recovery item.
3.Have your team mate catch the Team Healer and toss it back at you.
This is just a throwable heal item at this point no team about it. The item should be called "Other Healer" meaning you can healer others but not yourself. The "Team" portion is a misnomer. A team healing item should either:
A) Only heal teamates (Throw the item if it hits a teammate it heals, and if it hits an enemy its just like throwing any other object at them)
B) Pick it up and heals everyone on your team
This is an incorrectly named item.
On todays update: Who is the Nintendo hat character?
Post by: GeneralTraag on December 20, 2007, 01:14:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
On todays update: Who is the Nintendo hat character?
That would be Diddy Kong.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 20, 2007, 01:20:39 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
This is just a throwable heal item at this point no team about it. The item should be called "Other Healer" meaning you can healer others but not yourself. The "Team" portion is a misnomer. A team healing item should either:
A) Only heal teamates (Throw the item if it hits a teammate it heals, and if it hits an enemy its just like throwing any other object at them)
B) Pick it up and heals everyone on your team
This is an incorrectly named item.
It heals characters on your team or the other team, so it makes perfect sense...
I don't see why they need to describe it can help the other team in the item...Would you call it the "Team Helper But Sometimes It Will Heal the Other Team if You Aren't Careful"? Seriously...
Post by: Shecky on December 20, 2007, 02:59:11 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: Shecky
Can you throw it to yourself?
(ie: Throw it up then jump into it)
I deem thee "not a team player"... >=|
Also, what if I am a team of one?? As in a 3 on 1? or 2 on 1?
I'm now entirely convinced that I'll be able to heal myself with this thing by throwing it to myself (either off a wall or straight up).
Post by: Tanookisuit on December 20, 2007, 03:11:45 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on December 20, 2007, 03:14:59 AM
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I'm now entirely convinced that I'll be able to heal myself with this thing by throwing it to myself
Sakurai seems to disagree.
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And the Team Healer has absolutely no function if you’re on your own.
That seems more or less unambiguous. But I guess we'll see.
Post by: Shecky on December 20, 2007, 04:28:05 AM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHannQuote
I'm now entirely convinced that I'll be able to heal myself with this thing by throwing it to myself
Sakurai seems to disagree.Quote
And the Team Healer has absolutely no function if you’re on your own.
That seems more or less unambiguous. But I guess we'll see.
Well we'll see... I missed that quote. I only saw "This item has absolutely no relevance for those who normally just play free-for-all brawls," which I simply implied to mean that this item would never show up in that mode. However the above is interesting.
If you can't heal yourself then it'll be my mission to toss these off the edge in any match with Bill in it
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 20, 2007, 04:41:33 AM
Post by: Ceric on December 20, 2007, 07:54:32 AM
4: a number of persons associated together in work or activity: as a: a group on one side (as in football or a debate) b: crew, gang
I just think justifying the name as being anything but a poor choice for the item is sort of a stretch. I wander what the Japanese Name is.
Post by: LuigiHann on December 20, 2007, 08:13:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Team
4: a number of persons associated together in work or activity: as a: a group on one side (as in football or a debate) b: crew, gang
I just think justifying the name as being anything but a poor choice for the item is sort of a stretch. I wander what the Japanese Name is.
Altavista translates ??????? as: "The ? which is team recovery." Clearly not a flawless translation, but the word "team" is right there. I'm having trouble understanding what your problem with the name is. It's an item used for healing a teammate, ergo, a team healer. Sure it's not the most unambiguous name, as "team healer" could also be interpreted as something that heals the whole team, but calling it a "poor choice" is sort of a stretch. My guess is that the main reason it's called a "team healer" is that it'll only show up at all during team battles.
Post by: Ceric on December 20, 2007, 08:23:00 AM
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 20, 2007, 03:50:16 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 20, 2007, 04:30:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
Well now we know that Snake's B move is a grenade.
We knew about it already...
Post by: LuigiHann on December 20, 2007, 05:25:16 PM
Post by: nickmitch on December 20, 2007, 06:07:22 PM
Not much new stuff there, but still pretty good.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 20, 2007, 06:10:40 PM
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Originally posted by: TVman
New Trailer!
Not much new stuff there, but still pretty good.
At least its WAY better than the recent updates.
Overall, even without a character reveal it was a solid week of updates.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 20, 2007, 06:10:57 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 20, 2007, 06:12:52 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 20, 2007, 06:24:21 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
I'm beginning to think more and more the game will be delayed, there is still too much to be shown as it is without there being filler movies.
So wait, you are saying that the game will be delayed because Sakurai is not done talking about it on his blog?
I honestly doubt the game will be delayed a second time. It is Nintendo's post Holiday killer app. They could afford to delay it the first time because it had Galaxy, Wii Fit and many solid third party games. If they delay it again they will have nothing for winter and spring.
In all honesty, as long as its for working further on the game I am fine with it but I just don't see Nintendo delaying the game again.
Post by: nickmitch on December 20, 2007, 06:26:08 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 20, 2007, 06:29:34 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
I'm beginning to think more and more the game will be delayed, there is still too much to be shown as it is without there being filler movies.
So wait, you are saying that the game will be delayed because Sakurai is not done talking about it on his blog?
I honestly doubt the game will be delayed a second time. It is Nintendo's post Holiday killer app. They could afford to delay it the first time because it had Galaxy, Wii Fit and many solid third party games. If they delay it again they will have nothing for winter and spring.
In all honesty, as long as its for working further on the game I am fine with it but I just don't see Nintendo delaying the game again.
I'm saying I have a feeling it is going to get delayed because Sakurai is putting filler videos up instead of the myriad of character moves, arenas, items, assist trophies, and characters. I would think if he did stuff like special moves and move sets alone it could take us close to the supposed launch unless it is delayed, which could explain why he is putting up "filler" videos instead of something important.
Post by: Stogi on December 20, 2007, 06:35:17 PM
Sonic Kirby = big boots, funny hair?!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 20, 2007, 06:38:24 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
I'm beginning to think more and more the game will be delayed, there is still too much to be shown as it is without there being filler movies.
So wait, you are saying that the game will be delayed because Sakurai is not done talking about it on his blog?
I honestly doubt the game will be delayed a second time. It is Nintendo's post Holiday killer app. They could afford to delay it the first time because it had Galaxy, Wii Fit and many solid third party games. If they delay it again they will have nothing for winter and spring.
In all honesty, as long as its for working further on the game I am fine with it but I just don't see Nintendo delaying the game again.
I'm saying I have a feeling it is going to get delayed because Sakurai is putting filler videos up instead of the myriad of character moves, arenas, items, assist trophies, and characters. I would think if he did stuff like special moves and move sets alone it could take us close to the supposed launch unless it is delayed, which could explain why he is putting up "filler" videos instead of something important.
Uuuuhhh...I'm sorry, but I'm not buying that logic.
I'm betting anything that the reason Sakurai is focusing on filler updates is because he is waiting for the game's launch in order to drop megaton bombs like it was WW III. That or simply put he just wants to keep everything a secret for surprise's sake.
Not saying that a delay isn't possible, but considering the game is nearly done and there's nothing in Winter and Spring I doubt they would delay it yet again.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 20, 2007, 06:58:55 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 20, 2007, 08:19:38 PM
Post by: Plugabugz on December 20, 2007, 09:42:49 PM
And we have Zack & Wiki, BWii and Medal of Honour in January and February.
Post by: Ceric on December 21, 2007, 01:18:59 AM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
Solid Kirby = hilarious!
Sonic Kirby = big boots, funny hair, Cheese Metal, and Angst?!
Actually Shadow took a lot of Sonic's angst
Post by: Stogi on December 21, 2007, 02:35:39 AM
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I CAN"T WAIT ANY LONGER
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 21, 2007, 06:49:51 AM
And in terms of a Megaton, I'd imagine we might get one this Monday or Tuesday. The fact that Christmas is celebrated in every country that's represented on Brawls website, makes it likely that he'll reveal something big as a Christmas present to the world. Plus next week marks the one month period before the Japanese release which makes something big likely as well.
Unlike America, in Japan Nintendo usually start hyping there games up at the one month period and every week they reveal more and more. Which means we will start seeing the rest of the starting lineup soon since Nintendo's commercials in Japan usually start around the 2-3 week time period before launch. And since the biggest selling point to a game like Smash Bros is it's playable characters, they will show all the starters in the commercials since that's what's going to create the most hype.
Here's what Melee's Japanese commercials were like. Chances are Brawls will be similar which means all starters should be shown in them as well.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 22, 2007, 08:05:34 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
I'm beginning to think more and more the game will be delayed, there is still too much to be shown as it is without there being filler movies.
I think it'll be delayed for two reasons:
1. Nintendo lacks "that" Xmas app for 2008.
2. What's the hurry? Wiis still aren't staying in stock and by the end of 2008, there will probably be another 7-10 million Wii owners who might buy SSBB at launch.
