Post by: Mashiro on July 14, 2007, 10:59:07 AM
The following is a transcript from the podcast (and if you want to take a listen just click here - 160kb sound clip):
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Matt: Yeah they didn't show it.
Bozon: They did not.
Matt: Plain and simple. ummm that means there's at least one more hardcore game . . .
Bozon: [slight laughter] That's true you're right. We do know at least one more (hardcore game).
Bozon: Yeah, so it is coming. We promise.
Matt: Alright.
Bozon: Yeah. Unless it gets canceled by Nintendo to make Wii Fit 2.
Matt: And if it does get canceled by Nintendo uhh it'll show up from another publisher at some point. Definitely.
Bozon: Oh no it... [Bozon cuts him off]
Matt: Oh sorry...that couldn't happen. . . yeah you can take what you want from that answer.
[Both laugh at one another, clearly they said more than they should have].
Interesting . . .
Edit: To add on to this, could this indeed be the legendary mystical Golden Sun for Wii game?
Afterall, this is a game made by Camelot Software Planning and was published by Nintnedo . . . maybe I am just wishfully thinking at this moment.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 14, 2007, 11:23:27 AM
Matt: Oh no it... [Matt cuts him off]
Bozon: Oh sorry...that couldn't happen. . . yeah you can take what you want from that answer."
Honestly, I don't see how this makes any sense at all...I can't think of any Nintendo games that were published under another company, except maybe Cubivore (which may not have been developed in-house, I can't remember...), making this a non-answer... =\
Post by: that Baby guy on July 14, 2007, 11:45:21 AM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on July 14, 2007, 03:51:22 PM
Killer Instinct? No... =)
Post by: willie1234 on July 14, 2007, 04:21:18 PM
what a bunch of sh*t. they're trying to act like insiders, but they've got nothing. don't bother giving it the clicks it doesn't deserve.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 14, 2007, 04:36:59 PM
*crosses fingers*
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Post by: Adrock on July 14, 2007, 08:01:12 PM
1. Kid Icarus
2. Mach Rider
3. Star Tropics
4. The Ice Climbers
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 14, 2007, 08:05:49 PM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
In order of likelihood:
1. Kid Icarus
2. Mach Rider
3. Star Tropics
4. The Ice Climbers
Never played Mach Rider. Anyway I hope it is Star Tropics though I will take a newly imagined Kid Icarus game though. Please Nintendo, no Ice Climbers!
Post by: Crimm on July 14, 2007, 09:02:39 PM
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Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R
How about Kid Icarus? They're putting Pit in Smash Bros, so it seems like interest may be on the rise.
Japan only. Just like Mother 3
Post by: Strell on July 15, 2007, 05:19:59 AM
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Originally posted by: willie1234
hey Matt, we're still waiting on halo for the ds....
what a bunch of sh*t. they're trying to act like insiders, but they've got nothing. don't bother giving it the clicks it doesn't deserve.
This man is right. Do not ignore this man. Why is this man being ignored?
Adrock - where the hell is Punch Out on your list? I'd say it has a stronger chance than anything, although Kid Icarus is a very, very close second.
Post by: The Omen on July 15, 2007, 05:55:02 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on July 15, 2007, 07:56:43 AM
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Originally posted by: The Omen
I would be stunned if it wasn't Kid Icarus.
Why would Nintendo let someone else publish Kid Icarus? That is their franchise with their characters.
Golden Sun is my best guess, if anything they are saying is true. But I highly doubt an ounce of what they are saying is true.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 15, 2007, 08:14:19 AM
As for Kid Icarus, I do think the game will pop up again somewhere down the line...
Post by: Ghisy on July 15, 2007, 08:32:12 AM
Now you can BE R.O.B. yourself, how awesome would that be?
Post by: that Baby guy on July 15, 2007, 09:27:03 AM
Remember, it has to be a franchise. That usually yields itself to mean that more than one game was made for it already, which means it probably isn't
Balloon Fight
CluClu Land
Gyromite
Mach Rider
What I think it could be?
Punch Out
Kid Icarus
StarTropics
Those Lololo or Lalala or whatever they're called games
What is on the line of being considered a franchise or a game? I think Ice Climbers are on that line, and so is Duck Hunt, though Ice Climbers is closer to being considered a franchise, IMO, from SSB:M.
Listening to that podcast, it sounds like Nintendo is not making this game in house, but rather, some publisher is making the game, something like StarFox Assault and Namco. It seems like the publisher could publish the game, but since it's a Nintendo franchise, Nintendo is not going to let go of those rights. Remember that we don't know the platform, either, so Rare could be involved in this if it is on the DS.
