Post by: Kairon on July 28, 2007, 08:32:13 PM
The latest news from that thread is that the premium XBox360 will drop fifty dollars to $349 (as evidenced by the sales fliers they've got pics of). There's also information from the moderators on the board that the core and elite prices will also drop price... but not as much as the Premium.
So... is a $50 price drop enough? Will this increase XBox 360 sales over the 200,000 monthly NPD threshold again? Could it outsell the PS2 regularly maybe? Will the Wii get some real HD competition?
... Or is MS just trying to clear the Premium stock out, ala Sony, so they're left with the Elite and Core SKUs only?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 28, 2007, 08:35:31 PM
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The news on the net is that we've got an XBox 360 price drop incoming. For a play by play meltdown, check out this particular NeoGAF thread.
The latest news from that thread is that the premium XBox360 will drop fifty dollars to $349 (as evidenced by the sales fliers they've got pics of). There's also information from the moderators on the board that the core and elite prices will also drop price... but not as much as the Premium.
So... is a $50 price drop enough? Will this increase XBox 360 sales over the 200,000 monthly NPD threshold again? Could it outsell the PS2 regularly maybe? Will the Wii get some real HD competition?
... Or is MS just trying to clear the Premium stock out, ala Sony, so they're left with the Elite and Core SKUs only?
I think there is a good chance you won't see much difference until Halo 3 comes out. Should be interesting to see if they pull a Sony and use it to get rid of stock, but I feel this will not be the case since there is such a huge price gap between the elite and core. Oh yeah I think the Elite will drop $30 so it is an even $450.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on July 29, 2007, 02:23:59 AM
Post by: Mashiro on July 29, 2007, 04:17:50 AM
Edit: although this has surfaced now as well.
So I stand corrected, a price drop may indeed be coming.
Not like I care I wouldn't buy an Xbox 360 anyway (chance my system could repeatedly break down? no thanks.).
Post by: capamerica on July 29, 2007, 04:52:34 AM
I'm not to mad about it kicking the bucket, I did get if for $20 under retail 3 weeks after launch and I had a blast playing it for the last year and a half.
I defiantly thing the dead 360 issue is over exaggerated, I know at least a dozen people who own 360s and to date I'm the only one who got the ring of death.
Post by: Mashiro on July 29, 2007, 04:54:49 AM
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This is good news, my 360 just died so I'm getting ready to buy a new one.
I'm not to mad about it kicking the bucket, I did get if for $20 under retail 3 weeks after launch and I had a blast playing it for the last year and a half.
I defiantly thing the dead 360 issue is over exaggerated, I know at least a dozen people who own 360s and to date I'm the only one who got the ring of death.
But. . . why would you buy a new one and not send it in to be fixed?
Post by: KDR_11k on July 29, 2007, 05:19:36 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on July 29, 2007, 06:14:15 AM
Post by: capamerica on July 29, 2007, 07:48:35 AM
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This is good news, my 360 just died so I'm getting ready to buy a new one.
I'm not to mad about it kicking the bucket, I did get if for $20 under retail 3 weeks after launch and I had a blast playing it for the last year and a half.
I defiantly thing the dead 360 issue is over exaggerated, I know at least a dozen people who own 360s and to date I'm the only one who got the ring of death.
But. . . why would you buy a new one and not send it in to be fixed?
Cause when I called up MS said it would cost $150 to send it to them.
So I said f*ck that and I opened it up and did some of the hacks out there that were used to get rid of the ring of death. The hacks extended the life for about 3 extra months, but it finally died a couple weeks ago.
I have no idea what is with the whole 3 year warranty, I think it only covers them fixing it, but it looks like it will still cost you $150 just to get it to them.
I can get $90 back on a broken Xbox360 at GameStop so with that price drop if it effects all systems I might be able to get a replacement core for only $160. $120 if I go with a used one. And I get the GameStop warranty so if it dies or they come out with a new chip set model in the next 90 days I can bring it back and trade it.
Post by: Mashiro on July 29, 2007, 07:50:42 AM
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This is good news, my 360 just died so I'm getting ready to buy a new one.
I'm not to mad about it kicking the bucket, I did get if for $20 under retail 3 weeks after launch and I had a blast playing it for the last year and a half.
I defiantly thing the dead 360 issue is over exaggerated, I know at least a dozen people who own 360s and to date I'm the only one who got the ring of death.