3rd parties have plenty of room to pick up the slack, so why should Nintendo worry? They delayed TP until the Wii's launch because they wanted that killer app for Wii. I don't see why they wouldn't delay SSBB for the killer app of Xmas 2008.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 22, 2007, 08:21:55 AM
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I'm beginning to think more and more the game will be delayed, there is still too much to be shown as it is without there being filler movies.
I think it'll be delayed for two reasons:
1. Nintendo lacks "that" Xmas app for 2008.
2. What's the hurry? Wiis still aren't staying in stock and by the end of 2008, there will probably be another 7-10 million Wii owners who might buy SSBB at launch.
3rd parties have plenty of room to pick up the slack, so why should Nintendo worry? They delayed TP until the Wii's launch because they wanted that killer app for Wii. I don't see why they wouldn't delay SSBB for the killer app of Xmas 2008.
If they delay the game, I see them delaying it till late spring/early summer. They could delay it even further but again, unless they are adding something big to it (or online is being a bitch to balance) I doubt they would delay it for long.
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 22, 2007, 08:37:57 AM
So unless a delay is announced this week then that means the Japanese version is done and will be hitting stores in Japan on January 24th.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 22, 2007, 08:45:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
The thing you all have to remember is the game is only ONE MONTH away from it's Japanese release. If it was going to be delayed it would have been done by now. Since Nintendo usually finishes there games up about one month before release, the Japanese version of Brawl should be 100% complete either next week or might have already been finished up this week.
So unless a delay is announced this week then that means the Japanese version is done and will be hitting stores in Japan on January 24th.
Which is why the idea of another delay RIGHT NOW sounds silly, IMHO.
Also, Nintendo, as well as third parties, could be working on a lot of games right now, one of them being able to fill up that empty "Christmas Killer APP" spot.
Post by: nickmitch on December 22, 2007, 08:54:41 AM
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Post by: IceCold on December 22, 2007, 07:29:40 PM
QuoteI dunno, I think you're underestimating Mario Kart. It sold more than 6 million on the Cube, behind only Smash (or maybe even more than Smash), and in front of Sunshine by a bit. It certainly has more selling power than any of the others you've listed except Animal Crossing in Japan.
Mario Kart is a big deal, but not big enough to carry a holiday season. I think Disaster: Day of Crisis is a possibility, as is the Kirby platformer that started as a Cube title but is assumed to have been reworked for the Wii, Animal Crossing is there, and, just because I really want it to be, Pikmin 3 is a possibility.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 22, 2007, 07:39:13 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 23, 2007, 06:07:30 PM
Damn, to bad Wario is the only character that will have an alternate costume according to the site.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 23, 2007, 06:14:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
F*cking Sweet, Classic Wario is in the game everyone.
Looks like Brawl will have alternate costumes after all.
Its quite neat, although I hope the other characters get similar treatment. Dr.Mario is SO an alternate costume for Mario...
Post by: nickmitch on December 23, 2007, 06:14:05 PM
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Everyone can change colors, of course. But Wario alone is special...
Post by: Caterkiller on December 23, 2007, 06:15:22 PM
I havn't read it in english yet, but hopefuly Wario isn't the only one with a costume change.
Post by: nickmitch on December 23, 2007, 06:19:49 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 23, 2007, 06:22:38 PM
Oh well, at least Classic Wario makes the update good since Classic Wario is the design that deserved to be used in the first place. Plus this also increases the chance of there being a Wario Land stage since Classic Wario is being represented.
Post by: Caterkiller on December 23, 2007, 06:22:40 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on December 23, 2007, 06:24:38 PM
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Yahoo! Man is that a relief! Nothing against his new clothes but his classic look is so much more appealing to me.
I havn't read it in english yet, but hopefuly Wario isn't the only one with a costume change.
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Everyone can change colors, of course. But Wario alone is special...
But I actually feel that this may mean that Wario alone is special... from the start, meaning that you unlock the rest.
I actually think that this is what became of Ness and this may be how you start out as ZSS (and Sheik if he/she is still part of Zelda, if in the game as playable to begin with). Lets not forget that Melee also had a minor alternate costume for the Ice Climbers in which the last two colors had Nana as the leader (go try it, you will notice that the faces swap in the selection box on the character select screen), so if the alternate IC costume is still in then that staement is a lie at worst and misrepresentation at best.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on December 23, 2007, 06:51:02 PM
Time is running out for Sakurai...
Post by: Arbok on December 23, 2007, 07:20:53 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
As of now, there are 23 update days until Brawl's release in Japan, and still 12 vet characters unrevealed (assuming no one has been axed). That means that literally half of the updates of this month need to be vet character reveals if they're still in the game and not locked, for some idiotic reason.
Time is running out for Sakurai...
Captain Falcon is really the only one left who I expect might be shown at this point from the vet side. Luigi and Jigglypuff were both secret characters in the 64 game and Melee... so I imagine there will be a number of previously locked characters who stay that way and we don't hear about them until release.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on December 23, 2007, 07:43:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
Captain Falcon is really the only one left who I expect might be shown at this point from the vet side. Luigi and Jigglypuff were both secret characters in the 64 game and Melee... so I imagine there will be a number of previously locked characters who stay that way and we don't hear about them until release.
Plus we still have no idea who's been cut. Now we can safely say that Pichu, Dr. Mario and Roy are all gone but everyone else except Captain Falcon, Luigi, Jigglypuff, Ganondorf and Mr. Game and Watch (because of the character icon numbers) is left up in the air at this point.
Post by: JonLeung on December 24, 2007, 01:47:11 AM
I mean, Wario's two outfits are considerably different, whereas for Samus, it'd just be a matter of changing the shoulder pads from the Varia/Gravity/Phazon Suit to create the original Power Suit. The PED Suit isn't much different, though it does have that distinctive Federation symbol. And you'd think they could grab the models of the Fusion/Light/Dark Suits from the Prime games and upgrade them slightly and use those. But at least the PED and Power Suits, come on!
How about a slightly redesigned Fox (I hear people don't like the Command look).
So much for having Fierce Deity Link Vs. Overloading Phazon PED Samus!
And I'd always hoped for an 8-bit/16-bit 2D sprite look. Maybe there could be an oldschool stage that does it for everyone (kind of like how Flat Zone in Melee made everyone flat, though that wasn't always noticeable...they should've become monotone in colour, too).
Post by: stevey on December 24, 2007, 04:02:28 AM
I think they just meant that only Wario has this costume which make sense.
so hyped for tomorrow update, no way it not going to be a New Character MALON!
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 24, 2007, 07:10:37 AM
There's literally a strong enough argument on both sides that it was probably necessary to give him both costumes.
Besides, most characters do have unique costume changes already, like Dark Link, Dark Fox and Ike's Sigurd colors.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 24, 2007, 07:14:26 AM
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"Damn, to bad Wario is the only character that will have an alternate costume according to the site. "
I think they just meant that only Wario has this costume which make sense.
so hyped for tomorrow update, no way it not going to be a New Character MALON!
I said it once and I'll say it again; DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING SPECIAL TOMORROW.
I hate to be an ass about it but the way I see it Sakurai updates about whatever whenever he wants. He doesn't abide to special events and holidays. If he has something big, he'll post something big. If he doesn't, he'll post something to fill the spot.
I doubt that just because its Christmas tomorrow he'll go all out. In fact, I'll be surprised if he does.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 24, 2007, 07:50:39 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 24, 2007, 07:53:44 AM
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I expect nothing tomorrow.
And everyone else should do the same. Just forget about it, have fun with the family and move on.
Post by: Darkheart on December 24, 2007, 08:28:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I expect nothing tomorrow.
And everyone else should do the same. Just forget about it, have fun with the family and move on.
Do you wear a black suit and carry a pen sized device that shines a bright red light by chance?
Post by: Gylldas on December 24, 2007, 09:15:55 AM
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F-flab is poking out from his sides.
Oh Sakurai, you never cease to make me giggle...
I'm not keeping my hopes up for tomorrow. Maybe It will be a new stage with a small Christmas tree in it. (Referring to Halloween update)
Post by: LuigiHann on December 24, 2007, 09:26:42 AM
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Originally posted by: Gylldas
I'm not keeping my hopes up for tomorrow. Maybe It will be a new stage with a small Christmas tree in it. (Referring to Halloween update)
It wouldn't have to be a new level...
Post by: Gylldas on December 24, 2007, 09:59:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Gylldas
I'm not keeping my hopes up for tomorrow. Maybe It will be a new stage with a small Christmas tree in it. (Referring to Halloween update)
It wouldn't have to be a new level...
Zing!! I never noticed that before!!
Tomorrow's update CONFIRMED!!! Something to do with New Pork City.
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 24, 2007, 10:08:33 AM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHannQuote
Originally posted by: Gylldas
I'm not keeping my hopes up for tomorrow. Maybe It will be a new stage with a small Christmas tree in it. (Referring to Halloween update)
It wouldn't have to be a new level...
Zing!! I never noticed that before!!
Tomorrow's update CONFIRMED!!! Something to do with New Pork City.
