Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on July 25, 2007, 05:39:14 PM
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=14099
Episode 62: Artsy Fartsy
Dave Perry's gonna be so pissed.
Jonny's on vacation this week, so we all picked up the slack to make up for his absence. And lo and behold, the show doesn't go five minutes before an argument breaks out. Luckily, we were able to cool down with some listener mail and a truckload of news.
For our feature this week, we go to task to discuss gaming's artistic merits in regard to recent comments made by Roger Ebert. It gets a little transcendental, but we try not to be too snobby.
Remember, if you enjoy RFN, feel free to subscribe and review us on iTunes, and make sure you digg the show at the link above. See ya next week, folks!
Credits:
This podcast was edited by Karl Castaneda.
Music for this episode of Radio Free Nintendo is used with permission from Jason Ricci & New Blood. You can also purchase their album directly from the iTunes Music Store
Post by: Ceric on July 26, 2007, 03:44:06 AM
Yeah, but E3 is a hardcore event not casual.
Cube was a good system especially if you were on a budget.
Also no demos and the like.
Yes. The thing is Nintendo is already the most proactive first party. Actual Metriod and Smash. I wouldn't put Mario in there. He is hardcore because he is an icon not because of his gameplay. As I said in another thread. Third Parties are sort of stuck on who to support.
I thought the licensing was much better now.
Thats because triple A game rarely come out of Sony and Microsoft.
Chicken and Egg.
To see the Sites and get the discounts.
Move to the East coast. Someplace like Gaylord Opryland Hotel.
Here in Nashville its cheaper to fly to Seatle then to Atlanta.
Dyack.
Things are just to crammed together now.
It is true. ESA needs to sort of go the opposite and have an independent show because they don't have the budget and really need the support.
I don't want GDC to turn into a new E3 because its for the developers to grow and develop.
Sandbag Jr.
Yes. I mean I'm sort of tired of the platforms. Though the Delfino dumps you off in locals to fight.
I wouldn't say they are really large except for the Bridge.
There are like 14 total "Shown."
No my question went unanswered. I'll never now.
I here Shining Force is really good.
Everyone sold more last month then May.
They are part of the Washed.
Its still pretty good.
Boo.
Yay.
Did you guys see the thread with the story from the ex-Rockstar employee.
Actually GTAIII not GTA. (Even though GTA was fun.)
I'm playing FF12 it looks really nice. Makes you wonder with games like that and those beautiful DS games.
I mean I just got a PS3 and I haven't played my Wii since Odin Sphere and FF12 came in. Once those are done I'll probably play it more. (I know PS2 games with a PS3 I get a lot out of its other functions.)
There can only be ONE. :P
Could you post the books name that BioShock is based off of please. (It sound interesting)
So by your definition Transformer the new movie is not art but Transformers: The Movie is art. (Hence all the kids that locked themselves in there room when Optimus Prime died.)
One of you died out there.
Are Comics consider art in general?
Where was the end talking?
Post by: Mashiro on July 26, 2007, 04:59:07 AM
GOD why bring up the hardcore discussion thing again. Windy you are right on with this discussion. Yeah Nintendo fans will put up with a LOT. How can you scoff at the N64 era? Windy is right! Come on Nintendo fans lived off of going from 1 first party game to the next. Yeah Nintendo had amazing first party titles but there were so few third party titles that everyone had to live off what Nintendo gave us which took a while to get.
Windy's discussion is dead on right, sorry other guys he's right. Also 3rd party games on SNES? They were contractual obligated to make for that system!
Thank you Windy for bringing that up lol. Windy I agree with your side of the argument.
Lol moving along . . .
Shunning independent developers, bad. Agreed.
LOL Mickey confirmed, awesome.
Yeah but that's good about the stages, those stage designs like the final destination style stage are the best stages to fight on =) IMHO.
<3 <3 <3 Kirbys Dream Course. Awesome game, very awesome.
LOL booo pokemon battle revolution, super yay for RE4! CAPCOM BRING RE5 TO WII DAMN IT.
Wait what? Pay to be black? . . . LOL interesting indeed.
Halo will ruin the universe and everyone shall only play Halo ::rolls eyes::.
God no not Killer 7 X_X.
Ah Prince of Persia <3 <3.
ZOMG SPOILER ALERT!!
Dig dig dig . . . good show.
Post by: ShyGuy on July 26, 2007, 05:20:43 AM
Can we get a list of triple A titles released on the 360 (not upcoming, released) I'd like to know what we are dealing with here.
Gears of War and..... what?
Post by: Ceric on July 26, 2007, 05:22:11 AM
QuoteHalo is the end of the world confirmed.
Halo will ruin the universe and everyone shall only play Halo ::rolls eyes::.
QuotePersonally could never get into the original games. I just didn't like them.
Ah Prince of Persia <3 <3.
QuoteCould really pay off in the scholarship department when going to college. I wonder how much I need to slip to be part Indian, female, and be directly related to an army vet?