But. . . why would you buy a new one and not send it in to be fixed?
Cause when I called up MS said it would cost $150 to send it to them.
So I said f*ck that and I opened it up and did some of the hacks out there that were used to get rid of the ring of death. The hacks extended the life for about 3 extra months, but it finally died a couple weeks ago.
I have no idea what is with the whole 3 year warranty, I think it only covers them fixing it, but it looks like it will still cost you $150 just to get it to them.
I can get $90 back on a broken Xbox360 at GameStop so with that price drop if it effects all systems I might be able to get a replacement core for only $160. $120 if I go with a used one. And I get the GameStop warranty so if it dies or they come out with a new chip set model in the next 90 days I can bring it back and trade it.
So, you're going to reward the company that gives you crap customer service by buying another system from them? weak. (Though I guess it would be gamestop getting the money. . .)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 29, 2007, 08:58:08 AM
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This is good news, my 360 just died so I'm getting ready to buy a new one.
I'm not to mad about it kicking the bucket, I did get if for $20 under retail 3 weeks after launch and I had a blast playing it for the last year and a half.
I defiantly thing the dead 360 issue is over exaggerated, I know at least a dozen people who own 360s and to date I'm the only one who got the ring of death.
But. . . why would you buy a new one and not send it in to be fixed?
Cause when I called up MS said it would cost $150 to send it to them.
So I said f*ck that and I opened it up and did some of the hacks out there that were used to get rid of the ring of death. The hacks extended the life for about 3 extra months, but it finally died a couple weeks ago.
I have no idea what is with the whole 3 year warranty, I think it only covers them fixing it, but it looks like it will still cost you $150 just to get it to them.
I can get $90 back on a broken Xbox360 at GameStop so with that price drop if it effects all systems I might be able to get a replacement core for only $160. $120 if I go with a used one. And I get the GameStop warranty so if it dies or they come out with a new chip set model in the next 90 days I can bring it back and trade it.
So, you're going to reward the company that gives you crap customer service by buying another system from them? weak. (Though I guess it would be gamestop getting the money. . .)
I think there was a miscommunication there, a friend of mine sent theirs into MS and there was no $150 charge.
Post by: Kairon on July 29, 2007, 09:19:56 AM
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So, you're going to reward the company that gives you crap customer service by buying another system from them? weak. (Though I guess it would be gamestop getting the money. . .)
That's exactly what I was going to say. You'd have to really love a company in order to shell out another $349 of your own money to fix what is essentially THEIR mistake...
Edit: Remember when Nintendo wanted to charge Darkheart $50 for a hinge fix to the DSLite? They ended up NOT charging him for it... which is the same route that MS should've taken in this case too. (See Golden Phoenix! No double standards! &P)
Post by: matt oz on July 29, 2007, 02:55:23 PM
I've never had a problem with a Nintendo system. My brother's NES from 1988 still works, as does our SNES from 1992, N64 from 1996, Dreamcast from 2000, Gamecube from 2001, PS2 from 2003, and Wii. I'm probably due for a hardware failure at this point, and it'll probably be an XBox.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on July 29, 2007, 02:59:18 PM
I've had my XBOX for a week now. I am very careful with it, I let it rest every once in a while and put it in a cool place so it doesn't overheat. Of course, I also bought the extended warranty just in case it kicks the bucket.
What else do I need to know in order to keep my console safe?
Post by: capamerica on July 29, 2007, 05:16:09 PM
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So, you're going to reward the company that gives you crap customer service by buying another system from them? weak. (Though I guess it would be gamestop getting the money. . .)
Rather support MS with their crappy customer services but other wise solid Xbox360 then support Sony with their over price piece of junk PS3.
One of the pluses I did get from opening up my 360 is that I made this really cool case mod which will look pretty damn cool on my next 360.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 29, 2007, 05:22:49 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 29, 2007, 05:23:46 PM
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Of course, just as I get one the price drop happens (I can't complain, though, since I did get mine used for cheap).
I've had my XBOX for a week now. I am very careful with it, I let it rest every once in a while and put it in a cool place so it doesn't overheat. Of course, I also bought the extended warranty just in case it kicks the bucket.
What else do I need to know in order to keep my console safe?
Get one of those fan stands, they should help alot.