Newcomer: Porkey
It'll be Sakurai's way of saying Merry Christmas to Smash Brother.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 24, 2007, 11:42:35 AM
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Originally posted by: GylldasQuote
Originally posted by: LuigiHannQuote
Originally posted by: Gylldas
I'm not keeping my hopes up for tomorrow. Maybe It will be a new stage with a small Christmas tree in it. (Referring to Halloween update)
It wouldn't have to be a new level...
Zing!! I never noticed that before!!
Tomorrow's update CONFIRMED!!! Something to do with New Pork City.
Newcomer: Porkey
It'll be Sakurai's way of saying Merry Christmas to Smash Brother.
That would guarantee the package of fire ants gets upgraded to a box containing a flesh eating virus
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Post by: Luigi Dude on December 24, 2007, 06:10:31 PM
Of course the music still made it a great updates, that was one sweet remix of Angel Island Zone.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 24, 2007, 06:12:02 PM
And his final smash which we all already knew about.
And if Sakurai updates with Porkey, the scariest thing in the whole world is going to jump out of that box when he opens it...ME!
Post by: Sarail on December 24, 2007, 06:13:28 PM
Final Smash updates have gotten so "bleh" for me as of late. I enjoy regular item updates more than those now. :P
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 24, 2007, 06:19:14 PM
"But its Christmas!", they said. "Sakurai will go all out!" they kept believing...
Now maybe they will listen to me when I say not to expect any special updates during holidays or special dates.
Post by: Robageejammin on December 24, 2007, 06:25:06 PM
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Post by: Caterkiller on December 24, 2007, 06:37:31 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 24, 2007, 06:48:59 PM
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Yeah Knuckles will be in the game, but only as an assist trophy and a sticker. Maybe climbing a wall in the back ground.
Actually, what he will do is show up, look around and say; "Where am I? I'M CONFUSED, AAAGGGGH!!" and beat the crap out of the nearest opponent.
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 24, 2007, 07:03:23 PM
Anyone else find it funny how it's Nintendo that's gotten him to come back to do Sonic music, while Sega hasn't used him in the recent Sonic games and as a result the music has gotten worse for that series. Shows that Nintendo knows how to handle Sonic better then Sega does.
Can't wait to hear what the remixes of other Sonic songs will song like. Oh god, please let this game contain the Japanese version of Palmtree Panic Present and the Japanese version of Quartz Quadrant Present from Sonic CD. I would become Sakurai love slave forever if those songs get in the game.
Post by: Chasefox on December 24, 2007, 07:13:02 PM
Post by: Caterkiller on December 24, 2007, 07:33:05 PM
And Luigi Dude, you are on the money! Hopefuly this is a slow start in what will be Nintendo's take over of Sonic!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 24, 2007, 07:33:19 PM
Post by: Shecky on December 25, 2007, 12:56:44 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Caterkiller
Yeah Knuckles will be in the game, but only as an assist trophy and a sticker. Maybe climbing a wall in the back ground.
Actually, what he will do is show up, look around and say; "Where am I? I'M CONFUSED, AAAGGGGH!!" and beat the crap out of the nearest opponent.
That would fit his character perfectly. He should even beat the caller up if he was in range
Meanwhile, Tails as an assist trophy could announce, "Hey, I can help!", and proceed to grab the nearest opponent and fly off with them (to their death). Players could try and break free, but depending on how far the edge is your chances might not be too good. Even better, if you do break free there's a chance for him to regrab you before you touch ground, while shouting out something else insanely aggravating and annoying :p
Post by: stevey on December 25, 2007, 01:39:40 AM
The only way it could possible get better if Angel Island the level side scrolled through all the level of sonic 3. It could happen....I'm think Tail and Knuckle both would be great as characters, sonic need someone to fight against form his games. Metal sonic/Shadow/Amy would be ok too (even though they better fit for costumes of sonic), just use anyone else Sakurai and I will hunt you down!
Post by: Ceric on December 25, 2007, 03:21:40 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 25, 2007, 05:14:49 AM
But I suspect we'll see both Knuckles and Tails as ATs.
Post by: nickmitch on December 25, 2007, 06:29:22 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 25, 2007, 02:38:15 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 25, 2007, 04:00:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I missed a great music update, which is surprising considering it's probably one of my least favorite classic Sonic tracks (not really saying much, but still...)
This is why I loved the update so much. The original version of Angel Island is one of my least favorite Sonic tunes as well, but I feel that the Brawl remix improves the song a lot. The only thing I worry about now though is if we'll have anymore songs from Sonic 3 in the game. My favorite songs in that game were Hydrocity Zone, Flying Battery Zone, and Lava Reef Zone and so I hope at least one of these three is able to make it in the game as well.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 25, 2007, 06:07:11 PM
During adventure mode, you'll find an item called "trophy stand". What it does is capture an enemy and turns it into a trophy. Its basically the same concept as Pokemon; battle an enemy, make sure its weak, catch it and its part of your collection.
Not an useful update and frankly, I doubt people outside Smash fanatics will go through all that trouble just to get trophies.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 25, 2007, 06:09:01 PM
Post by: nickmitch on December 25, 2007, 06:12:22 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on December 25, 2007, 06:12:39 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 25, 2007, 06:12:46 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 25, 2007, 06:12:59 PM
Basically, they've managed to inject even MORE Pokeman into this game with a "trophy" system which is near identical to Pokeman capture methods.
Sigh...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 25, 2007, 06:15:49 PM
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Is this the beginning of good updates?
It IS better than most of the filler updates, but not that great either.
Post by: nickmitch on December 25, 2007, 06:19:33 PM
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Originally posted by: TVman
Is this the beginning of good updates?
It IS better than most of the filler updates, but not that great either.
I guess we'll find out in the on coming days.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 25, 2007, 06:22:59 PM
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Post by: Ceric on December 26, 2007, 01:13:31 AM
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Post by: JonLeung on December 26, 2007, 03:26:09 AM
It's a nice touch. It's cool to integrate gameplay mechanics from the represented games. Kind of like how All-Star mode in Melee was very much like Kirby: Super Star's Arena. Okay, maybe that's a bit different, since that's really basic. But still.
We'll see if Pokémon-like catching in a platforming environment is easier or harder! Now you may actually have to aim. Though my guess is that they won't "burst free" from their stands as often (if at all) like many rare Pokémon do in their own games.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 26, 2007, 05:16:53 AM
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I find it hilarious how people still hold a grudge against Pokemon as a franchise after 10 long years.
S_B doesn't have a grudge against Pokemon. He never played any Pokemon game till Ruby and Sapphire and he spent hundreds of hours playing it. He did pass on Diamond and Pearl but that was because he avoids games that have extremely similar gameplay.
He is simply saying that its going to take a bigger update to impress him and that while the trophy stand update is nice its not what he's looking for.
He isn't a fan of trophies either so he will NOT spend time getting them.
Post by: Robageejammin on December 26, 2007, 06:22:09 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 26, 2007, 06:29:35 AM
While the SSE mode will no doubt be an enjoyable and welcome addition, I'm not going to be playing the SSE mode for the next 5-6 years straight. I will not be collecting trophies for 5-6 years straight. No one will (unless you're really terrible at it, I guess).
So it's like this: I can't get terribly excited over something which I'll likely spend a month playing, tops, when I know there are updates which will be relevant for a whole 5-6 years.
A character reveal is obviously the best, but to a lesser extent, we have ATs, stages and items, all of which we will be playing as/with for the next 5-6 years, hence why I was pissed that we got a musical sample from Sonic but not his level (I'm morbidly curious to see the Sonic level).
It's like David Copperfield comes out on stage and starts doing card tricks and pulling quarters from behind people's ears when you know he's going to make a tiger disappear later in the show. I realize Sakurai is stalling for time, but I'm not going to pop a SSBoner over sleight of hand.
Post by: Stogi on December 26, 2007, 06:53:01 AM
You took it too far. It's cool that you don't care about, but to other people (like myself) I think it's pretty damn cool.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 26, 2007, 06:58:13 AM
You could quite clearly see in one of the videos as a character picked up the trophy stand, threw it into a Goomba or a Koopa (can't remember) and it became a trophy.
Are we so desperate that we get excited about stuff from the E4All videos months later?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 26, 2007, 07:01:14 AM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
Who said that this update is the end all be all?
You took it too far. It's cool that you don't care about, but to other people (like myself) I think it's pretty damn cool.
I understand that not all updates have to be mega spectacular, but like I said already if we didn't think it was all that great, fine. If people liked it, fine.
But I will not waste time arguing semantics. Some liked the update, others didn't.
Post by: nickmitch on December 26, 2007, 07:04:37 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 26, 2007, 07:06:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Are we so desperate that we get excited about stuff from the E4All videos months later?
It probably would have been nice if you had brought it up, because I do not recall any discussion on that at all... =)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 26, 2007, 07:12:09 AM
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Are we so desperate that we get excited about stuff from the E4All videos months later?
It probably would have been nice if you had brought it up, because I do not recall any discussion on that at all... =)
Here's what S_B is talking about.
Watch this video. At 1:30, DK gets a trophy stand, throws it and turns a paratroopa into a trophy.