Now, Nintendo usually does this to buff third party relations or when there is a conflict over the rights. The only case where I think there could be conflict over the rights is anything that Rare makes, and the only franchise that Nintendo owns the entirety, or at least half of the rights of the IP, and not just the publishing rights, is Killer Instinct, since Rare has stated they can't make another KI game before, but most of their other games have sequels in the making. So my guess is that if it is a game Rare is known for, it could be Killer Instinct, but that's the only possibility there.
Namco has a pretty good relationship with Nintendo, so I don't see them being involved in this development. Besides, they got Donkey Konga and StarFox: Assualt last gen.
Capcom has been pretty poor to Nintendo until very recently, with the RE4 and RE:UC. I could see licensing one of their dead franchises to Capcom, but the problem is that out of the games we're looking at, I don't think Capcom would want to touch any of them with a 39 and 1/2 foot pole.
EA is another option. The game here would probably be Punch Out, I don't think Nintendo would let them at anything else. I don't think this would happen, as EA supports the Wii already, because they're smart enough to see that it is where the money is.
Square-Enix is who I think is developing the game. I could see Kid Icarus with a few more RPG elements. I can see StarTropics the same way, too. They've been supporting Nintendo a whole lot, right out of the gate, and before the Wii proved itself. Could it be because of talks with SE about an older franchise or two? Or, perhaps Super Mario RPG is considered a franchise, and we might just see an actual sequel to that? I doubt the second one, though. It depends on what those IGN guys consider a franchise, as well as what they consider to be dead. Although you have to think, we haven't seen Super Mario RPG on the VC, yet it's one of the titles we've known about for the longest time. On top of that, Nintendo would have had to collaborate with SE on that one, since they both own rights to the insides of that one. Maybe getting the title on the VC had something to do with forming their agreement on the game?
Retro might be looking for a new game. Perhaps they'll take Kid Icarus, perhaps not. I think they'd rather make their own IP, though.
Like I said, licensing out the title might account for that slip-up they made about it being published if Nintendo wanted to cancel it.
Ideally, I'd like to see a DS KI by Rare, a HAL Ice Climbers, a Game Freak/APE/whatever they call themselves now StarTropics, a Nintendo Duck Hunt, an SE SMRPG, an Independent Lololo game, Pit in Soul Calibur Legends, followed by a Kid Icarus game from anyone at all, and Retro should take a look at Punch Out.
I think those are pretty good match-ups for games. The actual Kid Icarus game is a toughie, though. It could be so many different styles of gameplay, it's hard to think about, honestly. It could be an FPS, FPA, Third Person hack-n-slash similar to God of War, but without the boobs and guts, and an RPG. It could also be based on exploration or flying, too. There's too many possibilities to try to match these things up with who would be ideal for it.
Post by: Strell on July 15, 2007, 09:44:38 AM
No?
Post by: that Baby guy on July 15, 2007, 09:48:48 AM
Edit: It is part of the Eggerland series, which is owned by HAL. Eggerland has had games on the MSX also, and stars Lala too, who also makes a cameo in Kirby as Lalala.
Post by: Mashiro on July 15, 2007, 01:43:38 PM
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Or, perhaps Super Mario RPG is considered a franchise, and we might just see an actual sequel to that? I doubt the second one, though.
You know, out of all the Mario RPG based games, that was the only one I played and I freaking loved it. It was actually the first RPG I ever purchased for a system, such fond memories of that game.
To this day I think Geno has to be the coolest character who has the origin of just being a childs toy haha.
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on July 15, 2007, 02:34:54 PM
Post by: Mashiro on July 15, 2007, 02:39:38 PM
However here is a breakdown from wikipedia:
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StarTropics is a game released by Nintendo in 1990 for the Nintendo Entertainment System. Unlike most of Nintendo's games, it was never released or intended to be released in Japan. It was released only in North America and Europe, although designed by Japanese designers living in the United States, written and directed by Genyo Takeda of Nintendo Integrated Research & Development (also the creators of such games as the arcade and home console versions of Super Punch-Out!! and Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!).
As of June 2007 there has been no indication StarTropics will be released for the Wii Virtual Console.
StarTropics was followed by a sequel titled Zoda's Revenge: StarTropics II, in 1994.