Post by: Mashiro on July 29, 2007, 05:24:05 PM
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So, you're going to reward the company that gives you crap customer service by buying another system from them? weak. (Though I guess it would be gamestop getting the money. . .)
Rather support MS with their crappy customer services but other wise solid Xbox360 then support Sony with their over price piece of junk PS3.
One of the pluses I did get from opening up my 360 is that I made this really cool case mod which will look pretty damn cool on my next 360.
Or you can support neither like me =P
(If I had to choose the lesser of two evils I would have to go with Sony though).
Post by: Infernal Monkey on July 29, 2007, 11:45:30 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on July 30, 2007, 08:50:07 AM
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So, you're going to reward the company that gives you crap customer service by buying another system from them? weak. (Though I guess it would be gamestop getting the money. . .)
Rather support MS with their crappy customer services but other wise solid Xbox360 then support Sony with their over price piece of junk PS3.
One of the pluses I did get from opening up my 360 is that I made this really cool case mod which will look pretty damn cool on my next 360.
Don't you mean support MS with their crappy customer service and piece of junk console then support the more expensive PS3? The PS3 seems to be well made and the 360 seems to be the obvious piece of junk. I can understand not wanting to pay the extra money for ps3 and bluray but the piece of junk here is the 360 and its design flaws as well as horrible customer service.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 30, 2007, 08:53:00 AM
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So, you're going to reward the company that gives you crap customer service by buying another system from them? weak. (Though I guess it would be gamestop getting the money. . .)
Rather support MS with their crappy customer services but other wise solid Xbox360 then support Sony with their over price piece of junk PS3.
One of the pluses I did get from opening up my 360 is that I made this really cool case mod which will look pretty damn cool on my next 360.
Don't you mean support MS with their crappy customer service and piece of junk console then support the more expensive PS3? The PS3 seems to be well made and the 360 seems to be the obvious piece of junk. I can understand not wanting to pay the extra money for ps3 and bluray but the piece of junk here is the 360 and its design flaws as well as horrible customer service.
Must be way I got superb customer service and have really enjoyed my 360.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 30, 2007, 08:59:02 AM
decent quality/overpriced VS. poor quality/decently-priced
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 30, 2007, 09:20:23 AM
I could see a holiday price cut for the Wii around November just before black friday. It would be small cut to like $225 or something.
Post by: that Baby guy on July 30, 2007, 09:24:47 AM
Post by: capamerica on July 30, 2007, 09:32:52 AM
Right now MS is getting all the heat for the ring of death, and you don't hear anything about PS3s failing unless you really dig. Seems like Sony fans are more willing to give Sony some slack when it comes to dead systems. But you have to keep in mind the Xbox360 has also been out for over a year and has nearly 3x as many systems in people's homes so of course its going to look worst for MS since their are more of them out there. Sony on the other hand has fewer units out and they haven't been used nearly as much as the 360 has. Wait a year, I'll be more then willing to bet that once those PS3s turn a year old tons of problems will start happening.
And for me Sony is notorious for poorly made products, I've gone through 3 PS2s, 2 PSPs, 2 Sony VCRs, a Sony CD player and 2 Sony TVs all within the last 6 or 7 years. Sony makes over priced sh!t in my book.
With the exception of returning my Xbox360 to be fixed, MS customer support for the Xbox and Xbox360 has been top notch. Far FAR better then anything I have had to deal with at Sony.
The 360 is far from a piece of junk, there is one little problem with a batch of 360s that is way over exaggerated and thats all. Other wise its a very solid system with a great controller, excellent online system, a great game library and sweet media center features. I can't think of any thing in the 360 that isn't superior to the PS3. Don't even bring up Blu-Ray cause I don't buy disc based media anymore, I've moved over to digitally distributed content (iTunes).
The PS3 is pretty much an all out joke, and unless Sony pulls their sh!t together it will go down in Videogame history as the system that killed Sony.
Post by: TrueNerd on July 30, 2007, 09:52:47 AM
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The 360 is far from a piece of junk, there is one little problem with a batch of 360s that is way over exaggerated and thats all. Other wise its a very solid system with a great controller, excellent online system, a great game library and sweet media center features.