Looks like no one realized this had already been confirmed till it was brought up.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 26, 2007, 07:22:19 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 26, 2007, 07:33:58 AM
And out of these people that get an early copy, there's bound to be one person who'll leak the character list. It happened with Melee, it'll happen with Brawl. With Brawl generating way more hype then Melee did, the reward for posting it's character list is much greater. And all it will take is one leak to break the dam.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 26, 2007, 07:55:33 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion It probably would have been nice if you had brought it up, because I do not recall any discussion on that at all... =)
Damn, I should have been predicting that in the update thread the whole time...
I guess I just saw it and didn't think much of it. I think I saw it in a different video, but in Pap's, around 1:35, DK quite clearly throws a trophy stand up at a red koopa he knocked upwards and a red koopa trophy comes down.
Since trophies are about as useful as a pecker on a pope in my mind, I didn't think twice about it, though I'm surprised no one else noticed it.
Post by: nickmitch on December 26, 2007, 08:54:57 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 26, 2007, 09:08:35 AM
Post by: JonLeung on December 26, 2007, 04:20:41 PM
Though you're right, some Smash fanatic who would analyze this frame-by-frame ought to have mentioned it before - I don't remember any discussion of that either.
If it happened in an official video, or at least some direct-feed one, it would have been more likely to have been spotted. I hate it when off-screen shaky-cam is the only choice. >_<
Post by: Stogi on December 26, 2007, 04:31:47 PM
YOU CAN"T BE MAD AT ME CUZ I"M IGNORANT!
Post by: Mikintosh on December 26, 2007, 06:06:18 PM
"I’m gonna have you play every inch of this game!"
No doubt about that, Mr. Director Man. The graphix look pretty cool in this one, actually.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 26, 2007, 06:07:34 PM
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Though you're right, some Smash fanatic who would analyze this frame-by-frame ought to have mentioned it before - I don't remember any discussion of that either.
That's what I thought. I figure there are some people who eat and breathe SSB (more so than me even) and they would've pored over every piece of media available.
On tonight's update...
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I’m gonna have you play every inch of this game!
I don't take kindly to threats, Sakurai. Your ants are IN THE MAIL!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 26, 2007, 06:21:41 PM
It does look like Sakurai wants every part of the game to be a fun interactive experience. I still think that trophies have limited appeal but this is a very clever and creative way of getting them.
Although thinking about it I'm surprised that with all the thought being put into the trophies Sakurai hasn't announced a new mode that lets you trade trophies and send them to other players via Wi-fi.
Post by: GeneralTraag on December 26, 2007, 06:24:54 PM
I like how it is similar to an old tabletop arcade game.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 26, 2007, 06:31:25 PM
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Although thinking about it I'm surprised that with all the thought being put into the trophies Sakurai hasn't announced a new mode that lets you trade trophies and send them to other players via Wi-fi.
We're fighting with them as ATs, we're capturing them with stands. The only thing we're not doing is trading them.
I say take that to the prediction thread.
Post by: stevey on December 26, 2007, 06:32:24 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 26, 2007, 06:47:33 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Although thinking about it I'm surprised that with all the thought being put into the trophies Sakurai hasn't announced a new mode that lets you trade trophies and send them to other players via Wi-fi.
We're fighting with them as ATs, we're capturing them with stands. The only thing we're not doing is trading them.
I say take that to the prediction thread.
It just makes sense. Everything from brawl matches to stickers has online functionality. I'll be really surprised if the trophy mode doesn't have some sort of online feature.
Oh and no one has yet mentioned the characters that appear in this update, so I'll do it!
First screen:
Sticker: Lala? She looks like Lala but her mouth is open
Trophy: Looks like a Kirby enemy to me!
Fifth screen:
Trophy: Bow Wow the chain chomp (I mention it by name because he appears on Sakurai's list)
Sixth screen:
Trophy: I have no idea who that is...
Seventh screen:
Sticker: Phantom
Ganon Trophy: Bunny Hood
Eight screen:
Sticker: Bow and arrow (I assume its from Zelda)
Trophy: Peli and Phillis, Tortimer and I have no idea what the last two trophies are
Ninth screen: Pretty self explanatory
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 26, 2007, 07:04:30 PM
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Sixth screen:
Trophy: I have no idea who that is...
It's Zoda from F-Zero, that's right another F-Zero related trophy. It's like Sakurai is just trying to taunt me now. He shows F-Zero related things, but never shows the one F-Zero character that truly matters.
But I also loved this update since it shows Sakurai has really put effort into every inch of this game.
Post by: ShyGuy on December 26, 2007, 07:11:15 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 26, 2007, 07:29:56 PM
Since it was recently added, I think it's safe to say the Japanese version of the game is finished. Well, now we just sit back and wait for the leaks to hopefully begin.
Post by: anubis6789 on December 26, 2007, 10:04:43 PM
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Although thinking about it I'm surprised that with all the thought being put into the trophies Sakurai hasn't announced a new mode that lets you trade trophies and send them to other players via Wi-fi.
You know that has to be the logical evolution, nothing was more irritating to me in SSBM then the fact that the game kept track of how many of each trophy you had yet there was nothing you could do with them, like the trophy trading part was not finished and/or cut from the game.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 26, 2007, 11:44:19 PM
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First screen:
Sticker: Lala? She looks like Lala but her mouth is open
Boxy, mini-boss from Kirby Squeak Squad...
Great update...I love how the minigame is like a mix between pinball, Bust a Move, and a shmup...
Post by: Ceric on December 27, 2007, 12:35:55 AM
Post by: Robageejammin on December 27, 2007, 03:48:43 AM
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Since it was recently added, I think it's safe to say the Japanese version of the game is finished. Well, now we just sit back and wait for the leaks to hopefully begin.
Speaking of which, lets make sure we make a seperate thread just for spoilers. This time around, I'd love to have it so I find out about the secret stuff as I'm actually playing the game. I know, its a crazy dream of mine...sigh. I'm guessing other people feel the same though.
Post by: Mikintosh on December 27, 2007, 04:58:34 AM
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Oh and something of importance for you all. On the Japanese page, they have just added the official boxart to the game on the left side right above the release date.
Since it was recently added, I think it's safe to say the Japanese version of the game is finished. Well, now we just sit back and wait for the leaks to hopefully begin.
Wh-the logic police would like to have a word with you. The basic art for the box has been out for months now, and just 'cause it has a box doesn't mean it's necessary finished. The fact that it's rated means it's probably done, but I bet they can still fiddle with it in non-substantive ways. *is still holding out hope for Mega Man*
Post by: Louieturkey on December 27, 2007, 05:36:05 AM
As for the box art, I'm guessing the ones on the front will be all the starting characters, and maybe a couple more. I wonder if you actually have to start with the subspace emissary to actually have any characters at all to play multiplayer.
Post by: that Baby guy on December 27, 2007, 06:07:02 PM
Post by: nickmitch on December 27, 2007, 06:16:23 PM
A nice "one hit KO item".
It's nice to see so much strategy in the game. The pics next to the icon is also a nice touch.
Edit:
Share feature is nice. Looks like you can send pics and messages. I wonder if it'll include trophies and stickers too?
Also, online updates, confirmed?
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 27, 2007, 06:26:00 PM
"All seven languages of Smash Bros. Dojo will take a year-end holiday break from posting following December 28. We plan to resume posts on January 7."
"All seven languages of Smash Bros. Dojo will take a year-end holiday break from posting following December 28. We plan to resume posts on January 7."
"All seven languages of Smash Bros. Dojo will take a year-end holiday break from posting following December 28. We plan to resume posts on January 7."
SAKURAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!
Post by: Mikintosh on December 27, 2007, 06:26:57 PM
About the "Share" thing...just a general Wii complaint, but I'm just about running out of block room on the hard drive; I had to delete a VC game (albeit one I didn't care for) to make room. Granted, I have 5 N64 games, but c'mon, it's the 21st century! Spring for a bigger hard drive, Nintendo!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 27, 2007, 06:28:55 PM
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All seven languages of Smash Bros. Dojo will take a year-end holiday break from posting following December 28. We plan to resume posts on January 7.
Have a happy new year.
So now we're down to two and a half weeks of updates before the Japanese launch.
Edit: Damn, Bill beat me to it.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 27, 2007, 06:30:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"All seven languages of Smash Bros. Dojo will take a year-end holiday break from posting following December 28. We plan to resume posts on January 7."
"All seven languages of Smash Bros. Dojo will take a year-end holiday break from posting following December 28. We plan to resume posts on January 7."
"All seven languages of Smash Bros. Dojo will take a year-end holiday break from posting following December 28. We plan to resume posts on January 7."
"All seven languages of Smash Bros. Dojo will take a year-end holiday break from posting following December 28. We plan to resume posts on January 7."
SAKURAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!
Damn! I didn't notice that announcement.
And he ends the year without a big update...
Post by: Robageejammin on December 27, 2007, 06:41:08 PM
What does he expect us to do for a week!!??
Post by: Sonuis on December 27, 2007, 06:43:58 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 27, 2007, 06:46:40 PM
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HWUUAAAAAH??
What does he expect us to do for a week!!??