Wait what? Pay to be black? . . . LOL interesting indeed.
QuoteSeconded.
Shunning independent developers, bad. Agreed.
Post by: Mashiro on July 26, 2007, 05:25:10 AM
Post by: Svevan on July 26, 2007, 06:13:31 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on July 26, 2007, 07:03:27 AM
Post by: vudu on July 26, 2007, 09:22:40 AM
QuoteI agree, but add Karl to the list.
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
I also agree that WIndy was right in the opening argument. Mike made we want to punch him.
Yeah, Nintendo has money. But that's not the only limiting resource that stops Nintendo from magically doubling in size over night. When companies grow too fast quality suffers, corporate's goals get diluted, and customers lose interest because the company's values change. Organic growth takes time and resources (not just money).
EDIT: As I listen more, I am really siding with Windy here. I love how he just laughs at Mike when he's rambling on about how Metroid, Mario and Smash Bros don't stack up to Halo 3 and Assassin's Creed. And then Mike has the gall to use the term "standard fare" when referring to Nintendo's lineup. You don't get much more standard fare than Generic Shooter #103 and GTA Clone #67. And I really doubt that Halo 3 or Assassin's Creed (or even GTA4, which Mike forgot to mention) will have 60 hour quests.
EDIT #2: Was Karl even alive during the NES and SNES days?
EDIT #3: Oh God, the hits keep coming!
Mike: One of the biggest games this holiday season is Assassin's Creed from [third-party developer] UbiSoft, which would never happen on a Nintendo system.
Windy: Except for Resident Evil 4.
Mike: Yeah, but that's like one game.
vudu: IIRC, Assassin's Creed is one game.
Post by: Mashiro on July 26, 2007, 09:26:21 AM
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Originally posted by: vuduQuoteI agree, but add Karl to the list.
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
I also agree that WIndy was right in the opening argument. Mike made we want to punch him.
Yeah, Nintendo has money. But that's not the only limiting resource that stops Nintendo from magically doubling in size over night. When companies grow too fast quality suffers, corporate's goals get diluted, and customers lose interest because the company's values change. Organic growth takes time and resources (not just money).
QFT. Well said.
Post by: Sarail on July 26, 2007, 12:08:48 PM
Overall, great podcast this time. The actual topic at hand was decent, but you guys have had much better things to talk about. I do think that some games can be considered an art form, but not all.
Post by: Mashiro on July 26, 2007, 12:35:58 PM
Post by: xaviorq8 on July 26, 2007, 02:01:52 PM
Post by: Caliban on July 26, 2007, 03:41:17 PM
Post by: TrueNerd on July 27, 2007, 05:47:21 PM
Also, (I'm nitpicking here) Metroid Prime 2 didn't sell that well because Nintendo sent it out to die. They released it in between a little game called Halo 2 and, perhaps more significantly, the DS, which was the current object of many a Nintendo fan's affection, not to mention the marketing the DS stole away from Echoes.
Post by: Ceric on July 28, 2007, 02:50:19 AM
Post by: Redgripmonkey on July 28, 2007, 08:30:16 AM
I have a question for Nintendo...WHY DONT YOU COUNTER THE HALO SERIES...so far what I've seen from peers is, Halo = decent multiplayer shooter game(looks back at N64 Golden Eye..Where did you go!). All Nintendo has to do is release a shooter game with minimum story line campain mode and focus more on Multiplayer (Levels, Weapons, Modes, Chars) and BOOM...Half of those who own a Wii and are waiting for Halo 3 wont need to go buy a 360.
Post by: Mashiro on July 28, 2007, 08:40:59 AM
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Originally posted by: Redgripmonkey
"People are waiting to buy an X-Box 360 for Halo 3"
I have a question for Nintendo...WHY DONT YOU COUNTER THE HALO SERIES...so far what I've seen from peers is, Halo = decent multiplayer shooter game(looks back at N64 Golden Eye..Where did you go!). All Nintendo has to do is release a shooter game with minimum story line campain mode and focus more on Multiplayer (Levels, Weapons, Modes, Chars) and BOOM...Half of those who own a Wii and are waiting for Halo 3 wont need to go buy a 360.
Well the easy answer is, Nintendo's never really done a FPS game in lines with Halo (Metroid is far more a FPA than FPS and it doesn't have the multiplayer that Halo players look for). Even looking back at GoldenEye, that was made by Rare.
If you want to know "where" goldeneye went, look no further than the Timesplitters franchise. Most of the key members behind Goldeneye went on to form Free Radical Design. Playing TimeSplitters: Future Perfect was loads of fun because it was very reminiscent of goldeneye while being challenging, funny and unique in it's own right.
I just don't see Nintendo really being the ones to make that "Halo"-esk game that some people want on the Wii.
Post by: TrueNerd on July 28, 2007, 12:59:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
and Echoes wasn't as good as its predeccessor.