It isn't one little problem with a batch of 360's. People looking into it think that it is a problem with all 360's that have been released so far. Repair shops have REFUSED BUSINESS because the problem is too widespread. If it was just a batch ms wouldn't have a 3 year warranty that only covers this one specific problem. It seems like an obvious design flaw and the reason you hear more about it is because it happens far more. I know this forum is even full of people like you and me who have seen the ring. Check out the ms true colors thread since everybody talked about it there already.
Back on topic. I heard rumors of them dropping the core system from some leaked Best Buy documents around the time of the price drop. I think it is a great idea because the core system is pretty worthless especially considering that you have to spend another 50 bucks anyway just to save games with a memory card.
Post by: couchmonkey on July 31, 2007, 05:27:26 AM
I also recall when Matt C. at IGN became the last editor to have his 360 break. In the long run, PS3 may turn out to be just as unreliable (and I have also had a lot of problems with Sony electronics) but at this point in time the 360 seems to be worse off.
Maybe I should go lurk some Sony forums to see if they suggest otherwise!
Post by: UERD on July 31, 2007, 05:34:42 AM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on July 31, 2007, 06:04:40 AM
Post by: Ceric on July 31, 2007, 06:24:24 AM
Anyways a 360 price drop would be a good thing because it does have a good amount of games going for it. Its just the perception that you are in fact buying a ticking time bomb which is still hurting its wider adoption. On the Wii, Nintendo would have to be smoking something if they were to drop the price. I rather see them release a new version of the DS to combat a competitors price drop. Why you may ask. The Wii is still selling like hotcakes. The DS, comparitively speaking, is not in the States at least. Their really isn't any good reason to drop its price. Now bring out a new DS and you can probably sell it at a better than 1:1 ratio with the priced drop consoles sales. Still be making more money per sale then the competitors. Even software side.
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 31, 2007, 07:31:58 AM
A new DS model isn't necessary, because although it isn't sell as strong in the US, it is still selling and has great market penetration. Eventually you slow down sells, because you can't find any more market.
As for you ticking time bomb analogy. I wonder how many casual gamers even really perceive the 360 having a serious defect problem? I would bet not many. It is the hardcore gamer that is reading up and really knows about the issues, and they seem to have adopted the 360 despite the problems.
The only thing that has bothered me about Microsoft and the 360's defect is that MS has known about the issue and refuses to address it properly. An extended warranty is not addressing it properly. When the elite came out it should have been with the issue resolved and Microsoft should have stated the Elite will not have the same problem. In fact the Elite should not have come out until the new chipset was ready so that people knew the Elite was the fix to the problem.
Post by: TrueNerd on July 31, 2007, 07:34:45 AM
Post by: vudu on July 31, 2007, 07:51:23 AM
Nintendo DS - 561,000
Wii - 381,800
PlayStation 2 - 270,000
PlayStation Portable - 230,100
Xbox 360 - 198,400
Game Boy Advance - 113,000
PlayStation 3 - 98,500
Post by: Ceric on July 31, 2007, 08:57:56 AM
The DS, which I do love, was not neccessarily designed for the larger hands and poor eyesight of an average North American Adult. I large market and one Nintendo is trying to crack. Their is already a SKU available for the smaller hand Average Asian and Young adult, the Lite. It would make sense to couple a larger, more ergonomic DS as such titles as Vision training and Brain Age 2 are released. Maybe even develop an e-Book program for it, something that would be appealing to an older demographic if executed well. I'm pretty much arguing while stroke a flame on a steam stack ready to pop when you can generate more power from one that has a little head room?
Its been a longish day so pardon my anologies and spelling
Edit: Just Rechecked The DS did finally overcome the Gamecube's LTD sales in June. Wasn't the DS launched here first or am I mistaken.
Post by: Kairon on July 31, 2007, 10:05:57 AM
The Core drops $20 to $279.
The Premium drops $50 to $349.
The Elite drops $30 to $449.
Is this a Sony-sized mistake, or does MS have some wiggle room?
Post by: TrueNerd on July 31, 2007, 10:46:15 AM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on July 31, 2007, 10:54:29 AM
Post by: Mashiro on July 31, 2007, 10:56:48 AM
Post by: Kairon on July 31, 2007, 10:58:23 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 31, 2007, 10:58:31 AM
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So check it...
The Core drops $20 to $279.
The Premium drops $50 to $349.
The Elite drops $30 to $449.
Is this a Sony-sized mistake, or does MS have some wiggle room?