Check his other website and continue making fun of it here.
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 27, 2007, 08:47:32 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 28, 2007, 02:08:53 AM
~ Duster (Mother 3) AT
~ Rosalina (Mario Galaxy) AT
~ Sothe (Fire Emblem) AT
~ Kirby plays more like he did in SSB64
~ Pokemon Trainer shouts out his Pokemons' names
~ Mario's tornado is now his Down Aerial (not surprising, but now confirmed)
~ Mario Kart Lightning confirmed as an item; shrinks everyone but the user for a period of time (shorter than Poison Mushroom)
~ Zelda was playable, but I see no confirmation of Sheik...Turned off for Jump Fiesta or canned?
Post by: stevey on December 28, 2007, 02:27:13 AM
1 Week! I don't think I can last that long without an update....
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 28, 2007, 06:03:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Well at least there are some goodies from Jump Fiesta gameplay impressions...
~ Duster (Mother 3) AT
~ Rosalina (Mario Galaxy) AT
~ Sothe (Fire Emblem) AT
~ Kirby plays more like he did in SSB64
~ Pokemon Trainer shouts out his Pokemons' names
~ Mario's tornado is now his Down Aerial (not surprising, but now confirmed)
~ Mario Kart Lightning confirmed as an item; shrinks everyone but the user for a period of time (shorter than Poison Mushroom)
~ Zelda was playable, but I see no confirmation of Sheik...Turned off for Jump Fiesta or canned?
Wow, that's plenty of news.
As for the update, how very Powerstone-esque...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 28, 2007, 06:04:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Well at least there are some goodies from Jump Fiesta gameplay impressions...
~ Duster (Mother 3) AT
~ Rosalina (Mario Galaxy) AT
~ Sothe (Fire Emblem) AT
~ Kirby plays more like he did in SSB64
~ Pokemon Trainer shouts out his Pokemons' names
~ Mario's tornado is now his Down Aerial (not surprising, but now confirmed)
~ Mario Kart Lightning confirmed as an item; shrinks everyone but the user for a period of time (shorter than Poison Mushroom)
~ Zelda was playable, but I see no confirmation of Sheik...Turned off for Jump Fiesta or canned?
Wow, that's plenty of news.
As for the update, how very Powerstone-esque...
See even Sakurai realizes how great Powerstone was!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 28, 2007, 06:39:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Well at least there are some goodies from Jump Fiesta gameplay impressions...
~ Duster (Mother 3) AT
~ Rosalina (Mario Galaxy) AT
~ Sothe (Fire Emblem) AT
~ Kirby plays more like he did in SSB64
~ Pokemon Trainer shouts out his Pokemons' names
~ Mario's tornado is now his Down Aerial (not surprising, but now confirmed)
~ Mario Kart Lightning confirmed as an item; shrinks everyone but the user for a period of time (shorter than Poison Mushroom)
~ Zelda was playable, but I see no confirmation of Sheik...Turned off for Jump Fiesta or canned?
Wow, that's plenty of news.
As for the update, how very Powerstone-esque...
See even Sakurai realizes how great Powerstone was!
Power Stone 2 sucked...
The most disappointing thing about the site shutting down for a week is that they didn't end it on a high note, a big update to bring in the new year. True, the latest updates were LEAGUES better than the updates we have gotten in the last few months but if they were going to take a break to celebrate new year's they could've at least unveiled a character as a thank you for being loyal followers of the blog.
Its just goes to show you how Sakurai is locked deeply into his "no new character reveal" policy...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 28, 2007, 07:18:32 AM
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Well at least there are some goodies from Jump Fiesta gameplay impressions...
~ Duster (Mother 3) AT
~ Rosalina (Mario Galaxy) AT
~ Sothe (Fire Emblem) AT
~ Kirby plays more like he did in SSB64
~ Pokemon Trainer shouts out his Pokemons' names
~ Mario's tornado is now his Down Aerial (not surprising, but now confirmed)
~ Mario Kart Lightning confirmed as an item; shrinks everyone but the user for a period of time (shorter than Poison Mushroom)
~ Zelda was playable, but I see no confirmation of Sheik...Turned off for Jump Fiesta or canned?
Wow, that's plenty of news.
As for the update, how very Powerstone-esque...
See even Sakurai realizes how great Powerstone was!
Power Stone 2 sucked...
The most disappointing thing about the site shutting down for a week is that they didn't end it on a high note, a big update to bring in the new year. True, the latest updates were LEAGUES better than the updates we have gotten in the last few months but if they were going to take a break to celebrate new year's they could've at least unveiled a character as a thank you for being loyal followers of the blog.
Its just goes to show you how Sakurai is locked deeply into his "no new character reveal" policy...
In a way I'm glad because I want new characters to be a surprise, but in another way I worry that there aren't that many characters left to be revealed. Especially ones I WANT to be in it like a unique Ganondorf!
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 28, 2007, 07:33:57 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 28, 2007, 08:39:18 AM
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Don't let the Dojo trick you into thinking Sakurai has shown everything from his bag of tricks... =)
True, insane people are hard to predict.
Post by: Tanookisuit on December 28, 2007, 12:25:43 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 28, 2007, 12:57:14 PM
It's not like we won't know THE DAY of the 24th anyway. We had pictures of the Japanese roster from SSBM the same day so I expect this to be the case for Brawl, unless Sakurai put in some fiendish code which makes it so you can only unlock one character per day and uses an online clock to synchronize so you can't just set your Wii's internal clock to fool it.
Besides, unless all of the secret characters are heinously obscure, they could be used to hype the sales of the game up even further. I expect him to reveal any remaining 3rd party characters before launch, since they'll DEFINITELY add to the hype.
I'd rather know so I can get the disappointment over with ASAP, and if I'm not disappointed, good, but I'm still concerned enough to want to know now instead of later.
Oh, and I was right on the money: two weeks of hype-inducing updates before launch.
I'm actually glad he's shutting the blog down for now. I'd rather wait until the 7th and get some sleep than stay up every night only to be disappointed by a crap update.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 28, 2007, 12:59:05 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 28, 2007, 01:47:06 PM
Also, Bowser is back and supposedly doesn't suck anymore. That alone makes me happy.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 28, 2007, 05:51:28 PM
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Oh, and I was right on the money: two weeks of hype-inducing updates before launch.
Maybe its just my cynical nature talking but I doubt Sakurai will be dropping megatons like a mad bomber in the two weeks prior to release.
He just seems so locked into his "no big surprise before launch" mentality that even after the whole world has caught Brawl fever he refuses to talk about Capt. Falcon.
I expect the megatons to be dropped by the media and the fans. I just KNOW someone will come out and post pictures and info regarding the final game.
And TanookiSuit, don't take my comment about Power stone 2 personally. I was just teasing GP, since she LOVES to invade a thread and remind people how much she hated a game
.But in all seriousness I WAS disappointed with PS 2. The game suffered from "too much-itis", as in too much going on, too much to watch out for, too much insanity etc. etc. There were times were I was surviving the level more than fighting the other characters. The camera didn't help things either.
It was a good game but sometimes simple is better.
Post by: Stogi on December 28, 2007, 07:16:38 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"All seven languages of Smash Bros. Dojo will take a year-end holiday break from posting following December 28. We plan to resume posts on January 7."
"All seven languages of Smash Bros. Dojo will take a year-end holiday break from posting following December 28. We plan to resume posts on January 7."
"All seven languages of Smash Bros. Dojo will take a year-end holiday break from posting following December 28. We plan to resume posts on January 7."
"All seven languages of Smash Bros. Dojo will take a year-end holiday break from posting following December 28. We plan to resume posts on January 7."
SAKURAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!
Don't worry, Bill. I'm sure Sakurai will post the update you've been waiting for soon enough.
You know.......that update......the one you have been dreaming, er, fantasizing about.
You know.......the one you told me you wish could come true a couple months back.
The one.......the one about Link...............breaking into your apartment and raping you........update.
hehe, couldn't resist mate
.But in all seriousness; this isn't so bad. I'm thinking of not following the updates anymore anyways so I can surprise myself in a couple months.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 28, 2007, 08:31:39 PM
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The one.......the one about Link...............breaking into your apartment and raping you........update.
To each their own, I sup-
...
It had BETTER not involve wolf form...
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 30, 2007, 04:25:02 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 03, 2008, 04:55:36 AM
- Metagross, Regigigas, Garchomp, and Castform
- Onix returns as a Pokeball Pokemon
- Pokemon Trainer talks some more when he does his Final Smash
- Soccer Ball item from Mario Strikers (can't be countered or caught and can turn into flames if it is kicked)
- The stop clock item slows your opponent down but, like the Hammers, can occasionally mess up and slow YOU down
- Rosalina AT apparently throws out star pieces that heal and expels Lumas
- Lucas' PK Freeze has much better control than PK Flash ever did with Ness
Post by: nickmitch on January 03, 2008, 07:45:49 AM
Post by: UniversalJuan on January 03, 2008, 09:12:46 AM
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That's good because PK Flash was almost worthless. I could really only use it on certain stages against mostly newbs.