To be fair, nothing last generation was as good as Echoes' predecessor. And Echoes was still ridiculously awesome.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on July 28, 2007, 01:23:41 PM
QuoteSo you're saying Metroid Prime was the best game last generation?
Originally posted by: TrueNerd
To be fair, nothing last generation was as good as Echoes' predecessor. And Echoes was still ridiculously awesome.
lol.
Post by: Mashiro on July 28, 2007, 02:17:02 PM
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Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-RQuoteSo you're saying Metroid Prime was the best game last generation?
Originally posted by: TrueNerd
To be fair, nothing last generation was as good as Echoes' predecessor. And Echoes was still ridiculously awesome.
lol.
For Cube? Yeah Prime is well . . . I don't want to call it the best ONE of the best is for sure. RE4, WW and ED come to mind as some of my other contenders for best GC game last gen.
Post by: Kairon on July 29, 2007, 05:42:25 PM
...Besides, Nintendo already went 100% after hardcore gamers with the N64 and GC. Look where you guys led them.
... If there's anything I've learned as a Nintendo fanboi, it's that life isn't about winning. It's about having fun. It isn't about console wars or strongest hardware or being "hardcore" or being popular, it's about simply having FUN on your own terms, no hard feelings, no malice, simple, innocent, friendly, FUN. Nintendo's doing that, and it's giving me games that I'm sure I'll love, and I don't care if they're hardcore or not. Want an XBox 360? Go ahead, buy one. There's nothing wrong with that.
Geez, it's like everybody drank Ian juice or something.
...oh, you guys are talking about E3 now?
Hmm... you're right about the lack of smaller things at E3. /sad
Bah. Scrolling stage hater! A REAL Smash player can play on ANY stage!
I say "Zeebees!"
Didn't they revise upwards to 290? So it's really 230 huh? Oh well...
100,000+ per week is NORMAL for the DS in Japan...
Hurray Rockstar!!!!!! Hooray Rocksta on Wii!!!! Give us more! And new games too!
AND DON'T FORGET SPACE STATION SILICON VALLEY AND BODY HARVEST! Raaarrrgghhh!!!
...hmm... Well, I think you're underestimating the power of Halo 3. Really.
I still say that Svevan missing out on the art discussion is a darn shame.
Bioshock is connected to Ayn Rand? Oh god... I gotta... I don't have a... darn...darn.
Grrr. the time IS now! But anyways...
Oh boy, an hour podcast! *gasp!* *wheeze!*
Post by: Mashiro on July 29, 2007, 05:48:26 PM
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It isn't about console wars
I beg to differ, the SNES Genesis war was one of my favorite periods of gaming!
Post by: Ceric on July 30, 2007, 01:56:56 AM
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Originally posted by: MashiroQuote
It isn't about console wars
I beg to differ, the SNES Genesis war was one of my favorite periods of gaming!
That was one of my favorite time periods period. We were at the height of the Cola Wars and then we move on to the console war. To top that computers were transition into everyones life. It was a great time.
I will believe that the Wii is an "and" system when MS publishes a game on it. (Like the DS and the GBA.)
Post by: TrueNerd on July 30, 2007, 09:46:05 AM
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Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-RQuoteSo you're saying Metroid Prime was the best game last generation?
Originally posted by: TrueNerd
To be fair, nothing last generation was as good as Echoes' predecessor. And Echoes was still ridiculously awesome.
lol.
Yep!
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on July 30, 2007, 03:20:54 PM
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on July 31, 2007, 06:58:46 PM
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Originally posted by: vuduQuote
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
EDIT: As I listen more, I am really siding with Windy here. I love how he just laughs at Mike when he's rambling on about how Metroid, Mario and Smash Bros don't stack up to Halo 3 and Assassin's Creed. And then Mike has the gall to use the term "standard fare" when referring to Nintendo's lineup. You don't get much more standard fare than Generic Shooter #103 and GTA Clone #67. And I really doubt that Halo 3 or Assassin's Creed (or even GTA4, which Mike forgot to mention) will have 60 hour quests.
EDIT #2: Was Karl even alive during the NES and SNES days?
EDIT #3: Oh God, the hits keep coming!
Mike: One of the biggest games this holiday season is Assassin's Creed from [third-party developer] UbiSoft, which would never happen on a Nintendo system.
Windy: Except for Resident Evil 4.
Mike: Yeah, but that's like one game.
vudu: IIRC, Assassin's Creed is one game.
This is pretty much how I felt during the discussion. I largely disagree with Windy's point of view, but the other two had such feeble arguments that he came out sounding like a genius. Which he's not!
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on July 31, 2007, 07:04:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Bah. Scrolling stage hater! A REAL Smash player can play on ANY stage!
I say "Zeebees!"
AND DON'T FORGET SPACE STATION SILICON VALLEY AND BODY HARVEST! Raaarrrgghhh!!!
Quoted for truth.
Post by: Entroper on August 03, 2007, 10:17:20 PM
Windy, try and keep these guys in line next time.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 03, 2007, 10:29:03 PM