What did I tell yah, I just had a feeling the Elite would drop to $449.99 (aka 450). I don't see how this can be a mistake to be honest, the system still is selling decently, maybe not great but nowhere near as bad as PS3.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 31, 2007, 06:49:48 PM
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Why have a price drop at all when your competition is $600? Seriously.
Because you realized your actual competition is 250$?
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Why have a price drop at all when your competition is $600? Seriously.
Because you realized your actual competition is 250$?
I don't think Wii is competing for secondary console
I think we just made a tag-team zinger but I'm not sure
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 01, 2007, 02:06:31 AM
If they could have brought the Xbox Core system to be the same price as the Wii that would have been a huge blow to Nintendo.
$249.99 for the Wii or for the "amazing" Xbox 360? Sure in reality you would still have to buy either a hard drive or memory card to bring it back up to over $300.00 but it is the appearance of quality that is important.
Then if the Premium was discounted $30 instead of fifty. It would have basically been the same price structure. Buy it for $100.00 more for the Hard Drive basically. Which is retail price.
Finally a $25 dollar price break on the Elite would have looked a little better, but to me the Elite just doesn't seem to excite me.
Oh well Microsoft...I guess you are trying to gather new interest for your system.
Post by: UERD on August 01, 2007, 02:16:34 AM
I doubt that people buy Wii based primarily on cost. Anyways, MS has Halo 3 to tide them over through the holiday season, and if the Wii really is a problem, they may do a price cut near the beginning of next year. Otherwise, they're pretty much set in the short run for a comfortable second or a close first.
Post by: Ceric on August 01, 2007, 03:00:14 AM
Now the funny part of all this is when you combine the Japan and US numbers the Wii has already surpassed the 360. Though I'm sure that worldwide the Wii still needs to do a little catch up because Europe's numbers can't be nearly as skewed.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 01, 2007, 03:32:27 AM
The tiny drop on the core is really interesting. At $280 vs. $350, anyone who knows what they're getting will buy the Premium. What's more, the Core already sells poorly, from what I've heard, so it needed the price drop the most. Not to mention that it's still more expensive than a Wii, without even thinking about a game or a memory card. I think one of two things is going on:
1. MS is trying REALLY hard to be profitable and the Core doesn't have that much wiggle-room in terms of price.
2. MS is planning to phase the Core out.
Overall it goes to show that Microsoft is still very focused on Playstation. If it wanted to achieve any kind of mainstream success, it needed at least a $50 price drop on Core, and preferably a $100 drop across the board. Instead it dropped the price on everything just enough to keep a comfy lead on PS3 while minimizing losses.
Post by: Louieturkey on August 01, 2007, 06:07:42 AM
Post by: matt oz on August 02, 2007, 11:46:12 AM
Does any version of the 360 have built-in WiFi?
I'd ask on an XBox board somewhere, but I'd probably be called a Sony fanboy for asking a question.
Post by: Kairon on August 02, 2007, 11:58:02 AM
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No. That'll cost you $99 extra.
That's what I thought...
So how is the Elite different from the Premium, besides the extra 100GB? After the price drop, it's gonna be $100 more. What's the point of it then?
If the DS was wifi enabled out of the box nearly 3 years ago, why isn't the 360?
I'm actually a little surprised that Nintendo has a technology feature that Microsoft doesn't.
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No. That'll cost you $99 extra.
That's what I thought...
So how is the Elite different from the Premium, besides the extra 100GB? After the price drop, it's gonna be $100 more. What's the point of it then?
If the DS was wifi enabled out of the box nearly 3 years ago, why isn't the 360?
I'm actually a little surprised that Nintendo has a technology feature that Microsoft doesn't.
Elite:
120GB HD
Black
HDMI Compatibility (the biggest addition)
That is about it.
Post by: Kairon on August 04, 2007, 08:47:14 PM
Joystiq reports.
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Post by: Kairon on August 05, 2007, 12:47:59 PM
Edit: actually, it was new heatsinks, not fans.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 05, 2007, 01:20:35 PM
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Ah... and what if they're bundling in Rockstar's Table Tennis?
Joystiq reports.
Is this MS attempt at taking a little wind out of Nintendo's sails? Since R*TT is supposed to be coming to Wii pretty soon, is this them attempting to make it seem alot less exciting.
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Ah... and what if they're bundling in Rockstar's Table Tennis?