Oh I don't know. PK Flash (I swear he's saying Pulse and not Flash) makes for some pretty funny edgeguard moments, even at tournaments (Well, before the matches actually begin and we're just fooling around)
Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on January 03, 2008, 08:21:28 PM
* Snakes's Landmine attack is REMOTE, not PROXIMITY. (This refers to his down smash that shows him burying a mine - it will not blow up when walked over; the player must activate the explosion themselves).
* New FE Music: "The Kingdom of Bern".
* Regigigas, Metagross, Onix and Garchomp are Poke Ball Pokemon. Metagross uses Earthquake, Onix does the same move from Smash 64, and Regigigas uses Crush Grip.
* Kirby is more powerful this time around, as we have mentioned previously. His Final Smash does around 35% damage.
* Wario is powerful, but has a lot of start-up lag.
* Pegasus Knight from the Fire Emblem series as an AT.
* Zelda's Din's Fire has been nerfed a bit.
Source: Brawl Central
Much of the info in tha translation was already revealed the link three posts above this one, so I've left in the new pieces.
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 04, 2008, 09:34:01 PM
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# It seems that if you "pass" a mini-game on the WarioWare stage, you heal slightly. <--Seems a bit odd to me, personally.
# Wario had his original overalls as a costume at Jump Festa.
# Meta Knight has a Kirby (pink) colored costume.
# Sothe, from Fire Emblem I believe, is an assist trophy. I guess he's supposed to use knives in the game, but doesn't in Brawl. Instead he does a somersault kick.
# NEW MUSIC! Animal Crossing Main Theme, Balloon Fight's Balloon Trip music, and WarioWare Main Theme. I have no idea what WarioWare's main theme is, unless they mean Ashley's theme?
# When you start a match, the background music is displyed.
# As seen on the Dojo, Wario-Man's bike is very fast and it's easy to SD with it.
# More info on Sandbag Item: You beat him up, and items come out as you hit him.
# The WarioWare stage features over 8 minigames, including "Don't Move".
# Level 9 computers are still weak, according to some people.
# Bowser and Kirby seem to be getting more and more praise for how much they have improved over their Melee forms.
# MORE MUSIC CONFIRMED: Yoshi's Island has songs called "Ending BGM" and "Athletic". Norfair has "Brinstar BGM", "Samus's Theme", and "Metroid Ending Theme". Bridge of Eldin has "Great Bay".
# Snake's Remote Mine (Down Smash) varies in damage from 10-20%.
# Kirby's new Dash Move is named "Break Spin". It's being refered to as the yo-yo attack, but does not involve a yo-yo of any kind
# Kirby's Final Smash sucks in any nearby items also, and when it tosses the opponents out, it transforms all the items sucked in into Kirby items. Thanks to David G. for pointing out that the Superspicy Curry is a Kirby item.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 04, 2008, 10:34:07 PM
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* Zelda's Din's Fire has been nerfed a bit.
How could anyone learn about Zelda's moves without checking the one move that matters? What a cruel tease.
Post by: nickmitch on January 05, 2008, 02:10:02 AM
Post by: Ceric on January 06, 2008, 12:46:08 AM
Post by: ThePerm on January 06, 2008, 04:04:38 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 06, 2008, 04:44:15 AM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 06, 2008, 05:24:00 AM
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Brawl Central claims there is a Birdo AT (3D, not the classic Super Mario 2 sprite) as well as a Tingle AT (that is absolutely worthless, just like Tingle...
...YES!!
There IS a God! I AM SO INCREDIBLY HAPPY!!! *sheds tears of joy :_D
Post by: Sessha on January 06, 2008, 06:09:17 AM
Post by: stevey on January 06, 2008, 06:11:36 AM
Post by: Caterkiller on January 06, 2008, 08:06:40 AM
According to Brawl Central, Wario can eat items as well. And if not spit out, he will recover damage taken. I love it!
But seriously, why in the heck don't we know about Zelda's down special move yet?
Post by: Sessha on January 06, 2008, 08:44:35 AM
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Awesome! It seems Kirby can inhale certain items and gain their powers! I had always wished he could do something like that. Now he's even more unique!
According to Brawl Central, Wario can eat items as well. And if not spit out, he will recover damage taken. I love it!
But seriously, why in the heck don't we know about Zelda's down special move yet?
Whatever chances Megaman had of being in Brawl are about gone.
Post by: nickmitch on January 06, 2008, 08:53:04 AM
Post by: Shecky on January 06, 2008, 10:08:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller
Awesome! It seems Kirby can inhale certain items and gain their powers! I had always wished he could do something like that. Now he's even more unique!
According to Brawl Central, Wario can eat items as well. And if not spit out, he will recover damage taken. I love it!
But seriously, why in the heck don't we know about Zelda's down special move yet?
I have doubts about the Kirby info, unless it's like inhaling the curry/food which would be the same as picking it up.
The other option I could see is that it give him the powers of a character... ie: swallow a fire flower, get Mario's power to hurl fireballs (even if there is no Mario character in play)
Post by: Darkheart on January 06, 2008, 10:47:35 AM
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Originally posted by: SheckyQuote
Originally posted by: Caterkiller
Awesome! It seems Kirby can inhale certain items and gain their powers! I had always wished he could do something like that. Now he's even more unique!
According to Brawl Central, Wario can eat items as well. And if not spit out, he will recover damage taken. I love it!
But seriously, why in the heck don't we know about Zelda's down special move yet?
I have doubts about the Kirby info, unless it's like inhaling the curry/food which would be the same as picking it up.
The other option I could see is that it give him the powers of a character... ie: swallow a fire flower, get Mario's power to hurl fireballs (even if there is no Mario character in play)
You guys are being vague with the info
What I heard is when Kirby does his final smash IF items are near the cooking pot they too will be sucked in and turned into powerups.
I too am curious of why they have not explained Zeldas down special unless they had every player at Jump Festa sign a Shiek embargo XD~!
Post by: Caterkiller on January 06, 2008, 01:35:34 PM
"Kirby Can Eat Items, Steal Powers
There are reports that Kirby was able to eat certain items and gain the ability. Of course, he can only use one at a time, just like when he gains the powers of players. Firby eating a Fire Flower= fire breathing Kirby, ect."
Though I know I read that his final smash sucks in everything as well, not just the fighters.
Post by: anubis6789 on January 06, 2008, 05:02:50 PM
Take that as you will.
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 06, 2008, 06:05:08 PM
Post by: nickmitch on January 06, 2008, 06:05:26 PM
A bit of a let down.
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 06, 2008, 06:07:45 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 06, 2008, 06:08:47 PM
He could have at least revealed some of the stuff we learned from jump fiesta to maybe get some of that out of the way.
Looks like we're going to be spending the next two weeks riddled with updates limper than a room full of viagra users jonesin for their fix...
Sigh...
Post by: Robageejammin on January 06, 2008, 06:16:49 PM
"This is amazing! Is this a lavish feast or what?"
Post by: Arbok on January 06, 2008, 06:17:17 PM
Post by: nickmitch on January 06, 2008, 06:20:43 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 06, 2008, 06:26:08 PM
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A BIT?
He could have at least revealed some of the stuff we learned from jump fiesta to maybe get some of that out of the way.
Looks like we're going to be spending the next two weeks riddled with updates limper than a room full of viagra users jonesin for their fix...
Sigh...
Let's not jump to conclusions. I am giving Sakurai till Friday. If the whole week was garbage THEN we can rag the hell out of him.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 06, 2008, 07:41:42 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 06, 2008, 09:17:53 PM
(Which I'll add is by FAR superior to the crappy "classic" stages that were included in Melee...)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 06, 2008, 09:36:37 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on January 06, 2008, 09:49:38 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 07, 2008, 07:50:47 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 07, 2008, 08:06:25 AM
Right now, the final number of stages is incomplete. So far there are 26 stages, including the classic stages. The Mario and Metroid franchises are already represented with two stages each. The only ones left are Zelda, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem, Star Fox, Wario, Pokemon, Mother/Earthbound, Sonic and Metal Gear.
I want to know how much content the are able to cram onto the 4 gig DVD. I know they can but what's important is if they want to.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 07, 2008, 08:19:22 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 07, 2008, 08:27:37 AM
I can make my own levels so I've no reason to worry about not having enough levels, remember.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 07, 2008, 08:51:10 AM
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I want to know how much content the are able to cram onto the 4 gig DVD. I know they can but what's important is if they want to.
I would hope that for a game like this they'd be using the dual-layered discs that hold up to 9.7 gigs, especially considering the amount of music they've promised.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 07, 2008, 08:57:08 AM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
On one hand, this update was totally not worth waiting a week and a half for. On the other hand, with Corneria confirmed, that confirms my and my friends' two favorite Melee stages (Hyrule Temple and Corneria).
I have to agree. It was a good update, but considering that they didn't update the site for a whole and this would be the first update of 2008 they could've at least talked about something BRAND NEW. Not a huge megaton, but at least something fun and very pleasing.