StarTropics is played from a 2D top-down perspective, similar to The Legend of Zelda (in the "dungeon" areas) and various RPGs on the NES (town/overworld areas). The game is divided into a series of chapters through which the story progresses. In each chapter, Mike initially walks around towns or other areas, talking to NPCs and obtaining information. After speaking to the required people, Mike will often then travel to a cave or other underground area. It is here that the game switches mechanics. The view is much more zoomed-in, with Mike traveling through rooms that are (usually) one screen big. He initially attacks enemies with a yo-yo, which has a short range. He can accumulate additional weapons in these areas, such as baseball bats, baseballs (also called horsehides), shooting stars, laser guns and more. He has a life meter which is made of a maximum of 22 hearts, similar to that of Link's. This meter can be expanded by finding Big Hearts (which are essentially the same as Heart Containers in Zelda). Mike has three lives and must restart from the beginning of a dungeon area if he loses them all. There are dozens of different enemies within the game and some instant-kill traps, such as platforms that sink into the ubiquitous water and giant bowling balls. Upon reaching the end of the dungeon area, Mike will usually fight a large boss character, which often requires a unique strategy to defeat. There is a point system in the game which, unlike most games, does not reward the player with more points for performance, but rather awards the same number of points after an area is completed. The points do not appear to serve any purpose in the game.
Edit: also this was pretty cleaver of the developers:
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A unique aspect of StarTropics was a saga involving a piece of paper, resembling parchment, that came packaged with the game. Written on it was a letter from Dr. Jones and was addressed to Mike, asking him to visit him at his laboratory on C-Island. It was as if the actual player had intercepted the message and was being invited indirectly to play the game. In later parts of the game, Mike receives an enigmatic message from his uncle through a third-party.
"Evil aliens from a distant planet... tell Mike to dip my letter in water."
Even for a player who owned an original copy and thus, was more likely to have the letter, it was unusual for a game to refer to a physical object that would otherwise just be a novelty. This prompted the player to think that Dr. Jones might be referring to an object within the game. To add to the confusion of the puzzle, putting this paper under water might damage it. Regardless, the correct course of action was to dip the physical piece of paper in water. It revealed a secret message from Dr. Jones and the number "747" that must be used in the game in order to advance.
Since many used video game retailers sell their NES games without a box or manual, it is difficult to find a copy of StarTropics with the original letter, requiring the use of online game manuals or online walkthroughs to complete this part of the game.
After completing the game a slideshow of events from the game is shown, including the letter being dipped in water and the number "747" visible on it.
Post by: that Baby guy on July 15, 2007, 02:46:44 PM
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Originally posted by: TVman
Lololo and Lalala were bosses in Kirby's Dream Land for the GB.
And bosses in Kirby's Super Star for the SNES. HAL must have been fond of them.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 15, 2007, 02:48:25 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 15, 2007, 02:49:30 PM
"And bosses in Kirby's Super Star for the SNES. HAL must have been fond of them."
That's okay, Ninty paid them back by making Kirby an enemy in Link's Awakening... ='D
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 15, 2007, 02:52:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
It's too bad the controls are pretty assy...
"And bosses in Kirby's Super Star for the SNES. HAL must have been fond of them."
That's okay, Ninty paid them back by making Kirby an enemy in Link's Awakening... ='D
Yeah I forgot about the controls, but you can get used to them (Some of the jumping is difficult especially to single tile blocks). Regardless I found StarTropics to be a brilliant and unique title, that I really hope is re imagined for Wii.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 15, 2007, 03:03:42 PM
The chances of it being reborn are less than those Mr. Game & Watch getting his own 3D game... =3
Post by: that Baby guy on July 15, 2007, 03:21:06 PM
Honestly, I've never played them, I was just in the first grade when the second game was released, and I moved on to my SNES by then, too. However, reading about how the game was built, it looked to use the formula of Super Paper Mario, what with the chapters and all, but with the gameplay of The Legend of Zelda.
From what I recall, Nintendo Power always made a big deal about it, and the game did well enough to merit a sequel then. Unfortunately for the sequel, the NES was about dead in '94. Remember, this is two years before the 64 and the same year Donkey Kong Country was released. Had the game been a year or two earlier, it may have made a larger impact and the franchise wouldn't have been killed.
Essentially, I think a Kid Icarus game is coming. There is too much interest in Pit. Far too much interest than any other old franchise. However, past that, I think StarTropics would be the game that could make a very simple and intuitive transition into today's games, from what I've read. It's praise then, unfortunate release timing, gameplay and story ideas, as well as obscurity really would allow developers a great structure to follow, while granting amazing liberties, too.