Joystiq reports.
Is this MS attempt at taking a little wind out of Nintendo's sails? Since R*TT is supposed to be coming to Wii pretty soon, is this them attempting to make it seem alot less exciting.
I didn't realize Rockstar Table Tennis was that exciting in the first place?
Post by: Kairon on August 05, 2007, 01:44:17 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 10, 2007, 09:02:44 AM
1) Determined the 360 was poorly thermally designed in order to fit all the junk into its final form factor and reduce noise.
2) Looked at a "fixed" 360 and finds nothing had been done to remedy the thermal issues. What the hell was "fixed" anyway? A small dog?
Looks like MS designed and tested the 360 for IT-grade air-conditioned environments only. Great going, geniuses!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 10, 2007, 12:04:32 PM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 10, 2007, 12:09:18 PM
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Located at front end is the graphics LSI heat sink. At the back is the microprocessor heat sink equipped with a heat pipe.
They show this image as evidence. That heatsink seems fitting. I mean, the fan duct is right in front of it, plus the heatsink itself isn't that small.
I think the problem comes from the thermal paste problem others have suggested, but that's just me.
Post by: UERD on August 10, 2007, 12:09:59 PM
INEXCUSABLE.
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That heatsink seems fitting. I mean, the fan duct is right in front of it, plus the heatsink itself isn't that small.
The heatsink takes up a large area, but the fins are not very tall- ultimately, it's the surface area of the fins and the airflow rate that really matter. And the DVD drive, which generates a lot of heat by itself (although not as much as that of the GPU) is touching (or at least very close) to the top of that heatsink, which means that the heatsink has to cope with heat being discharged both from the graphics unit and from the drive.
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"We'll sell you this great sports car! Unfortunately, if you don't want the engine to overheat and explode after driving the car for a couple of minutes, you have to go to a third-party mechanic and get the tiny radiator we installed replaced with a bigger one!"
INEXCUSABLE.
Except you should always get an extra cooling fan just to be on the safe side because anything can go wrong and the investment is worth the cost, that is why I have them for ALL my systems. Like a new car your system requires extra care (such as adding a new fan to be on the safe side) to keep it in that condition. So you phail! INEXCUSABLE.
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Buy an external cooling system, tuh duh a cooler system!
You've just increased the price of an expensive console.
INEXCUSABLE.
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Buy an external cooling system, tuh duh a cooler system!
You've just increased the price of an expensive console.
INEXCUSABLE.
Expense is relative. Inquirer is irrevelant, and you shall comply.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 10, 2007, 12:24:45 PM
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The heatsink takes up a large area, but the fins are not very tall- ultimately, it's the surface area of the fins and the airflow rate that really matter. And the DVD drive, which generates a lot of heat by itself (although not as much as that of the GPU) is touching (or at least very close) to the top of that heatsink, which means that the heatsink has to cope with heat being discharged both from the graphics unit and from the drive.
True, but it's the GPU, and not many video cards have tall heatsinks. Many don't even cover all the card.
You do have a point about the drive being so close. But still, it's The Inquirer. They just publish total bull**** too often for me to trust them.
Post by: UERD on August 10, 2007, 12:27:12 PM
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Except you should always get an extra cooling fan just to be on the safe side, that is why I have them for ALL my systems. So you phail.
My Gamecube has done just fine without an external fan, even when I've left it on for days at a time. None of the more than five computers that I or my family have used in the past five years have ever needed external cooling. Even the WiiConnect issue has gone away with the latest firmware update. So why it is so important, all of a sudden, for me to have to buy a cooling fan for a system? This is not by any means an old paradigm.
If Microsoft wanted to, they could have made a console with an intentionally inadequate cooling system and warned the user in the manual to buy a third-party cooling solution for proper operation. All indications are that they did not ever include such a warning. Plus, overheating damage results in a lot of wasted money and/or downtime while the problem is being fixed, especially if one of the chips has been cooked, and shortens the life of the other components as well.
So, in summary, to avoid incurring large losses by properly operating an electronic device exactly the way the instruction manual specifies, I'm not only supposed to, but also expected to spend my own money buying a third-party product that neither I nor anyone else has had any need for in the past (so I could not possibly have drawn on experience)? What about all the people who've never owned a console before? Are they supposed to psychically pick up on the fact that they're supposed to spend more money for a cooling station, even though nobody bothered to tell them?