Like I said earlier, I am going to wait to see how the whole week goes. If by Friday the whole week turned out to be crappy then we can officially declare that we will NOT see any megatons till after the game is released, and even then the megatons will be dropped by the fans and not the official site.
EDIT: Oh and the for the record, when I talk about the final number of stages, I am only counting the Nintendo theme ones. If you count the user created stages then yeah, the number's infinite. But I want to know how many Nintendo stages will be in the final game.
Post by: stevey on January 07, 2008, 09:29:02 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 07, 2008, 10:23:38 AM
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I want to know how much content the are able to cram onto the 4 gig DVD. I know they can but what's important is if they want to.
Well the thing to remember is Melee was done on 1.5 gig min disk. Now since Melee was an early Gamecube game I doubt it even came close to filling up the disk.
So in other words, if Brawl takes up most of the full 4 gig's on the Wii's disk, it should be able to get about 3-4 times the amount of content Melee had in it. And if they duel layer it like insanolord said, then this game could have 8-10 times the amount of content Melee did.
Of course I don't know if they'll need 9.7 gigs for the game but if the game does end up taking that much data, then Iwata should give Sakurai is own private island since he'd would have defiantly earned it. And since Nintendo now owns Japan, I'm sure Iwata could easily find an island since they have hundreds of them.
Post by: Arbok on January 07, 2008, 06:05:26 PM
My God! It's going to be impossible to tear me away from this game.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 07, 2008, 06:06:32 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 07, 2008, 06:07:31 PM
Post by: nickmitch on January 07, 2008, 06:08:38 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 07, 2008, 06:19:43 PM
Although, I know not everyone will spend time on multi-man Brawls.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 07, 2008, 08:25:24 PM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 08, 2008, 01:15:56 AM
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I just wish there were online co-op events, but that doesn't seem so.
Try looking at the last picture again... =)
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Is that the guy from Meteos?
It's possible that the Meteos guys were the inspiration, though they aren't identical...The Yellow Alloy also looks a bit like an Animal Crossing Villager...
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 08, 2008, 12:30:34 PM
Post by: Ceric on January 08, 2008, 12:32:45 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 08, 2008, 03:28:03 PM
Post by: nickmitch on January 08, 2008, 03:31:36 PM
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Originally posted by: TVman
I just wish there were online co-op events, but that doesn't seem so.
Try looking at the last picture again... =)
I wanted more this plus online. The last pic has this plus online.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 08, 2008, 04:13:13 PM
BARRY? WHERE'S BARRY?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 08, 2008, 05:56:04 PM
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Captain Falcon (Red) and Player 1 (Yellow) confirmed for Brawl.
Wait, I lied. Yellow is Mario.
Post by: that Baby guy on January 08, 2008, 06:03:54 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 08, 2008, 06:05:26 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 08, 2008, 06:05:42 PM
Its Capt. Olimar from Pikmin!
ITS ABOUT F*CKING TIME, SAKURAI!!!!!!!!!
Well, that's one less character off the most requested character list. I wonder who's next?
Post by: anubis6789 on January 08, 2008, 06:09:04 PM
This week is now up there as one of the greatest weeks ever.
Post by: that Baby guy on January 08, 2008, 06:11:33 PM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 08, 2008, 06:24:05 PM
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BTW, Olimar's symbol is number 22 if anyone here follows that.
Does this shatter the theories that there will be only 10 new franchises in Brawl? I remember reading that once icon 19 was unveiled that was going to be it for the new franchises. Yet with DS and Pikmin that makes it 12 new franchises.
So there could be even more than that...
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 08, 2008, 06:24:57 PM
Post by: Robageejammin on January 08, 2008, 06:31:15 PM
Oh god, now comes 24 hrs of trying to figure out what his moves are!! ....down B pluck pikmin.....and...uh.........DAMNIT! gotta sleep on it!
Post by: anubis6789 on January 08, 2008, 06:38:17 PM
I feel this update has redeemed Sakurai.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 08, 2008, 06:40:38 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
I wonder if there is a slim chance that you will pluck a Bulbmin instead of a regular Pikmin... or perhaps the Bulbmin are part of Olimar's Final Smash... or perhaps Louie is part of the Final Smash...
I feel this update has redeemed Sakurai.
He doesn't get redeemed until Mega Man is revealed, and if that means the next Smash Brothers. So be it!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 08, 2008, 06:51:47 PM
Could it be that there's no Pikmin stage and the track is just one of the multiple song selections?
Post by: Crimm on January 08, 2008, 06:52:33 PM
You can bank everything in that sentence.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 08, 2008, 07:08:57 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
I just noticed this. On the Japanese page the Pikmin music entry has a link to the "My Music" update. Yet the English version doesn't have it.
Could it be that there's no Pikmin stage and the track is just one of the multiple song selections?
Sakurai talks about "Ai no Uta" and "Tane no Uta" (the Japanese theme songs for the Pikmin games) and says you can select them in My Music...So it's not all that surprising that it wasn't mentioned outside the Japanese page...
Post by: anubis6789 on January 08, 2008, 07:11:08 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
I just noticed this. On the Japanese page the Pikmin music entry has a link to the "My Music" update. Yet the English version doesn't have it.
Could it be that there's no Pikmin stage and the track is just one of the multiple song selections?
From what I gather the Japanese site mentions that the two songs (Ai No Uta and Tane No Uta) used for the Pikmin commercials in Japan are also going to be in Brawl.
EDIT: It appears that Bill beat me.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 08, 2008, 07:14:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: pap64
I just noticed this. On the Japanese page the Pikmin music entry has a link to the "My Music" update. Yet the English version doesn't have it.
Could it be that there's no Pikmin stage and the track is just one of the multiple song selections?
Sakurai talks about "Ai no Uta" and "Tane no Uta" (the Japanese theme songs for the Pikmin games) and says you can select them in My Music...So it's not all that surprising that it wasn't mentioned outside the Japanese page...
Ah, thanks for the info!
Are those songs the ones used in the Japanese commercials? Like
this one?
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 08, 2008, 07:15:25 PM
Post by: IceCold on January 08, 2008, 07:26:23 PM
That is all.
Post by: Sessha on January 08, 2008, 07:34:43 PM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 08, 2008, 07:49:45 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Yep, that's "Tane no Uta"...I personally like "Ai no Uta" more... =)
Yeah, I too loved those songs. Its too bad that the American version won't likely have the songs. I mean, if we get Japan only characters and stages we should also get some of the Japan only songs too!
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 08, 2008, 10:35:42 PM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on January 09, 2008, 01:42:15 AM
Olimar is the first new Nintendo franchise character revealed since the announcement of Pit and Wario. This means that Sakurai is, in fact, digging into the list of what might have been secret characters.
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 09, 2008, 01:43:01 AM
2 out of 4 of the characters I wanted added to Brawl have been confirmed.
Pit
Olimar with Pikmin
What I love is Olimar is being designed exactly how I wanted him to be designed I am so excited. And that new design for him has some great details.
Now, the last 2 characters I hope to see are:
Bomberman
Mega Man
I know, the likelihood of both are slim, and I know that supposedly Mega Man has been deconfirmed, but I do not believe that means the end. Until the game is released there is always hope, for both my characters showing up.
But if I got 4/4 of the characters I most wanted in Brawl, I will go crazy with excitment.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 09, 2008, 02:36:50 AM
It's Miyamoto's baby and one of the most recent IPs he's created. If you just put those two together, it makes a pile of logical sense.
And I love the Pikmin theme. There's a first...
Post by: that Baby guy on January 09, 2008, 04:55:46 AM
That's my guess, at least.
Post by: Adrock on January 09, 2008, 05:35:35 AM
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I know, the likelihood of both are slim, and I know that supposedly Mega Man has been deconfirmed, but I do not believe that means the end. Until the game is released there is always hope, for both my characters showing up.
Yeah, I remember Sega saying the same thing before Sonic showed up. I still think Mega Man is a possibility.
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 09, 2008, 07:06:42 AM
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Yep, that's "Tane no Uta"...I personally like "Ai no Uta" more... =)
Yeah, I too loved those songs. Its too bad that the American version won't likely have the songs. I mean, if we get Japan only characters and stages we should also get some of the Japan only songs too!
Oh the American version better get those songs. It would be stupid for them to remove songs from the game. The whole point of My Music is to add a wide variety of music for people to listen too and to choose what they like. If most Americans don't like the Japanese songs then they can just set them to low on My Music. For Nintendo to remove the songs pretty much defeats the point of even having something like My Music in the first place.
Plus it would be complete bull sh!t for the Japanese version to have more songs then the American version. You'd think since it's 2008 now, companies would stop this crap about removing things from the English versions just to make sure the Japanese versions are the best. If anything since Melee sold 3 times as many copies here in America then Japan, Sakurai and his crew should be ADDING more to the American version for being the biggest supporters of the Smash Bros series.
Ok now I'm just ranting but I like both those songs and nothing pisses me off more then when content gets removed from the English version of games. It just feels like one big slap in the face.