Post by: nickmitch on July 15, 2007, 03:33:08 PM
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Originally posted by: TVman
Lololo and Lalala were bosses in Kirby's Dream Land for the GB.
And bosses in Kirby's Super Star for the SNES. HAL must have been fond of them.
Yeah, I thought of the GB game first 'cause it was sitting in my drawer. I promptly played it after making that post.
Post by: Mashiro on July 15, 2007, 03:42:20 PM
Overtime I think my younger sister ended up losing many of my games and I just never realized it. The tree I miss the most are Metroid II, Super Mario Land 2 and Kirby's Dreamland =(
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 15, 2007, 04:09:22 PM
Well, that or Kid Icarus. Either one of those two is what my money is on it being....
Post by: Ceric on July 15, 2007, 04:15:19 PM
Post by: Adrock on July 15, 2007, 04:49:30 PM
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Adrock - where the hell is Punch Out on your list? I'd say it has a stronger chance than anything, although Kid Icarus is a very, very close second.
I thought about Punch-Out, but figured Wii Sports Boxing kind of makes it less of a priority. Kid Icarus seems far more likely to me.
Post by: Galford on July 15, 2007, 06:07:36 PM
Most likely it's Kid Icarus, as the series is quickly becoming what Metroid was duing the N64 generation.
A distant third is Golden Sun, Nintendo just Monolith Soft, and so far they have no new announced games
for the Wii.
Post by: Khushrenada on July 15, 2007, 06:59:17 PM
Battle Clash and it's sequel Metal Combat: Falcon's Revenge.
Now obviously, this is obscure and most people may not even remember its existance. Nor do I know of any fans clamoring for its return and another sequel. But, we do know Nintendo is making a game to package with the gun grip they have made. So maybe the resurrected franchise is being resurrected for this reason.
Of course, the most obvious would be a new Duck Hunt game and that is what I'm going to guess this game is.
But still, it would be something if Nintendo brought back something that obscure. I'm sure it would cause quite a shock. Although, I wouldn't mind a new Yoshi Safari. Anyways, that's my thought on the matter.
Post by: Mashiro on July 15, 2007, 07:01:20 PM
Edit: I miss having a working super scope ::tears::
Post by: LuigiHann on July 15, 2007, 07:27:43 PM
A new one would be a great chance to bring back the Koopa Kids as well.
Post by: Shift Key on July 15, 2007, 07:52:36 PM
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Originally posted by: Khushrenada
Well, if you want a really obscure Nintedno franchise (and by franchise, I mean, two games in the series,) and has some reason for existance, perhaps one should look to the Super Scope.
Until they bring back the Super Scope (the real deal, none of this Zapper rubbish) they shouldn't touch any of those franchises.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 15, 2007, 08:10:49 PM
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Post by: Strell on July 16, 2007, 02:12:32 AM
Gumshoe mayhap? That could be amusing.
or HARDCORE BALLOON FIGHTER 2: THE BALLOONING
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on July 16, 2007, 02:32:59 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Yoshi's Safari is hardcore.
that game owns
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on July 16, 2007, 05:14:21 AM
Maybe the game was Excitebike, but then Nintendo found out about Nitrobike and decided to let Ubisoft have the spotlight.
Post by: EasyCure on July 16, 2007, 07:00:57 AM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
I was thinking Duck Hunt as well until the said "well there is one more hardcore game for Wii" bit. Unless this is like...EXTREME Duck hunt . . . word.
Edit: I miss having a working super scope ::tears::
XTREME DUCKHUNT
click on game D
Post by: Dirk Temporo on July 16, 2007, 09:00:45 AM
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Post by: IceCold on July 16, 2007, 02:30:26 PM
QuoteI would die for a Miyamoto detective game using the remote.. and it would be great for nongamers too!
Gumshoe mayhap? That could be amusing.
Post by: UERD on July 16, 2007, 02:45:27 PM
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click on game D
So, when is this game coming out on Wii Ware?
Post by: CrAsH ||N|| BuRn on July 16, 2007, 06:20:07 PM
I want them resurrected.On another note, I really loved Shadow Man for the 64, it was kinda freaky and mature in a good way.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 16, 2007, 06:22:40 PM
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Post by: Sarail on July 16, 2007, 07:28:29 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
All of Rare's properties are Rare's, sorry...
Except for Killer Instinct. That is still owned by Nintendo.
Post by: King of Twitch on July 16, 2007, 07:38:53 PM