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True, but it's the GPU, and not many video cards have tall heatsinks. Many don't even cover all the card.
That's a good point. Most gaming PCs have larger cases than the XBox 360, though, and the CPU/GPU are further apart.
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But still, it's The Inquirer.
They got the article from some Japanese magazine.
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They just publish total bull**** too often for me to trust them.
I thought that was the Register. My bad.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 10, 2007, 12:35:02 PM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 10, 2007, 12:41:56 PM
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That's a good point. Most gaming PCs have larger cases than the XBox 360, though, and the CPU/GPU are further apart.
Well, that shut me up.
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They got the article from some Japanese magazine.
Oh... I'll stop talking now.
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I thought that was the Register. My bad.
Wait, now I'm confused... One of them was publishing a lot of crap about the Intel Conroe dual-core chips. Maybe it was both... Both sites look alike.
Post by: UERD on August 10, 2007, 12:47:42 PM
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just because something may not have happened doesn't mean it isn't best to be on the safe side
So I should get rid of all my electronics because they might come alive one night and decide to murder me while I'm sleeping. Yes, it's never happened before, but it's best to be on the safe side.
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you have the more powerful (and in turn hotter) GPUs/processors etc in a confined space like a console.
Mhm. You don't hear about this problem with the PS3 or any of the gaming PCs that are being sold by big computer companies these days. Of course, that might be because there are no games on the PS3, nobody's ever bothered to try and find out.
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So once again you PHAIL. You have been terminated.
So, it's too much to ask for a company to make a product that isn't so obviously defective? I mean, yes, it's Microsoft, but at least Windows 98 didn't erase your hard drive or turn your computer into a flaming pile of ash every time it gave you a BSoD.
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Maybe it was both... Both sites look alike.
I think that's fair. I thought it was the Register when I clicked on it. Gratuitous use of bright red EVERYWHERE.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 10, 2007, 12:51:59 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 10, 2007, 01:09:31 PM
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I do want an XBox 360 eventually. But I won't get one until the price drops again, and I can be sure that it's not defective, and that I won't have to put up with anything like this.
I bought one of those nyko intercoolers and it broke the same day, it was way too brittle and I hated how it went on, my current one uses the USB port. My PS3 on the other hand uses the intercooler that snaps into the power connector (though it fits SOOOO nicely over my PS3).
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UERD's got everything right. Down to the very last shrunken head.
All except the parts where he is WRONG.
Post by: UERD on August 10, 2007, 02:05:54 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 10, 2007, 02:08:08 PM
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I love you too *hearts and bubbles*.
That is so nice, thanks.
Post by: Kairon on August 20, 2007, 05:52:47 PM
See Kotaku for the incriminating evidence.
Post by: BigJim on August 21, 2007, 04:49:03 AM
It's fairly predictable. They want a SKU that can one day reach $149 and compete with Wii in price. (good luck with that...)
Post by: UncleBob on August 21, 2007, 07:34:26 AM
Of course, they're a lot smaller and more form fitting now-a-days. You kids just don't appreciate what you've got.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 21, 2007, 07:37:06 AM
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GP is right... I've always had to use external cooling devices for my video game hardware.
Of course, they're a lot smaller and more form fitting now-a-days. You kids just don't appreciate what you've got.
LOL, what did you use to avoid the cartridge slot of doom the NES had?
Post by: Mashiro on August 21, 2007, 11:59:54 AM
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GP is right... I've always had to use external cooling devices for my video game hardware.
Of course, they're a lot smaller and more form fitting now-a-days. You kids just don't appreciate what you've got.
Best. Cooling. Device. Ever.
=D
No system should need an external cooling device to work btw. Just my two cents.
Post by: Kairon on August 21, 2007, 12:16:09 PM
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Sound like that's going to be the case.
It's fairly predictable. They want a SKU that can one day reach $149 and compete with Wii in price. (good luck with that...)
The "Arcade" is actually a very neat idea. It's no coincidence that it comes with 5 free games... that's the number of games in Wii Sports! And it finally includes a memory card to save games onto, AND it includes a wireless controller, according to the information.
There is no more "tard" pack, the arcade is a perfectly functional entry level system in everything but price now. Without any news of another price drop, I think we're looking at it resting at $280?