Post by: Louieturkey on January 09, 2008, 08:25:28 AM
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Post by: anubis6789 on January 09, 2008, 06:42:41 PM
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Yep, that's "Tane no Uta"...I personally like "Ai no Uta" more... =)
Yeah, I too loved those songs. Its too bad that the American version won't likely have the songs. I mean, if we get Japan only characters and stages we should also get some of the Japan only songs too!
Oh the American version better get those songs. It would be stupid for them to remove songs from the game. The whole point of My Music is to add a wide variety of music for people to listen too and to choose what they like. If most Americans don't like the Japanese songs then they can just set them to low on My Music. For Nintendo to remove the songs pretty much defeats the point of even having something like My Music in the first place.
Plus it would be complete bull sh!t for the Japanese version to have more songs then the American version. You'd think since it's 2008 now, companies would stop this crap about removing things from the English versions just to make sure the Japanese versions are the best. If anything since Melee sold 3 times as many copies here in America then Japan, Sakurai and his crew should be ADDING more to the American version for being the biggest supporters of the Smash Bros series.
Ok now I'm just ranting but I like both those songs and nothing pisses me off more then when content gets removed from the English version of games. It just feels like one big slap in the face.
I do not think they will remove the songs becuase they where both used, in my knowledge, in-game in Pikmin 2.
In fact I think that the SSB series has a pretty good history of not removing much from the NA versions of the games. The only two things that I can think of that were removed/changed are the sound of the beam saber and the locking of the Tamagon trophy, which was still in there you just needed an Action Replay to access it.
I think the main reason that these songs were only alluded to on the Japanese Dojo is because they where part of semi-promotional CDs that were only released in japan and they both went double platinum, but most people reading the other languages would have no frame of reference. Keep in mind that he linked to the Japanese version of Ashley's theme on the other language sites (as well as vice versa) and he posted the Devil AT who is from the same game as the sole censored trophy in the NA version of Melee.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 09, 2008, 07:05:18 PM
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Post by: LuigiHann on January 09, 2008, 08:24:07 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
This game is losing its soul by the day. Soon you'll get a soul-less game that's DELAYED.
If it's going to be delayed, shouldn't you say "not soon"?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 09, 2008, 08:56:52 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 09, 2008, 09:23:30 PM
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What happened to "no guns"?
Sakurai specifically said that explosives were okay, like the rocket launcher that's one of his standard moves.
Post by: Robageejammin on January 10, 2008, 01:34:49 AM
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I wonder if the reticule can be controlled by either the joystick or via pointing and aiming with the Wiimote? It looks like an awesome final smash though.
I was curious about that too when i saw the dragoon, but now that snakes final smash has the exact same aiming functionality, I bet it does work like that
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 10, 2008, 08:09:19 AM
Post by: Ceric on January 10, 2008, 08:27:37 AM
1) It makes everyone else itty bitty
2) It breaks the mechanic of being about being about to counter a smash.
I really don't see a downside to this one. You are for Smash purposes invincible if you can't get launched so for that little bit you can pop out finish up.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 10, 2008, 09:41:53 AM
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Post by: vudu on January 10, 2008, 09:52:52 AM
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The latest issue of CoroCoro has some new Smash Bros. Brawl info. Snake and Sonic have been confirmed as hidden characters, which means they won’t be available to choose from the start. The magazine also has a picture of what looks to be Zelda’s final smash, but it hasn’t been confirmed yet. Finally, one of Zelda’s moves is the ‘Twilight Change’ which will transform you into Sheik.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 10, 2008, 09:58:10 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 10, 2008, 10:14:16 AM
For some reason, I am seeing that people are posting on the thread. Yet when I click to go to the last page it takes me to LuigiHann's last post.
Am I the only one seeing this?
Post by: Sessha on January 10, 2008, 11:36:13 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 10, 2008, 11:41:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
No, first you'll come to realize it's a soul-less game. Then when the days are truly dark, you'll be hit with the official delay. It's the delay announcement for a soul-less game that's coming soon.
In all honesty, I sometimes can't tell whether you are being sarcastic or being serious.
Do you REALLY think the game's lacking, um, "soul"? And what do you mean by soul?
Post by: nickmitch on January 10, 2008, 01:27:50 PM
Post by: IceCold on January 10, 2008, 01:36:21 PM
QuoteI'll bet it has both options. If not, definitely the joystick because of the GameCube and Classic Controller options.
I wonder if the reticule can be controlled by either the joystick or via pointing and aiming with the Wiimote? It looks like an awesome final smash though.
Post by: Caliban on January 10, 2008, 02:06:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
No, first you'll come to realize it's a soul-less game. Then when the days are truly dark, you'll be hit with the official delay. It's the delay announcement for a soul-less game that's coming soon.
In all honesty, I sometimes can't tell whether you are being sarcastic or being serious.
Do you REALLY think the game's lacking, um, "soul"? And what do you mean by soul?
I always think he's making fun of us.
Post by: nickmitch on January 10, 2008, 06:22:03 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 10, 2008, 06:24:23 PM
That means...
IT MUST BE A SUPER SPECIAL AWESOME MEGATON UPDATE WHICH UNVEILS ALL OF THE CHARACTERS THAT WILL BE BRAWL, INCLUDING GOD HIMSELF, EVERY SINGLE ITEM, STAGE, SONG AND MODE WILL BE REVEALED!!
Oh and Capt. Falcon too :p .
That, or Sakurai wants to show us Snake's ass one more time.
EDIT: Never mind, there it is :p .
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 10, 2008, 06:25:06 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 10, 2008, 06:28:01 PM
Will Sakurai step it up and unveil even more megatons next week, just in time for the Japanese release?
Post by: nickmitch on January 10, 2008, 06:29:16 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 10, 2008, 06:44:06 PM
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Finally, one of Zelda’s moves is the ‘Twilight Change’ which will transform you into Sheik.
I have 2 problems with the name "Twilight Change"
1. The word Change. I'm sick of this word. Last Saturday I heard it 103 times in one discussion.
2. The word Twilight. Sheik wasn't in Twilight Princess at all, why call it that? That sounds like we're kissing-off TP dwellers.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 10, 2008, 07:36:18 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on January 10, 2008, 07:37:42 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on January 10, 2008, 09:12:39 PM
... it is almost like a Buddhist koan...
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 10, 2008, 11:15:41 PM
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Post by: Spak-Spang on January 11, 2008, 01:35:34 AM
I bet once the Pikmin latch on they will continue attacking and following them...people will have to waste time attacking the Pikmin back...and that is the beauty of the character.
I also have a feeling Olimar may be a heavy character in terms of smashing him, to help with his weak jumps and such.
We also know that for regular attacks he swings Pikmin at people. I will be interesting to see if different colored Pikmin have different results in Smash attacks...and the amount of Strategy you can use when pulling and planning your Pikmin attacks.
This character is going to be really fun to use.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 11, 2008, 02:29:01 AM
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Sorry to post one after the other but there is a question that has been going around other boards I visit that I thought all of you would like to consider: what happens when Kirby inhales Olimar?
... it is almost like a Buddhist koan...
Kirby will be able to lead a Pikmin army, but won't be able to utilize it in the same way Olimar can (because Kirby only copies the standard B move, not the others...)
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Post by: Smash_Brother on January 11, 2008, 07:56:53 AM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
Sorry to post one after the other but there is a question that has been going around other boards I visit that I thought all of you would like to consider: what happens when Kirby inhales Olimar?
That's an EXCELLENT question. If Kirby's neutral B would be to pluck Pikmin, what the hell happens after that?
Unless they've redesigned Kirby so he gets a character's toward AND neutral B moves, which would absolutely rock...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 11, 2008, 08:39:02 AM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
Sorry to post one after the other but there is a question that has been going around other boards I visit that I thought all of you would like to consider: what happens when Kirby inhales Olimar?
That's an EXCELLENT question. If Kirby's neutral B would be to pluck Pikmin, what the hell happens after that?
Unless they've redesigned Kirby so he gets a character's toward AND neutral B moves, which would absolutely rock...
I think his B moves will remain unchanged. However, his normal A moves will be enhanced by the Pikmin, as in he grabs a Pikmin and uses it like an item.
Although, Sakurai might have realized that Olimar Kirby would be pretty useless so maybe he gets some of Olimar's moves as well.
Post by: vudu on January 11, 2008, 09:05:44 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 11, 2008, 09:13:55 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Kirby can probably only pluck one Pikmin at a time and if he presses B when he already has one he'll throw it.
That makes sense.
Though I think that'll make the move inherently gimped, since I wager it's the fact that Olimar can COVER his foes with Pikmin which makes the attack worthwhile, unless walloping someone with a purple Pikmin makes for a good killing move.
Notice how, in one of the original four pictures, Olimar is swinging a yellow Pikmin at Mario? I'm guessing that his attacks will be different depending on which Pikmin is at the front of the line at the time, meaning that he could technically have 6 different movesets in terms of speed, range and power (5 Pikmin types and one unarmed).
Also, the Pikmin explanation makes each one sound like different, like how the yellow ones have "more range". Olimar is officially my most anticipated character.
I do wonder if every time you hit someone with a Pikmin, it'll die and you'll need to use the next one...
